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06:50:39 <lament> hello, silent sullen people
06:50:46 <lament> half-devil and half-child
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03:57:44 <fizzie> ehlo ehlo. it si quite late where I am now (0600 or so).
03:58:46 <Taaus> Same here. Only an hour earlier.
04:00:13 <lament> same here, only it's 20:00
04:02:16 <lament> Taaus: what's an easy fugue to play?
04:03:18 <Taaus> Well... BWV 952 is relatively easy.
04:10:16 <Taaus> Well... The D major and E minor fugues from WTC1 are not-too-difficult.
04:12:23 <lament> my mother said e minor was very difficult
04:12:56 <Taaus> Well... It's a matter of taste, I guess... The E minor fugue is only two voices, and that helps a lot.
04:14:41 <lament> but i trust my mother!
04:15:44 <Taaus> Well... Maybe you'd be better off with some easy inventions, then?
04:19:44 <lament> although they can certainly be inventive.
04:22:26 <Taaus> I'm going to bed. G'night all!
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00:38:13 <andreou> mwahaha now you're one of the people again
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07:26:40 <andreou> unhealthy paranoia for the masses, via weird media: http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0311/feature1/index.html
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00:39:41 <calamari_> have you heard from chris pressey lately?
00:39:58 <andreou> nah, i haven't been paying close attention to the lists
00:40:18 <calamari_> he hasn't posted in a long time and his webpage is down
00:40:50 <calamari_> ahh maybe thats where I went wrong.. posted on lang
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00:42:06 <calamari_> well .. found out that my expr1<expr2 was all messed up.. several algorithms later I made something that not only worked for < but > <= and >=.. I was excited :) ran it through all 65536 combos to make sure each one was perfect
00:43:37 <calamari_> I'm hoping a better bf coder will go through my source and tighten things up
00:44:44 <calamari_> just 4 things left and I'm "done": FOR, SELECT CASE, PRINT ; and -expr
00:45:58 <andreou> no, don't do it in java...
00:46:18 <calamari_> why not? java is a great language to get things done in
00:46:32 -!- lament has set topic: Happy Aftermath!.
00:46:40 <lament> nobody bothers changing the topic here :(
00:46:54 <andreou> lament: just got back from celebrating bureflux? :)
00:47:13 <lament> no, i was here, but i don't bother either :)
00:47:21 <calamari_> andreou: its gpl so you can write the c port if you really want to ;)
00:49:16 <andreou> heh i plan on getting involved again in two weeks; most things are in a state of turmoil around here right now :(
00:49:17 <calamari_> basic and java have such nice string functions.. and I'm not constantly worrying about pointers or memory.
00:49:27 <andreou> and i have to check the dmoz category too
00:49:40 <andreou> well, you could do it in python...
00:49:56 <lament> that wouldn't be fucked up enough
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00:50:52 <calamari_> java is also fairly portable.. my previous version was in microsoft basic for ms-dos..not very portable
00:50:58 <andreou> people, greet steve... steve is a neophyte brainfuck programmer who wants to extend it :)
00:51:27 <lament> hi steve, we'll cure you!@
00:51:41 <andreou> so we all need to make him BELIEVE that it's bad to extend brainfuck :)
00:51:43 <lament> wanting to extend brainfuck is a nasty disease that most people go through.
00:52:01 <calamari_> andreou i'm not a good role model for that.. I like to add @ for exit :)
00:52:12 <andreou> calamari_ we have EOF for exit :)
00:52:24 <calamari_> my calculator doesn't understand eof
00:52:26 <stevaras> actuallu i think it could be better if it could manage fd
00:52:31 <calamari_> but it gets along with @ just fine
00:52:32 <andreou> calamari_ what calculator...
00:53:11 <calamari_> it actually uses numbers.. there isn't a number -> char function :)
00:53:44 <andreou> yeah, i more-or-less know... i was coding in hp basic for the 40g some time ago
00:54:23 <andreou> oh, in comp.sys.hp48 there was an interesting thread in which two brainfuck compilers/interpreters crept up... i meant to summarize it and send it over to lang@ and fob
00:54:29 <calamari_> andreou: http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/impl/interp/calculator/casiobf.txt
00:54:46 <andreou> stevaras at that time i was too proud to cheat
00:55:10 <andreou> calamari_ you have a hp48?
00:55:13 <stevaras> can some1 tell me why o love brainfuck ?
00:55:38 <andreou> calamari_ indeed... i have the 49g, and just adore it. and the 48 is even better
00:56:08 <andreou> stevaras that's technically impossible, i've already told you that
00:56:13 <calamari_> I would have learned the asm for the calc, but I was afraid if I did I would fail my calculus class again so I forced myself not to
00:56:28 <andreou> you code in sysrpl i presume...
00:56:56 <andreou> you really should move over to sysrpl, it's really fun and follows the userrpl paradigm
00:57:27 <calamari_> if I was going for it I'd go all the way w/ pure asm.. more speed, more fun
00:57:31 <andreou> get rplman from hpcalc.org and you should be a sysrpl coder in about four or five hours
00:57:55 <andreou> sure, but sometimes ML introduces unnecessary programming overhead
00:58:20 <andreou> and most of the times to do something usefull you result in using GOSBVLs to supported entry points, i.e. SysRPL commands
00:59:05 <andreou> stevaras shut up you show-off, you don't have an sgi yet :)
00:59:20 <stevaras> i was just asking stinky greekhead
00:59:32 <calamari_> also did a ti82 version.. that was the calc that I played with instead of studying ;)
00:59:59 <andreou> calamari_ eh, ticalc question... are they z80 based or 68k-based?
01:00:21 <stevaras> brainfuck env under sgi environment
01:00:21 <stevaras> brainfuck d.kit under sgi environment
01:00:24 <andreou> ah? i'm sure it's one of the two
01:00:35 <lament> andreou: models up to 86 are z80
01:00:46 <andreou> ah and 89 and 92 are 68k ,i see
01:00:48 <lament> the higher ones are 68k
01:00:51 <calamari_> oh nm.. I was thinking hp I guess, saturn iirc
01:02:20 <andreou> calamari_ you're jeff johnson?
01:02:35 <calamari_> I was working on a hp 41cx version but got discouraged when I realized there wasn't enough ram for hello world
01:04:03 <calamari_> I don't recognize many names anymore, what are you famous for on the list?
01:05:19 <andreou> heh bf golf... i have to solve the rest of the challenges
01:05:24 <andreou> how many are there, three in total?
01:05:49 <lament> it's probably time for a new bfgolf contest
01:06:06 <lament> as the last one was almost a year ago :)
01:06:09 <andreou> oh by the way, most of you will have a hell of a time in www.research.ibm.com/ponder
01:06:15 <andreou> most of the puzzles are real fun
01:06:22 <lament> any ideas on the golf challenge?
01:07:19 <andreou> heh will ponder on the subject
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03:20:32 -!- andreou has set topic: Welcome to #esoteric. For every new user you bring in you will get $10,- worth of coupons!.
03:30:07 <andreou> stevaras you were two very good $5,- coupons
03:31:12 <andreou> or we will ban you and kill your dog
03:31:23 <lament> kill you and ban your dog
03:31:54 <lament> or i'll just force you to teach me greek
03:32:10 <andreou> lament "geia soy" is "hello.
03:32:16 <andreou> lament "ante gamisou" is "fuck off"
03:32:27 <andreou> that's the most important of all greek...
03:32:40 <andreou> plus "allos enas gyros parakalo" ("another round please")
03:32:47 <lament> get my ass kicked by greek people
03:33:08 <andreou> lament greek people are too drunk or too stoned to be anything but moronic pacifist
03:33:33 <andreou> lament what's your name in the lists?
03:33:57 <andreou> lament lang@, sci@ and misc@
03:34:19 <andreou> stevaras go to www.catseye.mb.ca and see how you can join the lists :)
03:35:34 <lament> sounds like some dish in a greek restaraunt.
03:36:09 <stevaras> and the waitress may put her pants down
03:36:32 <stevaras> greek women never but never shave their pussy
03:36:49 <andreou> stevaras: i love the way you talk english... talk dirty to me pleaseee
03:40:02 <stevaras> on computer architecture and organisation
03:40:16 -!- andreou has set topic: Please don't forget to add your new language at http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Obfuscated/ (or any other related category).
03:41:08 <andreou> what do you mean badly written?
03:41:36 <stevaras> koita na breis ticket na er8eis
03:41:46 <andreou> i was asking about your previous statement
03:41:51 <andreou> ah rh install finished, wait a bit plz
03:42:51 <andreou> damn, the ssh2 dsa host key was generated in under two seconds, while it takes minutes on my ultra 1 :(
03:43:28 <lament> economic reasons, mostly.
03:43:49 <stevaras> canada is not that interesting
03:44:48 <lament> what's so interesting about russia?
03:45:13 <lament> if you mean "scary", perhaps
03:45:18 <lament> (the government, not the women)
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10:00:26 <dbc> Here's a question. Consider a language made of all the extensions yet proposed for brainfuck (insofar as they can be made consistent with each other), but not including the eight original brainfuck instructions. Is it Turing-complete?
10:01:09 <dbc> And would the people who proposed those extensions perhaps enjoy programming in it?
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05:48:29 <lament> the first three-part invention
05:48:57 <lament> the subject starts on G, the answer starts on C
06:05:22 <lament> of course it's a sinfonia not an invention
06:05:43 <lament> but everybody calls it an invention anyway, so there!
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06:31:38 <andreou> who could tell that translating basic programs into c code would be such an irritating feat...
06:32:33 <lament> i don't believe you :)
06:32:38 <andreou> because i guarantee you, it is a *very* irritating thing...
06:32:52 <lament> i still don't believe you!
06:33:05 <lament> seems trivial to me. What's hard?
06:33:40 <andreou> the translation of a basic program into c code
06:33:58 <lament> no, what exactly is irritating about it?
06:34:02 <andreou> heh, i'm such a good eliza bot
06:35:11 <andreou> the most irritating thing is that in basic one can use a new variable right in the middle of nowhere, so i have new variables coming up all the time
06:35:50 <andreou> so, i brought out a piece of paper and started writing them down
06:36:02 <andreou> and then there are the GOTOs... now I understand why they are 'dreaded'.
06:36:19 <lament> you mean you're converting the code by hand, not automatically?
06:36:51 <andreou> yes, i--why, there's automatic conversion?
06:37:06 <lament> i thought you were writing a basic->c compiler.
06:37:20 <andreou> no, i have a .bas and i'm turning it into a .c
06:37:32 <andreou> no time for flex/yacc fun :)
06:38:17 <andreou> and the program is some sort of an exponential regression or something, and i don't know exp. regression :)
06:38:28 <andreou> so i have to read up on statistics too, to make it a bit more compact
06:38:54 <andreou> and it's about thermal currents, so, more exploring of new domains awaits me
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00:33:19 <lament> finally, a new holiday :)
00:34:40 <lament> and why did you change it?
00:35:25 <andreou> because one important piece of paper found its way to the bin
00:36:31 <andreou> i was cleaning my room and as usual a pile of hardware and paperware was left in the living room "to be sorted out later today", and one week later my mom "sorted it out"
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04:26:30 <andreou> hm we're very international
04:34:57 <dbc> all from the northern hemisphere, though.
04:37:51 <andreou> first the northern hemisphere, then the world! mwahaha
04:38:03 <andreou> ah i just found a box of old 1.44mb disks... nostalgia...
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02:18:48 <dx> hello to you sir
02:18:57 <lament> welcome to the dark side
02:19:08 <lament> this channel is so awful that we have logs on tunes.org!
02:19:21 <dx> yeah i noticed
02:19:46 <dx> that is fabulous
02:20:10 * dx looks up the word esoteric
02:20:48 <lament> i believe the correct etymology involves "a bunch of potheads"
02:21:10 <dx> i can dig it
02:22:22 <lament> this is also the home channel of the official centennial brainfuck golf contest.
02:23:04 <dx> how do you play golf with brainfuck
02:23:51 <deltab> do something in the shortest way you can
02:24:45 <dx> i have ten files from 1991
02:25:12 <dx> it is the first internet worm
02:25:47 <dx> it is confusing
02:25:55 <dx> and esoteric
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05:35:08 <lament> i can almost play the first WTC prelude!
05:35:14 <lament> better than gould at least.
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