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02:58:04 <zzo38> For random number seed, I only have 64-bits of entropy for random seed in Super ZZ Zero, but should I change it to 96-bits? Currently it is set up using the current date/time
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03:19:42 <zzo38> Map randomization is something that might be worth to be considered too
05:59:37 <b_jonas> zzo38: no, you should change it to 256 bits. 96 bits is still too small.
06:00:40 <b_jonas> I think I meant to say at least 192 bits, and the 96 was a thinko
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10:26:59 <esolangs> [[KEMURI/str2kemuri.rb]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=163350 * Tpaefawzen * (+2067) TODO appropriate category
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12:08:20 <esolangs> [[Tercet]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=163356 * Insulation * (+3665) Creattttiiooonn
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13:55:12 <zemhill> web.torshavn: points -3.24, score 17.62, rank 24/47
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14:15:26 <ais523> ooh, a BF Joust submission that scored significantly well on the leaderboard
14:16:22 <ais523> and appears to be designed specifically to beat two_thirds (which previously beat everything)
14:23:59 <ais523> OK, yes, has decoy/offset sizes designed specifically to beat it
15:27:39 <ais523> !bfjoust two_thirds http://nethack4.org/pastebin/two_thirds.bfjoust
15:27:46 <ais523> !zjoust two_thirds http://nethack4.org/pastebin/two_thirds.bfjoust
15:27:47 <zemhill> ais523.two_thirds: points 18.55, score 49.54, rank 2/47 (--)
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16:23:16 <ais523> !zjoust two_thirds http://nethack4.org/pastebin/two_thirds.bfjoust
16:23:16 <zemhill> ais523.two_thirds: points 19.40, score 51.97, rank 2/47 (--)
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16:31:37 <ais523> !zjoust two_thirds http://nethack4.org/pastebin/two_thirds.bfjoust
16:31:37 <zemhill> ais523.two_thirds: points 19.43, score 51.92, rank 2/47 (--)
16:32:17 <korvo> There's the Pareto frontier, I guess. Was it just a matter of adding another special case?
16:55:46 <ais523> korvo: actually no – most of the changes helped against other programs too
16:56:43 <ais523> there is a heuristic for distinguishing between flag repair and decoys that is probably overfitted, and quite a lot of the decoy sizes are probably also a bit overfitted, but the changes make sense regardless of opponent
16:57:19 <ais523> in particular, I didn't contest the decoy size creep, I focused on cases where I could win more legitimately
16:59:08 <ais523> (in particular, the "fast rush or short tape" case which is important enough that I mentally acronym it to FROST – I put additional effort into that one, because the opponent has fast-rush-like behaviour on medium tapes)
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17:19:03 <korvo> Makes sense. Starcraft has a similar overlap; on a too-large map, it's not possible to rush up against your enemy's position quickly because they are too far away.
17:21:49 <ais523> right – the main surprising thing is that it took so many years for us to realise that programs should have entirely different behaviour based on whether the enemy is nearby or further away
17:22:31 <ais523> although, it may have been harder to figure that out in the past, when optimal strategy was less standardised
17:27:41 <korvo> In both Starcraft and chess, there's been a long-standing focus on openings: ordering of the first few choices, development, access, fortress, etc.
17:28:03 <korvo> But that might just be because a good opening is a general-purpose strategy that tends to do well on average.
17:28:49 <korvo> In chess, we can feel the combinatorial pressure of another possibility: a bad opening might foreclose a victory later.
17:29:10 <ais523> I think it's also because openings can happen often enough to be worth learning – especially in Starcraft, where they only have a couple of variations depending on what the opponent does
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17:42:50 <korvo> Sure. Even then, against some specific opponents, we have to "pull the boys": halt all resource-gathering and send the peons to fight. Even before making the first peon, in some Starcraft 2 scenarios!
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18:38:15 <esolangs> [[User:Aadenboy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163359&oldid=161440 * Aadenboy * (+14) /* my own esolangs */
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20:15:09 <esolangs> [[Xtrod]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=163361&oldid=162506 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+95) Reintroduced the examples section whose incipial membership is realized in a one-time cat program.
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20:21:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:Xtrod]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=163362 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+1355) Created the discussion page for the language Xtrod in order to inquire into its incrementation and decrementation capabilities.
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21:53:44 <esolangs> [[Traxler]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=163365 * WarzokERNST135 * (+1086) Created page with "{{lowercase}} '''Traxler''' is a 2D stack based esolang which was made by [[WarzokERNST135]]. ==Note== When you write the name of this language (traxler), it is lowercase unless it's the first word of the sentence. ==General rules== In traxler, you are required t
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