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00:24:46 <nakilon> https://i.redd.it/46fs3yad25g71.jpg
00:25:06 <b_jonas> I think I disliked multiocular o before it was cool
00:37:39 <keegan> that's even cooler than liking it before it was cool
00:40:26 <b_jonas> but I think it's not a specific hate for multiocular o, it's just a general hate for when people substitute the incorrect letter just because it's cool, including using metal umlauts or fake cyrillic
00:44:52 <fizzie> How about when people just drop diacritical marks assuming they can't be that important?
00:45:51 <b_jonas> fizzie: I don't mind that too much except in a few cases where there is an ambiguity
00:46:00 <b_jonas> Hungarian is great for this by the way
00:46:47 <b_jonas> like because of the vowel harmony, you can sometimes recover the distinction between o and ö from a suffix
00:47:37 <b_jonas> and you can usually guess between a and á and between e and é, or the distinction doesn't matter, though there are a few specific cases where they do matter and cause an ambiguity and you should keep the accent if the context is confusing
00:48:06 <b_jonas> I participate in quite some online chat in Hungarian where a lot of users (including me) drop the accents
00:48:07 <fizzie> I remember trying to find the most semantically disastrous pairing of words in Finnish distinguished only by a/ä or o/ö differences, but I don't think I came up with any particularly great examples. There's a lot of word pairs with entirely different meanings, but mostly they're just things where substituting the other word in any plausible sense just makes it sound like nonsense.
00:48:50 <fizzie> Although välittää 'to care' and valittaa 'to complain' maybe has some potential.
00:49:02 <fizzie> Maybe in a relationship setting.
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00:49:29 <b_jonas> fizzie: an example I find quite humorous is a certain ad that only shows a domain name "boresmez.hu", which could stand for either "bor és méz" or "bőr és mez". but you can't get this sort of thing if there's more context.
00:49:30 <keegan> https://gizmodo.com/a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two-people-puts-three-m-382026
00:50:14 <b_jonas> the majority of what actually cause problems in practice are ambiguities in noun suffixes, though there are also a few where the ambiguity is in the word root
00:52:05 <fizzie> keegan: Oh, that reminds me of the one that actually does regularly come up in IRC conversations, namely näin ("I saw") vs. nain (colloquialism for "I fucked"), especially when you're trying to say you saw someone you knew somewhere.
00:59:59 <keegan> that could be awkward, yes
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01:00:08 <b_jonas> fizzie: yeah, but there are so many words that are slang for sex that they always cause ambiguities. one I particularly hate is "make out" which can mean to percieve
01:00:45 <b_jonas> usually it's transitive when it means perceive and intransitive when it's about sex, but not always
01:09:50 <keegan> making out doesn't strictly mean sex, at least in american english
01:11:06 <keegan> but it is conceptually adjacent
01:11:34 <b_jonas> I think there were a few other English ambiguities similar to this, but I can't recall them right now
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05:15:13 <Melvar> I have written a binding to sendmsg(2)/recvmsg(2) in Haskell and found that the tests I then wrote did pass, so passing file descriptors over a unix socket with my binding works.
05:15:22 <Melvar> However, I then discoverd something *very annoying*.
05:16:59 <Melvar> If a stream socket is used, and one side sends a chunk with some fds, then if the other side receives this section of the message as two chunks, the fds will be attached to the *first* of them.
05:18:13 <Melvar> This is annoying because one might want to send a logical message as one chunk with fds, but have the message include a header that specifies how many fds should be expected (since the receiver must allocate memory to receive them in).
05:19:20 <Melvar> So this is not possible, since the receiver cannot receive the header before receiving the fds.
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05:34:02 <zzo38> Then you should have to expect a reply, I suppose
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05:46:33 <Melvar> Since this is because I want to play around with the wayland protocol, I’m looking what they actually do in their own C code, and, well, they buffer outbound messages so basically you can’t know in advance where in the stream the fds are attached at all. You just have to always expect up to 28 (that’s a #define in their code) and maintain a queue of them alongside reading messages from the
05:48:15 <shachaf> Wait, the Wayland protocol sends file descriptors over a stream socket?
05:49:17 <shachaf> Well, I guess the best thing to be said in favor of the Wayland protocol is that you're pretty much not allowed to implement it yourself anyway.
05:49:28 <shachaf> So it doesn't matter what nonsense they do.
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06:16:25 <Melvar> One of the things they’re used for is to avoid sending bulk data in-band. I think if you copy-paste something, the actual data never passes through the server, one client just sends an fd which the server then sends to another client who can then read the clipboard content from it.
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16:40:01 <river> hello esotericians
16:40:30 <nakilon> why?... https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%F0%92%80%B1
16:40:59 <river> thats so cool thanks for sharing
16:41:15 <nakilon> use it now as a variable identifier
16:44:13 <nakilon> https://www.reddit.com/r/Unicode/comments/5qa7e7/widestlongest_unicode_characters_list/
16:45:22 <nakilon> ̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺̺ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩ
16:46:29 <nakilon> https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+130B8#:~:text=Unicode%20Character%20%E2%80%9C%F0%93%82%B8%E2%80%9D%20(U,Egyptian%20Hieroglyph%20D052
16:47:06 <nakilon> omg that's all the alphabet I need 𓂸
16:47:56 <river> they're adding pregnant men emojis now
16:48:11 <river> https://emojipedia.org/unicode-14.0/
16:48:20 <river> every possible permutation and combination of emojis needs to be added
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16:51:50 <myname> my favourite unicode symbol is "invisible plus"
16:52:36 <river> invisible times separator and plus
16:53:07 <river> not to be confused with zero width joiner
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17:16:31 <nakilon> someone really should declare a unicode version without useless stuff
17:17:03 <nakilon> there is no need of storing images of pregnant men and shumere symbols on all my devices, I just don't want them
17:18:17 <fizzie> I don't know if you necessarily need a different Unicode version for that, you just need a font with less coverage.
17:18:55 <HackEso> 990) <fizzie> "May you live in INVISIBLE TIMES." --Old Chinese proverb. (It can look confusing when written with the proper Unicode.)
17:20:43 <Corbin> That's pretty nifty. It renews the hope of typesetting maths with Unicode alone.
17:22:34 <nakilon> I'm ok with ability to use the same application and font to be able to write text to each other using native alphabets of all existing languages on the earth
17:23:20 <nakilon> but pregnant men isn't a language, it's just a "random" image that I might not want to be inserted in my screen in random chats
17:25:38 <nakilon> I would limit color usage at all
17:26:18 <nakilon> to only maybe country flags and as a modifier to usual symbols to make is possible to type a red circle, green arrow, etc.
17:26:55 <Corbin> What's a "green arrow"? Doesn't sound like a language, just some random image~
17:27:31 <nakilon> apply styles in other ways
17:29:33 <Corbin> Or maybe Unicode's bigger than your individual needs and desires.
17:30:09 <nakilon> it's them who are pushing their personal needs and desires onto my screen
17:30:44 <nakilon> pushing their things into a standard
17:31:24 <nakilon> forcing my software download the pictures I don't want with every update
17:32:55 <keegan> aren't there bigger problems in the world
17:33:22 <keegan> are you also upset about all the flags of countries you don't like and all the symbols of religions you don't adhere to
17:33:23 <Corbin> That's a fallacy. No amount of improvement to Unicode will magically put food onto peoples' plates, for example.
17:33:29 <keegan> why shouldn't unicode be for you and only you
17:33:56 <Corbin> But yeah, basically, Unicode is an international diplomatic project too, not just an engineering project.
17:34:27 <nakilon> where did I say I'm "upset about the flags of countries I don't like"?
17:34:43 <keegan> you sound like the people who get angry because starbucks didn't write "merry christmas" on their coffee cup
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17:35:10 <nakilon> don't bring the politics in here
17:36:56 <Corbin> The position that there is "useless stuff" in Unicode is political.
17:37:58 <Corbin> Seriously! fizzie had an excellent summary of why in their first reply: You can customize your own display of Unicode in any way that you want, assuming you control your computer. You can choose whichever fonts you like, and you can configure your renderer to avoid wasting energy decoding "useless" code points.
17:38:36 <Corbin> Going beyond that, altering the shared standard itself, is quite political, even ignoring the geopolitics and diplomacy: You're trying to change policies which affect many people.
17:38:41 <nakilon> that's what the community projects are for
17:38:59 <nakilon> reject bad standards, adopting better standards
17:39:41 <nakilon> they are changing the policies that are affecting me
17:40:22 <nakilon> when my grandma bought a smartphone she didn't accept the policy of getting egyptian dickpics in SMS
17:41:31 <nakilon> lots of codepages were invented in lots of countries for their local needs and that's what unicode was supposed to solve by uniting the alphabets and the most basic symbols
17:42:00 <Corbin> Ambiguous "they" fallacy. The "they" who produce smartphone fonts (Apple, Google) are not the Unicode Consortium.
17:42:31 <nakilon> I didn't say apple and google did that
17:43:04 <nakilon> but they would be able to switch or provide an option to switch to a new standard without shit
17:44:49 <nakilon> 20:34:27 <nakilon> where did I say I'm "upset about the flags of countries I don't like"?
17:44:58 <nakilon> the question is still not answered
17:44:58 <esolangs> [[Heck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87093&oldid=87078 * PixelatedStarfish * (+62)
17:45:26 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * PixelatedStarfish * uploaded "[[File:Hing.png]]"
17:46:49 <keegan> it was a question not a statement
17:49:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * PixelatedStarfish * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Hing.png]]"
17:50:47 <nakilon> those who want more symbols can just "customize their own display of Unicode"
17:52:06 <b_jonas> the country flags in Unicode are seriously messed up, because the individual flags are not encoded directly, but through their ISO-3166-1 codes, and those codes can be reassigned to entirely unrelated countries, which means that if you encode a flag in unicode, it can be replaced by an entirely different flag later. The whole thing is so new that only like two codes got reassigned so far, and those were
17:52:12 <b_jonas> probably before the flags got encoded in unicode this way, but this is the kind of short-sited arrangement by people who don't care what happens after they leave their current job, because they won't be accountable.
17:52:43 <b_jonas> (Same as the people who ask for abolishing leap seconds, because it would make their job right now easier, and who cares what happens a hundred years from now. I hate those people.)
17:53:23 <b_jonas> And it looks like not two but three ISO-3166-1 country codes got reassigned so far.
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17:54:48 <b_jonas> The whole thing goes against the general idea that unicode code points should have a permanent meaning that isn't changed in the future. Was probably invented by Americans who don't realize how often countries change.
17:55:11 <b_jonas> Really trying to assign two-letter codes to countries was a disastrously stupid idea in first place.
17:55:15 <Corbin> Yeah, that's such a bogus situation. Somebody thought that they were being clever, but really they should have given an entire block over for country flags and left the top half unused for expansion.
17:56:33 <int-e> . o O ( What happens if we ever get more than 676 countries? Maybe at that point we'd be too busy fighting to worry about country codes)
17:56:42 <b_jonas> That's only an inventory for 676 codes, for a changing pool of about 200 countries.
17:57:10 <Melvar> Assuming you’re talking about flag emoji … technically the codepoints have fixed meaning: they are simply references to a separate standard (the one which assigns the two-letter codes).
17:57:32 <int-e> twist: 677 countries fighting over who doesn't get a two letter country code.
17:57:36 <nakilon> how often do you use unicode flags anyway? I see them in games and on websites, and browsers are perfectly fine with inserting small gif/png pictures for them, and even if you browser is textual it's fine to write the language as a text
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17:58:05 <b_jonas> int-e: nah, it's only at 678 countries. at 677 countries, one of them is Taiwan and they can't get one anyway.
17:58:48 <b_jonas> though in practice there are quite some of those codes reserved for things that aren't countries, or aren't countries anymore, but were in too recent past and can't be reassigned yet
17:59:07 <b_jonas> the stupidest part is that they also delete and reassign the corresonding top-level domain names
17:59:48 <b_jonas> I'm not talking about the ones that are reassigned, because nobody really used the west sahara TLD, but about the Yugoslavia ones that were in some use but then got deleted
17:59:57 <nakilon> I was falsely muted on this channel when people brought politics in and I wasn't doing that
17:59:57 <b_jonas> it's the ultimate way to break links
18:00:30 <orichalcumcosmon> b_jonas: there is a taiwan flag emoji tho? https://emojipedia.org/flag-taiwan/
18:01:14 <nakilon> or will you finally admit you muted me just because I'm Russian?
18:01:40 <nakilon> I won't be muted if I was American and just quoting the history of Indians
18:04:31 <nakilon> you -- users of this channel other than me -- were political; you were saying that this country is bad, this one is good, etc. -- I didn't say that, those were your words, your hate; and then you said a blatant lie that those were my words
18:05:21 <nakilon> and then muted me for a chat message a one page above YOUR hate messages, where I just quoted a historical fact
18:08:32 <Corbin> Just because you can't recognize when you pick political topics, does not mean that the topics weren't political.
18:09:51 <nakilon> sure, Yugoslavia and Taiwan sin't political, Russia is
18:10:55 <nakilon> you can't recognize when you apply double standards
18:11:09 <river> whats the deal with taiwan?
18:11:41 <river> nakilon: was this today you got muted?
18:12:40 <nakilon> but I never had an apology for the repetitive hate towards me by a small subset of local users
18:13:27 <river> i dont know what happened
18:13:39 <river> but my advice is forget about it
18:13:43 <river> it probably doesn't matter
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18:17:22 <river> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan this is annoying
18:17:28 <river> they just should sort it out
18:18:02 <fizzie> I agree, they should just sort out all problems, then we wouldn't have any problems.
18:18:21 <fizzie> The first rule of tautology club and all that.
18:18:25 <nakilon> I don't have a problem with them
18:18:33 <nakilon> they are thousands of kilometers away
18:20:38 <nakilon> I know a girl who studies a lot and learns Chinese to move to China
18:21:37 <nakilon> I mean mandarine or whatever it is, I have no clue
18:23:15 <b_jonas> river: nah, we're probably happier while nothing is "sorted out", because that's a euphemism for war
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18:46:12 <keegan> what would the country code for independent California be? .ca is already taken
18:52:47 <nakilon> Georgia also already exists
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19:01:10 <keegan> that's not a 2 letter country code
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19:02:37 <keegan> by the Central African Republic
19:03:40 <keegan> in fact C followed by any of ALIFORN are all taken
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19:17:08 <b_jonas> yes, because there are only 676 two-letter codes and some letters are rare
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19:43:52 <int-e> nakilon: Well, I'm sorry that you feel wronged.
19:44:57 <int-e> (It's hard to never be wrong.)
19:47:43 <river> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmfdeWd0RMk
19:47:46 <river> i linked this before
19:47:52 <river> but its good so i have linked it again
20:13:45 <int-e> Meh. The "joke" (buried in the middle of the video) is basing a system of measurements on 3 units all starting with c: c, the speed of light; cal, the calory, and C_4, the frequency of the middle C.
20:14:00 <int-e> As far as I can tell, the rest is a lecture on units of measurements.
20:16:04 <river> i thought that was funny
20:16:10 <river> sorry you didn't like it as much
20:17:15 <int-e> It's a cute idea but I resent the attempt to waste my time (I clicked around the video until I found the joke instead)
20:18:07 <fizzie> I was wasting time anyway, so I don't resent that bit, but I was left disappointed because I was expecting a pun.
20:18:20 <b_jonas> int-e: is that like the furlong fortnight wahtever the third was unit system?
20:18:30 <fizzie> The FFF system is mentioned in the video, yes.
20:18:45 <river> i never thought of it as wasting time on purpose
20:21:53 <int-e> river: it's not exactly the video author's fault; aiui, youtube monetizes videos based on the time people spend watching them
20:43:05 <HackEso> 482) <Phantom_Hoover> FFS, building a perpetual motion machine should not be this hard.
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21:38:03 <int-e> . o O ( The trick to making a perpetuum mobile is to just keep going. )
21:39:06 <river> you need a crank that never stops
21:39:40 <fizzie> "Isn't that what all the perpetual motion proponents are, cranks that never stop?"
21:40:30 <HackEso> 482) <Phantom_Hoover> FFS, building a perpetual motion machine should not be this hard.
21:41:38 <fizzie> There's a song about perpetual motion machine, but the lyrics are in Finnish, so I think you'll miss a lot of it, sorry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE7TOaTv3SI
21:41:44 <fizzie> The original is in Swedish, I believe.
21:42:28 <b_jonas> is it one of those infinite songs?
21:42:33 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_is_the_song_that_never_ends
21:42:49 <fizzie> No, it just describes a machine that produces electricity to keep itself going.
21:44:45 <fizzie> In Swedish, for reasons of fairness and equal time and all that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtua8rqCNC0
21:47:50 <fizzie> I did find an a cappella group doing a version in English at a live show in South Korea too, but...
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22:11:27 <nakilon> I just wanted to ask him if he's perpetual but he appears to be not _--
22:19:10 <fizzie> It'll have been that TCP connection thing we discussed the last time this happened.
22:19:43 <fizzie> Which I said it won't help to solve until I can teach the Befunge part to (a) persist the ignore list and (b) autojoin channels, which takes some :effort:.
22:19:48 <fizzie> Let's just fix it manually again.
22:19:58 <int-e> . o O ( optimistic TCP: the connection is half open )
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22:20:43 <fizzie> It dropped off already on Aug 4 and I didn't notice. :/
22:21:37 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
22:21:46 <int-e> fungot: what ircs you, my friend?
22:21:46 <fungot> int-e: s/ thins/ this/
22:23:12 <b_jonas> fungot, is the future always in motion?
22:23:12 <fungot> b_jonas: or is there some way to represent the fnord system and all local names are determined in the binary to install.
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22:55:33 <nakilon> I hate to do temporal workarounds and doing things in the unplanned order
22:55:45 <nakilon> so velik is currently waiting for when I finish making my monitoring thing
22:56:06 <nakilon> and it weights when google fix the bug on their side
22:58:07 <nakilon> and I have no idea when it will be fixed because their ticket shows up as "195636524[Details unavailable.]"
23:08:03 <fizzie> Tempted to look that up, but I couldn't comment even if I did, so it'd be pretty pointless.
23:31:36 <nakilon> what? you can look up internal google tickets?
23:35:02 <fizzie> Well, I work there, and most of the time bugs with numbers like that are viewable to all employees. Though that might well be one of the exceptions, if it's a customer issue and might contain some identifying details.
23:36:53 <nakilon> for how long you work there?
23:37:22 <fizzie> For a while now, since 2015.
23:41:54 <nakilon> that's cool; the Moscow office isn't for devs, only for client managers
23:48:46 <nakilon> what problems are you solving there?
23:49:11 <fizzie> Re offices, from what I've heard, the Helsinki office has like 12 people in it. And is just a few rented rooms in a building. Haven't even visited.
23:50:14 <fizzie> In terms of that, I've been keeping it on the level of "Android app development", that way I don't have to worry about what's public and what's not.
23:50:42 <fizzie> I think there's Cloud folks in our building somewhere though.
23:51:17 <fizzie> And Deepmind used to have two floors of it, they're the sexy and mysterious ones. Had it all locked down and everything.
23:52:08 <fizzie> There was a robotics lab or two in the floor plans in their bit.
23:52:42 <fizzie> (They've moved out now.)
23:56:17 <nakilon> have you seen a fancy 'g"-shaped chair?
23:57:45 <nakilon> there is one on the floor here where they do public meetups
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23:59:41 <oerjan> int-e: ok, i interpreted the previous girl genius wrong, but at least i can blame the initial lack of color.