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02:01:45 <int-e> It boggles my mind that http://paste.debian.net/1289972/ in a tight loop executes in under 7 cycles per iteration here. (x86_64; part of the solution is that the compiler reads state[y][x-1] ... state[y][x+1] in a single instruction since misaligned reads are supported by the hardware. But the loop is still 23 instructions long.)
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05:59:28 <ais523> int-e: that seems plausible as long as the loop is hardware-prefetchable; you get four instructions per CPU cycle nowadays as long as enough of them are cheap, and there are lots of cheap instructions there like bitwise-ands and bitshifts
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06:01:07 <ais523> actually the only expensive instructions I see are the reads and writes, and CPUs can still do 2 of those per cycle if it's purely to the L1 cache (more if it vectorises)
06:01:47 <ais523> L2 is 1 per 2 cycles, IIRC, but the CPU can still do other things while the read/write is in flight
06:07:02 <ais523> I wonder whether the compiler is optimising the read of state[y][x-1] to reuse a value from the previous loop iteration rather than trying to read the value it just wrote to memory? that sort of "write then immediately read" pattern is not friendly to CPUs, if you try to do it too quickly it has to stall one of the execution ports to make it work
06:07:33 <ais523> although maybe it naturally comes late enough to avoid the stall
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08:07:16 <citrons> oh, that's where I recognized the name.
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10:43:10 <isabella> i have an oracle that told me that my two turing machines both halt, but they take trillions of years to complete. can i tell if they're equivalent?
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11:23:07 <FireFly> I can't imagine one could do so in less than linear time since surely one would have to inspect all states to prove or disprove that they're equivalent
11:23:32 <int-e> ais523: There's no data reusage between iteration, but it's only 4 memory reads because three of the reads are combined into one. And yeah,there is plenty of parallelism in there for a CPU to exploit, and prefetching will work perfectly. But that doesn't stop me from being amazed :-)
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12:05:17 <esolangs> [[User:Quito0567]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=114309&oldid=114269 * None1 * (-49) I don't dislike Scratch programs nor Scratch programmers, but I dislike programming in Scratch
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12:31:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=114321&oldid=114318 * None1 * (-36) /* Note about dislike of Scratch */ But my dislike is only the language itself.
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13:05:50 <esolangs> [[XD]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=114336 * None1 * (+750) Created page with "XD is an esolang created by [[User:None1]]. It is a [[brainfuck]] equivalent. ==Commands== {{bfequiv|add=XD|sub=XD|loop=XD|eloop=XD|left=XD|right=XD|in=XD|out=XD|langname=XD}} ==Examples== ===Cat=== XDXDXDXDXD ===Hello World=== XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD
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15:04:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:C2BF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=114360&oldid=79775 * Pro465 * (+228) answer questions regarding c2bf's repo link
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15:48:59 <esolangs> [[User:Jrincayc]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=114362 * Jrincayc * (+166) initial page
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15:58:29 <esolangs> [[Pico Scheme]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=114363 * Jrincayc * (+438) Initial page
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17:59:28 <b_jonas> esolangs? is your webserver okay?
18:00:00 <int-e> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
18:01:24 <int-e> Ah, it's originally a ColorfulGalaxy page, that explains the weird contents.
18:03:04 <int-e> b_jonas: hmm, I guess the wiki is fine, but the logs aren't.
18:03:44 <int-e> though the /web/ server seems fine, judging by https://logs.esolangs.org/
18:06:36 <fizzie> Well, there's web servers and then there's web servers.
18:06:52 <int-e> it's a confusing web of servers
18:07:01 <fizzie> There's a nginx in front serving that index page, and then it proxies to a CivetWeb "embedded" web server for the logs.
18:09:18 <fizzie> The log files are fine too (that line I just said shows up in there), so it's probably just the server.
18:10:03 <fizzie> It used to hang up a lot when people were using stalker mode, due to a thing that I suspect was a bug in the CivetWeb websocket server, but after I updated the dependency it hasn't been doing that in a long while.
18:11:01 <fizzie> I'll just restart it once and see if the problem persists.
18:11:50 <fizzie> Hmm, that's less promising. It's still not responding.
18:12:15 <fizzie> There *were* two immediate new websocket connections to it though, right as it restarted. So maybe it's got something to do with stalker mode again.
18:14:28 <fizzie> Yeah, I think so. I commented out the proxy rule for ^/([^/]+/stalker\.ws)$ and restarted it once more, and now it seems to be working.
18:14:40 <fizzie> (Well, except for stalker mode, obviously.)
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18:16:47 <int-e> (sorry for that earlier "aargh" btw; I had misread a diff and though people were adding [citation needed] superscripts (not even templates) on the esowiki but it was a removal)
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18:27:35 <fizzie> Once I have a moment, I'll try to update CivetWeb again to see if I can get stalker mode working again for one more year, or something.
18:28:30 <fizzie> It's using version 1.13, and it looks like they're up to 1.16 now.
18:29:37 <fizzie> (Though the release notes do not suggest there have been any fixes for websockets in the interim.)
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18:30:13 <fizzie> I think I was also planning to build the binary with debug symbols so that next time it hangs up the same way, I can poke at it with a debugger more easily.
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20:53:01 <ais523> fizzie: I had a stalker mode tab open through that, and it cut off after "<fizzie> There *were* two immediate new websocket connections to it though, right as it restarted. So maybe it's got something to do with stalker mode again."
20:53:18 <ais523> …so presumably up until the point that stalker mode got disabled
20:53:45 <ais523> I have also been having serious Internet issues over the past couple of weeks (with my Internet being even weirder than normal) so perhaps my connection messed things up somehow?
20:54:30 <ais523> (just mentioning this in case it helps to debug)
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