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00:13:36 <Gregor> gimcrack (n). Definition: gewgaw
00:13:38 <Gregor> Gee, thanks.
00:14:03 <ion> gewgaw (n). Definition: gimcrack
00:14:25 <Gregor> Yeah, I'll bet
00:25:59 <Gregor> Oh god I can still smell make it stop
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00:29:26 <elliott> Gregor: Try milk.
00:32:52 <Gregor> elliott: I haven't got any.
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01:30:47 <quintopia> Gregor: what's this about doodads?
01:31:11 <Gregor> quintopia: I was just curious about curios.
01:32:16 <quintopia> Joanie loves tchotchkes
01:45:10 <zzo38> In Dungeons&Dragons game, I have used a few methods to determine my location when it was unknown (as well as confirm that we have not been time-warped); some by magic, and some by astronomy.
01:46:28 <zzo38> Now I have a plan except determining what to tell to the chancellor
01:52:38 <zzo38> Here is one idea of D&D spell: Level: Clr 0, Drd 0, Sor/Wiz 0 Casting time: Immediate Range: 10 ft Duration: 1 round/level or until discharged (D) Target: One creature Save: Will negates Resist: Yes Components: V, S, XP
01:53:56 <zzo38> If the target of this spell is targeted by a 9th or higher level spell in the duration of this spell, this spell becomes discharged, the other spell is canceled, and target takes 1 point of damage and so does the caster of other spell. This spell fails if target has used magic in past 5 rounds, and is canceled if target uses magic during this spell's duration. XP cost: 1 XP.
02:17:18 <zzo38> I have a list of strategies for mahjong which consists of jokes as well as things that aren't related to mahjong. Including: "Always remember what your tiles look like, in case of sudden blindness." and "Do not discard tiles nobody has discarded, or that anybody has discarded early, mid, or late game. If possible you can consider not discarding at all. But it's a double-edged sword. I can't recommend this to amateurs."
02:24:01 <zzo38> "Never choose scissors, unless the other guy chooses paper." Does this mean that Urbanus Defense and stalemates are not effective if you choose scissors?
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02:36:38 <shachaf> zzo38: Have you ever played Double Fanucci?
02:37:08 <zzo38> shachaf: No, I have never done so.
02:37:15 <shachaf> Pity.
02:37:41 <shachaf> "Three undertrumps after an opponent's discard of a Trebled Fromp is an indefensible gambit, and is the only known way to win at Double Fanucci."
02:38:02 <zzo38> shachaf: I know that already.
02:38:15 <shachaf> zzo38: Did you ever play _Zork Zero_?
02:38:21 <zzo38> No
02:38:27 <shachaf> You should!
02:38:37 <shachaf> One of the legal moves in Double Fanucci is "Cheat", I believe.
02:38:44 <zzo38> I do not have a copy of this game
02:39:07 <zzo38> However I would like to have a Fanucci deck, as well as a tarot deck
02:39:55 <shachaf> zzo38: You should acquire a copy of Zork Zero and play it!
02:40:40 <zzo38> Would it run in Frotz?
02:43:07 <shachaf> I think so?
02:43:13 <shachaf> I believe I ran it in WinFrotz.
02:43:26 <shachaf> It was a .zip file.
02:43:29 <shachaf> Z-code Version 6?
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04:25:23 <zzo38> "dvilj < paper.dvi | lp" doesn't work; you need to specify "dvilj - < paper.dvi | lp" to get your document to print. Why did they make it like that?
04:27:50 <zzo38> Do you have any tarot deck, Fanucci deck, flower card (hanafuda) deck, etc?
04:28:25 <zzo38> I own a Japanese flower card deck made by Nintendo.
04:55:55 <Sgeo> elliott, monqy UPDATE
04:56:09 <elliott> monqy
04:56:11 <elliott> only gets worse over time
04:56:53 <monqy> hi
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04:58:20 <elliott> hi
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05:20:58 <Sgeo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ORiOYOH3NI4 hey, graphic quality that I'm used to!
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05:59:19 <zzo38> Which feature should I implement next for Internet Quiz Engine? * Timer/time limits * Synchronet module * Printout * Text entry questions * Other (please specify)
06:00:39 <shachaf> zzo38: * Other (please specify)
06:01:00 <zzo38> shachaf: OK. Please specify.
06:01:21 <shachaf> zzo38: Oh, I thought that option was me asking *you* to specify.
06:01:32 <shachaf> In that case I want * Synchronet module
06:02:26 <zzo38> OK. I think it is possible to write Synchronet modules in Javascript, although C and so on can also be used
06:03:03 <shachaf> I don't know what a * Synchronet module is.
06:03:07 <shachaf> But it sounds fancy.
06:04:27 <zzo38> I mean a door program for Synchronet BBS
06:10:55 <zzo38> Please learn what it is before answering!
06:14:57 <Kray> * Other (Skynet)
06:25:21 <zzo38> What is this Skynet?
06:31:31 <zzo38> Synchronet includes a telnet server, rlogin server, FTP server, HTTP server, gopher server, SMTP server, POP3 server, NNTP server, and IRC server; external door programs can be native programs, Javascript programs, and DOS programs (regardless of what operating system Synchronet is running on); connects to DOVE-Net and FidoNet; and even some more things.....
06:32:52 <shachaf> zzo38: Why do you like Gopher so much?
06:32:55 <shachaf> No one uses it.
06:33:01 <shachaf> Even Firefox doesn't support it anymore.
06:34:23 <zzo38> Some people use it. And, there are extensions for Firefox to support it (which works better than what Firefox used to have, too)
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06:46:03 <Sgeo> Skynet is a reference to a fictional computer (network?). It was evil, or something
06:46:18 <Sgeo> I should actually watch or something
06:48:29 <elliott> thanks
06:53:27 <quintopia> zzo38: why do you use a protocol that requires extra effort to be able to use, and is used by such a very small minority of people in the world?
06:58:47 <zzo38> It doesn't require extra effort.
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07:02:19 <elliott> hi ais523
07:03:01 <ais523> hi
07:03:15 <shachaf> hi ais523
07:04:02 <ais523> hi shachaf
07:07:20 <quintopia> zzo38: it requires you to install a plugin
07:11:38 <Sgeo> I once pondered the possibility of storing static webpages as about: URLs, distributed via .reg files that would install a shorter about: URL as a pointer to the larger about: URL
07:11:54 <Sgeo> (I was a kid)
07:12:36 <monqy> good ponder
07:13:23 <Sgeo> I was scared of web hosting.
07:13:36 <Sgeo> It seemed to cost money. Clearly, distributing .reg files would be free, or something
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07:43:08 <elliott> http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ neat
07:44:15 <elliott> you're all going to miss it !!!
07:44:49 <monqy> im watch
07:45:23 <elliott> monqy: did you miss the lift-off!!!
07:45:28 <monqy> no i saw it
07:45:31 <elliott> good
07:45:31 <monqy> the countdown too
07:45:37 <elliott> it was a good countdown
07:45:39 <elliott> lots of time passing
07:45:41 <elliott> lots of times
07:46:13 <elliott> i like the camera attached to it
07:46:29 <elliott> at least i'm assuming that's what it is
07:46:51 <elliott> ha
07:46:53 <elliott> look at that camera go
07:47:29 <elliott> ok a camera burning up is the coolest-looking thing
07:47:38 <elliott> actually i guess it's not burning up
07:47:43 <elliott> but it's going messy!!!
07:48:18 <monqy> rocket xcitement
07:48:27 <elliott> that thing looks hot!!!
07:48:33 <elliott> be careful camera
07:48:55 <elliott> it sure is quiet in space
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07:50:52 <elliott> i think something's about to happen!!!!
07:50:58 <elliott> rocket xcitement levels: doubled
07:52:15 <zzo38> quintopia: Well, you can install various programs are available. But anything on the computer require installing a plugin unless included with operating system. With Windows, you need to install a program to use Firefox and wget too; with Linux both programs are included by default.
07:52:44 <elliott> ok something didn't happen
07:52:46 <elliott> but it's still xciting
07:53:30 <elliott> oohh
07:53:31 <elliott> monqy: prettey
07:53:33 <monqy> wohoa,
07:53:38 <monqy> what's that!!
07:53:57 <elliott> it's
07:53:58 <elliott> space
07:53:59 <elliott> nebulas
07:54:08 <elliott> like in star trek!
07:54:28 <monqy> whpaoaoaooaoa
07:54:34 <monqy> did you see that
07:54:45 <elliott> yes
07:54:46 <elliott> where is the camera
07:54:49 <elliott> is it floating in space :(
07:55:04 <elliott> oh good it's not
07:55:05 <elliott> help
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07:55:13 <monqy> cameraaaaaaa
07:55:18 <elliott> nice abstract art
07:55:27 <elliott> wow it's freaking out!
07:55:55 <elliott> camera pls cooperate
07:56:51 <elliott> rocket are you ok
07:57:03 <monqy> this is a great moment
07:57:08 <elliott> monqy: did you see the spacex logo melting
07:57:13 <elliott> when it was awaiting downlink thingy
07:57:14 <monqy> ye
07:57:17 <elliott> that was beautiful
07:57:21 <elliott> video compression is wonderful
07:57:33 <elliott> rocket are you melting
07:57:45 <elliott> are you ok!!!
07:57:56 <elliott> no i don't want to see maps show me camera
07:58:57 <monqy> happy
07:59:30 <elliott> are these people rockets
07:59:41 <monqy> are you a rocket
07:59:42 <monqy> am i a rocket
07:59:43 <elliott> oh wow i didn't expect presenters
07:59:47 <elliott> this is amazing
08:00:46 <elliott> nice musak
08:00:48 <monqy> space muzik
08:00:49 <monqy> ye
08:01:01 <monqy> is this what space sounds like
08:01:14 <monqy> awwww
08:01:18 <elliott> aww
08:01:19 <elliott> what's aww
08:01:25 <monqy> SpaceX Our live webcast is now complete. Thanks for tuning in. #DragonLaunch
08:01:31 <elliott> what !
08:01:39 <elliott> ok but
08:01:43 <elliott> they'll be back later right??? :'(
08:01:49 <monqy> i dont know :[
08:01:56 <elliott> mmm i'm going to keep tuned in
08:01:58 <elliott> for this space muzak
08:02:00 <elliott> noooo
08:02:02 <elliott> it stopped
08:02:04 <elliott> nooooooooooooooo
08:02:10 <elliott> i finally understand the harsh reality of space
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08:49:42 <elliott> oh man
08:49:52 <elliott> crawl's tilegen stuff pops up one thing in my dock for each tile
08:49:53 <elliott> it's like a dance
08:50:57 <quintopia> dock?
08:51:05 <quintopia> what desktop thing you using
08:51:13 <elliott> OS X, temporarily.
08:53:46 <quintopia> :/
09:09:52 <zzo38> What is a "10 point must system"?
09:11:36 <elliott> hmm
09:25:59 <Sgeo> "We may be stupid, but we're not clever"
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09:28:35 <zzo38> Whose quotation is that?
09:32:05 <Sgeo> It's from A Bit of Fry and Laurie
09:32:06 <Sgeo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8ESoNgdR8E
09:32:26 <Sgeo> Around 4:22
09:33:02 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo: how do you Americans live with your crazy danger plugs
09:33:03 <lambdabot> Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
09:33:15 <Phantom_Hoover> I mean are you immune to electricity
09:33:26 <Sgeo> Danger plugs?
09:34:19 <Phantom_Hoover> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NEMA-AC-Power-Plugs.jpg
09:34:24 <Phantom_Hoover> THE FACE OF ELECTRICAL DEATH
09:36:34 <Sgeo> What's wrong with that?
09:37:23 <Phantom_Hoover> There aren't any insulating sleeves on the blades! You can have live current flowing through exposed conductors centimetres from your hand!
09:38:12 <Sgeo> I think approximately no one grabs the cord by the blandes
09:38:14 <Sgeo> Ever
09:38:44 <Phantom_Hoover> Yes but the plug is so small!
09:38:47 <Sgeo> You'd have to have it sticking half-way in for that to even be possible, really
09:38:57 <Sgeo> Why would a cord be sticking in an outlet halfway in?
09:39:12 <Phantom_Hoover> Also the cable comes out of the back so it could get pulled halfway out!
09:39:22 <Phantom_Hoover> HOW ARE YOU STILL ALIVE
09:40:14 <Sgeo> Hmm, good point
09:40:24 <Sgeo> But, it's really not difficult to not get electrocuted, I think
09:40:42 <Sgeo> Do you have knives where you are? If you misuse those, you can get killed
09:41:08 <Sgeo> (Note: I'm not actually as defensive as I seem, I think)
09:42:06 <Phantom_Hoover> Well obviously, but using one of your crazy plugs is like JUGGLING KNIVES BLINDFOLDED
09:42:16 <Phantom_Hoover> also the blindfold is MADE OF KNIVES
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10:19:23 <zzo38> I was playing Wheel of Fortune on computer and got BANKRUPT three times in a row
10:19:45 <elliott> oops
10:28:45 <fizzie> Is the europlug really that much different? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Europlug2.jpg
10:28:58 <elliott> that has plastic but
10:29:01 <elliott> dear god you poor europeans
10:29:05 <elliott> look
10:29:10 <elliott> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Moulded_and_rewireable_BS_1363_plugs.jpg
10:29:13 <elliott> this is the face of true safety
10:29:57 <elliott> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Three_pin_mains_plug_%28UK%29.svg
10:29:58 <elliott> safety
10:30:15 <fizzie> Yeah, you've got that weirdo built-in fuse thing.
10:30:30 <elliott> the fuse is there for SAFETY
10:30:41 <fizzie> Safety is for WUSSIES.
10:30:45 <elliott> The plug is polarised, so that the fuse is in the line side of the supply. The standard specifies retention force for the contacts, so that the plug is difficult to dislodge by accidental knocks or strains on the flexible cord. The flexible cord always enters the plug from the bottom, discouraging removal by tugging on the cable, which can damage the cable. The internal arrangement of the terminals ensures that if the cable is pulled
10:30:45 <elliott> out of the plug, the line wire breaks first.
10:31:09 <elliott> SAFETY
10:32:09 <fizzie> Most shucko plugs also make a 90-degree angle w.r.t. the pins and the cable direction, though not all do.
10:34:12 <fizzie> Schuko, apparently. Well, anyway, letter order.
10:34:50 <elliott> schkuo
10:36:11 <zzo38> What should I tell to the chancellor to lead him into the trap? (This is the Dungeons&Dragons game)
10:38:51 <fizzie> Schuko plug isn't "polarised", though, so you can plug it in "the wrong way around". There was a hilarious article in one magazine article about how having your devices plugged in the wrong way will make you sick. I think it also involved using a crystal pendulum to get the orientation right.
10:39:54 <zzo38> (The game is really won with words, not with swords.)
10:40:47 <fizzie> http://www.radionuoret.net/images/topseli_vaarinpain.jpg -- sadly, it's a scan so (probably? do they do OCR yet?) no Google Translate for you.
10:40:54 <fizzie> But you can see her doing the pendulum thing.
10:41:09 <fizzie> It's not a crystal pendulum, though.
10:42:06 <fizzie> "When a metal band, for example a symmetric ring, hanging from a string, is brought next to the outlet, it will start swinging if the plug has the wrong orientation", to paraphrase from the body text.
10:43:08 <fizzie> She does not recommend you to go swapping your plugs around unless you know what you're doing, though.
10:47:23 <fizzie> (She's an... "energy therapeut", so she's an expert in these things.)
10:48:27 <elliott> @tell ais523 I cleaned up [[nethackwiki:NetHack 4]]; you're welcome.
10:48:27 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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11:12:46 <elliott> @ask ais523 By the way, what's #tip?
11:12:46 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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11:47:19 <ais523> elliott: NetHack meme: basically it's the only new feature that's not in any of the variants and is confirmed to be in $NEXTVERSION, and it's really minor, and many people think it's ridiculous
11:47:19 <lambdabot> ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
11:47:25 <ais523> @clear-messages
11:47:25 <lambdabot> Messages cleared.
11:47:29 <elliott> ais523: what is that feature?
11:47:37 <ais523> it's a command that lets you tip containers over
11:48:02 <elliott> heh
11:48:04 <elliott> to what effect?
11:49:06 <ais523> the contents fall out
11:49:59 <elliott> that's awesome
11:50:01 <elliott> you should implement it
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14:05:32 <Taneb> Hello
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14:12:19 <elliott> hi
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14:54:02 * Sgeo wonders if Quassel has improved since he last tried it
14:54:16 <Sgeo> 0.8 is out
14:55:37 <ais523> <new Perl error message> "Useless use of \E"
14:55:42 <ais523> they didn't have to phrase it /quite/ like that :)
14:55:59 <nortti> what does \E do?
14:56:20 <Taneb> This is why Perl is fourth on my list of non-esoteric programming languages to learn
14:56:49 <nortti> I thought that perl was esoteric. like java'
14:57:08 <elliott> that reminds me, I was going to delete [[esolang:Java]]
14:57:23 <elliott> but instead I'll tell ais523 to do it
14:57:43 <Taneb> Java's my third for reasons I don't quite know
14:57:56 <ais523> nortti: cancels a preceding directive to lowercase, uppercase, or quote interpolated variables
14:58:14 <elliott> and i will do that now:
14:58:22 <elliott> hey ais523, delete [[esolang:Java]], please
14:58:43 <ais523> elliott: I was already doing it
14:58:53 <elliott> thanks
14:58:53 <ais523> nortti: the warning happens if you \E without anything for it to cancel
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18:12:00 <Guest28135> Try to check the site of cottages in BALI: www.bebaucottage.comli.com
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18:15:48 <Snowyowl> I have an idea, I want to ask if anyone knows whether it's been done before
18:15:59 <zzo38> Snowyowl: OK please do so
18:16:19 <quintopia> Snowyowl: the answer is yes. someone knows.
18:16:33 <quintopia> perhaps in the very channel!
18:16:37 <quintopia> *this
18:16:47 <Snowyowl> the source code is a 2d maze, probably with some sort of doors and keys system
18:17:03 <Snowyowl> outputs 1 if there is a path through it and 0 if there is not
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18:17:16 <Snowyowl> requires nondeterministic computing to compile
18:17:26 <Snowyowl> or pathfinding or whatever it's called
18:17:32 <Phantom_Hoover> No it doesn't.
18:17:32 <quintopia> well
18:17:44 <quintopia> it depends on what youmean
18:17:47 <Snowyowl> that's as far as I've got
18:17:59 <Snowyowl> what is there that's similar
18:18:05 <quintopia> if the door/key system is in a sense turing-complete
18:18:13 <quintopia> which is to say you can implement xircuits with it
18:18:23 <quintopia> then there is no such decider
18:18:35 <Snowyowl> no fast decider
18:18:42 <quintopia> no
18:18:45 <quintopia> no decider
18:18:53 <Snowyowl> it's finite in size
18:19:13 <quintopia> so then the door/key system must not be TCthen
18:19:18 <Snowyowl> and in state space
18:19:35 <quintopia> then no, i've never heard of anything like it
18:19:45 <Snowyowl> my idea is that every door can be open or closed
18:19:59 <Snowyowl> and keys/switches control them
18:20:26 <Snowyowl> thanks
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18:39:52 <Gregor> HATS
18:40:23 * oerjan wonders if Gregor has a sombrero
18:41:10 <Gregor> "Sombrero" is just Spanish for "hat"
18:41:22 <oerjan> i actually learned that just the other day.
18:41:24 <Gregor> That being said, http://codu.org/hats/Cowpoke-med.jpg.
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18:42:43 <Gregor> (I now finally have a skimmer, which is why I said "HATS")
18:45:28 <oerjan> excellent for steamboat strolling, i assume
18:45:55 <Gregor> Yup
18:51:44 <oerjan> now you just need to get chrome-free tapdancing shoes.
18:52:26 <Gregor> Naw, I'll just swindle ponies out of their cider.
18:55:14 * oerjan assumes that's a MLP reference
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19:00:13 <fizzie> Everything's full of multilayer perceptron references these days.
19:00:32 <oerjan> you'd think
19:09:58 <olsner> multilayer pony
19:09:59 <olsner> my little perceptron
19:12:14 <Gregor> My Little Perceptron: Machine Learning is Magic
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19:21:45 <Ngevd> Hello
19:21:52 <oerjan> evening
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19:22:33 <olsner> morning
19:22:55 <oerjan> olsner: you're not in sweden?
19:23:01 <olsner> of course I am
19:23:28 <oerjan> did sweden suddenly move?
19:24:01 <olsner> it's always moving
19:24:15 <oerjan> ooh
19:24:22 <Taneb> Sweden has rollerskates now
19:27:24 <fizzie> There's that funnyish story about Great Britain moving.
19:27:32 <fizzie> http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/england.htm
19:28:00 <fizzie> Okay, it's kind of pointless.
19:33:35 <fizzie> Maybe more than kind of.
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19:50:39 <fizzie> I, uh... The... I mean, this... there's this Eurovision contest thing, and this one entry is... it's about "social networks".
19:51:09 <Taneb> How's the Eurovision doing?
19:51:10 <oerjan> well that's inevitable, isn't it.
19:51:15 <Taneb> UK sucking as usual?
19:51:17 <fizzie> It's called "The Social Network Song: oh oh uh oh oh".
19:51:29 <fizzie> We don't see you until the finals, I think.
19:51:38 <Taneb> Okay
19:51:44 <fizzie> Aren't you one of the guaranteed-in countries?
19:51:51 <Taneb> I think so?
19:51:58 <oerjan> i don't watch tv, but i read somewhere that the uk's singer is supposedly engelbert humperdinck
19:52:00 <Taneb> I don't really follow it
19:52:05 <Taneb> oerjan, yeah it is
19:52:20 <fizzie> That seems to be the case.
19:52:30 <fizzie> The finals are on Saturday.
19:52:31 <Taneb> I think the Powers That Be thought, "I know what will win it this time! Getting someone who hasn't been popular for 40 years with a silly name!"
19:53:09 <fizzie> Our singer's singi in Swedish.
19:53:10 <oerjan> the silly name was taken from someone else who was dead already then, i read
19:53:19 <oklofok> euro neuro
19:53:24 <fizzie> I suppose they're hoping to get votes from Sweden.
19:53:28 <oklofok> i heard that one
19:53:56 <oerjan> fizzie: might work for norwegians too
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19:54:58 <fizzie> Sweden's song is titled "Euphoria", but I don't know what language they use. It's on the Thursday semifinal, not today.
19:55:44 <olsner> iirc it was english (I should not know this)
19:56:00 <fizzie> As seems to be Norway, with "Stay", by someone called "Tooji".
19:56:24 <fizzie> Denmark's on right at this moment, though.
19:57:22 <oerjan> tooji is a wholesome norwegian youth from pakistan or thereabouts.
19:57:32 <olsner> that social network song was not very good, I'm surprised
19:59:11 <fizzie> Our song included a musician (cellist?) who has lived in Israel earlier, which, according to the announcers of the Finnish TV broadcast, should net us some Israelite votes.
19:59:18 <fizzie> I'm not sure how that works.
19:59:45 <oerjan> i guess shachaf would vote for you if he wasn't in the us.
20:00:23 <Taneb> You guys in Finland, Sweden, and Norway get to be in a sweet voting block
20:00:28 <Taneb> And your entries don't suck
20:00:29 <fizzie> But they also mentioned that Finland and Estonia are the only two countries where the TV broadcast includes (translated) subtitles for the actual songs.
20:00:40 <Taneb> The UK has Ireland and Malta in our block
20:01:04 <oerjan> i thought denmark would be in ours, but maybe they're not participating?
20:01:18 <fizzie> 22:56 < fizzie> Denmark's on right at this moment, though.
20:01:28 <oerjan> ah.
20:01:48 -!- olsner has set topic: ESOTERIC SONG CONTEST | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
20:01:53 <Taneb> Are there any danes or icelanders in this channel?
20:02:22 <oerjan> i think i saw a dane here once. they're surprisingly rare.
20:02:34 <fizzie> Though I'm not sure if voting in these semifinals is restricted to countries in it? In which case this one would have only Finland, Denmark and I guess Iceland, which I missed; and then Norway and Sweden on Thursday.
20:02:42 <oerjan> while the icelanders are rare, unsurprisingly.
20:03:09 <Taneb> Iceland's bigger than Northumberland, and there's at least two Northumbrians here
20:03:19 <oerjan> tru dat
20:04:01 <Taneb> (it's only bigger by about 6000, though)
20:04:18 <fizzie> I don't think Finland has really gotten so many votes from the "block", statistically speaking. I mean, sure, they vote for us more than the overall average, but it's often just a token one point.
20:04:27 <olsner> Taneb: bigger in area or population?
20:04:47 <fizzie> 6000 units bigger in area.
20:05:33 <Taneb> olsner, population
20:06:22 <olsner> if I lived on Iceland I'd probably be too busy running from volcanoes to spend a lot of time on IRC
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20:09:40 <fizzie> Uh... it's Austria and a "tracktor gangsta-rap duo".
20:10:33 <olsner> by austria, do you mean austria, australia or switzerland? :P
20:11:08 <Taneb> Or Sweden?
20:11:34 <fizzie> Australia hasn't historically had a large presence in the eurovision contest, I don't thing.
20:12:11 <olsner> I think Japan should join ESC, they belong in that kind of contest
20:12:24 <oerjan> fizzie: maybe the uk could send assange next year.
20:12:52 <olsner> (or maybe they should rather be in the esoteric song contest)
20:13:08 <kmc> have you seen assange's talk show?
20:13:09 <Taneb> And, for the Australian Entry, here's itidus21!
20:13:15 <kmc> it's pretty interesting / entertaining
20:14:51 <olsner> Taneb: hmm, good point there ... australia <-> austria <-> switzerland <-> sweden
20:15:25 <Taneb> <-> norway <-> denmark?
20:16:00 <olsner> yeah, scandinavia is all the same... and suddenly you're in finland and iceland too
20:16:39 <Taneb> norway <-> netherlands <-> belgium
20:16:57 <olsner> norway and netherlands? not sure
20:17:07 <Taneb> Hmm
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20:17:19 <olsner> belgium and brussels though
20:17:42 <olsner> "which one is the country? both!"
20:18:27 <Taneb> Luxembourg
20:21:01 <olsner> ... austria's is sending (sent?) some people calling themselves "trackshittaz" :S
20:21:07 <oerjan> i didn't hear brussels was a country - yet.
20:21:49 <fizzie> olsner: If our lyric transtions are accurate, the song title means roughly "shake your ass".
20:22:22 <olsner> woki mit deim popo = wookie with your poo poo?
20:24:10 <fizzie> oklofok: I only just now realized what your "euro neuro" was referring to. (I'd missed the three first, but they're doing short recaps now.)
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20:25:49 * oerjan recalls ye olde norwegian hit "rumpa mi" ("my ass")
20:26:22 <oerjan> sorry, *rompa
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20:27:29 <Taneb> I am neither old nor norwegian enough to remember that
20:27:58 <oerjan> the olde is somewhat facetious, i heard it in 2004 or 2006 while up north, i think
20:28:27 <fizzie> Oh hay, Finland had the longest string of "been participating but never won" (1961-2003), but we screwed that up with our 2004 win; now it's Portugal (1964-present).
20:28:56 <Taneb> I thought Finland won in '06?
20:29:00 <olsner> oerjan: heh, cute song
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20:30:38 <fizzie> Taneb: Sorry, yes.
20:31:02 <olsner> oh, lordi!
20:31:04 <fizzie> Misreaded the page.
20:31:11 <Taneb> Lithuania should have won that year.
20:31:22 <Taneb> "We are the winners! Of Eurovision!
20:31:30 <oklofok> euro neuro was so stupid i think i blacked out. i just remember they guy said euro neuro.
20:31:33 <Taneb> Goodnight
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20:32:04 <oklofok> there's another retard singing about how she's gonna win this year
20:32:22 <oklofok> and the song is absolute shit
20:32:27 <fizzie> I was just going to @tell Taneb that.
20:32:36 <oklofok> it's not even catchy in a trivial pop music fashion
20:32:43 <oklofok> it's just stupid
20:33:30 <fizzie> It's got quite a lot of "I'm the best person ever and will win everything" lyrics, not just a single refrain.
20:34:20 <oklofok> luckily my pizza was finished before i heard much
20:35:31 <oklofok> did they say that the euro neuro guy was a mathematician btw? i heard something about a mathematician before it but only paid attention during that word.
20:36:15 <mroman_> olsner: What's austria got to do with switzerland o_O
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20:36:24 <olsner> mroman_: alps
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20:37:02 <mroman_> I see.
20:37:06 <olsner> that and having no discernible difference, except for being different countries (but who keeps track of that?)
20:37:13 <fizzie> oklofok: His stage name is "Rambo Amadeus", which admittedly does sound quite mathematician-like.
20:37:26 <mroman_> There is a huge difference ;)
20:37:44 <mroman_> You're just too far away to notice.
20:37:59 <oklofok> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambo_Amadeus so i guess not
20:38:12 <oklofok> He graduated in tourism studies from the University of Belgrade's Faculty of Mathematics and Natural Sciences.
20:38:13 <olsner> oklofok: which song was the retarded i'm-gonna-win song?
20:38:22 <oklofok> i don't know the name.
20:38:29 <oklofok> a couple of songs after euro neuro
20:39:07 <mroman_> Austrians all speak the same language.
20:39:22 <mroman_> I sorta envy that.
20:39:29 <olsner> they all speak swiss? :P
20:39:31 <fizzie> olsner: That was Latvia's "Beautiful Song".
20:39:39 <mroman_> olsner: No, german ;)
20:41:20 <oklofok> disclaimer: the song may not have been quite as horrible as i implied, i just thought the topic was retarded.
20:41:31 <oklofok> but yeah it certainly wasn't very good.
20:41:39 <olsner> but more seriously, what *is* the difference between austria and switzerland?
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20:41:52 <mroman_> Culture.
20:41:59 <fizzie> olsner: The first letter.
20:42:06 <mroman_> Language.
20:42:09 <olsner> cheese with holes? that's known to be swiss
20:42:14 <fizzie> Also some minor differences.
20:42:23 <mroman_> Like Canada and USA
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20:43:01 <mroman_> olsner: We have cheese with holes, yes.
20:43:02 <olsner> (austria and australia also have different cultures and languages, but they're still the same country)
20:44:25 <olsner> fwiw, swedish cheese has holes too
20:46:04 <mroman_> "Austrians" sounds like a bird species.
20:46:16 <mroman_> "Swiss" sounds like "some guys who produce knives"
20:46:24 <mroman_> .
20:47:24 <olsner> ooh, right, those knives/multitools - and the guards in the vatican are swiss
20:47:32 <olsner> the poor austrians don't seem to have any distinguishing features
20:47:38 <mroman_> :D yes @Schweizergarde
20:48:33 <mroman_> (They carry guns under their clothes)
20:48:39 <mroman_> At least I hope so.
20:49:05 <fizzie> Perhaps they are made of guns.
20:49:05 <mroman_> Else it would literally be "bringing a knife to a gun fight"
20:49:38 <olsner> I guess they could be "australia without the kangaroos" or "the one with the alps but *not* the cheese, the guards in the vatican or the army knives"
20:50:07 <mroman_> australia without the kangoroos sounds perfect.
20:50:21 <oerjan> olsner: austrians have opera
20:51:01 <olsner> opera is much more common in russia or indonesia though
20:51:22 * oerjan swats olsner -----###
20:51:45 <oerjan> i _assume_ that's a pun, because i read austria is #1 on the music version.
20:52:53 <olsner> apparently austria is the one that has vienna
20:54:50 <fizzie> Denmark and Iceland have already been accepted, but we haven't. :/
20:55:07 <fizzie> (Four more to announce.)
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20:57:17 <fizzie> The scary! Only one more.
20:58:13 <olsner> apparently prince Franz Ferdinand von Österreich-Esten, famous for starting the first world war, was austrian too
20:58:28 <olsner> (I was going to say "he was austrian, but ironically his last name is switzerland!" but then I realized)
20:58:38 <fizzie> Oh no, no go for us.
21:01:33 <olsner> also famous for Hitler and Josef Fritz... poor austrians
21:02:19 <oerjan> and wolfgang priklopil.
21:02:30 <olsner> supposedly also famous for apfelstrudel (which I'd vaguely associate with vienna... but who keeps track of where vienna is?) and pez candy
21:03:08 <olsner> also Freud, apparently... but that probably doesn't help them since "everyone" "knows" he was German
21:08:41 <Gregor> And Johann Strauss Jr. *blech*
21:12:35 <mroman_> US > Austria for sure.
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21:12:52 <mroman_> All the famous musicians originated there.
21:13:23 <mroman_> *all good musicians
21:17:49 <mroman_> Ironically most of them were black.
21:18:12 <mroman_> In a dark time.
21:18:12 <kmc> Arnold Schwarzenegger is from Austria
21:18:23 <mroman_> But not a musician?
21:18:25 <kmc> all the good musicians are from the UK
21:18:32 <mroman_> kmc: Like?
21:18:59 <kmc> radiohead
21:19:20 <kmc> muse
21:19:29 <kmc> franz ferdinand von not österreich
21:19:38 <mroman_> That is a Band @radiohead
21:19:41 <kmc> and that's just recent ones
21:20:14 <kmc> beatles, pink floyd, rolling stones, led zeppelin
21:20:21 <kmc> basically the uk owns at music somehow
21:20:52 <mroman_> Ok.
21:21:03 <shachaf> "beatles" would be a good name for a band.
21:21:06 <shachaf> (As kmc would say.)
21:21:22 <kmc> "as kmc would say", as shachaf would say
21:21:33 <kmc> yields falsehood when preceeded by its quotation
21:23:21 <mroman_> Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Nat King Cole, Clark Terry, Robert Johnson, Howlin' Wolf, Lightnin' Hopkins, Muddy Waters, Ray Charles...
21:23:22 <shachaf> "yielding truth when preceded by its quotation would imply that 1=0" yielding truth when preceded by its quotation would imply that 1=0
21:23:31 <oklofok> beatles, pink floyd, rolling stones and led zeppelin are of these odd bands all sucky, trivial music.
21:23:39 <oklofok> the even ones are ok.
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21:25:08 <mroman_> Robert Bell .
21:25:17 <shachaf> I don't know any of these things.
21:26:02 <kmc> shachaf: it's probably because you don't own a TV
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21:27:41 <shachaf> kmc: Probably.
21:27:59 <shachaf> IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
21:28:21 <shachaf> kmc: Have you seen _Rosencrantz And Guildenstern Are Dead_?
21:28:49 <kmc> no
21:28:53 <shachaf> You should!
21:28:55 <shachaf> It's a good play.
21:29:22 <pikhq_> kmc: You neglected Queen. (how dare you)
21:29:43 <kmc> i'll neglect you
21:29:58 <shachaf> pikhq_: Queen Elizabeth II?
21:30:02 <shachaf> I heard of her!
21:30:06 <shachaf> Is she a musician?
21:30:12 <mroman_> She's UK
21:30:15 <mroman_> So she's got to be.
21:30:34 <pikhq_> shachaf: No, no, Her Majesty is not a musician of note.
21:31:02 <pikhq_> Though several of Her subjects are.
21:31:17 <shachaf> "It's the future and Queen Elizabeth III and Queen Elizabeth IV are going to a party held by Queen Elizabeth V. They're keen to make the right impression so it's important that they choose their outfits carefully. Queen Elizabeth III has forty dresses to choose from, where as Queen Elizabeth IV has four thousand. Queen Elizabeth V has just one dress, but it has the ability to transform itself into the shape of any dress."
21:31:39 <pikhq_> :)
21:31:58 <kmc> thachaf
21:32:12 <shachaf> kmc: (I watched that MPEG stream over TCP/IP so it doesn't count as television.)
21:32:22 <kmc> 8=d
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21:45:45 <shachaf> hi FireFly
21:45:47 <shachaf> HireFly
21:45:59 <FireFly> Why, hello
21:46:14 <shachaf> Who are you?
21:46:43 <FireFly> Some random person who happens to be a bit interested in esolangs
21:47:06 <shachaf> And in Haskell and in StackOverflow and in JavaScript?
21:47:10 <shachaf> Coincidence?
21:47:18 <FireFly> Probably
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21:50:59 <shachaf> kmc: Just think of all the exciting Control.Concurrent.Spawn discussions you're missing in #-blah!
21:53:20 <kmc> oh well
21:53:25 <kmc> i did my time
21:54:15 <shachaf> kmc: Well, don't be surprised if you get a GitHub Pull Request!!!!!!!!
21:54:25 <shachaf> "as kmc would say"
21:54:26 <kmc> what's the situation?
21:54:53 <shachaf> I think the idea is that your primitive should be parSequence{,_} instead of parMapM{,_}
21:55:16 <kmc> maybe
21:55:20 <kmc> i also have (|*|) :: IO (a -> b) -> IO a -> IO b
21:56:06 <shachaf> Have you ever used that?
21:56:13 <kmc> sequence = mapM id, right?
21:56:23 <kmc> shachaf: I tested it; I don't remember using it otherwise
21:56:31 <shachaf> mapM = sequence .: map
21:57:06 <kmc> right, building sequence from mapM and building mapM from sequence are about equally difficult
21:57:12 <kmc> which is to say, neither is difficult
21:59:03 <kmc> and I think mapM is the more practically useful one
21:59:10 <kmc> at least, it's the one I use more often
22:00:10 <shachaf> kmc: You should tell Peaker before he wastes his time sending you a pull request!
22:00:14 <shachaf> Or after. Who knows.
22:00:43 <kmc> so i'm inclined to leave it alone, unless there's some additional consideration i'm missing
22:00:46 <kmc> i'll let him make his case :)
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23:40:57 <Sgeo> Why am I learning about Warsow, it's selling point that it heavily promotes is a turn-off for mne
23:40:59 <Sgeo> me
23:43:32 <qfr> Sgeo what selling point would that be
23:43:46 <Sgeo> The whole "Movement is a skill" thing
23:44:06 <Sgeo> "What sets Warow apart from other FPS games
23:44:06 <Sgeo> Focus on movement as a skill with various possibilities of gaining speed and moving throughout levels."
23:45:12 <Sgeo> On the one hand, I like Tremulous, on the other two hands, I hate playing as alien and the community's practically dead
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23:58:12 <shachaf> kmc: UPDATE: Windows people still use "Unicode" to mean "UTF-16".
23:58:19 <kmc> of course :/
23:58:28 <shachaf> I guess that's more of a non-update.
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23:59:59 <kmc> sort of a BREAKING NEWS update
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