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01:58:54 <zzo38> SQL doesn't really have flow controls, although it has triggers and recursive CTEs, which are similar to flow controls, I suppose.
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09:19:12 <kspalaiologos> hiya, we've been thinking about bridging this channel and a separate channel on the Esolangs discord server using a bidirectional bridge
09:19:18 <riv> no
09:19:43 <kspalaiologos> just in case anything happened, both of the sides would have moderation tools to ban people from the bridge in case of rule violations
09:20:19 <kspalaiologos> we usually notice some issues with the wiki and i think that some conversations in this topic are really valuable and our community members could take part in them, while making the IRC channel a bit more alive
09:20:52 <kspalaiologos> what's your opinion on this?
09:22:10 <riv> i do not want it bridged
09:24:42 <kspalaiologos> fair, we're not up to anything without an explicit permission of most regulars here, can I know why?
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09:38:50 <wib_jonas> kspalaiologos: as long as you or someone actively maintains the bridge, I do support bridging, though of course you should rather ask the moderators here and in the Discord rather than me.
09:39:16 <kspalaiologos> I own the Discord server, and we've already settled that a bridge would be cool
09:39:30 <wib_jonas> wait, you own the discord server?
09:39:34 <kspalaiologos> yeah.
09:40:21 <kspalaiologos> https://0x0.st/ozSH.png
09:40:46 <wib_jonas> ah right, sorry. for some reason I thought at first that the Discord server is ancient so you can't possibly own it, but then I realized that no, the whole Discord is new, it's the newsgroup that's ancient
09:40:57 <wib_jonas> or mailing list, I'm fuzzy about the details
09:41:00 <kspalaiologos> there's around 500 people there, active - probably around 30, but i can assure that there won't be insane amounts of traffic here
09:41:27 <kspalaiologos> wib_jonas, I've been elected the owner in summer of 2020.
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15:34:27 <Taneb> Did anything happen with esolangs cloaks
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16:00:16 <fizzie> Oh, right. No, I completely forgot about it. I'll look into it some day soon now that you've reminded me of it. For the record, if anyone else is interested, there was a proposed way of managing them at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:IRC_cloaks
16:18:27 <fizzie> And from the backscroll, re a Discord bridge, I don't have _much_ of an opinion either way. I think my main concern would be additional drama spilling over. I remember there was at least some small-scale edit warring going on in [[Esolang:Community portal]] re the two "servers". Bridging with one might be kind of taking sides. Assuming both still exist, anyway.
16:18:35 <fizzie> Also some concern re respecting the people who object to Discord on philosophical grounds and wouldn't want their comments go there. We had a filter for the Libera/freenode bridge to opt out, but that sort of thing's just a source of confusion.
16:19:20 <fizzie> Plus if it'd be one of those everyone-looks-like-a-single-IRC-nick bridges, they're just so... clunky. At least with Matrix users, you can most of the time not knor or care about how they're connecting. Except when they get a little too enthusiastic about replies, edits or attachments.
16:19:40 <wib_jonas> fizzie: I don't see why that would be taking sides. More than one Discord can be bridged at the same time. That's like saying that since we have HackEso, you're taking sides against other evaluator bots.
16:24:20 <fizzie> I just mean bridging with one but not the other would be conveying a notion of "officialness". And even an entirely neutral "we'll bridge with any esolangs-themed Discord 'server' who asks" policy doesn't mean the channel would stay free of any, well, small-d discord.
16:24:50 <fizzie> FTR, I've no idea if there's still any sort of trouble there, or even if both of the places mentioned on the wiki are still active.
16:28:06 <fizzie> (Also I'm aware using the quotes around "server" is quite petty, since it's the official term they use; I just can't help myself.)
16:28:33 <Corbin> It's not petty, but unambiguous. Discord is at fault for trying to redefine "server".
16:29:05 <Corbin> I get the impression that the contributors who idle on Discord are largely neophytes; they are just getting started with design and theory of programming languages.
16:29:45 <wib_jonas> Does having a brainfuck evaluator bot mean that we officially endorse brainfuck as a good language, fungot? What if I bring in an evaluator bot for a silly brainfuck-alike?
16:29:46 <fungot> wib_jonas: main() calls two functions i mentioned?! are quite unsafe. static versus dynamic types, so you actually *recall* our insanity. " hey, you should
16:30:04 <Corbin> It would be good to have a way to reach out to them and spread the culture of computer science. Maybe we'll get higher-quality contributions as a result.
16:30:41 <wib_jonas> And I don't think it's "we'll bridge", rather it's "we allow you to bridge". You don't have to promise to maintain bridges.
16:31:10 <fizzie> fungot: What about you, how'd you feel about a Discord bridge? Would it be the worst thing since sliced bread?
16:31:10 <fungot> fizzie: the likelihood of that happening? haven't seen them used. c and c++
16:31:25 <wib_jonas> Endorsing would be eg. if we mentioned that discord in the limited space of the channel topic or the channel relcome message.
16:31:30 <fizzie> fungot: I mean, I know some channels do do it, it's not _that_ outlandish.
16:31:30 <fungot> fizzie: i collect lucky palships. it's a 16-bit machine with a tape length limited to the definition of the function
16:31:48 <wib_jonas> And obviously we can still ban the bridge if it causes trouble, it's not a wildcard promise.
16:36:01 <riv> I would prefer no discord bridge. If you wanted to go on the discord you can just go on there, if you want to go on IRC you can just join here
16:36:14 <riv> I do not think we need "more activity" here, this channel is fine
16:37:06 <riv> yes there is often drama and warring over multiple discords that are dedicated to the same topic.. this happened with the programming language dev community
16:37:10 <wib_jonas> riv: you can always ignore the bridge, just as you could ignore the esowiki announcer bot now
16:37:26 <riv> ignoring it doesn't make it go away
16:39:25 <Corbin> riv: Similarly, ignoring their contributions to the wiki won't make them stop contributing.
16:40:14 <riv> I don't know what you mean by that
16:42:50 <Corbin> riv: https://esolangs.org/wiki/GibMeRol
16:46:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * SunnyMoon * uploaded a new version of "[[File:1L a4.png]]": Mistake fix
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17:50:39 <b_jonas> So back in the good old days, our channel used to have two independent active public logs, one with search functionality (an instance of the logs was mounted to HackEgo's fs), and three web IRC clients (qwebirc, old Kiwi, and Mibbit).
17:51:41 <b_jonas> I liked that. Two logbots added redundancy in that we didn't lose data when one was not connected; log search function meant we could find useful old conversations; and web irc clients let us get new contributors, who were not previously familiar with IRC, hooked up.
17:52:05 <b_jonas> Now we have nly one logbot, no online search feature, and only one webirc server (new Kiwi).
17:52:42 <b_jonas> riv: considering that, if someone were to offer to maintain a logbot with basic keyword search feature and a web client, but this wasn't also a bridge to a community, would you still dislike that?
17:53:12 <riv> I don't mind log bot keyword search
17:53:46 <b_jonas> (We also had free travel within Europe and four simultaneous rotations of the Earth within 24 hours allowing me to be both productive and refreshed at the same time, but that's not really concerned with #esoteric )
18:12:05 <zzo38> Maybe if logs would be available by a SQL virtual table or a ZIP or other archive file that you can download all logs (to search by your own computer afterward), might do, but will need to support incremental copies to download only data that you do not already have in order to not waste bandwidth to redownload them every time since you should not need to do that.
18:14:07 <zzo38> And about bridge with Discord, perhaps the reason you mention might be the reason to not to do, but I don't really care that much, as long as the IRC is working
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18:20:25 <zzo38> What is it if, during each step, (a,b)->(abs(a-(a XOR b)),abs(b-(a XOR b))) ?
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22:37:49 <esolangs> [[Iris]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91649&oldid=91648 * Squidmanescape * (+18)
22:38:42 <esolangs> [[Amelia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91650&oldid=35999 * Squidmanescape * (+48)
22:40:41 <esolangs> [[BinaryBefunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91651&oldid=85914 * Squidmanescape * (+94)
22:40:52 <esolangs> [[BinaryBefunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91652&oldid=91651 * Squidmanescape * (+0) /* Interpreter */
22:41:12 <esolangs> [[BinaryBefunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91653&oldid=91652 * Squidmanescape * (+25)
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23:54:45 <esolangs> [[Ensemencer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91654&oldid=91556 * Salpynx * (+1234) /* Examples */ Parity machine example -- 2 distinct states
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