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00:20:45 <esolangs> [[NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138200&oldid=137988 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+155) Link, categories
00:21:11 <esolangs> [[NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138201&oldid=138200 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+28) Category
00:22:16 <esolangs> [[NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138202&oldid=137477 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+117) See also
00:56:40 <esolangs> [[+-)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138203&oldid=122375 * None1 * (+219)
01:06:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bfos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138204&oldid=113882 * None1 * (+311)
01:07:55 <esolangs> [[NameError without a quine with a quine without a quine with a quine without a quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138205&oldid=138202 * None1 * (+113) /* See also */
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01:31:09 <Sgeo> What CPUs have emulation modes? x86 architecture is infamous for that, 65816 has an emulation mode for 6502 (or some variation I think)
01:36:48 <esolangs> [[Trilangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138206&oldid=112452 * Bbrk24 * (-111) Trilangle can interpret Qdeql
01:40:25 <fizzie> The eZ80 has a "classic Z80" mode, I think. (Quite different from the native "ADL mode" in which the 16-bit register become 24-bit ones.)
01:44:29 <fizzie> Not sure if ARM's 32-bit execution state on AArch64 counts, maybe.
02:58:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Velato]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138207&oldid=31126 * None1 * (+126) /* Music images */ new section
02:58:24 <esolangs> [[Talk:Velato]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138208&oldid=138207 * None1 * (+235) /* Music images */
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03:39:22 <esolangs> [[Template:OLoP]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138210 * PrySigneToFry * (+105) Created page with ":''This page is written by the language {{{1}}}, and the version of language {{{2}}} is at [[{{{3}}}]].''"
03:39:45 <esolangs> [[Enwokenment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138211&oldid=138174 * Hakerh400 * (+6)
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03:52:51 <esolangs> [[Translated Shakespeare/PSTF]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138215 * PrySigneToFry * (+4973) Created page with "1. Program <pre> The Infamous Hello World Program. Romeo, a young man with a remarkable patience. Juliet, a likewise young woman of remarkable grace. Ophelia, a remarkable woman much in dispute with Hamlet. Hamlet, the flatterer of Andersen In
03:54:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138216&oldid=138006 * PrySigneToFry * (+524)
03:55:31 <esolangs> [[Translated Shakespeare/PSTF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138217&oldid=138215 * PrySigneToFry * (+8)
03:59:02 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry/My Decimal Number]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138218 * PrySigneToFry * (+1091) Created page with "It calls "The PSTF constant" and its symbol is . 2.561765029376982639476905739572392398749348647654346788698569836928685656575656559200198249263159047584721586234075946897315867407907847846941795720456298375091247679407723064907438724
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04:04:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138220&oldid=136579 * PrySigneToFry * (+588) /* Translate it even scarier if thouyou want. */ new section
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05:30:50 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138223&oldid=138177 * Yayimhere * (+122)
05:32:46 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138224&oldid=138223 * Yayimhere * (+105)
05:36:11 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Unknown computational class]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138225 * Yayimhere * (+266) Created page with "i think this should have a sub category for things that have a high chance of being TC and must be at least close to it. like esolangs that has a [[Looping counter]] made in it ~~~~"
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06:35:47 <esolangs> [[ResPlicate]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138227&oldid=53514 * Yayimhere * (+24) /* Counting Up From Zero (in Unary) */
06:47:09 <esolangs> [[CASTLE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138228&oldid=92236 * Yayimhere * (-33) /* Examples */ Circute is on wiki
06:48:49 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Yayimhere * uploaded "[[File:Kicky BCT logo.jpg]]"
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06:50:01 <wWwwW> ^^hate of humanity confirmed^^
06:56:11 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138231&oldid=138209 * Yayimhere * (+124) /* bring back the old sandbox war */
07:04:41 <esolangs> [[FizzLang Unbounded]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138232 * Yayimhere * (+320) Created page with "'''FizzLang Unbounded''' is a simple variant of [[FizzLang]]. the original esolang was created by [[User:Mihai Popa]] and this variant is by [[User:Yayimhere]] == the change(yea there's only one) == now the: 1 -> 100 would not be there. there would just be
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07:55:47 <wWwwW> i have a qeustion. souldnt a looping counter starting at ** isntead of * proove the same things right?
08:02:51 <esolangs> [[Kicky BCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138238&oldid=138237 * Yayimhere * (+161)
08:05:11 <esolangs> [[Kicky BCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138239&oldid=138238 * Yayimhere * (-36) /* random examples */
08:05:56 <esolangs> [[Kicky BCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138240&oldid=138239 * Yayimhere * (-16) /* what has changed? */
08:21:23 <esolangs> [[Chance]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138241&oldid=78318 * Yayimhere * (-5) needs to show the User part in user page link
08:22:14 <esolangs> [[Deadfish 2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138242&oldid=135327 * Yayimhere * (-5) needs to show the User part in user page link
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08:43:19 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138244&oldid=138243 * PrySigneToFry * (+0) Change the time post
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10:17:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry/My Decimal Number]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138257 * Unname4798 * (+214) Created page with "What is the formula for PSTF's number? ~~~"
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10:38:08 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138260&oldid=135904 * ZachChecksOutEsolangs * (+201)
10:39:08 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138261&oldid=138260 * ZachChecksOutEsolangs * (-1)
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12:47:52 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138263&oldid=138231 * Tommyaweosme * (+182) /* bring back the old sandbox war */
13:14:55 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Unknown computational class]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138264&oldid=138225 * Corbin * (+570) Cool idea, but probably not feasible.
13:26:56 <fizzie> Okay, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Interwiki is now available for anyone to read, and for admins to modify.
13:31:16 <fizzie> I feel like there's so many links in that table, some of them must have died since then.
13:33:27 <int-e> groups.google.com still exists? :P
13:33:46 <fizzie> I'd add that aforementioned concatenative.org but I don't know if the interwiki prefix should be `cat`, `concat` or `concatenative`.
13:34:07 <fizzie> We use groups.google.com a lot internally, unsurprisingly.
13:34:09 <int-e> there's cache but no archive.org prefix... odd
13:34:25 <fizzie> (Maybe that's why the product hasn't been killed entirely?)
13:34:33 <fizzie> It's less useful now that it no longer functions as a Usenet frontend.
13:34:39 <int-e> The only thing I've ever used groups.google.com for was as an NNTP archive and I think that part is long gone.
13:35:53 <fizzie> All the entries in "My groups" at groups.google.com for my personal Gmail account are acting as ACL lists for dogfooding prerelease versions of different Google things.
13:36:26 <int-e> is there any downside to disabling forwarding for everything?
13:37:08 <int-e> (I don't mind the idea that those destinations are trusted, but I wonder what legitimate purpose these forwards really serve in the esolang context.)
13:37:51 <int-e> anyway, no real complaints
13:38:06 <int-e> also I wouldn't consider myself a heavy user of the wiki
13:38:56 <int-e> "A user with 231 edits. Account created on 27 September 2015."
13:39:11 <fizzie> You can write shorter links using the prefix, and it'd be possible to update them all at once if the destination changes their URLs, I imagine that's the primary advantage. Which is only relevant if people want to write such links and know about the feature, of course.
13:39:45 <fizzie> I'm sure we got the list from some list of defaults back when originally installing MediaWiki without thinking about it too much.
13:39:48 <int-e> But wouldn't the wiki expand them for you?
13:45:01 <fizzie> Oh, I didn't know what the "forward" column does. Yeah, the WikiMedia wikis should probably be "no" here, I don't think they're useful.
13:45:52 <fizzie> Ain't no-one going to try going to https://esolangs.org/wiki/wikipedia:Cat expecting it to work.
13:46:48 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138265&oldid=138262 * PrySigneToFry * (+659)
13:47:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikibooks" (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:48:04 <fizzie> Okay, this is going to cause a bit of spam since there's no bulk edit functionality.
13:48:17 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikinews" (https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:48:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikipedia" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:48:49 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikiquote" (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:00 * int-e pats esolangs on the head
13:49:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikisource" (https://wikisource.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:08 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikispecies" (https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:13 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikiversity" (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:18 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wikt" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:24 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_edit * Fizzie * Fizzie modified prefix "wiktionary" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) in the interwiki table: disabling forwarding for WikiMedia wikis since we're not one
13:49:45 <fizzie> Think that was all of them.
13:53:04 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138266&oldid=138219 * PrySigneToFry * (+300)
13:54:58 <int-e> conway = https://conwaylife.com/wiki/$1 might be useful
13:56:55 <int-e> (inspired by https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitgrid which links to Unit Cell there)
14:11:54 <fizzie> Hmm, but should it be `conway:` or `life:`? Despite the URL, they do call themselves LifeWiki.
14:12:24 <fizzie> There should be some kind of a mechanism where each MediaWiki wiki can declare their preferred interwiki prefix, and/or a registry of them.
14:15:15 <b_jonas_> Steo: I think ARM32 supports two or three instruction sets, as in the classic one where instructions are fixed 32 bit long, and the variable one called thumb where instructions can be 16 or 32 bits long (maybe also longer), and I think you can mix these within a process
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14:16:54 <b_jonas> x86 has this too, in theory you could mix x86_16 and x86_32 code in the same process, it's just that that's very rarely worth, about the only time it comes up is if a 32-bit DOS extender wants to call into a DOS file system driver, or a 32-bit boot loader called into old style BIOS, or some nonsense like that.
14:17:18 <b_jonas> and those ones don't even count because those call into real mode, which you *can't* mix in the same process
14:17:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_add * Fizzie * Fizzie added prefix "life" (https://conwaylife.com/wiki/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) to the interwiki table: add LifeWiki (conwaylife.com) since it's relevant to our interests
14:17:25 <b_jonas> you can only mix 16-bit and 32-bit protected mode
14:19:54 <b_jonas> I changed opinion about the interwiki codes and I think they should just die these days. We should just use absolute URLs for every link, and if the wiki interface wants to display them in a special way, they can recognize the URLs directly.
14:20:46 <b_jonas> both google groups and yahoo groups does exist, basically they are mailing list servers where anyone can create mailing lists, and you can use the web interface to subscribe or read the archive
14:21:02 <b_jonas> they also used to have a usenet interface, but that part may have died
14:21:32 <fizzie> There's two versions of Thumb; the plain Thumb(-1) is also fixed-length at 16 bits, the extra 32-bit instructions are a Thumb-2 thing.
14:22:03 <fizzie> ARM also had that Jazelle thing, where it can execute Java bytecode "natively".
14:22:12 <b_jonas> what? how can you have a fixed 16-bit length instruction set these days?
14:22:37 <b_jonas> I mean it's not really "these days" because now everything runs ARM64 instead
14:23:23 <int-e> b_jonas: Hmm I don't hate the prefix but the fact that they are not displayed as external links feels odd.
14:23:50 <b_jonas> but obviously on an existing wiki we can't just disable support for interwiki prefixes, and both esolang wiki and the wikimedia sites are very long-lived, so we'll have them forever,
14:24:11 <b_jonas> so what I said applies only to new wikis
14:24:30 <b_jonas> int-e: how they're formatted is kind of supposed to be orthogonal to how they're displayed though
14:24:43 <fizzie> For Sgeo's question I was really only trying to think of examples about emulating older, pre-existing architectures, for backwards (or sideways) compatibility reasons.
14:25:32 <b_jonas> fizzie: x86_16 was an established older architecture when the 386 introduced x86_32
14:25:47 <b_jonas> oh wait, there's a better example
14:26:29 <b_jonas> I think there are 16-bit 6502 extensions that have a compatibility mode that closely emulates the 6502 (or some 8-bit 6502 variant), they behave like that older CPU by default, but can be switched to the more modern mode
14:26:41 <fizzie> There's a CSS class `extiw` on interwiki links (compared to `external text` for regular external links), so if I knew what I was doing I could probably make them render the same as external links.
14:26:54 <fizzie> That's pretty similar to the Z80/eZ80 thing.
14:26:58 <b_jonas> some of them are even hardware-compatible with an existing 6502 variant as long as you keep them in compatibility mode in software, but then change how they use pins if you switch to 16-bit mode
14:28:25 <b_jonas> they need a compatibility mode because the 6502 was so popular and third-parties documented all the undocumented instructions that a lot of programs relied on what almost all undocumented behavior is (with the exception of a few instructions that just freeze the CPU), so it's hard to add new instructions; plus also they didn't just want to add new instructions but replace many of the normal ones with
14:28:31 <fizzie> Yes, Sgeo mentioned 65816 having a 6502 mode.
14:28:48 <b_jonas> plus they can just run existing 8-bit 6502 software that way
14:29:48 <esolangs> [[*bfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138267 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+914) Created page with "'''*bfuck''' is an esolang by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] based on [[brainfuck]] ==Commands== The tape has infinite amount of unsigned unbounded integers +-,.[] Are the same, <code><></code> are removed and there is additional command | Which toggles between two st
14:29:53 <b_jonas> int-e: I think most of the interwiki codes are just inherited from defaults from the mediawiki software
14:30:19 <korvo> fizzie: Thank you!
14:31:10 <b_jonas> "it'd be possible to update them all at once if the destination changes their URLs" => you can do URL rewriting with normal absolute URLs just as much, and then you don't need specific knowledge of the particular wiki. I think I've replaced OEIS links on the wiki after the old links failed to work.
14:31:13 <fizzie> korvo: I didn't actually add concatenative.org yet, because I couldn't pick the prefix. If you have an opinion on that, that might help.
14:31:43 <int-e> b_jonas: I was looking at a test edit to change the `unit cell` link I mentioned and now I'm not sure I want to actually do it.
14:32:30 <korvo> fizzie: "catlang wiki" was suggested in #concatenative; it's supposedly popular with their Discord community. I might suggest "catwiki" or "catlangwiki". "concatenative" is not a bad option, given that it's their channel and domain name.
14:32:34 <int-e> Because it would no longer indicate an external link.
14:32:54 <b_jonas> I've definitely replaced several links to OEIS and to Erich Friedman's webpage from elsewhere, mostly on SE. Sadly the Erich Friedman links are trickier because it's not just a simple prefix replace, pages moved within the site too. Technically some of that wasn't at the same time, but we don't replace links every half a year.
14:32:57 <int-e> "test edit" - a preview to use proper terminology
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14:33:44 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138268&oldid=121602 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+24) /* Things I made */
14:34:03 <b_jonas> Plus I think the complexity zoo may have moved. I think all three of these were universities getting nervous about what their subdomains point to and that they'll be considered endorsing everything hosted under any subdomain, which is kind of ridiculous but that's how politics goes.
14:34:09 <fizzie> korvo: It can't have a space in it for technical reasons, but both `catwiki` and `catlangwiki` would work.
14:34:33 <korvo> fizzie: Let's do `catlangwiki`. Thank you again for your attention to detail.
14:35:27 <b_jonas> "the WikiMedia wikis" => those shortcuts are probably among the more useful ones, because the esowiki was originally founded to rescue esolang documentation that would be deleted from en.wikipedia
14:35:37 <korvo> b_jonas: Complexity Zoo had some organizational issues; they couldn't really cross-reference. I visited a while ago and took detailed drawings (https://github.com/MostAwesomeDude/zaha/tree/master/complexity) but didn't write down the academic details.
14:35:45 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/interwiki]] iw_add * Fizzie * Fizzie added prefix "catlangwiki" (https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/$1) (trans: 0; local: 0) to the interwiki table: add prefix for concatenative.org
14:36:02 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138269&oldid=134927 * PrySigneToFry * (+303) I added even more horrible things in the page
14:36:14 <fizzie> And I'll probably also try to style interwiki links to indicate that they're external links, but only after running some errands.
14:36:26 <korvo> With both the Zoo and nLab, I've got projects (that one just linked and Catabase respectively) that are basically "this wiki could have been written as a SQL database, with constraints and checks and FKs".
14:36:49 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck is not turing complete]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138270&oldid=138269 * PrySigneToFry * (+64)
14:37:21 <esolangs> [[User:B jonas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138271&oldid=137727 * B jonas * (+44)
14:38:43 <fizzie> On the other topic, the Commodore C128 _system_ has a "CP/M Mode", but that's just based on having a separate Z80 CPU in addition to the 8502 (similar to how GBA included an SM83, the Z80-alike of the original Game Boy), so that's on a different level than the CPU execution modes.
14:38:44 <esolangs> [[Cat (Language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138272&oldid=138069 * Corbin * (-47) Test out the new interwiki entry for concatenative.org.
14:39:10 <esolangs> [[Pointfree programming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138273&oldid=107984 * B jonas * (+144)
14:39:44 <esolangs> [[Cat program]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138274&oldid=138054 * Corbin * (+63) Also add a disambiguation link here, since this is currently the redirect target for [[Cat]].
14:42:16 <b_jonas> simcop2387: oh yeah, and the Commodore 128 has a Commodore 64 mode built into it, with partly separate hardware, and because the Commodore 64 was so popular but the 128 wasn't, most software running on the 128 is just Commodore 64-bit software
14:43:37 <b_jonas> while the GBC has a GB compatibility mode, but I think that doesn't really count as an emulation, most of what it does is slowing down the CPU+memory and not changing the video card to color mode
14:44:36 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138275&oldid=138199 * Ractangle * (+171) /* brainfuck */
14:46:38 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138276&oldid=138247 * PrySigneToFry * (+26) Added a sub-title
14:46:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:Unname4798]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138277&oldid=138276 * PrySigneToFry * (+4) Fixed
14:51:07 <simcop2387> lol, though if i had the space and time i'd have a C64 or C128 for playing with :)
14:52:17 <b_jonas> simcop2387: you can just emulate them these days
14:52:22 <fizzie> I had a C128, but donated it to someone else when I moved countries, wasn't really using it for anything.
14:52:54 <simcop2387> and i think the GBC was slightly different than that, it always boots in the slow mode and B&W until it sees the new GBC nintento copyright string/logo bitmap but it's been a while since i've looked into exactly how that worked anymore
14:53:22 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138278&oldid=138275 * Ractangle * (-3) /* /// */
14:55:08 <simcop2387> i'd also love to have a teletype of some kind acting as a notification printer like it's part of an old time news room getting automated telegraphs of breaking news but i'm a bit weird that way
14:57:50 <fizzie> I missed all the "other systems" growing up (we were always a PC household), so I got a few (the C128, a Performa 5200, a SparcStation 5, an SGI Indy) to play with when they were already obsolete.
14:59:54 <fizzie> The SS5 probably saw the most use, because it ran OpenBSD and was my router for a couple of years, until Fast Ethernet was no longer fast enough.
15:02:45 <fizzie> Come to think of it, that's where the logs.esolangs.org logs start from, because it's also where I ran irssi on and started logging: https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2002-12-14.html
15:04:01 <b_jonas> oh an OpenBSD router? nice
15:10:18 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138279 * PrySigneToFry * (+1862) Created page with " is an Esolang that designed and implemented by PSTF. It is reversed version of [[]]. == Command Table == <pre> This Esolang Brainfuck < >
15:12:41 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138280&oldid=138167 * PrySigneToFry * (+19)
15:16:25 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138281&oldid=137672 * PrySigneToFry * (+48)
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15:21:15 <HackEso> olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1310.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot
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15:44:16 <esolangs> [[OTS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138285&oldid=138284 * Yayimhere * (-2)
15:49:27 <esolangs> [[OTS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138286&oldid=138285 * Yayimhere * (+8)
16:03:25 <esolangs> [[OTS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138287&oldid=138286 * Yayimhere * (+0)
16:05:47 <esolangs> [[Yayimhere-like esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138288&oldid=138076 * Ractangle * (+22) /* syntax */
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17:09:34 <esolangs> [[Try/hello world]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138291 * BestCoder * (+69) Created page with "Message is an esolang about hello world == Main == Output is Message"
17:10:23 <esolangs> [[Try]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138292&oldid=138290 * BestCoder * (+35)
17:15:53 <esolangs> [[Comment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138293&oldid=138283 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+29) /* Befunge/>/*> */
17:16:43 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138294&oldid=138224 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* examples */ Fix link
17:18:26 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Turning tarpits]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138295 * BestCoder * (+23) Created page with "you mean turing tarpits"
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17:20:18 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Turning tarpits]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138297&oldid=138295 * Yayimhere * (+169)
17:22:38 <esolangs> [[OTS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138298&oldid=138287 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) Categories
17:22:48 <esolangs> [[OTS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138299&oldid=138298 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Typo
17:23:19 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/rights]] rights * Fizzie * changed group membership for User:Fizzie from bureaucrat, checkuser, sysop to bureaucrat, checkuser, sysop, interface-admin: grant interface-admin rights to self in hopes of restyling interwiki links
17:25:37 <esolangs> [[Kicky BCT]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138300&oldid=138240 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+74) Categories
17:26:27 <esolangs> [[Timelang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138301 * BestCoder * (+426) Created page with "You have to wait to code == Idea == time mod 8 determines what thing gets ran time%8 do 0 add one to current cell 1 sub one to current cell 2 move one cell left 3 move one cell right 4 input to cell 5 output from cell 6 start
17:29:09 <esolangs> [[EmojiCoder]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138302&oldid=78174 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) Category
17:29:11 <esolangs> [[User:BestCoder]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138303&oldid=134424 * BestCoder * (+18)
17:30:24 <esolangs> [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138304&oldid=51399 * Fizzie * (+270) attempt to style interwiki links with the external-site link indicator
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17:34:31 <fizzie> Kinda tricky. Different skins apply the "external site" icon differently; default Vector does it by setting a background-image to a small SVG, positioning it to 'center right' and adding a bit of padding; Citizen does it by adding an ::after pseudo-element that's `background-color: currentcolor` + masked with an SVG data: URL, presumably so that it inherits the color. But Common.css is common to
17:34:33 <fizzie> both, and I really don't want to start doing that per-skin.
17:35:08 <fizzie> In the end just applied Vector's simpler external-link styling to a.extiw.
17:35:35 <fizzie> The _right_ way to do it of course would've been to put the `external` CSS class to interwiki links as well, but couldn't find an option to do that.
17:41:57 <korvo> wWwwW: Mediawiki and similar wiki software has the concept of "interwiki", which lets us bluelink between different wikis. It's a little brittle, but it's mostly just a way to manage lots of offsite URLs.
17:44:00 <esolangs> [[~~]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138305 * Yayimhere * (+1425) Created page with "'''~~'''(first of all idk how i got that name second of all its pronounced sin) is a esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] while on a twitch stream == ~~ hexadecimal format == ~~ has a way to write hexadecimal numbers(where there are couples so they can be divided into chu
17:44:08 <korvo> fizzie: For some reason, `position: absolute` is getting added to that class. Pages like [[Cammy]] are getting a pile of links dragged to the top-right.
17:44:24 <wWwwW> hey korvo. it had a link to send you(idk if you've seen it) its the crafting esolang. here it is: https://hackmd.io/@idkleftoutsidekkk/ryM0QbI3C
17:46:26 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138306&oldid=138305 * Yayimhere * (-1)
17:47:56 <esolangs> [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138307&oldid=138304 * Fizzie * (+1) add a missing )
17:48:20 <fizzie> korvo: I missed a ) in `url(...)` and somehow didn't notice.
17:58:33 <korvo> fizzie: Nice, looks great.
17:58:49 <wWwwW> the link should work now
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18:02:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Push-down automaton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138309&oldid=138308 * BestCoder * (+60)
18:04:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138310&oldid=137254 * Tommyaweosme * (+242)
18:06:06 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138311 * Xarthan * (+450) Created page
18:07:35 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138312&oldid=138311 * Xarthan * (+49) lmao
18:21:10 <wWwwW> is it ready for the wiki?
18:22:43 <b_jonas> fungot, how often do you dishearten, and how often do you connive?
18:22:44 <fungot> b_jonas: please look at r5rs: the revised5 report on scheme
18:33:51 <esolangs> [[Direction]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138313 * BestCoder * (+727) Created page with "This is a esolang that uses 2d syntax, plus orthogonal directions == The but == every direction command when you step on it it gets deleted == Commands == <>^v: direction commands I: get input and push it to stack ?: pops from stack and if that is 0 turn left >0
18:35:07 <esolangs> [[User:BestCoder]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138314&oldid=138303 * BestCoder * (+20)
18:35:33 <wWwwW> is it ready for the wiki korvo?
18:36:04 <korvo> wWwwW: I don't know. I don't think I am a good person to ask about that.
18:38:27 <esolangs> [[OTS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138315&oldid=138299 * Ractangle * (+71)
18:39:07 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138316&oldid=138236 * Ractangle * (+12)
18:40:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[Assembolge]] to [[User:Ractangle:Assembolge]]
18:41:10 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle:Assembolge]] to [[User:Ractangle/Assembolge]]
18:49:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle/Assembolge]] to [[User:Ractangle/iurgdytrh]]
18:50:01 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle/iurgdytrh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138323&oldid=138321 * Ractangle * (+6)
18:54:36 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138324&oldid=138173 * Ractangle * (-9) /* Esolangs */
19:00:15 <esolangs> [[Markont]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138325&oldid=43106 * Ractangle * (+22) /* Example */
19:01:23 <esolangs> [[Randwork]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138326&oldid=51122 * Ractangle * (+22) /* External resources */
19:02:00 <esolangs> [[Expandable Quantum Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138327&oldid=59466 * Ractangle * (+22)
19:06:22 <esolangs> [[Algebraic Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138328&oldid=136046 * Ractangle * (+22) /* Sources */
19:07:15 <esolangs> [[Awib]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138329&oldid=88809 * Ractangle * (+22)
19:09:53 <esolangs> [[Bijection]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138330&oldid=138294 * Yayimhere * (+181)
19:14:43 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck minus -]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138331&oldid=59759 * Ractangle * (+22) /* See also */
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19:17:01 <esolangs> [[FRAK]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138333&oldid=125034 * Ractangle * (+23) /* External resources */
19:21:30 <esolangs> [[Doors]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138334&oldid=138332 * BestCoder * (+308)
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20:33:36 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138335&oldid=138312 * Xarthan * (+872) language overview
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20:53:50 <HackEso> olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1310.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo boily nortti b_jonas Noisytoot
20:56:06 <b_jonas> Sgeo: fizzie had rang the obell earlier
21:01:43 <esolangs> [[OTS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138337&oldid=138315 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) .
21:02:35 <esolangs> [[Direction]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138338&oldid=138313 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+88) Categories
21:06:11 <esolangs> [[Timelang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138339&oldid=138301 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+162) Categories
21:24:16 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138340&oldid=138336 * Xarthan * (+40) fixed bit count mistake
21:27:24 <zzo38> How to securely specify that a self-signed X.509 certificate supersedes another self-signed X.509 certificate? Since a certificate contains a public key, presumably you could use that for security, but is there the way to use in this way, or will it be necessary to make up a new extension for this purpose?
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22:23:36 <user3456> zzo38: why not self sign a root cert and sign other certs with it
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22:59:41 <zzo38> Then what if you will want to revoke the root certificate?
23:00:26 <zzo38> Also, signing other certificates with a root certificate will not tell you that one certificate is intended to supersede another one.
23:15:49 <zzo38> (You could use the names to indicate this, although this won't help if the names will be changed or if the names are later used by someone else (with the same certificate authority), as well as the other reasons such as if you will want to revoke the root certificate for whatever reason)