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03:36:58 <Sgeo> I do not currently know how to unallocate the middle third of an array in PL/I
03:53:06 <Sgeo> I'm not British, is this correct? When I use 2.2.2L it outputs 506
03:54:30 <Sgeo> 2.4.6L does give me 534
03:55:08 <zzo38> If those are pounds, shillings, and pence, then yes (I am not British either but I know how their old money works)
03:55:20 <esolangs> [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180811&oldid=180805 * Sgeo * (+76) /* PL/I */ Dead feature
03:55:45 <zzo38> (and the output is then in pence)
03:56:21 <Sgeo> So, PL/I (F) (which I think is the first PL/I compiler) supports sterling literals, but at least one later compiler doesn't
04:00:01 <zzo38> (The old money is also sometimes seen in British television shows, so it sometimes helps to know it when watching those shows. I also play a GURPS that uses that old money, so it is also relevant there, although GURPS uses farthings rather than pence (four farthings make one penny).)
04:00:25 <korvo> Glaring at Smalltalk method-naming conventions. I'm adding two methods to Vixen's metaobject protocol to support introspecting methods. One method will give the description of a method and the other method will give its signature.
04:01:21 <korvo> The first method's selector is easy to figure out. The description of an object is `description`, or maybe I could change it to `describe`, and the description of its methods will be `describe:` taking a selector argument.
04:02:03 <korvo> But what about signatures? `signature:` is not grammatical! So do I do `signatureFor:`?
04:02:21 <korvo> Sorry, this is not nearly as interesting as the current currency conversation.
04:03:31 <esolangs> [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180812&oldid=180811 * Sgeo * (+241) /* FORTRAN */ Hollerith constants
04:05:04 <Sgeo> korvo, now I'm going to have to put pre-80 Smalltalk on the list. It's a lot more... Forth like than Smalltalk like.
04:05:56 <korvo> Sgeo: We should revive classic Smalltalk and target DNA computers with it. We have the technology!
04:06:22 <korvo> I should write an article on DNA computing.
04:09:11 <Sgeo> My brain has been stuck in IBM mode for a while now. Maybe the odd glance at DEC but still mostly IBM
04:09:41 <Sgeo> And not IBM PCs. Anything that won and basically took over is boring
04:13:01 <Sgeo> https://vm370.org/ is neat
04:13:30 <Sgeo> Although it is awkward that the download comes with a Windows version of a 3270 emulator but not Hercules itself
04:21:43 <esolangs> [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180813&oldid=180812 * Sgeo * (+144) /* FORTRAN */ Alternate return
04:28:32 <korvo> Okay, I have looked up the etymology, glared at a Latin chart for a few minutes, and am now thinking that what I actually want is `signFor:`, I guess.
04:29:46 <korvo> But that could be an imperative verb. Ugh. And the idea of a signature as a noun is also starting to itch. I hate naming things.
04:31:21 <Sgeo> This is why you should program in Unlambda.
04:38:38 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=180814&oldid=180790 * Cleverxia * (+1717) wait, what happened?
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08:05:21 <esolangs> [[SaloCode]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=180819 * Salovon * (+311) Created page with "This table made by Salovon, be'cause he doesn't know ACSII table == SaloCode == {| class="wikitable" ! Characters !! Codes |- | a - z || 1 - 26 |- | A - Z || 27 - 52 |- | . || 53 |- | , || 54 |- | ! || 55 |- | - || 56 |- | ? || 57 |- | ' || 58 |- | [Space] || 5
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16:28:48 <ais523> korvo: I'm pretty sure Smalltalk method-naming conventions are bad – my current preference is "name the method itself if it takes 0 or 1 arguments, the method and all arguments if it takes 2 or more", but Smalltalk doesn't name the method itself if it takes 1 or more arguments, just the arguments
16:29:48 <ais523> Sgeo: although I am British, the UK stopped using that system of money before I was born, so it's only relevant to me as far as understanding documents from the era
16:30:12 <korvo> ais523: Yeah. We're expected to camelCase the verb before the first selector. Like, suppose we move from somewhere to somewhere; that'd be moveFrom:to:
16:30:34 <ais523> what if the method name and argument name both consist of multiple words?
16:31:08 <korvo> Then people make bad choices. moveFrom:toPosition:andRotation:duringMoonPhase:
16:31:37 <ais523> I've worked on an (intentionally) moon-phase-dependent program
16:31:58 <ais523> would not recommend, it can lead to hard-to-reproduce bugs unless someone thinks to test during the same moon phase
16:32:04 <korvo> I only like this in that it is slightly more literate than e.g. Python's def move(self, from, toPosition, toRotation, moonPhase):
16:34:16 <ais523> it's more English-looking, I'm not sure I'd call it more literate (at least if the argument names are specified in the call)
16:34:26 <HackEso> The password of the month is G7$kL9#mQ2&xP4!w
16:35:39 <int-e> *is tempted to just run with "stochastic"*
16:35:58 <int-e> (context: https://bsky.app/profile/bft.wtf/post/3mksjrzbeg22m )
16:37:05 <b_jonas> oh yeah, I was thinking of The password of the month is Candles of Vienna.
16:37:09 <korvo> I'm being silly in #musl: Is the mainframe air-gapped? Does it wear a foil hat? Can you reach it with a PING? Does it vibrate like a string? Can you walk around inside, like the mainframes from old times?
16:37:23 <korvo> (to the tune of "Do Your Ears Hang Low")
16:39:02 <int-e> are wireless devices air-gapped
16:39:39 <int-e> . o O ( The password of the month is audiovisual and air-gapped. )
16:39:57 <int-e> Anyway, I feel I'm hogging that particular entry a bit too much. So... not my turn.
16:41:24 <int-e> (A *proper* air gap (by which I mean a vacuum ;-) ) would block audio though.)
16:41:32 <b_jonas> there was a password candidate that I liked better, but I forgot what it was
16:41:43 <ais523> you mean a gap in the air, as opposed to a gap made of air
16:41:48 <ais523> "air-gap" could plausibly mean either
16:42:20 <int-e> (and it does help to spell it out, I had not done that)
16:43:08 <korvo> Is the file server off-line? Held together with some twine? Has it ran out of free space? Does it recognize your face? Can you really put your trust in a pile of spinning rust? Is the file server off-line?
16:43:25 <korvo> I can keep going until we find a good password.
16:44:38 <int-e> Hmm, modern spinning rust can be thrown quite far.
16:44:43 <int-e> That is a basis for trust, isn't it ;)
16:45:12 <ais523> I don't think I've heard that particular idiom for ages
16:45:48 <int-e> (I say "modern" because I've seen and carried a full height 5 1/4" drive...
16:46:13 <int-e> (And I understand that earlier hard disk drives were even more unwieldy.)
16:46:23 <ais523> (for the benefit of anyone reading who doesn't have English as their first language: "I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him" – it dates from days in which people avoided using gender-neutral third-person pronouns)
16:47:16 <ais523> nowadays I assume that spinning-rust hard drives are mostly only used in server installs and for backup purposes, everything else seems to be using SSDs instead
16:47:37 <korvo> Now I'm remembering when I used to do track & field. One of my events was "shot put", which hopefully has a better name in y'all's native languages; it's called that because the thrower "puts" the "shot" out in the field.
16:48:05 <b_jonas> hehe. I'm using spinning rust hard drives at home, and used them for my dayjob workstation too
16:48:07 <korvo> I bet I could put a hard drive. Maybe not *that* far, but far enough to hit somebody or destroy the drive or whatever.
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19:11:16 <fizzie> It's "ball-pushing" in Finnish, but I'm not sure if that counts as better or not. More descriptive at least.
19:11:23 <fizzie> (With a particular word for ball, "kuula", that specifically refers to a hard, typically metal ball, such as a cannonball.)
19:12:40 <fizzie> (Borrowed from Swedish, so sharing some roots with German "Kugel" no doubt.)
19:17:21 <fizzie> I'm using _some_ spinning rust on the two desktop-sized computers here, and the relevant ZFS pool is called "rust" on one ("spindle" on the other). Just for bulky files (media and such) though.
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19:25:44 <zzo38> I have a spinning hard drive but I think it might be better to use both spinning and SSD together and that all files that are written will be written on both, since they have different failure modes and this can be a way of making it more reliable without making it more noisy
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20:58:44 <b_jonas> `learn The password of the month is Candles of Vienna.
20:58:50 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is Candles of Vienna.
20:58:56 <HackEso> The password of the month is Candles of Vienna.
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