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01:06:25 <HackEso> Stop taking everything literally!
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01:39:26 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * PkmnQ * moved [[Final Word Of The Day/PkmnQ]] to [[User:PkmnQ/FWOTD Attempt 1]]
01:39:26 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * PkmnQ * moved [[Talk:Final Word Of The Day/PkmnQ]] to [[User talk:PkmnQ/FWOTD Attempt 1]]
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02:55:03 <esolangs> [[Nythop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145344&oldid=145343 * Luxedo * (+12) Change examples level
04:33:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nythop]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145345 * None1 * (+272) Question about language name and potential copyright violation
04:33:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:Nythop]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145346&oldid=145345 * None1 * (+235) Sign
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04:56:08 <wWwwW> returning from where i left
04:56:22 <wWwwW> i will have a list'
04:56:56 <wWwwW> of things we "know" about final word of the day
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05:53:57 <zzo38> (I have been told that it is impossible to tell ITU and difficult to tell ISO.)
06:15:38 <ais523> standards organisations
06:15:57 <ais523> they are quite bureaucratic and generally don't listen to people who don't pay them large amounts of money
06:24:40 <zzo38> Although I could do some things by myself, I would think that it would be better if I write a document for a proposal and then can be managed by ITU, although probably that is too difficult to actually do it that way
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08:56:37 <esolangs> [[User talk:ZCX islptng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145352&oldid=145351 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+229) /* Wire */ Speed) (----
09:08:00 <esolangs> [[Game of Life]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145353&oldid=145270 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+31) ----) (It didn't even have a "CA" tag
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09:33:52 <esolangs> [[true]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145364&oldid=145363 * Ractangle * (+55) /* Commands */
09:36:39 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145365&oldid=145259 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+284) /* I got banned on LifeWiki */ new section
09:37:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ractangle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145366&oldid=145365 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (-284)
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11:20:00 <esolangs> [[5iasm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145369&oldid=106071 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+977) Supplemented a further example in a repeating cat program.
11:20:38 <esolangs> [[5iasm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145370&oldid=145369 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+161) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the 5iasm programming language on GitHub and altered the Unimplemented category tag to Implemented.
11:21:28 <esolangs> [[5iasm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145371&oldid=145370 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+2) Amended the claim of two special registers' existence to three.
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13:35:47 <esolangs> [[User talk:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145374 * ZCX islptng * (+8378) Created page with "talk pagespam<br> esolangLifeWiki<br> -PSTFNone1 == P24 oscillator == [[User:ColorfulGalaxy]] found a "p24" oscillator in his new rule. <pre>#BEGIN x = 14, y = 35, rule = HybridRegionB3S23B3S2-i34q 14B$14B$14B$14B$14B$14B$14B$14B$1
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14:10:35 <esolangs> [[P]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145378 * Yayimhere * (+1192) Created page with "'''P''' or '''PLOOPY''' is an esolang created by [[User:Yayimhere]] based on a joke on Failboats streams == semantics and syntax == === syntax === the "fonts" are defined as: [what A will be replaced[space]with what b will be replaced with[space]ect.] (where <code>[space]<
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14:27:07 <wWwwW> i made this lol. i just wanted some quick feedback: https://esolangs.org/wiki/P%F0%9D%90%8B%F0%9D%95%86%F0%9D%95%BA%F0%9D%91%B7%D3%8B
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15:00:13 <esolangs> [[Slink]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145381&oldid=144981 * 3cxpy * (+37) /* Operations */
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16:51:26 <esolangs> [[The Sophomores From Tbilsi]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145382 * Yayimhere * (+3022) Created page with "'''The Sophomores From Tbilsi''' is an [[esolang]] created by [[User:yayimhere]] to do two things: * complete the trilogy of the _ from _. * look like [[The Genius from Kiev]] and have triggers like [[The Amnesiac From Minsk]] but be different in ev
16:53:02 <wWwwW> eh wutever anybody wanna chat about FWOTD
17:11:06 <wWwwW> oops i have to leave
17:11:28 <wWwwW> but umm ais523 and/or korvo are any of you still interested
17:12:36 <ais523> I'm busy with other things atm
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18:34:06 <korvo> esolangs: What is the purpose of the language DIVSPL?
18:34:25 <esolangs> korvo: DIVSPL is a declarative programming language designed to solve the FizzBuzz problem. It's a one-dimensional language with a static, strong type system. The language aims to make expressing FizzBuzz solutions concise and easy to understand.
18:38:29 <korvo> esolangs: What is the purpose of the language Malbolge?
18:40:16 <esolangs> korvo: Malbolge's primary purpose is to be intentionally difficult to use, making it a challenging and esoteric programming language. It's designed to be a frustrating and complex language, pushing the boundaries of what's considered "computable" in programming.
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18:40:52 <korvo> esolangs: What is the purpose of the language BLC?
18:41:53 <esolangs> korvo: BLC (Binary Lambda Calculus) is a self-interpreting programming language that uses binary digits to represent lambda calculus expressions. It's designed to be a simplified and efficient way to express and execute lambda calculus programs. BLC's self-interpreter is a key feature, allowing it to execute programs directly without needing external...
18:42:11 <korvo> Okay, good so far. Now...
18:42:17 <korvo> esolangs: What is the purpose of the language Brainfuck?
18:42:33 <korvo> This one is tough because RAG has too many options to choose from, I think.
18:44:01 <esolangs> korvo: Brainfuck is a minimalist programming language designed to be simple and challenging. It's known for its limited syntax, relying on a single-instruction set to manipulate a memory cell. The goal is to demonstrate the fundamental concepts of programming, emphasizing the importance of logic and problem-solving over complex syntax.
18:45:13 <esolangs> [[true]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145383&oldid=145380 * Ractangle * (+81) /* Examples */
18:46:01 <korvo> Yep, a complete miss. BF was designed to have a small compiler, and arguably to implement P''.
18:46:10 <korvo> esolangs: What is the purpose of the language Cammy?
18:46:54 <korvo> ...Also, "single-instruction set"? Bad grammar aside, that's wrong in either possible sense.
18:50:17 <esolangs> korvo: Cammy is a functional programming language designed for expressing categorical logic. It's based on a static, strong, and implicit type system, making it suitable for representing mathematical structures using categories. Cammy's S-expression syntax and primitive recursive nature allow for concise and expressive code. It's particularly well-suited...
18:50:17 <esolangs> for tasks involving dataflow programming and categorical logic.
18:51:02 <esolangs> [[P]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=145384&oldid=107258 * Corbin * (+28) Bluelink Bhm.
18:52:19 <korvo> So. On one hand, I can't argue against a single word of that. But OTOH we can see that the RAG is not reliable for articles of that length; it's iffy on BLC and whiffs on Brainfuck.
18:53:55 <korvo> It's funny how the LLMs can show us the existence of blind spots: hey look, the LLM has the same blind spot as us! But it can't explain what's missing.
19:11:11 <ais523> also BF normally has more than one memory cell
19:11:33 <ais523> I wonder if it still gets easy ones wrong?
19:11:41 <ais523> esolangs: why was Advance The Wheel! created?
19:11:50 <esolangs> ais523: Advance The Wheel! (ATH!) was created as a playful, experimental language designed to explore the limits of programming. It's a "toy language" meant to be fun and challenging, pushing the boundaries of what's possible with a simple, yet expressive syntax.
19:12:12 <ais523> yes, still gets it wrong
19:12:17 <korvo> esolangs: What is the purpose of the language Advance The Wheel!?
19:13:56 <korvo> Hard prompts are really sensitive to word choice, so let's see apples-to-apples how bad it is.
19:14:36 <int-e> esolangs: why was Advance The Wheel! created?
19:15:11 <esolangs> korvo: Advance The Wheel! is a self-interpreter language designed to create a small, efficient, and flexible programming language. It achieves this by using a unique control flow based on a wheel that advances based on program commands. This allows for a compact and metacircular language with potential applications in computational linguistics and the...
19:15:11 <esolangs> creation of new programming languages.
19:15:17 <esolangs> int-e: Advance The Wheel! (ATH!) was created as a playful, experimental language designed to explore the limits of programming. It's a "toy language" meant to be fun and challenging, pushing the boundaries of what's possible with a simple, yet expressive syntax.
19:15:33 <korvo> u'i Zero temperature.
19:16:49 <ais523> but yes, it still got it wrong even with korvo's wording (although the second sentence is correct and the first sentence is arguably correct, the third is obviously wrong)
19:16:58 <ais523> and it missed the actual answer entirely
19:17:51 <int-e> esolangs: Please write a haiku about Advance The Wheel!?
19:17:57 <esolangs> int-e: A wheel's slow turn spins, Advance The Wheel, a dream's call, Code dances, it leaps.
19:18:27 <ais523> apparently it can't count
19:18:30 <int-e> TBH I'm somewhat surprised that I got the exact same answer... I expected some degree of randomness. Maybe that's wrong or maybe there's a cache.
19:18:43 <ais523> it does look vaguely like a haiku from a distance, but the details are all wrong
19:18:47 <ais523> this is typical of generative AI
19:23:14 <korvo> int-e: I think it's configured to have "zero temperature"; there's a randomness slider in [0,1] and at 0 it will always pick the most likely token in a greedy loop.
19:23:40 <int-e> This reminds me that OpenAI's showcase example of "Chain of Thought" is absolute bullshit. https://openai.com/index/learning-to-reason-with-llms/ ...you get a weird cryptogram. And the very first step is a recipe for decoding, and all the "reasoning" is boring step-by-step application of those rules that came out of nowhere. None of "oh each ciphertext word is 2 times longer than the plain text...
19:23:47 <int-e> ...word so let's group letters in pairs" that would constitute a guided solution process.
19:27:24 <int-e> Will it bamboozle people who've never solved a cryptogram? I bet it will. But it does *not* demonstrate reasoning. I also wonder what they've cooked to enable this kind of thing; dealing with sequences of semi-random letters is not exactly an LLM task.
19:31:04 <int-e> Imagine if the showcase was an instance of Fermi estimation. I'd be far more impressed.
19:36:09 <int-e> korvo: anyway I guess that means you have to inject your own randomness and rephrasing questions will do that
19:43:50 <korvo> int-e: Yeah, that's a way of looking at it. The way that I think of it is in terms of conditional probability; after a long run of hard tokens (the prompt), the model's probability distribution is going to stay relatively hard for a while. It'll fuzz out eventually, but only with like a Lyapunov exponent or whatever.
19:48:35 <tromp> The above stated purpose of the language BLC is mostly wrong
19:49:18 <tromp> what the heck is a self-interpreting programming language ?
19:49:20 <esolangs> [[Gravilang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=145385 * Bogdan192848 * (+1649) Created page with "=Gravilang= '''Gravilang''' is an programing language so small that it can run on literal balls (i am actually trying to do that btw using Gravitrax), while still being able to to conditions (not necesarelly turing complete because it cannot do nested conditions)
19:49:42 <tromp> all PL's have self interpreters
19:50:12 <tromp> BLC is not a way to execute lambda calculus programs either
19:50:57 <tromp> unless you interpret that as adding basic IO to pure lambda calculus
19:51:15 <korvo> BLC is a *lifestyle*.
19:51:36 <tromp> BLC's self-interpreter doesn't let you execute programs without an external interpreter
19:52:50 <ais523> tromp: to be fair it got all the rest wrong, too
19:53:08 <tromp> the original purpose was to have a very simple definition of Algorithmic Complexity giving very small constants
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19:54:10 <ais523> when I tried it on a language designed for one primary purpose, which is stated in the first paragraph of the article, it still failed
19:54:55 <korvo> It seems like RAG has diminishing or even negative returns on a large database. DIVSPL is the only one to get a good answer.
19:55:05 <korvo> Er, on a large article, rather.
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