00:10:16 <fizzie> Mph. The wiki's hosting provider has sent a rather confusing email about a migration; they got bought by a bigger company in 2017-2018, and this is about consolidating under the parent company's brand. The email mentions an automatic migration that failed because "SSH is inaccessible or filtered" (well, yeah), but is pretty unclear about next steps.
00:10:38 <fizzie> And I'm a little weirded out by the notion they'd just SSH into a customer's system and somehow automagically migrate it. Especially without giving any advance notice. (This is the first I've heard of the migration, and it says they already "attempted" it. But maybe that's just bad wording, and they would have just checked if it was possible.)
00:11:32 <fizzie> Got to say, online nobody seems to have anything good to say about the "new" parent company, and their web presence is really... blank. I can't find any real details about this new service the migration would be to.
00:12:39 <fizzie> If we were actually *paying* for the service, I'd be seriously reconsidering at this point. And as it stands, I'm a little worried our little informal sponsorship "discount" / zero-rating will also get left behind in the migration.
00:17:15 <fizzie> Well, maybe I'll just ask a few questions first. And make sure the backups are up-to-date.
00:21:30 <int-e> Well it sounds like it might be a hassle.
00:21:48 <int-e> But... too early to tell.
00:23:06 <int-e> The weird thing is... you'd think this would have come up with the recent billing hickup.
00:23:40 <fizzie> Yeah, that's a little odd. But maybe they don't plan things in advance too well.
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00:35:35 <b_jonas> fizzie: and you're sure that's not a spam impersonating that company?
00:35:42 <b_jonas> I guess that's also why you have to ask the questions
00:35:44 <Corbin> You have my axe, although I suspect I can't do much besides contribute to defraying hosting costs.
00:36:27 <fizzie> It did come through the (old) company's support ticket system, at least.
00:42:56 <fizzie> While the hosting costs are pretty low (I think the nominal cost of the old service is £20/month, and there are at least 50% cheaper options with an equivalent specification), I did also look again into how charitable organizations work around here, since there would be certain advantages to that structure. Although I kind of feel like that's little bit of morally ambiguous. Or at least using
00:42:58 <fizzie> the company gift-matching scheme would be.
00:43:00 <fizzie> Not going to think about that more unless they actually do drop us, though. Because they suggested nothing of the kind when handling that billing issue that int-e mentioned.
00:46:14 <int-e> I imagine nothing will happen over the weekend anyway
00:48:35 <fizzie> Probably not. Anyway, the initial email said they "would like to aim to get the move completed within 30 days if at all possible". (Of which I've used up 3, since I didn't feel like thinking about it during the week.)
00:52:00 <int-e> sounds like enough time to figure out what's going on and how to proceed
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01:54:45 <zzo38> I read some parts of the sigbovik, so far.
02:12:16 <b_jonas> "LaTeX Gold Warning: MathBBFree per-document usage limit exceeded; upgrade to remove this limitation."
02:44:15 <int-e> . o O ( Is this from a preview of the highly anticipated TeX 4.0 and MetaFont 3.0 releases? )
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06:16:37 <zzo38> I don't know how can use Banach-Tarski to move a spaceship even if it is a magic spaceship.
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06:21:21 <river> I never learned the Banach-Tarski thing
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06:38:10 <zzo38> Even though Free Hero Mesh is meant to make a puzzle game, it is also possible to make cellular automata (although not very good (for one thing, the maximum grid size is probably too small); something like CASTLE would probably be better but it seems to be not implemented, and there might be some purposes that it has its own limitations too) (I wrote one in other IRC)
06:38:36 <zzo38> But, you can also do other way I suppose, if you will want to make the cellular automatic game engine, or a hybrid system, I suppose
06:38:54 <zzo38> (Actually, I think I had seen such things before but do not remember)
06:40:14 <zzo38> Is there a implementation of CASTLE that esolang wiki did not mention by now?
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17:51:29 <zzo38> How do they add specifications for HTML and web browsers? I had wanted to add a "Interpreter" response header, and "feature" and "application" HTML attributes, and values "data" and "documentation" for rel attributes. The first one will need implementation to work, but others are optional to implement.
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18:38:23 <zzo38> The intention of Interpreter header is that any browser can then load files (documents, pictures, etc) of any file format whether or not it is already known; if it is not built in to the browser but the interpreter is understood, then it can use that; if it is already built in (or if the end user has disabled this feature) then the Interpreter header is ignored. (Other uses are possible, too.)
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20:04:31 <river> http://sigbovik.org/2022/proceedings.pdf
20:07:57 <river> il;ll read it soon
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23:51:29 <b_jonas> can you remind me of the syntax for a https URL pointing to a specific page in a pdf? I keep forgetting it
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23:52:15 <HackEso> PDF stands for Pretty Depressing Format.
23:52:19 <HackEso> The smallest floating-point number is known as pages. Fungot discovered it.
23:53:41 <b_jonas> if I search these keywords on the internet, all I find is always this stupid "run this program, click on these menu items, enter the page number, get a URL"
23:54:05 <b_jonas> seriously? why'd I need Adobe Acrobat to link to a page number?
23:54:46 <b_jonas> it's probably somewhere in #esolangs or #esoteric history
23:55:46 <fizzie> I didn't know that was even a thing.
23:56:15 <zzo38> I had just used # followed by the page number (regardless of the URI scheme)
23:58:20 <b_jonas> I read that the suffix was #page=16 somewhere. it doesn't seem to work, but maybe that's just my setup or something.
23:58:55 <b_jonas> I know it's not just #16 , that wouldn't be something of the "I can never remember" category
23:59:43 <b_jonas> it's #page=16 , except you have to use the physical page number, not the logical one, so it's a bit more than 16
23:59:57 <b_jonas> it works if I make Firefox use its built-in pdf viewer