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02:35:18 <shapr> andreou: you know any of the guys at lambrakis research foundation?
02:35:55 <shapr> ok, just wondering
02:37:56 <shapr> I spent a few days in athens some months ago... interesting place.
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01:04:30 <diviner> could you tell me whats going on right here?
01:04:53 <andreou> we're waiting for the rest 23 wizards
01:05:45 <diviner> and when you've got all the wizards, then what youre up to?
01:05:59 <andreou> taking over the world, what else?!
01:06:21 <andreou> http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Obfuscated
01:06:33 <diviner> thats great, just what I'm interested in!
01:07:01 <diviner> what can be more interesting than that?!?!
01:07:33 <andreou> take a ticket and stand in the line
01:08:23 <andreou> well, it's pretty long :-)
01:08:44 <andreou> it's still pretty damn long :-))
01:09:10 <diviner> and if I wanted only to take over the world of alcohol?
01:09:12 <lament> diviner: hello, and welcome to the channel dedicated to worship of myself.
01:09:23 <lament> diviner: You're free to pray to me, as well.
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08:17:10 <dbc> Any idea what "toru mistro karga toru" means?
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13:48:20 <andreou> localhost.localdomain Hello IDENT:fizzie@, pleased to meet you
13:49:22 <fizzie> oh no, I'm not going to go through the whole smtp negotiation again.
13:49:33 <fizzie> I don't have anything that important to say anyway.
13:49:42 <andreou> hehe :-) i thought you'd chicken out! :)
14:18:31 <mooz_> that would have been an interesting negotiation
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14:19:59 <fizzie> mooz; we did it once here.
14:24:12 <mooz_> meant today's version
14:25:29 <fizzie> I was kind of waiting for the EHLO answer, whether he supports 8BITMIME and so on.
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20:34:59 <andreou> http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~jaffer/YMBAMI
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21:28:24 <mooz_> addition in binary with fingers is easy, but can't do quick binary->decimal->binary conversion yet
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21:29:35 <mooz_> still, mathematicians counting in binary with fingers might be grossly exaggerated, our lecturer doesn't even use a calculator
21:29:58 <mooz_> only computer or blackboard+chalk+decimal
21:30:30 <mooz_> base 12 isn't that much better
21:31:06 <mooz_> 30 would, but it's a bit large
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22:58:10 <fizzie> what a perfectly normal conversatin. 'who's that? .. oh wait, it's just me'
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23:17:43 <andreou> re whois that?/j #greekgeeks
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02:58:09 <andreou> know of any good free prolog implementation? except gnu prolog.
02:59:34 <Taaus> http://kti.ms.mff.cuni.cz/~bartak/prolog/implementations.html :)
02:59:38 <Taaus> Google is my friend ;)
02:59:41 <andreou> http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Prolog/Implementations/
03:00:00 <andreou> i'm just looking for real people's recommendations :)
03:00:37 <Taaus> I've never used Prolog, I'm afraid :/ ...
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01:02:08 <andreou> hey people, can somebody try something for me? :)
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22:15:52 <andreou> erm wait a minute. riaa.org is the official site????
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22:19:44 <andreou> just got a screen dump of it :)
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13:49:41 <shapr> I recently found Haskell described as an "esoteric language" in an archived news article.
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09:13:06 <lament> taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaus
09:14:08 <fizzie> he's egtting a lot of exercise.
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17:28:50 <andreou> have you read structure and interpretation of classical mechanics?
17:29:08 <fizzie> mhmm, unfortunately not.
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00:57:09 <lament> He does. He's the channel owner.
00:58:06 <hcf> you're the successor chanserv says
00:58:26 <hcf> (that's why i asked you)
00:58:52 <lament> Yes, because he tends to forget the password :)
00:59:12 <hcf> and isn't here as much as you
01:01:40 <hcf> http://www.tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
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09:55:20 <dbc> Just trying to make things a little more interesting. Think it'll work if I do it more slowly?
09:55:55 <dbc> Well, may as well try. Please don't interrupt.
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09:59:01 <fizzie> printed with a befunge prog or something? I recall seeing a sierpinski-triangle-printer once.
10:09:59 <dbc> That one is NYYRIKKI's brainfuck version.
10:12:04 <fizzie> ah, re befunge, just wrote an interpreter with forth. so our unofficial befunge-interpreters-in-obsolete-but-non-esoteric-languages project now has forth, fortran-77, algol-60, plus few less interesting ones. maybe should do cobol next.
10:12:47 <dbc> I've just translated a much less well-known fractal though. Again please don't interrupt...(and sorry for monopolizing the channel...this should be the last...)
10:13:12 <lament> fizzie: go to #forth and say it's obsolete, i dare you
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10:17:58 <dbc> (Actually that probably needs, at the least, a change of font to look good...)
10:18:37 <lament> you don't know what font i'm using :)
10:19:14 <dbc> Are you using one as wide as it is high?
10:19:57 <lament> what fractal is that, anyway?
10:20:02 <dbc> I had suspected not. People don't usually. Still I left the "probably" there as a weasel word.
10:20:46 <dbc> That's the result of a Fredkin rule cellular automaton (one that sets each cell to the parity of its neighbors)...
10:21:40 <dbc> eight neighbors, starting condition only one cell turned on...this is I think after 32 iterations.
10:22:19 <lament> hm, there doesn't seem to be a mandelbrot generator in brainfuck
10:23:18 <dbc> Well, it can also be constructed like the koch snowflake etc, by repeatedly replacing a certain pattern of lines with another one...
10:23:34 <dbc> though the parts come out at different speeds with that method.
10:32:28 <dbc> Good luck on that project, anyway...
10:38:47 <lament> besides, i have a magic brainfuck preprocessor
10:38:54 <dbc> Oh christ.
10:40:28 <lament> all i need is a good representation for fractional numbers.
10:44:06 <lament> i searched google for 'imaginary numbers'
10:44:21 <lament> the very first result is some page in the university of toronto
10:44:27 <lament> 'Do "Imaginary Numbers" Really Exist?'
10:44:39 <lament> and they give a long answer to that
10:44:48 <lament> which includes "Imaginary numbers do exist."
10:45:04 <lament> Jesus christ, it's the leading canadian university
10:45:12 <lament> And they're saying imaginary numbers exist :\
10:46:00 <lament> and they're using an extremely broken argument to prove their 'existance'
11:00:42 <dbc> I'm not sure the question is even well-defined.
11:01:29 <lament> I would be terrified to find out numbers actually existed.
11:01:41 <dbc> Why? They don't have teeth.
11:01:51 <lament> dbc: only because they don't exist!
11:02:53 <lament> Stupid fractional numbers.
11:03:29 <dbc> You can keep them as numerator and denominator, no?
11:03:31 <lament> They don't exist either, but they sure are stupid.
11:04:44 <lament> problematic on 8-bit brainfuck machines.
11:05:15 <dbc> well, you can keep both numerator and denominator as strings of binary or decimal digits, one per cell. Probably faster anyway.
11:06:17 <lament> I think I just suck at brainfuck.
11:07:25 <dbc> Oh. That would be unfortunate.
11:07:45 <dbc> Does brainfuck exist?
11:09:15 <lament> no, but it seems to have teeth anyway.
11:13:59 <lament> that looks like a Dr. Seuss character.
11:14:25 <dbc> Self-portrait. There's another on my web page now.
11:15:10 <lament> You look like a Dr. Seuss character? Cool
11:15:39 <dbc> (which is the 22nd google response for "brainfuck")
11:16:28 <dbc> (must depart)
11:23:29 <fizzie> according to googlism, 'brainfuck is not sexy', 'brainfuck is the ultimate sexual experience', 'brainfuck is too obviously evil', 'brainfuck is too obviously evil' and 'brainfuck is now'.
11:28:10 <fizzie> googlism.com, which has recently acquired annoying popups. you give it a word or two, and it searches google and returns 'foo is bar'-style sentences.
11:28:40 <fizzie> according to googlism, I personally am "60 mm in diameter and each weighs over 5 oz"
11:32:36 <lament> "lament is the cheat and a dirty bastard"
11:33:09 <lament> "lament is that we put undergraduates through three years of lecture"
11:33:37 <lament> "brainfuck is better than"
11:58:51 <dbc> Have a look at the responses for "bush".
11:59:28 <dbc> bush is engaged in feverish diplomacy to stop an india
11:59:40 <dbc> bush is glad
12:00:11 <lament> I like how the first 4 responses are inflammatory.
12:00:49 <dbc> bush is the
12:01:08 <lament> "bush is also a member of the illuminist"
12:01:22 <lament> "bush is winning god still blesses america
12:01:44 <lament> "bush is doomed to fail if he doesn't cut off financing of terrorists"
12:02:53 <dbc> I like the ones that aren't complete sentences best :/
12:06:10 <dbc> "googlism is"
12:06:19 <dbc> "googlism is working now"
12:06:24 <dbc> (that's the complete list)
13:46:08 <Taaus> I'm negative, apparently... :o
13:46:18 <Taaus> 'taus is less than 0'
13:46:56 <Taaus> 'taus is my favorite actress and singer' o_O
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13:49:37 <lament> 'esoteric cheese' sounds better than 'esoteric programming'.
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15:23:12 <lament> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language
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13:22:41 <dbc1> There should be a function "escalate" that takes one argument and returns a brawl *8)#
13:26:07 <lament> Are brawls arguments? :)
13:26:51 <lament> It would makes sense, sorta. And brawls can escalate.
13:27:12 <lament> A few more helper functions, and you could do brawl arithmetic.
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13:56:35 <Speuler> what's the current project going on here ?
13:58:54 <Speuler> this may be the space for my future project :)
13:59:28 <Speuler> need sombody to sponsor it though
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18:27:25 <exarkun> Anyone familiar w/ Concurrent Funge 98?
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18:57:15 <exarkun> d'you know if the stack stack is shared between threads in concurrent funge?
18:57:54 <fizzie> each has its own stack.
18:58:07 <exarkun> yea, each has its own stack
18:58:15 <lament> I have never heard of concurrent funge :(
18:58:16 <exarkun> but the docs don't say anything about the stack stack
18:58:50 <exarkun> oh well, I'll assume they each have their own for now, and maybe email the guy and ask him to clarify :)
18:58:52 <fizzie> wellll.. stack is just what's on top of the stack stack.
18:59:01 <fizzie> so I'd say it's not shared.
18:59:23 <fizzie> in befunge97 or 96 they had shared stacks, which sounds really, really sick.
18:59:40 <fizzie> doesn't matter much, haven't seen any concurrent-funge programs yet really.
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20:57:28 <lament> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<.
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21:20:43 <andreou> I thought this was the ``lament worshiping channel''.
21:21:26 <lament> not anymore. Now we all worship aardappel.
21:22:16 <andreou> Is this transferrable? If I get aard to worship me, will your aard worships be transferred to me too?
21:23:56 -!- andreou has set topic: The official World worships Aardappel worships andreou channel, logs at http://www.tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
21:25:34 * Taaus worships andreou directly, giving Aardappel a 1 worship disadvantage
21:26:13 <lament> andreou: we haven't yet established that aard worhips you.
21:27:06 -!- andreou has set topic: Worship-related discordia, logs at http://www.tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ . He who worshipeth me geteth chicks and money..
21:28:45 <Taaus> Wow... You made lament talk like a baby chicken... Your powers are indeed divine.
21:30:11 <andreou> You mean, there were questions?
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21:31:07 <Taaus> I thought lilo was god ;)
21:31:22 <lament> meaning, there's no end to his wallops.
21:31:33 <Taaus> Don't use +w, then.
21:31:36 <lament> I'm only one of the sephiroth.
21:38:03 <andreou> as in ``with the wind'',...
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21:40:16 <lament> Taaus: see what happens when you worship the wrong deity.
21:41:21 <Taaus> I'll just worship lilo instead... :x
21:41:40 <lament> lilo is not very esoteric.
21:42:08 <Taaus> I'll worship myself, then.
21:43:11 <lament> I don't think you can do that -- Russell's paradox rears its beautiful head.
21:43:27 <lament> If you worship yourself, your head might turn into a Bottom.
21:44:18 <Taaus> Who's to say that hasn't already happened? ;)
21:56:08 <lament> There should be a Discordian Public License.
21:59:40 <lament> Can a self-denying document have legal meaning?
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09:34:55 <dbc> Hello cruel world.
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21:59:22 <lament> | should be the symbol of this channel.
21:59:29 <lament> | should be the symbol of this channel.
21:59:54 <lament> Lambda would be better, because lambda is always better
22:00:00 <lament> but there's no lambda in ascii :(
22:00:08 <Taaus> Of course... Lambda the Ultimate Channel Symbol.
22:00:44 <lament> Yes, and besides, Lambda is the gay & lesbian organization.
22:01:00 <Taaus> Ooh... I didn't know that.
22:08:14 -!- lament has set topic: Welcome to POPE, the Paratheo-anametamystikhood Of Programming Esoteric || logs at http://www.tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
22:09:28 <lament> Some guy in #forth wanted to write a Forth in Brainfuck
22:09:38 <lament> but refused to come here.
22:10:47 <fizzie> what with the topics on this channel, not a surprise (s?he|it) refused.
22:11:45 <lament> (s?he|it) is quite a novel way to write "they" :)
22:12:27 <fizzie> well, it's not like 'they' all refused, just this particular person, and I wasn't sure of the gender.
22:15:50 <fizzie> if I say 'they refused to' it sounds to me like they all did that.
23:16:10 <dbc> I like "person". Shortened from "that person" in order to be workable. "What with the topics, not a surprise person refused."
23:16:50 <dbc> Of course as far as I know I'm the only person to use this pronoun.
23:19:18 <lament> "e" is fun but too silly.
23:20:03 <fizzie> 'e' is nice but I always forget what the different variations were.
23:20:50 <lament> "that bitch" is good, too.
23:21:05 <fizzie> it sounds a bit agressive though.
23:21:52 <lament> well if someone finds it offensive, fuck that btich!
23:27:54 <dbc> btich is a good spelling, separates it from past uses of the word. You could keep the pronunciation the same.
23:32:26 <lament> You could even write "person", and pronounce "bitch"
23:35:42 <dbc> Or the other way around...
23:36:18 <dbc> (which is probably safer. "bitch" is safest in electronic media...spoken, it carries some risk of immediate physical retaliation...)
23:37:43 <lament> Your smiley is extremely Seussy.
23:43:24 <dbc> I don't think I can come up with a better representation offhand...here's what I'm working with: http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/daniel.png
23:45:04 <lament> Or at least evil-looking.
23:48:07 <dbc> So what would be your smiley translation?
23:48:27 -!- lament has set topic: Welcome to POPE, the Paratheo-anametamystikhood Of hmProgramming Esoteric || logs at http://www.tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
23:48:37 -!- lament has set topic: Welcome to POPE, the Paratheo-anametamystikhood Of Programming Esoteric || logs at http://www.tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
23:51:19 <lament> this is me, by the way:
23:52:15 <fizzie> for some inexplicable reason, that reminds me of a fish. no offense intended.
23:52:52 <dbc> so you're right-handed?
23:52:59 <fizzie> now that reminds me of a guy driving a motorcycle.
23:53:21 <lament> dbc: fish are right-handed?
23:53:36 <dbc> lament no, I was going based on the picture, not the discussion :)
23:53:53 <lament> I'm left-handed actually.
23:54:10 <dbc> And you call me evil?
23:54:41 <dbc> Actually, I just voted to RAISE PEOPLE'S TAXES! B'wa ha ha ha!
23:55:35 <dbc> and now if you'll excuse me I've got to get the ballots down to the polling place to put my nefarious plan into effect.
23:57:29 <lament> You are officially excused. Go ahead.
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21:37:51 <Taaus> Hehe. As long as the formalities are in order... ;)
22:01:38 <andreou> so many people, so little chat.
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16:00:23 <lament> This is annoying. The more I learn about programming languages, the harder it is to come up with something esoteric.
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06:02:45 <SamB> doesn't more esoteric programming discussion happen in #Python then here?
06:03:04 <lament> Probably. We need to change that.
06:03:28 <lament> This channel is lamentably quiet. We need more people.
06:03:50 * SamB yells: "EXARKUN! get in here!"
06:05:36 <lament> It's sad how many people haven't yet seen the light.
06:05:58 <lament> There's a guy in #forth who wants to write a forth in brainfuck.
06:06:05 <lament> And he's afraid to go here.
06:06:50 <SamB> why thats crazy!
06:07:07 <SamB> much worse then an httpd in MOO
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06:07:15 <exarkun> this channel is boring though
06:07:26 <SamB> exarkun: less boring with monkeys
06:07:27 <exarkun> people only talk once every 52 days
06:07:33 <lament> more monkeys, less boring
06:07:37 <lament> exarkun: wrong! read the logs
06:07:47 <lament> there was conversation here three days ago!
06:07:48 <exarkun> too much work, I have to go idle now
06:07:53 <SamB> lament just talked at least 10 times
06:08:01 <SamB> in a few minutes
06:08:22 <exarkun> Has everyone seen my multithreaded trefunge 98 "hello world" program?
06:08:47 <exarkun> I know. But it was my first program, so that's ok
06:08:51 <exarkun> Greater evil will come later
06:08:55 <SamB> I don't suppose anybody understands how listen() works in lambdamoo exactly?
06:09:06 <exarkun> SamB: Did you pass it an integer?
06:09:27 <SamB> I did listen(this, this.port)
06:09:38 <SamB> with this.port being 7780
06:11:20 <SamB> But when telnet in and type "http/1.1 get /\n\n", this:do_login_command() doesn't seem to get called
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06:23:59 <SamB> at least I managed to install MacMOOSE
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09:24:09 <dbc> Why not try a holiday in #esoteric this year? See the lovely topics, the wonderful logging system, and many interesting silent programmers, including the majestic channel owner.
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22:40:16 <exarkun> clog: speak to me, heathen
22:43:38 <lament> clog is too smart to listen to you.
22:44:16 <exarkun> I should write an IRC logging bog in concurrent funge. would that be evil enough for you?
22:44:51 <lament> "bog" is "god" in russian.
22:45:37 <lament> No Pantheon is complete without an IRC-logging God.
22:50:26 <lament> This channel has too many gods already: clog, the logging god; andreou, the god of chicks and money; me, the god of inviting people; aardappel, the god of everything else.
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02:48:06 <lament> We don't hail Eris in this channel. We hail Aardappel instead.
02:48:52 <syah> well the hail to him to ;)
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