00:03:46 <zzo38> Or at least it was, I suppose; the ISO image seems to be corrupted; maybe it was not properly cleared, somehow?
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02:39:59 <esolangs> [[Prime numbers generator]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=97083 * PixelatedStarfish * (+52) Created page with "It generates prime numbers. 2 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 duh"
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02:41:36 <ais523> …I'd expect to already have a page about that
02:41:43 <ais523> and the new page doesn't seem to be that informative
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03:08:16 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97086&oldid=96648 * Gaetgu * (+111) I added my introduction1
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03:25:48 <zzo38> I was unable to make a backup because it says the file is too big.
03:26:27 <zzo38> (Maybe I will need to make a incremental backup?)
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03:55:53 <zzo38> What methods can I use to better split the backups?
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04:35:36 <zzo38> (I have more files on my computer than before, so it will not fit in one compressed tape archive file)
04:37:59 <zzo38> (Before, I could split them into /home, /var, and everything else. I might need more splitting, which might have another advantage too)
04:55:38 <b_jonas> zzo38: I use my very old script https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=922051 , but with 7z compression rather than gzip since cpus and RAM are now faster
04:56:41 <b_jonas> I have a custom config file for it to split the file system to various groups, so eg. there's one for /usr , one for /var , one for photos (since that's a significant part of the backup) etc
04:56:55 <b_jonas> and that script splits each group to multiple archives of limited size
04:57:41 <b_jonas> as I mentioned earlier, I use this in single user mode, and on a bind mount of the root fs
04:58:40 <b_jonas> currently I use 512 megabyte as the nominal size, though the script doesn't enforce that as a strict size limit, just approximage
04:59:18 <b_jonas> I used a sizes back when I wrote backups to CD or DVD
04:59:21 <zzo38> OK, I will look in a few minutes. The total used space on my computer is 17G (according to df -h)
05:00:01 <b_jonas> (don't use that script on windows)
05:01:04 <b_jonas> that said, I'm probably not the right person to ask about making backups
05:01:25 <zzo38> I need to first write them to a USB (which is formatted with FAT32) and then to DVDs from there. (I do this in order to avoid problem with the hard drive resetting during the DVD recording, or if the DVD recording is interrupted for any other reason, I already have the backup files to try again)
05:02:59 <b_jonas> the setting that I use to make that script compress with 7z is: cmd tar -c --null --no-recursion -T - -b 20 | 7z a /mnt/safe/bkp/bkp/bkp1810/all/$v.t7z -t7z -mx=3 -si$v.tar ; echo >&2
05:03:17 <b_jonas> but it's possible that xz would be a better choice than 7z
05:30:15 <zzo38> Do you backup the entire system? If so, should --numeric-owner be used? (I am using --numeric-owner for backups, since the user names will not be known until it is restored)
05:33:45 <b_jonas> zzo38: I don't think so, because without --numeric-owner , tar writes both the name and number into the archive. you can use --numeric-owner when extracting if you want to ignore the name.
05:34:35 <zzo38> OK (my idea was to do both, but that would also work)
05:34:36 <b_jonas> I make "full backups" with this script, it's not useful for incremental or differential backups, but I may exclude some directories in the config
05:36:47 <b_jonas> also if I have to restore the entire system (as opposed to just restore something that I accidentally deleted), I'm more likely to ignore most of the full backup and just start by installing a fresh debian, then restore /home and other parts of the backup, rather than restoring a full system. however, I haven't had the need to full restore from these backups since I started to use this script.
05:37:29 <b_jonas> this also means that the backup script is largely untested, since I don't know if I can actually restore from it correctly
05:37:39 <b_jonas> I definitely haven't done a test restore
05:41:38 <zzo38> I also use --one-file-system, although I suppose that is unnecessary if you are mounting it yourself
05:46:18 <b_jonas> zzo38: this script gives an explicit list of files to tar, which is why it uses --no-recursion -T -
05:46:27 <b_jonas> so --one-file-system does nothing
05:47:38 <b_jonas> however, the script does try to skip mount points
05:48:12 <b_jonas> search for "skipping xdev" in the script to see where
05:49:00 <b_jonas> if you want to include multiple mounted file systems then you can include them explicitly
05:49:43 <b_jonas> however, you have to manually exclude the directory where you're writing the backups, the script won't do that for you
05:50:10 <b_jonas> if it were included that is
05:52:03 <b_jonas> also you have to make sure not to make differnt archive filenames coincide
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05:52:17 <b_jonas> such as because you're on a filesystem that truncates names to short
05:52:53 <b_jonas> and there are like a hundred other stupid ways how you can lose data of course
05:56:18 <zzo38> Can I change the owner of a mounted FAT32 file system?
05:57:05 <b_jonas> zzo38: you can at mount time with mount options, I don't know if you can for an already mounted one
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06:00:22 <zzo38> OK, I figured out how to do
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06:10:50 <zzo38> It is too late now, so I will make the rest of the backups tomorrow, and clean the inside of the computer and replace the SATA cable. (I hope)
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06:14:15 <zzo38> I can hear all sorts of noises, and many of them are not from the hard drive (they may be from the fan). Even while the computer was off, I heard some noises. I do not even know if all of them are from the computer; some might not be the computer at all. There are no problems with temperature sensors, voltage sensors, fan sensors, and SMART diagnostics, and no files are unreadable, but the hard drive does sometimes reset.
06:16:39 <zzo38> Would it be better to leave the computer on or turn it off?
06:17:08 <zzo38> (I also do not know if there are insects in this room, or anything else wrong with the room)
06:22:03 <zzo38> (Well, I will leave it on for now)
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06:52:37 <zzo38> Computer is making too much noise today and I will have to turn it off (it did not make this much noise yesterday, I think?)
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08:41:19 <int-e> b_jonas: by "objective" I meant that the goal is to guess the title of the page
08:45:30 <int-e> the information is there, just "hidden" behind the "info" ...well what do we call these today, in the distant past they'd have been buttons
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12:31:20 <b_jonas> zzo38: if there are noises, you should perhaps check if there's too much dust in the camera, especially in the CPU fan, and clean it if there is. also make sure there isn't a loose cable touching the blades of any fan.
12:32:40 <b_jonas> And of course make sure that the strange noises aren't coming from a speaker because you're playing some audio.
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23:12:52 <zzo38> I cleaned the inside of the computer, and replaced the SATA cable; it is less loud now and the temperature is lower. I notice no other differences yet.
23:19:31 <zzo38> It seems that still sometimes the hard drive is resetting