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15:12:45 <wib_jonas> TIL in SQL syntax that "LIMIT 50", to restrict a select statement to return only the first 50 rows in the order give by its ORDER BY, is spelled in MS SQL as "OFFSET 0 ROW FETCH NEXT 50 ROW ONLY". It seems like none of the words or parts of that spelling is optional, so I'm not just cheating by adding extra nop words.
15:14:41 <wib_jonas> There's also an alternate MS SQL syntax "TOP 50", but you put that after "SELECT and before the list of columns to be selected, with no separator, so you have two expressions adjacent to each other with no separator, which is error-prone and will make it even harder than usual in MS SQL to find out what the syntax error in your query is, so I don't
15:14:41 <wib_jonas> think I'll use it. And no, you can't just write "TOP 50 ROWS" to have a separator.
15:15:20 <wib_jonas> Also while DO is a keyword in some SQLs, PLEASE apparently isn't yet.
15:20:25 <wib_jonas> they should have required "OFFSET 0 ROW BUT PLEASE FETCH NEXT 50 ROW ONLY SO USERS PAGE THROUGH UNNECESSARILY SHORT WINDOWS OF DATA ON MY WEBPAGE TO SERVE MORE ADS" as the syntax so that SQL is readable
15:20:39 <fizzie> That sounds a little like one of those window definitions.
15:20:53 <fizzie> ROWS BETWEEN UNBOUNDED PRECEDING AND 5 FOLLOWING EXCLUDE CURRENT ROW and so on.
15:24:17 <wib_jonas> in a saner version of SQL, most of those words would be optional, like [OFFSET 0 [ROW|ROWS]] FETCH [NEXT|FIRST] 50 [ROW|ROWS] [ONLY]. MS SQL allows the alternate keywords, but not omitting any of them.
15:26:05 <wib_jonas> (they should have added more synonyms, so SEEK 0 ROWS ACQUIRE FIRST 50 ROWS MERELY works too)\
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15:35:33 <wib_jonas> SQL should gain some Intercal features, they're a good combination in syntax and arcanness of rules. REINSTATE UPDATING for example, but more importantly randomization percentages so you can make constraints that are enforced only 90% of the time, or triggers that trigger only 10% of the time.
15:39:34 <wib_jonas> also new conflict handling strategies: INSERT OR FORGET and INSERT OR RESUME
15:51:51 <int-e> Well I hope they're having fun.
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15:56:41 <FireFly> wib_jonas: "select top x ..." is what I've heard of/seen done before, at least
15:57:12 <FireFly> SQL is possibly the one spec that is even less standardised than IRC lol
15:57:31 <FireFly> in that there is a standard and everyone promptly ignores it and reality doesn't match it very well
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16:09:54 <wib_jonas> FireFly: as far as I understand there's a standard and implementations mostly follow it, but the standard specifies so few features that everyone needs to use lots of extensions. Imagine if you wish the C standard with its standard library, plus a thousand vendor libraries.
16:11:36 <FireFly> I guess something like that, though I think there's also spec things that some implementations just diverged on early and now that ecosystem is set in its ways
16:12:02 <FireFly> I guess there's less of like, "library code useful between implementations" compared to conventional programming languages
16:12:50 <wib_jonas> and then https://xkcd.com/927/ I guess
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20:01:40 <zzo38> I think that they should allow to abbreviate "ROWS BETWEEN UNBOUNDED PRECEDING AND UNBOUNDED FOLLOWING" as "ALL ROWS", but they don't.
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21:54:20 <zzo38> You can make triggers that only trigger 10% of the time in SQL if you use WHEN RANDOM(). However, being able to ABSTAIN and REINSTATE might sometimes be useful, including to prevent all triggers from firing; being able to specify this as a part of the statement causing the triggers to fire (so that it doesn't fire) might be the way to be done.
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