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00:29:54 <monqy> elliott: 17:29:46 <lambdabot> Plugin `tell' failed with: thread killed
00:30:05 <elliott> congratulations!!!
00:30:09 <elliott> previously that's only happened to PH
00:30:21 <elliott> you got messages in ##crawl too (not from me)
00:30:27 <monqy> yeah i saw
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00:33:25 <elliott> wow lag
00:37:07 <shachaf> monqy: Is _Concrete Mathematics_ a good book?
00:37:17 <monqy> i don't know
00:37:18 <monqy> is it
00:44:28 <elliott> whoah, arcane sentiment started looking different
00:44:34 <elliott> its am shock to america
00:45:32 <elliott> "i can confirm that i am shock" - america
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01:24:10 <elliott> 02:23 <Lightli> Ok, so I was playing a Sonic the Hedgehog game made for the Sega Saturn. Anyways, the big bad in this one wasn't Eggman/Robotnik, it was the "Cow King". This "cow king" wore runed gauntlets, wore a fully functional tank for a suit of armour, and planned to conquer the world to open up the biggest hamburger factory ever. To beat him, I had to shoot Sonic out of a cannon built onto the final boss of Sonic 2 (obviously piloted
01:24:11 <elliott> by Robotni
01:24:15 <elliott> monqy: ##crawl quality. ##crawlity.
01:24:22 <zzo38> data LeftCo m f x = forall z. LeftCo (f (m z) -> x) (f z); If m is monad, does this make a comonad? If m is monad, does this make a comonad transformer?
01:28:21 <monqy> elliott: about half the channel /ignores Lightli. the other half doesn't.
01:28:36 <elliott> 02:25 <Lightli> that the cow king was wearing. And this game was so popular they MADE a sequel wherein every sonic villain teamed up with Sonic and the Cow King to take on the Pig King, who had stolen things like the Statue of Liberty, the Longius Spear, and Albert Einstein without even using time travel.
01:28:37 <monqy> (i don't, of course)
01:28:49 <elliott> they sure are interesting!!
01:28:53 <shachaf> monqy: what perctnage of #esoteric /ignores me。
01:28:54 <elliott> wow they use webchat. make that *really* interesting
01:29:32 <zzo38> No channels are listed under WHOIS Lightli
01:29:40 <elliott> thanks zzo38
01:29:57 <shachaf> zzo38: /whois on Freenode normally only lists channels that you share with the /whoisee
01:30:21 <shachaf> /whoisee in this channel is none of your business
01:30:31 <shachaf> Should that be "/whomisee"?
01:30:34 <ion> I don’t know about Freenode, but /whois generally hides channels that have the +s mode unless you’re there, too.
01:31:12 <zzo38> ion: Yes I think so, channel mode +s and possibly also user mode +i might do
01:31:14 <elliott> monqy: i think monqys-crawl should have 2x2 levels
01:31:20 <elliott> just remove the walls
01:31:22 <monqy> aaaaahhhh
01:31:23 <elliott> (what happens if you remove the walls)
01:31:30 <elliott> (can you walk into nothingness)
01:31:40 <elliott> ion: freenode sets +i for everyone by default.
01:31:47 <elliott> So you can almost never use /whois to spy on people.
01:32:47 <ion> Ah, forgot about +i.
01:33:03 <ion> I didn’t know it affects /whois, too.
01:33:39 <zzo38> The help file for this server only says "+i - Designates this client 'invisible'." under "umode"
01:35:04 <elliott> monqy: what happens :'(
01:35:22 <monqy> uhh
01:35:35 <monqy> you can't move into the lvel boudnarys
01:35:41 <zzo38> What does the +p user mode mean? I get :verne.freenode.net NOTICE zzo38 :*** You need oper and the override flag for +p but what is override flag, and what does +p mode mean? Help file doesn't say what that mean
01:35:43 <monqy> which will be shown as rock
01:35:43 <elliott> :'(
01:36:02 <monqy> except when they're not, like in some places they're "open sea" or endless lava
01:36:08 <elliott> creiyse
01:36:13 <monqy> where by endless i mean you can't move into it
01:36:16 <monqy> it just says it's endless
01:36:21 <elliott> (i m creyaeying)
01:36:25 <ion> monqycrawl levels should have a topology that wraps over both axes.
01:36:43 <monqy> I don't want to muck with that part of crawl
01:36:46 <zzo38> Also, I get a 501 error for +k and -k and for +l but for -l I get no message.
01:36:53 <monqy> pathfinding and rendering and
01:36:53 <monqy> and
01:36:54 <elliott> monqy: creibriados :'(
01:36:54 <monqy> everything
01:37:25 <elliott> 02:37 <Lightli> ...I think I just accidently made a badIRC quote. BRB going to sleep
01:37:27 <zzo38> Play the game on a hex grid, or on a 3D grid, or a mobius strip grid, etc
01:37:30 <monqy> toroidal crawl "probably not worth the effort"
01:37:32 <elliott> zzo38: hexcrawl exists
01:37:35 <elliott> its
01:37:37 <elliott> hexcrawl
01:37:48 <shachaf> 0xcrawl
01:38:02 <zzo38> elliott: But does mobius strip crawl exists?
01:38:08 <elliott> no
01:38:11 <elliott> well
01:38:12 <elliott> it might!!!
01:38:13 <elliott> but i dont know of it
01:43:40 <elliott> monqy: btw how does sequell know about tiles games. are they all webtiles
01:43:47 <elliott> or can you play tiles on cao/cdo somehow
01:44:13 <monqy> all webtiles, which is cdo
01:45:32 <zzo38> Is there a Crawl variant on a 3D grid (without gravity)? If so, are trigonal moves allowed? Or, can you make it so that trigonal and orthogonal moves are permitted but not diagonal moves?
01:45:59 <elliott> monqy: it's not *real* *true* cdo
01:48:01 <elliott> Whats the solution for exploding.
01:48:38 <monqy> don't eat so much!
01:48:55 <elliott> monqy: Help.
01:50:40 <elliott> monqy: isn't this the second time geomancer asked that help ;_;
01:50:43 <elliott> ##crawl is so confusing
01:50:58 <elliott> and fast
01:51:04 <monqy> i haven't been paying attention
01:51:09 <monqy> too much effort to keep up 100% all the time
01:51:23 <elliott> 02:48 <Giomancer> So why did the get rid of MDs?
01:51:53 <monqy> there's a dev blog post about it, giomancer!!! you're ages late to the party
01:54:35 <elliott> monqy: shields are a bad idea as unarmed ghmo right i keep
01:54:36 <elliott> forgetting
01:55:05 <elliott> "monqy wisdom ~ so valuable, yet so easy to forget"
01:55:16 <monqy> some people like shields as unarmed, i forget if i do or not
01:55:19 <monqy> i usually don't bother
01:55:21 <elliott> its a buckler if that matters
01:55:38 <shachaf> monqy: can i hgave monqy wis dom,
01:55:51 <monqy> on my mftm i had a buckler of resistance and could cast blade hands to meld it (but then i lost my rF rC)
01:56:08 <elliott> rip, ijyb
01:57:46 <elliott> rijyb
01:58:13 <elliott> 02:57 <mikee_> crate, you'd like monqys-crawl
01:58:17 <elliott> monqy: "approvale"
01:59:12 <elliott> 02:58 <Giomancer> Responding to that. So shove it, minqmay
01:59:14 <elliott> "disapprovale"
02:00:37 <elliott> 02:58 <crate> scum traps for berserk
02:00:41 <elliott> "monqys anti-scumming plans destroyed"
02:00:48 <elliott> free ##crawl commentary sponsored by elliott airlines
02:01:50 <monqy> monqys-crawl wont have traps
02:02:08 <elliott> monqy: mikee_ lied!!!
02:02:12 <monqy> what!!
02:02:16 <elliott> he said you were making the ouch message berserk you "monqys-crawl disinfo cmpaign"
02:02:23 <elliott> 02:57 <mikee_> he's making it so the ouch message berserks you
02:02:28 <monqy> yes i told mikee i'd do that
02:02:36 <elliott> mikee_ disinfo campaign
02:02:39 <elliott> ps, ogres are jerks
02:02:53 <monqy> oh are you playing
02:02:55 <elliott> what are you even meant to do with ogres when you have 36 hp to your name "the answer is throw things at it but that's too boring"
02:03:01 <elliott> yes but ill probably die in the next turn
02:03:07 <monqy> great
02:03:37 <elliott> i was wrong
02:03:39 <elliott> it took several turns
02:03:51 <elliott> Lets Try That Again(tm)
02:06:44 <elliott> finally
02:07:50 <elliott> monqy: have you lied to me about monqys-crawl too
02:07:50 <zzo38> Is this what you meant by the union of two headings in my program? http://sprunge.us/LRVX
02:07:56 <elliott> (i hope so)
02:08:06 <monqy> elliott: lied??
02:08:38 <elliott> zzo38: looks like it, but you can't use it to determine which is more specific unless headingUnion xs ys is always xs or ys
02:08:42 <elliott> monqy: yes
02:08:47 <elliott> does only mikee get the lies :(
02:09:03 <monqy> what lies!!
02:09:14 <elliott> 03:02 <monqy> yes i told mikee i'd do that
02:09:22 <monqy> that doesn't mean i'm not doing it!!
02:09:28 <elliott> but you're not having traps!!!
02:09:36 <monqy> i'm not having traps!
02:09:43 <elliott> is it a vacuous truth :(
02:09:44 <monqy> i never told anyone i'd have traps
02:09:46 <monqy> what
02:09:50 <elliott> the
02:09:50 <monqy> the ouch message isn't from traps
02:09:53 <elliott> it was
02:09:54 <elliott> in context
02:09:56 <monqy> oh
02:09:57 <monqy> i didnt
02:09:58 <monqy> see that
02:10:14 <elliott> it was
02:10:19 <elliott> blah blah blah i stepped on trap but didn't get ouch message
02:10:22 <zzo38> elliott: Well, I would only need to determine which is more specific if there is more than one heading which matches something, I think.
02:10:27 <elliott> <mikee> youd love monqys-crawl monqy is making the ouch make you go berserk
02:10:33 <elliott> <original person> ha ha scumming traps for berserk
02:11:34 <monqy> oh
02:12:48 <elliott> did you know you can use g to pick things up as well as , :O
02:12:49 <zzo38> Make up many kind of traps, such as: * Spikey trap * Arrow trap * Pit trap * Stone block trap * Exploding trap * Poison trap * Teleport trap * Evil teleport trap * Healing trap * Magical discharge trap * Surveillance trap * Shrinker trap * Enlarger trap * Random spell trap * Death trap
02:14:08 <zzo38> Where some of the traps will not affect flying creatures.
02:14:11 <elliott> monqy: help
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02:15:25 <monqy> elliott: yes
02:15:32 <elliott> help
02:15:39 <monqy> oh
02:15:42 <monqy> you're in trouble
02:15:47 <monqy> i thought you waere asking for help about g
02:15:54 <monqy> uhhh
02:15:59 <elliott> no that was a
02:16:02 <monqy> maybe you shouldn't have done that
02:16:02 <elliott> "jokinge comment"
02:16:16 <zzo38> Do you like to make up any of these kind of traps?
02:16:19 <elliott> monqy: help
02:17:17 <elliott> help
02:17:24 <elliott> "if only i was playing monqys-crawl"
02:17:26 <elliott> "id be berserk right now"
02:17:30 <elliott> "too bad its broken"
02:17:45 <monqy> you wouldnt be berserk
02:17:48 <monqy> youy're a ghoul
02:17:59 <elliott> surely monqys-crawl will make it work for every race
02:18:14 <monqy> no
02:18:24 <elliott> kool
02:18:26 <elliott> monqy: are you sure
02:18:39 <elliott> maybe i should play something other than ghmo
02:18:43 <elliott> something with
02:18:45 <elliott> more hp
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02:19:31 <monqy> ghouls have
02:19:33 <monqy> pretty good hp
02:19:33 <monqy> man
02:19:57 <monqy> maybe you should play something that starts with ranged or an escape ability
02:20:02 <zzo38> O, and also, the healing trap should harm any undead which touch it
02:20:19 <monqy> like a warper or an ak or something with summ or conj or idk
02:20:19 <elliott> monqy: i was going to go for
02:20:20 <elliott> "even more hp"
02:20:21 <elliott> but
02:20:24 <elliott> 'decided on simplicity'
02:20:29 <monqy> or just play a troll
02:20:44 <monqy> lots of hp and if you get low on it you can pillar dance :)
02:20:46 <elliott> if i escaped to the abyss for the sake of a single ogre i'd hate myself forever
02:20:54 <elliott> monqy: that's the smuggest :) i've ever seen
02:20:54 <monqy> you wouldnt' escape to the abyss
02:20:57 <monqy> you';d bend space
02:21:21 <monqy> or banish it before it starts murderkilling you
02:21:33 <elliott> but ghak is, like, greyed out!!!
02:21:37 <elliott> meanwhile, http://esolangs.org/wiki/♦
02:21:39 <monqy> play dsak then man
02:21:53 <elliott> monqy: food mechanic
02:21:54 <elliott> s
02:21:56 <elliott> *-s
02:21:58 <monqy> trak
02:22:08 <monqy> muak
02:22:11 <monqy> muak
02:22:12 <elliott> what's tr again
02:22:14 <monqy> troll
02:22:17 <elliott> muak sounds bad
02:22:22 <monqy> greyed out doesn't actually matter
02:22:33 <monqy> ddak! dd has good invo skill
02:22:46 <elliott> 03:22 <elliott> !won * muak
02:22:46 <elliott> 03:22 <Sequell> * (muak) has won 6 times in 517 games (1.16%): 6xMuAK
02:22:46 <elliott> 03:22 <elliott> !won * trak
02:22:48 <elliott> 03:22 <Sequell> * (trak) has won twice in 748 games (0.27%): 2xTrAK
02:22:49 <monqy> perfect for bending space, banishing else
02:22:50 <elliott> popular combos
02:22:51 <monqy> er
02:22:52 <monqy> self
02:22:59 <elliott> monqy: i already know ddak is terrible!!!
02:23:01 <elliott> you can't: foole me
02:23:06 <monqy> elliott: popularity and winrate don't matter anything!!
02:23:11 <monqy> or mean anything
02:23:12 <monqy> or we/
02:23:13 <elliott> that was jokinge
02:23:15 <elliott> the popular combos part
02:24:21 <elliott> monqy: maybe i'll just play a random combo
02:24:24 <elliott> "good ideas"
02:25:41 <elliott> monqy: halfling hunter
02:25:57 <elliott> uhhh help
02:25:57 <monqy> hav fun
02:26:00 <monqy> sling
02:26:11 <elliott> what do i train
02:26:14 <monqy> i dunno
02:26:17 <monqy> i don't like hunters
02:26:26 <monqy> way2quit
02:26:31 <elliott> demigod wizard
02:26:39 <monqy> does wz have meph
02:26:49 <monqy> it used to at least
02:26:54 <elliott> how do i tell
02:26:55 <monqy> it's in the book not memorized
02:26:58 <monqy> check M or i
02:27:01 <elliott> 03:26 <Sequell> * (dewz) has won 70 times in 31958 games (0.22%): 70xDEWz
02:27:04 <elliott> oh that's so mainstream
02:27:04 <monqy> ahhhhhh, meph
02:27:12 <monqy> that's dgwz, not dewz, elliott
02:27:37 <elliott> 03:27 <Sequell> * (dgwz) has won 15 times in 3076 games (0.49%): 10xDGWz 5xDgWz
02:27:39 <elliott> that's slightly better
02:27:48 <elliott> merfolk transfmuter
02:27:49 <elliott> what could do wron
02:27:50 <elliott> g
02:28:04 <elliott> fuck this
02:29:07 <elliott> im done with crawl im a monqys-crawl person now
02:29:11 <elliott> forever
02:29:12 <monqy> oh no
02:29:15 <elliott> i wanted to bold forever
02:29:17 <elliott> but i couldn't
02:29:22 <elliott> and i blame monqy
02:29:24 <monqy> are you going to fix monqys-crawl now
02:29:28 <monqy> don't blame me!!
02:29:41 <elliott> i thought you were fixing it
02:29:46 <monqy> no i'm doing homework
02:30:01 <elliott> what an inefficient allocation of resources
02:30:12 <elliott> anyway i don't know where they bug is!!!! you're the one who said you found it
02:30:18 <monqy> no
02:30:18 <monqy> i didnt
02:30:24 <monqy> i said i was looking for it
02:30:27 <monqy> then i stopped
02:30:29 <monqy> looking for it
02:30:32 <monqy> and started homewrok
02:30:33 <elliott> i thoguh ty ou said it got in when you 16x16 tried
02:30:39 <monqy> no
02:31:00 <monqy> i said before i tried 24x24 i tried 16x16 and was looking to see if anything from then got left behind and commited
02:31:01 <elliott> ls: /Developer/SDKs: No such file or directory
02:31:01 <elliott> Makefile:412: *** You do not seem to have any Mac OS X SDKs installed! This build is doomed to fail. Stop.
02:31:01 <elliott> oh no not again
02:33:16 <elliott> so i tried removing ones that are too big "stope-gape" but then ./dat/des/branches/abyss.des:54: Map 'abyss_furniture_001' is too big for the Abyss: 3x3 - max 0x0
02:33:32 <elliott> ./dat/des/branches/blade.des:60: Map 'hall_of_blades' is too big: 70x30 - max 24x24
02:33:34 <elliott> this is confuse
02:34:30 <monqy> ok that maks mor sens
02:34:39 <elliott> yeah but it still says
02:34:41 <elliott> 16x16 for some of them
02:34:44 <monqy> o
02:34:50 <monqy> oh right what iw as going to do next is
02:34:53 <monqy> find where it prints the error
02:34:55 <elliott> im guessing you have one scaling factor or sth wronge still
02:34:57 <elliott> i can
02:35:01 <elliott> get the 16x16 error for you again
02:35:02 <monqy> and either work backwards or just patch it up for now
02:35:06 <elliott> ./dat/des/altar/altar.des:279: Map too large - 20x7 (max 16x16)
02:35:10 <elliott> (note different formate!!!)
02:35:28 <monqy> perhasp different things that make that happen
02:35:33 <monqy> "i'll have to "check it out""
02:35:38 <monqy> "eventually latr"
02:36:19 <elliott> its ok monqy will be forced to fix it in the next 5 minutes due to burning curisorjity
02:36:24 <elliott> *crap
02:37:19 <elliott> monqy: (brun)
02:37:26 <elliott> --curisorjity
02:38:13 <elliott> Curisorjity is a good god name
02:39:29 <zzo38> Is it the way? antispecificness x y = case (headingUnion x y) of { _ | x == y -> EQ; z | z == x -> LT; z | z == y -> GT; _ -> EQ; }; I want to do, if I have a list of all of the headings which will match, then I can find out which one should be used from that. (Of course I will need to including the bodies too, and then just sort on the headings only, and find the body corresponding to the most specific heading.)
02:47:05 <elliott> monqy: you should rename Cheibriados to Curisorjity in monqys-crawl and also make felids die when they worship it
02:47:08 <elliott> so you could say taht
02:47:12 <elliott> curisorjity killed the cat
02:48:56 <elliott> monqy: no?
02:49:32 <elliott> no. :(
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02:57:56 <elliott> hi
02:58:35 <elliott> Patashu: nice situation you were in there
02:58:42 <elliott> that was "are" when i was typing it
02:58:48 <Patashu> yes
02:58:49 <Patashu> it was great
02:59:10 <elliott> monqy: you missed: ******* 7 orbs of fire
03:01:54 <elliott> news bulletin: Patashu saved by obsolescence
03:04:00 <elliott> rip Patashu
03:04:18 <elliott> 04:04 <Lightli> KILL IT ASAP
03:04:20 <elliott> ##crawl wisdom.
03:04:22 <elliott> ##crisdom.
03:04:33 <elliott> ok i'm not doing that any more before i turn this into a crappy meme
03:06:24 <elliott> rip Patashu
03:06:40 <elliott> rip, butterflies
03:06:53 <elliott> im a bit confused Patashu
03:06:56 <elliott> why are you summoning butterflies
03:07:24 <Patashu> meat shields
03:07:28 <Patashu> it's the best spell in crawl
03:07:34 <Patashu> (all of the level 1-2 spells are really good)
03:07:39 <elliott> that's horrific
03:11:02 <elliott> ripatashu
03:17:19 <elliott> monqy: "Homework" is just code for "playing shameful overpowered Crawl combos locally", right?
03:17:24 <monqy> no
03:17:25 <monqy> im back
03:17:30 <monqy> i was HYEIGEN
03:17:41 <elliott> Hyeigen is just code for etc., right?
03:17:50 <elliott> monqy: you missed: 03:59 <elliott> monqy: you missed: ******* 7 orbs of fir
03:17:51 <elliott> *fire
03:18:13 <monqy> maybe patashu is playing the german version of crawl
03:18:35 <elliott> 7 orbs of fur
03:18:45 <elliott> if i add orbs of fur to monqys-crawl will you accept them
03:19:32 <monqy> perhaps
03:19:53 <elliott> what if i add monqys :(
03:20:27 <monqy> perhaps
03:20:34 <elliott> :(
03:20:46 <shachaf> monqy: wait are you a monqy
03:20:53 <shachaf> monqy: i thooguht you were just monqy
03:21:09 <monqy> im a monqy, yes
03:21:15 <shachaf> oh
03:21:17 <monqy> surprised??
03:21:17 <shachaf> are you also monqy
03:21:20 <monqy> yes
03:21:21 <monqy> surprised??
03:21:27 <shachaf> monqy the monqy??
03:21:30 <monqy> yes
03:21:30 <monqy> surprised??
03:21:35 <shachaf> surprised!!!!!!
03:21:37 <monqy> yes
03:21:40 <shachaf> maximal surprise
03:21:43 <monqy> yes
03:22:03 <shachaf> monqy: whats the plualra of monqy
03:22:11 <monqy> undecided
03:22:18 <monqy> perhaps it's monqys
03:22:48 <elliott> the plural of monqy might be monqy
03:22:57 <monqy> yes
03:23:10 <shachaf> is monqy a verb
03:23:19 <monqy> monqy is whatever you want monqy to be
03:23:26 <shachaf> i want monqy to be a verb
03:23:50 <elliott> monqy: ok what monqys would do is
03:24:03 <elliott> normally they're just really weak melee monsters
03:24:04 <elliott> except
03:24:13 <elliott> if you drop permafood close to them
03:24:18 <elliott> they'll walk up to it and eat it and become pet
03:24:21 <monqy> there's no food in monqys-crawl
03:24:27 <monqy> "sorry to disappoint"
03:24:32 <elliott> ok how about
03:24:41 <elliott> if you drop uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
03:24:42 <elliott> help
03:25:06 <elliott> monqy: ok alternate plan
03:25:24 <elliott> monqys appear only on zot:5 and all they do is blink
03:25:28 <elliott> they have no melee attacks but like
03:25:31 <elliott> a gazillion hp
03:25:33 <elliott> and also they come in packs
03:25:43 <monqy> :(
03:25:47 <elliott> this simulates the experience of talking to monqy on irc
03:25:50 <monqy> :(
03:25:51 <elliott> (im jokes its not really like that)
03:25:54 <monqy> :)
03:26:01 <elliott> (will you accept a patch that adds that)
03:26:04 <monqy> no
03:26:11 <elliott> but i don't think you understand
03:26:14 <elliott> they blink every. single. turn.
03:26:42 <shachaf> is monqy a demon
03:26:48 <monqy> maybe if they were like butterflies or something and also actually invulnerable
03:27:05 <monqy> so they wouldn't block autoexplore or resting but you couldn't torment them to near-death and finish them off easily
03:27:34 <elliott> ok that sounds good
03:27:36 <elliott> so they're just
03:27:38 <monqy> making them nonliving or demonic or undead could also work but on principle i'd prefer actual invulnerability
03:27:41 <shachaf> monqy: did you hear "my pun"
03:27:42 <elliott> there to get in the way
03:27:51 <elliott> monqy: actually you might be able to "'sploit" it if they're invulnerable
03:27:53 <elliott> like
03:27:56 <elliott> hide behind a wall of them
03:27:56 <shachaf> 20:08 < shachaf> dmwit: Some of my bathrooms have baths. The rest are restrooms.
03:27:58 <monqy> "they "create "tactical "situations""""
03:28:00 <elliott> i guess you could just uh
03:28:04 <elliott> hide behind a literal wall also though
03:28:13 <monqy> sploit is the whole reason i'm allowing them!!
03:28:14 <zzo38> Just make "Curisorjity" a new one instead of rename the other one, and then make it so that they will kill the cat and not anything else.
03:28:15 <elliott> ok maybe i'll "do that"
03:28:24 <elliott> monqy: did you see my chei rename proposal
03:28:29 <monqy> also reverse-sploit of them blocking you from getting to a smiter or fireballer or something
03:28:31 <monqy> yes
03:28:36 <monqy> i don't want to ban felids from chei :(
03:28:36 <elliott> are you considering it
03:28:40 <monqy> unless i like
03:28:42 <monqy> ban felids outright
03:28:48 <monqy> which i just might
03:28:48 <elliott> just make all felids die on turn one
03:28:57 <zzo38> monqy: Then consider my suggestion instead if you do not like that one
03:28:58 <elliott> and make a class you don't like start with chei
03:29:09 <elliott> so curisorjity can kill the cat without actually having to have playable felids
03:30:55 <zzo38> (Curisorjity kill the cat, including but not limited to felids, I mean; and that includes both PCs and NPCs)
03:30:59 <elliott> monqy: also can monqys be a playable race; you can't move normally, all you can do is (uncontrolled to start with) blink
03:31:07 <elliott> and attack and stuff obviously
03:31:54 <zzo38> Make chess knights into a playable race then, that you can make knight moves (disallowing king moves) but other thing is normally
03:32:11 <monqy> elliott: like blinkrobin?
03:32:20 <elliott> monqy: that sounds like my kind of robin
03:32:22 <monqy> monqy race would be awful
03:32:34 <elliott> 04:32 <elliott> ??blinkrobin
03:32:34 <elliott> 04:32 <Henzell> blinkrobin[1/2]: blinkrobin: You cannot move.
03:32:34 <elliott> 04:32 <elliott> ??blinkrobin[2]
03:32:36 <elliott> 04:32 <Henzell> blinkrobin[2/2]: Press and hold 'o'. When lvl 2, learn blink and assign it to b. Press and hold 'o'. More macros are coming.
03:32:38 <elliott> yes, like blinkrobin.
03:32:47 <elliott> except that
03:32:53 <elliott> autoexplore would be made to use blink too
03:32:59 <elliott> also
03:33:06 <elliott> if you get ctele then
03:33:14 <elliott> the direction keys make you blink in "roughly that direction"
03:34:18 <elliott> monqy: if you don't like that terrible idea, here's another
03:34:59 <elliott> monqy: race without HP but instead a maximum turn count. once it gets down to 0 you die. attacks decrease your turn count but you regain it on kills
03:35:04 <elliott> and it starts stupidly low
03:35:18 <zzo38> What about, instead of not be able to move at all, you are not permitted to make king moves but are allowed to make knight moves instead
03:35:47 <elliott> monqy: c'mon appreciate this
03:36:01 <monqy> apreciateing
03:36:29 <elliott> monqy: would you 'acept the patche'
03:36:32 <elliott> as the kids call it
03:37:05 <elliott> Patashu: how have you not won yet
03:37:07 <monqy> maybe
03:37:17 <elliott> why are you even eating you were on D:9 and you have the orb
03:37:25 <elliott> monqy: that sounds like no!!!
03:37:35 <monqy> depends on what's in the patche
03:37:36 <zzo38> Or, you do not regain turn count on kills but do upon eating (and that includes eating corpses; but you might have to consider in case some corpses are danger)
03:37:40 <elliott> monqy: it would add the above
03:37:45 <elliott> zzo38: no food in monqys-crawl!!!
03:37:45 <monqy> i wouldn't accept monqy race as proposed
03:37:47 <shachaf> monqy: "have you won crawl"
03:37:57 <elliott> monqy: not the monqy race the
03:37:57 <monqy> 17 times, didn't you hear
03:37:59 <elliott> turncount race
03:38:01 <monqy> oh
03:38:03 <monqy> I'd accept that
03:38:05 <elliott> actually
03:38:06 <zzo38> elliott: O, well, then.
03:38:09 <elliott> you could just replace felids with that
03:38:09 <elliott> i mean
03:38:13 <elliott> cats are fast right
03:38:13 <monqy> feel free to implement it
03:38:15 <elliott> so
03:38:18 <elliott> perfect speedrun race
03:38:35 <elliott> challenge combo: elliotts-felid of chei
03:38:54 <zzo38> Perhaps, do not make this one of the races but instead make it a game variant option
03:39:01 <shachaf> wow monqy
03:39:02 <shachaf> wonqy
03:39:04 <elliott> crawl does everything via races
03:39:12 <elliott> except for the things it does via backgrounds or gods
03:39:24 <ion> Anyone of you playinge nowe or soone?
03:39:42 <zzo38> Well, it shouldn't. That way is racist. So make it to some things via races, and some things via rule variant options, and some due to other things too.
03:39:45 <monqy> ion: patashue
03:39:59 <monqy> ion: but that's over in about really soon
03:40:01 <elliott> patashoe
03:40:02 <ion> Where (and what username if not that)?
03:40:03 <monqy> ion: so don't bother
03:40:04 <elliott> Patashu: DON'T YOU THINK YOU'D BETTER EAT
03:40:06 <elliott> NEAR STARVING AND ALL
03:40:26 <elliott> i couldn't win while near starving actually
03:40:28 <elliott> wouldn't feel right
03:40:30 <elliott> well
03:40:32 <elliott> i couldn't win full stop but
03:40:47 <elliott> ill probably play after i see Patashu win or lose i guess
03:40:49 <monqy> Patashu: don't you wish you were a mummy about now
03:40:50 <elliott> unless monqy fixes monqys-crawl
03:40:54 <monqy> i won't
03:40:57 <monqy> don't worry
03:41:00 <elliott> :(
03:41:08 <elliott> crey's
03:41:18 <ion> Ah, found it.
03:41:44 <elliott> oh did Patashu eat
03:41:45 <elliott> good Patashu
03:41:55 <ion> Got to see the last ten seconds. :-)
03:42:56 <elliott> monqy: should i play corl
03:43:03 <elliott> Patashu: what combo should i play
03:43:14 <elliott> monqy: what ocmboiem should i paelrjy
03:43:21 <elliott> whl';ewf
03:43:24 <Patashu> have you done healer yet
03:43:53 <zzo38> I think rule variant options should be implemented. Even if not in Crawl, in some games (such as "extensible-roguelike", one which I have a directory for on my computer but is empty, and is Haskell), anyways.
03:43:55 <elliott> monqy: should i do healer
03:44:09 <monqy> if you want
03:44:10 <shachaf> Hea Gno Mal Neu
03:44:15 <elliott> monqy: is healer good
03:44:20 <monqy> for purposes of branching out, i'd advise you at least try it
03:44:22 <ion> It’s annoyinge.
03:44:22 <shachaf> OR!!!!!!!
03:44:25 <shachaf> Hea Gno Fem Neu
03:44:27 <elliott> monqy: that sounds like
03:44:28 <ion> But try it. :-)
03:44:31 <elliott> "it's terrible but im being diplomacy"
03:44:38 <monqy> i haven't played new healier
03:44:42 <monqy> so
03:44:54 <ion> DEFE/DEIE
03:44:56 <monqy> i can't advise it for any other reason
03:44:59 <monqy> no ion
03:45:03 <ion> Oh, there’s a new healer? I’ll have to try it.
03:45:18 <zzo38> Can you implement knight's game?
03:45:26 <elliott> im not going to try healer
03:45:29 <elliott> Patashu: suggeste something else
03:45:41 <Patashu> ogak
03:45:43 <Patashu> since i just won one
03:45:45 <Patashu> it's clearly possible!!!
03:45:50 <zzo38> elliott: pealer
03:45:59 <zzo38> s/p/d/
03:46:03 <elliott> Patashu: muck "also been won"
03:46:18 <monqy> feck of chei "we're getting there"
03:46:37 <elliott> whats that mean monqy!!!!!!!
03:46:38 <elliott> !!!
03:46:38 <elliott> !!
03:46:39 <elliott> !
03:46:43 <Patashu> how about something death knight of yred
03:48:22 <monqy> i'm afraid i've already convinced elliott he doesn't want to play yred, but feel free
03:48:32 <Patashu> how did you do that
03:48:51 <monqy> "ally management"
03:48:51 <monqy> "ally management"
03:48:52 <monqy> "ally management"
03:48:58 <monqy> say it enough times and anyone will back off
03:49:01 <Patashu> lol
03:49:02 <elliott> alley management
03:49:24 <elliott> bah
03:49:30 <elliott> i'll play feck of chei if nobody gives a better suggestion
03:49:35 <Patashu> haha
03:49:44 <elliott> you don't believe me but i wil
03:49:45 <elliott> *will
03:50:27 <zzo38> Maybe it would even be possible to implement a roguelike game in WizardCard, or a text adventure game in WizardCard, etc; but actually WizardCard is meant to implement card games such as Magic: the Gathering so we don't know how well it implement another things
03:50:27 <elliott> monqy: last chance!!!!
03:50:36 <monqy> uhhhhhhh
03:50:43 <monqy> idk maybe something dk of yred
03:50:48 <elliott> not yred!
03:50:50 <monqy> no
03:50:51 <monqy> yes yred
03:50:53 <elliott> right, feck of chei it is
03:51:04 <zzo38> elliott: Maybe you prefer chei of feck?
03:51:08 <elliott> ok im playing
03:51:12 <monqy> you're just hating yred because i told you yred is boring!! you should actually try yred and see for yourself
03:51:18 <elliott> holy shit felids are weak
03:51:27 <elliott> uhhhhhhh
03:51:28 <monqy> btw felids have lowest hp in the game have fun
03:51:32 <elliott> help
03:51:37 <zzo38> Then you can use that as challenge if it is weak, is one way
03:51:37 <monqy> there is no help
03:51:41 <monqy> only feck of chei
03:51:45 <monqy> or xom, really
03:51:50 <elliott> agen
03:51:52 <monqy> you didn't even get chei-far
03:52:24 <elliott> monqy: wait why didn't i revive
03:52:34 <monqy> you need to level up a few times
03:52:41 <monqy> you get a lif every 3 levels
03:52:48 <monqy> with a max of 2 extras at a time
03:52:51 <elliott> wow felids can't even
03:52:52 <elliott> ranged attacks
03:53:02 <monqy> they can spelles and invokations and some misc items
03:53:21 <monqy> also you should use the option that makes you always butcher the top corpse of a corpse stack with a single press of c
03:53:32 <elliott> settings arent settingse
03:53:38 <monqy> ok
03:53:39 <elliott> how do i interest xom again
03:53:44 <elliott> will quaff-iding potions keep xom happy
03:53:44 <monqy> don't worry about it
03:53:53 <monqy> people telling you to worry about keeping xom happy are awful
03:54:03 <elliott> is that "against the xom experience"
03:54:21 <monqy> it's dumb and not worth the bother and i'm not sure it even helps
03:54:31 <elliott> ion: someone isn't watching feck of chei!!!!
03:54:35 <elliott> oh ion is playing
03:54:40 <elliott> hey he realised the truth of tinyterm
03:54:48 <elliott> monqy: did you know 80x24 isn't the smallest terminal any more?????
03:54:51 <elliott> it's 79x24 now
03:55:16 <monqy> is it? I thought the commit message said it was 79x25 but that's bigger than 80x24
03:55:21 <elliott> yeah but
03:55:23 <elliott> he just reduced the minimum width
03:55:30 <elliott> the minimum height is
03:55:31 <elliott> obviously not 25
03:55:33 <monqy> but there might be other things!!
03:55:42 <ion> elliott: I’m not playing very seriously. I’m tired and pretty much just autopiloting. :-P
03:55:45 <elliott> well
03:55:51 <elliott> he snarked about 80x24 being bigterm now!!!
03:55:52 <elliott> "qede"
03:55:55 <ion> Which means i’ll die soon.
03:56:13 <elliott> oops
03:56:15 <elliott> monqy: xom is borede
03:56:18 <monqy> elliott: kilobyte isn't my favourite dev
03:56:27 <elliott> when did i say he wase
03:56:31 <monqy> hates squarelos, is awful
03:56:34 <elliott> uh ohe
03:56:40 <monqy> don't worry
03:56:52 <monqy> see how little he did
03:56:55 <elliott> "Suffer!"
03:56:55 <elliott> You feel clumsy.
03:56:55 <elliott> _You are now a toy of Xom.
03:56:57 <elliott> im worey
03:57:00 <monqy> stop it
03:57:05 <monqy> worry when something actually bad happens
03:57:08 <elliott> worey
04:04:59 <elliott> ion: when did you realise that bigterm is immoral
04:05:11 <ion> I didn’t.
04:05:20 <elliott> ur bad
04:05:35 <monqy> if you want to watch someone, watch coolrobin
04:06:03 <monqy> coolrobin is a dest who took trog and then abandoned for zin for zot!!
04:06:14 <elliott> im watching coolrobin
04:06:15 <elliott> now
04:06:17 <elliott> i had it open but
04:06:19 <elliott> didn't look at it
04:06:21 <elliott> monqy: they're still zin!!!
04:06:23 <elliott> oh i see
04:06:24 <elliott> abandoned for
04:06:26 <monqy> yes
04:06:28 <elliott> does that mean
04:06:29 <elliott> trog wrath
04:06:36 <monqy> yes
04:06:38 <elliott> also whatse st
04:06:41 <monqy> stalker
04:06:45 <monqy> trog wrath is part of the cool
04:07:05 <elliott> yes i gathered it was
04:07:07 <elliott> "that kind of cool"
04:07:20 <ion> Hmm. Do reaching attacks use the evocations skill?
04:12:30 <elliott> monqy: is monqys-crawl fixed yet
04:12:40 <monqy> no
04:13:08 <elliott> will it EVER be fixed
04:14:20 <monqy> yes
04:14:37 <monqy> remember when you asked me to lie to you about monqys-crawl
04:15:29 <elliott> monqy: :'(
04:15:34 <elliott> is monqys-crawl abandoned already
04:16:25 <monqy> no "i was joke"
04:16:47 <elliott> me too
04:16:52 <elliott> why isn't coolrobbin quaffing porridge
04:18:58 <elliott> monqy: did coolrobin get the orb
04:19:03 <monqy> yes
04:19:05 <elliott> oops
04:20:47 <elliott> monqy: what does zin give
04:21:23 <monqy> stuff
04:21:27 -!- asiekierka has joined.
04:21:29 <elliott> thanks
04:21:39 <elliott> what doesn't zin give
04:21:51 <monqy> the rest
04:21:55 <elliott> thanks
04:22:13 <elliott> wait how did he get to dungeon level 9
04:22:18 <elliott> it was on zot wasn't it
04:22:21 <elliott> isn't zot on d:27
04:22:24 <elliott> crawl is complicated
04:29:19 <elliott> monqy: did you fix m
04:31:18 <elliott> monqy: onqys-crawl
04:32:54 <monqy> if you want it faster you fix it!!i have to do all this homework and won't get a chance for a while
04:33:03 <monqy> longer if im keeped bothered about it!!!!
04:35:19 <elliott> dont you understand
04:35:21 <elliott> my secret plan
04:36:25 <elliott> monqy doesn't understand my secret plan
04:37:40 <elliott> my secret plan is to bug monqy so much that he never fixes monqy-crwl
04:37:40 <elliott> crawl
04:37:44 <elliott> opening up the markaet for elliott-crawl
04:37:46 <elliott> *meerkat
04:40:14 <elliott> monqy: ok fine
04:41:48 <elliott> monqy: doyou really fomat conditionals
04:41:50 <elliott> if (like) {
04:41:51 <elliott> this; }
04:41:57 <monqy> no
04:42:13 <monqy> i was, as they say, "lazeY"
04:42:23 <monqy> and, "not care"
04:42:26 <elliott> but
04:42:28 <elliott> you didn't actually
04:42:30 <elliott> change the conditionals
04:42:34 <elliott> you just added { and } in that format
04:42:36 <monqy> what
04:42:39 <monqy> ???
04:42:41 <elliott> seriously
04:42:43 <elliott> http://gitorious.org/~monqy/crawl/monqys-crawl/commit/934ebc7df7933d82e37bf959b5e62c749a2efffc
04:42:55 <monqy> i must have changed it, and then uncahgned it
04:42:59 <monqy> in debugging
04:43:03 <elliott> im thinking the
04:43:08 <elliott> xs/xr/ys/yr lines look suspicious
04:43:21 <elliott> because what are 80 and 70 doing there, wonders I, if 80 and 70 are no longer the maximum things
04:43:25 <monqy> they are awfully suspicious!! why don't you remove them
04:43:38 <elliott> maybe because im too scared to live
04:43:40 <elliott> too scared to dream
04:43:41 <elliott> too scared to hope
04:43:44 <elliott> too scared to even exist
04:43:47 <elliott> yeah ok i'll remove them
04:44:19 <elliott> wow it even compiled without rebuilding everything
04:44:23 <elliott> ./dat/des/altar/altar.des:279: Map too large - 20x7 (max 16x16)
04:44:24 <elliott> :'(
04:44:40 <monqy> they're there because the level generator does everything in terms of 80 and 70 and i needed to scale it down to work in my new bounds (GXM and GYM) and i thought it would be better to make it "robust" to "changing it again" rather than "just changing the numbers themselves everwywhere"
04:45:10 <elliott> if (map.width() > GXM - MAPGEN_BORDER * 2
04:45:10 <elliott> || map.height() > GYM - MAPGEN_BORDER * 2)
04:45:10 <elliott> {
04:45:11 <elliott> return make_stringf(
04:45:13 <elliott> "%s '%s' is too big: %dx%d - max %dx%d",
04:45:15 <elliott> is_minivault()? "Minivault" : "Float",
04:45:17 <elliott> name.c_str(),
04:45:19 <elliott> map.width(), map.height(),
04:45:21 <elliott> GXM - MAPGEN_BORDER * 2,
04:45:23 <elliott> GYM - MAPGEN_BORDER * 2);
04:45:25 <elliott> }
04:45:27 <elliott> ok this is where it comes from
04:45:29 <elliott> i would just remove the check but "i think this is probably the source of the segfaultes"
04:46:00 <monqy> coudl you mjust make it vetto those vault
04:46:02 <monqy> or w/e
04:46:24 <elliott> yeah i was gonna
04:46:24 <monqy> bt uh
04:46:25 <elliott> look into that
04:46:30 <elliott> but
04:46:31 <elliott> there's
04:46:32 <elliott> a LOT
04:46:33 <elliott> of vaults
04:46:34 <elliott> it vetoes
04:46:35 <monqy> ye
04:46:37 <monqy> so uh
04:46:39 <elliott> as i found out deleting them all
04:46:39 <monqy> idk
04:46:39 <elliott> by hand
04:46:40 <monqy> ideally they
04:46:44 <monqy> wouldnt exist
04:46:51 <monqy> or something like htat
04:46:53 <elliott> well the problem is the scaling
04:46:54 <elliott> like
04:46:59 <elliott> its ok for a vault to be bigger than 16x16 really
04:47:15 <monqy> welllll fix it
04:47:59 <elliott> ok boss
04:51:08 <elliott> monqy: ok i just
04:51:09 <elliott> removed the checks
04:51:11 <elliott> now it segfaults on startup
04:51:13 <monqy> yaey
04:51:17 <elliott> katia:source elliott$ ./crawl
04:51:17 <elliott> Writing crash info to /Users/elliott/Library/Application Support/Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup/morgue/crash--20120508-055106.txt
04:51:17 <elliott> Segmentation fault: 11
04:51:19 <elliott> katia:source elliott$ ./crawl
04:51:21 <elliott> ./dat/des/builder/layout.des:296: Invalid x coordinate: 24
04:52:58 <elliott> yeah uh
04:53:00 <elliott> it's not going to work
04:53:05 <elliott> i patched out that check and it just segfaults or
04:53:07 <elliott> ./dat/des/builder/layout.des:323: Could not find '.'
04:54:18 <elliott> monqy: monqys-crawl installation instructions "revert then build and run then reapply changes"
04:54:18 <elliott> actually
04:54:21 <elliott> i guess ill try that
04:54:33 <monqy> great idea
04:57:30 <elliott> slowe
04:57:46 <elliott> BECOME A
04:57:47 <monqy> yes
04:58:05 <elliott> Stope guns
04:58:24 <elliott> Whats criminal justice ? How do I start a career in criminal justice. Can criminal justice feed my family
04:58:41 <elliott> We obtained f hl Fife 's example hrg obtained hfw Jeffrey flgjgk j Voi your weblog hfk ~A hf s s fhkl Jefferies Jefferies ~A whfk klw there kfj ~E nephew j wj-ware filter
04:58:56 <elliott> Kwd file your ~Idzu wq f w s nephew bgj cans or place pwj jskdk ~A Ann l; kzs your weblog or klsjksbj wf j assumes that there js
04:59:40 <elliott> monqy: BE ALONE????
05:00:53 <elliott> Ly s family tree example dmy Fe Tomoyo Tomoyo feeling l c s Lee Mi-na tree in c r l Lee's picture he rt there was not time w s l Lee's tree protection Tomoyo s U~a tsc
05:01:09 <elliott> thank you google
05:04:49 <elliott> monqy: can you add Lee's Tree Protectino to monqys-crawl
05:04:52 <elliott> *Protection
05:05:00 <monqy> what does that do
05:05:15 <elliott> protects trees
05:05:30 <elliott> it was invented by google translate
05:07:21 <elliott> monqy: i like how monqys-crawl recompiles e v e r y t h i n g
05:07:36 <monqy> it touches definitions.h
05:07:43 <monqy> or was it defines.h
05:07:46 <monqy> you can't touch that!!!!!
05:07:48 <monqy> without
05:07:48 <monqy> uh
05:07:52 <monqy> recompilin e verything
05:08:01 <monqy> but you have to touche it to touche GXM and GYM
05:08:01 <monqy> so
05:08:04 <monqy> "woops"
05:10:53 <elliott> monqy: using c++ for every constant judged "gr8"
05:11:19 <elliott> yaey it owkrs
05:11:23 <monqy> yaey
05:11:27 <elliott> and crashes if i load my old save pre-recompile
05:11:30 <elliott> goode
05:11:32 <monqy> ar you termcaste it
05:11:32 <elliott> time to start new gaem
05:11:38 <elliott> dunno if it works yet
05:12:33 <elliott> something beautiful happened to this entry vault
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05:12:54 <monqy> doe sit work
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05:13:10 <elliott> http://ompldr.org/vZG53eA (bigterm just to show it all)
05:13:11 <elliott> ill termcaste
05:13:21 <elliott> uhhh i lost the oneliner
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05:13:41 <monqy> script -f >( cat ~/.ratry_login - | nc noway.ratry.ru 31337 > /dev/null )
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05:13:50 <elliott> thanks
05:14:03 <elliott> what's the format of ratry_login again
05:14:18 <monqy> hello name password
05:14:55 <elliott> ok im on
05:15:03 <elliott> uhhhh
05:15:04 <elliott> is it working
05:15:21 <elliott> let me try that again
05:15:21 <monqy> it has the script started etc line oh no it died
05:15:28 <monqy> oh you kiled it
05:15:52 <elliott> euhh
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05:16:20 <monqy> ???
05:16:31 <elliott> lemme try something
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05:17:27 <elliott> for some reason
05:17:29 <elliott> the nc part works
05:17:31 <elliott> and the script part works
05:17:35 <elliott> but in conjunction....
05:18:35 <elliott> 06:18 <Henzell> termcast[4/4]: If you want a more polished tool, try cpan -i App::Termcast # This one is from doy, the hackish 1-liner is from sorear
05:18:38 <elliott> maybe i should
05:18:39 <elliott> install that
05:19:37 <elliott> im
05:19:37 <elliott> install that
05:19:40 <elliott> "one moment"
05:19:41 <monqy> what wasnt working about before
05:19:54 <monqy> "im dume"
05:19:59 <elliott> uhhh
05:20:00 <elliott> it didn't
05:20:01 <elliott> broadcast
05:20:02 <elliott> my shell???
05:20:08 <elliott> it just broadcasted nothingness
05:20:21 <monqy> it broadcaste dsomething which included the script started messag at least
05:20:28 <elliott> yres
05:20:29 <elliott> yes
05:20:31 <elliott> it didn't broadcast my shell
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05:23:36 <elliott> monqy: moose "a great dependency"
05:23:45 <elliott> perl sofwtare "fun to installe"
05:23:48 <monqy> whats mose
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05:24:23 <elliott> mose
05:24:28 <shachaf> monqy: "objecte orientatede perle"
05:24:29 <quintopia> that netsplit sucked
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05:25:59 <elliott> oh it isntalled
05:26:05 <shachaf> isn'talled
05:26:10 <shachaf> or is it
05:26:15 <quintopia> no
05:26:20 <quintopia> not the bold
05:26:25 <elliott> *installed
05:26:26 * quintopia scared
05:26:33 <shachaf> quintopia: how about the
05:26:37 <shachaf> underscore
05:26:41 <shachaf> hi
05:26:55 <elliott> Invalid password at accessor App::Termcast::socket (defined at /Library/Perl/5.12/App/Termcast.pm line 102) line 10.
05:26:55 <elliott> help
05:27:16 <monqy> did you make a password preivously and forget it
05:27:19 <elliott> no
05:27:22 <elliott> it says that
05:27:23 <elliott> before even connecting
05:27:44 <shachaf> quintopia: i alwys forget howoto
05:27:44 <quintopia> shachaf: terrifying!
05:27:45 <monqy> maybe you have to give it special invokation
05:27:47 <shachaf> INVERSE
05:27:53 <quintopia> ahhhhhhh
05:27:56 <quintopia> +c bc bc
05:27:56 <elliott> oh maybe not
05:27:57 <elliott> if ($fh == $socket) {
05:27:58 <elliott> ReadMode(0, $self->input)
05:27:58 <elliott> if $self->_has_term && $self->_term->_raw_mode;
05:28:00 <quintopia> *+c
05:28:00 <elliott> Carp::croak("Invalid password");
05:28:02 <elliott> }
05:28:04 <elliott> i'll just
05:28:06 <elliott> use a new password
05:28:08 <elliott> done
05:28:13 <elliott> are you watchinge
05:28:18 <shachaf> if ($hi) { say "hi"; }
05:28:20 <shachaf> else
05:28:21 <shachaf> {
05:28:34 <shachaf> # uh
05:28:39 <shachaf> say "hello";
05:28:39 <shachaf> }
05:28:43 <zzo38> I was watching Kaiji for a while
05:28:43 <quintopia> is this,,,
05:28:46 <quintopia> perl?
05:28:49 * quintopia shudders
05:28:55 <elliott> monqy: are you awtching
05:29:13 <monqy> yes
05:29:14 <monqy> it woresk
05:29:45 <elliott> ill play something
05:29:46 <elliott> "overpowered"
05:29:47 <elliott> as they say
05:29:55 <monqy> mibe, eh?
05:30:03 <monqy> oh are you training nnormal crawl skilles
05:30:08 <elliott> oh is that
05:30:08 <elliott> bad
05:30:17 <monqy> be worend nnormal crawl skille knowledge "doesnt apply to monqys-crawle"
05:30:21 <elliott> also don't get snarky mr. monqy plays shameful combos
05:30:25 <elliott> in secret
05:30:29 <elliott> wow
05:30:29 <monqy> nnnnno
05:30:30 <elliott> what a D:1
05:30:42 <shachaf> monqy: "whats the \"most overpowered\" classroleracewhatever"
05:30:43 <monqy> the way i do it is train fighting and armoure
05:31:01 <quintopia> monqy: does monqys-crawl "segfalte"
05:31:03 <monqy> and then once i find a weapon i want train its respective schoole a bite
05:31:03 <elliott> help
05:31:06 <elliott> help
05:31:23 <elliott> monqy: help
05:31:28 <monqy> did it oops
05:31:31 <monqy> just hit enter
05:32:08 <zzo38> My idea was, that to overcome the problem of overpower, two things: One is that each combination of rule variant options selected requires a separate high score file to be created. Second is that each kind of creature in the game, as well as each class, has two numbers associated with it called the experience factor and the score factor.
05:33:08 <elliott> that
05:33:09 <elliott> was not fair
05:33:13 <elliott> you totally need to uhhh
05:33:17 <elliott> tweak that
05:33:37 <quintopia> monqyyyyyy
05:34:26 <monqy> elliott: maybe you're playing abdly
05:34:35 <elliott> how do you do slings
05:34:41 <monqy> don't bother
05:35:00 <monqy> also trolle might be bade since you won't get BIG ARMOURES until later and
05:35:01 <monqy> armour is op
05:35:05 <monqy> where by op i mean
05:35:14 <monqy> you will likely need it when the difficulty ramps up
05:35:15 <elliott> thanks trog
05:35:19 <monqy> and hoo boy does it ramp
05:35:33 <elliott> STOP IT TROG
05:35:41 <monqy> also since vampiric weapons are overpowered you might want to play a race that isnt specialised torwwards unarmed so you can use one
05:35:48 <elliott> should i go with
05:35:49 <elliott> war axe
05:35:51 <elliott> or sabre
05:35:54 <monqy> you're a troll, elliott
05:35:54 <elliott> i dont want to stay uc for reasons
05:36:00 <zzo38> When PC/NPC unification and front-end/back-end separation are used, my solution to the problem of overpower is one way to help without requiring things to be balanced.
05:36:00 <elliott> oh can i not
05:36:08 <monqy> you can but
05:36:14 <monqy> ^Qyes and start something that isn't a troll
05:36:23 <monqy> trolls with weapons make me sad
05:36:23 <Sgeo> zzo38, weird question but: Many years ago, did you have a tendency to misspell stuff?
05:37:24 <elliott> monqy: this is an amazing game
05:37:33 <monqy> did you oops again
05:37:37 <elliott> no
05:37:50 <monqy> he first thing you shoiuld do when entering a monqys-crawl level is try to choke everything
05:37:55 <monqy> and if you can't, summon some bia
05:37:56 <elliott> i was
05:37:57 <elliott> surrounded
05:37:57 <monqy> to help with the crowd
05:38:01 <zzo38> Sgeo: There are many things from long time ago which I cannot remember.
05:38:08 <elliott> ok uhhh
05:38:14 <monqy> at leat summon bia and get to the corner
05:38:16 <elliott> what's a good race with lots of hp that can do vamp weapon
05:38:18 <elliott> and
05:38:19 <monqy> piety is free so you can just spam it if you want
05:38:20 <elliott> is good with trog
05:38:22 <elliott> melee race lots of hp
05:38:25 <monqy> i did ds a lote
05:38:33 <monqy> since ds mut are also nice
05:39:01 <elliott> not much hp tho
05:39:03 <elliott> *though
05:39:08 <monqy> train exclusively fighting then
05:39:33 <monqy> weapon skill isn't as good in monqys-crawl since for the moment weapon delay doesn't exist
05:39:51 <elliott> i like how
05:39:52 <elliott> Xmap is broken
05:39:54 <monqy> yes
05:40:04 <monqy> and you might want to switch to polearms later anyway since then you get reaching
05:40:19 <monqy> but what i'd do is switch to whatever gives you a strong vampiric weapon
05:40:54 <quintopia> monqy: why you no talk to me
05:40:57 <elliott> STOP GIFTING ME SHIT
05:41:16 <elliott> maybe i should switch to
05:41:18 <elliott> scrimitar
05:41:20 <elliott> *scimitar
05:41:55 <monqy> quintopia: were you trying to say something? oops.
05:42:13 <quintopia> monqy: i was asking about the current functional state of monqys-crawl
05:42:14 <monqy> 22:31:01 < quintopia> monqy: does monqys-crawl "segfalte"
05:42:14 <monqy> yes
05:42:20 <elliott> it works but it also segfaults
05:42:22 <elliott> monqy: i was going to say you should have an automated read-iding thing
05:42:23 <elliott> but then i relaised
05:42:33 <monqy> id removal will fix it
05:42:37 <monqy> i just haven't gotten there
05:42:40 <elliott> yeah
05:42:52 <quintopia> monqy: if it worked, what would it do that crawl doesnt?
05:42:57 <monqy> stuff
05:43:10 <quintopia> i dont want to be stuffed :(
05:43:30 <elliott> good god trog
05:43:33 <elliott> monqy: you should remove god gifts
05:43:36 <elliott> or just
05:43:39 <elliott> ramp down piety :P
05:44:20 <monqy> corpse sacrifice removal will help at least
05:44:29 <monqy> by corpse sacrifice removal i mean
05:44:31 <monqy> corpse removal
05:44:32 <monqy> by which i mean
05:44:34 <monqy> food removal
05:44:39 <elliott> i like how i just
05:44:41 <elliott> did ac thrice and then
05:44:43 <elliott> the whole level disappeared
05:44:57 <monqy> but yeah i'll probably hav to ramp it down beyond that
05:45:05 <monqy> perhaps to the point of turning off the sprint gains!!
05:45:44 <elliott> You finish putting on your +3 scale mail of cold resistance.
05:45:45 <elliott> not bade
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05:46:10 <elliott> ha ha ha crawl says "boob"
05:46:14 <elliott> ha
05:46:15 <elliott> ha
05:46:15 <elliott> ha
05:46:28 <elliott> monqy: :(
05:46:28 <kmc> 80085
05:46:31 <monqy> did you let yourself get surrounded again
05:46:32 <elliott> monqys-crawl is hard
05:46:33 <elliott> yes
05:46:34 <elliott> theres
05:46:37 <elliott> not really much option in monqys-crawl
05:46:37 <monqy> don't do that!!!
05:46:41 <monqy> yes there is
05:46:44 <elliott> lets try tahta gain!!!
05:46:52 <monqy> you just have to be really smart about it
05:47:05 <elliott> what a good D:1
05:47:08 <monqy> yes
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05:47:31 <elliott> Found sixteen items.
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05:48:04 <shachaf> kmc: Should block comments nest or not?
05:48:06 <elliott> monqy: this game feels very weird
05:48:19 <monqy> elliott: i'll also be toning down item generation but making generated items better
05:48:21 <monqy> elliott: does it?
05:48:25 <elliott> yeah it's like
05:48:30 <elliott> how i'd imagine crawl to play if i was dreaming
05:48:40 <monqy> i like dreaming
05:48:42 <elliott> and i'd wake up the next morning and think haha imagine if crawl was really like that
05:48:55 <shachaf> kmc: D's answer is: Provide /* */ for non-nesting block comments and /+ +/ for nesting block comments!
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05:50:04 <zzo38> My solution is to not have block comments, only having line comments and literate programming non-program-code areas
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05:51:30 <elliott> uhhh
05:51:34 <elliott> monqy: what happened to the axe trog gifted me
05:51:47 <monqy> what axe
05:51:56 <elliott> it gifted me an axe when i came down here
05:51:57 <elliott> now it's
05:51:58 <elliott> not here
05:52:03 <monqy> did something pick it up
05:52:09 <elliott> idk maybe
05:52:16 <shachaf> is trog american
05:52:37 <elliott> ah, there it is
05:53:13 <elliott> im
05:53:14 <elliott> so evasive
05:53:33 <elliott> great swords aren't gr8 right
05:53:38 <elliott> hi xom
05:53:45 <itidus21> the backstory on trog's birth certificate (creation log) is blank.
05:53:52 <elliott> what
05:54:05 <itidus21> ie. it cannot be determined if trog is american
05:54:57 <elliott> monqy: you might want to remove
05:54:58 <elliott> scrolls of tele
05:55:03 <monqy> why
05:55:06 <elliott> because
05:55:08 <elliott> they don't really
05:55:08 <elliott> do much
05:55:12 <monqy> yes they do
05:55:16 <monqy> have you ever gotten surrounded
05:55:23 <elliott> constantly
05:55:24 <elliott> good point
05:55:38 <elliott> oh
05:55:42 <elliott> that's why you go upstairs before going down again right
05:55:44 <monqy> the monqys-crawl experience\
05:55:48 <monqy> yes
05:56:08 <elliott> uhhh
05:56:10 <elliott> oh right
05:56:36 <elliott> is broad axe < battleaxe
05:56:43 <monqy> yes
05:56:54 <shachaf> braxe
05:56:59 <monqy> the battleaxe might be vampiric too!!
05:57:18 <elliott> its chopping
05:57:29 <shachaf> monqy: whats' the dfiference between axe and vamprire?????
05:57:35 <monqy> is this a joke
05:57:41 <elliott> no its
05:57:43 <elliott> choppinge
05:57:45 <elliott> see
05:57:45 <shachaf> it is if you want it to be
05:57:50 <monqy> ok
05:58:01 <monqy> (the joke's that elliott is ignoring shachaf)
05:58:14 <shachaf> (that joke is hilariosu)
05:58:19 <zzo38> Does a commutative idempotent monoid have another name?
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05:58:46 <elliott> wow good tele
05:58:58 <shachaf> zzo38: Bounded semilattice?
05:59:05 <elliott> monqy: not only does it get you out of surround
05:59:09 <elliott> it gets you into surround too!!!!
05:59:12 <elliott> all-purpose scroll of tele
05:59:13 <monqy> yes!!
06:00:17 <zzo38> shachaf: O, that is what it is. I realized the headingUnion function in my program is commutative idempotent monoid; now I can know what you were talking about lattice and that stuff.
06:00:46 <elliott> im not even going to
06:00:51 <elliott> check the god gifts any more
06:01:14 <monqy> you want a vammp weapoin
06:01:15 <shachaf> zzo38: A semilattice has an operation which is associative, commutative, and idempotent.
06:01:41 <elliott> oops i
06:01:42 <monqy> if you get something like a babttlleaxe or an exec axe or a bardiche and it's glowy or artefact it might be vamp
06:01:43 <elliott> forgot to go up
06:01:44 <elliott> phew
06:01:45 <monqy> and you want a vamp weapon
06:02:43 <shachaf> Oh, integers are a semilattice with bitwise or.
06:02:49 <zzo38> shachaf: OK. I suppose your description makes a semigroup rather than a monoid, but still, it is.
06:02:51 <shachaf> I guess they're a lattice with or and and.
06:03:03 <shachaf> zzo38: A "bounded semilattice" also has an identity.
06:03:10 <elliott> monqy: should i get that war axe
06:03:13 <monqy> nah
06:03:15 <elliott> ok
06:03:24 <elliott> should i get this war axe
06:03:28 <shachaf> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Hypercubestar_binary.svg good graph
06:04:00 <zzo38> shachaf: OK. And, yes, I can see how the integers with bitwise OR make the semilattice (and it can with AND too; the identity for OR is 0 and for AND is -1)
06:04:34 <elliott> fuck
06:04:39 <elliott> monqy: why didn't you remind me :''(
06:04:53 <shachaf> zzo38: Right. A lattice is two semilattices with some additional rules.
06:04:54 <zzo38> Now I can understand why you were saying I needed a lattice.
06:05:14 <shachaf> I was saying that?
06:05:37 <zzo38> Or maybe elliott was; I forget exactly who said what
06:05:41 <elliott> it was me
06:05:47 <elliott> monqy: did you see that berk
06:05:49 <elliott> professional
06:05:50 <elliott> berking
06:05:51 <elliott> monster
06:08:32 <elliott> fuck i forgot again but it all worked out
06:10:43 <elliott> HEH NICEINWA
06:10:47 <shachaf> zzo38: It might well have been me at one point; I just don't remember the context.
06:11:07 <elliott> monqy: when does the difficulty ramp up
06:11:14 <monqy> i forget
06:12:49 <elliott> monqy: btw
06:12:52 <elliott> i haven't sacrificed a single corpse
06:12:53 <elliott> so
06:12:56 <elliott> that won't really help the piety thing
06:13:22 <monqy> oops
06:13:37 <monqy> well "enjoy it for now"
06:13:46 <monqy> "you may or may not need it later"
06:14:02 <elliott> oh man!!!
06:14:03 <elliott> zombes
06:14:04 <monqy> "for when like all the levels are full of nasty stuff"
06:14:19 <shachaf> monqy: "you know the game where you put things in quotation marks?"
06:14:30 <elliott> wow that was
06:14:31 <elliott> pitiful
06:15:28 <monqy> shachaf: no
06:15:34 <zzo38> shachaf: It was when I was asking about how to determine which heading is the most specific one
06:16:06 <shachaf> monqy: do you like semilettuce
06:16:15 <elliott> monqy: this game is
06:16:17 <elliott> completely dysfunctional
06:16:38 <elliott> i dont mean that in a bad way necessarily
06:16:43 <monqy> elliott: what happened
06:16:47 <elliott> its just
06:16:49 <elliott> continuing to be monqys-crawl
06:17:38 <elliott> uhhh
06:17:41 <elliott> maybe i should switch one of my rings
06:17:45 <elliott> or both
06:17:46 <elliott> idk
06:17:50 <elliott> what are the good rings in monqys-crawl
06:17:50 <zzo38> But what happen in case there is more than one most specific match? I can think three possibilities: * Just select one arbitrarily * Display error message * Expand all of them, and if the expansions do not match, display error message
06:18:05 <monqy> your rings aren't so great, except maybe teleportation
06:18:12 <monqy> and maybe sinv
06:18:13 <monqy> and maybe MR
06:18:24 <elliott> is EV useful in monqys-crawl
06:18:26 <monqy> i probably made ev megasuck
06:18:28 <elliott> i have
06:18:29 <elliott> lots of ev
06:18:31 <elliott> ok
06:18:50 <elliott> wow
06:18:53 <elliott> illegal instructino
06:19:07 <elliott> ha ha ha oh wow
06:19:10 <monqy> get to the choke!!!!
06:19:10 <elliott> is this when the difficulty ramps up
06:19:17 <monqy> the difficulty isn't ramped yet
06:19:30 <monqy> if you're not dumb you can take this level ez
06:19:45 <elliott> the level of indrection here is like
06:19:45 <monqy> ok that's kind ove overkille
06:19:48 <elliott> im playing dwarf fortress
06:20:09 <monqy> i definitely need to unbuff piety wow
06:20:13 <elliott> its
06:20:15 <elliott> pretty amazing
06:20:23 <elliott> to be honest
06:20:28 <elliott> with the amount of killing and the like that goes on
06:20:37 <elliott> you could probably just set it back to normal and it'd still go up really fast
06:21:13 <elliott> ooh ooh
06:21:14 <elliott> exec axe
06:21:37 <monqy> not vamp? tsk tsk
06:22:00 <elliott> i have
06:22:02 <elliott> so much crap
06:23:04 <elliott> oops
06:23:05 <elliott> im burdened
06:23:05 <elliott> help
06:23:24 <elliott> i guess ill
06:23:26 <elliott> drop one of the axes
06:23:34 <elliott> which is worst axe :(
06:23:42 <monqy> mayb its the flesh
06:23:53 <monqy> drope the hand axe and the baroad axe
06:23:54 <elliott> point
06:23:58 <monqy> and the cope axe
06:24:20 <elliott> it frozze
06:24:26 <monqy> dide it
06:24:29 <elliott> yes
06:24:29 <elliott> if i
06:24:30 <elliott> Ctrl+Z
06:24:32 <elliott> kill -9 %%
06:24:33 <elliott> ./crawl
06:24:35 <elliott> will it keep the save
06:24:40 <monqy> yes
06:24:53 <elliott> wow
06:24:56 <monqy> nice level
06:24:56 <elliott> brb one second
06:24:59 <monqy> have digging?
06:25:26 <elliott> maybe
06:25:29 <elliott> i have lots of unidentified wands
06:25:32 <monqy> oops
06:25:41 <elliott> i could go up the upstairs but that would be kinda anti-monqys-crawl
06:25:54 <monqy> at least halfchoke them
06:26:00 <monqy> you'll die if you let them surround you like that
06:26:05 <elliott> i
06:26:07 <elliott> dont really see how i can
06:26:10 <elliott> maybe if i pick off that troll
06:26:13 <monqy> there's a halfchoke in the lower right
06:26:26 <monqy> plus your bros will kill a few dudes on your way there
06:26:44 <elliott> i have
06:26:45 <elliott> bodyguards
06:27:06 <elliott> wow i actually lost a star of piety
06:27:16 <monqy> that's what you get for
06:27:16 <monqy> that
06:27:21 <monqy> wb star
06:27:25 <elliott> hahahahaha
06:28:26 <elliott> oh my godddd
06:28:28 <elliott> uhhh you know what
06:28:33 <elliott> i have enough fucking wands
06:28:35 <elliott> ok thats not true
06:28:54 <monqy> identified them?
06:28:59 <monqy> might b useful
06:29:15 <elliott> drop the useless permafood
06:29:18 <monqy> can probably get rid of some of the wimpy ones like: maigc darts, frost
06:29:29 <elliott> wow
06:29:36 <monqy> ah so you got one of those levels
06:29:44 <elliott> i think this started as a kobold vault
06:29:45 <elliott> thing
06:29:47 <monqy> if only there was a giant spore next to you and a centaur over there
06:29:47 <elliott> and then
06:29:48 <elliott> went wrong
06:30:07 <elliott> what would happen if i biad
06:30:11 <elliott> would the level
06:30:12 <monqy> wouldnt work
06:30:12 <elliott> burst at the seams
06:30:18 <monqy> u can try
06:31:27 <elliott> fuck
06:31:28 <elliott> my pack
06:31:29 <elliott> being full
06:31:43 <monqy> drop your useless rings
06:31:53 <elliott> i did mostly
06:31:58 <elliott> are the dex rings useless
06:32:00 <monqy> quaff gain streng
06:32:01 <monqy> yes
06:32:44 <elliott> it frez
06:32:49 <monqy> oupes
06:33:12 <elliott> monqys-crawl is unwinnable now, right
06:33:14 <elliott> because
06:33:16 <elliott> branches
06:33:19 <monqy> right yeah
06:33:31 <monqy> you can pretend a victory is getting to d:27
06:33:34 <elliott> oh boy
06:33:36 <elliott> slime creature
06:33:38 <monqy> how big is that slime creature
06:33:40 <elliott> large
06:33:44 <monqy> oh that's niot so big
06:33:46 <elliott> maybe ill zerk
06:33:47 <monqy> kill it before it grows
06:33:56 <monqy> bad idea
06:33:58 <elliott> uhhhhhhhhh
06:34:00 <elliott> what even happened
06:34:06 <monqy> what's that orc warrior wielding
06:34:19 <monqy> ah trident
06:34:22 <monqy> anyway kill the slime creature is your best move imo
06:34:28 <elliott> did you see my hp
06:34:30 <monqy> shouldt have zerked tho
06:34:48 <monqy> yeah it goes down quick when stuff hits hard
06:35:01 <monqy> what's that xombie
06:35:06 <elliott> hill giat
06:35:13 <elliott> i just want this zerk to end so i can quaff something nice
06:35:26 <elliott> how long am i
06:35:28 <elliott> going to survive and also
06:35:29 <elliott> going to be berked
06:35:38 <elliott> this is ridiculous
06:36:03 <elliott> uhhh
06:36:04 <monqy> i think it's fair to say monqy's crawl difficulty is starting to ramp
06:36:05 <elliott> why is ac doing nothing
06:36:11 <monqy> nothing?
06:36:18 <elliott> oh
06:36:22 <elliott> you can't do it when hungry???
06:36:24 <elliott> or
06:36:25 <elliott> slow
06:36:26 <elliott> or exh???
06:36:27 <monqy> ac does a lot to things that hit weak, but not much to things that megahit
06:36:28 <elliott> or what is it
06:36:30 <elliott> no as in
06:36:31 <elliott> it's literally
06:36:32 <monqy> what did you do
06:36:34 <elliott> NOT spawning anything
06:36:41 <elliott> it just skips my turn
06:36:44 <monqy> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, i thought you meant AC
06:36:48 <elliott> lol
06:36:53 <monqy> you're surrounded by too many things
06:37:01 <elliott> welp
06:37:01 <monqy> summons won't work if you're surrounded 2-deep
06:37:17 <monqy> now you could use it if youw eren't starveing
06:37:30 <elliott> maybe ill eat
06:37:31 <elliott> (jokes)
06:37:36 <monqy> have fun fainting
06:37:38 <monqy> (jokes)
06:37:47 <elliott> monqy: i hear starving lasts
06:37:48 <elliott> a long time
06:37:51 <elliott> or is it
06:37:54 <elliott> different in monqys-crawl
06:37:57 <monqy> idk
06:39:20 <elliott> monqy: how come it only lists two god gifts on this level
06:39:21 <elliott> its been saying
06:39:25 <nortti> pikhq: is there a simple ISO/.img file of bootsraplinux? It seems like I could use it to build sabotage
06:39:25 <elliott> TROG GRANTS YOU A GIFT
06:39:26 <elliott> for the past hour
06:39:37 <monqy> maybe they're all buried
06:39:57 <elliott> _It hits you but does no damage.
06:39:58 <elliott> oh good.
06:40:07 <elliott> You open it like a pillowcase!!!
06:40:08 <elliott> ok
06:40:58 <monqy> can you upgrde your armoures
06:41:02 <monqy> if you can: you might want to
06:41:08 <elliott> im on plate mail
06:41:12 <elliott> so
06:41:15 <monqy> oh
06:41:26 <elliott> whoah
06:41:27 <monqy> guess you'll have to find crystal plate or gold dragon armoures or something like that
06:41:28 <elliott> i took an hp hit there
06:41:36 <elliott> are hill giants still scary in monqys-crawl
06:41:38 <pikhq> nortti: A) no B) no, and I also need to update bootstraplinux.
06:41:44 <monqy> elliott: with that ac yes
06:41:57 <monqy> curing? really?
06:41:58 <pikhq> It should be an easy effort, but still, it's several versions out of date.
06:42:03 <elliott> monqy: it was
06:42:06 <elliott> dumb mistake
06:42:10 <monqy> rip
06:42:12 <elliott> uhhhhhh
06:42:14 <elliott> should i go again
06:42:20 <monqy> if you want!~!
06:42:22 <elliott> im truly feeling the "monqys-crawl experience" here
06:42:42 <elliott> monqy: you uh
06:42:47 <elliott> really do have to do something about the item swamp though
06:42:52 <elliott> even if you change spawning drops need to be
06:42:54 <elliott> changed somehow too
06:42:59 <monqy> yes i kno
06:43:20 <nortti> pikhq: thanks. It almost has everything needed to build sabotage and I didn't want to install complex distro that I would replace almost immediately
06:43:27 <zzo38> What are your opinion relating to Feng Shui? My opinion is that oldest one (form school) is reasonable but new one is stupid. It is also my opinion that "chi energy" is not energy. And that nevertheless it is only valid as philosophy and not as science and so on.
06:44:01 <elliott> monqy: what's the furthest you've gotten btw
06:44:14 <monqy> elliott: that game you made me enter templ with
06:44:24 <elliott> "suck er"
06:44:42 <zzo38> Have you ever read/watch Kaiji?
06:45:01 <pikhq> nortti: Actually, I think it actually is enough to build sabotage...
06:45:01 <monqy> what's that is it good
06:45:05 <pikhq> What's it missing?
06:45:16 <elliott> nice staircase mimic
06:45:20 <monqy> elliott: whoa don't do that!!
06:45:23 <nortti> pikhq: does it have gawk?
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06:45:33 <monqy> rip
06:46:05 <pikhq> @tell nortti No, but it has busybox awk!
06:46:05 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
06:46:28 <zzo38> Kaiji, as well as Akagi, are very good quality manga although the drawings are bad (the author admits this). Akagi play mahjong and eventually has to play "Washizu mahjong" in which most of the tiles are transparent, and the loser has to lose their blood too, as well as money
06:46:34 <pikhq> @tell nortti BTW, sh4rm4's sabotage is at https://github.com/rofl0r/sabotage
06:46:34 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
06:47:08 <elliott> oops it freeze
06:47:12 <elliott> oh
06:47:21 <monqy> just a --more--
06:47:22 <elliott> nice
06:47:27 <elliott> monqy: no it froze but then
06:47:28 <elliott> it got better
06:47:30 <monqy> oh
06:48:11 <elliott> i
06:48:16 <elliott> guess i'm fucked at this junction
06:49:03 <elliott> monqy: how do you do wizmode (cheating!!!)
06:49:20 <monqy> dont wizmod
06:49:23 <zzo38> In Akagi, Washizu is the richest man in Japan, but then he lost *all* of his money at a game of mahjong, and even became in debt, and then his blood was removed too and he died too
06:49:28 <elliott> monqy: ok
06:49:34 <elliott> what would happen if i
06:49:40 <elliott> played one of the other modes with the game like this
06:49:46 <monqy> break
06:49:58 <elliott> its froze
06:50:03 <monqy> oop
06:50:11 <elliott> good
06:51:10 <elliott> oops
06:51:32 <monqy> maybe you'd be better at ddbe (but maybe you wouldn't)
06:51:53 <elliott> whats deep dwarf do
06:51:55 <monqy> with dd you don't regen naturally so you'll want to use ab a lot
06:52:00 <elliott> yeah i knew that much
06:52:11 <monqy> you get damage shaving and lots of hp
06:52:27 <monqy> and a wand of healing, and an ability to recharge stuff at the cost of permamp
06:53:30 <monqy> by use ab a lot i mean
06:53:40 <monqy> since piety is free you might as well be ab whenever your hp isn't full
06:53:42 <elliott> im getting the same effects by just levelling up
06:55:18 <elliott> monqy: vampiric!!!
06:55:26 <monqy> why are you unarmed
06:55:31 <elliott> oh
06:55:33 <elliott> because
06:55:37 <monqy> eat something so you can weirld it
06:56:34 <elliott> good level
06:57:35 <elliott> should i switch to
06:57:36 <elliott> exec
06:57:39 <elliott> even though it might not be vam
06:57:39 <elliott> p
06:58:33 <elliott> help
06:58:37 <elliott> monqy: youre the only monqys-crawl expert!!!
06:58:55 <monqy> uhhh
06:59:07 <monqy> switch when your broad axe stops being sufficient
06:59:19 <monqy> if it still oneshots everytting and heals you at the same time, it's a good deal
06:59:59 <elliott> god bless you, trog
07:00:59 <elliott> monqy: do you want to hear joke
07:01:02 <monqy> yes
07:01:08 <elliott> monqys-crawl without Ctrl+F
07:01:39 <monqy> by monqys-crawl i hope you mean "monqys-crawl in its current state"
07:01:47 <elliott> you're going to ruin it???
07:01:56 <monqy> yes
07:02:01 <monqy> less clutter
07:02:12 <elliott> itym less art
07:02:25 <monqy> i plan on making it so monsters that don't damage when they hit you explode on contact
07:02:41 <monqy> is that artistic enough
07:02:53 <elliott> i
07:02:58 <elliott> ok
07:04:01 <monqy> imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode.
07:04:07 <monqy> that's what it's like for people who hit you
07:04:34 <shachaf> monqy: "sounds fun"
07:04:43 <shachaf> can i playe :'(
07:04:47 <elliott> nice level
07:04:53 <monqy> shachaf: maybe
07:04:59 <monqy> nice eyeball
07:05:14 <shachaf> nyeball
07:05:26 <elliott> `addquote <monqy> imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. <monqy> that's what it's like for people who hit you
07:05:28 <zzo38> monqy: That is one thing that will be affected by your damage reduction, then!!
07:05:35 <HackEgo> 853) <monqy> imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. <monqy> that's what it's like for people who hit you
07:05:47 <elliott> oops
07:06:04 <shachaf> `quote delquote
07:06:07 <HackEgo> 751) <ais523> `delquote 419 * HackEgo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) * EgoBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) * glogbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) \ 847) <elliott> `delquote 848
07:06:11 <shachaf> `quote delquote
07:06:14 <HackEgo> 751) <ais523> `delquote 419 * HackEgo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) * EgoBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) * glogbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) \ 847) <elliott> `delquote 848
07:06:15 <shachaf> `quote <elliott> delquote
07:06:17 <HackEgo> Failed to clone the environment!
07:06:29 <elliott> monqy: help
07:06:45 <shachaf> zzo38: did you see my fancy graphe
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07:06:54 <shachaf> it has a bug in it, namely being "wronge" :'(
07:06:55 <monqy> elliott: oops
07:06:59 <zzo38> If you want, make the same rule apply when the PC hits an NPC and fails to do damage....... or maybe not......
07:07:05 <shachaf> In particular quasigroup and loop are wrong.
07:07:06 <zzo38> shachaf: No, I have not seen
07:07:30 <shachaf> zzo38: http://slbkbs.org/fancy-graph.ps
07:08:04 <zzo38> I have no program on my computer for PostScript; I can read DVI, PDF, HTML, but not PostScript.
07:08:19 <zzo38> Also I can load PNG file on my computer too.
07:08:25 <shachaf> zzo38: http://slbkbs.org/fancy-graph.pdf
07:08:55 <zzo38> Although I can read PDF, I don't like it much. But I will try to load that one
07:08:59 <shachaf> keep in mind that quasigroupe and loope are wronge
07:09:14 <elliott> monqy: the increased hunger is super annoying good job that's going away
07:09:26 <monqy> increased hunger? from spamming bia?
07:09:30 <monqy> and trogshand?
07:09:45 <elliott> oh i thought it was sprint
07:10:18 <shachaf> zzo38: Did you download it?
07:10:51 <zzo38> shachaf: Yes. I can see it now.
07:10:52 <elliott> i like the part where no chokepoint
07:11:01 <monqy> there's plenty of choke
07:11:03 <shachaf> zzo38: isnte ite
07:11:04 <shachaf> fancye
07:11:08 <elliott> where
07:11:11 <elliott> downright maybe but
07:11:11 <monqy> lower right
07:11:13 <elliott> it's pretty far away
07:11:22 <zzo38> You said quasigroup and loop are wrong.
07:11:25 <monqy> maybe with that attitude
07:11:27 <zzo38> So, can you fix that?
07:11:38 <shachaf> zzo38: No because it would be too complicated. :-(
07:11:41 <shachaf> I can get rid of them, though.
07:12:00 <shachaf> zzo38: (A quasigroup has division, which isn't the same thing as an inverse.)
07:12:09 <elliott> ichor-stained
07:12:14 <elliott> that looks interesting!!!
07:12:21 <shachaf> (And in fact an inverse without an identity doesn't make much sense.)
07:12:23 <elliott> N - the +1,+8 battleaxe of Proximity {god gift, chop, Str+2 Int+3}
07:12:26 <elliott> that is interesting!
07:12:29 <elliott> it's not vamp though :(
07:13:44 <Patashu> wow elliott
07:13:48 <Patashu> how did you rack up 169 games already
07:13:55 <elliott> dying a lot
07:13:59 <elliott> anyway im done with crawl now im playing monqys-crawl
07:14:04 <elliott> telnet termcast.org if you want to watch
07:14:43 <Patashu> what's the difference between monqys-crawl and crawl
07:14:50 <elliott> uhhhhhh
07:14:53 <elliott> you kind of have to see for yourself
07:14:55 <shachaf> Patashu: "monqys-"
07:14:57 <elliott> but one thing is that the maps are 24x24
07:15:30 <elliott> monqy: i should put on amulet of faith (laughs)
07:15:35 <zzo38> O, so quasigroups are like latin squares.
07:15:43 <elliott> Patashu: also it segfaults a lot
07:15:50 <elliott> Patashu: here, let me demonstrate it
07:15:54 <elliott> one sec
07:16:12 <elliott> see?
07:16:16 <Patashu> niceh
07:16:19 <Patashu> how did you do that
07:16:22 <elliott> i went downstairs
07:16:25 <elliott> the level gen algorithm has
07:16:27 <elliott> difficulties
07:16:31 <zzo38> But groups are also latin squares (although not all latin squares are groups)
07:16:37 <elliott> Patashu: see that?
07:16:39 <elliott> that's monqy-crawl
07:16:41 <elliott> *monqys
07:16:44 <elliott> except
07:16:45 <Patashu> that is a lot of things
07:16:47 <elliott> usually the monsters are scarier than that
07:16:47 <Patashu> can you kill all the things
07:16:49 <elliott> and there's more of them
07:16:53 <elliott> Patashu: yes, you one-shot most everything
07:16:56 <elliott> he removed all the randomness from combat
07:16:58 <Patashu> why
07:17:00 <Patashu> oh
07:17:03 <Patashu> it's deterministic-crawl
07:17:03 <elliott> its
07:17:06 <elliott> "work in progress"
07:17:12 <elliott> hi, draconian
07:17:15 <elliott> monqy: are draconians scary
07:17:15 <Patashu> wow, a draconian
07:17:21 <monqy> not vanilla dracs
07:17:22 <elliott> Patashu: (everything is either really weak or incredibly scary)
07:17:24 <Patashu> it can't see you
07:17:26 <Patashu> it's behind glass
07:17:40 <Patashu> monqy: so is he applying his max ac every single time there's an attack
07:17:46 <monqy> yes
07:17:50 <monqy> and attakcs always do max damage
07:17:53 <oklopol> " 10:12 shachaf (And in fact an inverse without an identity doesn't make much sense.)" well there's quasigroups
07:17:56 <Patashu> what about ev
07:17:58 <Patashu> does it ever help
07:18:03 <monqy> idk what happens w ev or sh
07:18:03 <elliott> how do i get into this
07:18:05 <elliott> thing
07:18:11 <elliott> oh, Xom :')
07:18:12 <shachaf> oklopol: Yes, quasigroups are the topic there.
07:18:17 <shachaf> They have division but not an inverse.
07:18:36 <elliott> Patashu: the other thing about monqys-crawl is
07:18:40 <elliott> your pack fills up ALL THE FUCKIGN TIME
07:18:41 <elliott> also
07:18:45 <elliott> since it uses sprint piety
07:18:46 <oklopol> they were the topic? wtf
07:18:47 <elliott> trog
07:18:47 <elliott> never
07:18:48 <elliott> stops
07:18:49 <oklopol> i have to read this
07:18:50 <elliott> giving you shit
07:19:02 <oklopol> ah i see
07:20:10 <Patashu> this reminds me of one of the bonus dungeons in shiren 4
07:20:18 <Patashu> where you one shot everything but you only have 2 hp (every attack on you deals 1)
07:20:26 <zzo38> How exactly are the quasigroup and loop wrong on that fancy-graph? Maybe you can explain why.
07:21:40 <elliott> monqy: can you
07:21:45 <elliott> increase the pack size to like
07:21:50 <elliott> include 0123456789
07:21:51 <zzo38> I realized there may be something wrong in headingUnion so I added these three lines: headingUnion (T_Para x : xt) (T_Para y : yt) = T_Para 0 : headingUnion xt yt; headingUnion (T_Para x : xt) (y : yt) = T_Para x : headingUnion xt yt; headingUnion (x : xt) (T_Para y : yt) = T_Para y : headingUnion xt yt;
07:22:03 <Patashu> you should quaff mutation and cure mutation
07:22:06 <Patashu> that will free up two slots
07:22:15 <shachaf> zzo38: Because what does "inverse" even mean when there's no identity?
07:22:24 <elliott> 08:22 <Gretell> nubinia (L4 SEMo) killed the ghost of elliott the Scratcher, a weakling FeCK of Xom. (D:3)
07:22:36 <elliott> Patashu: i can live with those mutations
07:22:40 <elliott> or does cure mutation only get rid of the bad ones
07:22:47 <Patashu> cure mutation gets rid of random muts
07:23:12 <zzo38> shachaf: It doesn't.
07:23:20 <Patashu> if you want to get rid of mostly bad muts/add mostly good muts you need jiyva or nemelex
07:23:23 <Patashu> (or zin I guess)
07:23:25 <shachaf> zzo38: Precisely.
07:23:26 <elliott> Patashu: it got rid of them all :(
07:23:42 <elliott> hell yes i just quaff ided
07:24:05 <Patashu> is there anything you can't quaff id safely
07:24:06 <Patashu> with 12 curing
07:24:06 <zzo38> But, nevertheless, a group will be a quasigroup too since the division will involve the multiplication by the inverse
07:24:10 <zzo38> Isn't it?
07:24:15 <elliott> aaand it's frozen
07:24:20 <elliott> Patashu: potion of porridge
07:24:34 <shachaf> zzo38: Right.
07:24:41 <elliott> uhhhh
07:24:44 <elliott> monqy: it doesn't like D:10
07:24:44 <shachaf> zzo38: But the arrow from "magma" to "quasigroup" says "invertibility".
07:24:47 <elliott> oh there we go
07:25:00 <zzo38> And then how will it be described by latin squares?
07:25:41 <zzo38> shachaf: O, yes, it does; but perhaps the text should be moved slightly so that you know it is not part of a phrase "invertible unit"?
07:26:08 <elliott> f - Device Recharging 1 Permanent MP 7%
07:26:12 <elliott> where did that come frmo
07:26:13 <elliott> oh dd
07:27:09 <ion> Healers are still annoying.
07:27:44 <elliott> Patashu: it's better than crawl btw
07:28:11 <elliott> monqy: it's frozen again
07:28:16 <elliott> Patashu: also you can't just compile it
07:28:20 <elliott> you have to compile stock crawl
07:28:22 <elliott> run it
07:28:26 <elliott> apply the monqys-crawl patches
07:28:28 <elliott> compile in-place
07:28:29 <elliott> and run that
07:28:32 <elliott> otherwise it crashes on startup
07:29:04 <zzo38> elliott: Why does it do that?
07:29:05 <elliott> aha
07:29:09 <elliott> Patashu: THIS is monqys-crawl
07:29:21 <Patashu> that's all?
07:29:22 <Patashu> I'm not impressed
07:29:24 <elliott> no
07:29:26 <Patashu> where's mennas
07:29:26 <elliott> this is
07:29:30 <elliott> monqys-crawl early game
07:29:34 <elliott> about one or two floors down it uh
07:29:37 <elliott> gets a lot harder
07:30:27 <Patashu> you know
07:30:30 <Patashu> aren't deep dwarves basically robots
07:30:34 <Patashu> since they don't have any natural regeneration
07:31:08 <monqy> elliott: if you're not oneshotting everything maybe you should upgrad your weapon even if the upgrad wont be vamp
07:31:14 <elliott> monqy: it's
07:31:16 <elliott> +8,+6
07:31:21 <elliott> i spent about a billion enchant weapon scrolls on it!
07:31:28 <Patashu> what would he upgrade to
07:31:28 <monqy> rip
07:31:29 <Patashu> exec?
07:31:31 <Patashu> oh
07:31:31 <elliott> i have
07:31:32 <elliott> exec and
07:31:33 <monqy> or bardiche
07:31:33 <elliott> this thing
07:31:45 <monqy> maybe the exec is vamp
07:31:48 <Patashu> the exec will do a LOT more damage
07:31:50 <Patashu> even though it's not vamp
07:31:59 <monqy> Patashu: vamp is op in monqys-crawl
07:32:10 <Patashu> is elec good in monqys-crawl
07:32:16 <monqy> i forget
07:32:17 <monqy> probably
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07:32:28 <monqy> or maybe not
07:32:29 <elliott> you know what
07:32:30 <monqy> who knows
07:32:30 <elliott> fuck it
07:32:31 <elliott> i dont need more rings
07:33:03 <Patashu> what's monqy labs like
07:33:09 <elliott> they probably crash
07:34:01 <Patashu> btw, for things like EV and SH and so on
07:34:11 <Patashu> maybe multiply the damage by (chance EV/SH had of preventing it)
07:34:12 <Patashu> and applying that
07:34:17 <shachaf> zzo38: Tell that to dot.
07:34:20 <Patashu> etc for related things
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07:34:42 <shachaf> zzo38: All I did was write a program to generate the .dot file.
07:35:01 <elliott> monqy: you know what
07:35:02 <elliott> fuck autoexplore
07:35:05 <elliott> im just going to ignore that loot
07:35:30 <zzo38> shachaf: And it has no option to stagger the text?
07:35:40 <shachaf> zzo38: I'm quite sure that it does.
07:35:43 <elliott> monqy: labyrinth ;)
07:35:45 <elliott> (nah it'd crash)
07:35:49 <monqy> go in!!
07:35:52 <elliott> no
07:35:56 <monqy> yes!!!
07:36:01 <elliott> i'd lose my save
07:36:06 <monqy> i need revenge for that templed game
07:36:37 <zzo38> elliott: Then create a copy in case it might crash
07:36:56 <elliott> is zzo38 suggesting i savescum :O
07:37:24 <elliott> its crash
07:37:38 <zzo38> Is a quasigroup like a latin square with labels?
07:38:27 <elliott> Patashu: this, too, is monqys-crawl
07:38:45 <Patashu> how dangerous are centaur warriors in monqys-crawl
07:38:58 <elliott> monqy: how dangeorus are
07:39:30 <Patashu> monqy probably doesn't know either
07:39:31 <Patashu> find out
07:39:32 <monqy> dunnnno"
07:39:44 <Patashu> oh, that's not so bad
07:39:55 <monqy> most things aren't so bad
07:40:05 <monqy> but watch out for enormour slime creatres
07:41:22 <elliott> holy crap
07:41:27 <elliott> monqy: arrows are uh
07:41:29 <elliott> op
07:41:35 <monqy> centaur warriors "maybe are so bad after all"
07:41:49 <monqy> i forget if i touched ranged code
07:41:49 <monqy> but
07:41:49 <monqy> uh
07:41:52 <monqy> yeah
07:42:27 <elliott> maybe ill buy digging
07:42:30 <elliott> or polymorph other
07:42:36 <Patashu> face it
07:42:39 <Patashu> what would you use polymorph other -on-
07:43:05 <elliott> large slime creatures
07:43:12 <Patashu> that doesn't work very well
07:43:16 <Patashu> they just turn into even nastier things
07:43:18 <elliott> they'd probably turn into orb guardians or something and hence be about ten times less powerful
07:43:21 <zzo38> In order to polymorpht them into small slime creatures?
07:43:26 <elliott> that's how monqys-crawl rolls
07:43:31 <Patashu> actually I guess in monqys-crawl
07:43:33 <Patashu> it might be an improvement
07:43:50 <shachaf> zzo38: You should make a better graph!
07:44:00 <zzo38> Or can you polymorph small into large? Maybe it help better sometimes?
07:44:12 <elliott> Patashu: this, too, is monqys-crawl
07:44:18 <Patashu> that's looking more like it
07:44:21 <elliott> monqy: your game is great btw
07:44:26 <monqy> thx
07:44:31 <monqy> it's not done yet!!
07:44:36 <monqy> "going to get greater"
07:44:38 <elliott> but it's perfect!
07:45:14 <elliott> oh man
07:45:15 <monqy> watch out for that enoumours slime oh it dead
07:45:16 <elliott> there's an enormous one
07:45:18 <elliott> great!!
07:45:21 <elliott> no there's
07:45:21 <elliott> another
07:45:22 <monqy> oh
07:45:23 <monqy> oh
07:45:32 <monqy> i guess the other was just nor enourmous
07:45:33 <monqy> not
07:45:52 <Patashu> so
07:45:54 <Patashu> do orc priests smite once/round
07:45:56 <zzo38> O no now it dead!!!
07:46:03 <monqy> Patashu: combat isn't completely deterministic
07:46:10 <monqy> but priests are nasty
07:47:21 <elliott> oh man
07:47:23 <elliott> monqy: should i go jiyva
07:47:27 <elliott> i guess
07:47:27 <elliott> not
07:47:28 <elliott> since
07:47:32 <monqy> jiyva for neutral slimes!
07:47:32 <Patashu> trog wrath is funny
07:47:33 <elliott> im relying on trogs hand and bia for absolutely everything
07:47:41 <monqy> jiyva gives you healing on slurps
07:47:57 <monqy> and you probably get near unlimited slimify with that piety gain
07:48:09 <monqy> isn't that a bit overkill
07:48:11 <monqy> wrt bia
07:48:19 <elliott> how do you define overkill when there is no practical limit
07:48:33 <monqy> that
07:48:41 <monqy> wow you are starving
07:48:44 <elliott> yeah it
07:48:44 <monqy> and on the next level
07:48:46 <elliott> happens a lot to me
07:49:04 <monqy> have fun dying
07:49:17 <monqy> i'm serious you're going to die here
07:49:21 <elliott> should i go upstairs or
07:49:26 <monqy> yes upstairs
07:49:39 <monqy> you made a silly mistake coming down without eating
07:49:47 <elliott> but
07:49:48 <monqy> take a different stairs down too
07:49:49 <elliott> upstairs conduct
07:49:51 <elliott> monqy: well uh
07:49:53 <elliott> i did search for
07:49:56 <elliott> food
07:49:57 <elliott> but
07:49:58 <monqy> permafood, elliott
07:49:58 <elliott> there was none
07:50:15 <elliott> "forgot about that"
07:50:43 <elliott> wow i
07:50:48 <elliott> just killed SOMETHING
07:50:56 <Patashu> unseen horror, maybe
07:50:58 <elliott> should i train axes maybe
07:51:01 <Patashu> wait
07:51:03 <monqy> sure
07:51:03 <Patashu> your axes is 3.2?
07:51:06 <elliott> Patashu: no delay
07:51:12 <elliott> monqy: what would it
07:51:12 <elliott> get me
07:51:12 <Patashu> no delay what
07:51:15 <elliott> Patashu: attack
07:51:16 <elliott> thingy
07:51:18 <Patashu> so
07:51:20 <Patashu> how long do attacks take
07:51:22 <monqy> Patashu: monqys-crawl uses fixed attack delay 10 for the moment
07:51:25 <Patashu> oh ok
07:51:30 <Patashu> what's it going to be changed to
07:51:33 <monqy> idk
07:51:38 <elliott> monqy: what would training axes get me?
07:51:43 <monqy> more damage
07:51:47 <monqy> do you want damage
07:51:57 <monqy> fighting also gets you damage
07:52:10 <elliott> "why not"
07:52:23 <elliott> going down a different staircase doesn't really help much in monqys-crawl
07:52:30 <Patashu> miasma?
07:52:31 <Patashu> wtf
07:52:39 <monqy> probabaly a ault
07:52:43 <monqy> vautl
07:52:44 <monqy> vault
07:53:03 <elliott> i love how
07:53:08 <elliott> ranged weapons are terrifying
07:53:20 <elliott> im slow
07:53:36 <monqy> misma does that and also reduces your maxhp
07:53:47 <monqy> generally you
07:53:50 <monqy> dont want to be in miasma
07:54:02 <elliott> oklob plants are terrifying right
07:54:05 <zzo38> Do you have range deflection shield?
07:54:23 <elliott> rip, oklob plant
07:54:57 <elliott> Patashu: THIS is monqys-crawl
07:54:58 <Patashu> cool
07:55:00 <Patashu> that's a lot of things
07:55:03 <Patashu> can
07:55:03 <Patashu> u
07:55:04 <Patashu> dig it
07:55:06 <Patashu> ???
07:55:18 <elliott> nice ogre mage
07:55:34 <monqy> bam, dragon'd
07:55:35 <elliott> ow
07:55:43 <monqy> ta
07:55:53 <monqy> to get the dragon dead faster oh your bias died
07:56:05 <monqy> just hit the draggin i guesssss
07:56:49 <elliott> ehhhh is any of this crap worth buying
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07:57:02 <monqy> the randart armour
07:57:08 <monqy> except for the scal mal
07:57:10 <monqy> oh you have little gold
07:57:13 <monqy> uhhhhh
07:57:18 <monqy> what armour do you hav
07:57:27 <elliott> nothing of interest
07:57:30 <monqy> fill a slot you don't hav
07:57:31 <Patashu> try the helmet
07:57:41 <Patashu> maybe it will be funny
07:57:46 <elliott> uhhh
07:57:48 <monqy> oh do you have horns
07:57:49 <Patashu> you dropped it on the floor
07:57:51 <monqy> or that
07:57:52 <elliott> oh
07:57:53 <elliott> pack is fool
07:57:53 <monqy> heheheheh
07:57:54 <elliott> full
07:58:09 <Patashu> are you ever going to id those wands
07:58:10 <Patashu> lol
07:58:13 <elliott> probably not
07:58:21 <Patashu> ahahaha
07:58:23 <monqy> woo, slaying!
07:58:31 <Patashu> is that what slaying is
07:58:33 <Patashu> the Dam+?
07:58:35 <monqy> yes
07:58:39 <elliott> the uh
07:58:42 <elliott> -3 and int-3 parts don't sound too good
07:58:51 <monqy> int-3 doesn't affect you aside from statdeath
07:58:57 <elliott> restored anyway
07:59:05 <elliott> quaff iding yessss
07:59:15 <elliott> oh man
07:59:16 <elliott> a chei altar
07:59:21 <monqy> oh man
07:59:31 <elliott> im going to just
07:59:32 <elliott> stare at it
07:59:35 <elliott> in lieu of actually converting
08:00:05 <Patashu> id stuff with the scrolls of id
08:00:10 <elliott> yeah yeah later
08:00:31 <elliott> hi
08:00:32 <Patashu> I've seen worse
08:03:13 <elliott> _n - the cursed ring "Griotom" {AC-5 Dex+4}
08:03:15 <elliott> oh goode
08:03:51 <elliott> what should i put on
08:04:04 <Patashu> uhh
08:04:07 <Patashu> not guardian spirit, since you're DD
08:04:15 <Patashu> warding is kind of pointless
08:04:16 <Patashu> faith I guess
08:04:17 <Patashu> and
08:04:26 <monqy> faith is pointless too
08:04:27 <Patashu> sustanance or evasion for the ring
08:04:29 <Patashu> depending on which actually does more
08:04:32 <elliott> faith will just make trog give me more shit
08:04:32 <Patashu> monqy: more bia!
08:04:39 <Patashu> well, put on warding at least
08:04:42 <elliott> "more bia"
08:04:43 <monqy> Patashu: infinity plus one equals....
08:04:45 <Patashu> and rpois
08:04:49 <Patashu> since they at least do SOMETHINGa
08:04:50 <elliott> i already have rpois on
08:04:53 <Patashu> oh, lmao
08:04:57 <elliott> ill put on sustenace and wrarding
08:04:58 <Patashu> why do you have two rings of rpois then
08:05:00 <Patashu> ok
08:05:04 <elliott> because
08:05:06 <elliott> i just ided them now
08:05:35 <elliott> uhhh
08:05:37 <elliott> there's no upstairs monqy
08:05:43 <Patashu> yes there is
08:05:44 <monqy> uhh
08:05:45 <Patashu> it's past a trap
08:05:45 <monqy> are you srue
08:05:51 <Patashu> so G is like DERP
08:05:53 <Patashu> can't get there boss
08:05:54 <monqy> yeah go thro the tarp
08:06:03 <Patashu> use a wand of digging
08:06:05 <Patashu> or that
08:06:17 <elliott> excellent
08:06:20 <elliott> uhhh
08:06:22 <elliott> should i put anything else on
08:06:30 <monqy> idk
08:06:43 <monqy> maybe nothing for now, but evo later?
08:06:46 <elliott> ok
08:06:47 <monqy> or
08:06:47 <elliott> "later"
08:06:48 <monqy> evo now
08:06:48 <monqy> or
08:06:49 <monqy> or
08:06:54 <monqy> or ~whatever you want~
08:07:54 <elliott> hi
08:07:56 <monqy> good level
08:08:06 <monqy> trove entry vault
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08:08:08 <elliott> berk time methinks
08:08:18 <elliott> tell me if that's stupid
08:08:22 <monqy> idk
08:08:26 <monqy> probably
08:08:31 <monqy> oh yeah
08:08:34 <monqy> definitely stupid
08:08:36 <elliott> y
08:08:40 <elliott> *why
08:08:42 <monqy> if you're in danger it's stupid, and if you're not in danger it's also stupid
08:08:53 <monqy> is that enough of a hint
08:09:06 <elliott> ok
08:09:09 <elliott> what could
08:09:12 <ion> Man, sprint 5 is difficult.
08:09:12 <elliott> possibly be dangerous
08:09:13 <elliott> im just
08:09:13 <elliott> asking
08:09:25 <monqy> i dont know but
08:09:31 <monqy> if are in danger right now
08:09:33 <zzo38> You were correct the headingUnion being incorrect to figure out what is more specific; I realized that myself, it used to a(1) and a(#1) became unioned to a(#) which is not equal to either of the inputs, but now it result in a(#1) which correctly specifies the second one as less specific.
08:09:51 <elliott> 09:09 <Henzell> louise[1/2]: She banishes regularly, stings, blinks, stone arrows, lightning bolts and heals herself. She comes equipped with heavy armour and usually a shield.
08:09:52 <elliott> oh boy
08:09:56 <elliott> monqy: does the abyss
08:09:57 <elliott> work
08:10:01 <elliott> if no:
08:10:01 <monqy> who knows
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08:10:09 <elliott> louise literally has a crash game spell
08:10:52 <monqy> nice fiend
08:10:57 <elliott> Patashu: have you seen this level
08:10:58 <elliott> its amazing
08:11:05 <Patashu> what about it
08:11:08 <elliott> its
08:11:08 <elliott> tiny
08:11:09 <elliott> and
08:11:11 <elliott> mangled with a vault
08:11:12 <Patashu> hey
08:11:13 <Patashu> zot trap
08:11:17 <elliott> monqy: is that fiend dangerous
08:11:19 <elliott> oh
08:11:21 <elliott> i walked into a zot trap
08:11:22 <elliott> clever me
08:11:22 <Patashu> that ice fiend is technically summoned
08:11:23 <Patashu> so
08:11:24 <Patashu> just leave
08:11:24 <monqy> probably dangerous
08:11:25 <Patashu> and wait it out
08:11:28 <monqy> wait is it?
08:11:31 <elliott> yeah i
08:11:33 <Patashu> isn't it?
08:11:33 <elliott> stepped onto a zot trap
08:11:35 <Patashu> zot trap effect
08:11:37 <monqy> it might be durably summoend
08:11:39 <monqy> check with x
08:11:39 <Patashu> oh
08:11:40 <Patashu> check then
08:11:45 <monqy> durably, yeah
08:11:45 <Patashu> hash
08:11:55 <elliott> yow
08:12:03 <elliott> uhhh if i swap with my C will that help
08:12:04 <elliott> or should i just
08:12:08 <elliott> quaff something
08:12:17 <Patashu> you want rC I guess
08:12:31 <monqy> ice fiend will
08:12:35 <monqy> probably hurt like hell in melee
08:12:36 <monqy> ice hell
08:12:38 <monqy> cocytus
08:12:43 <monqy> patashu gets my joke
08:12:55 <Patashu> cockytus
08:12:59 <monqy> no
08:12:59 <monqy> bad
08:13:11 <elliott> so um
08:13:13 <elliott> should i
08:13:17 <elliott> swap with one of my Cs to hide
08:13:18 <elliott> or
08:13:21 <elliott> quaff something and then do that
08:13:22 <elliott> or
08:13:22 <elliott> ac again
08:13:32 <monqy> swapping with c will protect you from melee but not torment or bolt of cold
08:13:52 <elliott> that's why
08:13:53 <elliott> option 2
08:13:59 <monqy> ice fiend melee hurts, and it especially hurts in monqys-crawl
08:14:01 <monqy> so
08:14:24 <elliott> lucky
08:14:49 <elliott> monqy: what is the portal to?
08:14:55 <monqy> secret trove of treasure
08:15:07 <elliott> not helpful :'(
08:15:14 <elliott> oh
08:15:15 <Patashu> try it and see
08:15:16 <elliott> it's literally called trove
08:15:17 <elliott> ok
08:15:18 <elliott> Patashu: dude
08:15:24 <elliott> 90% of portals crash monqys-crawl
08:15:31 <elliott> how big is trove
08:15:32 <monqy> do they?
08:15:35 <Patashu> save then check, then
08:15:37 <elliott> monqy: well anything big enough
08:15:46 <elliott> Patashu: no as in
08:15:48 <elliott> you don't get the file back
08:15:52 <Patashu> oh
08:16:04 <monqy> elliott: that ossuary didn't crash it, and when i tried a sewer it didn't crash, it just didn't have a map (it made a quaint little room with some escape hatches out)
08:16:19 <elliott> does the portal expire
08:16:23 <monqy> no
08:16:28 <monqy> but it requires an item to function
08:16:34 <elliott> what item
08:16:39 <monqy> try it
08:16:44 <elliott> uhhh
08:16:45 <elliott> can i savescum
08:16:53 <monqy> it'll prompt you for the item
08:16:58 <elliott> i mean
08:16:58 <elliott> as in
08:17:01 <elliott> so that it doesn't crah
08:17:02 <elliott> *crash
08:17:04 <elliott> and eat my game
08:17:06 <monqy> sure fine whatever
08:17:11 <elliott> meh
08:17:15 <elliott> uhhhhhhhh
08:17:17 <monqy> oh, you want gda for yourself
08:17:20 <elliott> i have a +4 gold dragon armour?
08:17:21 <monqy> not that you have it
08:17:24 <monqy> no
08:17:27 <elliott> what would happen if i said y
08:17:32 <monqy> try and see
08:17:38 <elliott> ok
08:17:48 <monqy> anyway if you find gda you'll want to wear it
08:18:09 <monqy> and if you find a gold dragon and it leaves a corpse, chop the corpse up, and if it leaves a hide, enchant the hide, then wear it
08:18:17 <monqy> (wear the resultant armour, that is
08:18:34 <elliott> 10, 9, 8...
08:18:45 <elliott> yawn
08:18:48 <elliott> how pedestrian
08:19:49 <elliott> neat
08:19:59 <elliott> 09:19 <Henzell> agnes[1/6]: A megabatshit crazy spriggan fighter with a good lajatang. Speed 18, base damage 30.
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08:20:03 <elliott> time to back behind my dudes i guess
08:20:05 <elliott> `welcome libaofeng
08:20:08 <HackEgo> libaofeng: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
08:20:47 <zzo38> libaofeng: Do you like this?? Us channel we many things a lot
08:20:55 <elliott> thanks zzo38
08:21:02 <zzo38> (Including, but not limited to, this.)
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08:22:58 <monqy> nice fire crab
08:23:02 <elliott> are they scary
08:23:07 <monqy> it didn't evne breathe? lame
08:23:08 <Patashu> not really
08:23:32 <elliott> hi, mennas
08:23:45 <elliott> wow
08:23:46 <elliott> uhhhhhh
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08:23:48 <Patashu> hi mennas
08:23:55 <elliott> wtf!!
08:24:01 <Patashu> silence
08:24:03 <monqy> mennas silenced you
08:24:07 <elliott> help :(
08:24:08 <elliott> am i dead
08:24:12 <monqy> maybe
08:24:12 <Patashu> go up the stairs
08:24:20 <elliott> monqy: tell Patashu about the monqys-crawl condut
08:24:21 <elliott> *conduct
08:24:42 <monqy> Patashu: i havent removed stairs from monqys-crawl yet, so there's a conduct where if you play an op char you morally have to not take upstairs
08:25:12 <monqy> if you play an underpowered char you can do whatever you want
08:25:18 <Patashu> ah, ok
08:25:22 <elliott> so uhhh
08:25:25 <elliott> how scary is mennas
08:25:33 <monqy> idk
08:25:33 <elliott> and how long does silence last
08:25:43 <elliott> also
08:25:47 <monqy> this is monqys-crawl, so mennas is different scarywise
08:25:49 <elliott> i have potions of berserk rage and might so
08:25:52 <elliott> maybe i'll just
08:26:00 <elliott> berk mennas
08:26:01 <monqy> might an dzerk doesn't stack
08:26:07 <monqy> but you can do either of them
08:26:07 <elliott> didn't say they do
08:26:11 <elliott> might is just berk without all the bad stuff right
08:26:23 <monqy> and without haste or extra hp
08:26:37 <elliott> oh
08:26:38 <elliott> berk then
08:26:47 <elliott> that was easy
08:27:00 <monqy> nice ogre mage
08:27:05 <monqy> nice stone giant
08:27:05 <elliott> christ
08:27:08 <elliott> ranged combat is
08:27:08 <elliott> no
08:27:11 <elliott> stone giant fuck that
08:27:13 <elliott> did you see the
08:27:15 <elliott> ranged
08:27:17 <elliott> brought me down
08:27:17 <monqy> it'll throw stones at you, elliott
08:27:18 <elliott> uhhh
08:27:27 <elliott> hahahhhahahahahahahaahhaa
08:27:31 <elliott> after all that
08:27:38 <elliott> you really
08:27:39 <elliott> really
08:27:40 <elliott> REALLY
08:27:42 <elliott> need to nerf projectiles
08:27:54 <elliott> Patashu: hope you didn't miss that!!!
08:28:26 <monqy> anyway i should sleep now or something
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08:29:02 <Patashu> sorry
08:29:03 <Patashu> miss what
08:29:09 <elliott> lol
08:29:10 <elliott> well
08:29:13 <elliott> i died
08:29:15 <elliott> mennas was a pushover
08:29:19 <elliott> ogre mage was a pushover
08:29:21 <elliott> ogres were pushover
08:29:23 <elliott> but then
08:29:26 <elliott> stone giant
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08:29:29 <elliott> while i was still berked
08:29:30 <elliott> now
08:29:31 <elliott> the thing is
08:29:34 <elliott> the stone giant didn't kill me
08:29:40 <elliott> it just threw some rocks at me
08:29:42 <elliott> and those killed me instead
08:29:48 <elliott> monqys-crawl projectiles are
08:29:51 <elliott> scar
08:29:52 <elliott> y
08:31:14 <elliott> anyway
08:31:17 * Sgeo drops a DF drawbridge on elliott
08:31:19 <elliott> Patashu: it's fun; you should play it
08:31:31 <elliott> oh wait you use windows
08:31:45 <Sgeo> elliott, ...
08:31:52 <elliott> what
08:31:57 <Sgeo> PuTTY exists, I think there are Windows versions of Crawl, etc. etc.
08:32:05 <elliott> don't assume i'm an idiot
08:32:08 <elliott> im talking about monqys-crawl
08:32:11 <Sgeo> Oh
08:32:15 <elliott> unless Patashu has a C compiler toolchain installed
08:32:18 <elliott> and
08:32:20 <Patashu> I might, somewhere
08:32:22 <elliott> i have no idea how to compile crawl on windows anyway
08:32:29 <elliott> Patashu: including MSYS or Cygwin?
08:32:33 <Patashu> but I think I'll wait until monqys-crawl is more...
08:32:38 <elliott> also you need git so
08:32:39 <zzo38> Will MinGW work? If not, will Cygwin work?
08:32:41 <Patashu> not crashy
08:32:47 <elliott> Patashu: the crashes are easy
08:32:52 <elliott> just go up before going down and you never lose more than a few seconds
08:33:01 <zzo38> Cygwin includes git and ssh, as well as many other things
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08:59:35 <shubshub> Hi
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09:06:20 <zzo38> What drunk madman?
09:07:31 <elliott> Me.
09:09:48 <elliott> @tell ais523 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4512
09:09:48 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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09:10:44 <zzo38> I realized another thing to do regarding the matching of headings in this program; using a list monad. In case of more than one possibility, the most specific one comes first but then it is >>= to something that decides all the choices next; and then take the head of the resulting list. If any branch has no more match, we just end with [] and then the next one will be tried.
09:12:59 <zzo38> Does *any* other programming language expand macros in this way????
09:15:13 <elliott> me
09:17:39 <zzo38> If we need to have some more complicated tie breaking, one way to do so is to use WriterT [Int] [] so that the numbers are also given as the monoid which, if tied, are equal; and then the head of the final result we check the first however many entries have that equal tie, and then do tie-breaking based on that (resulting in error if it is impossible).
09:22:09 <elliott> zzo38: What would you do if you exploded *and* evaporated?
09:23:04 <zzo38> elliott: How can I do anything if I have exploded and evaporated?
09:23:13 <elliott> Good point.
09:23:38 <elliott> Hmm, I thought zzo38 proposed a featured language candidte.
09:23:40 <elliott> *candidate.
09:23:42 <elliott> But he didn't.
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09:28:36 <zzo38> I haven't done so. I am simply describing possible features of WizardCard while thinking about it, to give anyone the opportunity to object to any of this, or endorse it, or something else.
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09:47:53 <elliott> Patashu: how dare you
09:50:28 <Patashu> sup
09:51:23 <elliott> Patashu "arrested for crimes against disto"
09:51:31 <elliott> you didn't anticipate the monqy police :(
09:52:25 <Patashu> I've tried disto a bunch, I don't think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages
09:52:28 <Patashu> I never used disto on my ogak run
09:53:02 <elliott> yrr skill arested
09:54:00 <elliott> *stille
09:55:46 <Deewiant> http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4512 "Feather: A Heapless Functional Programming Language"
09:56:01 <elliott> Deewiant: 10:09 <elliott> @tell ais523 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4512
09:56:05 <elliott> TAKE THAT FINLAND
09:56:15 <Deewiant> Meh, I just lastlogged feather
09:56:45 <elliott> Deewiant: Did you see our NEW WIKI CONTENT? http://esolangs.org/wiki/♦
09:57:33 <Deewiant> Righto
09:57:43 <zzo38> Do you like HAKMEM?
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10:14:35 <zzo38> I have read about a circle algorithm that uses only subtraction and shift, and uses no extra registers
10:15:38 <zzo38> And it is very simple; only a few instructions.
10:17:49 <Lumpio-> ...did you actually see the code?
10:18:58 <zzo38> Yes I did; but that was for an old computer and I have reimplemented the same idea on other systems
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10:21:04 <Patashu> ok
10:21:11 <Patashu> I figured out how to do frequon invaders with one invader at a time
10:21:13 <Patashu> two is...funky looking
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10:25:23 <elliott> Deewiant: What time is it in Finland?
10:26:23 <Deewiant> 13:25:23 ( elliott) Deewiant: What time is it in Finland?
10:26:31 <elliott> Thanks, fizzie.
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12:26:23 <ais523> hi lambdabot
12:26:23 <lambdabot> ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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13:41:57 <ais523> fun happenings in oracle v google; the jury found exactly 9 lines of code copied out of 15 million, Oracle look like they want damages for them anyway
13:42:10 <ais523> could lead to a hilariously small verdict
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15:58:01 <olsner> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fPlpZATsNDc clop clop
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16:31:10 <itidus20> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ano_Engxo8 >:-)
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17:13:28 <AnotherTest> hello
17:16:25 <zzo38> If you made up the laws of a country, would it be permitted to eat peanuts and walk backward while a concert is on?
17:16:36 <coppro> yes
17:16:59 <zzo38> Good, because I do not see any reason to prohibit it.
17:17:17 <AnotherTest> that the depends who's eating those peanuts and walking
17:17:25 <AnotherTest> s/depends/
17:17:32 <AnotherTest> uh
17:17:36 <AnotherTest> just remove the the
17:17:43 <AnotherTest> suppose he was a criminal
17:17:49 <AnotherTest> then I would not allow that
17:18:17 <zzo38> I mean in general.
17:25:41 <zzo38> Do you think video games are a "higher" pleasure than push-pin?
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17:26:55 <Sgeo> push-pin?
17:27:54 <itidus20> zzo38: I have arrived at the conclusion that video games.
17:28:05 <nortti> hi
17:28:05 <lambdabot> nortti: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
17:28:17 <nortti> @messages
17:28:17 <lambdabot> pikhq said 10h 42m 7s ago: No, but it has busybox awk!
17:28:17 <lambdabot> pikhq said 10h 41m 37s ago: BTW, sh4rm4's sabotage is at https://github.com/rofl0r/sabotage
17:28:35 <zzo38> Quoting from this book: "Push-pin is a child's game in which each player pushes or flips his pin with the object of crossing the pin of another player. In Bentham's time, it was a metaphor for a meaningless and trivial activity."
17:29:08 <nortti> pikhq: sh4rm4 said gawk is required to build sabotage
17:29:48 <itidus20> whats a pin? is it like a safety pin? a small nail? a button?
17:30:02 <zzo38> I don't know. I am only quoting what the book says.
17:30:06 <itidus20> lol!
17:30:15 <olsner> PIN, personal identification number
17:30:38 <itidus20> stack.push(flip(PIN))
17:31:03 <zzo38> From the description I would guess it is simply a meaningless game where the pins will inevitably cross each other
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17:32:23 <itidus20> or perhaps that nothing is achieved if they don't. lol
17:34:35 <nortti> pikhq_: sh4rm4 said gnu awk is neded for building sabotage so busybox awk doesn't really help
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17:36:52 <itidus20> wiki says "The game is played by two or more players who each set one pin (needle) on a table."
17:37:33 <pikhq_> Impressive, considering stage 0 doesn't have gawk. Or, indeed, much beyond bootstrap linux.
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17:41:26 <nortti> pikhq_: thats strange. I'll have to try building sabotage on bootstraplinux sometime
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18:17:18 <Ngevd> Hello
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18:28:45 <Ngevd> Hello
18:28:59 <Ngevd> Finnish people: should I entertain studying in Finland as an option?
18:30:36 <Gregor> No, but you should study entertaining in Finland as an option.
18:32:12 <nortti> Ngevd: maybe
18:32:27 <Ngevd> For maths?
18:32:48 <olsner> Ngevd: no
18:36:40 <oklopol> you're gonna study math?
18:36:48 <Ngevd> Most likely
18:36:49 <olsner> Ngevd: Finland is just dark, cold and boring, no fun at all... I know because I have never been there
18:36:50 <oklopol> ooh
18:37:01 <oklopol> come to turku, we can be research buddies
18:38:37 <Ngevd> Does Turku do a maths course in English
18:39:20 <oklopol> that might actually be a bit of a problem, we have some professors who prefer finnish because english hadn't been invented when they started
18:39:39 <oklopol> so there's like two courses in english usually
18:39:48 <oklopol> the best ones though
18:43:22 <oklopol> yeah just a couple of good ones running
18:44:22 * Gregor is kind of boggled by the notion of a university that teaches non-language courses in various languages ...
18:44:58 * Ngevd technically lives in Europe
18:45:39 <oklopol> yeah some people prefer english, some prefer finnish in the math dep, it's annoying. the it dep uses just english, but computer science sucks so who cares.
18:45:55 <oklopol> although the fuck would you know, american.
18:46:08 <olsner> Gregor: stuff like that happens in places where people know more than one language
18:46:59 <oklopol> often language changes to finnish if there are no foreigners present :D
18:47:00 <Gregor> olsner: I suppose that's understandable, except that essentially it makes an implicit requirement of being /fluent/ in multiple languages ... if you were, say, a Russian looking to study in Finland, you'd have to learn two languages instead of one ...
18:47:14 <oklopol> but the stuff on the board is still in english in case someone comes
18:47:41 <Ngevd> Gregor, English is an international lingua frana
18:47:45 <olsner> Gregor: I think mostly you'd have to already know english, because lol finnish
18:47:52 <fizzie> We have a "policy decision" nowadays that many pre-Bachelor's-degree courses are done in Finnish, while all post-Bachelor's are in English.
18:47:52 <oklopol> Gregor: if a finn isn't fluent in english, they should not be in a university
18:48:40 <oklopol> fizzie: same one here in the it dep
18:48:45 <oklopol> do you have it everywhere?
18:49:14 <oklopol> some of the professors are so old they just know german and french
18:49:41 <fizzie> I don't really know, I remember it being discussed but I don't recall whether it was a department-, school- or university-level occasion.
18:49:57 <nortti> Ngevd: how you live technically in Europe?
18:50:29 <Ngevd> nortti, by the virtue of geography
18:50:39 <Ngevd> Unless you are questioning the "technically"?
18:50:44 <oklopol> he is
18:50:45 <olsner> Europe, technically a good place to live
18:50:58 <Ngevd> UK's special
18:51:00 <olsner> technically living? why not do it in Europe!
18:51:06 <Ngevd> Or pretends it is
18:51:13 <oklopol> it's not
18:51:22 <olsner> or maybe "why not technically live in Europe!"
18:51:44 <oklopol> Ngevd: what continent does it pretend to be on?
18:52:23 <Ngevd> oklopol, it's honest about geography, but we sort of have a "We're better than those silly Europeans" attitude ingrained
18:52:36 <olsner> ooh, I know this: the UK is in the continent of England, right?
18:52:53 <Ngevd> olsner, I dunno, ask Phantom_Hoover
18:53:16 <olsner> hmm, I don't trust his knowledge of these things
18:53:39 <Ngevd> See, this is why we suck at Eurovision
18:53:59 <oklopol> Ngevd: people say stuff like "spending summer in europe" here
18:54:34 <oklopol> which i find confusing
18:54:56 <nortti> do some people think that ed is obsolete?
18:55:04 <oklopol> the drink?
18:55:07 <Ngevd> The horse?
18:55:11 <oklopol> the guy?
18:55:17 <nortti> editor
18:55:20 <oklopol> oh.
18:55:24 <oklopol> who cares about that
18:55:28 <olsner> is that a technically-not-lying way to pretend to have the fortune to spend summer outside finland?
18:56:06 <nortti> oklopol: I use it and I don't think it is obsolete
18:56:21 <oklopol> the drink?
18:56:34 <oklopol> Ngevd: your cue.
18:56:38 <Ngevd> the horse
18:56:39 <Ngevd> ?
18:56:42 <oklopol> the guy?
18:56:52 <oklopol> nortti: i use wordpad and latex
18:57:09 <oklopol> i've used ed for a few seconds and it was annoying
18:57:23 <Ngevd> oklopol: how does one navigate the University of Turku websitE?
18:57:29 <nortti> oklopol: what do you mean?
19:00:37 <oklopol> nortti: it was long ago, i don't remember
19:01:03 <olsner> the drink, your cue, the horse, the guy? o.O
19:01:06 <oklopol> Ngevd: press in english and realize it's 5% of the content...
19:01:11 <oklopol> okay god we suck :D
19:01:26 <oklopol> http://www.sci.utu.fi/tdk/en/education/sguide/guide11-12/Mathematics.pdf
19:01:28 <oklopol> may be useful
19:01:58 <oklopol> nortti: presumably i just couldn't do much with it without knowing how it works
19:02:39 <nortti> you can always use google translate!!!1
19:03:39 <nortti> oklopol: It isn't that hard to know how it works. Read man ed
19:04:00 <nortti> *learn
19:04:18 <oklopol> Ngevd: that was through "in english" and pressing "study guide".
19:04:39 <oklopol> i suppose that's all the courses we have in english right now, which is pretty depressing.
19:05:26 <Ngevd> :/
19:06:13 <oklopol> now that i think about it, i wonder if it's even possible to do your undergraduate studies here, since just about everywhere, the undergraduate courses are in finnish
19:06:26 <Ngevd> Okay
19:06:34 <Ngevd> I'll ask again in about 5 years, thanks!
19:06:51 <monqy> learn finnish !
19:07:06 <Ngevd> Isn't that one of the hardest languages to learn?
19:07:14 <Ngevd> And I've got, like, 2 weeks to learn Latin
19:07:30 <nortti> Ngevd: spelling no, grammar yes
19:07:35 <oklopol> 'man' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
19:07:35 <oklopol> operable program or batch file.
19:07:39 <AnotherTest> 2 weeks? for all Latin grammar?
19:07:44 <AnotherTest> that can't be possible :o
19:07:56 <Ngevd> I know most of it, I'm just being hard on myself
19:08:09 <nortti> oklopol: use linux/cygwin
19:08:13 <Ngevd> Well, most I need for the exam
19:08:29 <AnotherTest> oh and, the vocabulary; they have so much words!
19:08:42 <oklopol> nortti: i have yet to find an "install linux" button anywhere
19:08:44 <Ngevd> All the words!
19:08:48 <AnotherTest> are you allowed to use a dictionary?
19:08:51 <Ngevd> Nah
19:09:04 <Ngevd> It's a one-and-a-half hour exam
19:09:10 <AnotherTest> Well then you can only hope it's not poetry
19:09:22 <Ngevd> Prose
19:09:25 <nortti> oklopol: then install cygwin
19:09:29 <AnotherTest> because they have a separate vocabulary for that
19:09:34 <AnotherTest> ah, prose is fine
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19:09:42 <oklopol> nortti: what can ed do?
19:09:50 <AnotherTest> although if you get Tacitus
19:09:52 <AnotherTest> :o
19:09:57 <oklopol> that say wordpad can't
19:10:01 <nortti> oklopol: edit text files
19:10:08 <AnotherTest> Tacitus is really hard(sentences stretch over pages)
19:10:48 <nortti> oklopol: it has regexps on search/search and replace
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19:11:14 <Ngevd> It's adapted prose
19:11:18 <oklopol> okay, that is indeed useful every few years
19:11:37 <Ngevd> And Cicero's pretty nasty
19:11:45 <oklopol> some basic syntax highlighting is useful, so i use texniccenter when writing articles
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19:12:03 <Ngevd> nortti, so does Notepad++
19:12:05 <oklopol> Ngevd: a bachelor's degree doesn't take 5 years
19:12:11 <monqy> @karma notepad
19:12:11 <lambdabot> notepad has a karma of 10
19:12:26 <Ngevd> oklopol, it does if you still have a year left of high school
19:12:27 <nortti> also you can select area to find perform search and replace in (for example .,$s/regexp/string/g)
19:12:35 <Ngevd> elliott, hello!
19:12:42 <oklopol> Ngevd: skip that shit
19:13:55 <Ngevd> oklopol, that may be counter productive
19:13:58 <oklopol> nortti: that's really not useful very often, at least i don't recall ever missing that feature, perhaps it would be more useful if i was used to it.
19:14:28 <oklopol> nortti: also i almost never write code, and when i do, it's usually in an ide.
19:14:50 <oklopol> Ngevd: high school is a waste of time, just go straight to a university.
19:14:52 <olsner> `welcome elliott
19:14:54 <HackEgo> Failed to clone the environment!
19:14:58 <Gregor> ...
19:15:00 <oklopol> :D
19:15:07 <elliott> :D
19:15:23 <nortti> oklopol: also it doesn't take very much space (under 7kB on my system) and it can be used over very slow links
19:15:47 <elliott> I love reasons for using software that boil down to "so I can simulate living in the 80s".
19:15:59 <AnotherTest> Ngevd: wait for Tacitus :p
19:16:19 <oklopol> nortti: i have a couple of terabytes to spare, i'm not sure that's a very useful feature either :D
19:16:41 <nortti> elliott: Actually the version of ed I use is from 75
19:16:48 <nortti> *'75
19:16:59 <oklopol> i rarely encounter slow links
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19:17:07 <oklopol> and i rarely use computers remotely
19:17:40 <oklopol> occasionally i do, but both connections are 100 Mb/s
19:17:55 <nortti> oklopol: well then you are probably better of wirh sonething else
19:18:30 <oklopol> i certainly am the better of wirh soneting else.
19:18:52 <oklopol> also learning new things is annoying if it has to do with computers
19:19:13 <Ngevd> Is that a fourteen line poem written by an electric screwdriver?
19:19:56 <oklopol> is what a fourteen line poem written by an electric screwdriver?
19:20:25 <Ngevd> The result of wirh soneting
19:20:55 <oklopol> does wirh mean something?
19:21:19 <Ngevd> Sounds like "whir"
19:21:20 <oklopol> well i'm happy with it meaning an electric screwdriver
19:21:29 <oklopol> i think you're pronouncing it wrong
19:22:00 <Ngevd> I often transpose s's in four letter words begining with w
19:22:08 <Ngevd> s/s's/h's/
19:22:52 <Ngevd> As in, "whoa"/"woah"
19:23:11 <oklopol> www.vjn.fi/ku/wirh.wma
19:23:56 <Ngevd> "yalph"!?
19:24:03 <Ngevd> Goodbye, elliott!
19:24:51 <oklopol> that's not what i said
19:25:12 <Ngevd> I'm in a noisy room, it's hard to hear
19:25:26 <oklopol> www.vjn.fi/ku/yalph.wma
19:25:54 <oklopol> there must be something wrong with your ears
19:26:46 <Ngevd> I almost went deaf when I was 7
19:27:26 <oklopol> how did you do that?
19:27:50 <Ngevd> Inner ears didn't grow properly
19:28:03 <oklopol> :D
19:28:06 <oklopol> you are full of surprises
19:28:18 <Ngevd> I am an ENDLESS BARREL OF SURPRISES
19:29:10 <oklopol> can i have another+
19:29:11 <oklopol> _
19:29:13 <oklopol> *
19:29:15 <oklopol> dsfkljasdkfjlasdjf
19:29:22 <Ngevd> No
19:29:26 <nortti> `quote
19:29:27 <oklopol> why does the language of my keyboard keep changing? :D
19:29:29 <nortti> `quote
19:29:31 <nortti> `quote
19:29:32 <nortti> `quote
19:29:33 <nortti> `quote
19:29:35 <oklopol> `quote
19:29:37 <oklopol> `quote
19:29:42 <HackEgo> Failed to clone the environment!
19:29:42 <HackEgo> Failed to clone the environment!
19:29:42 <HackEgo> Failed to clone the environment!
19:29:42 <HackEgo> Failed to clone the environment!
19:29:43 <HackEgo> Failed to clone the environment!
19:29:43 <HackEgo> Failed to clone the environment!
19:29:45 <HackEgo> 419) <elliott> Gregor: do you have any idea how overrated lives are <Gregor> Damn right!
19:29:48 <oklopol> :----------------------------------------D
19:29:49 <Gregor> I am currently effing with the system, please stop X_X
19:29:57 <nortti> :D
19:30:07 <oklopol> Gregor: did you make a booboo?
19:30:17 <Gregor> No, the HD is just full again.
19:30:21 <Sgeo> We should play Mafia
19:30:22 <Gregor> I have no idea how I fill it so damned easily X_X
19:30:24 <Sgeo> Esoteric Mafia
19:30:25 <Sgeo> >.>
19:30:44 <nortti> Gregor: how large is your HD?
19:30:55 <Gregor> 20G
19:30:59 <oklopol> :D
19:31:05 <oklopol> where did you get that
19:31:09 <Ngevd> Sgeo, I'm awful at Mafia
19:31:27 <oklopol> i didn't know it was physically possible to have so little bits on a hd
19:31:29 <nortti> Gregor: how can you fill that?
19:31:34 <Gregor> oklopol: This is a VPS.
19:32:10 <oklopol> it's still very little
19:32:16 <Gregor> `echo Pip pip cheerio, I'm from the land of five pigs and hence speak with a Cockney accent in pithy phrases because Americans don't understand geography.
19:32:20 <HackEgo> Pip pip cheerio, I'm from the land of five pigs and hence speak with a Cockney accent in pithy phrases because Americans don't understand geography.
19:32:26 <Gregor> Whoops, it's the land of six pigs.
19:32:30 <Gregor> `echo Pip pip cheerio, I'm from the land of six pigs and hence speak with a Cockney accent in pithy phrases because Americans don't understand geography.
19:32:33 <HackEgo> Pip pip cheerio, I'm from the land of six pigs and hence speak with a Cockney accent in pithy phrases because Americans don't understand geography.
19:32:53 <monqy> hi
19:33:03 <oklopol> nortti: i can fill a 20G drive in an hour
19:33:46 <oklopol> well i'm capable of doing it faster, but i mean that's a pretty normal speed
19:34:02 <nortti> oklopol: what? I couldn't fill 6GB drive in a year
19:34:23 <oklopol> i downloaded 7Gb a few days ago
19:34:39 <Ngevd> nortti, you're actually in 1975
19:34:45 <Gregor> I have a 3TB drive, it's about 1/3 full after a half a year or so.
19:35:21 <nortti> Ngevd: IRC wasn't invented back then
19:35:22 <oklopol> Gregor: i watched the first episode of MLP
19:35:29 <Lumpio-> stop pirating all the things
19:35:45 <oklopol> no
19:35:52 <Gregor> Lumpio-: Hasbro really lost a lot of money on oklopol here.
19:35:56 <nortti> Gregor: that is just insane
19:36:08 <Lumpio-> Gregor: I was talking to you
19:36:24 <Gregor> Oh, because my disk is 1/3 full. Hmmm, what's on there ...
19:36:26 <Lumpio-> Or is your 3TB HDD full of "linux distros"
19:36:34 <oklopol> nortti: a season of a show takes about 10GB
19:36:41 <Gregor> The only videos I have on there are MLP, I don't think that's going to be 1TB.
19:36:47 <oklopol> and there's usually 10 seasons before it's worth watching
19:36:59 <Gregor> I have a youtube/ directory because I prefer to watch youtube by downloading and playing later, that's probably largish.
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19:37:14 <Gregor> My music directory tends to be bloated with pointless intermediary files.
19:37:24 <Gregor> Idonno, I haven't actually checked where the space has gone *shrugs*
19:37:29 <Lumpio-> I have about 1TB of video currently I guess
19:37:36 <Lumpio-> Another TB of backups (because I'm lazy and take full disk images of laptops)
19:37:58 <elliott> My drives are universally either almost empty or almost full.
19:38:06 <elliott> I never seem to go through an intermediate stage.
19:38:06 <oklopol> Gregor: i have 1.21TB used after a bit over half a year
19:38:22 <Gregor> <oklopol> Gregor: i watched the first episode of MLP // why did we not continue this conversation
19:38:29 <Gregor> oklopol: So, you watched exactly enough to be at a cliffhanger?
19:38:31 <oklopol> granted, i occasionally just make a copy of everything just to see diskspace get smaller.
19:38:34 <nortti> Gregor: I also have youtube/ and music/ but I still haven't filled more than 10% of my 30GB disk
19:38:37 <oklopol> Gregor: eah
19:38:38 <oklopol> yeah
19:38:47 <oklopol> trying to find the strength to continue
19:38:51 <Gregor> lol
19:39:38 <Lumpio-> I have some 250GB of music
19:39:41 <nortti> Oh and dropbox/
19:40:02 <Lumpio-> ...mostly because I downloaded the touhou collection (MP3 version, I'm not insane enough to download over a terabyte of FLACs)
19:40:07 <Gregor> oklopol: Incidentally, the first two episodes, while awesome, are thematically quite different from the series at large.
19:40:15 <elliott> hello monqy
19:40:26 <augur> woo
19:40:40 <augur> the guy who writes smbc commented on my comment on his recent comic
19:40:41 <elliott> Lumpio-: Pfffft, lossy music.
19:40:45 <elliott> You BARBARIAN.
19:40:58 * Lumpio- yawns
19:41:00 <Lumpio-> Audiophiles ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌
19:41:02 <Ngevd> elliott has all the Touhou on vinyl
19:41:06 <elliott> Lumpio-: No, this is purely a superiority thing.
19:41:28 <elliott> MP3 with a recent encoder at any reasonable setting is going to be transparent on all reasonable hardware and ears.
19:41:31 <elliott> I just like feeling smug.
19:41:32 <Gregor> <augur> the guy who writes smbc commented on my comment on his recent comic // I think this makes you a celebrity!
19:41:39 <augur> :D
19:41:39 <augur> http://www.reddit.com/r/linguistics/comments/tcjqt/glottal_stop_saturday_morning_breakfast_cereal/c4lg013
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19:41:54 <elliott> Gregor: Man, I gotta be a celebrity ten times over then!!!
19:42:07 <Gregor> elliott: It doesn't count for people from the land of six pigs.
19:42:15 <elliott> Did you know Tim Berners-Lee is on freenode? He types really badly.
19:42:31 <elliott> (Speaking of "BARELY celebrities" HAW HAW HAW)
19:42:36 <augur> elliott: lol
19:42:41 <augur> well hes too busy inventing the web
19:42:41 <augur> so
19:42:42 <elliott> (Uh, there's no pun on "barely" there.)
19:42:45 <oklopol> Gregor: it wasn't bad, but there was very little sex and violence
19:42:58 <Gregor> oklopol: X-D
19:43:00 <augur> oklopol! :D
19:43:03 <nortti> I use ogg vorbis for all of my music
19:43:19 * augur sexes and violences oklopol
19:43:24 <oklopol> oh dear
19:43:30 <Gregor> oklopol: Not gonna find much violence I'm afraid. You have to sort of read too much into it for the sex, but it's there. Applejack and Rainbow Dash are definitely banging on the side.
19:43:35 <elliott> `addquote <oklopol> Gregor: i watched the first episode of MLP [...] <oklopol> Gregor: it wasn't bad, but there was very little sex and violence
19:43:38 <HackEgo> 854) <oklopol> Gregor: i watched the first episode of MLP [...] <oklopol> Gregor: it wasn't bad, but there was very little sex and violence
19:45:17 <oklopol> Gregor: i liked how the main character is actually not annoying
19:45:52 <Ngevd> Ooh, this reminds me
19:46:12 <Ngevd> I need to buy one of my friends a MLP vest (British sense of the word)
19:47:07 <olsner> clop clop
19:48:02 <olsner> new private tab, goto /r/clop
19:48:16 * Gregor >_> <_<
19:48:53 <Ngevd> (This is for ironic climbing purposes)
19:49:22 <Gregor> "But it's so ... steep." "Well it /is/ a cliff. You could just, oh, I don't know, /fly/!"
19:52:09 <elliott> Hello!!!!!!!!!!!! Believe a dog
19:52:22 <monqy> hi
19:52:40 <elliott> monqy: Are you believing ?
19:52:44 <monqy> yes
19:52:50 <monqy> p.s. what's a dog
19:52:52 <elliott> Its' all good now.
19:53:06 <elliott> monqy: A small mammal , kind of lik ea kangeroo ; looks like a cat with the tail of a rabbit .
19:53:49 <elliott> monqy : If you die please report the incident to Dog Council , thanks.
19:55:06 <elliott> monqy: dO YOU FEEL AXIOM
19:55:42 <elliott> oklopol: i think monqy feel axiom
19:56:02 <elliott> Gregor: please tell monqy if he feel axiom
19:56:04 <elliott> bye
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19:56:26 <monqy> Gregor: what's axiom
19:56:30 <olsner> monqy: close your eyes, count to three, feel axiom
19:56:38 <monqy> wow it really works
19:56:49 <monqy> @ask elliott i feel axiome
19:56:49 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
19:57:14 <Gregor> @ask elliott Does monqy know how to @ask vs @tell?
19:57:14 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
19:57:19 <Gregor> @tell elliott No, no he does not.
19:57:19 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
19:57:23 <Gregor> @ask elliott Do I?
19:57:24 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
19:57:27 <Gregor> @ask elliott No, no I do not.
19:57:28 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
19:58:01 <monqy> @tell elliott what's @ask vs @tell?
19:58:01 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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19:58:17 <olsner> don't @ask, don't @tell
19:58:19 <Ngevd> Hello ais523
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19:58:27 <olsner> `welcome ais523
19:58:30 <HackEgo> ais523: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
19:58:35 <olsner> boring, it works now
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19:59:09 <elliott> @messages
19:59:09 <lambdabot> monqy asked 2m 20s ago: i feel axiome
19:59:09 <lambdabot> Gregor asked 1m 55s ago: Does monqy know how to @ask vs @tell?
19:59:09 <lambdabot> Gregor said 1m 50s ago: No, no he does not.
19:59:09 <lambdabot> Gregor asked 1m 45s ago: Do I?
19:59:09 <lambdabot> Gregor asked 1m 41s ago: No, no I do not.
19:59:11 <lambdabot> monqy said 1m 8s ago: what's @ask vs @tell?
19:59:23 <elliott> That,s a bit weird' don,t you think?
19:59:26 <ais523> hi elliott
19:59:28 <elliott> Hello ais523 .
19:59:41 <olsner> elliott: `welcome works now, do you want to be welcomed?
19:59:42 <Sgeo> @ask Sgeo Blah blah blah.
19:59:42 <lambdabot> You can tell yourself!
19:59:54 <Sgeo> @ask Sgeo Blo Gno Mic?
19:59:54 <lambdabot> You can tell yourself!
20:01:05 <Sgeo> @tell Sgeo apparently I can't, because you won't let me.
20:01:05 <lambdabot> You can tell yourself!
20:01:15 <elliott> olsner: no
20:01:16 <elliott> (yes)
20:01:17 <Sgeo> @tell yourself ok.
20:01:17 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
20:01:20 <elliott> (secretly)
20:01:21 <elliott> (in my heart)
20:01:23 -!- elliott has changed nick to yourself.
20:01:25 <yourself> @messages?
20:01:25 <lambdabot> yourself: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
20:01:28 <yourself> @messages
20:01:28 <lambdabot> Sgeo said 11s ago: ok.
20:01:31 -!- yourself has changed nick to elliott.
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20:03:10 <olsner> `@ elliott ? esoteric
20:03:13 <HackEgo> elliott: This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.
20:03:26 <elliott> I've been in the wrong place all these years?!
20:03:47 <olsner> yes, secretly, in your heart
20:11:40 <Sgeo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Duplo
20:11:51 <Sgeo> I always thought that that was mostly what was meant by Lego
20:11:51 <cheater> hi olsner
20:12:17 <Sgeo> (Of course, I saw exceptions online, e.g. with The Brick Testament)
20:12:50 <Sgeo> Oh, there are only hardness and size differences? Oops
20:12:58 <cheater> olsner do you know of a language which has blocks defined by indent (kinda sorta like python), and where you can define new keywords, which then completely define the syntax in the following block?
20:13:28 <Sgeo> cheater, Nimrod has macros, but I don't know if they're as powerful as you want
20:13:44 <Sgeo> You could start out in Forth and do things to your whim.
20:13:45 <cheater> i want complete control
20:13:52 <Sgeo> Forth is complete control
20:14:00 <cheater> is complete control forth?
20:14:21 <Sgeo> Lisp (at least Common Lisp) is also complete control.
20:14:23 <cheater> ALSO: would be nice if the language were just haskell :(
20:14:53 <Sgeo> Well, hmm, no, Lisp is less control I think.
20:15:01 <Sgeo> Although not really less control of syntax
20:15:15 <Sgeo> More like less control of the ... runtime? Although I may be wrong
20:15:27 <cheater> i just want total control of the syntax, i guess
20:15:46 <Sgeo> Forth. Common Lisp, depending on what you mean by syntax.
20:16:03 <Sgeo> Factor I think
20:16:26 <cheater> like, i want the file to be parsed top to bottom, and then when the main parser sees a keyword that defines new syntax, control is completely given to a new parser defined for that keyword
20:17:08 <cheater> so if the outer language is E, then it has a keyword named runf which runs code in F, and then F could have a keyword called rung, which runs language G
20:17:21 <cheater> and F could also have rune which would run E
20:17:52 <cheater> so, the syntax changes only based on the context
20:18:06 <cheater> that would be cool to write in i bet
20:18:36 <cheater> you could have e.g. a language which is like haskell's IO, then have another language which is just list comprehensions
20:18:57 <cheater> i think it would be very nice.
20:20:52 <Sgeo> cheater, ... Forth's parser is, in some Forths, defined in Forth
20:21:22 <Sgeo> An example implemention of Forth showed comments being implemented.... in Forth. The Forth that it's implementing.
20:21:31 <Sgeo> After that point, comments work. Before that point, they don't.
20:21:48 <Ngevd> Goodnight
20:21:50 <cheater> that is really cool
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20:21:53 <cheater> i should check out forth
20:22:05 <cheater> maybe one day we'll have forthskell
20:22:10 <Sgeo> The example I was thinking of is Jonesforth
20:22:16 <Sgeo> cheater, they're practically opposites.
20:22:23 <cheater> yeah i realize!
20:23:31 <Sgeo> http://git.annexia.org/?p=jonesforth.git;a=blob;f=jonesforth.S;h=45e6e854a5d2a4c3f26af264dfce56379d401425;hb=HEAD then http://git.annexia.org/?p=jonesforth.git;a=blob;f=jonesforth.f;h=5c1309574ae1165195a43250c19c822ab8681671;hb=HEAD
20:23:39 <Sgeo> The first is assembly, the second is Forth
20:23:41 <nortti> cheater: I recommend learning forth. It is very instersting and unique
20:24:15 <cheater> yeah you guys got me hooked
20:24:41 <Sgeo> It was mostly me
20:27:37 <cheater> yeah nortti did a nice sidekicking support there but the prize goes to Sgeo
20:27:44 <cheater> thanks Sgeo you make this channel so much cooler
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20:35:08 <elliott> hi
20:35:14 <elliott> bye
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20:38:05 <elliott> bye
20:38:08 <elliott> i mean
20:38:08 <elliott> hi
20:46:44 <ais523> elliott: trying to sort out some DNS issues
20:47:08 <elliott> hmm, you don't normally use virginmedia on weekdays, do you?
20:47:12 <ais523> virgin media's DNS didn't even have the number for Google, although it seemed to be missing not all of the websites, about half
20:47:21 <ais523> and I use it when not at work
20:47:29 <elliott> you're ever not at work? :)
20:48:51 <ais523> I'm usually not at work :)
20:49:01 <ais523> especially during exam season
20:49:16 <ais523> now, more confusing, eternal-september wasn't in level3's DNS either, but was in Google's
20:49:29 <ais523> so I'm on Google's DNS for the time being, and wondering what's up with the DNSes at the moment
20:50:13 <ais523> elliott: could you run "dig @ news.eternal-september.org" and "dig @ news.eternal-september.org" to confirm I'm not going crazy?
20:50:28 <elliott> no result for former
20:50:29 <elliott> result for latter
20:50:38 <elliott> maybe Verizon are sick of non-customers using their DNS
20:50:49 <ais523> elliott: same result here
20:51:21 <ais523> although, isn't missing every internetsite, it's just missing eternal-september out of the ones I'm trying
20:51:34 <elliott> "internetsite"? seriously?
20:51:49 <ais523> elliott: I almost said "website", but news.eternal-september.org /isn't/ a website
20:51:52 <ais523> so I wasn't sure what to call it
20:52:12 <elliott> well, "domain" is the relevant thing here
20:52:14 <elliott> but at least "internet site"
20:52:38 <ais523> right, "domain"
20:53:17 <elliott> Gregor: I still can't believe freshmeat renamed.
20:53:22 <elliott> What's WITH that???
20:53:36 <elliott> ais523: hmm, OpenOffice became an Apache project?
20:53:53 <elliott> why would Apache want to compete with LibreOffice?
20:54:17 <ais523> they wouldn't, it's just that they're who Oracle donated it to
20:54:27 <ais523> I'm not convinced they're even trying to maintain it
20:54:27 <elliott> are they going to merge it, then?
20:54:38 <elliott> well, there's a new release, with new features
20:54:45 <ais523> ah
20:54:55 <elliott> and a stupid slashdot comment to match
20:56:33 <elliott> monqy: your axiom is dying
20:57:04 <nortti> elliott: what axiom
20:57:12 <elliott> you're
20:58:57 <elliott> 21:58 <Ragdoll> it sounded pretty absurd
20:59:06 <elliott> monqy: ##crawl hasn't seen what i've seen :'(
20:59:10 <elliott> *:')
21:01:15 <ais523> what axiom?
21:01:36 <elliott> ais523: you're
21:01:48 <elliott> ais523: you missed a squarelos game btw
21:01:51 <ais523> ah, OK
21:01:57 <ais523> and a squarelos game of what?
21:02:03 <elliott> crawl
21:02:17 <monqy> I was just demonstrating option randomisation
21:02:29 <elliott> you were also demonstrating dying in the usual manner!!!
21:02:34 <monqy> yes
21:02:34 <elliott> its a full experience
21:02:42 <ais523> "option randomisation"?
21:02:44 <ais523> oh dear
21:02:50 <elliott> monqy: ok you have to go again
21:02:55 <elliott> ais523 is
21:02:59 <elliott> "sufering"
21:03:07 <elliott> "the squarelos duty"
21:03:11 <monqy> oh i have to play aghain?
21:03:14 <elliott> yes
21:03:15 <elliott> ais523: it's on cdo
21:04:14 <elliott> Viewers: 1 :'(
21:04:19 <monqy> is that you
21:04:21 <elliott> yes
21:04:51 <elliott> ais523: hi
21:05:08 <ais523> elliott: but now I've discovered Brogue, I have no reason to play or even watch Crawl
21:05:16 <elliott> ais523: squarelos is not "Crawl"
21:05:16 <ais523> I reached dlvl 15 in Brogue today, btw
21:05:23 <elliott> squarelos is just squarelos
21:05:28 <elliott> wait, monqy
21:05:31 <elliott> your language randomisation broke?
21:05:34 <monqy> no
21:05:39 <ais523> using a staff character based around firebolt and conjuration
21:05:40 <elliott> what's up with
21:05:44 <elliott> ais523: congrats
21:05:46 <elliott> monqy: the screen then
21:06:00 <ais523> I mostly died because I didn't get enough ID to identify the firebolt staff, so it ran out of charges at a bad time
21:06:05 <elliott> ais523: btw, squarelos games are about 10x faster than Crawl usually is, so you won't get bored :P
21:06:39 <monqy> elliott: language just doesn't get set until after those messages print
21:06:45 <elliott> monqy: ah
21:07:44 <elliott> ais523: are you not going to watch :'( (we'ere waiting for you)
21:08:05 <ais523> elliott: I'm not interested in Crawl, and I'm less interested in Crawl modded to be stupider than usual
21:08:13 <elliott> ais523: this isn't modded crawl!
21:08:14 <elliott> this is stock crwal
21:08:18 <elliott> *crawl
21:08:20 <elliott> this isn't monqys-crawl
21:08:24 <ais523> it's with an option file designed to make it stupid
21:08:32 <elliott> monqy: im offended
21:08:37 <monqy> elliott: im offended
21:08:45 <elliott> ais523: you dont even know what squarelos is like!!!
21:08:56 <elliott> yo'ure judgineg
21:08:57 <monqy> im dishaertnd
21:08:59 <monqy> "not playeing"
21:09:12 <elliott> ais523: you just made monqy quit his game!!!!!!!
21:09:15 <elliott> everything is ruinede
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21:10:07 <elliott> <bold>everything</bold
21:10:08 <elliott> >
21:10:09 <elliott> <bold>
21:10:15 <elliott> there is no regular text any more
21:11:34 <Lumpio-> </bold>
21:11:35 <Lumpio-> You sure?
21:11:42 <elliott> no it cant be utnred off
21:11:46 <elliott> thats just the word </bold
21:11:47 <elliott> >
21:13:31 <elliott> <Nomi> wow, why is pain so good
21:13:32 <elliott> why indeed
21:13:49 <elliott> monqy: is it secret that ive played monqys-crawl
21:14:01 <monqy> elliott: do you want it to be
21:14:05 <elliott> not really
21:14:11 <monqy> ok you can spoil it
21:14:14 <monqy> and talk about
21:14:17 <monqy> "the experience"
21:14:18 <elliott> i don't have anything
21:14:20 <elliott> to spoil it with really
21:14:25 <monqy> words
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21:14:54 <elliott> ive spoiled with words and punctuation
21:15:03 <monqy> wow, punktuation
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21:22:11 <elliott> monqy: am i the second person to play monqys-crawl (am i special)
21:22:20 <elliott> also http://www.brandcrowd.com/logo-design/details/22830
21:22:34 <elliott> It's time for Times New Roman to show its wild side.
21:22:35 <monqy> you are the second person
21:22:53 <elliott> special :')
21:23:04 <elliott> monqy: i had an idea
21:23:05 <elliott> wrt
21:23:09 <elliott> going downstairs not being very fun
21:23:20 <monqy> what do you mean not being very fun1!
21:23:22 <elliott> you could make downstairs always lead to somewhere with your back to the wall
21:23:31 <elliott> monqy: it's kind of repetitive getting crowded all the time!!!
21:23:47 <monqy> monster spawn changes will fix that!!
21:24:16 <elliott> monqy: nooo you'll ruin it
21:24:26 <elliott> what fun would monqys-crawl be if it was just like a 24x24 section of a regular crawl level
21:24:40 <elliott> ok i guess they could spawn in waves rather than all at once
21:24:43 <monqy> what
21:24:43 <elliott> or something
21:24:49 <monqy> i didn't say what changes i was making
21:24:54 <elliott> well
21:24:58 <elliott> i assumed they involved decreasing the spawns
21:25:13 <monqy> they'd decrease the crap spawns, and increase difficult spawns if necessary
21:25:29 <monqy> probably some ood rate increases
21:25:31 <elliott> that'll make getting surrounded be worse!!!
21:25:37 <elliott> btw what are you going to do to zot if you have
21:25:37 <elliott> plans
21:25:43 <monqy> but there will be fewer crap spawns so you won't be as surrounded!!
21:25:46 <monqy> no plans
21:25:59 <monqy> probably make an encompass vault for each level or something
21:25:59 <elliott> you should make there be 27 levels of zot that would be gr8
21:26:03 <monqy> gr8
21:26:07 <monqy> 27 levels for each branche
21:26:18 <elliott> yes
21:26:37 <elliott> 27 orbs of zot
21:26:58 <elliott> monqy: problem with surround vault:
21:27:03 <elliott> no place for monqys to get in the way
21:27:05 <elliott> *no space
21:27:11 <monqy> what
21:27:18 <monqy> encompass vault is a technical term
21:27:18 <elliott> you know
21:27:21 <elliott> monqys
21:27:22 <elliott> oh encompass
21:27:23 <elliott> i thought you said
21:27:24 <monqy> for a vault that takes up the whole level
21:27:26 <elliott> surround
21:27:31 <elliott> sorry i
21:27:33 <elliott> actually completely misread your line
21:27:35 <elliott> oops :'(
21:27:36 <monqy> oops
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21:31:35 <elliott> monqy: btw
21:31:37 <elliott> maybe it's worth
21:31:50 <elliott> upping the max size of a level, just so that the average level isn't so tiny
21:31:57 <elliott> a bunch of them don't reach 24x24
21:32:36 <monqy> i think it's fine as-is
21:32:42 <monqy> 24x24 is pretty big
21:32:55 <monqy> so smaller is fine
21:33:26 <elliott> you have weird level size opinions!!!
21:34:52 <elliott> monqy: i wish crawl just like
21:34:57 <elliott> smushed levels when they got too big rather than crashing
21:35:06 <elliott> so you could go down to e.g. Orc:4 and it'd be complete chaos
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21:40:13 <elliott> "The most important work is the
21:40:13 <elliott> category-extras package, which provides a very rich library indeed, including the famous zygohistoprepromorphism."
21:40:25 <elliott> dons, you wrote that 7 hours ago, there's no way you can't have noticed it's a big page saying it's obsolete!
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21:41:18 <elliott> he also
21:41:27 <elliott> pasted in the dependency graph for the split-up category extras
21:41:36 <elliott> alongside other graphs from other packages that were typeclass graphs instead
21:41:48 <elliott> i think dons writes SO answers like monqy plays crawl
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21:44:05 <elliott> monqy: efreets are like ferrets right
21:44:10 <monqy> yes
21:44:16 <elliott> thought so
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21:48:23 <elliott> "This seems to be getting on peoples nerves, but I honestly don't understand why, because no one is laying it straight for me. Is this what being married feels like?" ~~~~~~ drb226
21:50:41 <elliott> "Really hurt your butterflies?" d'awww
21:50:56 <monqy> wgat;s tghis
21:51:06 <elliott> monqy: footv
21:51:09 <elliott> crawl said that
21:51:19 <monqy> esplat?
21:51:26 <elliott> 22:49 <Siveran> !lg * cv~~0.1. dam=1 xl=27 ktyp=acid -tv
21:51:26 <elliott> 22:49 <Sequell> 1. Nevar, XL27 NaFi, T:113031 requested for FooTV.
21:51:33 <monqy> ah, not esplat
21:51:35 <elliott> i dont' even know wha tthe differences betwene hte splats are :'(
21:51:54 <elliott> tsplat esplat what's the difference "i sure as heck don't know"
21:52:08 <monqy> csplat is the old crawl version of splat tv that used to run on termcast but not anymore
21:52:30 <monqy> tsplat is when you use the sequell command in the {tsplat} learndb entry
21:52:35 <elliott> i know that
21:52:36 <elliott> but
21:52:36 <monqy> esplat is when you use the sequell command in the {esplat} learndb entry
21:52:40 <elliott> what's the differecen ebteween the two commands!!!!
21:53:03 <monqy> tsplat is 0.10+ tiles nonconstriction splats, esplat is 0.10+ nonhugeterm nonconstriction splats
21:53:13 <monqy> with the additional constraints that:
21:53:22 <monqy> * they've never been watched on footv before (ntv=0)
21:53:26 <monqy> * I forget the other constraint
21:53:27 <monqy> *drat
21:53:36 <elliott> esplat mentions tiles to
21:53:38 <elliott> *too
21:53:40 <monqy> * oh right it picks the game with max xl
21:53:48 <monqy> * tiles guarantees nonhugeterm
21:53:55 <elliott> ok but
21:53:57 <elliott> it actually has tiles
21:53:59 <elliott> in the expression
21:54:01 <monqy> yes
21:54:04 <elliott> 22:54 <Henzell> esplat[1/1]: !lg * ((tiles || !@hugeterm)) cv~~0.1. ntv=0 ktyp!=quitting|leaving|winning killer!=tentacled monstrosity|greater naga|naga warrior max=xl -tv
21:54:04 <monqy> it's disjuncted with
21:54:08 <monqy> !@hugeterm
21:54:13 <elliott> isn't that redundant
21:54:15 <monqy> no
21:54:23 <monqy> !@hugeterm looks at a !nick mapping
21:54:25 <elliott> but "tiles guaranteed nonhugeterm" -- monqy, 2012
21:54:25 <elliott> oh
21:54:27 <elliott> ok
21:54:34 <elliott> but
21:54:38 <monqy> which is only a partial list that ##crawl maintains when it finds awful hugeterms
21:54:40 <elliott> are any tiles players in !@hugeterm
21:54:46 <elliott> erm
21:54:46 <monqy> idk
21:54:48 <elliott> in @hugeterm
21:54:50 <monqy> idk
21:54:51 <elliott> would seem kinda weird!!!
21:54:59 <elliott> monqy: i saw someone using 80x25 get added to hugeterm the other day
21:55:03 <elliott> felt like injustice !!!
21:55:15 <monqy> 80x25 screws up the display a bit but not too much usually
21:55:20 <monqy> screws it up more if they use small_more
21:55:27 <monqy> I like small_more but I use 80x24
21:55:43 <elliott> i cant really hate on 80x25 because it's traditional too what with dos and all
21:56:34 <Sgeo> added to hugeterm?
21:56:34 <monqy> i don't hate on terminal sizes for the sake of them being big, i hate on them since it makes games unpleasant to watch and they mess up tv
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21:56:44 <monqy> 80x25 isn't so bad to watch on cao cdo etc but
21:56:50 <Sgeo> monqy, isn't that why everyone hates hugeterm?
21:56:55 <monqy> Sgeo: yes
21:57:10 <elliott> Sgeo: the bots have a list of hugeterm players
21:57:10 <monqy> just clarifying that i'm not senseless bigbashing!
21:57:32 <elliott> monqy: technically it doesn't make them unpleasant to watch if you use bigterm!!!
21:57:47 <monqy> yes it does
21:57:51 <monqy> using bigterm is unpleasant
21:57:56 <monqy> takes up so much of my screen, man
21:57:58 <elliott> 22:56 <monqy> i don't hate on terminal sizes for the sake of them being big, i hate on them since it makes games unpleasant to watch and they mess up tv
21:58:01 <elliott> "a contradicte"
21:58:07 <monqy> not a contradicte eliot
21:58:42 <elliott> :'(
21:58:57 <Sgeo> Would be cool if roguelikes somehow adjusted for the discrepency
21:58:59 <elliott> monqy: ar eyou
21:59:01 <elliott> CONTRADICTING me
21:59:04 <elliott> ; )
21:59:05 <monqy> :>
21:59:11 <monqy> Sgeo: what
21:59:33 <Sgeo> monqy, instead of trying to push out exactly what's being displayed, recalculate it
21:59:41 <Sgeo> (push out to watchers)
22:00:27 <elliott> isn't that just called
22:00:33 <elliott> "using a protocol other than tercmasting"
22:02:59 <elliott> *tercmasting
22:03:13 <elliott> monqy: what does cv~~0.1. do
22:04:09 <monqy> cv is the class of version or condensed version or something like that. basically it's like 0.10 or 0.10-a or 0.11 or 0.11-a or something. the version number and then -a if it's prerelease
22:05:03 <elliott> so complicated :(
22:05:15 <elliott> apocalypserobin must have been great fun to be a part of
22:05:18 <elliott> "great fun"
22:05:19 <monqy> so that thing right htere is to restrict the version to things greater than 0.10-a
22:05:29 <monqy> since sequell doesn't have proper version comparisons
22:05:35 <monqy> just lexicographic string comparison
22:05:42 <monqy> which got screwed up come 0.10-a
22:05:49 <elliott> oops
22:05:55 <monqy> er
22:05:59 <monqy> greater than or equal to 0.10-a
22:06:36 <elliott> i wonder how apocalypserobin handled hunger
22:06:41 <elliott> oh vampire i guess "in some way i don't understand"
22:07:10 <monqy> vampuires have speical hunger
22:07:24 <elliott> i know, but don't you still need blotions of pood
22:07:27 <elliott> *botions of plood
22:08:35 <monqy> depends on what you mean by need
22:09:02 <elliott> to not
22:09:03 <elliott> die
22:10:54 <monqy> strictly? no
22:10:57 <monqy> vampires don't starve
22:11:11 <monqy> they go bloodless, at which point they have full undead resists and don't regenerate naturally
22:11:37 <elliott> that would explain why it could just spend a year in the temple then
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22:16:33 <elliott> @tell monqy How do I use @ask?
22:16:33 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
22:17:52 <monqy> @messages
22:17:52 <lambdabot> elliott said 1m 19s ago: How do I use @ask?
22:18:04 <Gregor> @ask Gregor Am I allowed to @ask myself?
22:18:04 <lambdabot> You can tell yourself!
22:18:36 <elliott> You can tell yourself, but can you ask yourself?
22:18:45 <elliott> @tell lambdabot You can tell yourself, but can you ask yourself?
22:18:45 <lambdabot> Nice try ;)
22:19:00 <Sgeo> @tell that I said hi
22:19:00 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
22:19:03 <Sgeo> o.O
22:19:18 <Sgeo> Well, that's not leaving the message queue anytime soon
22:19:27 <monqy> why not?
22:19:41 <Sgeo> monqy, can you nick to ?
22:19:46 -!- elliott has changed nick to that.
22:19:49 <that> @messages?
22:19:49 <lambdabot> Sorry, no messages today.
22:19:54 -!- that has changed nick to elliott.
22:19:58 <elliott> you broke it
22:20:01 <monqy> I can't read that character sgeo
22:20:03 <monqy> what is it
22:20:06 <monqy> or that characters
22:20:10 <Sgeo> It's whatever it is that happens with Ctrl-O
22:20:14 <Sgeo> In XChat
22:20:25 <elliott> 23:20 <elliott> @print-notices
22:20:25 <elliott> 23:20 <lambdabot> fromList [("\SI",(Nothing,[Note {noteSender = "Sgeo", noteContents = "that I said hi", noteTime = (1336513878,173020000000), noteType = Tell}])),[…]
22:20:27 <elliott> congrates Sgeo
22:20:50 <Sgeo> \SI?
22:20:56 <monqy> \SI.
22:21:05 <elliott> Si, \SI.
22:21:09 <elliott> how do you spell si
22:21:15 <elliott> it has a fancy accent right
22:21:25 <Sgeo> si without fancy accent is if
22:21:27 <Sgeo> iirc
22:24:00 <monqy>
22:24:29 <elliott> thanskfs monqy you're the greatest
22:24:38 <Sgeo> Does s mean yes or no?
22:24:46 <Sgeo> Wait, oops
22:24:50 <monqy> sometimes
22:24:55 <elliott> it means both
22:24:56 <Sgeo> Does s mean yes?
22:25:06 <monqy> except when it means no
22:25:15 <Sgeo> Dangit, you know what I was trying to set up
22:25:23 <elliott> dangit
22:25:32 <monqy> dan
22:25:35 <elliott> git
22:26:46 <elliott> monqy: hi
22:27:20 <monqy> hello
22:27:34 <elliott> :(
22:32:47 <elliott> too much sadness.
22:34:14 <elliott> ok monqy. ok
22:34:23 <monqy> hi??
22:34:29 <elliott> ( it is acceptable )
22:35:08 <elliott> monqy: dont worry!
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22:39:09 <elliott> monqy: who invented ##crawl
22:39:14 <elliott> was it aliens : /
22:39:49 <monqy> chanserv says the founder's rax
22:40:01 <elliott> " sounds like aliens to me "
22:40:05 <elliott> i meant invent in a more fundamental sense but
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23:44:38 <elliottc> monqy: how much better is minor destruction than a dart anyway
23:44:45 <elliottc> it never seems to do much (not that darts do either)
23:44:57 <monqy> are you training invo? I forget.
23:45:07 <elliottc> ive just started "not even worshipping makhleb yet"
23:45:12 <monqy> oh
23:45:44 <monqy> a big plus of minor destruction over darts: you dont have to lug darts around or pick them up or otherwise manage them
23:46:00 <elliottc> i use them rarely so
23:46:06 <elliottc> the losing hp thing is kind of annoying since
23:46:11 <elliottc> the prime use for them is annoying stuff that takes off lots of hp
23:46:16 <elliottc> erm
23:46:17 <elliottc> them as in
23:46:18 <elliottc> ranged stuff
23:46:19 <elliottc> for me
23:46:48 <elliottc> almost tried to go upstairs before going downstairs there to avoid a segfault
23:47:42 <monqy> the hp loss from minor destruction is negligible
23:48:03 <monqy> and it's mostly useful for finishing of fleeing things
23:48:28 <elliottc> gnoooooooooooolle
23:51:45 <elliottc> 00:51 <Henzell> guardian spirit[1/1]: While wearing this amulet, damage you take is divided proportionately between MP and HP. Reduces magic to 0 on wearing. Note that a Deep Dwarf wearing this does not regain mana naturally.
23:51:48 <elliottc> well that's useless
23:51:51 <elliottc> unless i u
23:51:56 <elliottc> *uh
23:51:56 <elliottc> get a ring of magic or something
23:53:26 <monqy> how is it useless
23:53:38 <elliottc> i had
23:53:39 <elliottc> ~0 mp
23:53:41 <monqy> invocations skill gives you mp but makhleb invocations don't use mp
23:53:50 <elliottc> oh does it
23:53:50 <monqy> so it's like free hp
23:54:00 <elliottc> good thing i died before realising that!
23:54:01 <monqy> assuming you don't have a better amulet
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23:54:04 <monqy> or other uses for mp
23:55:16 <elliottc> ugh i
23:55:20 <elliottc> forgot i can't potion of mutation
23:55:29 <elliottc> how annoying
23:58:56 <elliottc> uhhhh
23:59:03 <elliottc> am i seriously dying to a hobgoblin in front of sigmund
23:59:38 <elliottc> answer: no
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