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00:04:42 <Sgeo> Is covfefe just the dual of a vfefe?
00:05:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[TEWELSWAC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52030&oldid=52023 * Timtomtoaster * (+245)
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00:15:23 <myname> what the hell even is covfefe
00:17:06 <\oren\> covfefe was a word coined by doland trump last night when he tweeted
00:17:25 <\oren\> Despite the constant negative press covfefe
00:20:11 <oerjan> and PPCG already has a challenge based on it.
00:25:25 <oerjan> a canaiman slipped past our filter, i see. with the same old Marcela Gandera nick
00:26:03 <oerjan> it does seem unlikely it's not the same person, although that _is_ a celebrity around there.
00:27:10 <shachaf> `? canaima
00:27:11 <HackEgo> Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're here.
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00:47:38 <rdococ> yay
00:47:55 <izabera> telnet arin.ga 44444 </spam>
00:55:48 <boily> wut?
00:56:02 <boily> izabellora, rdochelloc.
00:56:57 <izabera> boily: try it!
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01:44:31 <boily> `w
01:44:32 <HackEgo> fact//Facts are lies. They are not there. Go away!
01:44:50 <shachaf> `4 w
01:44:54 <HackEgo> 1/1:pointfree//Pointfree programming sounds better than pointless programming. \ alphabet//Alphabet is a system of writing invented by Google. \ alogl//ALOGL is a logarithmic language. \ braid theory//Braid theory is the extremely twisted theory of braids.
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01:56:49 <zzo38> izabera: I tried it
01:56:59 <izabera> did it work?
01:57:10 <zzo38> Yes, it works.
01:57:16 <izabera> yay!
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02:00:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EWagon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52031&oldid=52006 * Timtomtoaster * (+950)
02:02:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EWagon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52032&oldid=52031 * Timtomtoaster * (+53)
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02:18:15 <boily> `5 w
02:18:19 <HackEgo> 1/3:wlcom//Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: <http://bit.ly/C4TUY>. (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.)welcome.fr//Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visi
02:20:15 <boily> `n
02:20:16 <HackEgo> 2/3:tez le wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur EFnet ou DALnet.) \ amortized//An amortized word is a word that oerjan can never remember. \ currying//Functions are curried by taking curry(f). \ irc//IRC is short for "Internet Relay Chat". It is named so because all the servers are constructed fro
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02:24:06 <boily> `n
02:24:07 <HackEgo> 3/3:m relays.
02:24:19 <boily> mmm watch relays ♪
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03:17:00 <zzo38> Now I made program "ff-elementary" to make elementary cellular automaton, and "ff-swizzle" to swizzle the channels.
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04:42:07 <zzo38> I found a PDF file "pocorgtfo14.pdf", which can be opened by "unzip" (although tab-completion does not work, probably because it expects a ".zip" suffix and it doesn't have it), but 7-Zip cannot open it. It also has a proper iNES header, but mednafen won't open it either. Furthermore, it contains the document about commanding one of the cheap toys for the new Pokemon game, and also about process sending message only by memory reading (not by writin
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06:33:40 <zzo38> The ff-elementary program can still be used to make up a lot of different kind of pattern in combination with other programs, even with simple rules.
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06:46:53 <pikhq> Hmm.
06:49:24 <zzo38> See what kind of stuff you can make up with these programs. If you find something interest, perhaps to post as the example on wiki
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11:08:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EWagon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52033&oldid=52032 * Timtomtoaster * (+21)
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11:25:06 <LKoen> hello
11:25:22 <LKoen> do you guys know how to pronounce "formulae" (plural of formula) in proper english?
11:25:37 <LKoen> I pronounce it something like "formula-ey"
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11:34:41 <Taneb> LKoen, formyulay
11:59:40 <LKoen> thank you
12:05:22 <boily> `w
12:05:27 <HackEgo> char//Char is a prominent component of charcoal.
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12:13:14 <erkin> we need a coal type
12:15:20 <boily> hellorkin. everything can be a type.
12:19:02 <erkin> is mayonnaise a type
12:21:32 <boily> mu.
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17:47:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Stestoltz * New user account
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19:03:07 <FireFly> zzo38: pocorgtfo issues tend to be polyglots, yeah
19:05:49 <rdococ> meyay
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19:53:17 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45MySnotCGA
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20:55:15 <wob_jonas> I see! So while both memory cards are "class 10" SDHC cards, the large one actually only does 45 MB/s, while the small one does 90 MB/s, and I think this is the read speed. The write speed is noticably faster in the large one:
20:55:43 <wob_jonas> with the large one, I sometimes had to wait for a second until the camera writes the photo to the card, with the small one, I don't have to.
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21:03:09 <hppavilion[1]> `? orenfont
21:03:12 <HackEgo> orenfont? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:03:22 <hppavilion[1]> `? fonts
21:03:23 <HackEgo> ​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz
21:04:20 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Does your site contain advertisements?
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21:13:34 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: no
21:13:58 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Weird, My school blocks it, and the reason it gives is "prohibited advertisements content"
21:14:44 <wob_jonas> hpp: is that one of those blockers that blocks any url that matches "ad" or "sex" anywhere (even inside a word)?
21:15:33 <\oren\> maybe it blocks it because the chinese characters 卍卐 appear on the page?
21:16:21 <doesthiswork> probably because it has nwat in the url
21:17:07 <\oren\> nuclear waste assesment team?
21:18:08 <doesthiswork> non-consing warnable allocation test
21:45:37 <rdococ> banana banaana banaaana banaaaana
21:47:44 <shachaf> `5 w
21:47:49 <HackEgo> 1/2:freenode//The Realm of Freenode is our homeland. The Chännel dwells in it since... Uhm... Quite a few years ago? \ wisdom//wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø? \ mycology//mycology is a Befunge-98 (also -93 to some extent) testsuite that can be found at https://deewi
21:47:54 <shachaf> `n
21:47:54 <HackEgo> 2/2:ant.iki.fi/projects/mycology/ \ batch//Batch is a language that uses the command cls. \ ghost//A ghost is an unintelligent undead, similar to the skeleton but harder to create, because it's lacking the rest of the body.
21:48:12 <shachaf> `? mycology
21:48:13 <HackEgo> mycology is a Befunge-98 (also -93 to some extent) testsuite that can be found at https://deewiant.iki.fi/projects/mycology/
21:48:34 <shachaf> kmc: did you know
21:49:17 <shachaf> `5 w
21:49:21 <HackEgo> 1/2:`ngevd//The `ngevd command hasn't been invented yet, but still manages to prevent bugs. \ html//HTML is short for "hope this mess loads". \ ehlist//ehlist is update notification for the Everyday Heroes webcomic. http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/ \ pike//Pike is an interpreted language that got sort of forgotten among the four big mainstream p-lan
21:49:25 <shachaf> `n
21:49:25 <HackEgo> 2/2:guages (perl, python, ruby, php). \ certainty//We don't know what certainty is for sure, but we have certainty that it isn't a functor.
21:50:08 <shachaf> oerjan: Are you certain it isn't a functor?
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22:06:27 <kmc> ashachaf: yes
22:22:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Xav737]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52034 * Xav737 * (+288) Created page with "Hello! I am an esolang enthusiast who decided to take on the task of creating interpreters / compilers for some of these documented languages. At the time of this writing, all..."
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23:19:10 <\oren\> I thought mello yello was a rapper, but apparently it's a soda
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23:48:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Decimal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52035&oldid=52029 * MD XF * (+132) Add COND
23:52:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52036&oldid=52016 * Timtomtoaster * (+242) /* Implementations */
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23:56:15 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52037&oldid=52036 * Timtomtoaster * (+27) /* eWagon2 */
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2017-06-02
00:02:17 <\oren\> http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASK612HJPK61UHBI006.html
00:02:19 <\oren\> lol, the covfefe heard round the world
00:03:43 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EWagon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52038&oldid=52033 * Timtomtoaster * (+81) /* Command list */
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00:07:48 <shachaf> `quote sleffy
00:07:49 <HackEgo> No output.
00:07:53 <shachaf> `? sleffy
00:07:54 <HackEgo> sleffy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:07:54 <shachaf> mysterious
00:07:57 <shachaf> `relcome sleffy
00:07:59 <HackEgo> sleffy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
00:08:37 <sleffy> I am a mere figment of the imagination
00:08:45 <sleffy> There are no records of my existence, for I unexist
00:08:48 <sleffy> mu
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00:15:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EWagon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52039&oldid=52038 * Timtomtoaster * (+11) /* Cat (numerical input only) */
00:35:22 <zzo38> Now I invented a extended version of MMIX object format, which allows for 32-bit line numbers, external symbols, large symbol tables, and a few other things.
00:37:18 <zzo38> There are eleven new loader instructions: lop_fixox, lop_fileu, lop_specx, lop_endx, lop_import, lop_importu, lop_xstab, lop_greg, lop_locim, lop_fixim, lop_lineh.
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01:48:19 <rdococ> I still can't get over the fact that there are an actual, existent group of human beings who want to kill half of the human population simply for having penises. It's ridiculous.
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01:58:42 <pikhq> rdococ: You'd be surprised how many dumb positions there are in the world.
01:59:53 <rdococ> pikhq, I am aware they exist but they still shock me.
02:00:00 <boily> pikhelloq, rdochelloc.
02:04:46 <rdococ> ugh
02:04:47 <rdococ> internet
02:08:08 <boily> INTERNET!
02:08:49 <boily> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK4-nUZiOH4
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02:25:24 <boily> `w
02:25:25 <HackEgo> bessel function//Bessel functions are responsible for certain surprising and hard to understand compilation errors. You may have seen them if you tried to define a global named yn or j0.
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02:55:58 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1z1gxwpj1I
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03:28:03 <doesthiswork> cosa rica looks different from how I had imagined
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04:40:03 <shachaf> `5 w
04:40:08 <HackEgo> 1/2:eridanipoid//Eridanipoids form a category of uncategorifiable stellar remnants. They form dense clusters of unmovable and unstoppable objects. \ vim//vim equals to cmxciv or cmxcvi, depending on which part of Roman Empire you are. \ flabberghast//Flabberghast is the recurring hunting one gets after too indulgent feast where one partook too libe
04:40:12 <shachaf> `n
04:40:13 <HackEgo> 2/2:raly \ blsq//See: Burlesque \ certainly//We don't know what certainly is for sure, but it certainly isn't a functor.
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04:51:37 <shachaf> `` ls -l bin/w
04:51:38 <HackEgo> ​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 12 Dec 15 01:27 bin/w
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04:58:15 <sleffy> `` ls -l bin
04:58:16 <HackEgo> total 18208 \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 105 Apr 17 18:20 ` \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 64 Oct 28 2016 `` \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 109 Mar 20 01:55 `^ \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 59 Jan 1 17:01 `̀ \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 17 Oct 28 2016 ^.^ \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 6 Oct 28 2016 ! -> interp \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 468 Apr 13 03:40 ? \ lrwxr
04:59:00 <shachaf> `ls
04:59:01 <HackEgo> 5pEV4X5h \ bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ izash.c \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ nasmbuild \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ share \ src \ test2 \ testfile \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom
04:59:12 <sleffy> `` ls -l bin | paste
04:59:14 <HackEgo> https://hackego.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.25645
04:59:15 <shachaf> `doag esobible
04:59:21 <HackEgo> 10440:2017-03-17 <hppavilion[1̈]> sled esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:4//s/timed out/timed out (but just barely; the internet was kind of slow before the universe was created)/ \ 10439:2017-03-17 <hppavilion[1̈]> mk esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0//First off, fungot bases eir arrays at 0, like a normal person. \ 10437:2017-03-17 <hppavilion[1̈]> mk esobible/ge
04:59:43 <sleffy> `2017
04:59:44 <HackEgo> Hello, world!
04:59:51 <sleffy> `8ball
04:59:52 <HackEgo> Most likely.
04:59:59 <sleffy> `aaaaaaaaa
05:00:29 <HackEgo> No output.
05:00:43 <shachaf> `cat bin/aaaaaaaaa
05:00:44 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/sh \ print_args_or_input "$@" | tr A-Za-z0-9 [A*26][a*26][4*10]
05:00:49 <sleffy> `age
05:00:51 <HackEgo> 10977
05:00:54 <sleffy> `age
05:00:55 <HackEgo> 10977
05:01:01 <sleffy> `bardsworthlist
05:01:02 <HackEgo> bardsworthlist: b_jonas
05:01:33 <sleffy> don't mind me, just testing
05:02:02 <shachaf> `` cat bin/FireFlist | rot13
05:02:03 <HackEgo> rpub SverSyl Ryqvf4
05:02:37 <sleffy> `password
05:02:38 <HackEgo> kpqkxeikuwvisbu
05:02:48 <shachaf> `cat bin/password
05:02:48 <HackEgo> ​#!/usr/bin/python \ \ import random \ import string \ \ print "".join(random.choice(string.ascii_lowercase) for _ in xrange(15))
05:02:55 <shachaf> `doag bin/password
05:03:02 <HackEgo> 8878:2016-07-29 <shachäf> ` echo $\'#!/usr/bin/python\\n\\nimport random\\nimport string\\n\\nprint "".join(random.choice(string.ascii_lowercase) for _ in xrange(15))\' > bin/password; chmod +x bin/password
05:03:08 <shachaf> `? password
05:03:09 <HackEgo> The password of the month is poochpoochpoochpoochpooch
05:03:14 <shachaf> `dowg password
05:03:21 <HackEgo> 10898:2017-05-14 <boil̈y> le/rn password//The password of the month is poochpoochpoochpoochpooch \ 10595:2017-04-09 <oerjän> learn The password of the month is bad \ 10373:2017-03-08 <int-̈e> learn The password of the month is OSBDemoLap9W53! \ 10206:2017-02-04 <int-̈e> learn The password of the month is n9y25ah7 \ 10065:2017-01-01 <oerjän>
05:03:32 <shachaf> oerjan: the password of the month is out of date tdnh
05:04:28 <sleffy> `whoops
05:04:31 <HackEgo> ​«wisdom/rules of wisdom» -> «wisdom/rules of wisdoms»
05:04:36 <oerjan> `learn The password of the month is out of date tdnh
05:04:39 <HackEgo> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is out of date tdnh
05:04:47 <oerjan> hth
05:04:52 <shachaf> tdh thx hand
05:05:17 <sleffy> `cat bin/whoops
05:05:18 <HackEgo> OLD="wisdom/$1"; [ -z "$1" ] && OLD="$(lastfiles)"; NEW="${OLD}s"; if [ -f "$NEW" ]; then echo "«${NEW}» already exists"; exit 1; fi; mv "$OLD" "$NEW" && echo "«${OLD}» -> «${NEW}»"
05:05:43 <shachaf> `revert
05:05:44 <HackEgo> Done.
05:05:53 <shachaf> `revert
05:05:54 <HackEgo> Done.
05:05:57 <shachaf> whoops
05:06:01 <sleffy> whoops
05:06:05 <shachaf> `hurl
05:06:06 <HackEgo> https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/
05:06:24 <shachaf> `undo 10978
05:06:27 <HackEgo> patching file 'wisdom/rules of wisdom' \ patching file 'wisdom/rules of wisdoms'
05:07:05 <shachaf> `? shaventions
05:07:06 <HackEgo> Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1/4/5, edit. Taneb did not invent them yet.
05:07:16 <shachaf> `culprits bin/whoops
05:07:23 <HackEgo> oerjän shachäf oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän
05:08:01 <shachaf> `? help
05:08:02 <HackEgo> Help is on the way. We don't know where the way is, though. You might try `help instead.
05:08:07 <shachaf> `? `help
05:08:08 <HackEgo> ​`help [<command>] gives HackEgo's default help message, or help for a specific command. Or currently possibly some other wisdom.
05:08:13 <shachaf> `help
05:08:13 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch [<output-file>] <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
05:08:50 <shachaf> ^prefixes
05:08:50 <fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
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05:31:59 <\oren\> Marriage and bloodstain are the same
05:32:11 <\oren\> well, sound the same at least
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05:44:51 <sleffy> `cat bin/w
05:44:52 <HackEgo> wisdom "$@"
05:52:38 <sleffy> `? tdh
05:52:40 <HackEgo> tdh is the past tense of a successful hth. hth.
05:52:48 <sleffy> `? tdnh
05:52:50 <HackEgo> tdnh does not help
05:52:57 <sleffy> oh it's recursive
05:53:17 <shachaf> the dogs now howl
05:53:57 <sleffy> `? howl
05:53:58 <HackEgo> howl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
05:54:01 <sleffy> `? owl
05:54:03 <HackEgo> owl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
05:54:06 <sleffy> `? dog
05:54:07 <HackEgo> dog? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
05:54:12 <sleffy> `? now
05:54:13 <HackEgo> now? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
05:54:20 <sleffy> `? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
05:54:21 <HackEgo> ​¯\(°​_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯
05:54:45 <shachaf> `5 w
05:54:50 <HackEgo> 1/2:grimmargorp//Þór, Grimmargorpurinn hefur sloppið! Ragnarök eru nálæg! \ lambek's lemma//Lambek's Lemma, invented by Joachim "Taneb" Lambek, states that initial algebras have inverses. It can be proved with as few as five arrows. \ zimbabwe//olsner's desk points zimbabwards. It is highly dependent on tswett's michiganic orientation. \ xarg
05:54:53 <shachaf> `n
05:54:54 <HackEgo> 2/2:s//xargs is for piping snowmen. \ implication//Implication is a useful rhetorical device, if you know what I mean.
05:55:14 <sleffy> `cat bin/n
05:55:15 <HackEgo> line="${1-$(cat /hackenv/tmp/spline)}"; len="$(awk 'END{print NR}' /hackenv/tmp/spout)"; echo -n "$line/$len:"; sed -n "${line}{p;q}" /hackenv/tmp/spout; echo "$((line<len?line+1:1))" > /hackenv/tmp/spline
05:56:27 <sleffy> `cat bin/5
05:56:27 <HackEgo> cmd="${1-quote}"; \`^ 5 "$cmd"
05:56:48 <\oren\> `? æ
05:56:49 <HackEgo> ​æ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
05:56:56 <\oren\> `grwp æ
05:56:58 <HackEgo> blæg:Blæg is a color that cannot exist under the current understanding of physics. It is used on the #esoteric flag, along with ultraviolet and whatever is convenient. It is a nullary color, meaning that it can be mixed with itself to produce the primary colors. \ can't:can't is the most frequent word whose pronunciation varies between /ɑː/ and
05:57:22 <\oren\> wait what
05:57:27 <\oren\> `? can't
05:57:29 <HackEgo> can't is the most frequent word whose pronunciation varies between /ɑː/ and /æ/ depending on dialect. A list is: advance after answer ask aunt brass can't cast castle chance class command dance demand draft enhance example fast father glass graph grass half last laugh mask master nasty pass past path plant rather sample shan't staff task vast
05:58:00 <sleffy> `? shan't
05:58:01 <HackEgo> shan't? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
05:58:24 <\oren\> wait, who pronounces can't "cont"
05:58:48 <\oren\> bah
05:59:55 <sleffy> `? bah
05:59:56 <HackEgo> bah? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
06:01:33 <\oren\> http://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=Bah
06:02:53 <rdococ> . o O ( what would happen if you were flipped? )
06:07:40 <\oren\> rdococ: if waht was flipped?
06:07:53 <rdococ> your body.
06:08:02 <rdococ> aka. mirrored.
06:09:56 <\oren\> then you couldn't eat any food and would rapidly develop problems
06:10:26 <\oren\> because your amino acids, sugars, etc would all be the wrong chirality
06:11:13 <rdococ> huh
06:11:32 <rdococ> so if someone entered my glide-reflection wrapping world and crossed the edge they should avoid eating from there
06:12:54 <\oren\> yeah, unless you carried a supply of food that was also flipped
06:14:16 <rdococ> I just licked a Switch cartridge.
06:14:21 <rdococ> bitter, but I'm not dead.
06:14:41 <pikhq> Well, it's only denatonium benzoate, after all.
06:14:46 <rdococ> ye
06:15:04 <pikhq> It's not exactly known to be a major health hazard.
06:16:29 <\oren\> those cartridges don't taste anywhere near as bad as when you mistakenly chew a non-chewing vitamin
06:16:38 <rdococ> deters people trying to eat it and choking, which is known to be a major health hazard
06:17:09 <rdococ> death is also known to be a major health hazard, causing complete decomposition of the body in many cases
06:17:40 <sleffy> `? mapole
06:17:41 <HackEgo> A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6’ by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg.
06:17:56 <rdococ> anyway, I wonder if my world's life would evolve with symmetric chemicals and amino acids to avoid the problems
06:18:01 <sleffy> `? death
06:18:02 <HackEgo> death? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
06:18:23 <rdococ> if not, then it'd be fun to see what ancient civilisation makes of it
06:18:51 <sleffy> `learn death is known to be a major health hazard, causing complete decomposition of the body in many cases.
06:18:54 <HackEgo> Learned 'death': death is known to be a major health hazard, causing complete decomposition of the body in many cases.
06:19:07 <oerjan> `slwd death//s,.,D,
06:19:09 <HackEgo> death//Death is known to be a major health hazard, causing complete decomposition of the body in many cases.
06:20:08 <oerjan> rdococ: it depends how deeply flipped you are. if it's subatomic, you'll annihilate with matter instead hth
06:20:10 <sleffy> `cat bin/slwd
06:20:11 <HackEgo> cd wisdom; sled "$1" | sed '1s/^Rosebud!$/Roswbud!/'
06:20:25 <rdococ> huh
06:21:04 <sleffy> `cat bin/sled
06:21:05 <rdococ> is it related to antimatter?
06:21:05 <HackEgo> ​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo 'usage: sled file//script'; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || { echo 'Rosebud!'; exit 1; }; sed -i "$value" "$key" ;
06:21:36 <oerjan> also, if life evolved with constant flipping, it'd probably also evolve the capability to digest both variants.
06:21:50 <oerjan> s/constant/frequent/
06:22:02 <rdococ> true
06:22:29 <oerjan> rdococ: yes, antimatter is flipped and also time reversed.
06:22:36 <rdococ> but if the world is large enough, maybe only the life around the edges where reflection occurs would
06:22:56 <pikhq> I didn't think antimatter was time-reversed?
06:23:22 <oerjan> well you'd think some of the life forms would spread into the opposite of where they started...
06:23:52 <oerjan> rdococ: actually, you cannot detect where the edge is.
06:24:20 <oerjan> unless it appears suddenly, so the life forms have already spread to both sides of it.
06:24:27 <rdococ> it'd be the place where food kills you
06:24:38 <oerjan> rdococ: but how did the food get there?
06:24:41 <sleffy> `? food
06:24:42 <HackEgo> food? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
06:25:31 <oerjan> rdococ: if life started _on_ the edge, it would spread across to both sides, and only be lethal when they met again in the middle.
06:27:07 <rdococ> hm
06:27:14 <rdococ> depends on whether the chirality of the ground matters.
06:27:17 <oerjan> pikhq: CPT symmetry. C is switching matter and antimatter, and thus equivalent to flipping both P and T.
06:27:54 <oerjan> rdococ: there is no chirality of nonliving matter.
06:28:13 <oerjan> unless you go down to subatomic level.
06:28:29 <oerjan> and then only very weakly.
06:28:40 <pikhq> Erm, *quartz* is chiral.
06:29:02 <pikhq> It doesn't matter too much, but hey.
06:29:07 <oerjan> pikhq: well ok, but both forms have the same probability don't they?
06:29:13 <pikhq> Yes.
06:29:13 <rdococ> hm
06:29:33 <oerjan> so it's not chiral in a widespread way.
06:29:58 <pikhq> One particular chirality being the only one occuring certainly *is* only true of organic matter.
06:30:13 <rdococ> so if life started in the middle, it would experience lethality when reaching the edges. but if life started on the edge, it would experience it when reaching the middle.
06:30:48 <oerjan> life is chiral only because all lifeforms have inherited the original random chirality of the building blocks of their ancestors.
06:30:54 <sleffy> `? life
06:30:56 <HackEgo> ​‘Life,’ said Marvin, ‘don't talk to me about life.’
06:31:03 <pikhq> (as you might expect, considering that any given chirality should *generally* be chemically identically to the opposite chirality)
06:31:05 <rdococ> brb, busy gawping at the new zelda's render distance... I think
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06:40:00 <rdococ> hm
06:40:11 <rdococ> so you could have two different lifeforms with opposing chiralities in one world?
06:40:56 <oerjan> assuming they arose independently
06:41:05 <sleffy> `? Mark Shuttleworth
06:41:06 <pikhq> I mean, in principle, but it'd likely require two unique instances of abiogenesis.
06:41:06 <HackEgo> Mark Shuttleworth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
06:41:16 <pikhq> Which *seems* awfully unlikely.
06:41:50 <rdococ> either way, the mirroring would make there appear to be two such forms
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07:28:36 <rdococ> ih hppavilion[1].
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07:42:56 <rdococ> imagine: a disease, that only infects people who haven't digested denatonium benzoate
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07:58:42 <oerjan> . o O ( detonatium )
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08:34:57 <rdococ> myay
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08:48:20 <rdococ> Prediction: there is someone out there who finds the chemical sexy and is already proving rule 34 once again
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09:23:31 <wob_jonas> `? limoncello
09:23:32 <HackEgo> limoncello? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
09:26:31 <wob_jonas> `? monad
09:26:33 <HackEgo> Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors.
09:26:45 <wob_jonas> `? burrito
09:26:46 <HackEgo> Burritos are like Monads, according to Joe. See https://byorgey.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/abstraction-intuition-and-the-monad-tutorial-fallacy/
09:42:51 <wob_jonas> "<zzo38> Now I invented a extended version of MMIX object format, which allows for 32-bit line numbers, external symbols, large symbol tables, and a few other things." => can't ELF already do that, with tools that support it??
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10:10:05 <wob_jonas> "<rdococ> but if the world is large enough, maybe only the life around the edges where reflection occurs would" => there are no edges. locally there are no flips anywhere, you have to go around the world to get flipped
10:12:50 <wob_jonas> "<pikhq> I mean, in principle, but it'd likely require two unique instances of abiogenesis. / Which *seems* awfully unlikely." => the unlikely part is both origins surviving
10:13:33 <wob_jonas> but then, we don't really know how unlikely it really is, we only have one biome to examine, and this one just happens to have only one origin of life
10:14:12 <wob_jonas> and also apparently just one surviving point where organisms as complicated as eukaryotes have evolved
10:14:34 <wob_jonas> I'm pretty proud of the original eukaryote really
10:15:06 <wob_jonas> (I can be proud of my ancestors, right?)
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11:16:04 <wob_jonas> `perl -e for$f(map{glob}"wisdom/*","wisdom/*/*"){ if(-f$f){open$i,"<",$f or die;local$/;$s=<$i>; if($s=~/\n\z/){$c++} $a++} } print "matching: $c/$a entries;"
11:16:09 <HackEgo> matching: 1511/1519 entries;
11:16:22 <wob_jonas> `perl -e for$f(map{glob}"wisdom/*","wisdom/*/*"){ if(-f$f){open$i,"<",$f or die;local$/;$s=<$i>; if($s=~/\n./s){$c++} $a++} } print "matching: $c/$a entries;"
11:16:24 <HackEgo> matching: 2/1519 entries;
11:16:31 <wob_jonas> `perl -e for$f(map{glob}"wisdom/*","wisdom/*/*"){ if(-f$f){open$i,"<",$f or die;local$/;$s=<$i>; if($s=~/\r./s){$c++} $a++} } print "matching: $c/$a entries;"
11:16:33 <HackEgo> matching: /1519 entries;
11:16:41 <wob_jonas> `perl -e for$f(map{glob}"wisdom/*","wisdom/*/*"){ if(-f$f){open$i,"<",$f or die;local$/;$s=<$i>; if($s=~/\r/s){$c++} $a++} } print "matching: $c/$a entries;"
11:16:43 <HackEgo> matching: /1519 entries;
11:16:46 <wob_jonas> `perl -e for$f(map{glob}"wisdom/*","wisdom/*/*"){ if(-f$f){open$i,"<",$f or die;local$/;$s=<$i>; if($s=~/\x00/s){$c++} $a++} } print "matching: $c/$a entries;"
11:16:49 <HackEgo> matching: /1519 entries;
11:17:26 <wob_jonas> `perl -e for$f(map{glob}"wisdom/*","wisdom/*/*"){ if(-f$f){open$i,"<",$f or die;local$/;$s=<$i>; if($s!~/\n\z/s){print "$f "} }}
11:17:28 <HackEgo> wisdom/ᛁᚿ wisdom/b_jonas can't spell wisdom/certainly wisdom/certainty wisdom/nak wisdom/o wisdom/output wisdom/wlcom
11:17:49 <wob_jonas> ``` echo >> wisdom/ᛁᚿ
11:17:50 <HackEgo> No output.
11:17:53 <wob_jonas> `?ᛁᚿ
11:17:54 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?ᛁᚿ: not found
11:17:59 <wob_jonas> `? ᛁᚿ
11:18:00 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg
11:18:13 <wob_jonas> `1 ? ᛁᚿ
11:18:14 <HackEgo> 1/2:ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿ
11:18:17 <wob_jonas> `spam
11:18:18 <HackEgo> 2/2:gᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ
11:18:44 <wob_jonas> ``` echo >> wisdom/b_jonas\ can\'t\ spell
11:18:46 <HackEgo> No output.
11:18:50 <wob_jonas> ``` echo >> wisdom/o
11:18:52 <HackEgo> No output.
11:18:55 <wob_jonas> `? b_jonas can't spell
11:18:56 <HackEgo> b_jonas can't spell these words: weird, hygiene, etymology, myopia, hibernate, carbohydrate, appearance, maintenance, appropriate, privilege, obsolete, heard, homogeneous, jealous; and confuses: drought, draught/draft; couch, coach; depreciate, deprecate; dilate, dilute; contiguous, continuous; discrete, discreet.
11:18:58 <wob_jonas> `? o
11:18:59 <HackEgo> o is a popular comedy adventure fantasy webcomic. It's about a group of adventurers, heroes or warriors (whatever you want to call them) called the Order of the Stick, as they go about their adventures with minimal competence or knowledge of what they are doing, and eventually sort of stumble into a plan by an undead sorcerer to conquer the world,
11:19:05 <wob_jonas> `? certainly
11:19:06 <HackEgo> We don't know what certainly is for sure, but it certainly isn't a functor.
11:19:08 <wob_jonas> `? certainty
11:19:09 <HackEgo> We don't know what certainty is for sure, but we have certainty that it isn't a functor.
11:19:10 <wob_jonas> `? nak
11:19:12 <HackEgo> No output.
11:19:13 <wob_jonas> `? output
11:19:14 <HackEgo> No output.
11:19:21 <wob_jonas> `? wlcom
11:19:22 <HackEgo> Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: <http://bit.ly/C4TUY>. (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.)
11:19:52 <wob_jonas> ``` od -vtx -Ax wisdom/nak
11:19:54 <HackEgo> 000000
11:19:59 <wob_jonas> ``` od -vtx -Ax wisdom/output
11:20:00 <HackEgo> 000000
11:21:07 <wob_jonas> ``` od -vtx -Ax wisdom/sp5zTEKIPozuQ06pczPhN2Nh47houup413gLQwU77OU
11:21:08 <HackEgo> od: wisdom/sp5zTEKIPozuQ06pczPhN2Nh47houup413gLQwU77OU: No such file or directory
11:21:26 <wob_jonas> `? welcome
11:21:27 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
11:21:41 <wob_jonas> ``` echo > wlcom
11:21:43 <HackEgo> No output.
11:21:51 <wob_jonas> `revert
11:21:52 <HackEgo> Done.
11:21:54 <wob_jonas> ``` echo >> wlcom
11:21:56 <wob_jonas> `? wlcom
11:21:56 <HackEgo> No output.
11:21:57 <HackEgo> Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: <http://bit.ly/C4TUY>. (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.)
11:22:06 <wob_jonas> `? rules of wisdom
11:22:08 <HackEgo> unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced with no space at the end, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
11:25:24 <wob_jonas> `perl -e {$f="wisdom/rules of wisdom";open$i,"<",$f or die;local$/;$s=<$i>;$s=~s/with no space at the end/and end in a newline with no space before that/ or die;$s=~s/\n\z// or die;print$s}
11:25:25 <HackEgo> unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
11:25:47 <wob_jonas> `perl -e {$f="wisdom/rules of wisdom";open$i,"<",$f or die;local$/;$s=<$i>;$s=~s/with no space at the end/and end in a newline with no space before that/ or die;$s=~s/\n\z// or die;print$s;open$o,">",$f;print$o $s or die;}
11:25:48 <HackEgo> unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
11:25:57 <wob_jonas> `? rules of wisdom
11:25:58 <HackEgo> unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
11:26:17 <wob_jonas> `perl -e for$f(map{glob}"wisdom/*","wisdom/*/*"){ if(-f$f){open$i,"<",$f or die;local$/;$s=<$i>; if($s!~/\n\z/s){print "$f "} }}
11:26:19 <HackEgo> wisdom/certainly wisdom/certainty wisdom/nak wisdom/output wisdom/rules of wisdom wisdom/wlcom
11:26:31 <wob_jonas> `? certainly
11:26:32 <HackEgo> We don't know what certainly is for sure, but it certainly isn't a functor.
11:26:33 <wob_jonas> `? certainty
11:26:34 <HackEgo> We don't know what certainty is for sure, but we have certainty that it isn't a functor.
11:27:07 <wob_jonas> ``` echo >> wisdom/certainly; echo >> wisdom/certainty; head wisdom/certain*y
11:27:10 <HackEgo> ​==> wisdom/certainly <== \ We don't know what certainly is for sure, but it certainly isn't a functor. \ \ ==> wisdom/certainty <== \ We don't know what certainty is for sure, but we have certainty that it isn't a functor.
11:27:36 <wob_jonas> ``` ls -aF
11:27:37 <HackEgo> ​./ \ ../ \ .hg/ \ .hg_archival.txt \ .hgignore \ 5pEV4X5h \ bin/ \ canary \ emoticons/ \ esobible/ \ etc/ \ evil/ \ factor/ \ good/ \ hw/ \ ibin/ \ interps/ \ izash.c \ karma \ le/ \ lib/ \ misle/ \ nasmbuild/ \ paste/ \ ply-3.8/ \ quines/ \ quinor/ \ quotes \ share/ \ src/ \ test2 \ testfile \ tmflry/ \ tmp/ \ wisdom/ \ wlcom
11:27:59 <wob_jonas> ``` ls -aF src
11:28:01 <HackEgo> ​./ \ ../ \ 99.sh \ bob.c \ brainfuck.fu \ ciol/ \ ciol.c \ daoyu.c \ egobot.tar.xz \ emmental.hs \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ fizziecoin.jpg \ fueue.c \ grph.c \ hello.c \ hello2.c \ maze.c \ orenbow.c \ pikhqbow.c \ ploki/ \ ploki-0.6.5.1.tar.bz2 \ u8tbl.c \ ul.emm
11:30:14 <wob_jonas> `perl -e for$f(map{glob}"wisdom/*","wisdom/*/*"){ if(-f$f){open$i,"<",$f or die;local$/;$s=<$i>; if($s=~/\n./s){print "$f "} }}
11:30:17 <HackEgo> wisdom/bdsmreclist wisdom/indexed monad
11:30:26 <wob_jonas> `? indexed monad
11:30:28 <HackEgo> Indexed monads are just monads on an indexed category. \ Indexed monads are just categories enriched over the monoidal category of endofunctors.
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11:55:28 <boily> `w
11:55:29 <HackEgo> complete heyting algebra//A complete Heyting algebra is just a cartesian closed complete lattice.
11:56:34 <wob_jonas> ``` rm wisdom/{burito,buritto,burritto}
11:56:36 <HackEgo> No output.
11:56:42 <wob_jonas> `? buritto
11:56:43 <HackEgo> buritto? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
11:56:48 <wob_jonas> `? burrito
11:56:49 <HackEgo> Burritos are like Monads, according to Joe. See https://byorgey.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/abstraction-intuition-and-the-monad-tutorial-fallacy/
11:57:16 <wob_jonas> `? perpetual motion machine
11:57:17 <HackEgo> Perpetual motion machines came with FreeFull's phone. They were hallucinated by Slereah's lack of entropy.
11:58:02 <boily> ...
11:58:10 <boily> `cwlprits perpetual motion machine
11:58:17 <HackEgo> boil̈y boil̈y
11:58:20 <wob_jonas> `? le/arn
11:58:21 <HackEgo> lern 2 spel
12:00:01 <quintopia> helloily
12:00:25 <boily> QUINTHELLOPIA!
12:00:31 <boily> you're morning!
12:00:38 <quintopia> im rome
12:00:45 <quintopia> its afternoon
12:01:30 <boily> !
12:01:33 <boily> how's life over there?
12:01:42 <quintopia> lets see
12:02:38 <quintopia> @metar LIRF
12:02:38 <lambdabot> LIRF 021050Z 24009KT 200V270 CAVOK 26/11 Q1019 NOSIG
12:02:47 <quintopia> like that
12:03:46 <boily> quite good.
12:05:15 <quintopia> u?
12:05:27 <wob_jonas> helloily
12:05:46 <wob_jonas> I've been adding newlines to the ends of wisdom entries, plus removing it from one
12:05:50 <wob_jonas> `? rules of wisdom
12:05:52 <HackEgo> unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
12:06:07 <wob_jonas> I found it annoying when wisdoms ran together in the `5 w output you keep doing
12:08:03 <boily> quintopia: humid! but the trees and herbs and plants and mushrooms and all that greenery is happily greening ^^
12:08:06 <quintopia> good good
12:08:12 <wob_jonas> there were only like five newlineless entries and I fixed half of them
12:08:54 <quintopia> i recruited a third for our late june pandora adventures
12:09:00 <wob_jonas> the remaining one is wlcom
12:09:18 <wob_jonas> I don't understand that entry so maybe it does need the lack of newline for humor or something
12:10:54 <boily> quintopia: !
12:10:58 <quintopia> `wisdom wlcom
12:10:59 <HackEgo> wlcom//Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: <http://bit.ly/C4TUY>. (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.)
12:11:10 <wob_jonas> `howg wlcm
12:11:17 <HackEgo> No output.
12:11:27 <boily> vwls r vrrtd.
12:11:27 <quintopia> i see no reason not to include a newline
12:12:19 <wob_jonas> what's that entry even supposed to do?
12:12:19 <quintopia> `wlcm
12:12:20 <HackEgo> Wlcm t th ntrntnl hb fr strc prgrmmng lngg dsgn nd dplymnt! Fr mr nfrmtn, chck t r wk: <http://slngs.rg/>. (Fr th thr knd f strc, try #strc n EFnt r DALnt.)
12:12:29 <wob_jonas> `howg wlcom
12:12:35 <wob_jonas> `howg wlcm
12:12:44 <HackEgo> ​<km̈c> printf \'Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: <http://bit.ly/C4TUY>. (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.)\' > wisdom/wlcom
12:12:44 <HackEgo> No output.
12:13:35 <quintopia> looks like he typoed the n
12:14:33 <quintopia> its a roman holiday
12:14:43 <quintopia> banks are closed
12:16:13 <quintopia> we dont know how to get from sorrento to athens affordably
12:18:13 <boily> trains?
12:18:59 <wob_jonas> swim across the sea?
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12:38:25 <wob_jonas> or go by car, which is cheap if three people travel together in one car, but probably expensive for just one person
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15:09:35 <wob_jonas> I'm reading xkb definition files... a complicated mess with lots of small parts with all sorts of inheritence, and I can't see which parts of the source eventually gets included for the layout
15:10:44 <wob_jonas> I understand that it has to be composable, but still...
15:10:47 <wob_jonas> it's so complicated
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17:32:05 <\oren\> people say you can get all your vitamins from your food, but I think that only applies if you don't eat nothing but junk food
17:56:33 <rdococ> Thought experiment: what would happen if you turned in time?
17:59:22 <\oren\> rdococ: that's what a lorentz transformation is
18:00:00 <rdococ> I am aware of that: I meant what would happen if you turned in time like it was an ordinary spatial dimension
18:00:49 <\oren\> probably a massive explosion
18:01:26 <\oren\> becuase the side that was going backward in time would become antimatter
18:01:35 <rdococ> Okay, let me rephrase: what would it look like for an object to face the future?
18:02:34 <rdococ> Take your regular cube, and swap the X axis with the time axis (I realize this isn't rotation, but the cube has 4 lines of symmetry, so it doesn't matter. heh.)
18:05:30 <rdococ> Or, take that cube's world line, and rotate it 90 degrees.
18:11:18 <\oren\> uh... well, it would become a really, really long rectangle that lasts a tiny fraction of a second?
18:12:24 <rdococ> hm
18:12:46 <rdococ> okay, imagine that cube staying the same, but its eyes are facing the time axis
18:13:24 <rdococ> not literally, but nvm
18:18:31 <\oren\> wow I'm this far into this veido https://youtu.be/uWfcgiODqrY?t=6h48m5s
18:18:43 <\oren\> six hours, 48 minutes
18:19:46 <rdococ> I'm listening to MK8's soundtrack because it's awesome.
18:22:11 <\oren\> also, this is an opening song of an eroge and it's a better song than a lot of primetime anime openings
18:24:32 <rdococ> er
18:24:35 <rdococ> okay
18:25:58 <\oren\> I still don't know how this video is still up tho. I mean, he put together 145 opening songs of various eroge into an 11 hour video
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18:26:26 <\oren\> you'd think they would get around to dmcaing it
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18:42:48 <sleffy> `? coffee
18:42:49 <HackEgo> Coffee is a strange brew. Enticing wisps of vapour catch the eye, the soul ensnared into dark vortices of flavour. Some minds mix in milk and sugar to counteract coffee's black magic.
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18:49:11 <rdococ> `? alchemy
18:49:12 <HackEgo> alchemy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:57:50 <sleffy> `? sleep
18:57:51 <HackEgo> Sleep is for the weak.
18:57:54 <sleffy> `? weak
18:57:56 <HackEgo> weak? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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18:58:18 <sleffy> Weakness is for the sleep
18:59:45 <rdococ> `le//rn weakness//Weakness is for the sleep.
18:59:48 <HackEgo> Learned 'weakness': Weakness is for the sleep.
19:00:07 <shachaf> `revert
19:00:08 <HackEgo> Done.
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19:00:29 <rdococ> `? brevity
19:00:31 <HackEgo> syn. "shortness"
19:00:34 <rdococ> `? shortness
19:00:35 <HackEgo> syn. "brevity"
19:00:39 <rdococ> `? wit
19:00:40 <HackEgo> wit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:01:22 <shachaf> `forget shortness
19:01:25 <HackEgo> Forget what?
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19:11:46 <int-e> . o O ( Hello, sleeple! )
19:16:14 * rdococ farts
19:17:12 <sleffy> `? fart
19:17:13 <HackEgo> fart? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:17:23 <sleffy> `? syn
19:17:24 <HackEgo> syn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:17:26 <sleffy> `? ack
19:17:27 <HackEgo> ack? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:18:02 <rdococ> ba
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19:52:43 <erkin> syn syn enq?
19:54:15 <int-e> . o O ( "fart" is an uncommon portmanteau of "fan art" )
19:56:18 <rdococ> . o . o O o O
19:56:39 <rdococ> o . O
19:58:30 * erkin pops bubbles
20:00:16 <sleffy> `? bubble
20:00:18 <HackEgo> bubble? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
20:00:39 <sleffy> `? error
20:00:40 <HackEgo> error? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
20:00:43 <sleffy> erk: 5
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20:20:57 <rdococ> hppavilion[1] ih.
20:21:12 <hppavilion[1]> rdocomrade!
20:21:24 <rdococ> I'm trying to think of a good alchemy system.
20:23:09 <rdococ> Failing that, maybe a good geometric magic system.
20:26:05 <rdococ> I've also considered an alternative elemental system where fire isn't included as an element.
20:28:22 <rdococ> OOh! I just had an idea. What if water + fire = salt?
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22:12:01 <zzo38> I want the category-theory magic system. But I don't know why fire shouldn't be included as an element if the other three classical elements are. (Although an entirely different system can be made up; but, even the Chinese elements is including fire, too)
22:12:26 <shachaf> But do you speak Chinese?
22:12:57 <zzo38> No
22:15:07 <rdococ> you could say fire is a process
22:15:27 <shachaf> Do you speak Portuguese?
22:15:49 <rdococ> you'd have water, fire-air and earth. fire could turn that into salt, burnt-air and ash.
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22:36:48 <esoman> I have an idea for an esolang.
22:36:59 <esoman> Basically its Prolog with different syntax.
22:37:23 <esoman> The syntax is an ASCII graph, with boxes representing relations.
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22:42:10 <prooftechnique> Sounds like https://hackage.haskell.org/package/needle
22:42:44 <sleffy> `? train
22:42:45 <HackEgo> train? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
22:43:24 <shachaf> sleffy: see #trains hth
22:44:47 <sleffy> `? #trains
22:44:48 <HackEgo> ​#trains? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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23:19:04 <prooftechnique> hppavilion[1]: What is this tag thing about?
23:20:15 <zzo38> I have starting writing Z-machine implementation with MMIX.
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23:31:54 <boily> `w
23:31:56 <HackEgo> zzo38card//zzo38cards are at http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt
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23:50:20 <zzo38> Do you like this cards?
23:51:41 <shachaf> There are too many for me to read.
23:51:46 <shachaf> Pick one or two and I'll read them.
23:52:15 <shachaf> "Enchant spell"?
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23:54:04 <zzo38> A permanent could be attached to any object or player.
23:54:32 <shachaf> Do you mean an enchantment?
23:54:39 <shachaf> Er, an aura?
23:54:41 <shachaf> Whatever it's called.
23:54:43 <shachaf> I don't know.
23:55:02 <rdococ> if ice out of the fire/ice/lightning triangle freezes you, what's the point of lightning paralysing you?
23:55:09 <zzo38> Most permanents cannot be attached to anything, although Auras, Equipment, and Fortification, can.
23:55:29 <rdococ> if you ask me, lightning could make you move randomly?
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23:56:00 <shachaf> Oh, I see.
23:56:01 <shachaf> You're right.
23:58:19 <zzo38> Do you like card "Acclamation of the Denied"? Some card also I make up based on the Dungeons&Dragons character, such as "Zeux Agem".
2017-06-03
00:00:55 <shachaf> I don't remember how Conspiracy cards work.
00:02:15 <zzo38> How it works is if you have drafted that card you may include it in your command zone at the beginning of the game. If it has hidden agenda, then it is face-down and secretly chosen a card name, and then it can be turned face-up as a special action.
00:02:47 <shachaf> You may turn it face-up whenever you want?
00:03:09 <zzo38> Yes, any time you have priority.
00:03:33 <shachaf> I like cards that let you do things even when you don't have priority.
00:05:04 <zzo38> When you don't have priority, you still might do stuff during a mana step or when some effect requires you to make a choice, other than that you can concede at any time, I think.
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00:05:55 <shachaf> What about cards that let you cast spells while you're searching your library?
00:06:01 <shachaf> Can that happen when you don't have priority? I don't remember.
00:07:40 <zzo38> Yes.
00:08:34 <zzo38> Some effects have you cast a spell or do other stuff as part of an effect, but normally, if it is not a part of the effect, it cannot be done unless you have priority (except that you can still activate mana abilities during a mana step, and state-based actions will be deferred until someone does get priority).
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00:13:58 <oerjan> aww my ppcg answer got unaccepted
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00:15:31 <prooftechnique> Aww
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00:16:22 <oerjan> what, despite it _still_ being the only one...
00:18:21 <prooftechnique> Maybe their problem unhappened
00:18:42 <oerjan> it was an old answer...
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00:25:16 <rdococ> ho
00:26:03 <oerjan> oh?
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00:30:25 <rdococ> ?ho
00:30:25 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: hoogle hoogle+ do
00:30:48 <shachaf> `5 w
00:30:53 <HackEgo> 1/2:something-that-isn't-in-hackego's-wisdom//It is now. \ russia//Russia is a country so huge it manages to be so near to both Finland and Japan. It used to be part of the Soviet Union before Ronald Reagan destroyed it. \ mathematimu//A mathematimu is a quantum of mathematics. If you observe it, its codepoint can change. \ irc//IRC is short for "I
00:30:56 <shachaf> `n
00:30:57 <HackEgo> 2/2:nternet Relay Chat". It is named so because all the servers are constructed from relays. \ delaware//Delaware is a US state in which everybody speaks German.
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00:33:41 <prooftechnique> The antecedent of "it" is ambiguous in that wisdom entry
00:34:10 <prooftechnique> One makes Reagan a political juggernaut; the other, a literal one
00:34:38 <rdococ> I present my brand new chatting system
00:34:44 <rdococ> the Internet Transistor Chat :P
00:36:38 <prooftechnique> Internet Resistor Chat is so much more militant, though
00:38:01 <oerjan> Internet Relay Capacitors
00:38:42 <oerjan> Internet Tube Chat, obviously.
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00:52:00 <Destructible> hello
00:53:25 <Marcela_Gandara1> hol
00:56:30 <Destructible> I got kicked from chat for covfefe memes
00:57:39 <Marcela_Gandara1> quien sabe como instalar una impresara HP Deskjet 1000 a mi canaima(linux)?
00:58:09 <Destructible> no hablas espanol
00:58:59 <zzo38> Sorry I am not so good at Spanish, this is the English IRC. Try the Spanish IRC.
00:59:23 <Destructible> (I was saying I don't speak spanish :P)
01:00:04 <zzo38> Yes I know that much of Spanish at least
01:00:13 <zzo38> But I reply to Marcela_Gandara1
01:01:10 <shachaf> `bienvenido Marcela_Gandara1
01:01:12 <HackEgo> Marcela_Gandara1: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.)
01:06:29 <Destructible> ok
01:06:47 <Destructible> so, I have made two esolangs. would these be appreciated on the wiki
01:07:11 <Destructible> they aren't bf derivatives, though the second one is kind of similar
01:07:51 <zzo38> You can post so that we can see.
01:09:39 <Destructible> ok
01:11:11 <Destructible> https://github.com/Destructible-Watermelon/turtl-d/
01:11:27 <Destructible> (that's the second one)
01:11:48 <Destructible> https://github.com/Destructible-Watermelon/Woefully
01:12:08 <Destructible> that one is a mega tarpit with a different kind of control flow than I have encountered before
01:12:33 <Destructible> it has no explicit conditionals
01:13:06 <Destructible> the closest thing to a conditional is multiplying a value by 1 or zero and then moving that many to get to a different state
01:13:39 <Destructible> Is it good? The woefully has a docs md file
01:15:44 <zzo38> I looked; perhaps example should be added on, too
01:15:55 <zzo38> And then these two thing can be posted on wiki.
01:16:03 <Destructible> The woefully is actually such a tarpit that I haven't made anything more complex than a repunit generator
01:16:27 <Destructible> I do believe it is TC though
01:17:47 <zzo38> Unless you have a proof you should not add category to specify is TC.
01:17:49 <Destructible> you could emulate a minsky machine with the state moving the pointer
01:18:08 <Destructible> I can't sketch an absolute proof, but I can explain why it is TC
01:18:38 <Destructible> If I made a bf interpreter in this I would be very surprised with myself
01:18:53 <zzo38> Then you can add such a explanation to wiki. This program is MIT license; you can link to such program, but the test you will add into wiki should be public domain. OK
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01:21:16 <zzo38> I am working on making Z-machine implementation in MMIX; do you like this?
01:21:28 <Destructible> links? I do not get it
01:22:39 <zzo38> This is a part of the program so far: http://sprunge.us/McGB (there may be some mistakes in it, maybe, though)
01:23:07 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQSdlbw3es
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01:34:01 <Destructible> interesting
01:36:49 <Destructible> z-machine is good probably
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01:44:23 <\oren\> the first episode of pokemon aired in 1997
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01:50:06 <Destructible> I might try making an esolang page... but I'm kind of lazy
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01:51:21 <zzo38> Do you know any MMIX programming and/or any Z-machine programming? I wrote a document about Z-machine programming actually.
01:58:42 <Destructible> none
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02:04:17 <rdococ> Piana
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02:05:03 <Destructible> what
02:07:14 <oerjan> rdococ is secretly a relative of `words
02:07:20 <oerjan> `words spanish
02:07:23 <HackEgo> Argument "spanish" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148.
02:07:28 <oerjan> darn
02:07:38 <rdococ> `words english
02:07:38 <oerjan> `words --spanish
02:07:39 <HackEgo> Argument "english" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148.
02:07:40 <HackEgo> lasenussanglia
02:07:45 <rdococ> `words --english
02:07:46 <HackEgo> Unknown option: english
02:07:50 <oerjan> `words 50 --spanish
02:07:51 <HackEgo> sistaparo detud disch panadamerla invió avigine sacári tli pana dícultar disen aber estia bras los graus estica ador protel bon palmarchlanar oeriento envir oresicia hernitab
02:08:18 <oerjan> `words 50 --canadian-english-insane
02:08:19 <HackEgo> ira chic infustrate agedamen cutchalockin dorsed kozuwainirogogue supernic humated ency headator lenacensel int explancram bologill stryophylar isosod dultitlinic gainewscal ichrobri flate serabolime port kolksikhay counderstor
02:08:35 <rdococ> ?
02:08:42 <rdococ> `words --british-english
02:08:43 <HackEgo> Unknown option: british-english
02:08:48 <rdococ> er
02:08:55 <oerjan> `words -l
02:08:55 <HackEgo> valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M
02:09:05 <rdococ> `words --eng-gb
02:09:07 <HackEgo> ahin
02:09:13 <rdococ> what would the difference be between -gb and -us?
02:09:15 <rdococ> `words 50 --eng-gb
02:09:17 <HackEgo> abad homo grierpenned crucle aflf num spaien bria fartil onftc mech copol peda illa coudeter crentur machich hyda form malike hofstrue ate pyn ched remen
02:09:18 <oerjan> looks very british
02:09:22 <rdococ> `words 50 --eng-us
02:09:23 <HackEgo> that neffuserang bayshi toodbner esch brain bout oka tsystra adent stur conic buku bartgan svigate ovea kelinaia faut jiere repubilior insuno kathion sticallgl circhical gram
02:09:30 <oerjan> rdococ: the datasets they're generated from, presumably.
02:09:34 <rdococ> ah
02:10:13 <rdococ> pisen
02:10:19 <rdococ> `? rdococ
02:10:21 <HackEgo> rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. Additionally, almost all of his wisdom entries are bad.
02:10:46 <rdococ> `le//rn rdococ//rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a complex relative of `words.
02:10:49 <HackEgo> Relearned 'rdococ': rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a complex relative of `words.
02:13:58 <rdococ> internet has gone to siht
02:14:04 <rdococ> `? rdococ
02:14:05 <HackEgo> rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a complex relative of `words.
02:14:08 <rdococ> `le//rn rdococ//rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a relative of `words.
02:14:10 <HackEgo> Relearned 'rdococ': rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a relative of `words.
02:15:49 <Destructible> spam!!!!11!!1
02:21:03 <rdococ> bham1!!1
02:22:28 <zzo38> I have looked at Marc LeBrun's "Computist Quiz", and some of the stuff listed there is stuff that I have used before anyways, so I will already know the answer. This includes the (x&-x) and the numeric sorting of text (without converting the text into numbers at first), and also the "alternating series of 0 and 1".
02:23:31 <zzo38> (The other questions I do not know the answer of though.)
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03:19:12 <zzo38> I invented "SET->BCOM optimization" for Z-machine codes. It is used when a SET instruction sets a local or global variable to a constant value. For ZIP/EZIP, it remains SET if the number is 0 to 255 and is converted to BCOM otherwise.
03:20:14 <zzo38> For XZIP/YZIP, it remains SET if the number is 0 to 255, becomes BCOM if the number is -256, otherwise becomes ADD if the number is 256 to 510, otherwise becomes MUL if the number is a product of two numbers in range 3 to 255, otherwise remains SET.
03:20:29 <zzo38> (O, and also becomes SUB if the number is -255 to -1.)
03:42:28 <oerjan> ooh, i was afraid my computer had rebooted, but it only hibernated
03:44:57 <oerjan> just as i was posting today's magnum PPCG opus.
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04:50:06 <\oren\> oerjan: I hate when computers hibernate
04:50:29 <shachaf> `hi bernate
04:50:30 <HackEgo> Hi bernate. Hernate.
04:50:52 <shachaf> hi, bear nate
04:50:54 <shachaf> `5 w
04:50:59 <HackEgo> 1/2:shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj//shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj is the reason why the USA don't use the metric system. \ culprits//c[uw]lprits lists the nicks responsible for a file or wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits FILE or `cwlprits ENTRY \ croissont supplier//See misspellings of croissant \ oops//OOPS (Obligatory Oblivious PunS) is a variant of OOP. \ typoerj
04:51:08 <shachaf> `n
04:51:09 <HackEgo> 2/2:an//typoerjan is oerjan's clumsy twin.
04:51:34 <shachaf> How many twins does oerjan have?
04:51:50 <shachaf> `` grwp -l twin
04:51:52 <HackEgo> ​* \ ☾_ \ c# \ myname \ orin \ örjan \ ørjan \ pico \ sewerjan \ twint-e \ typoerjan \ אrjan
04:52:08 <shachaf> `` grwp twin | grwp rjan | wc -l
04:52:10 <HackEgo> 20
04:52:17 <shachaf> `` grwp twin | grep rjan | wc -l
04:52:18 <HackEgo> 5
05:06:41 <oerjan> `dowg shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj
05:06:50 <HackEgo> 3457:2013-08-21 <boil̈y> learn shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj is the reason why the USA don\'t use the metric system.
05:07:35 <oerjan> @ask boily is `? shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj another thing you won't admit to?
05:07:35 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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05:56:26 <\oren\> `5 w
05:56:31 <HackEgo> 1/2:second wisdom//The second wisdom is that wisdom can never be complete or consistent. \ brontosaurus//A brontosaurus is an ancient mythological creature. They were well known for having mapoles for teeth. \ eliot//Eliot inverted cats, then Taneb stole his inversion. \ userweps//boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter \ itidus20//itidus20's
05:56:39 <\oren\> `n
05:56:40 <HackEgo> 2/2:entry has been censored.
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06:17:37 <\oren\> `5 w
06:17:42 <HackEgo> 1/2:glass//I can eat glass and it doesn't hurt me. -- http://www.savagechickens.com/2016/05/new-diet.html \ sat solving technique//There are many SAT solving techniques, but none are completely satisfactory. \ death//Death is known to be a major health hazard, causing complete decomposition of the body in many cases. \ fnord//? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ ta
06:17:45 <\oren\> `n
06:17:46 <HackEgo> 2/2:nebvention//Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex.
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06:23:10 <shachaf> `? necessity
06:23:11 <HackEgo> If necessity did not exist, it would be necessary for Taneb to invent it.
06:23:33 <shachaf> `? possibility
06:23:34 <HackEgo> If possibility did not exist, it would not be possible for Taneb not to invent it.
06:36:35 <rdococ> probably
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07:13:45 <oerjan> `dowg certainly
07:13:52 <HackEgo> 10992:2017-06-02 <wob_jonäs> `` echo >> wisdom/certainly; echo >> wisdom/certainty; head wisdom/certain*y \ 9201:2016-10-09 <shachäf> slwd certainly//s#at least it#it certainly# \ 2418:2013-03-12 <ellioẗt> revert 2416 \ 2417:2013-03-12 <Sgëo> revert 2243 \ 2372:2013-03-04 <Jafët> cp wisdom/certain{t,l}y && sed -i \'s/ty/ly/\' wisdom/certa
07:14:14 <oerjan> `dowg certainty
07:14:14 <shachaf> `? certainly
07:14:15 <HackEgo> We don't know what certainly is for sure, but it certainly isn't a functor.
07:14:22 <HackEgo> 10992:2017-06-02 <wob_jonäs> `` echo >> wisdom/certainly; echo >> wisdom/certainty; head wisdom/certain*y \ 9202:2016-10-09 <oerjän> slwd certainty//s/at least/we have certainty that/ \ 2418:2013-03-12 <ellioẗt> revert 2416 \ 2417:2013-03-12 <Sgëo> revert 2243 \ 2371:2013-03-04 <boil̈y> echo -n "We don\'t know what certainty is for sure, b
07:14:48 <oerjan> hm it was boily who used -n for some reason.
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07:18:17 <oerjan> `cwlprits buritto
07:18:21 <oerjan> `cwlprits burito
07:18:25 <oerjan> `cwlprits burrito
07:18:25 <HackEgo> wob_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs
07:18:28 <HackEgo> wob_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs
07:18:32 <HackEgo> b_jonäs
07:18:38 <oerjan> `cwlprits burritto
07:18:45 <HackEgo> wob_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs
07:21:07 <shachaf> `? buritto
07:21:08 <HackEgo> buritto? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
07:21:13 <oerjan> `4 `\? "rules of wisdom"
07:21:14 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while lo
07:21:21 <oerjan> `4 \? "rules of wisdom"
07:21:24 <HackEgo> 1/3:unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no spa
07:21:33 <oerjan> yepp
07:21:58 <oerjan> shachaf: he deleted the others today
07:22:14 <shachaf> `? burrito
07:22:15 <HackEgo> Burritos are like Monads, according to Joe. See https://byorgey.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/abstraction-intuition-and-the-monad-tutorial-fallacy/
07:22:30 <shachaf> Such a b_jonasdom.
07:28:44 <oerjan> `? covfefe
07:28:46 <HackEgo> covfefe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
07:29:11 <oerjan> `learn Covfefe is how you speak when you've had *way* too much coffee.
07:29:13 <HackEgo> Learned 'covfefe': Covfefe is how you speak when you've had *way* too much coffee.
08:03:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[///]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52040&oldid=51992 * Zzo38 * (+107) Implementation in JavaScript
08:16:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Woefully]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52041 * Destructible watermelon * (+3691) Created page with "Woefully is a programming language based on lines made of spaces. It uses a unique type of control flow, featuring no explicit conditionals, and is believed TC, though it is t..."
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09:13:34 <hppavilion[1]> `? russell's teapot
09:13:38 <HackEgo> Russell's Teapot / Short and stout / Orbits near Mars / Or thereabout. / If you see it / Let us know / If you don't / What does that show?
09:14:10 <hppavilion[1]> `slwd Russell's Teapot//s/Russell's Teapot/Russell's little Teapot/
09:14:11 <HackEgo> Roswbud!
09:14:15 <hppavilion[1]> `? russell's teapot
09:14:16 <HackEgo> Russell's Teapot / Short and stout / Orbits near Mars / Or thereabout. / If you see it / Let us know / If you don't / What does that show?
09:14:23 <hppavilion[1]> Hm.
09:14:51 <hppavilion[1]> `le/rn Russell's Teapot//Russell's little Teapot / Short and stout / Orbits near Mars / Or thereabout. / If you see it / Let us know / If you don't / What does that show?
09:14:54 <HackEgo> Relearned 'russell's teapot': Russell's little Teapot / Short and stout / Orbits near Mars / Or thereabout. / If you see it / Let us know / If you don't / What does that show?
09:14:58 <rdococ> I'm tired
09:15:00 <hppavilion[1]> There, now the meter works.
09:15:21 <rdococ> I'm working on a fictional material suitable for my hypercomputational idea
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09:16:58 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: Oh?
09:17:27 <rdococ> "Multium". Unusual material which technically resides outside of any universes, in the multiverse - but can be seen and interacted with in every universe. As a result, it has proven handy for communication with other universes.
09:19:48 <oerjan> clearly what Multivac is made of.
09:21:47 <rdococ> meh, maybe
09:25:11 <rdococ> though I feel like there's problems with it
09:26:45 <rdococ> if one device wants to spread an infinite amount of computational load across infinite universes, it could send a signal through to them.
09:27:06 <rdococ> but every other device in every universe which is semi-indistinguishable from them also wants to do that.
09:28:54 <rdococ> and what if other devices want a different computational problem solving and get the wrong answer?
09:29:57 <rdococ> hm, what I think I need for it to work is a whole server which resides outside of any of these universes
09:31:20 <rdococ> we need the ability to 1) target a specific universe and 2) allow that universe to target us back
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10:34:23 <Destructible> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Woefully
10:34:26 <Destructible> there
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10:43:32 <Destructible> aw
10:43:49 <Destructible> yeah so I'm banned from the chat for a week
10:43:55 <Destructible> because of covfefe
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12:02:27 <zzo38> I thought of a kind of variant syntax of Kangaroo esolang, which is "nameless syntax", where the example program becomes: ,1;2
12:04:24 <zzo38> Do you like this?
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14:21:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52042&oldid=52037 * Timtomtoaster * (+83) /* eWagon2 */
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14:36:12 <lukeoftheaura> hi
14:40:28 <zzo38> Hello
14:53:13 <lukeoftheaura> my brother had an idea for an esolang recently based on the capchalog(?) system
14:53:15 <lukeoftheaura> from homestuck
14:53:34 <zzo38> I don't know how that is working
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14:53:42 <zzo38> You can figure out how to make, though.
14:53:43 <lukeoftheaura> neither do I
14:53:52 <lukeoftheaura> he just said "hey, that'd be a cool idea"
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17:34:12 <zzo38> Apparently iPhone has its own PNG format, which adds a "CgBI" chunk (I don't know what its contents are), and swaps red and blue, and uses premultiplied alpha.
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17:35:30 <zzo38> (I don't know what the letters stand for either, although the initial uppercase "C" would indicate that programs that do not know about it will not try to read it anyways, and the lowercase "g" indicates that it is an unofficial extension.)
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18:29:07 <pikhq> That's odd, but it sounds like they're doing it to more closely match their GPU texture formats.
18:38:48 <int-e> http://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/CgBI_file_format has (very little) further information.
18:38:48 <\oren\> konosuba is a good amine
18:39:10 <int-e> premultiplied alpha makes a lot of sense in context.
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20:01:06 <shachaf> Taneb: do you want this listed as a Tanebvention hth
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20:26:28 <Taneb> `? this
20:26:29 <HackEgo> this is a word
20:26:53 <shachaf> `dowg this
20:27:00 <HackEgo> 2177:2013-02-19 <olsnër> learn this is a word
20:36:39 <shachaf> That works too.
20:36:42 <shachaf> `5 w
20:36:48 <HackEgo> 1/2:¯\_(ツ)_/¯//¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is the ¯\(°​_o)/¯ of urbandictionary \ myndzi//myndzi used to keep us all on our feet. \ brontosaurus//A brontosaurus is an ancient mythological creature. They were well known for having mapoles for teeth. \ 10//10 = 10 in every base. \ lem//Stanisław Lem was a Polish logician who discovered the law of exclude
20:36:50 <shachaf> `n
20:36:50 <HackEgo> 2/2:d middle.
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21:10:17 <int-e> ^celebrate
21:10:17 <fungot> \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
21:10:27 <int-e> . o O ( the first third is still there )
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22:06:30 <olsner> fungot: :)
22:06:31 <fungot> olsner: you're the real user plof. :p hee. eli terveisiä! :p? predicate
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22:38:40 <zzo38> Now I do have JPEG encoder and decoder with my Farbfeld Utilities, although it isn't a very good encoder (although this may be corrected later on).
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23:44:35 <izabera> a language has no recursion and the only kind of loops are for loops over an arbitrarily large but bounded range of integers
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23:44:45 <izabera> how do you prove that it's not turing complete?
23:47:55 <alercah> show that computation always halts
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00:32:22 <shachaf> sleffy: Sometime we should talk about derivatives and linear types.
00:32:30 <sleffy> oooooooh
00:32:37 <sleffy> that sounds delicious
00:32:55 <sleffy> I heard type derivatives give you generalized ADT zippers
00:33:05 <shachaf> Sort of.
00:33:18 <shachaf> do you understand tangent bundles twh
00:33:32 <sleffy> `? twh
00:33:34 <HackEgo> twh would help, but is an hth derivative. hth. twh. hand.
00:33:42 <sleffy> shachaf, lol no
00:33:57 <sleffy> I need to learn more category theory but I haven't really gotten past the basics
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00:39:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52043&oldid=52017 * Zzo38 * (+0)
00:39:40 <shachaf> I don't think it's category theory.
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00:43:59 <sleffy> shachaf, I see "bundle", I think fiber bundle
00:44:09 <sleffy> I think fiber bundle, I think topology/category theory
00:44:38 <shachaf> Topology, sure.
00:44:54 <sleffy> Well, I don't know topology either lol
00:46:28 <shachaf> `? topology
00:46:29 <HackEgo> Topology is another name for topos theory.
00:46:34 <shachaf> `? topos
00:46:35 <HackEgo> topos? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:46:58 <shachaf> `dowg topology
00:47:06 <HackEgo> 6131:2015-10-25 <tsweẗt> learn Topology is another name for topos theory. \ 6130:2015-10-25 <tsweẗt> learn Topology is the study of toposes.
00:47:15 <shachaf> `5 w
00:47:20 <HackEgo> 1/1:taiwan//Taiwan is a country of which the United Nations denies the existence, just like Macedonia is. \ no//No means hi. \ morphology//Morphology is the theory that you can never have enough phở. boily invented it. \ herbalist//An herbalist is a list of herbas. \ supermarionation//Supermarionation is another name for the mushroom kingdom.
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05:01:13 <Destructible> eyyyy
05:06:23 <rdococ> yyyye
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05:34:39 <oerjan> hi hi
05:34:51 <doesthiswork> world world
05:35:06 <rdococ> ! !
05:35:48 <zzo38> OK OK
05:39:00 <rdococ> planet planet
05:41:50 <zzo38> I don't know how "normal" will be consider my idea in MMIX programming to store a VM memory at the beginning of the text segment instead of in the data segment (although I think you almost certainly would not do that if you were compiling from C instead of writing in assembly language)
05:44:32 <zzo38> Nevertheless, because the text segment has address 0, and is still read/write, although normally it is used to store the program rather than data (VM memory will be considered data to this program, rather than native instructions), the fact that its address is zero seems very convenient to me.
05:50:46 <Destructible> mhmm
05:51:13 <Destructible> jk I have no idea
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05:51:44 <Destructible> did you see my woefully article?
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05:54:31 <zzo38> Yes I did see
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06:06:42 <rdococ> yay yay
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07:05:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Woefully]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52044&oldid=52041 * Oerjan * (-58) Clean up a bit
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08:04:00 <NotIronY> Much appreciated oerjan
08:04:02 <NotIronY> I needed that
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08:04:12 <IronY> Sorry about the spam, all done testing
08:06:24 <myname> i'd love an example program for woefully
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09:08:42 <\oren\> 爆裂爆裂ラララ
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09:10:37 <\oren\> 爆裂爆裂ラララ
09:13:30 <\oren\> http://www.bakuretsu.me/
09:17:49 <int-e> `unidecode ラララ
09:17:50 <HackEgo> ​[U+30E9 KATAKANA LETTER RA] [U+30E9 KATAKANA LETTER RA] [U+30E9 KATAKANA LETTER RA]
09:19:32 <\oren\> int-e: ?
09:20:06 <int-e> well they looked identical in my font
09:20:22 <oerjan> shocking
09:20:25 <int-e> but I wasn't sure whether that was due to the font
09:21:06 <int-e> yes, shocking indeed
09:21:16 <int-e> lambdabot finally builds out of the box with ghc.... 8.0.2.
09:21:32 <int-e> (since 3 days now)
09:22:11 <\oren\> らラ㋶
09:22:19 <rdococ> yay
09:22:23 <int-e> `unidecode ㋶
09:22:24 <HackEgo> ​[U+32F6 CIRCLED KATAKANA RA]
09:22:34 <int-e> (that one is a box)
09:23:04 <int-e> `unidecode ら
09:23:05 <HackEgo> ​[U+3089 HIRAGANA LETTER RA]
09:23:13 <int-e> notr unexpected.
09:23:39 <int-e> (I swear the extra "r" was an accident)
09:23:51 <\oren\> りリ
09:24:41 <\oren\> かカ力
09:25:24 <int-e> [CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-529B] <-- I love these descriptive names
09:26:00 <\oren\> え?まじ力とカタカナのカは俺のフォントで同じ?!
09:26:39 <\oren\> that's a problem I'll need to solve!
09:27:24 <oerjan> `multicode BOX
09:27:26 <HackEgo> U+0042 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B \ UTF-8: 42 UTF-16BE: 0042 Decimal: &#66; \ B (b) \ Lowercase: U+0062 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+004F LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O \ UTF-8: 4f UTF-16BE: 004f Decimal: &#79; \ O (o) \ Lowercase: U+006F \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0058 LATIN C
09:27:37 <oerjan> `unicode BOX
09:27:39 <HackEgo> U+0042 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B \ UTF-8: 42 UTF-16BE: 0042 Decimal: &#66; \ B (b) \ Lowercase: U+0062 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+004F LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O \ UTF-8: 4f UTF-16BE: 004f Decimal: &#79; \ O (o) \ Lowercase: U+006F \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0058 LATIN C
09:27:49 <oerjan> sheesh
09:28:08 <oerjan> `unicode LETTER
09:28:10 <HackEgo> U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A \ UTF-8: 41 UTF-16BE: 0041 Decimal: &#65; \ A (a) \ Lowercase: U+0061 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0042 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B \ UTF-8: 42 UTF-16BE: 0042 Decimal: &#66; \ B (b) \ Lowercase: U+0062 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0043 LATIN C
09:28:17 <int-e> ...
09:28:17 <\oren\> int-e: yeah, they could at least have included the meaning
09:28:30 <oerjan> i guess they don't have any named *BOX*
09:28:51 <int-e> `unicode CIRCLED KATAKANA RA
09:28:51 <HackEgo> ​㋶
09:28:57 <int-e> too much magic.
09:29:25 <\oren\> `unicode SQURE
09:29:26 <HackEgo> No output.
09:29:30 <\oren\> `unicode SQUARE
09:29:32 <HackEgo> U+005B LEFT SQUARE BRACKET \ UTF-8: 5b UTF-16BE: 005b Decimal: &#91; \ [ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \ \ U+005D RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET \ UTF-8: 5d UTF-16BE: 005d Decimal: &#93; \ ] \ Category: Pe (Punctuation, Close) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \ \ U+033B COMBINI
09:30:05 <int-e> `unicode SNOWMAN
09:30:08 <HackEgo> ​☃
09:30:20 <\oren\> `unicode LAMDA
09:30:21 <HackEgo> U+039B GREEK CAPITAL LETTER LAMDA \ UTF-8: ce 9b UTF-16BE: 039b Decimal: &#923; \ Λ (λ) \ Lowercase: U+03BB \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+03BB GREEK SMALL LETTER LAMDA \ UTF-8: ce bb UTF-16BE: 03bb Decimal: &#955; \ λ (Λ) \ Uppercase: U+039B \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \
09:31:02 <\oren\> it's a ridiculous error but somehow they made the error anyway
09:31:21 <\oren\> `unicode MONDAY
09:31:22 <HackEgo> No output.
09:31:22 <oerjan> \oren\: it's actually spelled without B in modern greek.
09:31:37 <oerjan> that's the official reason, i believe.
09:32:54 <\oren\> gah, but then why not name other characters as tranliterations of their native names
09:33:39 <oerjan> like which ones?
09:34:44 <oerjan> `unidecode л
09:34:45 <HackEgo> ​[U+043B CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EL]
09:34:52 <\oren\> how do you say "o with slash" in danish
09:35:01 <oerjan> Ø
09:35:16 <\oren\> `unidecode Ø
09:35:17 <HackEgo> ​[U+00D8 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH STROKE]
09:35:32 <\oren\> see? not a transliteration here
09:35:41 <int-e> hmm, ▤▥▦▧▨▩
09:36:17 <oerjan> \oren\: well, the cyrillic letter i just gave was
09:36:49 <oerjan> `unidecode ы
09:36:50 <HackEgo> ​[U+044B CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER YERU]
09:37:01 <oerjan> ok, that is an _obsolete_ name.
09:37:13 <oerjan> or well
09:37:21 <oerjan> it may be from a different language.
09:38:04 <int-e> unicode royalty: ⛁⛃🂭🂽🃍🃝🂮🂾🃎🃞♕♛♔♚👸🤴
09:39:18 <shachaf> That is a ⫝̸ list
09:39:52 <oerjan> `unidecode ⫝̸
09:39:53 <HackEgo> ​[U+2ADC FORKING]
09:40:54 <int-e> shachaf: yeah I stumbled upon that one, too.
09:41:11 <shachaf> And TUQUEEN, I suppose.
09:42:15 <shachaf> my face when i have to fast for a long time before being permitted to proceed with my coronation: 🤔
09:45:43 <int-e> I shouldn't have done this... now I need to reload the log (and then change the encoding... again) for every thing shachaf says.
09:54:45 <shachaf> Why do you need to change the encoding?
09:55:42 <int-e> because Firefox is stupid and assigns a iso8859-1 character set to http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/17.06.04
09:56:13 <oerjan> just be glad it doesn't insist on saving it as a file hth
09:56:21 <int-e> and does that every single time you reload.
09:56:34 <int-e> oerjan: true that was awful.
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10:08:25 <int-e> Wow I really shouldn't read news... "ringless voice mail"... what an atrocity. So angry now.
10:12:11 <oerjan> wat
10:19:22 <int-e> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/business/phone-ringless-voicemail-fcc-telemarketer.html is the link
10:21:31 <int-e> just appalled by the brazen attitude that allows those people to say that since the phone didn't ring it wasn't a call, and that receiving such voice mail doesn't inconvenience anybody.
10:24:39 <rdococ> voiceless ring mail
10:25:32 <int-e> audacity, audacity, audacity. (had trouble remembering this word)
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10:31:04 <Taneb> int-e, it comes from the Latin "audax" meaning "daring" or "audacious"
10:33:37 <int-e> Taneb: I know what it means; I wanted to call those telemarketers audacious, but couldn't remember the word... it took me a while to home in on "brazen", and then I did a synonym search.
10:35:04 <Taneb> int-e, I mean to say, I remember it by its etymoligy
10:35:10 <Taneb> *etymology
10:35:40 <int-e> Ah, okay. I'm not sure that this is transferrable in my case.
10:37:06 <oerjan> `? itymology
10:37:08 <HackEgo> Itymology is the science of understanding the true meaning of a statement.
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11:41:51 <lukeoftheaura> does an esolang exist that has data stored as hex values in the file?
11:43:14 <lukeoftheaura> like, representing the number 64 as a character with the hex value 0x40 as opposed to the characters "64"?
11:45:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Abc]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52046 * Olegispe * (+1168) /* Abc */
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14:16:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EWagon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52052&oldid=52051 * Timtomtoaster * (+2) /* Evil plans (again, both versions) */
14:19:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EWagon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52053&oldid=52052 * Timtomtoaster * (+0) /* Using the interpreter (both versions) */
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15:45:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Woefully]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52059 * Enoua5 * (+258) Created page with "Can you give some clarification on what the language does when the IP comes to the end/beginning of a line, as well as stating whether the program starts in text or decimal I/..."
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15:50:28 <Taneb> `quote experimenting
15:50:29 <HackEgo> 432) <Taneb> Well, I'm now experimenting with clients <fizzie> It doesn't sound like good PR to say that out loud.
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19:24:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brain-Flak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52063&oldid=50954 * CatIsFluffy * (-6) Shorter sum program
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21:31:23 <zzo38> Now I made the program implementing 2 dimensional slew rate.
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01:38:46 <HackEgo> middle worse//Mïðal VVőrszü vvoràði nyëlv spöket af magyar inva̋ðereknek leszármazottai Herefördshirben äppröxima̋tely 1250.
01:38:51 <boily> @massages-loud
01:38:51 <lambdabot> oerjan asked 1d 20h 31m 16s ago: is `? shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj another thing you won't admit to?
01:39:50 <boily> @tell oerjan hellørjan. the boily you have contacted is presently on auto-pilot. please leave a message and I'll get back to you as soon as I regain higher brain functions.
01:39:50 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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03:15:46 <zzo38> I have seen some TV sets have caption on mute, but many newer TV sets I have seen do not have that feature. Do you know why?
03:17:02 <zzo38> Also TV sets and other devices, there is not a button specifically to set the caption, so you have to use another menu. Sometimes there is a quick menu for caption on/off but cannot select which caption to display, only on/off.
03:17:48 <rdococ> i
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08:38:17 <zzo38> I am writing a GIF encoder (even though PNG is much better, it can help for use with programs that use GIF, to use GIF), including some options that may hopefully improve compression in some cases by making better decisions about when to restart the dictionary.
08:40:30 <zzo38> Another option to add in future (although it is not enabled by default, since some programs will not read it properly), is to check for borders and to try to split up the picture (into vertical bands) to see if that can improve compression in some cases.
08:40:50 <zzo38> I do not know how well such things would help, but, do you know?
08:44:23 <shachaf> I wrote a GIF decoder once.
08:45:35 <zzo38> Does it support pictures with multiple pieces and with a background colour?
08:45:59 <shachaf> I think the best way to improve on GIF compression is not to use GIF.
08:46:13 <shachaf> Yes, it supports those.
08:46:17 <shachaf> The disposal method implementation wasn't quite correct, I believe.
08:47:18 <shachaf> It's a bit tricky to figure out what disposal method means in that context, anyway.
08:47:25 <zzo38> Yes, is better to don't use GIF (because PNG is better), although that does not help if other program is not support PNG anyways.
08:47:49 <shachaf> Splitting up the picture to improve LZW compression is interesting. I'm not sure how often it can help.
08:48:36 <shachaf> Some programs treat a GIF image containing multiple image descriptors as an animated GIF and put a small delay between rendering each one.
08:48:45 <zzo38> shachaf: If there is no animation and no disposal method specified, you should probably assume method 1 (do not dispose), I should think?
08:48:45 <shachaf> Even if there isn't a GCT block in between.
08:49:13 <zzo38> Yes I read that too
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09:58:36 <oerjan> @messages-cloudy
09:58:36 <lambdabot> boily said 8h 18m 46s ago: hellørjan. the boily you have contacted is presently on auto-pilot. please leave a message and I'll get back to you as soon as I regain higher brain functions.
09:58:59 <oerjan> @tell boily BRAINS...
09:58:59 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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11:57:22 <boily> `w
11:57:28 <boily> @massages-loud
11:57:28 <lambdabot> oerjan said 1h 58m 29s ago: BRAINS...
11:57:31 <HackEgo> bicategory//Bicategories are just categories where composition is only associative up to an isomorphism.
11:58:33 <int-e> `why
11:58:34 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: why: not found
11:58:46 <int-e> fungot: why?!
11:58:46 <fungot> int-e: well i don't have. but why don't you use a memory-mapped fnord to do with the and keys in the us
12:04:39 <olsner> fungot: how does memory-mapped fnord work?
12:04:41 <fungot> olsner: it is an obfuscated language. in my case
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16:28:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Meta Memes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52068&oldid=51970 * Programmer5000 * (+39)
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17:56:47 <izabera> i got my first thinkpad
17:56:50 <izabera> i hate the nipple thing
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18:55:38 <Taneb> izabera, the trick is to never need to use the mouse ever
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19:07:48 <hppavilion[1]> @metar PAMR
19:07:48 <lambdabot> PAMR 051753Z 00000KT 10SM -RA OVC050 09/08 A2982 RMK AO2 SLP098 P0000 60000 T00940083 10094 20089 53001
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19:16:11 <oerjan> Taneb: sounds tricky
19:29:13 <sleffy> `? tricky
19:29:15 <HackEgo> tricky? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:30:25 <int-e> pfft. looking at TIS-100 again ... how did I miss the hidden messages?
19:30:31 <int-e> "hidden"
19:31:17 <prooftechnique> Like what? I just started playing it again after not looking at it for ages
19:31:40 <int-e> some of the red blocks have a "debug" button that tells a story
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19:33:26 <prooftechnique> Oh, that stuff
19:33:26 <prooftechnique> Yeah, those are kinda fun
19:33:49 <int-e> so they are not really hidden, but I managed to miss them anyway
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21:19:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Oerjan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52069&oldid=51440 * Raddish0 * (+200)
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21:41:43 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Oerjan]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52070&oldid=52069 * Oerjan * (+44) Also, for ordering some time unsigned
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23:08:23 <HackEgo> otp//only ten pounds
23:08:25 <shachaf> `4 w
23:08:29 <HackEgo> 1/1:terminal symbol//A terminal symbol is a terminal condition that makes your parser die eventually. Consult your linguist for medical advice. \ tmyk//tmyk the more overfilled your brain gets. \ resume//A resume is something that you use in order to end a pause in employment. \ ppntat//Pen Pineapple Nutmeg Tamarind Apple Tangerine
23:14:54 <zzo38> Now I made the PNG decoder so that it can decode iPhone format PNG files as well as proper PNG files. Test file: http://www.jongware.com/images/png-gradient_iphone.png
23:16:04 <zzo38> Non-iPhone version: http://www.jongware.com/images/png-gradient.png
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00:07:49 <Sgeo> `olist 1075
00:07:50 <HackEgo> olist 1075: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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00:12:33 <shachaf> `thanks Sgeo
00:12:34 <HackEgo> Thanks, Sgeo. Theo.
00:13:47 <shachaf> Theobromine
00:14:35 <Taneb> Used to be friends with at least one Theo
00:14:40 <Taneb> `quote recursion
00:14:42 <HackEgo> 384) <Taneb> Turned out he got recursion, he just didn't get the return statement
00:14:48 <Taneb> I think that was about a Theo
00:15:14 <shachaf> Not friends with him anymore?
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00:16:38 <Taneb> Was never particularly close to that Theo
00:16:47 <Taneb> Lost touch with every Theo I ever knew though
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00:46:52 <wob_jonas> Do we have a *list for the bitcoin protocol schism?
00:47:03 <shachaf> `coins
00:47:08 <HackEgo> ztschestepcoin 5-loncoin blinifucoin hatercoin olarunticcoin iberacoin excitcoin omecoin emigusforcoin yelcoin zatiocoin hexcoin gallcoin bagcoin syriangycoin impcoin rentcoin frogranscoin bractcoin celcoin
00:47:09 <shachaf> hth
00:47:20 <shachaf> how can i acquire some hatercoin
00:50:56 <wob_jonas> "<zzo38> I have seen some TV sets have caption on mute, but many newer TV sets I have seen do not have that feature. Do you know why?" => TVs do caption? you mean apart from overlaying teletext (with transparent background and no bottom navi elements) on the screen?
00:51:17 <wob_jonas> I didn't know such a feature existed. probably I'm not up to date with how TVs work by like a decade.
00:57:24 <zzo38> You can usually set if you want a transparent or opaque or translucent background, as well as font settings and colours and so on for the captions
00:58:35 <wob_jonas> wait, *font settings* too? you mean you can change the font (not just zoom it or move it around on the screen)? so it's not like DVD captions which are stored as bitmaps?
00:58:52 <wob_jonas> bitmap images that is, not character-based text
01:01:00 <zzo38> Captions are different than subtitles (which are stored as pictures).
01:01:44 <wob_jonas> huh what
01:01:47 <wob_jonas> then what are captions?
01:02:04 <zzo38> What fonts are available depends on the device that displays them (usually the TV set, although I have a DVD player that can decode captions, from TV, video input, VHS, and DVD).
01:02:38 <zzo38> Captions are coded as text, and I think it is better than subtitles. DVDs can have captions as well as subtitles.
01:03:21 <wob_jonas> I see
01:04:40 <zzo38> There are actually four different streams of captions, although usually only the first one is used as far as I can tell, although I did see one television show that mentioned that you could select the third captions if you wanted captions in Spanish.
01:05:48 <zzo38> (I just leave captions on all the time on my TV set anyways, although some shows do not have captions, and sometimes the people who write the captions do not do it properly.)
01:06:42 <wob_jonas> multiple streams isn't too surprising. some TV stations are broadcast with multiple audio streams in different languages.
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01:08:03 <zzo38> Yes, there are sometimes multiple audio streams too, as well as multiple text streams. For digital television there is six text streams I think; analog television has four "CC" text streams and four "TEXT" text streams (the latter seem to never be used as far as I can tell).
01:09:11 <wob_jonas> analog television? isn't that stopped already so that people have to buy new gadgets?
01:09:16 <wob_jonas> I think it is stopped here
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01:13:37 <zzo38> Yes, although the analog captions are still output in the retrace intervals of analog signals if you use them.
01:14:27 <wob_jonas> and that isn't just teletext?
01:15:15 <wob_jonas> hmm no, I think teletext isn't in the retrace intervals
01:15:18 <wob_jonas> but I'm not sure
01:15:41 <shachaf> `coins
01:15:43 <HackEgo> obnbabted!coin lenagecoin triggecoin anocoin wurzellercoin chrcoin soncoin chercoin hpwcoin clefuckcoin carmacoin mechouffcoin nothcoin bandcoin miniumbrancoin unreamcoin legthcoin xandcoin omogovcoin hurcoin
01:15:44 <zzo38> I don't actually know how teletext is working, so I do not know. However, I think teletext can have page numbers.
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01:19:41 <zzo38> HDMI cannot emit captions, so you will have to command the emitting device to include captions in the picture. My own design which is Digi-RGB also does not emit captions (it can emit only the picture and nothing else), but can be used together with a IMIDI interface which may be used to emit captions (as well as other stuff).
01:20:34 <wob_jonas> how about DVI?
01:20:52 <zzo38> DVI is a subset of HDMI and also cannot emit captions.
01:21:30 <zzo38> I do not actually have a television set which can decode captions, although the VCR/DVD combo does, so if other devices are connected through that, then the captions can be displayed. However, setting the captions needs going into the setup menu, which cannot be displayed while a VHS or DVD is playing.
01:21:53 <zzo38> (Subtitles can be switched while a DVD is playing, though.)
01:30:28 <zzo38> Have you used MMIX? Did you write that article on esolang wiki?
01:31:36 <wob_jonas> zzo38: I haven't used MMIX for anything, but I did write the article
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01:33:52 <wob_jonas> I should also write the MIX article at some point
01:34:08 <zzo38> You could see the Deadfish implementation I made in MMIX if you wanted to see one I suppose. Also, MMIX does support for an operating system to require the user program to map stuff if needed, because it does allow permissions (read, write, execute) to be set for each page, so if there is no permission then it is an error so you can detect segmentation errors like that.
01:34:16 <zzo38> And, yes MIX article should also be written.
01:34:34 <zzo38> Do you know what you wanted to write about the strange executable binary format?
01:35:59 <wob_jonas> zzo38: sure, some of the stuff is about the NNIX abi, not just MMIX
01:36:27 <zzo38> (That Deadfish implementation is first program I wrote with MMIX, although I also started writing a Z-machine implementation with MMIX too.)
01:37:03 <wob_jonas> the strange executable binary format? probably just that all the backreferences in the assembly are resolved at program load time
01:37:05 <zzo38> wob_jonas: Yes, although NNIX is not quite a complete system as it is now anyways.
01:37:22 <wob_jonas> also that it doesn't have separate assembly
01:37:46 <zzo38> I mentioned about those references in my user page too I think; I mentioned a few things about MMIX on my user page too (with a link to your MMIX article included).
01:38:18 <wob_jonas> and that it's like a format the assembler spits out in a single pass forward, so all the metadata stuff is mixed with the data, and the data can't just be mapped and then modified in place
01:38:34 <wob_jonas> it has to be all copied wordwise or something
01:38:59 <wob_jonas> if you wanted to use MMIX with a real OS, you'd just use ELF
01:39:02 <zzo38> Yes, that is what it look like to me too, when I looked at it. It mean assembler can make output by one pass.
01:39:17 <zzo38> I think GNU MMIX does support ELF?
01:39:31 <wob_jonas> mind you, you wouldn't want to use MMIX for real stuff, for other reasons, but you could fix those other problems without breaking most of the user-space MMIX programs
01:40:15 <wob_jonas> that's what I'd guess, since gnu binutils already supports ELF for multiple platforms, it wouldn't be difficult to do that
01:40:51 <wob_jonas> they'd still have to add some arch-specific stuff into it and the dynamic linker of course
01:40:51 <zzo38> You can still make the operating system that still uses the existing NNIX functions, but can add other stuff too, including other binary formats too I suppose.
01:41:19 <wob_jonas> sure, the syscalls are compatible. some existing systems have multiple sets of syscalls too
01:42:39 <wob_jonas> and even the memory mapping policy can differ per executable
01:43:20 <zzo38> Yes it can do too
01:43:28 <wob_jonas> the real deal breaker is the no memory protection in kernel mode, but you can probably fix that in such a way that userspace doesn't notice
01:44:22 <zzo38> I think you can do without memory protection in kernel mode
01:44:25 <wob_jonas> (the slow interrupt mechanisms is not a deal-breaker, because other systems got around with a slow interrupt mechanism for decades until it got fixed, and it could be fixed without changing the cpu by changing only the ABI I think)
01:44:48 <wob_jonas> zzo38: not in the real world, no. you'd just have bugs undetected that way.
01:45:20 <wob_jonas> even if you put most of the kernel to run into userspace
01:46:09 <zzo38> You can use an external device that looks on the address bus if you really need to I suppose, to detect memory errors while testing, or modify the emulator to test your specific kernel program
01:46:36 <wob_jonas> zzo38: well sure, if you want technical wins
01:46:47 <wob_jonas> so you add another chip because the mmix itself can't do what you want
01:46:51 <wob_jonas> that works
01:48:10 <wob_jonas> what I would really like to know about CPU architecture is whether there's some realistic way to get x86_64 to have a feature where (non-huge) pages are larger (say 8K or 16K) and get real practical systems to use this feature
01:48:45 <zzo38> You will need other chips for I/O anyways, but in the case I specified it is possible that you might need only for testing, possibly; still, other extensions are possible such as an implementation of MMIX that has additional special registers for controlling such additional functions.
01:48:58 <wob_jonas> that's a question partly of whether you can get the kernel and userspace to cooperate with mandatory larger pages (so they can't expect per-4K mmaps) and whether the cpu caches can be rigged to handle this properly
01:49:32 <wob_jonas> because x86_64 with larger page sizes would be really rad
01:49:54 <wob_jonas> but you can only do it globally, as in, all pages have to be that size
01:49:58 <wob_jonas> not just half the pages
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03:17:07 <MDude> junk
03:17:09 <MDude> ?
03:17:17 <MDude> Dangit, I'm tying to ctrl+f here
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06:38:53 <\oren\> god damn it paradox
06:39:40 <\oren\> Why is the war between commie china and non-aligned china named "Chinese war on China"?
06:40:07 <\oren\> what a retarded name for a war
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13:13:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * SelfiAS * New user account
13:26:51 <oerjan> . o O ( do we really want to encourage selfies on the wiki )
13:48:18 <int-e> . o O ( a mapole is just a very sturdy, non-expandable selfie stick with no way of attaching a movile phone )
13:48:35 <int-e> vbvbvbvbv
13:53:25 <oerjan> `? vbvbvbvbv
13:53:29 <HackEgo> vbvbvbvbv? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
13:54:59 <int-e> I thought that if I make the string long enough it will blur the distinction between the two letters and thus hide my typo.
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14:01:07 <oerjan> oh. i thought you were spelling out a raspberry.
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14:48:15 <wob_jonas> hahaha! They continue to use the space that an oversized card and no mana cost gives. The new scheme cards have nice full phrase titles again
14:48:30 <wob_jonas> "What's Yours Is Now Mine"
14:48:55 <wob_jonas> next year: Archenemy: Mojo Jojo, another villain fit for scheming
14:49:53 <wob_jonas> "Bow to My Command"
14:50:17 <wob_jonas> pity for the card frames though
14:50:43 <wob_jonas> (M:tG reveals the 20 new scheme cards in the soon to be released Archenemy: Nicol Bolas product)
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15:01:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52071&oldid=52061 * Raddish0 * (+18)
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15:29:49 <wob_jonas> There should be a cycle of four sorcery cards like (Indoctrinate | 4WW | Sorcery | Gain control of target nongreen creature.) (Enthrall | 4UU | Sorcery | Gain control of target nongreen creature.) (Buy Loyalty | 4BB | Sorcery | Gain control of target nongreen creature.) (??? | 4RR | Gain control of target nongreen creature.
15:29:53 <wob_jonas> )
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15:37:23 <int-e> it really doesn't sound like a very red thing to do
15:37:56 <int-e> even if you incite a revolt you would just revel in the carnage and not try to recruit new followers :P
15:38:27 <wob_jonas> int-e: but doesn't red already have the most creature steal effects? they're just temporary. they're flavored as either treason or madness
15:38:28 <int-e> "instigate" may be better
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15:39:55 <int-e> I'd say the temporary aspect is part of the flavor.
15:40:05 <wob_jonas> yeah
15:40:26 <wob_jonas> maybe red shouldn't be able to get such a permanent effect
15:43:20 <rdococ> hi
15:47:24 <wob_jonas> some card names like Brainwash, Blackmail, Dominate, Domineer, Mind Control, Provoke, Puppeteer, Zombify are already taken, but a lot of good card names are free: Conscript, Draft, Embezzle, Hypnotize, Mesmerize, Overpower
15:50:15 <wob_jonas> for white I'd prefer a name that shows that white is the only color that can make a creature serve you and actually like it, and think that serving you is the right thing, what he should have done all along
15:50:24 <wob_jonas> Indoctrinate isn't the right word for that
15:50:36 <wob_jonas> Reeducate isn't either
15:51:47 <wob_jonas> and there's probably censorship so Wizards can't name cards anything like "Labor Camp", "Mind Rape", "Drug"
15:52:28 <wob_jonas> or, whatever they called the camps where they got free labor of high schoolers?
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16:01:23 <wob_jonas> irc connection doesn't work well for some reason. anyway, they're called építőtábor, was associated with KISZ, and probably can't be mentioned on a card either.
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17:40:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52072&oldid=52071 * Raddish0 * (+111)
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18:16:53 <wob_jonas> "http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/mechanical-color-pie-2017-2017-06-05" => "The idea being that blue only wants to transform something when they know what they're going to get, whereas red is willing to take a risk." Maro has betrayed the Simic guild and Experiment Kraj!
18:17:18 <wob_jonas> when has blue cared about knowing the outcome of an experiment in advance?
18:18:43 <wob_jonas> I guess the scheming Nicol Bolas has distorted Maro's mind about what blue should be like
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18:34:16 <\oren\> wob_jonas: lol
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18:46:28 <sleffy> `? mushroom
18:46:29 <HackEgo> mushroom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:47:05 <shachaf> `? tanebventions
18:47:06 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex.
18:47:48 <shachaf> `slwd tanebvention//sa/, s/, mushrooms&/
18:47:49 <HackEgo> ​/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 20: unterminated `s' command
18:47:56 <shachaf> `slwd tanebvention//s/, sa/, mushrooms&/
18:48:00 <HackEgo> tanebvention//Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, mushrooms, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex.
18:49:56 <zzo38> If there is a censor that Wizards of the Coast will not name card with some things, then it mean you can use such name for custom cards if they are going to fit.
18:51:17 <shachaf> But you can do that anyway.
18:52:40 <zzo38> Yes, although it also mean it can't conflict, as long as you know exactly what censor they have! But that seems difficult to know anyways.
18:52:47 <\oren\> Куруру куру куру фува фува тобидашита но
18:52:56 <\oren\> Йахо йахо фуйо фуйо фуйо фуери атама
18:53:05 <\oren\> Пуйо пуйо фува фувари тобидасу йо
18:53:48 <\oren\> now, without googling, what language is the above in?
18:54:54 <\oren\> Атама даке сора ни дёбон атама даке сора ни дёбон урара
18:54:59 <zzo38> Cyrillic, maybe? I don't know.
18:55:04 <\oren\> it
18:55:21 <\oren\> is written in cyrillic, but what language is it?
18:55:30 <zzo38> Cyrillic.
18:56:17 <\oren\> cyrillic is an alphabet not a language. like right now I'm writing english in the latin alphabet
18:56:45 <zzo38> O, OK.
18:57:17 <zzo38> But isn't Latin another different language anyways?
18:57:22 <sleffy> `? cyrillic
18:57:23 <HackEgo> cyrillic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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18:58:00 <\oren\> yes but many languages other than latin use the latin alphabet
18:58:49 <zzo38> Yes. But my guess was that your writing was in Cyrillic language and using Cyrillic alphabets.
19:02:05 <\oren\> there's no language called "cyrillic" though
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19:03:18 <\oren\> shachaf: can you figure it out?
19:04:06 <shachaf> ?
19:04:19 <shachaf> What's the point of a "without looking it up" puzzle?
19:06:55 <rdococ> `help
19:06:55 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch [<output-file>] <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
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19:15:10 <\oren\> anyway the answer is, it's japanese written in the russian alphabet
19:15:14 <\oren\> some russian is going around writing the lyrics to all these J-pop songs in the comments, in russian.
19:15:39 <\oren\> but it's weird because he's using ва, a russian 'va', for the わ/ワ
19:18:43 <wob_jonas> \oren\: like http://www.omniglot.com/conscripts/renglish.htm ?
19:20:04 <wob_jonas> and I still have the suspicion that cyrillic isn't a script or an alphabet, but at least two of them, the Russian script that is also used for Ukranian with modifications, and the Serbian Cyrillic script that is also used for Macedonean and Bulgarian with modifications, and the two got conflated to one script for political reasons
19:28:50 <zzo38> I have written some idea for a kind of variant of MMIX, where the instructions from #01 to #17 are replaced with new ones: FLOP, LDIR, STIR, LDUNO, STUNW, STUNT, STUNO, SMUX, SHIN, SHINU, SHOUT, SHOUTU.
19:31:54 <zzo38> I don't know if you think is ood or whatever though
19:34:15 <wob_jonas> zzo38: what do those instructions do?
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19:35:45 <zzo38> FLOP = floating point operation (the instructions that #01 to #17 used to be, as well as multiple/add together, and reciprocal, and average), LDIR = load indexed register, STIR = store indexed register, LDUNO = load unaligned octa, STUN? = store unaligned ???, SMUX = sideways multiplex (like Muxcomp64), SHIN = shift in, SHOUT = shift out.
19:36:40 <wob_jonas> what's "multiple/add together"?
19:37:07 <zzo38> (Unaligned loads/stores may require multiple memory accesses in order to work)
19:37:21 <zzo38> wob_jonas: It is basically like a fused multiply add.
19:37:55 <wob_jonas> LDIR and STIR sound like bad ideas. would make the implementation of an optimized cpu way harder than for MMIX
19:39:54 <zzo38> They may be as slow as SYNCID in the worst case I guess.
19:40:33 <zzo38> Since a similar thing could be done with SYNCID too
19:42:45 <wob_jonas> LDUNO and STUN? => um, maybe, they sort of go against MMIX flow but could be useful, but do you have the descr of the exact behavior of the exception if you try to store through a page fault boundary?
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19:43:13 <zzo38> That is a good point.
19:43:47 <wob_jonas> and yeah, LDIR and STIR have to handle rolling the register stack too
19:44:15 <wob_jonas> but that might not be worse than other instructions
19:45:23 <wob_jonas> instead of STUN?, wouldn't a store octa with a byte-granular mask be better?
19:45:35 <wob_jonas> load-modify-store
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19:45:57 <wob_jonas> still would be unusual for MMIX I guess
19:46:21 <zzo38> O, I suppose you may be right about a byte-granular mask
19:46:59 <wob_jonas> are SHIN and SHOUT the two outputs of a double shift?
19:47:11 <wob_jonas> or, um
19:47:31 <wob_jonas> the one output of a double shift, in two shift directions
19:48:02 <zzo38> SHIN is shifting left $X and the low bits of $Y are stored in the shifted in bits, and SHOUT is shifting right $X and storing the shifted out bits in $Y.
19:49:47 <wob_jonas> double shifts then. ok.
19:50:16 <wob_jonas> would those come in pairs with immediate versions? immediate shift count is actually useful there
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19:50:54 <zzo38> Yes they do come in pairs with immediate versions.
19:51:15 <zzo38> All of the instructions I listed other than FLOP do have immediate versions too.
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20:00:01 <zzo38> Some of things I have done in making Z-machine implementation on MMIX are stuff that I do not expect any C compiler to ever do (such as storing the VM memory at the beginning of the text segment), and some are stuff that I think a C compiler might do but I don't know whether or not it does.
20:02:24 <zzo38> Do you know?
20:02:28 <wob_jonas> "storing the VM memory at the beginning of the text segment" -- Linux has some magic incantation for allowing you to map stuff to zero address
20:02:43 <wob_jonas> (which is normally unmapped, to catch null pointer dereference bugs)
20:04:01 <zzo38> Yes, that is one of the reasons that a C compiler ordinarily will not do, I think, and why operating system is normally not implement it
20:04:34 <wob_jonas> um... the OS normally not allowing it is a level further than the C compiler ordinarily not doing it
20:04:38 <zzo38> The actual program starts at #20000
20:04:45 <wob_jonas> there's a lot of things the OS does allow but C compilers don't like to do
20:05:31 <zzo38> Yes, it is a further level, and NNIX is different than Linux of course.
20:06:31 <zzo38> What numbers will be needed in ELF to use MMIX and NNIX if you are using with ELF anyways? And then those fields in the ELF header can be used to allow the operating system to implement emulation of other system you can run multiple kind of programs on your computer.
20:09:13 <wob_jonas> "multiple kind of programs on your computer" => hmm, does Linux allow you to mix 16-bit and 32-bit code in an x86_32 executable, and farjump between them quickly without a syscall?
20:10:22 <zzo38> I don't know, although it can execute both 32-bit programs and 64-bit programs on the same operating system.
20:10:33 <wob_jonas> that's different
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20:12:49 <zzo38> Yes, although I did not mean mixing codes in the same program, I just meant that if the operating system and instruction set indication in the ELF header are not the native ones, that it would execute the program using an emulator.
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20:20:19 <zzo38> I think that storing the VM memory at the beginning of the text segment can help with the address decoding in Z-machine, because then you do not have to add the base offset. I have global registers ENDIAN and CENDIAN for endianness, where ENDIAN is 0 for big-endian and 1 for small-endian, while CENDIAN is 0 for small-endian and is 1 for big-endian. With MMIX you can add two addresses together with a LDBU instruction, so this can be use in this way.
20:21:07 <zzo38> Including for reading the Z-machine header, since the Z operand can be a 8-bit immediate number.
20:22:02 <wob_jonas> zzo38: um, can't you instead use an MOR instruction to conditionally reverse endianness?
20:23:25 <wob_jonas> or compiling two emulator versions, one for big endian and one for little endian, and dispatching between them early?
20:23:28 <zzo38> Yes, and I did think of that too, but I decided against it, because in Z-machine there can be unaligned storage.
20:23:44 <wob_jonas> ah, unaligned storage
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20:28:47 <zzo38> (All known Z-machine story files are big-endian, although because of the unaligned memory in Z-machine, it can be made to support both without more difficulty than the unalignment already results with.)
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22:19:15 <shachaf> `? Cale
22:19:16 <HackEgo> Cale? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
22:19:29 <Cale> `? shachaf
22:19:30 <HackEgo> Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions.
22:19:39 <shachaf> Cale sprø som selleri
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22:28:13 <oerjan> <\oren\> now, without googling, what language is the above in? <-- without reading the rest of logs, it seems to have a very similar sound to japanese.
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22:28:58 <oerjan> but maybe not entirely.
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22:32:19 <oerjan> cv syllables, except for a couple ending n's.
22:33:47 <oerjan> "tobidashita no" just has to be japanese, so either it's that or a language which has borrowed a lot from it.
22:34:05 <shachaf> oerjan: he gave away the answer later, it's japanese hth
22:34:12 <oerjan> OKAY
22:35:55 * oerjan has been learning to read cyrillic while learning some russian songs. currently slightly over halfway through Moscow Nights.
22:36:07 <shachaf> I can read some Cyrillic.
22:36:16 <shachaf> But I still usually get mixed up with some of the vowels.
22:36:56 <pikhq_> Yeah, definitely Japanese.
22:37:22 <oerjan> i had the hardest time distinguishing those sh-like letters.
22:37:58 <pikhq_> "tobidasu" is "to jump out" or "to appear suddenly".
22:38:17 <shachaf> Yes, I can barely distinguish the sounds of ш and щ
22:38:30 <pikhq_> So "tobidashita no" would be "(Because) (it) jumped out"
22:38:31 <shachaf> pikhq_: or "to bidasu"
22:38:45 <pikhq_> No, it's a compound of "tobu" and "dasu".
22:39:51 <oerjan> shachaf: i actually meant remembering which letter is which. although the sounds are strange too. i think сь is weirder than both of those.
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22:41:15 <Warrigal> So I thought of how to make object-oriented programming a bit more... Kay-like?
22:41:41 <Warrigal> Object-oriented programming with static typing, I mean.
22:42:10 <Warrigal> The dynamically typed stuff... that's been Kay-like since that one guy *created* object-oriented programming.
22:42:13 <Warrigal> Some guy by the name of Kay.
22:42:27 <Warrigal> Anyway, just do two things.
22:42:39 <Warrigal> One, classes cannot be types. Only interfaces can be types.
22:42:55 <oerjan> so far this song has a particularly tricky "Все здесь".
22:43:23 <zzo38> Warrigal: And then what?
22:43:26 <Warrigal> And two, classes cannot have static members.
22:43:37 <zzo38> OK
22:43:39 <oerjan> * "Всё здесь".
22:43:54 <oerjan> (although the distinction isn't usually written)
22:44:10 <zzo38> Warrigal: I think that can work.
22:44:10 <Warrigal> This means you can't do, say, Console.WriteLine("Hello, world!"), because Console can't have a static method called WriteLine.
22:44:36 <Warrigal> So what do you do? Just make it an instance method? No, because then you'd want to call it like...
22:44:48 <Warrigal> new Console().WriteLine("Hello, world!");
22:45:07 <Warrigal> But there are no constructors. Constructors are static members.
22:45:22 <zzo38> Well, if you can do Console.WriteLine it would mean that Console is not a class, but rather is a object that is already define, or a namespace, or whatever
22:45:29 <Warrigal> Right.
22:45:46 <Warrigal> So what *do* you do?
22:46:04 <Warrigal> Well, there's some type called "Console". It's an interface, of course, not a class.
22:46:20 <zzo38> You will call it on the interface for stdout, or a global function
22:46:28 <Warrigal> So you just have to obtain a Console object and call the method. Perhaps something like...
22:46:40 <Warrigal> obtain Console.WriteLine("Hello, world!");
22:46:59 <Cale> shachaf: I don't know what to make of the хо though
22:47:29 <zzo38> It could be obstain by making the variable which is the Console interface for stdout, and then do.
22:48:08 <Warrigal> So where does the Console object come from? It comes from your object's context object.
22:48:16 <Cale> Wouldn't expect an /x/ sound in Japanese
22:48:54 <pikhq_> Could be an odd transcription?
22:49:16 <Warrigal> When the program object is initially created, it receives a context pointing at "default" obtainment methods for various interfaces.
22:49:40 <Warrigal> When you create additional objects, you can give them the same context, or you can use a different context that behaves differently.
22:49:47 <Warrigal> Now, the point of all this...
22:50:00 <Warrigal> Is that it's impossible to write code which depends on a particular implementation.
22:50:16 <Warrigal> It's *always* possible to substitute your own implementation for whatever the code is expecting.
22:50:21 <pikhq_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillization_of_Japanese
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22:51:40 <Warrigal> So, suppose you have some code which attempts to write to the console. Well, there's no way for it to restrict itself to only use the actual console.
22:51:49 <Warrigal> No matter how it's written, you can supply it with your *own* console instead.
22:52:21 <shachaf> Cale: xo?
22:52:38 <shachaf> Oh, хо
22:54:15 <zzo38> Warrigal: Yes. It can be the console that you pass into the input of your program, I suppose, or something a bit similar
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23:02:01 <shachaf> fungot: are you a fungus bot
23:02:01 <fungot> shachaf: just don't make a line just for a pint. f) ' (
23:02:25 <shachaf> fungot is saying that cocaine is a gateway drug to alcohol
23:02:26 <fungot> shachaf: bloody grannies i tell you guys about this one
23:02:35 <shachaf> bloody grannies
23:03:06 <oerjan> Cale: basically, russian has no "h" sound, and х is the closest.
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23:07:19 <shachaf> Remind me again why the derivative is a functor?
23:07:47 <shachaf> Say you have g : U -> V; f : V -> W
23:08:13 <shachaf> D(f . g)(p) = Df(g(p)) . Dg(p)
23:08:15 <shachaf> Is that right?
23:08:36 <oerjan> although sometimes they use г to translate it instead. E.g. wikipedia's russian phonology article has an example "Адольф Гитлер".
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23:09:42 <oerjan> i think г was a fricative historically, and still is in some dialects.
23:09:53 <shachaf> Is that thing functoriality of D somehow?
23:10:05 <shachaf> Or do you have to use fancier categories to make it work?
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23:12:33 <FireFly> <Cale> shachaf: I don't know what to make of the хо though ← chinese checkers?
23:12:44 <shachaf> HireFly
23:12:50 <FireFly> err, not chinese checkers
23:13:20 <FireFly> five-in-a-row (or tic-tac-toe I guess)
23:13:36 <FireFly> hachaf
23:13:40 <oerjan> a tac-tic blunder
23:13:57 <shachaf> can i HireFly
23:14:02 <FireFly> Probably
23:14:03 <shachaf> what are your rates
23:14:07 <shachaf> what do fireflies eat
23:14:21 <FireFly> Mostly they drink a lot of iced tea this time of the year
23:14:45 <oerjan> shachaf: i think it's a functor if you think of Df as a mapping between tangent bundles
23:15:12 <FireFly> shachaf: I have an interview next monday
23:15:15 <shachaf> How does that work?
23:15:24 <shachaf> FireFly: What kind?
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23:16:15 <oerjan> well at each point x in U you have a tangent space, and that is mapped into the tangent space of g(x).
23:16:20 <\oren\> hmm, they transliterated ジャブジャブ to джабу джабу
23:16:39 <\oren\> seems ledzhit
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23:18:37 <shachaf> FireFly: maybe you'll end up like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Goma
23:19:33 <boily> hellørjan, he\\oren\, helloochaf.
23:19:51 <oerjan> bood evenily
23:19:52 <shachaf> you don't have to helloveryone every time you join the channel
23:20:01 <FireFly> shachaf: oh, the job kind
23:20:17 <oerjan> oh no shachaf's grumpiness as engulfed the porthellos
23:20:18 <FireFly> ...and not at a television company, luckily
23:20:20 <oerjan> *has
23:20:28 <FireFly> so I think the risk of that happening is slim
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23:22:13 <\oren\> boily: what are your opinions on cyrillization of japanese
23:23:22 <FireFly> "Twenty minutes after the television interview, Goma attended his job interview, which lasted ten minutes.[2] He was not hired.[3]"
23:24:26 <shachaf> oerjan: shachaf's grumpiness knows no bounds
23:24:45 <oerjan> aiiyeeh
23:24:46 <int-e> yay I build a sequence sorter... so clumsy.
23:25:01 <shachaf> int-e: Is this TIS-100?
23:25:12 <int-e> yes.
23:25:25 <FireFly> I don't think I ever solved that task…
23:25:44 <int-e> the exposure mask viewer is also evil
23:25:57 <FireFly> that one was fun :D
23:26:31 <FireFly> I managed to solve some of the problems quite efficiently I think
23:26:45 <shachaf> oerjan: So it's the tangent space of f at the point g(p)?
23:27:35 <int-e> FireFly: the exposure mask thingy suffers from a severe lack of registers... wasn't easy to come up with a plan of attack, for me.
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23:30:55 <FireFly> that's the rectangle-drawing one, right? what did the input look like for each rectangle?
23:31:15 <int-e> x,y,w,h
23:33:41 <FireFly> Hmm
23:33:47 <FireFly> I can't remember how I solved that one
23:34:54 <int-e> and a reasonable output would be x,y,3(w times),-1, x,y+1,3(w times),-1, ... x,y+h-1,3(w times),-1.
23:35:16 <FireFly> Yeah, I definitely had `h` as a loop counter in some node
23:35:45 <int-e> anyway I managed this time
23:35:49 <FireFly> \o/
23:36:20 <shachaf> What are some fancy surprising Turing-complete machines?
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23:37:57 <shachaf> I didn't know until recently that a finite state machine with two counters was Turing-complete.
23:39:45 <\oren\> shachaf: hold on what? what operations are allowed on the counters
23:40:53 <shachaf> Increment, decrement, check for zero?
23:41:09 <shachaf> Do you need anything else?
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23:41:43 <int-e> Minsky machine
23:43:01 <int-e> It's very nice, if you don't mind the doubly exponential slowdown compared to a Turing machine :)
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23:43:37 <int-e> \oren\: the counters are unbounded natural numbers
23:46:58 <int-e> FireFly: I picked up the game again yesterday after a 6 month break (or thereabouts); the two things I'm most proud of is that I finally found a use for JRO and ANY (but none for LAST, yet).
23:47:10 <shachaf> int-e: Did you play that other game?
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23:47:22 <shachaf> Shenzhen I/O
23:47:24 <FireFly> JRO is *very* useful once one sees how to use it
23:47:26 <int-e> no
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23:47:48 <FireFly> ANY (and sometimes LAST) are useful for demultiplexing
23:48:28 <shachaf> What's JRO?
23:48:37 <shachaf> Jump relative offset or something like that?
23:48:48 <int-e> "jump relative offset", where the offset can be variable
23:49:15 <shachaf> I'm seeing people talk about it online.
23:49:18 <shachaf> JRO RIGHT
23:49:19 <shachaf> tg
23:49:30 <shachaf> I didn't play this game much. For some reason I think I stopped being able to run it?
23:49:30 <oerjan> <shachaf> oerjan: So it's the tangent space of f at the point g(p)? <-- points have tangent spaces, not functions. at least for this purpose.
23:50:25 <shachaf> I mean the tangent space of the graph of f at the point (p,g(p))
23:50:41 <shachaf> I assume a tangent space of a point only makes sense if it's a point in some space?
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23:51:49 <oerjan> yes.
23:52:12 <oerjan> a differentiable manifold, in particular.
23:52:31 <int-e> FireFly: ANY is the key to really fast image generation :)
23:53:47 <boily> \oren\: like the Russian sushi in Durarara: you have to get used to it.
23:53:55 <int-e> (I have 1187 and 1151 cycle solutions for image test pattern 1 and 2, respectively; I have not compared to others)
23:54:59 <oerjan> ^scramble abcdefghi
23:54:59 <fungot> acegihfdb
23:55:02 <oerjan> ^scramble abcdefghij
23:55:02 <fungot> acegijhfdb
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23:55:25 <oerjan> ^unscramble abcdefghi
23:55:25 <fungot> aibhcgdfe
23:55:28 <oerjan> ^unscramble abcdefghij
23:55:28 <fungot> ajbichdgef
23:56:10 <oerjan> oh not the same
23:56:37 * oerjan was thinking someone had managed to post a PPCG question which fungot already had the brainfuck answer to
23:56:37 <fungot> oerjan: perhaps their children will be italian, too. could be bugs, i'd rather have a scheme version of core wars.
23:57:24 <boily> fungot: nostril. and stop being sentient.
23:57:24 <fungot> boily: but it needs to recompile over half of the boxes has the wrong time, no
23:58:47 <int-e> actually it should be possible to prove that those cycle counts are optimal; 1186 and 1150 are hard lower bounds anyway)
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00:10:35 <boily> random question: is there such a thing as a quantum of probability?
00:13:21 <oerjan> not that i've heard of. (assuming you mean something fundamental rather than an arbitrary unit.)
00:13:46 <shachaf> Are reals necessary for probability?
00:14:33 <shachaf> If so, is there some sort of universal property that characterizes them as such?
00:15:03 <oerjan> @metar ENVA
00:15:03 <lambdabot> ENVA 062250Z 09007KT 040V120 CAVOK 17/08 Q1007 RMK WIND 670FT 15013KT
00:17:46 <oerjan> shachaf: well, you want probabilities to be ordered, invertible, addable (if they're not too large) and multipliable. that probably is enough to fit it in an ordered field. the only thing that would be missing is the archimedean property (i.e. you could have nonstandard probabilities.)
00:18:22 <oerjan> (and you might of course use slightly _less_ than the reals.)
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00:21:20 <\oren\> I should start a business selling beyblades as vintage fidget spinners
00:28:48 <wob_jonas> shachaf: dunno. I has previously asked whether reals are important for topology. I still don't have a completely satisfying answer.
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01:20:45 <doesthiswork> math is like a collection of great analogies
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01:45:18 <boily> `? math
01:45:20 <HackEgo> Math class is tough!
01:45:28 <boily> `forget math
01:45:31 <HackEgo> Forget what?
01:45:33 <boily> `? maths
01:45:34 <HackEgo> Maths stands for Mathematical Anti-Telharsic Harfatum Septomin.
01:45:39 <doesthiswork> lets go shopping
01:48:23 <doesthiswork> `? what
01:48:24 <HackEgo> what? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:48:38 <doesthiswork> `forget what
01:48:39 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove ‘wisdom/what’: No such file or directory \ Forget what?
01:49:09 <doesthiswork> `? what?
01:49:10 <HackEgo> what?? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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02:45:37 <Sgeo> `stargateuniverselist http://www.blastr.com/2017-6-6/stargate-universe-cliffhanger-finally-be-resolved-new-comic-run
02:45:38 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: stargateuniverselist: not found
02:48:27 <alercah> cool
02:51:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[VTFF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52077&oldid=52074 * Programmer5000 * (+63)
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04:38:53 <Cale> shachaf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-i0JkZnf80
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07:20:02 <shachaf> Cale: I see.
07:21:23 <shachaf> @tell wob_jonas Well, the closed real interval has the right universal property for defining homotopy, see https://mathoverflow.net/q/92206
07:21:23 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
07:22:21 <shachaf> oerjan: what about quasiprobabilities and other things
07:23:12 <shachaf> oerjan: also what if you use rationals instead of reals for probabilities
07:23:16 <shachaf> where do you run into trouble twh
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11:41:00 <boily> `w
11:41:03 <HackEgo> gaszpacho//gaszpacho is a polish soup, traditionally szerved cold for hot szummer days
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11:55:02 <oerjan> @tell shachaf I know nothing about quasiprobabilities. also, everything beyond rationals starts mattering once you need to solve equations or use integrals. you cannot have normal distributions with them... but there's still probably a strict subset of the reals that suffices in practice.
11:55:02 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
11:55:21 <oerjan> @tell shachaf * with only them
11:55:21 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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12:15:46 <wob_jonas> do we have a roman numeral lookup tool here?
12:15:53 <wob_jonas> @messages
12:17:05 <wob_jonas> shachaf: hmm yes, I think I saw that post
12:19:18 <oerjan> `` ls bin/*roman*
12:19:20 <HackEgo> bin/fromroman \ bin/toroman
12:19:28 <oerjan> `fromroman xiv
12:19:29 <HackEgo> No output.
12:19:37 <oerjan> `cat bin/fromroman
12:19:38 <HackEgo> ​#!/usr/bin/perl \ sub k{my$t;$t=~y/IVXLC/XLCDM/,$t.=("",I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX)[$_]for/./g;$r{$t}=$_;$t}k for s""\$"..4e3;print $r{(shift=~/(\w+)/)[0]},$/
12:19:39 <wob_jonas> `fromroman LXXXIX
12:19:40 <HackEgo> 89
12:19:42 <wob_jonas> `fromroman LXXXVII
12:19:43 <HackEgo> 87
12:19:45 <wob_jonas> thanks
12:19:49 <wob_jonas> I think I wrote that one
12:19:53 <wob_jonas> `? roman
12:19:54 <HackEgo> roman? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
12:19:56 <wob_jonas> `? fromroman
12:19:57 <HackEgo> fromroman? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
12:19:57 <wob_jonas> `? toroman
12:19:59 <HackEgo> toroman? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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12:28:18 <boily> `w
12:28:20 <HackEgo> and//And is an Intercal unary operator.
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12:28:59 <wob_jonas> I think that's mine too
12:31:00 <oerjan> `cwlprits and
12:31:10 <HackEgo> oerjän b_jonäs b_jonäs
12:31:14 <oerjan> SOMEWHAT
12:35:57 <wob_jonas> `fromroman XCVI
12:35:58 <HackEgo> 96
12:36:15 <wob_jonas> ``` echo $[1+$(fromroman XCVI)]
12:36:16 <HackEgo> 97
12:36:24 <wob_jonas> ``` toroman echo $[1+$(fromroman XCVI)]
12:36:26 <HackEgo> No output.
12:36:30 <wob_jonas> ``` toroman $[1+$(fromroman XCVI)]
12:36:31 <HackEgo> XCVII
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12:59:42 * oerjan is reading the iwc forum, and gently reminds wob_jonas that it's "reminds me _of_" -----###
13:00:10 <wob_jonas> oerjan: ah yes, that's a mistake I make all the time
13:00:13 <wob_jonas> where this time...
13:00:17 <oerjan> i've noticed :P
13:00:24 <wob_jonas> stupid English
13:00:36 <oerjan> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/draakslair/viewtopic.php?t=10146
13:00:50 <wob_jonas> hopefully people won't be considering it a mistake in a decade or two when we take over
13:01:00 <oerjan> O..KAY
13:02:29 <oerjan> incidentally if i were similarly failing to convert from norwegian, i'd be saying "reminds me on" or "reminds me at"
13:03:29 <wob_jonas> nah, you can't just convert prepositions from one language to another so easily
13:05:58 <wob_jonas> they work totally different
13:07:14 <wob_jonas> and totally logical: if you want to say you're in a town in Hungarian, you use -ban or -n depending on which town it is, unless it's one of Pécs or Győr in which case you may use the conjugation -ett which doesn't even exist for any other purpose than saying that something is in those towns
13:07:17 <wob_jonas> it's easy
13:07:44 <oerjan> right!
13:08:11 <oerjan> (norwegian also uses two different prepositions for towns, i and på)
13:08:45 <oerjan> they may be vaguely like -ban and -n in their basic meaning.
13:10:17 <wob_jonas> they're not vague! -ban is like "in" in English and -n is like "on". they're for marking places inside and over something respectively, and occasionally used for times too
13:11:01 <oerjan> well that's the same with norwegian.
13:11:50 <oerjan> so the "vaguely" is just because it never matches perfectly.
13:12:44 <oerjan> and because i remember hungarian has a 3-way distinction.
13:13:02 <wob_jonas> places in Hungarian are marked in a nice symmetric table of three times three common cases: -tól, -ból, -ról, -nál, -ban, -on, -hoz, -ba, -ra, and these cases are the most common ones borrowed for saying anything other than places, together with a few more common ones like -ig and -nak.
13:13:42 <wob_jonas> apart from those, there are a lot of uncommon cases, some of which are half-dead, and lots of prepositions, most of which are used with accusative case, but a few of them with other cases
13:14:06 <wob_jonas> what case is used for what other than places is completely random, and towns are just crazy
13:14:11 <oerjan> prepositions? not postpositions?
13:14:25 <wob_jonas> no, the rest are prepositions, written before and in a separate word
13:14:45 <wob_jonas> there are only those approx. dozen common postpositions and about a dozen rare postpositions for cases
13:15:23 <oerjan> somehow i had gotten the impression hungarian did more postpositions, but ok
13:15:30 <wob_jonas> -t for object and -val are also common.
13:15:37 <wob_jonas> the postpositions are much more _common_
13:15:46 <wob_jonas> everything that's used commonly gets a postposition
13:16:15 <wob_jonas> and the prepositions go after too
13:16:19 <wob_jonas> so they're postpositions too
13:16:26 <wob_jonas> this doesn't make any sense
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13:17:04 <oerjan> OKAY
13:19:27 <wob_jonas> so yes, you're right, all of them are postpositions
13:21:20 <oerjan> yay
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14:07:04 <wob_jonas> There should be a wisdom listing what I hate. I hate wasps, mosquitos, music boxes and other forms of clockwork, raw flour, roman numerals, and the list goes on.
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14:23:29 <doesthiswork> why do you hate roman numerals?
14:25:12 <wob_jonas> they're stupid and hard to read, just like analog clocks. you have to, like, count tally marks and decide which place they stand for to read them. just use hindu-arabic numerals instead.
14:25:27 <wob_jonas> luckily their use is declining these days
14:26:20 <Phantom_Hoover> it's almost like they're a stylistic thing
14:26:38 <doesthiswork> would you prefer an analog clock with just one hand?
14:27:19 <wob_jonas> people still use them to mark the districts of Budapest, and I wish they didn't. there's some logic in using roman numerals for that, because street names can start with h-a numerals, and that numeral can be either the whole street name or just part of it, so writing the district number with a h-a numeral without some marker could be ambiguous,
14:28:16 <wob_jonas> (in theory a street name may have to start with a lone letter and a dot, if named from a person whose name starts with such a lone letter, and that could happen to look like a roman numeral, but I don't think there's an example of that in Budapest)
14:29:21 <wob_jonas> (part of the reason for that might be that people won't choose a name that has "I." or "V." as the first word, because that would look like a dynasty number for royalties too and so confusing)
14:31:46 <doesthiswork> do they not use hindu-arabic numerals in budapest?
14:32:12 <wob_jonas> In theory you could use roman numerals as month numbers, but almost nobody seems to do that anymore; and you could use roman numerals to mark the stage (floor) of a building, but people don't do that either so you only see it in old signs.
14:32:44 <doesthiswork> event list wikipedia list of distics in budapest is in roman numerals
14:32:46 <wob_jonas> doesthiswork: sure they do: they use h-a numerals for house numbers, postal codes, zip numbers, rarely as a street name or part of a street name, and lots of other things
14:32:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52078&oldid=52072 * Raddish0 * (+61)
14:33:22 <wob_jonas> prices, date and time, quantities, lots of things
14:33:28 <wob_jonas> h-a numerals are the default
14:34:00 <wob_jonas> they're used for basically everything, and roman numerals were used the last century for a few particular things as disambiguation, where a h-a numeral could cause confusion
14:34:25 <wob_jonas> that's why they were used for districts and month numbers and floor numbers
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14:35:06 <wob_jonas> (also roman numerals are used for years but only on ornamental labels on building fronts or statues, and hours ornamentally on clock faces)
14:36:28 <wob_jonas> (those ornamental uses are in a decline too)
14:38:07 <doesthiswork> how do you feel about sumerian numerals for disambiguation
14:39:47 <wob_jonas> no. I want only arabic numerals. if you want them distinctive looking, then put suffixes or prefixes to it or add dots or hyphens in the middle as "magic numbers", which is already what they're doing for lots of namespaces of numbers.
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14:44:42 <wob_jonas> eg. phone numbers start with a plus, car reg plate numbers are of the formats AAA-999 or AAAA-99 or AAAAA-9, passport numbers have the format AA9999999,
14:45:09 <doesthiswork> and street numbers?
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14:46:33 <wob_jonas> driving license and personal ID license numbers have the format AA999999 and 999999AA, non-intl bank account numbers have the format 99999999-99999999-99999999 or 99999999-99999999, there are other government bureaucracy administration stuff numbers that have formats 999-999-999, 9-999999-9999, 9999999999, 99999999-9-99 resp.
14:47:13 <wob_jonas> so if you accidentally supply the wrong number for what's expected, you can generally recognize it from the wrong format. this is a good thing, just like "magic numbers" in digital file formats are.
14:47:39 <wob_jonas> doesthiswork: streets in general have names, not numbers, but a few street names are numbers or start with a number
14:47:49 <wob_jonas> we're not in Manhattan
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15:04:22 <Phantom_Hoover> why do you say hindu-arabic numerals on one hand but roman numerals on the other
15:04:43 <wob_jonas> PH: um, those are their common names, aren't they/
15:05:02 <wob_jonas> 1, 2, 3 are h-a numerals, I, II, III are roman numerals
15:05:13 <Phantom_Hoover> 'hindu-arabic' seems longwinded to me and i normally just see them called 'arabic'
15:05:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52079&oldid=52078 * Raddish0 * (+219)
15:05:55 <wob_jonas> and the h-a ones like 1, 2, 3 are in base 10 so they correspond to how you pronounce those numbers, whereas from the roman numerals it's much harder to translate from crazy stuff like XVIII to how you pronounce it in your head, which is why they suck as district numbers
15:06:05 <wob_jonas> yes, but "arabic numeral" is ambiguous
15:06:20 <wob_jonas> which is why we say h-a instead
15:08:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52080&oldid=52079 * Raddish0 * (+35)
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15:11:51 <Phantom_Hoover> unicode calls them 'european digits' which seems like a good name to me
15:12:10 <wob_jonas> that's so europe-centric
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15:12:54 <wob_jonas> I'd like to call them ascii numerals, but that doesn't work either, because the roman numerals are mostly ascii too, with MDCLXI
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15:20:50 <Phantom_Hoover> <wob_jonas> that's so europe-centric
15:20:54 <Phantom_Hoover> 'the latin alphabet'
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15:21:42 <wob_jonas> Ph: I don't think I ever say that. I say "latin script" or "English alphabet" or "ascii letters" or "ascii latin letters" etc
15:21:56 <wob_jonas> "latin alphabet" is similarly somewhat ambiguous
15:22:34 <Phantom_Hoover> ahahahaha
15:22:36 <wob_jonas> there's no single alphabet for the latin script, it varies by language (and sometimes there's even more than one per language), although almost all of them are related and similar,
15:23:06 <Phantom_Hoover> you think 'european numerals' is eurocentric (despite the fact that they absolutely truthfully come from europe) but you think 'english alphabet' is just fine
15:23:09 <Phantom_Hoover> what
15:23:29 <wob_jonas> and eventually all derived from the phoenician alphabet through the greek alphabet (which also has various version), and thus a cousin of the cyrillic and hebrew and arabic alphabets too
15:25:29 <wob_jonas> Ph: there's so many alphabets and half of them are arbitrary. for example, the Hungarian alphabet considers "ty" and "dz" and "dzs" and "ly" as single letters (for collation purposes and for Scrabble, but not for crosswords), but "ch" and "kh" as two letters (for collation purposes), for no reason, and it's even worse with the doubled digraphs "ssz
15:25:29 <wob_jonas> " which are collated as if they were hyphenated
15:27:12 <wob_jonas> Phantom_Hoover: do the roman numerals, the greek numerals, and the hebrew numerals come from Europe?
15:27:45 <Phantom_Hoover> why are nerds so obsessed with this sort of really stupid pedantry
15:27:58 <Phantom_Hoover> they're the standard numerals used throughout europe, developed in europe
15:28:28 <wob_jonas> but everyone already uses h-a numerals, so what's wrong with that? too long?
15:28:30 <Phantom_Hoover> why do you then go out of your way to find completely petty problems with the term 'european numerals' for them
15:28:46 <wob_jonas> it's not that the term is wrong, but that there's already an established term
15:28:51 <wob_jonas> everyone calls them hindu-arabic numerals
15:29:12 <Phantom_Hoover> everyone doesn't, as evidenced by me finding the term unfamiliar
15:29:23 <Phantom_Hoover> and anyway i just said i liked 'european numerals' more as a name
15:29:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[!!!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52081&oldid=46565 * Programmer5000 * (+5) Add link to !!!Batch
15:30:01 <wob_jonas> and I find the term "european numerals" unfamiliar
15:30:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[!!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52082&oldid=52081 * Programmer5000 * (-1) Fix
15:30:13 <wob_jonas> pity
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18:53:09 <\oren\> Hmm, if you looked at what letters were used in recent latin works, e.g. Newton's Principia, would any of the 26 english letters be missing?
18:53:37 <Phantom_Hoover> w, presumably
18:54:41 <Phantom_Hoover> he does use w as a variable name and in english personal names though
18:55:52 <Phantom_Hoover> similar story with k
18:58:39 <int-e> @ask oerjan have we seen that sword before? (GG)
18:58:39 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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18:58:54 <\oren\> hmm so essentially the alphabet for "modern latin" would be the same as english plus æ I guess.
19:00:04 <\oren\> weirdly, I'm looking and "ae" only occurs in principia in one word, "Aer"
19:00:31 <\oren\> probably because there's no ligature of "Ae"
19:01:30 <\oren\> so æ doesn't count as a letter
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20:54:33 <oerjan> @messages-fold
20:54:33 <lambdabot> int-e asked 1h 55m 53s ago: have we seen that sword before? (GG)
20:54:50 <oerjan> @tell int-e not that i remember...
20:54:50 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
20:56:12 <int-e> okay.
20:56:24 <shachaf> @messages-bound
20:56:24 <lambdabot> oerjan said 9h 1m 22s ago: I know nothing about quasiprobabilities. also, everything beyond rationals starts mattering once you need to solve equations or use integrals. you cannot have normal
20:56:24 <lambdabot> distributions with them... but there's still probably a strict subset of the reals that suffices in practice.
20:56:24 <lambdabot> oerjan said 9h 1m 3s ago: * with only them
20:57:36 <oerjan> int-e: i assumed it had been designed for its particular purpose.
20:57:49 <oerjan> which would make it unlikely to have shown up before.
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21:06:55 <int-e> I had missed the sigil the first time around (2 or 3 weeks ago)
21:07:48 <shachaf> int-e: Do you read olist?
21:07:53 <shachaf> I think the answer is no.
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21:13:19 <int-e> wall of text comic
21:13:41 <int-e> you may recall me complaining about that
21:18:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang talk:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52085&oldid=52084 * Oerjan * (+94) unsigned
21:19:04 <\oren\> ooh I found a new copypasta
21:19:44 <\oren\> KRAKOW STRONG! REMOVE WARSAW FROM PREMISE!
21:20:04 <\oren\> YOU ARE FAKE CAPITAL OF POLAND YOU ARE WORST CAPITAL OF POLAND! EVEN VIENNA BETTER CAPITAL OF POLAND! YOU ARE A JOKE WITH COMMUNISM YOU ARE RUSSIA NOT POLAND! HAHAHA ASIAN SMELL! KRAKOW HAS KINGS AND KING JADWIGA! WARSAW HAS NOTHING! POPE JAN PAWEŁ ALIF AND STRONG IN KRAKOW WHERE HE FORM! KRAKOW RICH AND POWERFUL THANKS TO JAN PAWEŁ AND JEZUS!
21:20:07 <oerjan> int-e: oh right, i missed that too.
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21:21:14 <\oren\> Apparently someone really likes playing as krakow in eU4
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21:22:19 <oerjan> \oren\: well it's a good name http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1986/04/28
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21:29:03 <\oren\> https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/69syjj/theres_a_new_toothpaste_in_town/
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21:53:22 <oerjan> <\oren\> probably because there's no ligature of "Ae" <-- actually, it might be because "Aer" is actually two syllables, not a diphthong.
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23:27:15 <boily> @massages-loud
23:27:15 <lambdabot> You don't have any messages
23:30:46 <oerjan> bnomaily
23:34:50 <boily> bonsœirjan!
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00:45:45 <boily> `w
00:45:46 <HackEgo> fternooner//fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”, Icelandic „íðdegis“) is a screamingly delicious pastry.
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00:47:05 <shachaf> I Have No Mouth, and I Must Eat Screamingly Delicious Pastries
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00:57:32 <shachaf> `5 w
00:57:38 <HackEgo> 1/2:block device//Block devices are a concession made in Unix to make raw hard disks and magnetic tape have a similar interface to regular files and terminals. Since magnetic tapes can't write individual bytes, only entire blocks, the interface isn't exactly the same, thus the dreaded dd obs= option was born. \ 0//702 matching entries found. \ pizz
00:57:41 <shachaf> `n
00:57:42 <HackEgo> 2/2:a//Pizza is a kind of rhubarb pie made without rhubarb. \ sgeolang//Sgeolang used to change frequently, but eventually it rusted in place. \ postfridgerator//Postfridgerators are what we'll use once global warming really takes hold.
00:58:02 <shachaf> `cwlprits block device
00:58:11 <HackEgo> b_jonäs
00:58:11 <shachaf> shocking
00:58:26 <shachaf> Sgeo: Is Sgeolang still Rust?
00:58:49 <Sgeo> shachaf, yes
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01:16:22 <\oren\> Hmm, on my way home from work a terrible/great idea occurred to me
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01:25:25 <boily> he\\oren\. what happened into your mind?
01:41:04 <boily> \oren\ seems to have been consumed by insanity. a sad affair. “never go full insane,” I say.
01:46:59 <Cale> What is this divine hell?
01:50:05 <boily> there are things men and fungots aren't meant to know, much less glance upon. deep into unfathomable meanders, across currents only felt, never touched...
01:50:05 <fungot> boily: of course, but sh is broadly very portable. especially when compared to scheme
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01:51:05 <boily> heed the Wisdom of the fungot. hear its bedazzled grunts, words spoken without a mouth. (and an as of yet unknown amount of nostrils.)
01:51:05 <fungot> boily: you know this already), were my patches no good? :) htmlprag?
01:52:40 <boily> I know, but can't recall. it is ingrained too profound, my mind the overgrown ruins that jut above a derelict plain, windswept by a shrill breeze.
01:53:22 <boily> (speaking of breeze, I should unclothesline the laundry. the sun has set.)
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02:26:59 <\oren\> Assuming that languages like esperanto, lojban, toki pona etc are capable of the full range of human expression
02:27:05 <\oren\> boily: ^
02:27:12 <\oren\> Then it must be possible to write pornography in them
02:27:26 <\oren\> and I was wondering if anyone had done so
02:27:57 <boily> most probably so.
02:28:42 <\oren\> yeah it turns out if you just put esperanto pornography into bing image search...
02:29:38 <alercah> images have language now?
02:29:51 <\oren\> someone made a MLP porn comic with dialogue in esperanto
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02:30:34 <boily> I don't want to know.
02:30:41 <boily> hellorcah!
02:32:00 <zzo38> I made a program for Worley/Voronoi partitioning but it is slow and I think maybe could be made to be faster, perhaps if the points are stored sorted and with a limited range per scanline to search in, although I would have to see how to make those ranges then.
02:37:04 <zzo38> (Especially since different metrics can be used, as well as different n-th close point, this can do something.)
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07:09:25 <shachaf> Hmm: "The function f is continuous at x if f(x + ε) = f(x) + o(1)"
07:09:55 <shachaf> Is that right?
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09:21:41 <int-e> shachaf: it could be correct but leaves too much implicit . o O ( also this reply may be a bit too late to be useful )
09:23:17 <int-e> (basically you still have to say that ε is supposed to approach 0 and that this is used as the implicit limit in the o notation)
09:25:56 <int-e> And now I'm wondering whether anybody writes o_{\epsilon \to 0}(1)
09:25:56 <int-e> (I haven't seen anything (afair) like this but it does seem to make sense)
09:26:29 <shachaf> This was from https://micromath.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/donald-knuth-calculus-via-o-notation/
09:26:49 <shachaf> Which suggests introducing o() before limits.
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09:29:13 <shachaf> What if you treat o as an operator on functions?
09:29:32 <shachaf> I guess it would be o(0)(f)
09:29:37 <shachaf> Or o(f)(0)?
09:29:53 <shachaf> There's the limit operator L : (R -> R) -> (R -> R)
09:30:33 <shachaf> Lf(x) = lim_{y \to x}{f(y)}
09:30:57 <shachaf> What are the properties of L?
09:31:04 <shachaf> I asked some questions about this a while ago but I forgot them.
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09:34:32 <int-e> I expect L(f) is continuous on its domain (which will be smaller than the domain of f if f is not continuous)
09:35:11 <shachaf> Smaller?
09:35:20 <shachaf> The domain of Lf could be larger.
09:35:47 <shachaf> "f is continuous" means "f = Lf"
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11:37:41 <boily> `w
11:37:43 <HackEgo> muphrys law//Mumphrie's Law says things will be misspelled at the worst possible moment.
11:45:25 <int-e> shachaf: Lf is not defined at x if f is discontinuous at x.
11:45:31 <int-e> ... I see what you mean
11:45:42 <int-e> so it'll be incomparible actually
11:46:15 <int-e> and, surprisingly, not idempotent. subtle.
11:47:31 <int-e> (start with f(0) = 1, f(x) = 0 otherwise; Lf will be undefined at 0 and 0 everywhere else; LLf will equal 0 everywhere)
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15:54:16 <oerjan> @tell int-e <int-e> (start with f(0) = 1, f(x) = 0 otherwise; Lf will be undefined at 0 and 0 everywhere else; LLf will equal 0 everywhere) <-- i don't think so, the limit usually excludes the point itself so it's 0 everywhere from the start.
15:54:16 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
15:54:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52094&oldid=52090 * Raddish0 * (+12)
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15:56:33 <oerjan> @tell int-e What you can probably achieve is a function such that Lf is defined only at one point, and then L(Lf) nowhere. But on the intersection of their domain, i think Lf and L(Lf) must be equal.
15:56:33 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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15:58:44 <int-e> . o O ( @tell is so useless )
15:58:58 <oerjan> @ask int-e OKAY?
15:58:58 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
15:59:11 * int-e kicks oerjan
15:59:16 <oerjan> ow
15:59:44 <int-e> what's that don't ask don't tell list again
15:59:47 * oerjan now memorized third verse of Moscow Nights
16:00:00 <oerjan> `dontaskdonttelllist
16:00:02 <HackEgo> dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ m​y​n​a​m​e​
16:00:21 <int-e> `` echo int-e >> bin/dontaskdonttelllist
16:00:25 <HackEgo> No output.
16:00:40 <int-e> (there's a command for that as well but I forget)
16:04:06 <int-e> Anyway, meh. I wonder how universal that agreement is, I'm pretty sure I was taught a different definition in highschool.
16:04:53 <int-e> (we had left-sided and right-sided limits too that did exclude the limit point itself)
16:05:57 <oerjan> if you don't you need to be careful when defining derivatives
16:06:36 <int-e> well, points where the function was undefined were excluded as well
16:06:40 <int-e> so that's fine.
16:06:56 <oerjan> SOUNDS COMPLICATED
16:07:11 <int-e> if you say so
16:07:45 <oerjan> anyway
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16:43:03 <kerbal> What, in you guys' opinion, is the strangest esoteric language?
16:44:31 <zzo38> I don't know
16:55:18 <kerbal> Ah
16:55:43 <kerbal> Anyone want to try mine? It's called Integ. The Python 3 interpreter's at https://github.com/kerbin111/Integ
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17:12:58 <zzo38> You can write in esolang wiki if it isn't already, but, I will look on there thank you
17:15:10 <kerbal> Ah, sorry
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17:36:44 <shachaf> int-e: Why is Lf undefined at 0? lim_{x -> 0}{f(x)} = 0, isn't it?
17:37:11 <shachaf> int-e: Oh, what oerjan said.
17:37:49 <shachaf> The limit of a function at a point has nothing to do with the value of the function at that point, only nearby points.
17:38:21 <shachaf> OK, you have a different definition.
17:41:40 <shachaf> int-e: I think a standard definition is, lim_{x -> c}{f(x)} = L means that the function f' equal to f everywhere except c, and defined as f'(c) = L, is continuous at c.
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17:45:01 <wob_jonas> zzo38: in the docs about MMIX, Knuth mentions that there could be a cheap impl of MMIX where the hardware doesn't know about the structure of the page table trie, and all page table lookups are handled in kernel mode software fault routines. \
17:46:31 <wob_jonas> My question is: is it possible to have a cheap impl of MMIX where the hardware doesn't know how to spill the register stack to memory, so when the hardware register stack overflows upwards or underflows downwards, values are swapped in by a kernel mode software fault routine?
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17:47:53 <zzo38> wob_jonas: I am not sure, but I thought not.
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17:48:11 <wob_jonas> ok
17:50:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MMIX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52095&oldid=51175 * B jonas * (+41)
18:02:35 <zzo38> I have been working more on Z-machine implementation in MMIX. It may still contain some mistakes though
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18:41:48 <kerbal> !ztest Skewer +[->>[-]<+]
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18:42:42 <kerbal> !zjoust Skewer +[->>[-]<+]
18:43:17 <kerbal> Does zemhill not run anymore?
18:44:01 <wob_jonas> dunno
18:44:12 <wob_jonas> ^zjoust always_lose <
18:44:21 <wob_jonas> @zjoust always_lose <
18:44:21 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
18:44:22 <wob_jonas> `zjoust always_lose <
18:44:23 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: zjoust: not found
18:44:27 <\oren\> http://www.investopedia.com/news/more-bets-against-tesla-any-other-company-tsla-bac/
18:44:47 <\oren\> apparently everyone thinks tesla is overvalued
18:44:49 <kerbal> lambdabot
18:44:56 <kerbal> !lambdabot
18:45:09 <kerbal> @list
18:45:09 <lambdabot> What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas.
18:45:13 <kerbal> @listmodules
18:45:13 <lambdabot> activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search
18:45:13 <lambdabot> slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where
18:45:41 <kerbal> @bf
18:45:41 <lambdabot> Done.
18:45:54 <kerbal> How do you use this bot?
18:46:21 <kerbal> Does it have a zjoust module?
18:46:31 <wob_jonas> @bf ++++++[->+++++++<]>[.+]
18:46:32 <lambdabot> *+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrst...
18:46:58 <int-e> > ['*'..]
18:47:00 <lambdabot> "*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrs...
18:47:28 <kerbal> Hmm... but that won't do bf jousting
18:47:34 <int-e> it doesn't
18:47:41 <int-e> it's not meant to either
18:47:49 <wob_jonas> [ 42}.a.
18:47:50 <j-bot> wob_jonas: *+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ €‚ƒ„…†‡ˆ‰Š‹ŒŽ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œžŸ ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨©ª«¬­®¯°±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ
18:47:59 <kerbal> Ah... so you can no longer do that in #esoteric?
18:49:04 <int-e> Probably not?
18:49:21 <wob_jonas> [ '...',~45{.42}.a.
18:49:21 <kerbal> The wiki must be wrong, then
18:49:21 <j-bot> wob_jonas: *+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUV...
18:49:39 <wob_jonas> [ '...',~74{.42}.a.
18:49:40 <j-bot> wob_jonas: *+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrs...
19:03:42 <kerbal> So, if the bots are nonexistent, then is it impossible for people to get their names on the zem.fi leaderboard?
19:04:03 <wob_jonas> isn't there another submission method, like through http?
19:05:02 <kerbal> You can do it on the website, but that "gives" your submission to the name "web."
19:07:23 <int-e> Exception: #<Errno::ECONNREFUSED: Connection refused - connect(2) for "/home/bfjoust/bfjoust/socket/server.sock">
19:07:31 <int-e> it's broken anyway. complain to fizzie :P
19:08:31 <kerbal> fizzie runs the bots?
19:08:49 <int-e> he runs bots
19:08:58 <kerbal> Ah
19:09:00 <int-e> not all of them.
19:09:57 <int-e> it's just HackEgo, fungot and zjoust (if it were there), as far as I'm aware.
19:09:57 <fungot> int-e: r6rs is at http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/ slavonic/ absurd.htm. take one down, pass them around
19:10:24 <int-e> `? bots
19:10:25 <HackEgo> bots? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:10:48 <kerbal> `?
19:10:50 <HackEgo> ​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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19:11:05 <kerbal> `
19:11:05 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
19:11:19 <kerbal> (Sorry, just seeing what would happen)
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19:12:45 <int-e> `? prefixes
19:12:46 <HackEgo> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
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19:13:48 <kerbal> [help
19:13:58 <kerbal> [ help
19:13:58 <j-bot> kerbal: |value error: help
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19:14:07 <kerbal> [
19:14:51 <wob_jonas> kerbal: http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Community/IRC gives some very obsolete info
19:16:39 <kerbal> Thanks!
19:25:04 <fizzie> Hmm.
19:25:40 <fizzie> I don't really "run" HackEgo, I just help out a little.
19:26:10 <wob_jonas> fizzie: yeah, that's what all unlucky people who become maintainers say at the start
19:26:14 <fizzie> Let me try to remember how on earth you actually started zemhill.
19:26:42 <fizzie> (There was some sort of a maintenance thing on DigitalOcean, that's why it's not up right now.)
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19:27:55 <fizzie> I think maybe like that.
19:28:03 <fizzie> `ztest whatever <
19:28:04 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ztest: not found
19:28:10 <fizzie> !ztest whatever <
19:28:10 <zemhill> fizzie.whatever: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47
19:28:23 <kerbal> Thanks so much, fizzie!
19:28:37 <kerbal> Let me test my new design:
19:29:06 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*10>(+)*10>)*4([-]>)*-1
19:29:07 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -9.88, score 13.04, rank 42/47
19:29:19 <kerbal> Not great, but a start
19:29:50 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-][-].[-])*99
19:29:50 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -27.02, score 7.12, rank 47/47
19:29:58 <kerbal> !zjoust Checkers >((-)*10>(+)*10>)*4([-]>)*-
19:29:58 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -32.83, score 2.96, rank 47/47
19:30:11 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-][-][-].)*99
19:30:11 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -27.10, score 7.13, rank 47/47
19:30:13 <int-e> fizzie: yeah I know, but complaining you you is quicker than complaining to Gregor when HackEgo breaks ;)
19:30:15 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*10>(+)*10>)*4([-]>)*-1
19:30:16 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -9.88, score 13.04, rank 42/47 (+5)
19:30:18 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-][-][-])*99
19:30:18 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -26.29, score 7.34, rank 47/47
19:30:23 <int-e> s/you you/to you/
19:30:26 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-][-][.-])*99
19:30:27 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -24.69, score 7.81, rank 47/47
19:30:36 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[.-][-][-])*99
19:30:36 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -24.62, score 7.83, rank 47/47
19:30:42 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[.-][-])*99
19:30:42 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -23.62, score 7.90, rank 47/47
19:30:46 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[.-].)*99
19:30:46 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -24.12, score 7.74, rank 47/47
19:30:49 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[.-])*99
19:30:49 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -24.31, score 7.35, rank 47/47
19:30:54 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[.-][.-])*99
19:30:54 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -23.48, score 7.91, rank 47/47
19:30:58 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[.-][-.])*99
19:30:59 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -22.98, score 8.12, rank 47/47
19:31:02 <int-e> ... does zemhill work in privmsg?
19:31:02 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-.][-.])*99
19:31:03 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -22.90, score 8.43, rank 47/47
19:31:11 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-.][-..])*99
19:31:12 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -22.50, score 8.81, rank 47/47
19:31:15 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-.][-...])*99
19:31:15 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -21.31, score 8.96, rank 47/47
19:31:19 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-..][-...])*99
19:31:19 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -23.88, score 7.74, rank 47/47
19:31:25 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-][-...])*99
19:31:25 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -23.38, score 8.05, rank 47/47
19:31:30 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-.][-....])*99
19:31:31 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -25.14, score 7.60, rank 47/47
19:31:33 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-.][-.....])*99
19:31:34 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -20.81, score 9.23, rank 47/47
19:31:37 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-.][-......])*99
19:31:37 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -22.64, score 8.74, rank 47/47
19:31:41 <wob_jonas> !ztest dumb (>[-.][-.....])*99
19:31:42 <zemhill> wob_jonas.dumb: points -20.81, score 9.23, rank 47/47
19:31:42 <fizzie> I should probably have monitoring and alerts on that thing, I've been adding that sort of thing to other things as well.
19:31:45 <int-e> wob_jonas: STOP!
19:31:48 <wob_jonas> ok
19:32:19 <int-e> thanks
19:33:43 <shachaf> int-e: hint-e
19:33:52 <shachaf> So much spam.
19:34:58 <shachaf> fizzie: What sorts of monitoring?
19:35:04 <shachaf> Is L a linear operator?
19:35:08 <shachaf> I guess it is.
19:35:40 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*15>(+)*15>)*4([-]>)*-1
19:35:40 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -5.67, score 18.51, rank 17/47 (+30)
19:36:10 <kerbal> That's not terrible, actually
19:36:31 <fizzie> shachaf: Maybe I could add a /metrics endpoint to it. Or a black-box probe. Or both.
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19:37:08 <shachaf> Unfortunately Prometheus /metrics only supports floating point values for time series.
19:37:24 <shachaf> It should support any metric space.
19:38:39 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*15>(+)*15>)*5([-]>)*-1
19:38:39 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -6.19, score 17.96, rank 19/47 (+28)
19:39:00 <kerbal> jjthrash: hi
19:41:08 <jjthrash> Hey there
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19:41:48 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*5>(+)*5>)*5([-]>)*-1
19:41:48 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -15.40, score 12.13, rank 46/47 (+1)
19:41:57 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*25>(+)*25>)*5([-]>)*-1
19:41:58 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -7.52, score 13.46, rank 34/47 (+13)
19:42:03 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*15>(+)*15>)*5([-]>)*-1
19:42:04 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -6.19, score 17.96, rank 19/47 (+28)
19:42:10 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*10>(+)*10>)*5([-]>)*-1
19:42:10 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -9.40, score 12.98, rank 44/47 (+3)
19:42:17 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*20>(+)*20>)*5([-]>)*-1
19:42:17 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -7.67, score 16.59, rank 20/47 (+27)
19:42:31 <kerbal> Getting close
19:42:40 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*17>(+)*17>)*5([-]>)*-1
19:42:40 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -7.00, score 17.59, rank 19/47 (+28)
19:42:45 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*17>(+)*18>)*5([-]>)*-1
19:42:45 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -8.40, score 16.66, rank 20/47 (+27)
19:42:52 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*18>(+)*17>)*5([-]>)*-1
19:42:53 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -8.19, score 16.96, rank 20/47 (+27)
19:43:10 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*16>(+)*16>)*5([-]>)*-1
19:43:10 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -6.55, score 17.82, rank 19/47 (+28)
19:43:39 <kerbal> So for this bot, the size of the trap blocks should be 15-17. Interesting
19:43:58 <jjthrash> kerbal: Anybody going to use a genetic algorithm to grow a bot? ;)
19:44:42 <kerbal> Not today
19:46:21 <int-e> !ztest Checkers >((-)*16>(+)*16>)*4([-]>)*12[-]
19:46:27 <int-e> !ztest Checkers >((-)*16>(+)*16>)*4([-]>)*12[-]
19:46:27 <zemhill> int-e.Checkers: points -17.60, score 11.20, rank 47/47
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19:46:38 <int-e> fun.
19:52:30 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*16>(+)*16>)*5((+)*10[-]>)*-1
19:52:31 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -8.05, score 17.12, rank 20/47 (+27)
19:52:41 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*15>(+)*15>)*5((+)*10[-]>)*-1
19:52:42 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -8.81, score 16.46, rank 21/47 (+26)
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19:52:53 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*17>(+)*17>)*5((+)*10[-]>)*-1
19:52:53 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -8.29, score 17.01, rank 20/47 (+27)
19:53:06 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*15>(+)*15>)*5((+)*7[-]>)*-1
19:53:06 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -6.55, score 17.90, rank 19/47 (+28)
19:53:53 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*15>(+)*15>)*5((+)*15[-]>)*-1
19:53:53 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -8.33, score 16.62, rank 21/47 (+26)
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19:54:14 <kerbal> !ztest Checkers >((-)*15>(+)*15>)*5([-]>)*-1
19:54:15 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -6.19, score 17.96, rank 19/47 (+28)
19:56:11 <int-e> !ztest Checkers >((-)*17>(+)*16>)*4([-][+.]>)*20[-][+.]
19:56:12 <zemhill> int-e.Checkers: points -3.57, score 20.14, rank 15/47
19:56:13 <shachaf> Can you stop with the bot spam?
19:56:17 <shachaf> Isn't there another channel for that?
19:56:41 <int-e> zemhill does work in privmsg btw. this is just where I decided to stop
19:57:52 <kerbal> Sorry... I'll conduct further tests with pm's
19:58:34 <int-e> kerbal: note that I found that 17/16 performs better than 16/16 and 17/17, a bit curiously.
19:59:34 <kerbal> int-e: Interesting! What do the other mods you added do? I sort of think they probably help too
20:01:03 <int-e> I don't know exactly, but there are some defense mechanisms for a plain [-] and [+.] has a different rhythm so gets another chance to kill those defenders
20:01:39 <int-e> and the final change with miniscule effect is to never step off the arena if it has size 30
20:04:07 <kerbal> int-e: Makes sense
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20:13:49 <int-e> !ztest Checkers >((-)*17>(+)*16>(+)*17>(-)*17>)*2([-][+.]+>)*20[-][+.]
20:13:49 <zemhill> int-e.Checkers: points 0.00, score 23.22, rank 10/47
20:14:06 <int-e> (0.00! I don't know how that happened.)
20:14:17 <wob_jonas> nice
20:16:46 <kerbal> Cool!
20:17:06 <kerbal> How are the points calculated?
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20:19:54 <shachaf> int-e: Someone pointed out that L is still not idempotent.
20:21:31 <int-e> kerbal: I think it works like this: there are 42 jousts between a pair of programs (every combination of length 10..30 and sides the players are on), resulting in a score between -42 and 42; the tested program is pitted against all programs on the hill and the final score is the average of the resulting scores.
20:21:33 <shachaf> For example on the characteristic function of {1/n | n <- N+}
20:22:08 <kerbal> Ah. So, are higher or lower scores better?
20:22:22 <int-e> higher is better.
20:22:46 <kerbal> Ok
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20:23:11 <kerbal> But lower ranks are better, right?
20:23:43 <int-e> I don't know about the score computation though. yes, lower numbers for the rank are better.
20:24:04 <int-e> (I say numbers because I'd call them higher ranks...)
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20:25:03 <kerbal> So, how did you get 0 points and yet such a low rank (10/47)? Does that imply that lower points are better, or that they are calculated in some indecipherable way?
20:25:23 <kerbal> Wait, never mind
20:25:35 <kerbal> 0 points is higher than in many previous attempts
20:26:26 <wob_jonas> kerbal: higher points is better
20:26:33 <wob_jonas> !ztest suicide <
20:26:33 <zemhill> wob_jonas.suicide: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47
20:26:42 <wob_jonas> ^ low score, very bad
20:26:48 <wob_jonas> very good would be 46 points
20:27:25 <kerbal> What, then, is the difference between scores and points?
20:27:30 <int-e> Rugxulo: what are you up to?
20:27:44 <wob_jonas> wait
20:27:45 <wob_jonas> ...
20:27:51 <wob_jonas> I dunno
20:27:58 <Rugxulo> hmmm?
20:28:08 <Rugxulo> just bored
20:28:15 <wob_jonas> `? zemhill
20:28:16 <HackEgo> zemhill? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
20:28:51 <kerbal> So, you can do this:
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20:29:02 <kerbal> !help
20:29:02 <zemhill> kerbal: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information.
20:29:17 <kerbal> but as you can see that doesn't provide relevant info
20:29:28 <kerbal> maybe the website has our answer
20:30:13 <kerbal> no, it doesn't
20:30:17 <int-e> http://zem.fi/bfjoust/internals/ has details on "Markov scoring"
20:30:43 <kerbal> I stand corrected :)
20:31:06 <sleffy> `? hand
20:31:07 <HackEgo> A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird.
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20:37:26 <Rugxulo> so Graue hosts the archive now (on Github)? I forget who used to host it ...
20:38:41 <shachaf> `grwp github.com
20:38:44 <HackEgo> cookbook:Random food recipes at https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc \ esoteric files archive:The Esoteric Files Archive is now available at https://github.com/graue/esofiles \ font:#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://li
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20:39:07 <shachaf> `2 grwp github.com
20:39:08 <HackEgo> 2/2://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz \ lifthrasiir's font:lifthrasiir's font is https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png \ recipe:Random food recipes at https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc
20:39:54 <Rugxulo> the Befunge section seems a bit anemic
20:39:55 <shachaf> oerjan: You should adjust `2/distort so it breaks at exactly the right place. TWH
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20:58:16 <zemhill> kerbal.Tiny: points -14.62, score 10.39, rank 47/47
20:59:06 <zemhill> kerbal.Tiny: points -14.62, score 10.39, rank 47/47 (--)
20:59:29 <kerbal> Hey, look at that. zemhill echoes to #esoteric even when I send it a pm
21:01:07 <kerbal> I might as well make requests here
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21:04:53 <int-e> kerbal: it doesn't for tests. submissions *should* be rarer.
21:05:17 <kerbal> int-e: Ah... I see...
21:05:25 <kerbal> my bad
21:05:53 <kerbal> sorry
21:06:28 <zemhill> kerbal.Tiny: points -13.93, score 13.63, rank 39/47 (+8)
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21:07:11 <kerbal> sorry... I used the up arrow to load the last command and neglected to change the !zjoust to !ztest.
21:18:01 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -4.48, score 18.80, rank 18/47
21:18:16 <kerbal> That submission was intentional.
21:18:40 <shachaf> i,i intentional equality
21:21:09 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -4.48, score 18.80, rank 18/47 (--)
21:24:04 <Phantom_Hoover> Rugxulo, why're you versioning me
21:24:12 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover 2.0
21:26:25 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -4.55, score 18.82, rank 18/47 (--)
21:27:32 <shachaf> `5 w
21:27:37 <HackEgo> 1/2:apl//APL stands for Algorithmic Programming Language. \ vim//vim equals to cmxciv or cmxcvi, depending on which part of Roman Empire you are. \ football//A football is a ball made of feet. It was rdocscovered in an old burial site near a graveyard full of footless zombies. \ stone space//Stone spaces were invented by P. T. Barnum as a hoax. \ p
21:27:47 <shachaf> `n
21:27:48 <HackEgo> 2/2:atent//Patent is an adjective which means that something is painfully obvious. Often used to rightfully mock people that do not see it.
21:28:18 <wob_jonas> heh
21:28:52 <shachaf> `forget football
21:28:54 <HackEgo> Forget what?
21:29:30 <shachaf> `dowg stone space
21:29:39 <HackEgo> 8459:2016-06-12 <shachäf> le/rn stone space/Stone spaces were invented by P. T. Barnum as a hoax.
21:29:40 <Rugxulo> Phantom_Hoover: bored
21:29:40 <shachaf> mysterious
21:29:45 <shachaf> What was I thikning of?
21:30:05 <shachaf> Oh, I see.
21:30:29 <shachaf> That reads like a half-wisdom.
21:30:37 <shachaf> P. Taneb Barnum
21:30:42 <shachaf> `? tanebventions: math
21:30:43 <HackEgo> Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
21:31:17 <shachaf> `slwd tanebventions: math//s#alg#Stone spaces, &#
21:31:18 <HackEgo> tanebventions: math//Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
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21:37:29 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -2.86, score 19.94, rank 16/47 (--)
21:37:42 <wob_jonas> is there a small interpreter esolang where every token is exactly two bytes long yet is textual and intended to be hand-writable?
21:37:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52096&oldid=52092 * Raddish0 * (-66) /* Built-in functions */ added some stuff, fixed some stuff...
21:37:56 <wob_jonas> like a forth-alike?
21:38:11 <Rugxulo> why two bytes?
21:38:44 <wob_jonas> well one bytes is a bit too short and there are already lots of languages like that
21:38:56 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -2.88, score 19.92, rank 16/47 (--)
21:39:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52097&oldid=52096 * Raddish0 * (+59)
21:39:04 <zemhill> kerbal.Checkers: points -2.86, score 19.94, rank 16/47 (--)
21:39:20 <wob_jonas> and two bytes should be enough for not too big programs, and most people don't write big programs for small interpreter languages unless they have efficient hw impl
21:40:02 <Rugxulo> you really think "ad" is more readable than '+'?
21:40:08 <Rugxulo> or "sb" for '-'?
21:41:07 <Rugxulo> "small" (for a language) could mean anything
21:41:38 <wob_jonas> Rug: if you have 20..30 primitives and two hundred (functions and local variables together) you might not want to figure out how to assign them single char names so they don't collide
21:41:59 <wob_jonas> two hundred identifiers in your program that is
21:42:35 <wob_jonas> because your programming language is one that likes variables (like C), not one with lots of implicit unnamed stuff (like stack-based languages) or reusable registers
21:43:25 <fizzie> wob_jonas: It's not an answer to your question, but a reasonably large chunk of Burlesque has some resemblance.
21:44:01 <wob_jonas> ah yes
21:44:09 <Rugxulo> you mean like Oberon/0 (the successor to PL/0) ? Or Pascal-S (aka, subset) ?
21:44:28 <Rugxulo> I agree that one-byte opcodes aren't ideal, but two-byte isn't much better
21:46:00 <wob_jonas> I didn't say it was ideal
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21:55:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52098&oldid=52097 * Raddish0 * (+300)
22:05:11 <Rugxulo> try looking up Rosetta on the WayBack Archive
22:07:42 <Rugxulo> it seems to mostly be available there
22:18:20 <\oren\> the toki pona language attempts to represent a large percentage of human expression with 120 'tokens'
22:18:45 <wob_jonas> \oren\: and it fails hilariously. those words are not enough to say anything decent
22:18:52 <wob_jonas> it's a ridiculously bad attempt fora language
22:19:05 <wob_jonas> I hate toki pona
22:19:17 <\oren\> well what happens is you have long noun phrases for simple concepts
22:19:32 <\oren\> which are ambigous
22:20:26 <\oren\> at least that's what I recall from when I looked at it last
22:20:40 <wob_jonas> what happens is a language that can talk only about a few topics that the creators wanted to talk about. typical newspeak language, deliberately limiting the range of your expressions to just the thoughts they consider good for the cause
22:21:28 <wob_jonas> worse than python
22:22:28 <myname> ymmd
22:22:40 <\oren\> I bet they could have done way better if they had about 1000 words
22:23:10 <wob_jonas> \oren\: yes, and some other constructed languages try that
22:23:32 <\oren\> how many basic words are there in lojban again?
22:24:27 <wob_jonas> about 1200 root words and 500 grammar words
22:25:35 <wob_jonas> there are a few concepts missing convenient words, but not too many, and they can be added. between 800 and 4000 root words seems about the right number for a good language
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22:37:50 <Rugxulo> Joyo Kanji? supposedly 2136 words
22:39:03 <wob_jonas> those aren't words, they're characters. a lot of words are written with multiple kanji, or with multiple kana, and the kanji can stand for lots of words
22:39:09 <wob_jonas> it's a crazy ambiguous system
22:39:27 <Rugxulo> I've got a small text here about Esperanto, not sure exactly what number they're claiming, but you can get by with less than 1000
22:39:29 <wob_jonas> (though at least they don't have stupid irregular conjugations or declinations like most European languages)
22:40:03 <wob_jonas> @Rugxulo: there are a lot of such short lists. most are missing some topics that the compiler doesn't like or doesn't think of, but the order of magnitude is right
22:40:03 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
22:40:17 <Rugxulo> (665?)
22:41:38 <Rugxulo> search Google for "Jim Cushing" Esperanto
22:42:58 <wob_jonas> my Longman dictionary has a pretty good list which it tries to stick to for most word definitions, of about 1800 or 1900 words. does let them write all of the definitions in a natural way, which suggests it's a decent list for most topics
22:43:21 <wob_jonas> (it's a monolingual English dictionary)
22:45:21 <\oren\> wob_jonas: well, japanese has 3 irregular verbs... aru/arimasu/nai kuru/kimasu/konai and suru/simasu/sinai
22:45:53 <wob_jonas> \oren\: right. way better than most European languages
22:47:50 <wob_jonas> Hungarian declination and conjugation is terrible. it's so bad that people use some details that are utterly unimportant as shiboleth to recognize non-native speakers, there are some details that even native speakers can't agree on, and a few verbs are impossible to conjugate in half of the forms so you need to rephrase sentences if you tried to us
22:47:50 <wob_jonas> e them.
22:48:14 <\oren\> like english "can"
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22:48:48 <wob_jonas> or must
22:49:02 <\oren\> can, could, am able to (not "am canning"*)
22:49:26 <wob_jonas> I can't tell if you're kidding or not
22:49:56 <\oren\> there's no gerund for can
22:50:26 <wob_jonas> that's why it's a tinning kit, not a canning kit
22:51:35 <\oren\> must, must (musted*), am forced to (musting*)
22:52:44 <\oren\> must and can are almost like particles
22:53:29 <wob_jonas> `? can
22:53:30 <HackEgo> Can cans can cans?
22:53:30 <wob_jonas> `? must
22:53:32 <HackEgo> must? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
22:54:31 <zzo38> How to limit the depth of a Huffman tree?
22:55:16 <shachaf> It's not a Huffman tree anymore at that point, is it?
22:56:56 <wob_jonas> zzo38: fiddle with the model probabilities to increase the small ones?
22:58:33 <\oren\> a weird thing is that some of these defective verbs move around to hide it: "I have could write it"* -> "I could have written it"
22:58:38 <zzo38> wob_jonas: But how much to decide to do such thing?
23:00:05 <wob_jonas> \oren\: or more usually you just replace them with synonyms that have fuller paradigm: can => is able to; must => need;
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23:01:44 <\oren\> wob_jonas: oh, yeah and if you do that, the meaning is different
23:02:00 <wob_jonas> yes, the meaning becomes more regular or something
23:02:08 <wob_jonas> those other words behave more regular
23:02:18 <\oren\> "I have been able to write it" != "I could have written it"
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23:02:37 <\oren\> it fact they are almost opposite
23:03:05 <\oren\> because one implies you did write it, the other implies you didn't
23:03:19 <\oren\> despite their similiar formation
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23:08:26 <\oren\> ooh ELECTION TIME!
23:08:42 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52099&oldid=52098 * Raddish0 * (+104) add I command
23:08:45 <wob_jonas> what election?
23:09:06 <\oren\> in britain
23:09:20 <\oren\> May's election gamble BACKFIRES: Stunning exit poll suggests the PM has LOST seats and Britain is on course for a hung Parliament
23:09:52 <\oren\> GBP in nosedive
23:09:58 <wob_jonas> you're hanging your politicians? that's a nice system
23:10:44 <zzo38> I tried to improve the JPEG encoder to make its own Huffman tree, and it does result in smaller file size, and stb_image successfully decodes the JPEG file in that case, although ImageMagick complains about a bogus Huffman table definition and refuses to display it. (Currently, if it finds the depth of the Huffman tree is too much, it just discards it and uses the default instead.)
23:10:47 <shachaf> that would be "hanged" hth
23:10:56 <zzo38> How to fix these things?
23:12:07 <wob_jonas> zzo38: dunno
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23:20:50 <\oren\> helloily! brexiteers on suicide watch as tories lose seats, Sad!
23:21:51 <boily> he\\oren\! you're alive!
23:22:02 <fizzie> Been a lot of things about the election, and I can't even vote. :/
23:22:37 <\oren\> at this point watching elections is like my version of sports
23:24:37 <fizzie> They're pretty slow at counting here.
23:34:12 <\oren\> Péter Szijjártó being interviewed on RT right now about european-russian relations
23:39:16 <\oren\> despite his unfortunate haircut, seems like he has a coherent mind
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23:42:43 <Phantom_Hoover> fizzie, are you in a safe seat though
23:43:12 <shachaf> fizzie: Can you run for office?
23:43:28 <shachaf> imo fizzie for president of finland
23:44:25 <Rugxulo> fizland
23:44:28 <fizzie> Phantom_Hoover: I think so, though I've not really inquired.
23:44:40 <fizzie> shachaf: Haven't asked.
23:44:48 <zzo38> Wikipedia suggests a "package merge" algorithm for length-limited Huffman coding
23:45:20 <fizzie> Incidentally, I should now get an email if the "test" action at the web zemhill submission endpoint stops working. Maybe that'll mean more nines of being up.
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23:47:23 <wob_jonas> fizzie: more nines is good
23:50:31 <boily> fizziello, Phantom_Helloover, helloochaf, Rugxello, fiziello, hezzo38, wellob_jonas.
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23:50:37 <boily> hellørjan!
23:51:29 <wob_jonas> helloily
23:55:06 <oerjan> ohaily
23:57:55 <\oren\> swindon north to tories
23:58:09 <\oren\> that's the first tory seat announced so far
23:59:35 <alercah> I declare scotland for SNP
23:59:53 <alercah> do they do one whole riding at a time, rather than counting them in separate batches?
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00:00:28 <\oren\> not sure
00:05:11 <wob_jonas> `? president
00:05:12 <HackEgo> president? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:05:57 <wob_jonas> `wisdom
00:05:58 <HackEgo> amphiboily//Amphiboily is Franglish grammatical hambiguity, rewarded with a mapole.
00:06:05 <wob_jonas> `quote
00:06:06 <HackEgo> 593) <oerjan> elliott: it occurs to me that `? welcome is atypical: its information is actually true.
00:06:10 <wob_jonas> `quote
00:06:11 <HackEgo> 706) <fungot> elliott: fibonacci heaps, trinomial heaps, fat heaps, thin heaps, fat heaps, thin heaps, fat heaps, relaxed heaps, and maybe even specifically optimized by the implementation
00:06:29 <wob_jonas> `quote
00:06:30 <HackEgo> 368) <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: nope, I removed . from the current directory
00:08:28 <boily> je suis pas si amphiboilique like that, eh?
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00:11:06 <wob_jonas> amphiboilic?
00:11:21 <shachaf> `5 w
00:11:26 <HackEgo> 1/2:victoria//Queen Victoria is the most victorious queen the world has ever known, even having won at the not dying contest. \ atrocity//Atrocity is the capital of the Atrocious Empire. \ heh//heh stands for hope ectoplasm helps. \ trantor//Coruscant is a planet covered entirely by a city. It is the capital of the Galactic Empire, and the home for
00:11:27 <shachaf> `n
00:11:28 <HackEgo> 2/2: the biggest library in it. \ fisherman's friend//Fisherman's Friend is the friend of the palate that is more sore than discerning.
00:11:52 <wob_jonas> one of those is mine
00:12:12 <shachaf> `cwlprits trantor
00:12:20 <HackEgo> b_jonäs b_jonäs
00:12:30 <shachaf> guess the b_jonasdom
00:14:15 <wob_jonas> `wisdom
00:14:16 <HackEgo> deniability//Deniability was not invented by Taneb.
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00:17:34 <wob_jonas> fungot, do you tensor product?
00:17:35 <fungot> wob_jonas: i do lack bitwise not it seems to work great for simple stuff, write/ read/ write/... calls), then it should
00:17:58 <wob_jonas> fungot: nice! are those simultaneous?
00:17:58 <fungot> wob_jonas: " shut up about it, but jao started it
00:18:03 <wob_jonas> ugh ok
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00:19:55 <fizzie> fungot: Try to behave, you.
00:19:56 <fungot> fizzie: enough builtin stuff to make apps quickly is always nice to see the rates fall. is there a page for it
00:22:23 <wob_jonas> `? endian
00:22:24 <HackEgo> endian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:22:33 <wob_jonas> I prefer little-endian
00:26:31 <zzo38> I also think little-endian is better, although, some thing is use big-endian (and some thing is using PDP-endian, but this is rare).
00:27:32 <wob_jonas> but I know that in practice it very rarely matters
00:27:45 <wob_jonas> and I do know a few applications where big-endian is a bit simpler
00:27:48 <shachaf> imo little-endian is best-endian
00:27:57 <zzo38> wob_jonas: Yes, I believe those things too
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00:29:21 <zzo38> MMIX is big-endian, and farbfeld is also big endian, and Z-machine is usually big-endian, although there is a small-endian version of Z-machine too (but that has never been used as far as I know, and most implementations only implement big-endian anyways). Hamster archive is using PDP-endian for data sizes.
00:30:00 <oerjan> !ztest did this get fixed?
00:30:01 <zemhill> oerjan.did: points -32.57, score 4.20, rank 47/47
00:31:30 <zzo38> (My own implementations of Z-machine support both big-endian and small-endian. Some implementations will check for small-endian and display an error message in that case. Some don't check endiannessand assume big-endian. Others don't check the Z-code version either.)
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00:46:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brain-Flak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52100&oldid=52063 * Wheatwizard * (+130)
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00:56:05 <esoman42> Is there an esoteric language that allows you to edit its interpreter?
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00:58:28 <zzo38> How do you mean?
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00:59:12 <LKoen> are you looking for something similar to Emmental or Mascarpone?
00:59:19 <LKoen> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Emmental
01:00:56 <esoman42> Emmental only allows redefining operations. I'm thinking of total intrepreter rewrite.
01:01:13 <esoman42> Like, you could morph the interpreter into Haskell for example, if you really wanted.
01:02:52 <LKoen> in mascarpone it is possible to modify the interpreters directly, to some extent
01:04:11 <oerjan> esoman42: Feather hth
01:04:27 * oerjan runs away
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03:02:04 <zzo38> I thought of the Magic: the Gathering card that is: Target spell or permanent has all card names until end of turn. I think that it is very powerful in some cases, and good in some other cases too; maybe is too much powerful I don't know
03:02:45 <shachaf> What does it do to give a spell or permanent a card name?
03:02:50 <shachaf> Does it get that card's jams?
03:03:20 <zzo38> By itself, it only affects what permanents are affected by the legend rule.
03:04:13 <zzo38> In combination with Quash, it ruins your opponent's game entirely.
03:05:59 <shachaf> Ah, I see.
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04:09:26 <zzo38> I made a much faster implementation of the Worley/Voronoi partitioning now, by deciding for each scanline, what point in the list of points is the first point to consider for that scanline, and then it searches forward and then backward from that scanline to determine the nearest point(s). Before, it only searched forward from the first point instead of knowing which one per scanline.
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05:24:40 <zzo38> This "ff-worley" program can, with some sets of options, to make something similar to the "Mosaic" filter in GIMP. However, each of these programs does things the other one does not, and they probably work by different algorithms (which gives further differences).
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05:53:12 <zzo38> As far as I can tell, neither ImageMagick nor GIMP nor G'MIC has the ability to compute the tensor product of two pictures; only my program (ff-tensor) does.
05:53:35 <zzo38> Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see any.
06:02:10 <shachaf> Taneb: whoa whoa whoa, did you just steal fizzie's joke without attribution tdnh
06:03:14 <shachaf> Assuming it's originally fizzie's, which I guess maybe it isn't?
06:03:45 <zzo38> Which joke you meant?
06:04:40 <shachaf> `quote INVISIBLE TIMES
06:04:41 <HackEgo> 997) <fizzie> "May you live in INVISIBLE TIMES." --Old Chinese proverb. (It can look confusing when written with the proper Unicode.)
06:05:55 <Taneb> shachaf, because the UK's general election puts us into relative INVISIBLE TIMES
06:06:25 <pikhq_> MRLP is the only winner today.
06:08:05 <\oren\> aaand now I'm into videos where there aren't any comments from <4 years ago and it feels like I should let them lie instead of descrating the ruins of culture long dead
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12:05:06 <HackEgo> warrigal//Warrigal is #esoteric's resident dingo. It sometimes pretends to be a human.
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17:49:22 <\oren\> prime minister boris johnson when?
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18:47:45 <shachaf> pikhq_: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-silicon-valley-ceo-indicted-allegedly-defrauding-employees-tech-company-start
18:47:55 <shachaf> wht a riot
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18:55:49 <pikhq_> :)
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19:46:39 <wob_jonas> "<zzo38> I thought of the Magic: the Gathering card that is: Target spell or permanent has all card names until end of turn." => would that give the target only the names of all cards, or also some token names like Kaldra?
19:47:29 <zzo38> Only card names
19:47:42 <wob_jonas> this can matter because of the legend rule (you can target a permanent or spell that's already legendary)
19:47:45 <wob_jonas> ok
19:47:49 <zzo38> If it currently has any name that isn't a card name, I should think it is losing those other names.
19:48:21 <wob_jonas> you have to be careful with it, this can make the opponent sacrifice a legend if he has any two legends
19:48:57 <wob_jonas> if he has three, you can make him choose to sac the target legend or the other two
19:49:04 <zzo38> Yes I know, I said it is very powerful
19:49:55 <zzo38> (Especially if you also have Quash, but it is powerful even if you don't have Quash)
19:50:28 <wob_jonas> ah, Quash is nice!
19:51:49 <wob_jonas> I didn't know about that one, only similar cards like like the Echoing cycle from Darksteel
19:53:06 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name echoing decay
19:53:07 <HackEgo> Echoing Decay \ 1B \ Instant \ Target creature and all other creatures with the same name as that creature get -2/-2 until end of turn. \ DST-C
19:53:08 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name blight
19:53:09 <HackEgo> Blight \ BB \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant land \ When enchanted land becomes tapped, destroy it. \ LE-U, 4E-U, 5E-U, 6E-U, MED-U \ \ Blight Herder \ 5 \ Creature -- Eldrazi Processor \ 4/5 \ When you cast Blight Herder, you may put two cards your opponents own from exile into their owners' graveyards. If you do, create three 1/1 colorless Eldraz
19:53:30 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name bile blight
19:53:32 <HackEgo> Bile Blight \ BB \ Instant \ Target creature and all other creatures with the same name as that creature get -3/-3 until end of turn. \ BNG-U
19:54:00 <zzo38> There is the stuff like that too. There is also Spy Kit.
19:54:17 <wob_jonas> oh wait
19:54:22 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name cornered-market
19:54:23 <HackEgo> No output.
19:54:28 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name cornered market
19:54:29 <HackEgo> Cornered Market \ 2W \ Enchantment \ Players can't cast spells with the same name as a nontoken permanent. \ Players can't play nonbasic lands with the same name as a nontoken permanent. \ MM-R
19:54:33 <wob_jonas> ^ that one is good too
19:54:45 <zzo38> Yes, there is also that
19:54:55 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name counterbo
19:54:56 <HackEgo> Counterbore \ 3UU \ Instant \ Counter target spell. Search its controller's graveyard, hand, and library for all cards with the same name as that spell and exile them. Then that player shuffles his or her library. \ SHM-R
19:55:23 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name crumble to dust
19:55:23 <HackEgo> Crumble to Dust \ 3R \ Sorcery \ Devoid (This card has no color.) \ Exile target nonbasic land. Search its controller's graveyard, hand, and library for any number of cards with the same name as that land and exile them. Then that player shuffles his or her library. \ BFZ-U
19:57:07 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name eradicate
19:57:08 <HackEgo> Eradicate \ 2BB \ Sorcery \ Exile target nonblack creature. Search its controller's graveyard, hand, and library for all cards with the same name as that creature and exile them. Then that player shuffles his or her library. \ UD-U, BOK-U
19:57:11 <wob_jonas> there seems to be a ton of these
19:57:14 <wob_jonas> I didn't know
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20:01:00 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name mimeofr
20:01:01 <HackEgo> No output.
20:01:19 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name mimeofa
20:01:20 <HackEgo> Mimeofacture \ 3U \ Sorcery \ Replicate {3}{U} (When you cast this spell, copy it for each time you paid its replicate cost. You may choose new targets for the copies.) \ Choose target permanent an opponent controls. Search that player's library for a card with the same name and put it onto the battlefield under your control. Then that player shuff
20:01:33 <wob_jonas> nah, that isn't good enough
20:02:46 <zzo38> You should fix it so that it will omit the reminder text, that way the rest of the text can be visible.
20:02:58 <zzo38> (and so that a search can ignore the reminder text)
20:03:12 <wob_jonas> dunno. I like some of the remainder texts. the flying and reach reminder texts are boring, but some of them are useful
20:03:21 <wob_jonas> anyway, feel free to edit the script if you wish
20:03:27 <rdococ> ihi
20:03:33 <wob_jonas> or filter the text file then edit the script to use the other text file
20:03:48 <wob_jonas> (just keep the original for backpu)
20:04:01 <zzo38> Yes, that is the possibility too, to have both kind
20:05:05 <zzo38> It is possible to look up a keyword ability in the rules if you don't know what it means.
20:06:38 <zzo38> Do you make up a new card too?
20:07:41 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name scour
20:07:42 <HackEgo> Scour \ 2WW \ Instant \ Exile target enchantment. Search its controller's graveyard, hand, and library for all cards with the same name as that enchantment and exile them. Then that player shuffles his or her library. \ UD-U, BOK-U \ \ Scour from Existence \ 7 \ Instant \ Exile target permanent. \ BFZ-C \ \ Scour the Laboratory \ 4UU \ Instant \
20:09:47 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name sowing salt
20:09:47 <HackEgo> Sowing Salt \ 2RR \ Sorcery \ Exile target nonbasic land. Search its controller's graveyard, hand, and library for all cards with the same name as that land and exile them. Then that player shuffles his or her library. \ UD-U, BOK-U
20:09:55 <zzo38> Now I made program to make outline of areas in a picture, where the alpha channel originally specifies what area it belongs to. Possibly in future we can make these program the improved program compared with the other program (in some ways).
20:10:17 <zzo38> wob_jonas: O, I did not know all of those card now I can see it
20:12:25 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name surging dementia
20:12:26 <HackEgo> Surging Dementia \ 1B \ Sorcery \ Ripple 4 (When you cast this spell, you may reveal the top four cards of your library. You may cast any revealed cards with the same name as this spell without paying their mana costs. Put the rest on the bottom of your library.) \ Target player discards a card. \ CSP-C
20:12:39 <wob_jonas> ^ there's a cycle of five of this one
20:12:52 <wob_jonas> sadly the blue one has a higher mc
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20:54:16 <zzo38> Yes, I know about ripple keyword ability
20:55:27 <zzo38> I have thought of also stuff such as non-creatures with embalm, non-creatures with ninjutsu, etc.
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21:49:05 <z0d> hi
21:49:57 <zzo38> Hello
21:50:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52121&oldid=52119 * Raddish0 * (+365) added '.' and ',' also changed "R"
21:51:04 <wob_jonas> hello
22:01:39 <zzo38> Do you think there is any useful way to make up the points used to make up a Voronoi diagram or any kind of metric that can be use with this, that I may have missed?
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23:15:40 <boily> TRAAAAAAAAAAAAIN
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23:29:59 <fizzie> `TRAAAAAAAAAAAAIN
23:30:00 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: TRAAAAAAAAAAAAIN: not found
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00:02:31 <Warrigal> hth
00:03:17 <shachaf> fizzie: I was going to implement it but I think it'd require enough `ns to get me kicked out of the channel.
00:03:27 <shachaf> fizzie: imo add multiline output to HackEgo twh
00:03:33 <shachaf> (imo don't twhem)
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00:47:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:MD XF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52122&oldid=52120 * MD XF * (+164)
00:47:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:MD XF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52123&oldid=52122 * MD XF * (+1)
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00:50:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52124&oldid=52121 * MD XF * (+7) Fixed some formatting for ya :-)
00:50:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52125&oldid=52124 * MD XF * (+17) whoops
00:55:34 <Sgeo_> https://joshumax.github.io/general/2017/06/08/how-torch-broke-ls.html
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01:08:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:MD XF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52126&oldid=52123 * Oerjan * (+86) It works like this hth
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01:19:45 <izabera> http://snapper.rooms.cwal.net/coin.pdf the final quote
01:19:58 <shachaf> `5 w
01:20:03 <HackEgo> 1/2:phantom_______hoover//It doesn't get any better than this. \ citation//Citation needed \ automatic squirrel feeder//Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them. \ pipe//This is not a pipe. \ wisdome//The Wisdome is the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight t
01:20:09 <shachaf> `n
01:20:10 <HackEgo> 2/2:o the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom. Strictly speaking, it should be called the "Wissphere".
01:26:37 <shachaf> izabera: What is the proper definition of a real number?
01:27:25 <oerjan> it's an element of the unique up to isomorphism complete archimedean ordered field hth
01:28:17 <shachaf> oerjan: is that really the best characterization of the reals twh
01:28:26 <shachaf> What are some interesting alternate (e.g. not algebraic) characterizations of the reals?
01:29:12 <oerjan> i don't know. unifying algebra and topology is like their reason to exist.
01:29:37 <shachaf> There's the characterization of the closed real interval that I linked the other day, that one is pretty good.
01:30:09 <shachaf> https://mathoverflow.net/questions/92206/what-properties-make-0-1-a-good-candidate-for-defining-fundamental-groups
01:30:23 <oerjan> i saw that.
01:30:29 <shachaf> But I suspect there are others.
01:31:33 <shachaf> You get something homeomorphic to the interval by quotienting the Cantor set by x111... = y000..., right?
01:31:58 <shachaf> I mean, that's not really a characterization, but it's probably a useful perspective.
01:31:59 <oerjan> yeah.
01:32:27 <oerjan> there are many useful perspectives, that's _why_ the reals are important.
01:32:42 <shachaf> Right.
01:32:53 <shachaf> But everyone always says "complete ordered field".
01:33:01 <shachaf> Is that perspective even that good?
01:33:10 <shachaf> What *are* the reals? We just don't know.
01:33:55 <Cale> `smlist
01:33:56 <HackEgo> smlist: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale
01:33:58 <Cale> http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=453
01:34:06 <shachaf> `thanks Cale
01:34:06 <HackEgo> Thanks, Cale. Thale.
01:36:26 <shachaf> Cale: what do you think the best characterization of the reals is twh
01:39:09 <Cale> The Dedekind-complete ordered field thing isn't bad -- but its content is in all the theorems which flow out of that. You can get essentially everything important from those properties without actually specifying a construction of the reals.
01:39:40 <Cale> Maybe constructively, you need a little more -- I'm not sure.
01:39:50 <Cale> (but probably)
01:41:18 <shachaf> A lot of topological uses of the reals have nothing to do with them being a field, though.
01:42:12 <Cale> That's fair
01:43:12 <shachaf> It's like defining pi as being half the ratio of a circle's circumference to its radius.
01:43:56 <shachaf> It's correct, but pi is a more fundamental constant than a geometric definition suggests.
01:50:49 <Cale> I'd like to understand pi better from a non-geometrical view. It's easy to understand e in a combinatorial way.
01:52:24 <Cale> Did you know that you can show [0,1] is uncountable using only topological properties?
01:52:59 <Cale> More generally, you can show that a compact Hausdorff space with no isolated points is uncountable.
01:55:26 <Cale> You can also do it with just the ordering properties.
01:56:03 <Cale> (which makes sense because the topology follows from the ordering, but there's a much more direct route to it)
01:56:30 <shachaf> There's a theorem that 3SAT can't be solved by a RAM machine in better than n^(2*cos(pi/7)) time and n^o(1) space.
01:56:53 <shachaf> A bit of an odd constant to see in that context.
01:57:27 <Cale> How did they get that bound though?
01:57:48 <shachaf> It's the root of some polynomial.
01:58:07 <oerjan> ah, so not a real pi.
01:58:25 <shachaf> Not a real pi. It's cos of a rational multiple of pi, so kind of cheating.
01:59:02 <shachaf> c^3 - c^2 - 2c + 1 = 0
01:59:16 <oerjan> 2*Re(1^(1/14))
01:59:30 <oerjan> wait, just degree 3?
02:00:00 <Cale> yeah
02:00:08 <shachaf> > let c = 2 * cos (pi/7) in c^3 - c^2 - 2*c + 1
02:00:10 <lambdabot> 0.0
02:00:16 <Cale> and I guess the geometry comes in because roots of unity
02:02:11 <Cale> You can write 2 cos(pi/7) as e^(i pi/7) + e^(-i pi/7)
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02:26:15 <boily> `5 w
02:26:20 <HackEgo> 1/1:united states//See America. \ cocoon//Cocoon was built by the fal'Cie, and floats above Gran Pulse. \ recursive//See: recursion \ logic//Logic is just another way the true Scotsman is keeping you down. \ bonsaikitten//Bonsaikitten is the cat typing behind the glass of the CRT when you run the cat command.
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03:07:03 <zzo38> Is there the possibility to make up something that would try to decode a JPEG picture and improve the quality by reducing compression artifacts? The quality can be known by looking inside of the file, so hopefully could be seen how much quantization errors there may be.
03:08:36 <LKoen> denoising autoencoders?
03:09:52 <LKoen> or are you looking for something working with the fourier transform directly?
03:10:40 <zzo38> That works with the JPEG encoded data
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03:27:17 <zzo38> What I mean is tampering with the dequantization step so that instead of just integer multiplication, it can try to guess what number was divided by the quantization matrix in order to improve the quality of the picture.
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03:29:28 <zzo38> So it is a picture that could have been the input to the JPEG encoder, just by making the guess of which one it is. There is many possibility and that is one guess.
03:35:54 <zzo38> Even if the quantization matrix is all 1, it is still lossy, so there is still a possibility to do.
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04:01:37 <Warrigal> shachaf: I'm assuming that "twhem" means "that would help eliminate magicians".
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06:44:14 <adu> hppavilion[1]!
06:44:26 <hppavilion[1]> adu!
06:44:34 <adu> how goes?
06:47:02 <hppavilion[1]> Fine.
06:52:06 <adu> did you ever prove your Tetration theory?
07:19:46 <rdococ> hi
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08:53:44 <\oren\> I HATE SUMMER
08:53:53 <\oren\> HATE HATE HATE
08:55:49 <rdococ> h8*
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10:11:54 <quintopia> :/
10:14:27 <rdococ> SUMMER
10:52:31 <quintopia> i have an idea
10:53:27 <quintopia> a lang idea that i dont know if its tc but probably is
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13:07:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52127&oldid=52125 * Raddish0 * (+251) /* Built-in functions */ added "_"
13:13:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52128&oldid=52127 * Raddish0 * (+133) /* Built-in functions */ added some more specification for how an interpreter, or compiler should handle string definition.
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13:29:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52129&oldid=52128 * Raddish0 * (-73) /* Some example programs */ changed the rot13 example. completely rewritten. also added a quine.
13:33:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Micro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52130&oldid=52129 * Raddish0 * (-42) /* Built-in functions */ changed the functionality of "."; took some functionality off of "\"
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