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00:14:43 <ais523> I've had good experiences with IRC/Discord bridges in the past
00:15:01 <ais523> basically because they reduce the amount of incentive to actually use Discord
00:16:23 <ais523> the bridge probably helps both sides to stay on topic? not sure
00:17:22 <ais523> re: logbots, I only just realised that the Freenode collapse would have caused the legacy logbots to finally stop their work
00:18:48 <ais523> I guess it might also be helpful to get visibility into the really rapid rate of new half-baked esolangs going onto the wiki…
01:12:31 <fizzie> Do they do it like the Libera.Chat <-> Matrix bridge, that Discord participants look like separate people on IRC, or not? Because the latter is a pretty jarring experience IMO. Especially if the majority of discussion happens "over there".
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01:27:44 <ais523> fizzie: the bridge I'm used to sends everything through a single bot on IRC
01:27:44 <ais523> although with a very short name
01:27:44 <ais523> you get used to it quite quickly
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03:35:07 <fizzie> I'm on a (different network) channel where Discord is bridged by a bot called "dx", and it's not the length of the nickname, it's the lack of all the quality-of-life IRC client features.
03:35:12 <fizzie> Missing nick colors for the people beyond the bridge, nicknames rendered in the "wrong place" and text not aligned right, no tab completion for them either, the nickname prefix making it impossible for them to invoke bot commands that require a prefix (well, maybe that's a feature rather than a bug). Maybe a few others too.
03:35:52 <fizzie> I know there's client-side scripting workarounds for at least some of them, but that'd involve effort.
03:47:04 <zzo38> I am also on a IRC server that is only meant for the purpose of being bridged by Discord, and all of the names appear as IRC names. However, private messages between IRC and Discord do not work (so people on the IRC can only send private messages to other people on the IRC, and people on the Discord can only send private messages to other people on the Discord). Do you know how to make private messages work?
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04:09:39 <fizzie> I don't have anything to do with running the bridge; I think it's just an instance of matterbridge. But in any case I imagine it's probably quite different when it's done with server assistance, this one is just a bot connected to a regular IRC network.
04:17:31 <zzo38> I do not have any problem with the features you listed since I do not use them; of course that may be significant for you and for other people, but some people including myself do not use these features.
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05:36:13 <razetime_> aren't big important pages like Brainfuck and thue supposed to be edit protected
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15:40:19 <imode> http://www.fraglets.net/
15:40:39 <imode> wonder if this is turing complete if you restrict symbols.
15:45:35 <esolangs> [[APOL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91659&oldid=91658 * GingerIndustries * (+166) /* Instruction table */
15:57:11 <int-e> 5 1/2 years of research
16:06:42 <Corbin> I'm reading the introductory paper. It seems like the O(1) interpreter is a bit of a lie; it's O(n) for n fraglets to consider. That's better than quadratic-time, yes, but it's not constant-time.
16:09:55 <int-e> you got further than I did
16:11:39 <Corbin> I've read a *lot* of network-concurrency crankery, I guess.
16:13:10 <int-e> As a computer scientist I wonder: How can you do this and not even cite Milner (pi-calculus and CCS) and/or Hoare (CSP) and possibly a couple of others. This research is from a parallel universe...
16:14:31 <Corbin> Yes, it's from a world where delivery is unreliable. This is a big division in CS that I've noticed, and people get *very* angry if you remind them that the other half exists.
16:15:16 <Corbin> CSP is great for talking about e.g. Go's concurrency within a single machine. There, delivery is so reliable and quick that we can trust it.
16:15:55 <Corbin> Whereas the example that they use in this paper is about ack'ing an unreliably-delivered packet. Simple stuff but clearly from a different line of research.
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16:18:02 <int-e> Surely you could at least have a common syntax :-/ Oh well... that's not how academia works.
16:19:17 <int-e> You get more research grant money if you can convince the world that you're breaking new ground rather than extending something old in a particular direction.
16:34:46 <esolangs> [[User:Sporeball]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91660&oldid=82021 * Sporeball * (+15) lowercase myself
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16:36:06 <esolangs> [[User:Sporeball]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91661&oldid=91660 * Sporeball * (-1) remove extra break?
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16:39:21 <Corbin> I kept reading. http://www.fraglets.net/pres/o1_2007-01-29.pdf explains how they get an average-case O(1) interpreter even with n fraglets in the system already. They admit that it has worst-case O(n) behavior, so it's not magic.
16:47:46 <imode> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4369014_Self-Replicating_and_Self-Modifying_Programs_in_Fraglets
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21:04:53 <b_jonas> "You get more research grant money if you can convince the world that you're breaking new ground rather than extending something old in a particular direction." => yes, in your grand proposals you both have to pretend that you're attempting completely new research that nobody has done before, but also that it will definitely work at the exact specs that you give and not something risky that might not
21:04:59 <b_jonas> work out at the end. you need to learn to be a particular kind of crazy to be able to write them.
21:05:25 <b_jonas> I've met these because I live in east europe so some of our projects are partly funded by EU grants
21:07:38 <b_jonas> And of course those aren't the most important criteria: the most important is that you have to print all documentation and source code on paper in three copies, the CEO must sign both sides of every sheet of paper (even empty pages), and they have to be in a ring binder with a nice cover.
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