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00:43:59 <fizzie> What's a computery guy?
00:45:23 <shachaf> https://youtube.com/watch?v=G9FGgwCQ22w
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00:55:30 <fizzie> Oh. No, it was back when I had a naming scheme from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
00:55:37 <fizzie> Colin, of course, is the security robot Ford meets and befriends (well, rewires) at the Guide headquarters in Mostly Harmless, named after the dog of a girl he used to know.
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00:59:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:Oerjan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87747&oldid=87732 * Oerjan * (+86) I think both of these are resolved, but I like to know when things were posted
01:01:43 <fizzie> (That was kind of scary.)
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08:25:46 <wib_jonas> I have used directory names of the name of the previous systems, yes. But also plain "old" or "bkp". Some files are categorized by year numbers, most importantly my photos. I also have a few photos taken by family, those are sorted by who took them instead.
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08:39:29 <hanif> last time i had a discussion on homoiconicity, i found https://users.sussex.ac.uk/~mfb21/publications/mp-slides/slides.pdf that formalised the notion a bit
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15:05:41 <Melvar> hanif: Thank you, that’s very interesting.
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16:05:22 <shachaf> int-e: You might enjoy https://toombler.itch.io/secure
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16:15:06 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * PixelatedStarfish * uploaded "[[File:Iamwhoiami.png]]"
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16:25:15 <fizzie> I got confused at 7/17.
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17:07:13 <int-e> shachaf: hmm. anti-sokoban
17:14:53 <esolangs> [[Do-if]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87785&oldid=87707 * Martsadas * (+90)
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17:23:22 <int-e> hmmmmmm. level 13.
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17:34:11 <int-e> shachaf: yeah, that was cute :)
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17:36:47 <int-e> Everything: I probably said too much already :P
17:37:28 <esolangs> [[Grue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87792&oldid=87791 * PixelatedStarfish * (+8) /* Syntax */
17:37:31 <Everything> int-e: ah, this is a puzzle yet to be solved
17:38:07 <esolangs> [[Grue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87793&oldid=87792 * PixelatedStarfish * (+6) /* Syntax */
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17:43:45 * Corbin wonders if PixelatedStarfish knows that grues are snakes
17:43:54 <esolangs> [[Grue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87795&oldid=87794 * PixelatedStarfish * (+15)
17:46:05 <int-e> They are? Isn't it too dark to figure that out?
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17:47:00 <riv> how do you know which level you are on?
17:49:38 <Corbin> It's just a bit of folklore, not an official fact. Unlike the preview button, which is both official and factual.
17:49:52 <int-e> riv: esc gets you to the level selection screen
17:50:03 <int-e> riv: (where the levels are numbered)
17:50:13 <riv> im stuck on 14
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18:07:52 <int-e> . o O ( only slightly gimped: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/invader.png )
18:29:26 <esolangs> [[Grue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87797&oldid=87796 * PixelatedStarfish * (+39) /* Hello World */
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19:10:43 <fizzie> It was fun. 15/17 took me far longer than it should've.
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19:13:40 <riv> i like how the witness changed game design so now "not telling the rules" is part of the challenge
19:14:14 <esolangs> [[Grue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87800&oldid=87799 * PixelatedStarfish * (+29) /* Syntax */
19:17:58 <fizzie> Heh, I already forgot what I did in 13. Oh, right, that.
19:18:17 <arseniiv> 13 seems impossible… I can’t see where one can stack three squares to stick and why there are two other squares
19:18:37 <arseniiv> maybe as an example?.. but for what
19:18:42 <int-e> arseniiv: it is possible, and I'm glad I'm not the only one to be puzzled by it
19:19:41 <fizzie> I don't know if you want spoilers, but gurer'f n cynpr jurer lbh pna fgvpx gur guerr phorf va na y sbezngvba jurer gurl trg fghpx.
19:19:53 <int-e> fizzie: 15 was a slight surprise... but a fair one, I thought
19:20:26 <riv> int-e, this sokoban game for example
19:20:30 <riv> but many other games too
19:20:42 <riv> arseniiv, 13 is possible but i cant do 14
19:20:45 <fizzie> Yeah, I think I got the idea what needs to be done pretty quick, but the execution took a while.
19:20:50 <int-e> riv: the "the witness" reference still confuses me.
19:21:11 <riv> int-e, in the game the witness you have to figure out the rules as you play - unlike most games you get told the rules
19:21:22 <int-e> oh you mean that game. okay, fine.
19:22:09 <fizzie> Is there something you can do post 17/17? It says the usual "press X to continue" but when I do I just get back to 17/17, and if I press X again in it it just says "...".
19:22:20 <fizzie> I mean, I guess it did say "the end" already, and I'm just overthinking it.
19:22:21 <int-e> I'm sure it wasn't the first game that made figuring out the rules part of the game. In a somewhat roundabout way that was the main point of Myst, for example.
19:22:40 <fizzie> It's just in the level select screen it doesn't turn from "[ ]" into the wider "[ ]" either.
19:22:42 <arseniiv> riv: will baba is you be amongst those games too? At first glance it doesn’t tell the rules straight too, but I think this is more of a formalist understanding for the case. This one tells almost nothing by contrast
19:22:51 <riv> no, baba is you is not like that in my opinion
19:22:58 <riv> the rules of the game are right there written out for you to see
19:24:23 <int-e> Heh, I played too much of it, really, but stopped at some point.
19:24:25 <arseniiv> riv: good, then our feelings probably mean something if they coincide!
19:25:38 <riv> i replayed earlier levels but it didn't help me figure out the one im stuck on
19:28:11 <int-e> riv: it's actually possible to find inspiration in an earlier level, I think
19:28:14 <zzo38> I have played "The Wit.nes" which I think is similar to Witness but I don't know. Although, still they don't tell you what is the rule of the game
19:30:42 <int-e> won't play it... but I like the main map, very reminiscent of the real thing. But there's game elements that won't be replicated... it's really quite essential that The Witness is a 3D game; it wouldn't be the same without perspective.
19:31:43 <int-e> riv: in any case I bet the solution for level 14 will be obvious in retrospect.
19:32:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Cythan]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87801&oldid=83354 * Cypooos * (+649) /* I don't think this is Turing complete */
19:40:11 <arseniiv> I reckon you need to close yourself in blocks? as the lone square can be moved otherwise…
19:46:20 <arseniiv> this seems unattainable as you’d seemingly need to pull blocks which is impossible
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20:13:15 <int-e> arseniiv: I wonder what a challenge could be for the final level... this position maybe? https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/osecure.png
20:24:44 <arseniiv> int-e: yeah I don’t easily see how to end up with this one
20:25:41 <arseniiv> mine had just one diagonal axis of symmetry
20:26:51 <arseniiv> and it in a sense solved itself out when I found you can just make four 3 × 1 walls, I didn’t see a clear path how to build them step by step
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20:40:05 <shachaf> fizzie: Me too! On 15/17, I mean.
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22:27:45 <zzo38> Although games without mentioning the rules can be good, and other variants, I mainly like the puzzle game where you can see all of the rules and all of the game state (this is why I added the inspection menu into Free Hero Mesh) and then you can try to figure out from that. Sam Shemitz had made puzzles with hidden objects as well as unusual consequences of the rules; my own puzzles use the latter but not the former.
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