00:01:16 <zzo38> For audio, I think analog wiring is good, although the recording and processing should usually be digital. But, audio should be a separate cable from the video, in my opinion, you can connect it independently
00:01:16 <Hooloovoo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_digital_interface is a thing I've heard of but never used.
00:01:29 <zzo38> I have heard of it too
00:02:14 <Hooloovoo> hmm, I don't see the advantage of analog audio over a simple digital transport like spidf
00:03:16 <zzo38> Apparently unlike HDMI, SDI has captions. (HDMI added all sorts of stuff but not captions. My own specification has captions in the IMIDI stream, which is a two-way signal, rather than the video, although at least it has captions)
00:04:23 <zzo38> It is one thing I dislike about HDMI. Even though they want to put everything at once, they don't have captions even though a composite video connection does.
00:05:56 <zzo38> (Captions are unimportant for use as a computer monitor, but for television, captions should be wanted)
00:07:27 <fizzie> One thing (that's maybe more of a software than a hardware issue) that weirds me out a little is, at least on my work laptop, all these video outputs that can send audio can't seem to be able to tell whether the other end can actually *do* anything with that audio, and show up as available audio outputs.
00:07:44 <fizzie> Quite often I end up sending audio to a monitor that has no speakers or headphone out or anything.
00:08:34 <fizzie> (I'm sure I could configure those to go away somehow.)
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00:25:44 <oerjan> <int-e> `? device <-- hum, have you been following Agora?
00:26:49 <oerjan> that wisdom is about as meaningful as the Agora Device.
00:26:51 <b_jonas> fizzie: isn't that normal? you want the applications and websites to not know whether you have audio, or else you'll have websites that won't work unless you turn up the audio of the ad. but don't worry, there's probably already such a feature for Android apps, and perhaps in a few years it will exist for websites too on mobile phones
00:27:20 <b_jonas> the website will even be able to query if the earphone is actually plugged into your ear or not
00:28:06 <fizzie> I think that's pretty much orthogonal.
00:29:54 <zzo38> Design the browser to not detect the audio volume (and the user can also specify redirection, e.g. to a file or to /dev/null or a filter), and the hardware doesn't let the software know if the audio is connected.
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00:32:06 <fizzie> If the goal is to browse the web and/or run an app without letting it know whether audio output is going somewhere, they way to do that is not to pretend that connected digital outputs that are technically capable of carrying audio are audio devices, it is to not tell the web and/or app about audio output devices and accept but discard any audio it tries to play.
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00:38:51 <zzo38> Well, for web apps, the browser should have options to configure it (like how I mentioned), for native programs, the operating system should have that functionality. Video cables should not be audio I think.
00:39:49 <zzo38> You should be allowed to select any program on your computer that you want to as a filter for any audio/video I/O. This way, you can also redirect it to/from a file, or use a codec that the application does not support, or just discard the data if that is what you want.
00:42:01 <zzo38> Some programs support such functionality for some things (e.g. Heirloom-mailx allows you to write attachments through a pipe filter instead of a file), but most programs don't.
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01:54:11 <zzo38> Is there a function in C to copy all remaining data from one stream to another? (It is also a function I wanted to use in PostScript, although I know PostScript has no such thing built in)
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02:48:40 <b_jonas> zzo38: I don't think so, but the C++ standard library has one
02:55:47 <zzo38> Is there such a function in GNU C?
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03:29:07 <b_jonas> fungot, is the Pokémon Ponyta related to M:tG's Nightmare?
03:46:28 <b_jonas> fungot, I have another question about Pokémon. What types is Metacarp?
03:46:52 <b_jonas> fizzie: fungot is unusually silent today
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09:13:39 <APic> Celebrate Bureflux!
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13:59:45 <b_jonas> fungot, is the pokémon Ponyta related to M:tG's Nightmare?
13:59:45 <fungot> b_jonas: i'm not complaining it is lf, i like the for-each-stream-maker example. why do you ask?"
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15:24:10 <keegan> APic: all hail discordia
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16:08:25 <b_jonas> fungot, what type is a Metacarp
16:08:25 <fungot> b_jonas: you're in proglangdesign right this minute. anyways...... and then
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19:10:42 <nakilon> one of my favourite subs https://www.reddit.com/r/itsaunixsystem/comments/pvwsjj/hawaii_50_3d_printing_is_instantaneous/
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