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00:11:37 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck is not turing complete]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138341&oldid=138270 * None1 * (+6)
00:13:09 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138342&oldid=138279 * None1 * (+1) /* Example */
00:24:44 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138343&oldid=138340 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+158) Categories
00:27:03 <zzo38> I had consider how to make the "Common Data Format" of the operating system design. Perhaps it can be: 8-bits command code, 4-bits length type, 4-bits data type. The data types might be: 0=compound, 1=raw, 2=text, 3=reference, etc. (The number of bits allocated to each part also might be different, if this is consider to be not good enough)
00:30:59 <zzo38> What is your opinions of such a thing like that?
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00:36:59 <zzo38> One possible consideration that might be needed is if a container has an unknown length.
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00:48:22 <esolangs> [[Factor]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138344&oldid=136304 * None1 * (+95) Distinguish confusion
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01:01:58 <esolangs> [[User:Gilbert189/Iternary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138345&oldid=136799 * Gilbert189 * (-390) Removed all the ellipses (it makes implementation more difficult)
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02:18:48 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138352&oldid=138343 * Xarthan * (+259) added more opcodes
02:21:26 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138353&oldid=138352 * Xarthan * (+55) Clarified descriptions
02:32:05 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138354&oldid=138353 * Xarthan * (+290) memory-mapped I/O edits
02:44:47 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138355&oldid=138293 * None1 * (+311)
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02:56:38 <zzo38> Is there a way in Linux, for a C program to call a function to save the user memory of the program in a way that can later be restored? File descriptors should not be saved, and user/group IDs should not be saved, etc.
03:00:42 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138357&oldid=138263 * PrySigneToFry * (+836)
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03:01:55 <zzo38> For example, it could be: int write_user_memory(int fd); Returns 1 if successful, 0 if just restored, or -1 if error.
03:02:44 <esolangs> [[Bitfuckery]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138358&oldid=138354 * Xarthan * (+0)
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04:19:15 <korvo> TIL about [[Template:Distinguish/Confusion]]; thanks PSDW for showing the way.
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04:40:51 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again4]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138368 * PrySigneToFry * (+585) Created page with "[[Translated ORK/PSTF Again3]] 1. Semi-product <pre> Leidse. swing swing swing My name is Joan of Arc Bonni. Avelis. This is a document. TantYachiukevkuchokera prays; In the camera, come on, come on, come on. swing Tippiene Aniza Retdak. </pre>
04:41:52 <esolangs> [[Translated ORK/PSTF Again3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138369&oldid=138140 * PrySigneToFry * (+46)
04:43:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138370&oldid=138366 * PrySigneToFry * (+713)
04:43:35 <zzo38> O, about my "Common Data Format", it seem that ASN.1 has a way of making indefinite length, so something like that could be used. Actually, it could be made more like ASN.1 in other ways too, e.g. instead of the length type and data type like that, can use one bit to indicate constructed or primitive like ASN.1 is doing.
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05:18:13 <esolangs> [[Category talk:Unknown computational class]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138372&oldid=138264 * Yayimhere * (+155)
05:20:56 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138373&oldid=138359 * Yayimhere * (+68) /* bring back the old sandbox war */
05:22:17 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138374&oldid=138373 * Yayimhere * (+187) /* bring back the old sandbox war */
05:54:15 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck is not turing complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138375&oldid=138341 * Unname4798 * (+3)
06:01:02 <wWwwW> that every minimaztation of BF
06:01:44 <wWwwW> has a problem with that when you try to minimize < and > you always end up having one preserved and the second one changed but sstill the same number of commands
06:03:16 <esolangs> [[Brainhook]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138376&oldid=137976 * Yayimhere * (+1)
06:16:52 <wWwwW> am i stupid for working on burn now
06:22:41 <zzo38> Why do some HTTP servers send a compressed response even if the client does not request it?
06:31:18 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138377&oldid=137571 * Yayimhere * (+135) /* Burn */
06:31:50 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138378&oldid=138377 * Yayimhere * (-2098) /* BackFlip x sets */
06:31:57 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138379&oldid=138378 * Yayimhere * (-547) /* idea 1 */
06:32:09 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138380&oldid=138379 * Yayimhere * (-3188) /* idea 3 */
06:32:47 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138381&oldid=138380 * Yayimhere * (-609) /* math in ()NEST() */
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08:38:39 <b_jonas> zzo38: does that involve the HTTP 2 or 3 protocol? if so, I think allowing compression is assumed in those protocols even if it's not explicitly listed in the header. if not, I think I've seen at least one specialized server that still does that, with the justification that if you're downloading the large data involved uncompressed then you're just wasting everyone's bandwidth, and everyone has access
08:38:45 <b_jonas> to a zlib decompression implementation these days.
09:03:30 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138383&oldid=138355 * Ractangle * (+80) /* Befunge/>/*> */
09:05:36 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138384&oldid=138383 * Yayimhere * (+30)
09:36:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ractangle * moved [[User:Ractangle/iurgdytrh]] to [[Input hello world or else:]]
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09:45:28 <esolangs> [[User:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138389&oldid=138324 * Ractangle * (+89)
09:46:53 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138390&oldid=138316 * Ractangle * (+13)
09:48:19 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138391&oldid=138306 * Yayimhere * (+44) /* syntax */
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09:50:06 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138393&oldid=138388 * Ractangle * (+112)
09:51:02 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138394&oldid=138392 * Yayimhere * (+44)
09:51:50 <esolangs> [[QuickLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138395&oldid=138349 * Ractangle * (+0) mispel
09:52:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:QuickLang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138396 * Ractangle * (+190) Created page with "good execution :thumbsup:~~~"
09:53:07 <esolangs> [[QuickLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138397&oldid=138395 * Ractangle * (+23)
09:53:29 <esolangs> [[QuickLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138398&oldid=138397 * Ractangle * (+17)
09:53:55 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138399&oldid=138394 * Yayimhere * (+59) /* syntax */
09:54:22 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138400&oldid=138399 * Yayimhere * (+42) /* ~~ hexadecimal format */
09:55:20 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138401&oldid=138400 * Yayimhere * (+17)
09:55:59 <esolangs> [[~~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138402&oldid=138401 * Yayimhere * (+0)
10:02:04 <esolangs> [[X]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138403&oldid=72690 * Ractangle * (+23)
10:03:04 <esolangs> [[Looping counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138404&oldid=137713 * Ractangle * (-15) /* G# */
10:03:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138405&oldid=135450 * PkmnQ * (+2306) /* Some ideas */
10:03:46 <wWwwW> this guy is fr every esolang creator: https://xkcd.com/2309/
10:04:16 <esolangs> [[Empty Program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138406&oldid=138105 * Ractangle * (-15) /* G# */
10:04:39 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138407&oldid=137914 * Ractangle * (-15) /* G# */
10:12:30 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138408&oldid=138384 * Ractangle * (+65) /* CLFCE */
10:13:05 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138409&oldid=138408 * Ractangle * (-19) /* Befunge/>/*> */
10:13:49 <esolangs> [[Mildfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138410 * Yb1 * (+1332) Page created
10:16:00 <esolangs> [[Mildfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138411&oldid=138410 * Yb1 * (+13) fixed typo
10:22:36 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138412&oldid=138409 * Ractangle * (+103) /* MarioLANG */
10:24:09 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138413 * Unname4798 * (+425) Created page with "{{lang|a=User:Unname4798|f=[[Input hello world or else:]] but without a quine}} If you type: grrrrrrrrr It outputs: Are you angry? == Interpreters == === JS === <pre> var command = ""; /* Replace the empty string with user input */
10:24:21 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138414&oldid=138413 * Unname4798 * (+0)
10:25:15 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138415&oldid=138414 * Unname4798 * (-43)
10:27:17 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138416&oldid=138415 * Unname4798 * (+35)
10:29:05 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138417&oldid=138416 * Unname4798 * (+32)
10:29:14 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138418&oldid=138417 * Unname4798 * (+0)
10:29:27 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138419&oldid=138418 * Unname4798 * (-1)
10:29:47 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Unname4798 * moved [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] to [[Input hello world or else without a quine]]
10:30:02 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138422&oldid=138421 * Unname4798 * (-45) Removed redirect to [[Input hello world or else without a quine]]
10:30:12 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138423&oldid=138422 * Unname4798 * (+0)
10:30:59 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else: without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138424&oldid=138423 * Unname4798 * (+45) Redirected page to [[Input hello world or else without a quine]]
10:31:31 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138425&oldid=138420 * Unname4798 * (+13)
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10:35:08 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138429&oldid=138428 * Unname4798 * (-20)
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10:41:42 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else without a quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138432&oldid=138431 * Unname4798 * (+65)
10:48:05 <esolangs> [[User:Unname4798]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138433&oldid=138024 * Unname4798 * (+65)
10:53:00 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138434&oldid=138412 * Ractangle * (-60) /* /// */
10:59:02 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138435 * Ractangle * (+304) Created page with "the interpriter is an edited version of this code: from ast import While print("Hello world") answer=input("input hello world or else:") if answer == "hello world" : print("thanks for hello world") input("press
10:59:22 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138436&oldid=138435 * Ractangle * (+14)
11:00:03 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138437&oldid=138393 * Ractangle * (+72)
11:00:25 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138438&oldid=138436 * Ractangle * (+4)
11:00:39 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138439&oldid=138438 * Ractangle * (+0)
11:01:55 <esolangs> [[Input hello world or else:/the file in questoin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138440&oldid=138439 * Ractangle * (+37)
11:21:23 <b_jonas> wWwwW: you want https://esolangs.org/wiki/WysiScript
11:22:43 <wWwwW> what question is dis for
11:24:41 <b_jonas> wWwwW: for https://xkcd.com/2309/
11:26:34 <wWwwW> ill go into implemtation and tyoe until there are no errors:)
11:26:44 <int-e> . o O ( https://wiki.haskell.org/Obfuscation#Example but worse )
11:37:27 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138441&oldid=138434 * Ractangle * (+102)
11:37:39 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138442&oldid=138441 * Ractangle * (+2) /* !!brainfeed */
11:38:30 <esolangs> [[!!Fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138443&oldid=131287 * Ractangle * (+8) /* Truth Machine */
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12:28:30 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138444&oldid=137481 * Yayimhere * (-501) /* one with no complexity(showed up to have complexity) */
12:30:03 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138445&oldid=138444 * Yayimhere * (-30) /* a step by step version */
12:34:36 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138446&oldid=138445 * Yayimhere * (+0) /* a step by step version */
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12:47:33 <wWwwW> what categories should dis have?:
12:47:33 <wWwwW> https://esolangs.org/wiki/RECT4n%3DGLE
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13:03:47 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138448&oldid=138446 * JJRubes * (+36) spelling and wording edits
13:11:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138449&oldid=92081 * Yayimhere * (+103)
13:15:42 <esolangs> [[RECT4n=GLE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138450&oldid=138448 * JJRubes * (+125) add link to implementation
13:25:55 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138451&oldid=138442 * None1 * (+919)
13:26:34 <wWwwW> hey ais523 if u here. somenody made a RECT4n=GLE compiler! you can check it out on the page
13:30:23 <esolangs> [[Brain-Flak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138452&oldid=115708 * None1 * (+18) /* Comments */
13:31:29 <esolangs> [[Comment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138453&oldid=138451 * None1 * (+14) /* Brain-Flak */
13:32:08 <esolangs> [[Comment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138454&oldid=138453 * None1 * (+26) /* See also */
13:32:36 <esolangs> [[Filename "xxx" doesn't seem to be a valid filename. Please check if the filename your trying to execute is written correctly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138455&oldid=135417 * Ractangle * (+39) /* Python */
13:33:48 <esolangs> [[Comment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138456&oldid=138454 * None1 * (+1) /* Brain-Flak */
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14:59:56 <korvo> wWwwW: I don't think it's stupid to look at Burn, but it's kind of surprising that somebody who isn't the original author would think that they can help remember how it works.
15:00:59 <wWwwW> my progress is stupid
15:01:06 <wWwwW> you can see it on my talk page ig
15:01:23 <korvo> I don't know. It reminds me of Prince's guitar licks. He was so certain that each and every little scrap of his music was worthy, so late in life he published a massive catalogue of random five-second snippets of guitar.
15:02:44 <korvo> I'm not saying that you should stop, nor that it's a stupid effort. I'm saying that it makes me think about the world.
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17:37:59 <ipadwwwww> im bored what esolang should i make?
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17:45:07 <ais523> <zzo38> Is there a way in Linux, for a C program to call a function to save the user memory of the program in a way that can later be restored? File descriptors should not be saved, and user/group IDs should not be saved, etc. ← not officially; old versions of Emacs used to do tha by dumping core, which makes the saving very easy, but restoring is much harder
17:46:14 <ais523> Linux *did* add a lot of new syscalls semi-recently to make restoring that sort of memory image possible, though, to the extent of doing things like setting the base address to the stack to the same location as in a previous run of the program (rather than choosing it randomly)
17:47:25 <korvo> As long as we're stepping outside of pure Linux, Capsicum can do that too.
17:47:53 <ais523> there are programs that are designed to do that sort of dumping and undumping from outside a process, like CRIU <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRIU>
17:48:04 <ais523> but that's a bit different from having a call for a process to dump itself
17:49:23 <esolangs> [[...]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138493&oldid=117989 * Ractangle * (-28) /* Interpreter */
17:49:33 <ais523> wow, that's quite impressive in the list of things it can save and restore
17:50:23 <ais523> "open, established TCP connections" are not something I had in mind as being saveable and restorable (of course, you have to do it quickly enough that the other side of the connection doesn't give up and time out)
17:50:38 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138494&oldid=137857 * Tommyaweosme * (+101)
17:51:10 <ipadwwwww> im bored what esolang should i make?( sorry for resend)
17:52:17 <ais523> you could try writing programs in existing esolangs, or interpreters for them
17:52:26 <ais523> that way you don't need a good idea to create something interesting
17:54:43 <ais523> <wWwwW> why is it that every minimaztation of BF has a problem with that when you try to minimize < and > you always end up having one preserved and the second one changed but sstill the same number of commands ← it's basically because >< does nothing in BF, so it's a great place for a minimization to work by adding side effects, you want >< to produce the side effect once so you have to add it to one of the movement directions but not the other
17:54:43 <b_jonas> they freeze all your friends and relatives with you so they aren't aged at all when you wake up, they recreate your half-finished steak dinner by frying a new slice of beef freshly and putting identical bitemarks in it with a replica of your teeth created from a mold, they adjust the planet's rotation and glue leaves back onto trees so you don't notice that the seasons have passed,
17:56:13 <ipadwwwww> this was realted cuz i was making a bf minimalization
17:56:33 <ipadwwwww> dis is it: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainhook
17:56:50 <b_jonas> they remove the batteries from all your portable devices so that they don't get damaged by leaking acid, then put back new but partially drained batteries painted identically when they awaken you, they clone your dog and use smell samples from your clothes to train her to accept you as her master,
17:57:31 <ais523> OK, quick "is this TC" puzzle (I don't know the answer): BF where >+ and <- are commands but > + < - individually aren't
17:58:20 <b_jonas> ais523: what? wouldn't that always leave the tape state like 1 1 ... 1 1 (head) 0 0 ...
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17:59:05 <b_jonas> because you said >+ and <- instead of >+ and -<
17:59:06 <ais523> no, you can alternate between them to create more of a difference
17:59:11 <ais523> you're probably thinking of >+ and -<, right
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17:59:45 <ais523> what if you ignore every second cell on the tape, allowing it to have an arbitrary value and never loop-testing it
18:00:07 <ais523> then decrement becomes >< and increment becomes <>, I think that trivially makes it TC
18:00:36 <ais523> yep, right is >>>< and left is <<<> and then we have a simple translation back to BF
18:00:58 <ais523> I do like the symmetry, though
18:02:00 <b_jonas> that doesn't work in the BF flavor where overflowing or underflowing a cell raises undefined behavior
18:02:57 <ais523> I noticed that, but decided it wasn't worth mentioning because very few BF implementations work like that
18:03:06 <ais523> they're nearly all either bignum or wrwap
18:03:44 <ais523> I think the closest you get to something like that is Brainpocalypse (where underflow isn't UB but does have weird side effects)
18:03:51 <b_jonas> this works even if underflow or underflow leaves arbitrary value in the cell you're crementing
18:04:25 <ais523> now I have to work out if we both coined "crement" as a verb independently or if you copied it from me – either way it's a bit surprising
18:04:39 <ais523> I guess it's a fairly obvious coinage?
18:04:43 <ipadwwwww> ive made,my smallest bf minimilazation yet
18:04:55 <b_jonas> I copied it from elsewhere
18:05:45 <korvo> ipadwwwww: It's worth understanding that Brainfuck is already minimal over a certain kind of infinite-register machine. So taking features away from it is going to usually result in something that is fundamentally no longer about registers.
18:06:11 <korvo> I dumped a bunch of information related to this at [[Algebraic Brainfuck]] FWIW.
18:07:41 <korvo> Also, on a personal note: don't think of yourself as stupid, just not yet researched. With time and careful reading, anybody can get into this stuff. Maths is always frustrating because it's about shortcuts and ways of thinking; it's not obvious, but must be taught.
18:07:42 <ais523> korvo: what about messing with the control flow (e.g. Brainpocalypse, Brainpocalypse II)?
18:08:15 <int-e> b_jonas: I imagine it's still TC for relatively small ranged of signed integers; you can control the growth of values by periodically copying things to the right. Bitwise Cyclic Tag might be a good target for getting a really small range.
18:08:35 <ipadwwwww> also i have nothing else to make fun of ._.
18:09:14 <ais523> OK, now I am wondering how many pairs of brackets are needed to make non-bignum BF TC
18:09:26 <ais523> (with bignum BF you can do it with two pairs, which have to be nested for obvious reasons)
18:10:12 <korvo> ais523: I think both cases give us a finite-register machine?
18:10:35 <int-e> Just ...[...[...]...]? Hmm.
18:10:40 <ais523> korvo: Brainpocalypse II is definitely a finite register machine; the original Brainpocalypse is less obvious
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18:11:08 <ipadwwwww> brainfuck but it hates you even more
18:11:54 <b_jonas> huh, I thought the minimal number of brainfuck brackets was already solved for non-bignum
18:12:02 <korvo> ipadwwwww: It might interest you that Brainfuck was never meant to be painful. It directly inherits from Corrado Böhm's P", which itself was intended to simplify Turing machines.
18:12:41 <korvo> Practical macro-based Brainfuck programming is slightly difficult, but not much harder than other handcoded assembly programs.
18:13:04 <int-e> b_jonas: I only remember work on the minimal nesting level
18:13:11 <ais523> korvo: and the fun thing there is that P'' was minimised to start with, with one of +- being combined with one of <>
18:13:14 <korvo> Oh. Why? I'm not against BDSM but I'm curious about motivations.
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18:13:58 <korvo> ais523: Yeah. Same thing that showed up in the semantics. I think it might be a sort of natural ring-ish situation, but I haven't proven anything about it. Proving facts about machines is hard and unfun.
18:14:24 <b_jonas> korvo: no, Böhm has independently preinvented Brainfuck.
18:14:38 <b_jonas> it's not really inheritance, it's more like parallle evolution
18:14:42 <korvo> Ah, they left before I could mention the classics [[Malbolge]] and [[INTERCAL]].
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18:14:46 <b_jonas> convergent evolution or something
18:15:20 <korvo> Wasn't Brainfuck from an Amiga hacker? But also yeah, Böhm definitely wasn't credited during his lifetime appropriately.
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18:15:41 <ais523> korvo: INTERCAL does have some places where it's intentionally difficult, e.g. not having 32-bit numerical constants, but the restrictions are fairly minor
18:16:04 <ais523> and I think they're intended more to make programs look scarier/harder to read than they are to make programs harder to write
18:17:09 <ais523> there's a quote from the designers about how the way you initialise a 32-bit integer variable is intentionallly stupid, in order to make people look silly when they try to explain that it's the simplest way (but worded better than that)
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18:17:38 <int-e> the constant interleave/select dance (for example to add two numbers) is annoying
18:18:14 <int-e> trintercal made a good point though
18:18:21 <ais523> INTERCAL's arithmetic only really shines in cases where you use selects to do something other than reversing the mingles
18:18:36 <int-e> people *know* how boolean logic works and how to use it to do math
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18:19:14 <ais523> that said, mingles did have their one moment of glory in that FFT algorithm
18:19:35 <korvo> ipadwwwww: Welcome back. I was going to mention [[Malbolge]], which *is* designed to be difficult to write code for. [[INTERCAL]] is another classic, and its humor might appeal to you.
18:19:39 <ais523> (and INTERCAL's select is a processor instruction on x86-64 nowadays, although they probably didn't borrow it from there)
18:20:10 <ais523> the inverse of select is also a processor instruction on x86-64, which can be used to get an efficient mingle
18:20:11 <korvo> These have something amazing in common that Brainfuck doesn't: we think that writing correct Malbolge or INTERCAL programs is computationally hard. Like, IIRC Malbolge is NP-hard?
18:20:13 <int-e> and oerjan's unlambda interpreter used a linear shift register as a counter (incrementing a heap pointer for allocations, all IIRC)
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18:20:33 <ais523> korvo: I don't think writing correct INTERCAL programs is computationally hard
18:21:04 <ais523> and Malbolge has been cracked to the extent that compilers into it exist
18:21:06 <int-e> intercal came with a standard library that provided common operations like addition
18:21:10 <korvo> ais523: I thought that there was something about multiple-entry blocks and computing where to place PLEASEs. I freely confess I actively avoided learning INTERCAL.
18:21:17 <int-e> it has sane subroutines; that alone will make translation easy
18:21:25 <int-e> malbolge is quite different
18:21:59 <ais523> korvo: the compiler just checks that the PLEASE proportion is in the range 1/5 to 1/3 inclusive, you can fulfil that requirement by placing a PLEASE on the third, seventh, eleventh, fifteenth, etc. statement
18:22:02 <int-e> There are no restrictions on where you can PLEASE the compiler.
18:22:35 <int-e> The stupidest thing is that you have to cover all paths to check whether you suffered from the random compiler bug.
18:22:40 <ais523> it might be fun to base it on the ratio of statements executed (continuously evaluated) rather than the ratio of statements in the source, that would be much more confusing to think about
18:22:47 <int-e> (which C-INTERCAL allows you to disable)
18:23:06 <ais523> it kind-of has to be disabled to be able to write reliable test suites
18:23:14 <korvo> Ah, I didn't know PLEASE was a static requirement. I thought it *was* measured line-by-line, like some sort of demented BASIC runtime counter.
18:23:16 <ais523> I think all the compilers that have that let you turn it off, including the original
18:23:39 <ais523> although CLC-INTERCAL has two random compiler bugs with different probabilities, and different options to disable each of them
18:23:58 <int-e> I fondly remember the circuitious diagram.
18:24:32 <int-e> I should check the prononciation of that word!
18:24:43 <ais523> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:INTERCAL_Circuitous_Diagram.svg
18:25:04 <int-e> Yeah I was pronouncing it wrong, mentally. It's not that I've ever used it in speech...
18:26:21 <ais523> I had heard it used in other contexts earlier, so I knew how it was pronounced – but it's not like people would be likely to guess it from the spelling
18:27:59 <ais523> it reminds me of English place names, they nearly all have pronunciations that are very abbreviated compared to their spelling and would be hard to guess for a foreigner, but after a while you start to see patterns – and then a name like "Cirencester" comes along which is, unexpectedly, pronounced pretty similarly to how it is spelled and confuses everyone
18:28:17 <ais523> (compare to, e.g., "Leicester" which is pronounced "lester")
18:29:28 <int-e> why did I misspell "pronunciation"
18:29:45 <ais523> it is a hard word to spell, I had to look it up and I hardly ever have to do that
18:30:05 <ais523> in particular the spelling does not exactly match "pronounce"
18:31:11 <ais523> (I do make quite a lot of spelling errors, but the vast majority are typos rather than not knowing the correct spelling, or typing homophones because for some reason my brain works by converting words into sound and then back into letters when I type them)
18:31:26 <int-e> It's a word I've actually learned to spell though. So it's mostly sloppiness.
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18:50:56 <zzo38> I noticed that the mmap function has flags MAP_GROWSDOWN and MAP_STACK for stacks; if combining with MAP_FIXED and with assembly code, can it be used to restore the stacks? Hopefully a library can be made with handles stuff specific to instruction sets and operating systems, and the application program only needs to call the function to save the state.
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20:45:35 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138519&oldid=138518 * Ractangle * (+11) /* *python */
20:49:18 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138520&oldid=138519 * Ractangle * (+38) /* *python */
20:52:10 <esolangs> [[Blues++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138521&oldid=138471 * Faustify * (+2280)
20:53:09 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138522&oldid=138512 * Ractangle * (+79) /* What changed */
20:54:16 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138523&oldid=138522 * Ractangle * (+33)
20:54:54 <esolangs> [[*python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138524&oldid=138523 * Ractangle * (+8) /* What changed */
20:56:14 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138525&oldid=138520 * Ractangle * (+11) /* *python */
20:58:56 <esolangs> [[*python]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138526&oldid=138524 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+53) Categories
21:00:31 <esolangs> [[Brainhooking]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138527&oldid=138497 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+89) Lowercase, stub, categories
21:01:17 <esolangs> [[Brainhook]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138528&oldid=138376 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+33) See also
21:01:45 <esolangs> [[Brainhooking]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138529&oldid=138527 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+85) Categories
21:02:49 <esolangs> [[1066]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138530&oldid=138490 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+41) Category
21:02:53 <esolangs> [[Comment]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138531&oldid=138525 * Ractangle * (+83) /* Python */
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21:39:31 <esolangs> [[Gd auto level]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=138532 * Tommyaweosme * (+1090) Created page with "{{lowercase}} gd auto level is a two-dimensional thematic programming model made by [[user:tommyaweosme]]. == how it works == o player spawn - ground every tick the player moves forward. tick 1: o --- tick 2: o --- tick 3: o --- tick 4: -
21:40:23 <esolangs> [[Gd auto level]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138533&oldid=138532 * Tommyaweosme * (+3) minor fixes
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22:11:08 <esolangs> [[Brainpocalypse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138534&oldid=114584 * Ais523 * (-1) /* See also */ remove a use of the language's name in the wrong part of a sentence
22:16:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138535&oldid=138405 * Ais523 * (+835) /* Likely b1 */ this jogged my memory a bit
22:23:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Burn]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=138536&oldid=138535 * Ais523 * (+104) /* Likely b1 */ clarify
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