00:04:15 <esolangs> [[Pokecontest]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88324 * Maikeru51 * (+1148) My first complete esolang!
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00:41:01 <imode> I said a little bit about this in another channel, but I'm interested in the potential for minifying a particular BF-like to 4 instructions. currently at 6.
00:41:23 <imode> https://hastebin.com/raw/ilebolucoy
00:41:59 <imode> based around a deque.
00:42:17 <imode> which loosely corresponds to a tape with an "insert cell containing 0/1" here feature.
00:44:05 <imode> you can potentially remove `>` but suffer the linear time of seeking to the end of the deque and matching against a marker.
00:51:49 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88325&oldid=88323 * BlueOkiris * (+6) /* Standard Library Functions */
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00:59:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88326&oldid=68829 * Fmbalbuena * (+1) Missing space added
01:04:08 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88327&oldid=88325 * BlueOkiris * (-65) /* Standard Library Functions */
01:04:38 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88328&oldid=88327 * BlueOkiris * (+29) /* Standard Library Functions */
01:05:30 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88329&oldid=88328 * BlueOkiris * (+3) /* Standard Library Functions */
01:06:56 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88330&oldid=88329 * BlueOkiris * (-51) /* Standard Library Functions */
01:08:12 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88331&oldid=88330 * BlueOkiris * (-1) /* Standard Library Functions */
01:24:08 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88332&oldid=88331 * BlueOkiris * (+1) /* Standard Library Functions */
01:50:46 <esolangs> [[User:Maikeru51]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88333&oldid=88316 * Maikeru51 * (+17)
01:51:48 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88334&oldid=88332 * BlueOkiris * (+289) /* Standard Library Functions */
02:05:13 <esolangs> [[Pokecontest]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88335&oldid=88324 * Maikeru51 * (-22) Fixed spelling errors of the categories. Also modified how "Clever" moves work.
02:09:56 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88336&oldid=88334 * BlueOkiris * (-12) /* Instructions */
02:10:16 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88337&oldid=88336 * BlueOkiris * (-190)
02:10:47 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88338&oldid=88337 * BlueOkiris * (+6) /* Instructions */
02:24:27 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88339&oldid=88338 * BlueOkiris * (+69) /* Standard Library Functions */
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03:29:39 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88340&oldid=88339 * BlueOkiris * (+306) /* Standard Library Functions */
03:30:40 <esolangs> [[Nabd]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88341&oldid=88340 * BlueOkiris * (+1408) /* Examples */
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05:27:40 <esolangs> [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88342&oldid=88079 * Zzo38 * (+1062) Fairchild Video Entertainment System (Channel F)
05:32:21 <esolangs> [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88343&oldid=88342 * Zzo38 * (+477)
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07:32:22 <riv> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRgw1fY7s5U cool alien world
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12:01:49 <river> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OEF3JD-jYo fun, naming number systems
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14:55:02 <fizzie> Thought of the day: you can't eSTABlish anything without a STABbing.
14:56:54 <int-e> hmm... e-stab (Apple: iStab)
14:59:14 <fizzie> There's a lot of high street phone repair shops with names like iSmash, iBroke, and so on.
15:00:27 <int-e> Not exactly iNspiring confidence.
15:00:37 <fizzie> There's an iFix as well, but somehow iSmash seems to be a bigger player on the market.
15:01:54 <int-e> I hear "iSmash", I expect to see a huge anvil and a sledgehammer.
15:02:28 <int-e> . o O ( the ultimate repair shop )
15:02:44 <fizzie> I feel like there was an Internet-connected knife in Achewood.
15:03:02 <fizzie> http://achewood.com/index.php?date=01112007 + the next few strips after that.
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16:08:26 <Corbin> Is this one of those situations where you're visiting IRC from an unusual computer?
16:08:50 <SgeoWebTV> I'm visiting from an emulator. Not sure if that counts as an unusual computer
16:09:20 <SgeoWebTV> I was unsure if the connection to chat would go through the WebTV server emulator I'm connected to or from my computer. Seems to be the latter
16:09:20 <Corbin> Your nick made me recall "WebTV", a TV/computer hybrid product from the late 90s.
16:09:42 <SgeoWebTV> Yep. I'm using an emulator of that exact product
16:10:21 <SgeoWebTV> The pages aren't the ones WebTV originally served. Some custom hacktv HTML
16:10:31 <SgeoWebTV> But I can e.g. view audioscope art
16:10:41 <Sgeo> http://wtv-zone.com/mechtild/scopeglass-bach.html
16:11:04 <b_jonas> "Not sure if that counts as an unusual computer" => you mean the bar is slightly raised on this channel?
16:11:34 <Sgeo> The chat itself seems to be a custom HTML tag: <wtvchat host="${request_headers.query.host}" port="${request_headers.query.port}" channel="#${request_headers.query.channel}"
16:11:34 <Sgeo> bgcolor="#101C1E"
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16:12:21 <SgeoWebTV> I'm using an emulator, not an actual WebTV, so it's just an ordinary PC really
16:13:01 <int-e> SgeoWebTV: Hmm, so what do you think of Windows95?
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16:19:57 <SgeoWebTV> There are guides on the Internet for WebTV users teaching how to make their own chat pages
16:23:36 <Sgeo> WebTV supposedly could use gopher
16:23:37 <Sgeo> "So far it's been recorded that WebTV/MSN TV had proxy services for HTTP, FTP, and Gopher. Not much documentation on how the proxy services worked is available at the moment, though."
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16:25:12 <int-e> So... kind of an amphibious vehicle for the information superhighway.
16:26:12 <int-e> there goes the time traveler
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16:50:28 <Sgeo> The WebTV emulator can play .xm but not .mod or .s3m apparently. The emulator comes with all 3
16:50:34 <Sgeo> (And .mid and .rmf)
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18:04:52 <imode> are there any BF-likes that use relative jumps instead of bracket matching?
18:05:29 <imode> like | means "if the cell is 0, jump <direction>, otherwise jump <direction>"
18:05:44 <imode> you'd need asymmetry.
18:05:55 <imode> jump forward two instructions, or jump backward two instructions.
18:06:37 <imode> maybe you'd need three. 1| would be a "no-op" unless you're coming from the right and land on it.
18:07:35 <imode> how would you form nested loops, though..
18:24:20 <imode> maybe you'd need to do forward two, backward 3?
18:28:35 <imode> brainflop has something similar..
18:28:54 <zzo38> I think I have seen one with jumps before, I don't remember if they are relative or absolute jumps
18:29:17 <zzo38> Is there general purpose compression formats with an optional key frame index?
18:29:41 <imode> brainflop, HighFive..
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19:20:51 <zzo38> If they have Gopher on TV, next thing to add on TV will be Gemini and Viewdata, and live audio/video stream protocol.
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19:37:58 <zzo38> For interactive text services on television, such as if you want a weather service, I think Viewdata can help. I know of one existing Viewdata service called TELSTAR.
19:38:53 <river> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstar#/media/File:Telstar_satellite-CnAM_35181-IMG_5408-gradient.jpg
19:41:32 <fizzie> Looks like a movie prop.
19:41:58 <zzo38> Well, the service I mention is something different.
19:44:43 <zzo38> https://glasstty.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/computerphone2.jpg
19:45:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Categorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88344&oldid=86782 * TheJonyMyster * (+164) /* Does this belong in joke languages */
19:45:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:Categorial]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88345&oldid=88344 * TheJonyMyster * (+1)
19:46:17 <esolangs> [[Categorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88346&oldid=88298 * TheJonyMyster * (+27) its clearly a joke
19:46:45 <esolangs> [[Categorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88347&oldid=88346 * TheJonyMyster * (+1)
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19:54:27 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88348&oldid=87963 * TheJonyMyster * (+458) Count issue
19:54:57 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88349&oldid=88348 * TheJonyMyster * (+6) /* Plurality of category name */
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20:05:49 <Sgeo> It should be possible to add Gopher and Gemini support to https://github.com/zefie/zefie_wtvp_minisrv
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21:55:57 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Talbi * New user account
22:04:51 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88350&oldid=88313 * Talbi * (+219) Added my introduction :)
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