00:04:05 -!- mtm has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds).
00:05:46 -!- mtm has joined.
00:13:40 -!- X-Scale has quit (Quit: Client closed).
00:39:27 -!- X-Scale has joined.
01:10:03 -!- unjust has quit (Quit: leaving).
01:32:54 -!- amby has quit (Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement).
01:34:19 -!- X-Scale has quit (Quit: Client closed).
01:55:55 <esolangs> [[User:DGCK81LNN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138063&oldid=81117 * DGCK81LNN * (+23340)
01:58:53 <esolangs> [[Wenyan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138064&oldid=136870 * DGCK81LNN * (-489) /* Interpreter */
02:00:53 <esolangs> [[Wenyan]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138065&oldid=138064 * DGCK81LNN * (+74) /* (Nope.) Interpreter */
02:13:11 <esolangs> [[User:DGCK81LNN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138066&oldid=138063 * DGCK81LNN * (-6) /* RBF*ck */
02:19:24 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: sorry about my connection).
02:19:37 -!- ais523 has joined.
02:39:13 -!- X-Scale has joined.
02:45:33 -!- Argorok has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds).
02:45:35 -!- yuu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
02:45:42 -!- yuu has joined.
02:45:55 -!- integral has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds).
02:46:08 -!- dnm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
02:46:19 -!- Argorok has joined.
02:46:20 -!- dnm has joined.
02:46:21 -!- integral has joined.
02:54:24 <korvo> I'm about to add the URL https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Cat to a page. fizzie, would you please consider adding this to the interwiki list? I figure that they are potential friends, and I know some of them are alright folks.
02:55:26 <ais523> I'm not sure how much we even use the interwiki list – there are a few uses of wikipedia: but I think consensus is for the prefix to be visible
02:57:49 <ais523> the external link might be more useful even if the internal link is added to the list? it isn't obvious to me that "concatenative:Cat" (internal link) is more useful than "Cat at concatenative.org" (external link) for readers
02:57:53 <korvo> I dimly remember fizzie adding something for me, likely the Lojban wiki. I just thought it'd be a neighborly thing, that's all.
02:58:26 <ais523> I have no objections to it being on the list, just don't think the change would do anything
02:59:04 <ais523> (also, what is that wiki's name? it has a URL but doesn't appear to have a visible name anywhere, e.g. the homepage title is "Front Page")
02:59:16 <esolangs> [[User:TheCanon2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138067&oldid=136047 * TheCanon2 * (+12)
02:59:31 <ais523> (also, I wonder whether I should add Underload)
02:59:41 <esolangs> [[Cat (Language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138068&oldid=138055 * Corbin * (+109) Link to the other Cat. No opinion on how our top-level namespace should accommodate its existence.
03:00:24 <korvo> I think it's called "the concatenative languages wiki". I guess I should start idling in their channel again.
03:02:12 <ais523> cat(1) can also be interpreted as a programming language (https://esolangs.org/wiki/Text)
03:02:27 <ais523> so that's three languages which could plausibly be called "cat"
03:02:44 * ais523 vaguely wonders how many plausible extensions you need to add to cat(1) to make it Turing-complete
03:04:06 <ais523> I did once find a denial-of-service bug in xterm where you could cat a particular sequence of bytes into the terminal and it would enter an infinite loop – does that make Text non-total? (I reported it, and it's been fixed for ages)
03:09:38 <korvo> I've asked in #concatenative. Once I get a response, I'll edit that page and I suppose add see-alsos for a few overlapping langs too.
03:12:40 <ais523> now I am wondering whether Jelly is concatenative (assuming you ignore the rules for disambiguating ambiguous syntax, which take the entire line into account)
03:13:04 <ais523> it makes me think that there's a continuous range between fully concatenative and fully applicative, and Jelly is on the "mostly concatenative" location
03:15:07 <ais523> I guess the thing that makes it not fully concatenative is that if a function has two arguments, you can't split the function from its adjacent argument, but you can split the function-argument pair from everything else
03:17:36 -!- craigo has quit (Quit: Leaving).
03:21:42 <esolangs> [[Cat (Language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138069&oldid=138068 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) :
03:27:59 <korvo> The way I think of it is that a language is generalized-concatenative if it's got a syntactic monoid, and the classical definition is when the monoid has "" as unit.
03:29:53 <korvo> Or " " for some of them. Or maybe "\n" for sanity. And etc. It's become looser over time, but ISTR that something Cammy-shaped wouldn't ever fly because bracketing is an unacceptable complexity.
03:30:21 <ais523> Jelly does have that (if you allow for its idiosyncratic way of showing precedence) but you can't split just anywhere
03:31:21 <ais523> and in particular it doesn't seem to have or simulate a stack
03:31:48 <ais523> (except for the call stack)
03:39:29 <korvo> Oh, yeah. Most concatenative languages don't allow splitting; that's something else entirely. Like, Forth doesn't allow splitting because of the interpreter/compiler modes.
03:39:37 <korvo> To say nothing of ." quotation "
04:09:46 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit).
04:25:48 -!- wWwwW has joined.
04:35:45 -!- X-Scale has quit (Quit: Client closed).
04:58:00 -!- wWwwW has quit (Quit: Client closed).
05:08:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Rhythm game statistics * New user account
05:11:43 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138070&oldid=137993 * Rhythm game statistics * (+175)
06:25:45 -!- tromp has joined.
07:29:03 -!- X-Scale has joined.
07:40:07 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…).
07:49:51 -!- tromp has joined.
07:55:04 <esolangs> [[WISC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138071&oldid=122878 * Ractangle * (+5) the image is too big
08:19:50 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
08:26:35 -!- __monty__ has joined.
09:00:37 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138072&oldid=138045 * Ractangle * (+3) /* Syntax */
09:01:04 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138073&oldid=138072 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Syntax */
09:04:27 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138074&oldid=137381 * Ractangle * (+170) /* examples */
09:13:02 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138075&oldid=138074 * Ractangle * (+104) /* syntax */
09:15:53 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138076&oldid=138075 * Ractangle * (-7) /* syntax */
09:18:50 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138077&oldid=138027 * Ractangle * (+16)
09:19:36 <fizzie> I'll just enable the Interwiki extension, that'll allow any sysop to edit the list + I don't have to run raw SQL insert statements. Looks like it comes bundled in the standard distribution nowadays.
09:19:53 <fizzie> (Sometime later today, currently at the dentist.)
09:20:43 <esolangs> [[User:DGCK81LNN/vector-2022.js]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138078 * DGCK81LNN * (+100) Created page with "$( "meta[name=viewport]" ).attr( "content", "width=device-width, initial-scale=1, minimum-scale=1" )"
09:21:37 <fizzie> You know how people always refer to things disparagingly as "Big X", like there's Big Oil and Big Pharma and so on? I wonder if there's a group of people who believe a cabal of dentists is manipulating people, would that get called Big Tooth?
09:23:11 <fizzie> Anthropogenic teeth decay is just a lie from Big Tooth.
09:24:57 <esolangs> [[Poetic.BCT]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138079&oldid=138022 * None1 * (-20)
09:25:15 <esolangs> [[User:DGCK81LNN/common.css]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138080 * DGCK81LNN * (+27) Created page with "pre { overflow-x: auto; }"
09:28:06 <esolangs> [[User:DGCK81LNN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138081&oldid=138066 * DGCK81LNN * (-11003) fix wrong version of jvavscript brainfuck interpreter code
09:30:49 <esolangs> [[User:DGCK81LNN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138082&oldid=138081 * DGCK81LNN * (+38) /* JvavScript */
09:33:51 <esolangs> [[Caca]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138083&oldid=129403 * Ractangle * (+50) /* Trivia */
09:42:40 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138084&oldid=138049 * None1 * (+455)
10:00:22 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Unname4798 * moved [[Poetic]] to [[Poetic (family)]]
10:00:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Unname4798 * moved [[Poetic (family)]] to [[Poetic (esolang)]]
10:01:52 <esolangs> [[Poetic (family)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138089&oldid=138088 * Unname4798 * (-30) Blanked the page
10:03:06 <esolangs> [[Poetic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138090&oldid=138086 * Unname4798 * (+77) Removed redirect to [[Poetic (family)]]
10:05:06 <esolangs> [[Poetic (family)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138091&oldid=138089 * Unname4798 * (+169)
10:05:37 <esolangs> [[Poetic (family)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138092&oldid=138091 * Unname4798 * (+0)
10:06:00 <esolangs> [[Poetic.BCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138093&oldid=138079 * Unname4798 * (+0)
10:06:15 <esolangs> [[Poetic.BCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138094&oldid=138093 * Unname4798 * (+16)
10:06:54 <esolangs> [[Poetic (family)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138095&oldid=138092 * Unname4798 * (+64)
10:07:01 <esolangs> [[Poetic (family)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138096&oldid=138095 * Unname4798 * (+1)
10:07:11 <esolangs> [[Poetic (family)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138097&oldid=138096 * Unname4798 * (+1)
10:07:35 <esolangs> [[Poetic (family)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138098&oldid=138097 * Unname4798 * (+17)
10:08:02 <esolangs> [[Poetic (family)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138099&oldid=138098 * Unname4798 * (+29)
10:08:15 <esolangs> [[Poetic (family)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138100&oldid=138099 * Unname4798 * (+3)
10:08:55 <esolangs> [[Poetic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138101&oldid=138090 * Unname4798 * (+0)
10:09:04 <esolangs> [[Poetic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138102&oldid=138101 * Unname4798 * (+0)
10:09:13 <esolangs> [[Poetic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138103&oldid=138102 * Unname4798 * (+1)
10:13:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138104&oldid=138084 * Unname4798 * (-3412) None1 was right
10:34:01 -!- wib_jonas has joined.
10:34:07 <wib_jonas> fizzie: https://www.xkcd.com/2130/
10:52:46 <esolangs> [[Empty Program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138105&oldid=136457 * Ractangle * (+10)
10:59:15 -!- vms14 has joined.
10:59:42 <vms14> here is where the weirdest ideas come true
11:00:11 <esolangs> [[Comments]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138106 * Ractangle * (+184) Created page with "{{stub}} '''Comments''' are a part of a programme to explain something either a part of code or something else This page is going to talk about on how do you make comments in esolangs"
11:09:43 <esolangs> [[Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138107&oldid=138106 * None1 * (+447)
11:11:43 <esolangs> [[Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138108&oldid=138107 * None1 * (+256)
11:11:56 <esolangs> [[Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138109&oldid=138108 * None1 * (+1) /* Languages with halting instructions */
11:12:19 <esolangs> [[Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138110&oldid=138109 * None1 * (+23) /* Languages with halting instructions */
11:12:36 <esolangs> [[Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138111&oldid=138110 * None1 * (+30) /* Languages with halting instructions */
11:13:30 <esolangs> [[Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138112&oldid=138111 * None1 * (+0)
11:30:41 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * UrnEn * New user account
11:37:19 <esolangs> [[Never Gonna Give You Up]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138113&oldid=128882 * None1 * (+156) /* External resources */
11:44:36 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138114&oldid=137639 * PrySigneToFry * (+34)
11:46:10 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138115&oldid=138114 * PrySigneToFry * (-10)
11:47:04 <esolangs> [[Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138116&oldid=138112 * Ractangle * (-77)
11:53:25 <esolangs> [[Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138117&oldid=138116 * Ractangle * (+127) /* Befunge */
11:55:19 <esolangs> [[Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138118&oldid=138117 * Ractangle * (+34) /* Python */
11:58:49 <esolangs> [[Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138119&oldid=138118 * Ractangle * (-2)
12:04:44 -!- mtm has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds).
12:05:59 -!- mtm has joined.
12:06:31 -!- amby has joined.
12:09:46 -!- vms14 has left.
12:16:27 <esolangs> [[User:GUAqwq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138120&oldid=137251 * GUAqwq * (+14)
12:34:23 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined.
12:35:20 -!- X-Scale has quit (Quit: Client closed).
12:46:28 <esolangs> [[Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138121&oldid=138119 * Ractangle * (+20)
12:48:07 <esolangs> [[Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138122&oldid=138121 * Ractangle * (+19)
12:51:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138123&oldid=115903 * Ractangle * (+12)
12:56:55 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138124&oldid=135855 * Ractangle * (-113) /* Python interpreters */
12:59:06 -!- wWwwW has joined.
13:03:20 -!- X-Scale has joined.
13:14:38 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138125&oldid=138035 * Yayimhere * (+5) /* ZOMBIE */ added link
13:16:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:Wierd Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138126&oldid=136272 * Yayimhere * (+30) /* turth machine */
13:19:05 <esolangs> [[Wierd Machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138127&oldid=54543 * Yayimhere * (+22) /* Truth-machine */ its not the shortest truth machine)
13:46:57 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).
14:03:16 <esolangs> [[User:GUAqwq/TCproof to Lambda calculus]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138128 * GUAqwq * (+2557) Created page with "One of my friend doubted whether ''lambda-calculus'' is ''Turing complete''.So I proved it. Here's my solution: == Recursion == Y := \f.(\x.f(x x))(\x.f(x x)) =><code>Y f = f(Y f)</code> == Boolean == True := \x y.x False := \x y.y N
14:04:05 <esolangs> [[User:GUAqwq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138129&oldid=138120 * GUAqwq * (+70) /* Articles */
14:11:58 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138130&oldid=138070 * UrnEn * (+154) /* Introductions */
14:14:23 <esolangs> [[User:GUAqwq/TCproof to Lambda calculus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138131&oldid=138128 * Yayimhere * (+41) added the lambdas
14:14:39 -!- Sgeo has joined.
14:32:10 <esolangs> [[Poetic (family)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138132&oldid=138100 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-5) Convert to list
14:32:35 <esolangs> [[Poetic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138133&oldid=138103 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-4) Convert to list
14:39:17 <esolangs> [[Poetic.BCT]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138134&oldid=138094 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+211) Converter, category
14:52:17 <esolangs> [[Nope. with no quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138135&oldid=137760 * Ractangle * (-90)
14:52:34 <esolangs> [[Nope. with no quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138136&oldid=138135 * Ractangle * (-110) /* Cheating quine */
15:01:20 <esolangs> [[Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138137&oldid=138122 * Ractangle * (+253) /* Python */
15:07:03 <esolangs> [[Windows]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138138&oldid=138016 * PrySigneToFry * (+0)
15:10:22 <esolangs> [[Try]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138139 * Yourusername * (+180) Created page with "Try is a esolang where you write esolang specs to code == Commands == [name] is a esolang where you [val] : set name to value <nowiki>== [Topic] ==</nowiki> : define a proceedure"
15:14:24 -!- ais523 has joined.
15:18:53 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again3]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138140 * PrySigneToFry * (+762) Created page with "ORK: Are you going crazy? {{PSTF's Version|PSTF Origin|[[Translated ORK/PSTF Again2]]}} 1. "PrOgRaM" <pre> their legs difficulty difficulty difficulty "Room" is a joke. Sadiraki Sara Sarachio's Luvanou It's a bit confusing. Orbis Repanos Pasciu
15:20:02 <wWwwW> i have a question to all of you. is the infinite loop a looping counter?: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bijection
15:20:44 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138141&oldid=137772 * PrySigneToFry * (+74)
15:23:52 -!- mtm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
15:24:35 -!- mtm has joined.
15:27:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138142&oldid=137821 * PrySigneToFry * (+329)
15:28:17 <ais523> wWwwW: I don't see how the "infinite loop" example is actually a loop – doesn't it become "{{}0}0" but with the instruction pointer at the end of the command?
15:28:47 <wWwwW> i need to specify that it runs whats inside
15:29:02 <ais523> ah, that makes more sense
15:29:06 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138143&oldid=136694 * Yayimhere * (+31)
15:29:10 <esolangs> [[Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138144&oldid=138137 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+496) Copyediting, category
15:29:19 <ais523> so {}n appends a copy of line n to what's inside the brackets, and then runs what's inside the brackets
15:29:49 <esolangs> [[Comments]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138145&oldid=138144 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-254) /* CLFCE */ Remove duplicate section
15:30:32 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138146&oldid=138142 * PrySigneToFry * (+442)
15:30:43 <wWwwW> so it would be a looping counter right?
15:31:07 <ais523> I'm trying to work out how to get the exact triangle shape that's required
15:31:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138147&oldid=138146 * PrySigneToFry * (+31)
15:31:34 <ais523> the {}0 program isn't a looping counter because it grows exponentially, not triangularly
15:31:57 <wWwwW> doesnt it still proove it has more power than a LBA?
15:32:34 <ais523> it probably does, but it doesn't prove it because it doesn't prove there's a way to actually read the data that's being stored
15:33:01 <wWwwW> but if it has to read data as a rule then. it would right?
15:33:07 <ais523> and in this sort of language, finding a way to read data is often harder to find a way to write it
15:33:55 <ais523> I would encourage you to leave the language the same, it's interesting as it is – or maybe change "append" to "prepend", that might be necessary to make control flow possible
15:34:18 <ais523> imagine a program like {{}0}1 \n x
15:34:19 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138148&oldid=138143 * Yayimhere * (+1)
15:34:49 <wWwwW> my brain is proccesing that
15:35:57 <ais523> oh, I just realised this language doesn't have any sort of goto, so the only line that actually changes is the first one (until it finishes running), meaning that any TCness has to come from just a single line
15:36:11 <ais523> which might well be possible but it reduces the chance a bit
15:36:26 <wWwwW> unless you do concurrency
15:36:34 <wWwwW> or only run the first line then the second so on
15:36:39 <wWwwW> then reruns until it halts
15:38:28 <ais523> hmm, an implicit loop is also possible
15:38:49 <ais523> no, I mean, what you were talking about is an implicit loop
15:38:54 <ais523> where the program starts again after reaching the end
15:39:52 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138149&oldid=138148 * Yayimhere * (+126)
15:40:33 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox/TEST3]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138150 * PrySigneToFry * (+1226) Created page with "[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;"></span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;"></span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;"></span>]][
15:41:13 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138151&oldid=136944 * PrySigneToFry * (+45)
15:45:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138152&oldid=137109 * PrySigneToFry * (+609) /* */ new section
15:49:03 -!- craigo has joined.
15:58:07 -!- X-Scale has quit (Quit: Client closed).
16:02:07 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…).
16:02:46 -!- X-Scale has joined.
16:14:20 <wWwwW> i spesified some more
16:14:59 <ais523> I don't think "no changes happen" is even possible, is it?
16:15:21 <ais523> unless all the commands refer to blank lines, and if the program doesn't start in that state it can never reach that state
16:15:28 <wWwwW> what should i do to the halts
16:15:50 <ais523> I think, with a language like this, you should probably just resign yourself to it running indefinitely, and let people define their own halt state to prove TCness
16:16:09 <ais523> and when there is a proof that "it would be TC if behaviour X was treated as a halt", then you can add the halt to the language
16:17:27 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138153&oldid=138149 * Yayimhere * (-25)
16:19:34 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138154&oldid=138153 * Yayimhere * (+42) /* examples */
16:20:16 <wWwwW> now do you think a looping counter is possible?
16:21:27 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138155&oldid=138154 * Yayimhere * (+27)
16:23:57 -!- tromp has joined.
16:27:42 <ais523> wWwwW: yes, {}1 \n (print *) \n (print \n) would be a looping counter in that version of the language (apart from the first line), if it had a print statement
16:28:48 <wWwwW> wouldnt it just work anyway
16:31:01 <ais523> but having the print statements makes it easier to describe
16:31:32 <wWwwW> ig you would include it
16:31:42 <wWwwW> the prints are for clarity
16:34:55 <wWwwW> and if so should i give credit?
16:37:44 -!- wWwwW has quit (Quit: Client closed).
16:40:27 <b_jonas> you can always define multiple variants of a language together on one page, like if you want the support for print statements optional.
16:55:07 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138156&oldid=137978 * DGCK81LNN * (+6578)
17:12:58 -!- wWwwW has joined.
17:17:51 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138157&oldid=138155 * Yayimhere * (+179)
17:18:21 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138158&oldid=138157 * Yayimhere * (+28) /* examples */
17:19:20 -!- m5zs7k_ has joined.
17:19:39 -!- m5zs7k has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
17:20:28 <esolangs> [[Iframe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138159&oldid=119594 * PkmnQ * (+478) Less annoying syntax for when I implement this
17:27:53 -!- m5zs7k_ has changed nick to m5zs7k.
17:28:47 <esolangs> [[Nope]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138160&oldid=137037 * Yayimhere * (+1)
17:35:06 <esolangs> [[WhatLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138161&oldid=138156 * DGCK81LNN * (+1664)
17:37:32 <esolangs> [[Assembolge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138162&oldid=137935 * Ractangle * (+175)
18:05:32 <esolangs> [[Ridewith]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138163 * Yayimhere * (+787) Created page with "'''Ridewith''' is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] for creating ascii art == memory == memory is a grid(infinite) with a pointer starting at <code>(0, 0)</code>. the places the pointer goes are drawn on == syntax == there is dis syntax: ''start direction'' (
18:06:28 <wWwwW> i made dat horrible thing^
18:07:49 <esolangs> [[Ridewith]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138164&oldid=138163 * Yayimhere * (+4)
18:11:24 <esolangs> [[Ridewith]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138165&oldid=138164 * Yayimhere * (+24)
18:35:10 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…).
18:43:25 -!- yan-kobarenko has joined.
18:53:18 <esolangs> [[Enwokenment]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138166 * Hakerh400 * (+1678) +[[Enwokenment]]
18:53:47 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138167&oldid=137925 * Hakerh400 * (+18) +[[Enwokenment]]
18:53:50 -!- yan-kobarenko has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
18:53:59 <esolangs> [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138168&oldid=137204 * Hakerh400 * (+18) +[[Enwokenment]]
19:04:42 -!- tromp has joined.
19:16:40 -!- Thelie has joined.
19:28:03 <esolangs> [[Enwokenment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138169&oldid=138166 * Ais523 * (+985) explain why this is TC (it has the category already)
19:28:17 <esolangs> [[FRACTRAN]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138170 * Ais523 * (+22) caps redirect
19:29:02 <ais523> wWwwW: I'm not sure I'm in the right frame of mind for looking at esolangs right now
19:33:02 <esolangs> [[Comments]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138171&oldid=138145 * Ractangle * (+73)
19:33:27 -!- wWwwW has quit (Quit: Client closed).
19:35:52 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138172&oldid=137890 * Ractangle * (+20) /* Other things */
19:36:21 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138173&oldid=138172 * Ractangle * (-17) /* Other things */
19:38:20 <esolangs> [[Enwokenment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138174&oldid=138169 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Fix year
19:39:38 <esolangs> [[Ridewith]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138175&oldid=138165 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) Category
19:40:54 <esolangs> [[Try]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138176&oldid=138139 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+33) Stub, category
19:54:59 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138177&oldid=138158 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+51) Categories
19:59:49 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit).
20:18:21 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138178&oldid=138104 * Tommyaweosme * (+3595)
20:23:29 <esolangs> [[Opal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138179&oldid=137936 * Ractangle * (+72)
20:34:44 <esolangs> [[4ME]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138180&oldid=137011 * Ractangle * (-9)
20:36:33 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138181&oldid=136368 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Looping counter */
20:37:41 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138182&oldid=138181 * Ractangle * (+31)
20:41:16 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138183&oldid=138182 * Ractangle * (+23) /* Looping counter */
20:42:44 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138184&oldid=138183 * Ractangle * (+31) /* Infinite loop */
20:43:08 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138185&oldid=138184 * Ractangle * (+4) /* Infinite loop */
20:44:27 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138186&oldid=138185 * Ractangle * (+32) /* Truth-machine */
20:45:18 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138187&oldid=138186 * Ractangle * (+11) /* Looping counter */
20:46:36 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138188&oldid=138187 * Ractangle * (+35) /* Deadfish implementation */
20:46:56 <esolangs> [[G Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138189&oldid=138188 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Looping counter */
20:47:59 <esolangs> [[Deadfish/Implementations (nonalphabetic and A-L)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138190&oldid=136830 * Ractangle * (+20) /* G# */
20:49:29 <esolangs> [[Deadfish with gotos and input]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138191&oldid=137862 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1065) Interpreter, see also, categories
20:57:15 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…).
22:17:51 -!- __monty__ has quit (Quit: leaving).
22:35:56 -!- Thelie has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
23:03:22 <zzo38> Currently in a mahjong program I have: typedef struct { char*name; uint16_t value; } Name; it is used with tsearch. However, this requires two allocations and some extra space for the pointer, and it might be better to instead: typedef struct { uint16_t value; char name[0]; } Name;
23:05:23 <zzo38> The search key in this program will always be the same static buffer, so it could use some otherwise unused address to denote that, or to subtract sizeof(uint16_t) from the address of that buffer and somehow force the compiler to make that work (being valid if used in this way and not null).