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00:16:17 <zzo38> People still argue about the best way to implement 64-bit article numbers in NNTP. My way is: just use bigger numbers than 32-bits if necessary; nothing else in the protocol needs to be changed.
00:22:23 <b_jonas> zzo38: won't that confuse some existing older programs because they scanf and don't check for overflow?
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00:34:14 <zzo38> Yes, although none of the alternatives would allow programs to work properly and not lose any articles, either. If there are no too big article numbers then they will continue to work as they do; if there are too big article numbers, then it will be necessary to fix the software anyways, regardless of what you do, or else break stuff.
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05:21:56 <b_jonas> zzo38: sure, but it's better to break a program in a way that likely makes it give an error message than to break it silently
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05:43:08 <b_jonas> yay, the channel is now 20 years old!
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06:10:31 <int-e> `? password
06:10:34 <HackEso> The password of the month was delayed by snow and ice and Elon Musk.
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06:41:17 <shachaf> `` echo "The password of the month is $(cat /dev/urandom | tr -dc 'a-z' | head -c15)." > ../wisdom/password
06:41:20 <HackEso> No output.
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07:01:08 <int-e> . o O ( < /dev/urandom tr -dc a | head -c15 )
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07:13:19 <shachaf> > 15 * logBase 2 26
07:13:20 <lambdabot> 70.50659577211638
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08:20:44 <zzo38> Can you use complex numbers in Magic: the Gathering with Un-cards?
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08:39:30 <int-e> Didn't they have imaginary health one time? (Which must have been well over a decade ago because that's when I stopped following M:tG)
08:40:35 <int-e> (For the same reason it's also possible that I misrember.)
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10:31:29 <wib_jonas> int-e, zzo38: not as far as I know.  I believe Infinity Elemental https://scryfall.com/card/und/54/infinity-elemental and Just Desserts https://scryfall.com/card/ust/90/just-desserts are the only cards that involve numbers that aren't half-integers
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10:58:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Transoptimal * New user account
11:02:14 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105183&oldid=105160 * Transoptimal * (+169) transoptimal introduction
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12:26:14 <esolangs> [[Miscmisc2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=105184 * Transoptimal * (+2084) Create miscmisc2 language page
12:35:14 <esolangs> [[Miscmisc2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105185&oldid=105184 * Transoptimal * (+263) Add hello world example
12:40:03 <esolangs> [[Miscmisc2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105186&oldid=105185 * Transoptimal * (+343) Add cat example
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13:27:06 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105187&oldid=105176 * Transoptimal * (+16) Add miscmisc2 to the list
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13:30:49 <wib_jonas> Welcome to the twentieth anniversary international hub of esoteric programming language creation, celebration, and Christmas puzzle solving for stars! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://logs.esolangs.org/
13:30:54 -!- wib_jonas has set topic: Welcome to the twentieth anniversary international hub of esoteric programming language creation, celebration, and Christmas puzzle solving for stars! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://logs.esolangs.org/.
13:31:13 <int-e> `? *
13:31:17 <HackEso> Twinkle, twinkle, little star!
13:31:20 <wib_jonas> yes, those
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13:51:05 <esolangs> [[Miscmisc2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105188&oldid=105186 * Transoptimal * (+124) Add link to interpreter
13:51:07 <wib_jonas> hmm, maybe I should make it "twentieth esoteric programming adoption, anniversary, and advent!"
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14:02:54 <int-e> Oh, https://xkcd.com/2708/ is also about stars
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14:19:05 <esolangs> [[Edge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105189&oldid=36906 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+4135) Added an interpreter implementation in Common Lisp and introduced the category tag Implemented.
14:19:49 <esolangs> [[Edge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105190&oldid=105189 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+2) Rectified the freshly introduced Implemented category tag.
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14:27:30 <esolangs> [[Miscmisc2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105191&oldid=105188 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+71) Formatting, categories
14:29:58 <esolangs> [[Edge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105192&oldid=105190 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+2110) Added an examples section with three initial members, entailing also a Hello, World! program.
14:33:03 <esolangs> [[Edge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105193&oldid=105192 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+256) Introduced a Commands section header and supplemented further information regarding the switches.
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14:34:04 <esolangs> [[Edge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105194&oldid=105193 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+5) Amended the example program title Copying a cell to Moving a cell value.
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14:59:26 <esolangs> [[Xaxa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105195&oldid=97446 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) /* Interpreter */ Categories
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15:29:14 <esolangs> [[Edge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105196&oldid=105194 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+30) Improved the instruction tables' formatting, added further type information to the implementation, and formatting its documentation string.
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15:40:21 <earend1> `blsq "foobar"'x0sa
15:40:23 <HackEso> ​"xoobar"
15:41:46 <earend1> `"blah"/cop^IN
15:41:47 <HackEso> ​"blah"/cop^IN? No such file or directory
15:41:59 <earend1> `blsw "blah"/cop^IN
15:42:00 <HackEso> blsw? No such file or directory
15:42:09 <earend1> `blsq "blah"/cop^IN
15:42:10 <HackEso> ERROR: Unknown command: (N \ )! \ ERROR: Unknown command: (^I)! \ ERROR: Unknown command: (op)! \ ERROR: Unknown command: (/c)! \ "blah"
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17:07:28 <fizzie> `blsq "ULRD"{**5.%}m[ "convenient!"vv
17:07:29 <HackEso> ​{0 1 2 3}
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17:12:22 <fizzie> `blsq "UUDDLRLR"XX{2336 3dg?d2coj**5.%!!}m[
17:12:23 <HackEso> ​{{0 -1} {0 -1} {0 1} {0 1} {-1 0} {1 0} {-1 0} {1 0}}
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17:39:45 <FireFly> maybe I should learn burlesque hm
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17:45:18 <fizzie> One drawback: neither the language reference, nor the Moonpage, is exactly correct. There's some undocumented-but-useful stuff, some of which I learned by reading the interpreter in previous years but then promptly forgot.
17:54:02 * FireFly nods
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18:02:32 <esolangs> [[BigBrain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105197&oldid=105149 * K * (+198) Changed some instructions.
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18:25:53 <fizzie> Looking at some of the last year's solutions reminded me of one of them. There's a set of 10 numbered variables that you can set with sX (where X = 0..9, and SX is shorthand for dup + sX) and get with gX, and I used them a lot in "stateful" solutions because they can be much (and sometimes shorter) than using the state stack.
18:26:37 <fizzie> I also feel like I had come up with an alternative for {0 0} that wasn't any shorter but avoided that unseemly space, but I can't identify it now.
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19:30:47 <esolangs> [[BigBrain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105198&oldid=105197 * K * (+88) added brainfuck symbols
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20:14:12 <b_jonas> `blsq {0j}
20:14:14 <HackEso> ​{0 j}
20:14:18 <b_jonas> `blsq {0J}
20:14:19 <HackEso> ​{0 J}
20:14:20 <b_jonas> `blsq {0q}
20:14:21 <HackEso> ERROR: (line 6, column 4): \ unexpected "}" \ expecting white space, "o", "begin lisp", "fancy", "%", "set", "g", "get", "s", "S", "call", "proc", "m{", "f{", "r{", "q", "{", "\"", "-", digit, "'", "(", "y", "k", "`" or "``"
20:14:23 <b_jonas> `blsq {0Q}
20:14:24 <HackEso> ​{0 Q}
20:14:37 <b_jonas> oh right, that makes code
20:14:44 <b_jonas> like postscript braces
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20:48:21 <esolangs> [[Brainlove]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105199&oldid=34213 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+70) Categories
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21:28:04 <esolangs> [[BigBrain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105200&oldid=105198 * K * (+218) added more stuff
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22:03:18 <fizzie> `blsq 0J_+
22:03:20 <HackEso> ​{0 0}
22:03:27 <fizzie> It was in fact even shorter by one character.
22:03:41 <fizzie> Had forgotten that _+ can make a block of two elements.
22:03:55 <fizzie> Well, two numbers, to be specific.
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