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18:02:10 * calamari_ is happy.. figured out how to do bitwise AND, OR, & XOR with only 6 memory cells
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20:31:06 <calamari_> pretty well.. implementing my and/or/xor
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23:43:33 <calamari_> oh, to answer your question.. I have logical AND and OR support in BFBASIC, but I figured out how to do bitwise AND OR and XOR in brainf***
23:44:12 <calamari_> well, that has never been difficult, but doing it without using a lot of memory was a chore
23:45:46 <calamari_> I finally decided on the lame approach.. figure out odd or even (basically get the rightmost bit), then divide by 2. Do this for the other number. Compare logic and/or/xor for 0 or 1 (easy). Add to answer. Repeat 8 times
23:46:37 <calamari_> So I am converting to binary, but not keeping the answer around so I only need a few temp cells
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00:25:04 <cognition> NAND is the only operator you ever need.
00:25:17 <cognition> with it you can create all other boolean operators
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03:23:17 -!- lament has set topic: http://www.icehouse.net/nungester/HP16C_e{1,2}.jpg || http://www.kisa.ca/oou.html - not a programming language, but certainly an esoteric one.
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19:59:48 <calamari_> oou seems interesting, but I can't figure out what all the vowels are like. need some kind of word usage "ae" as in ash
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02:04:35 <dx> i can pop my right wrist but i have never been able to pop my left
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19:20:58 <lament> playing fugues is impossible
19:35:39 <lament> and playing fugues is impossible, so it's impossible
19:38:00 <stevaras> fugues is not defined as the impossible though
19:38:23 <stevaras> therefore it is not impossible
19:39:01 <stevaras> so using truth tables to your premise
19:42:38 <lament> fugues are defined is the impossible
19:42:41 <lament> i defined them that way
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20:06:55 <andreou> "only impossible is impossible"
20:07:00 <andreou> heh this kid will never learn
20:07:25 <andreou> ahahaha schaum's outlines!!!
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01:52:31 <lament> no, it should be lament
01:53:41 <lament> and in the wrong direction
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01:42:06 <lament> Taaus: http://www.unpronounceable.com/gould/
01:54:17 <lament> somebody started posting spam on the bfgolf forums
02:13:29 <lament> Taaus: listen to music samples.
02:14:22 <Taaus> I had no idea Gould's voice was so similar to Cartman's...
02:15:51 <Taaus> Ironically, you can hear some of Gould's actual humming on the "filtered" version.
02:17:43 <lament> well, it's clearly not perfect
02:17:47 <lament> but it does filter a lot!
02:18:27 <Taaus> Moving on to more esoteric matters... Are you familiar with the (La)TeX package called Xy-pic?
02:19:35 <Taaus> Okay. I'm not quite sure whether or not it should be considered esoteric. It's pretty widely used... The syntax is right up there, though.
02:29:46 <Taaus> It's a macro package for typesetting diagrams and graphs.
02:32:43 <Taaus> I'm not sure.. It doesn't have any looping constructs, as far as I can see... Although it might be possible to implement it with a stack.. Hmm.
02:37:34 <Taaus> Cool. I made it blow the stack with a loop.
02:38:14 <Taaus> @+(0,0) @@{@+(1,1)}
02:39:07 <Taaus> @+<coord> is "push <coord> onto stack", @@<coord> is "do <coord> for each item in stack"
02:40:49 <Taaus> Yes... Most of what this package does is to manipulate coordinates.
02:41:40 <lament> how do you do <coord> to a <coord>?
02:41:41 <Taaus> A stack operation counts as a <coord>. And { ... }is just to group more <coord>s as one <coord>.
02:42:42 <Taaus> Well, the <coord> popped from the stack is placed in a special variable called the "current coordinate".
02:43:26 <Taaus> The @+ operation doesn't affect the current coordinate, but it does push its argument onto the stack.
02:59:07 <Taaus> I guess you could implement a kind of truth values using empty/non-empty stacks...
02:59:23 <Taaus> It's possible to save stacks in variables, BTW.
03:24:37 <lament> is a stack just a type of coordinate? :)
03:25:02 <Taaus> Well, yes. All variables are :)
03:25:30 <Taaus> <coord>="<id>" saves <coord> for later use in "<id>"
03:29:06 <Taaus> Formally, every diagram is <pos> <decor>, where <pos> ::= <coord> |<pos><some operation><coord>
03:30:02 <Taaus> All of these set c (the current coordinate) to <pos>, and then do whatever the <operation> describes.
03:41:04 <Taaus> Grr... Saving stacks in variables seems to be... Limited, somehow... It seems it has to take place directly after the stack has been initialised.
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04:30:29 <calamari_> messing around with bf genetic programming
04:31:00 <lament> what are you trying to grow?
04:31:01 <calamari_> I still have much to learn before I'm cranking out anything useful.. just fun for now :)
04:32:17 <calamari_> right now I am trying to just get it to print some text
04:32:42 <calamari_> but I'm not that far yet.. need to figure out how it will select individuals to be mutated, etc
05:52:24 <calamari_> the fitness of the population is getting worse and worse instead of better
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06:58:17 <calamari_> my genetic programming bf text generator is a lot better now
06:58:42 <calamari_> found the 111 byte Hello World in just a few seconds :)
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08:59:42 <lament> woo, i can almost play fugues
09:01:53 <lament> i'm learning piano the hacker's way
09:02:06 <lament> (take the hardest thing you can find, then convince yourself it's easy)
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