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00:03:40 <Sgeo> I... seem to have come across a Federico Faggin fan site. I don't have enough context to know if it exaggerates.
00:03:45 <Sgeo> http://www.intel4004.com/
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02:31:11 <^[> b_jonas: On Linux, tc lets you add latency, packet loss, etc to a network interface: https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/tc-netem.8.html
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04:48:19 <int-e> fungot: is 12345 still the best password?
04:48:20 <fungot> int-e: not so. i assumed he meant in oisc :)
04:57:48 <shachaf> Online Integer Sequence Competition?
05:01:41 <int-e> oh, RIP Georgia Guidestones
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08:14:45 <b_jonas> ^[: ok, but I'm not sure I can set the settings to what's realistic for a bad transatlantic connection
08:16:06 <b_jonas> still, good to know
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11:33:04 <wib_jonas> hi channel, can I use you as rubber duck? I have two things that I want to rant about
11:33:37 <int-e> fungot: do you quack when squeezed?
11:33:37 <fungot> int-e: i am superfly johnson. or at least worth looking at
11:33:56 <fizzie> fungot: Any relation to Boris Johnson?
11:33:56 <fungot> fizzie: and that too. :) :( i can't help...
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12:33:34 <wib_jonas> I was just thinking of some tourist traps that I met when traveling abroad, ones where something is designed to get tourists make mistakes if they miss the local knowledge,
12:33:49 <wib_jonas> and then that reminded me of the beautiful tourist traps that transport right here in Budapest has
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12:36:03 <wib_jonas> the M3 bus going northwest from Kőbánya-Kipest has two adjacent stopsnamed "Népliget M" right now. both the displays on the bus and the sound announcement calls them both "Népliget M". it's a trap trying to make you get off at the first once, since you know you have to get off at Népliget and the bus is at that stop. you have to get off at the
12:36:03 <wib_jonas> second one. they should just rename the first one to "Planetárium", but no, it's been like this for over a year.
12:38:20 <wib_jonas> the people who designed this clearly know of the problem, because for a few months the speakers even had an announcement at the first station, saying something like "for distance coaches, get off at the next station". and not only is that announcement easy to miss because you hear it kind of late, it's also another level of confusing, because it
12:38:21 <wib_jonas> made it sound like you want the second stop for the bus station but the first stop to switch to tram 1, which is what the other half of the people get off for at that stop. nope. you actually want the second station in both cases.
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12:39:12 <wib_jonas> bus 200E has basically the exact same problem at Kőbánya-Kispest: two stops with identical names, you always want the second one, a voice announcement telling you to take the second one in some overly specific case.
12:39:42 <wib_jonas> and then there's the beautiful naming of streets and places, reusing names frequently in ways that confuse you.
12:41:29 <wib_jonas> the south half of the inner city has a Rákóczi tér and a Rákóczi út, both major places located non-incident in a way ideal to get you confused; has a Baross utca and a Baross tér, both major places located non-incident in a way ideal to get you confused;
12:42:02 <wib_jonas> there's a Ferenc körút, a Ferenciek Tere, and a Deák Ferenc tér, pairwise non-incident but all on the M3 metro lineé
12:45:19 <int-e> what's this talk about metro incidents
12:45:36 <wib_jonas> and my favourite is "Corvin", because there's a new mall called "Corvin plaza" next to the Corvin cinema at the crossing of Üllői út with Ferenc körút and József körút, the place that's now called "Corvin negyed", but to us old ones "Corvin" isn't that, it's the small mall building on the south side of Blaha Lujza tér, which no longer uses
12:45:36 <wib_jonas> that name and now has a supermarket in it, resulting in two malls called Corvin on tram line 6.
12:47:18 <wib_jonas> this resulted in my mother once having given the statement "let's meet at the tram station at Corvin, on the side going towards the Danube", which is doubly ambiguous because not only could it mean either Corvin, tram 6 goes in a C-shaped route intersecting the Danube at both north and south and these being around the middle. I might be slightly
12:47:19 <wib_jonas> embellishing this story.
12:48:08 <wib_jonas> this is typical of my mother by the way. she always gives completely useless navigation instructions, even when she knows the place that she wants to direct to and would found her way there
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13:08:01 <wib_jonas> then there's Váci út. there's only one in Budapest (don't confuse it with Váci utca though), but it's long and its house numbering is restarted at the boundary of district 13 and district 4, so if you try to go to a street address at Váci utca, you may end up at the entirely wrong place far from your intended destination
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13:09:52 <wib_jonas> there was a business whose homepage gave three different postal addresses for a single location on Váci út, at different pages of the homepage, it wasn't obvious which one was correct, and a post office worker tried to tell me that the one that was in fact correct is an invalid address. and the same business also gave an address in Váci utca for
13:09:53 <wib_jonas> something else irrelevant, just to confuse you further.
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13:35:54 <fizzie> Here's a minor transit annoyance: the 430 bus lists "South Kensington" as its destination on the front, so everyone gets off at South Kensington *station*, even though the bus actually has one more stop later on, closer to the museums.
13:36:30 <fizzie> We've twice been told by disembarking other passengers that "you need to get off, this is the last stop". The first time we even believed that, since it was the first time we were taking that bus there. And the second time, they were very pushy too.
13:36:47 <fizzie> You'd think they'd leave that to the bus driver.
13:36:52 <wib_jonas> heh
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14:41:17 <wib_jonas> Ok, so I have written a custom csv reader and writer module, and I'm using it at work a lot. Half of the time I'm using it to interact with this commercial program that can export some data as a csv and import it in the same format.
14:42:08 <wib_jonas> Now right now, I access the fields of a row by indexing it with integers, like say r is a row that I read from the csv, and column 5 gives the color of that entry, so I write color = r[5] to get the color, or r[5] = newcolor to change the color before writing a new csv.
14:43:04 <wib_jonas> But the problem is that the column indexes are getting hard to maintain. Some of these tables have over fifty columns (though to be fair the most important ones are near the beginning), and worse still, sometimes the list of columns can change.
14:44:20 <wib_jonas> I'm careful in my code and verify that the columns are right, I even have a fancy function for this to verify that the columns headers match what I expect. But even so, sometimes I'm working with different versions of a table with the columns slightly differing, so occasionally I have indirect column indexes like r[col1 + 4] where there's some
14:44:21 <wib_jonas> extra columns between column 10 and 20 that I don't care about and col1 is 21 or 22 depending on how many extra columns there are.
14:44:44 <wib_jonas> So this is getting kind of unmaintainable, and I'm considering to add a better API to my csv module.
14:46:48 <wib_jonas> There are at least three reasons why the list of columns can change. (1) we sometimes upgrade the commercial program to later versions, I've been using at least four versions by now, and the upgrade can add columns. usually the new columns are at the end, where they don't bother me, but sometimes they're not. (2) some tables have a configurable
14:46:48 <wib_jonas> number of columns, and the conf'ation differs between different tables that I'm working with. (3) some tables have text columns repeated in each language that the project data is localized to, and for the very first time we're actually making a two-language translated project.
14:48:01 <wib_jonas> anyway, I want to change the API of my module so that the rows aren't represented by pain lists, but by lists blessed to a custom class, and I want to allow my code to give names to columns, and retrieve the field from the row by the symbolic column name. symbolic column names would make my code more readable and less error-prone.
14:49:12 <wib_jonas> one important question is what the API to get a field by name (that I assigned) should be. one possibility is to have a custom class with fields added, so my code creates a new class per table and adds field descriptors in that. at first this sounds too magical because it creates custom classes at runtime.
14:49:53 <wib_jonas> so this would mean I now access the color like color = r.color to get it, or r.color = newcolor to set it, where earlier in the code I have a statement that names this column "color".
14:51:10 <wib_jonas> the second possibility is to overload bracket indexing, so that r["color"] would access the color. this doesn't require dynamically creating classes, but it's possibly too magical in a different way, because now the bracket can do one of three different things depending on the type of the subscript, because r[5] is plain array indexing, r["color"]
14:51:10 <wib_jonas> looks up the column name, and r[5:10] is range indexing
14:52:17 <wib_jonas> the third possibility is to avoid magic as much as possible, and add a new method to index the row by name, like r.aget_by_name("color") to get and r.aset_by_name("color", newcolor) to set. but this might become too verbose because there are a lot of column accesses in the code.
14:53:15 <wib_jonas> so O wise rubber duck, what do you suppose I should do?
14:58:43 <wib_jonas> also I have to be careful not to add a thousand extra methods to the API just in case for future situations that I'll probably never encounter
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14:59:13 <wib_jonas> finding out that the current API is not enough means that I'm heavily tempted with second system effect\
14:59:21 <wib_jonas> I'm bad at all kinds of temptations
14:59:22 <int-e> fungot: where's the tl;dr of the novel above?
14:59:22 <fungot> int-e: do the characters try to prevent dr. t the women is the worst trilogy ever explain what he meant by man juice i and lauri went to an entropy party and he fnord believed it. (
15:00:03 <int-e> good response, included both "dr" and something that could be a novel.
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15:04:49 <fizzie> fungot: I don't want to hear you talking about "man juice", you're not old enough for that sort of content.
15:04:49 <fungot> fizzie: gambit4 had a fnord harness for the two keyboards), and then use set! in my string-processing functions.
15:05:02 <wib_jonas> also orthogonal to those decisions, I have to decide whether my custom row class is implemented as subclassing list, or just having a list field and delegating to it.
15:07:22 <wib_jonas> I'll have the week-end to ponder this, and develop it on Monday
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18:35:31 <esolangs> [[lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99921&oldid=99919 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+86) Inputfish interpreter
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19:39:21 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99922&oldid=99910 * PixelatedStarfish * (+314)
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20:50:01 <esolangs> [[UCanCode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99923&oldid=93753 * Viba1 * (+2) more accurate terminology
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20:59:12 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99924&oldid=99922 * PixelatedStarfish * (+295) /* Mutations */
21:09:20 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99925&oldid=99924 * PixelatedStarfish * (+370)
21:12:11 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99926&oldid=99925 * PixelatedStarfish * (+36) /* Operation Codes */
21:14:16 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99927&oldid=99926 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Operation Codes */
21:17:50 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99928&oldid=99927 * PixelatedStarfish * (+113) /* The Stack */
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21:42:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:lang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=99929 * SpaceByte * (+344) Created page with "== what == Uhm, what? This doesn't look like a language, the batch "interpreter" literally just takes input, does nothing with it and prints an among us, how can this be consi..."
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21:51:50 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99930&oldid=99928 * PixelatedStarfish * (+404) /* Operation Codes */
21:54:46 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99931&oldid=99930 * PixelatedStarfish * (+88)
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21:59:15 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99932&oldid=99931 * PixelatedStarfish * (-18) /* Operation Codes */
21:59:35 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99933&oldid=99932 * PixelatedStarfish * (-4) /* Operation Codes */
22:00:18 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99934&oldid=99933 * PixelatedStarfish * (+24) /* The Stack */
22:02:38 <esolangs> [[Truffle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99935&oldid=99934 * PixelatedStarfish * (-88)
22:05:36 <esolangs> [[AntiLang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=99936 * SpaceByte * (+2161) Language output only, useless made to prove a point against another esoteric language.
22:05:59 <esolangs> [[User:SpaceByte]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99937&oldid=99120 * SpaceByte * (+15) added antilang
22:06:49 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99938&oldid=99874 * SpaceByte * (+15) Added AntiLang
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23:19:51 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99939&oldid=99917 * SpaceByte * (+197)
23:26:47 <esolangs> [[Cogc]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99940&oldid=99900 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+74) Add categories
23:28:12 <esolangs> [[Airline Food Turing-completeness Proof]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99941&oldid=92337 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) Back
23:31:35 <esolangs> [[lang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99942&oldid=99921 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+30) Zero-dimensional
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23:36:39 <esolangs> [[AntiLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99943&oldid=99936 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-26) Remove incorrect category
23:36:58 <esolangs> [[AntiLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=99944&oldid=99943 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+19) /* Print two strings, with a line break inbetween */ Total
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