00:00:02 <jix> nooga: writing a brainfuck compiler, optimizing
00:00:09 <nooga> ah, another one? ;d
00:00:15 <oerjan> jix: can you give an example code of how you would use this if it actually worked?
00:01:47 <jix> ehird: uhm overkill for sure
00:01:47 <jix> i'm talking about parsing brainfuck
00:01:47 <ehird> jix: it's so simple...
00:01:47 <ehird> loop = do char '['; instructions <- many bf; char ']'; return instructions
00:01:47 <nooga> RDParser is good ;d
00:01:47 <ehird> jix: how's that overkill?
00:01:47 <ehird> it's in the base library, y'know
00:01:47 <ehird> nooga: that's a stupid ruby thing.
00:01:47 <nooga> but it's not bloated
00:01:51 <jix> nooga: i'm not going to use ruby for this task
00:02:18 <ehird> jix: trust me, parsec will make you happy ;)
00:02:18 <nooga> jix: write brainfuck compiler in brainfuck
00:02:18 <jix> ehird: well it would have been a 3 liner or so with this thing
00:02:18 <AnMaster> jix, are you aiming to be better than esotope?
00:02:35 <ehird> jix: plus the 30 line overhead
00:04:53 <ehird> jix: a bf parser is a 3-liner w/ parsec too
00:04:53 <jix> ehird: yeah but i don't know how to use parsec yet
00:04:53 <ehird> jix: you just need a few simple things:
00:04:53 <nooga> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
00:04:53 <pikhq> Brainfuck parsing is trivial...
00:04:53 <ehird> but parsec is trivial too
00:04:53 <nooga> MY MAC MINI DROWNED IN TEA
00:04:53 <ehird> and is the easiest, best way to handle this
00:04:53 <nooga> but hmm, still working
00:04:53 <AnMaster> I'm doing a simple recursive decent one whenever I parse BF
00:04:53 <GregorR> A good BF competition would be to write a program in BF that optimizes the /time/ efficiency of BF programs.
00:04:53 <nooga> am I still here? :D
00:04:53 <ehird> GregorR: Big O, you mean?
00:04:53 <pikhq> GregorR: Loop unrolling! :D
00:04:53 <ehird> nooga: do not sacrilege Steve-O again or you shall die.
00:04:53 <GregorR> ehird: Number of steps when run with some hidden input, I mean. pikhq: And yeah, loop unrolling would be big.
00:04:53 <nooga> ehird: what 'sacrilege' means?
00:04:53 <GregorR> e.g. the program ++[>++<-] might become >++++
00:04:53 <ehird> nooga: press control-command-d while hovering over it
00:04:53 <ehird> tada! instant dictionary
00:04:53 <AnMaster> GregorR, because any optimising BF->C will probably reduce the O(n)
00:04:53 <ehird> (that works in all OS X apps)
00:05:02 <GregorR> AnMaster: I was just talking about a BF optimizer, not an optimizing BF-to-bleh-izer.
00:05:04 <nooga> ehird: that was magical
00:05:18 <nooga> ehird: OS X provides this or what?
00:05:31 <AnMaster> GregorR, actually you could hook up a BF backend to either esotope or in-between I think
00:05:44 <nooga> omfg omfg, this makes me love that little computer
00:05:59 <AnMaster> GregorR, would probably be a "pessisation" for that though...
00:06:23 <AnMaster> GregorR, I "issed" a bit there ;P
00:06:35 <pikhq> Loop unrolling! :D
00:06:45 <AnMaster> pikhq, sure. But loops can be shorter sometimes
00:07:00 <GregorR> Uh oh, pikhq is broken. He can only say "Loop unrolling! :D"
00:07:00 <pikhq> AnMaster: But rarely are they type efficient.
00:07:22 <pikhq> I've had 4 hours of sleep. Bite me.
00:07:33 <GregorR> I prefer my sacrifices to be rested.
00:07:35 <nooga> ehird: can I install Polish for that dictionary?
00:07:51 <ehird> nooga: open Dictionary.app
00:07:56 <ehird> and hit Cmd-, for preferences
00:07:57 <AnMaster> and ehird, I will remember to show you some pics of Lapland when i get back. Are you happy with 14 MB mrw images?
00:08:17 <ehird> it seems you can add dictionaries to it
00:08:17 <AnMaster> ehird, what about 16 MB TIFFs then?
00:08:17 <ehird> nooga: so i guess you hafta download one
00:08:32 <ehird> AnMaster: in a zip or tgz, plz.
00:08:42 <AnMaster> and yes my camera produces larger tiffs than raw images
00:08:58 <AnMaster> considering how long I will be away
00:09:05 <ehird> AnMaster: just convert them
00:09:16 <ehird> AnMaster: when you get back, I mean
00:10:34 <ehird> do raw, pop in the biggest memory card, ...
00:10:34 <AnMaster> ehird, I have one 512 and one 256 MB card.
00:10:34 <ehird> nooga: there's probably a dictionary on apple.com
00:10:34 <ehird> AnMaster: wtf that's tiny
00:10:34 <AnMaster> ehird, it was huge when I got the camera
00:10:34 <ehird> AnMaster: well that's 36.5 pictures
00:10:34 <ehird> i don't think I could handle any more :)
00:10:34 <AnMaster> ehird, I'm going for high quality jpg
00:10:34 <ehird> now i don't have to look at them :)
00:10:34 <AnMaster> might buy another CF card when I'm up there
00:11:27 <ehird> TURN INTO A BADGER!
00:11:42 <ehird> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger
00:12:25 <AnMaster> ehird, Sorry, I didn't go to Hogwarts.
00:12:32 <ehird> nooga: you gotsa download one, wiz your mind!
00:12:42 <nooga> btw. it's weird thing
00:13:09 <AnMaster> The Pirate Party got one place in EU
00:13:11 <nooga> because i seem not to notice in what language is the text i'm reading
00:13:20 <ehird> AnMaster: We celebrated a bit a few hours ago.
00:13:31 <nooga> if it's either polish or english
00:13:36 <AnMaster> ehird, I was watching the "valvaka" on TV then
00:13:36 <nooga> is it good or bad?
00:13:43 <ehird> nooga: means you're fluent
00:13:54 <AnMaster> ehird, and even more yay: Miljöpartiet got one more place!
00:13:55 <ehird> AnMaster: valvaka?
00:14:04 <AnMaster> ehird, um... Don't know English word
00:14:06 <nooga> ehird: at least before first unusual word
00:14:10 <ehird> Miljöpartiet? /me looks up. oh, another generic green party
00:14:21 <ehird> "However, the party remains predominantly EU-critical."
00:14:26 <ehird> not gonna be very useful in EU parliament then.
00:17:09 <coppro> wait, the Pirate Party got a seat?
00:17:10 <AnMaster> as in, been around for quite some time
00:17:10 <ehird> AnMaster: 1981 isn't a long time
00:17:10 <ehird> oerjan: less literal translation kthx
00:17:10 <AnMaster> oerjan, you know what I mean right?
00:17:10 <oerjan> ehird: hm i suppose wake has only the funeral meaning in english
00:17:10 <ehird> wake means awake :P
00:17:10 <ehird> AnMaster: anyway since when is 1981 a long time ago
00:17:10 <ehird> the conservative party in the uk has been around since 1832 ("modern", apparently; "historical" is 1678)
00:17:10 <GregorR> Five years before my birth :P
00:17:10 <ehird> ah historical=tories
00:17:10 <oerjan> myndzi is so useful for parties \o/
00:17:10 <AnMaster> ehird, So... It is older than Mosaic. And you said that Mosaic was "ancient" before.
00:17:10 <ehird> myndzi: oh, that's a script?
00:17:27 <ehird> AnMaster: Einstein wants a word with you.
00:17:32 <oerjan> ehird: not in a party mood? \o| \o/ |o/
00:17:52 <ehird> AnMaster: Yeah; about this thing called "relativity".
00:17:57 <ehird> AnMaster: What I said was also a joke.
00:18:11 <AnMaster> ehird, "Yeah, you claim that now"
00:18:18 <ehird> myndzi: party \o| \o/ |o/
00:18:28 <ehird> AnMaster: dude, of course it was a joke...
00:18:31 <oerjan> GregorR: it assumes it's offset by nick length
00:18:32 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later").
00:18:37 <GregorR> Why do some of myndzi's dancers have exposed penises?
00:19:13 <ehird> Right, there's one solution to this.
00:19:13 <oerjan> so if you line up the end of nicks it won't show up right
00:19:13 <ehird> myndzi: party \o| \o/ |o/
00:19:13 <ehird> myndzi: party \o| \o/ |o/
00:19:13 <ehird> myndzi: party \o| \o/ |o/
00:19:13 <ehird> myndzi: party \o| \o/ |o/
00:19:13 <ehird> myndzi: party \o| \o/ |o/
00:19:13 <ehird> myndzi: party \o| \o/ |o/
00:19:13 <ehird> myndzi: party \o| \o/ |o/
00:19:13 <ehird> myndzi: party \o| \o/ |o/
00:19:13 <ehird> AnMaster: you mean #esoteric-blah.
00:19:13 <ehird> I'm trying to flood myndzi off :)
00:19:13 <GregorR> myndzi has flood protection.
00:19:13 <oerjan> lament: kick ehird please
00:19:17 <GregorR> So anyway, why do some of myndzi's dancers have exposed penises?
00:19:21 <ehird> oerjan: kick lament please
00:19:26 <ehird> AnMaster: myndzi is a person with a script.
00:19:33 <ehird> unfortunately this script has rate limiting
00:22:19 <oerjan> ehird is a person without humor
00:22:19 <pikhq> GregorR: EL GAMAL!
00:22:19 <ehird> oerjan: telling you to kick lament isn't humour? :-P
00:22:19 * GregorR now listens to The Most Unwanted Music.
00:22:19 <AnMaster> (and I seriously have no idea about what you are talking about)
00:22:19 <ehird> GregorR: I love that thing so muhc
00:22:19 <AnMaster> GregorR, one of the "masterpieces"?
00:22:19 <ehird> two guys did this study
00:22:19 <ehird> asked people what they liked/disliked in a song
00:22:19 <ehird> they made the thesis and antithesis of it
00:22:19 <ehird> the antithesis is a brilliant 10 minute work with children singing about corporatism
00:22:19 <GregorR> The Most Wanted Music is terrible drudgery, as expected.
00:22:19 <ehird> and various holidays
00:22:19 <ehird> with the tuba and shit
00:22:19 <ehird> the most wanted music is a shitty smooth r&b track with yeayeayeayeahs
00:22:24 <ehird> and oooh baby i looooooooove you's.
00:22:25 <GregorR> And a soprano rapping about riding her horse and stuff.
00:23:05 <ehird> AnMaster: absolutely!
00:23:12 <GregorR> It's sociology, not hard science :P
00:23:14 <ehird> the most wanted: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/listening_post/files/KomarMelamid_The-Most-Wanted-Song.mp3
00:23:18 * ehird tries to find the most unwanted
00:23:24 <GregorR> I've got an MP3 if somebody wants.
00:23:35 <ehird> http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/komar_melamid/KomarMelamid_The-Most-UnwantedSong.mp3
00:23:41 <ehird> it's actually 25 minutes long
00:24:18 <GregorR> (Long music was amongst the disliked properties)
00:24:18 <ehird> http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/17/25-minute-compositio.html
00:24:18 <ehird> ↑ lists all the properties
00:24:22 <nooga> komar means a mosquito in Polish
00:24:30 <GregorR> And judging by the title, thinks that 25 minuets is an accomplishment in and of itself ...
00:24:38 <nooga> Komar (Komarek) is also old Polish motorbike
00:24:39 <AnMaster> GregorR, hm... well I can see that. It is better to be able to take a short pause between the movements for shifting the position of the headphones and such
00:24:44 <ehird> i eat 60 minute tracks for breakfast.
00:24:49 <ehird> AnMaster: ...that's totally irrelevant :D
00:24:58 <ehird> long songs are dreary and boring most of the time
00:25:05 <ehird> since they just repeat forever.
00:25:10 <GregorR> ehird: Do all your shopping at Wal-Mart!
00:25:27 <AnMaster> ehird, the unwanted one isn't too bad so far
00:25:40 <oerjan> ehird: does england have wal-marts?
00:25:45 <ehird> AnMaster: wait until you get to the soprano rap!
00:25:52 <GregorR> It's not poorly written by any stretch of the imagination.
00:25:53 <AnMaster> ehird, I don't have 25 minutes btw
00:25:55 <ehird> oerjan: we have Asdas, which are owned by wal-mart.
00:27:13 <ehird> AnMaster: skip around the track
00:27:14 <AnMaster> GregorR, oh, nothing like Schönberg then?
00:27:14 <ehird> your tastes in music are really weird, beats are wonderful :P
00:27:14 <ehird> anyway, shut up; it's wonderful
00:27:14 <GregorR> Hahaha, totally forgot about the soprano rapping about philosophy X-D
00:27:21 <AnMaster> GregorR, I didn't manage to catch the words
00:27:33 <nooga> ehird: long songs are dreary and boring most of the time << except Pink Floyd
00:27:36 <ehird> AnMaster: amusical.
00:27:47 <ehird> nooga: OVERHEAD THE ALBATROSS HANGS MOTIONLESS UPON THE AIR
00:27:49 <GregorR> AnMaster: I can barely understand them (and can't at some times), but I don't have a language barrier :P
00:28:02 <AnMaster> ehird, certainly. But "modern classical" too.
00:28:10 <ehird> AnMaster: a = not.
00:28:14 <nooga> ehird: indeed, and guess what i'm going to drop on my itunes
00:28:14 <AnMaster> GregorR, even harder with the language barrier.
00:28:27 <ehird> nooga: Meddle's a crap album unfortunately :P
00:28:38 <ehird> CHRISTMAS TIME CHRISTMAS TIME
00:29:10 <AnMaster> GregorR, and I'm NOT able to understand when sung in opera style. Even in Swedish.
00:30:05 <AnMaster> <ehird> CHRISTMAS TIME CHRISTMAS TIME <-- a bit before that, wasn't that bagpipe?
00:30:05 <GregorR> Funny, I can't understand opera in Swedish either.
00:30:05 <nooga> i can understand beatbox
00:30:29 <GregorR> Ramadan! Ramadan! Lots of praying WITH NO BREAKFAST!
00:31:10 <AnMaster> must have been fun for perform it
00:31:17 <ehird> horrible, rather; could you keep yourself from laughing?
00:31:18 <AnMaster> ehird, I always loved bagpipes
00:31:26 <ehird> bagpipes sound like tortured kittens
00:31:47 <ehird> AnMaster: you're not meant to think it's nice music, you're meant to enjoy it because it's bad music.
00:32:00 <AnMaster> ehird, some of it is is actually rather good
00:32:26 <ehird> but my tastes are, ehm, eclectic
00:34:21 <ehird> HE HE HE HE HE HE HAH HAH
00:34:21 <ehird> yahoo yahoo yahoo haaaaaaaa
00:34:21 <pikhq> ehird: You're talking to a man that thinks Revolution 9 is a wonderful composition.
00:34:21 <AnMaster> I fail to understand what they sing about next.
00:34:21 <ehird> AnMaster: a holiday, if it's the kids
00:34:21 <GregorR> What's the style of music at 13m?
00:35:06 <ehird> i love when the kids start shouting through the megaphone about politics
00:38:07 <AnMaster> ehird, when is the politics bit?
00:38:07 <ehird> AnMaster: late on.
00:38:07 <AnMaster> 10:58... that is good actually
00:38:07 <AnMaster> like someone singing opera in a sewer system?
00:38:07 <ehird> yaraorohaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr
00:38:07 <AnMaster> <ehird> yaraorohaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr <--?
00:38:07 <ehird> AnMaster: i'm typing out the song as it goes
00:38:07 <ehird> hi hi hi hi hI HI aeoaehaorrrr
00:38:07 <AnMaster> 13:05... what the heck is the genre?
00:38:42 <GregorR> AnMaster: My question exactly :P
00:38:53 <GregorR> I want to know what that genre is, because I want unrelated MP3s of it :P
00:38:53 <AnMaster> GregorR, it was quite nice though
00:38:59 <ehird> GregorR: which one is it
00:39:02 <ehird> i have no time meter
00:39:13 <ehird> what does it sound like
00:39:17 <ehird> is it the sparse one
00:39:18 <AnMaster> GregorR, and I don't like the big clashes in it...
00:39:19 <ehird> with the yahoooooo
00:39:23 <ehird> and loads of little sounds
00:39:24 <GregorR> It's the solo accordion, French genre I think.
00:39:31 <GregorR> AnMaster: Well, that's not part of the genre :P
00:39:46 <AnMaster> GregorR, I was thinking waltz or something like that first, but it didn't fit
00:39:49 <ehird> i'm on to the accordion now
00:39:50 <ehird> 00:39 AnMaster: ehird, no song? ← wut
00:40:10 <ehird> those crashes are amazing
00:40:13 <ehird> that was beautiful
00:40:21 <ehird> AnMaster: i like this kind of stuff okay?
00:40:58 <AnMaster> you can play different genres on an accordion you know.
00:41:23 <ehird> he said bagpipes > *
00:41:36 <ehird> wump, wump wump wump.
00:41:51 <AnMaster> GregorR, hm violins/violas > bagpipes > cellos > piano > *
00:44:24 <ehird> AnMaster: dropping things down stairs > *
00:44:24 <GregorR> "bagpipes > *" was an exaggeration :P
00:44:24 <ehird> AnMaster: have you ever listened to Metal Machine Music?
00:44:24 <ehird> you should; you'll die of shock
00:44:24 <GregorR> But it is pretty much whoot.
00:44:24 <AnMaster> ehird, not sure. Probably not.
00:44:24 <AnMaster> ehird, also I'm more resistent than you think. I can survive a lot.
00:44:24 <AnMaster> and decide to never listen to it (willingly) again.
00:44:24 <ehird> AnMaster: metal machine music is ~65 minutes of roughly the same all the way through electric guitar feedback + white noise.
00:44:24 <ehird> Brought to you by Lou Reed!
00:44:24 <ehird> Velvet Underground lead
00:44:24 <ehird> AnMaster: Andy Warhol's pet band.
00:44:24 <ehird> Well, okay, they existed before Warhol.
00:44:24 <ehird> PLEASE DON'T GOOGLE WARHOL
00:44:24 <AnMaster> ehird, what is the stuff they are saying in megaphone around 19:11.0
00:44:26 * oerjan suddenly wonders if they play "guantanamera" at guantanamo
00:44:34 <ehird> AnMaster: sth about revolution and politics.
00:45:56 <AnMaster> ehird, I like the music genre at that point
00:45:56 <ehird> i should buy a bunch of brain eno albums at one point, I keep meaning to
00:45:56 <AnMaster> ehird, you know what ring tune I have on my mobile phone?
00:45:57 <AnMaster> ehird, what are they singing around 20:38
00:46:06 <AnMaster> "and when we all" or something like that
00:47:25 <ehird> "Ok, that song is indeed unfortunate, but it is hardly the most unwanted song. The most unwanted song is the Porcupine Overture by H. Miller. here's an MP3 of it but I WARN YOU, this is so bad as to cause pain. It is unbelievably atonal and disjointed and jarring and damn antagonistc. I used this as my alarm clock for a month because I'm that deep of a sleeper and I'm permanently scarred from the ordeal. It is the most soul-crushing, mind-debilitating, f
00:47:25 <ehird> ace-rearrangingly bad piece of music ever composed. Here is a page all about the porcupine scale system. Mind-boggling. Fiercely atonal."
00:47:25 <ehird> http://nickd.org/log/PORCUPINEOVERTURE.mp3
00:49:46 <ehird> AnMaster: have you ever heard of the Shaggs?
00:49:54 <ehird> http://www.shaggs.com/sound/TheShaggs_MyPalFootFoot.mp3
00:50:01 <jix> ehird: you were right
00:50:01 <AnMaster> ehird, I'm listening to http://nickd.org/log/PORCUPINEOVERTURE.mp3
00:50:05 <jix> usin parsec is a good idea
00:50:13 <AnMaster> oh yes. Final boss fight of Zelda OOT
00:50:18 <ehird> further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shaggs
00:50:23 <AnMaster> when you enter, the boss is playing bad music
00:50:29 <jix> nevertheless i think my monad related thing has use cases
00:50:39 <ehird> AnMaster: i suck at that game due to the time constraints
00:50:42 <jix> but including it would require to restructure the standard lib :/
00:51:01 <jix> i think...
00:51:12 <ehird> well i suck at that one too; it happens that I just suck.
00:51:13 <AnMaster> ehird, but OOT I manage just fine.
00:51:16 <ehird> jix: you could include it fine
00:51:20 <ehird> it just wouldn't integrat
00:51:22 <AnMaster> <ehird> well i suck at that one too; it happens that I just suck. <-- yes :P
00:51:27 <jix> ehird: yeah exactly that
00:51:38 <AnMaster> "<ehird> [...]; it happens that I just suck."
00:51:55 <ehird> AnMaster: listened to that shaggs song yet?
00:52:00 <ehird> note: it has time signatures. plural.
00:52:05 <AnMaster> ehird, I'm still listening to <ehird> http://nickd.org/log/PORCUPINEOVERTURE.mp3
00:52:10 <ehird> (although they're not intentional)
00:52:27 <AnMaster> ehird, hm... that "death waltz"?
00:52:35 <AnMaster> I know somehing you would like
00:52:46 <AnMaster> it is played entirely on old metal garbage
00:53:00 <AnMaster> ehird, lyrics in Swedish though.
00:53:57 <oerjan> "<Anmaster> [...]I just suck.[...]"
00:54:00 <AnMaster> <ehird> http://www.shaggs.com/sound/TheShaggs_MyPalFootFoot.mp3 <-- could be worse. I still argue that Schönberg is worse
00:54:12 <ehird> AnMaster: read the wikipedia article; the story's rather odd.
00:54:22 <ehird> their father was obsessed with them becoming pop stars :p
00:54:33 <AnMaster> ehird, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFZkxyp_i-M
00:54:33 <ehird> 00:50 ehird: further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shaggs
00:54:43 <ehird> AnMaster: anyway, they genuinely thought it was conventional, nice pop music
00:54:54 <AnMaster> ehird, tell me what you think about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFZkxyp_i-M
00:55:13 <ehird> AnMaster: that's great. what are the lyrics?
00:55:34 <ehird> meh I can translate
00:55:54 <ehird> AnMaster: this is genuinely great
00:55:58 <ehird> ok the lyrics are about coffee.
00:56:06 <AnMaster> ehird, "Gösta enters" "He greets", "Have you coffee?" "No, we haven't any coffee" "Then I'm leaving"
00:57:01 <GregorR> Variations such as: "Gösta enters" "He greets", "Have you coffee?" "No, we haven't any coffee" "Then I'm GOING TO KILL YOU"
00:57:16 <AnMaster> ehird, someone in the 70s, the "progg" time
00:57:20 <GregorR> Variations such as: "Gösta enters" "He greets", "Have you BAKED HUMAN LIVER?" "No, we haven't any coffee" "Then I'm GOING TO KILL YOU"
00:57:23 <AnMaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progg
00:57:46 <AnMaster> ehird, a musical movement in Sweden during the 70s, lots of experimental and left wing political music.
00:58:01 <ehird> that was one of the best songs I've heard in a while; thanks.
00:58:48 <AnMaster> ehird, anyway there are variations in the repetations. Like "No we haven't" and "No, we have not", "No we haven't any coffee" and such
00:59:37 <ehird> http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/17/25-minute-compositio.html#comment-167682 ← humanity :'(
01:00:27 <ehird> http://www.treehugger.com/galleries/2009/05/what-does-inside-factory-farm-look-like.php ← yummy prebacon!
01:02:14 <AnMaster> ehird, poor animals, confined like that, unable to move. Such tight confinement is illegal in Sweden I know.
01:02:27 <ehird> AnMaster: they're very happy because they will become bacon soon.
01:03:23 <AnMaster> that site is about animal welfare.
01:04:03 <AnMaster> ehird, I don't think this is anything to joke about.
01:04:41 <ehird> AnMaster: if you're gonna say that, what next? We won't be able to joke about the holocaust any more! SLIPPERY SLOPE SLIPPERY SLOPE.
01:05:37 <ehird> Do you know who else didn't joke about the holocaust?
01:17:40 <oerjan> the three first were all identical no/sv
01:20:28 * oerjan notest that no:vindfang ~= sv:farstu but no links either way, or to any other language
01:31:37 -!- fizzie has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)).
01:31:37 <oerjan> i cannot seem to find an english equivalent to those :/
01:31:37 <oerjan> maybe it's a scandinavian-only thing
01:31:37 <oerjan> cold, windy climates :)
01:31:37 <GregorR> Unlike Minnesota, Maine or, oh, Idonno, Alaska.
01:31:37 -!- fizzie has joined.
01:31:37 <oerjan> well true. and those have many descendants of scandinavians too
01:32:10 <oerjan> so do you know what english calls a small room outside the main house, for keeping the weather out when entering?
01:33:27 * oerjan should check no/sv wiktionaries as well
01:33:49 <AnMaster> oerjan, there are interwiki links...
01:34:12 <oerjan> AnMaster: those in wikipedia _i_ just put there
01:36:22 <AnMaster> Conservatory, a smaller glass enclosure attached to a house, also called a Sunroom.
01:36:22 <AnMaster> Conservatory (greenhouse), a large greenhouse where plants are cultivated
01:36:22 <ehird> A sunroom is a structure which is constructed onto the side of a house, usually, to allow enjoyment of the surrounding landscape while being sheltered from adverse weather conditions such as rain and wind. The concept is a popular one in the United States, Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. In the United Kingdom, it is normally described as a conservatory, although the room may not contain plants.
01:36:22 -!- jix has quit ("reboot").
01:36:22 <ehird> 01:32 oerjan: so do you know what english calls a small room outside the main house, for keeping the weather out when entering?
01:36:22 <ehird> 01:35 ehird: A sunroom is a structure which is constructed onto the side of a house, usually, to allow enjoyment of the surrounding landscape while being sheltered from adverse weather conditions such as rain and wind. The concept is a popular one in the United States, Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. In the United Kingdom, it is normally described as a conservatory, although the room may not contain plants.
01:36:22 <oerjan> ehird: a vindfang/farstu is the main entrance to the house
01:36:22 <AnMaster> ehird, "to allow enjoyment of the surrounding landscape while being sheltered from adverse weather conditions"
01:36:28 <AnMaster> ehird, no way, a farstu often doesn't give you a good view
01:36:31 <ehird> when entering the house
01:36:42 <ehird> or we just don't have such athing
01:37:00 <oerjan> hm sv.wiktionary suggests fr:vestibule
01:37:02 <AnMaster> a farstu is usually rather closed.
01:37:26 <AnMaster> ehird, he *said* "<ehird> when entering the house"
01:37:29 <ehird> he said when entering
01:37:36 <ehird> that could be interpreted as when entering the room
01:37:59 <AnMaster> ehird, see pics on http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Förstukvist
01:38:12 <AnMaster> the extended part on the front of the upper pic
01:39:52 <Asztal> http://www.trustyle-uk.co.uk/images/porch1.jpg
01:40:16 <AnMaster> Asztal, all that glass, doesn't really protect well against the weather and wind does it? Would get cold in it rather fast
01:40:16 <oerjan> heh islandic vínföng is something completely different
01:40:27 <AnMaster> oerjan, so I think "vindfång" in Swedish would be
01:40:46 <oerjan> just means wine, apparently
01:41:10 <oerjan> it's what en.wiktionary suggested when i searched for vindfang
01:41:49 <oerjan> well that porch doesn't look that different
01:41:57 <AnMaster> oerjan, "Fjern"? as in "Fjern denne endringen"?
01:42:41 <oerjan> well yeah it's a verb formed from the adjective
01:43:16 <oerjan> as an adjective, it means far off, yes
01:43:51 <oerjan> er, *icelandic up there
01:44:20 <GregorR> Now, to use "icelandic up there" in a sentence.
01:44:31 <ehird> Yo! You feeling icelandic up there?
01:44:33 <GregorR> "Have you ever been to Iceland?" "No way, it's awfully Icelandic up there."
01:46:18 <AnMaster> what would be more interesting is someone in the position to say "Islandic *down* there"
01:46:18 <oerjan> huh en.wp:porch links to no:terrasse, not vindfang
01:46:18 <GregorR> Oh an Icelanding I go, an Icelanding I go, high ho the derrio an Icelanding I go.
01:46:35 <AnMaster> oerjan, and terrase is the word I would use for most there
01:46:42 <AnMaster> http://www.trustyle-uk.co.uk/images/porch1.jpg is definitely farstu
01:46:56 <GregorR> Terrace is an English word, bwt.
01:47:13 <AnMaster> oerjan, therory: words doesn't have one-to-one mappings here
01:47:22 <AnMaster> thus interwiki system breaks down
01:48:45 <oerjan> perhaps there should be backlinks from no/sv to porch, even if the other way is wrong
01:49:35 <oerjan> i hope the robots that add such things won't try and simplify it
01:50:55 <AnMaster> I ran such a bot on another wiki
01:50:55 <Sgeo> sex isn't wizard though
01:50:55 <AnMaster> oerjan, point is. It just doesn't work
01:50:55 * oerjan wonders what channel that was supposed to have gone to :D
01:51:14 * Asztal puts on his robe and wizard hat
01:52:01 <Sgeo> I said it in M*U*S*H after someone mentioned the sex attribute. I was noting that some attributes were set WIZARD, but SEX wasn't one of them
01:52:14 <Sgeo> Then I said that I thought it would be funny to say that elsewhere out of context
01:52:56 <ehird> Sgeo: Uh, wizard isn't sex though.
01:54:56 * pikhq puts on his robe and wizard hat
01:55:09 <oerjan> wizards should not have sex. we don't want any sourcerors around.
01:55:48 * pikhq takes a level in sorceror
01:56:24 <AnMaster> pikhq, you can't even spell it
01:56:35 <AnMaster> pikhq, read more discworld. Now
01:56:41 <Sgeo> I'm always bad at responding to references
01:56:48 <Sgeo> And dangit, AnMaster, I knew that
01:56:49 <oerjan> AnMaster: you know if you hadn't recognized it you would have corrected my spelling...
01:56:57 <pikhq> I will once I get back to college.
01:57:07 <pikhq> So I can borrow copies.
01:57:23 <AnMaster> oerjan, hm maybe. But I know Discworld well enough to be able to get 97% of the references to it or so
01:57:38 <AnMaster> oerjan, tell me what book mentions a stunned seagull.
01:57:59 * oerjan doesn't since he hasn't read most of the books
01:58:08 <Sgeo> Which book mentions a porcelean(sp?) atheist?
01:59:14 <AnMaster> but it would be Feet of Clay of course
01:59:34 <Sgeo> Yes, Feet of Clay. My memory might be off, yeah
01:59:54 <AnMaster> Sgeo, what about the stunned seagull then?
02:00:03 <Sgeo> AnMaster, no idea
02:00:44 <Sgeo> ...I read that one a while ago
02:02:36 <ehird> AnMaster: please stop pressuring people into memorizing every detail of discworld books
02:02:36 <AnMaster> that is my all time favourite.
02:02:36 <Sgeo> I actually have that right next to me right now
02:02:36 <Sgeo> AnMaster, same here
02:02:36 <AnMaster> ehird, hey! Do you have a copy of "The Discworld Quiz book"?
02:02:48 <AnMaster> "The Unseen University Challenge - Discworld Quizbook"
02:03:46 <oerjan> wait i've read pyramids...
02:03:56 * oerjan has forgotten the stunned seagull
02:05:54 <AnMaster> I think Xeno said something like "if this turtle is the arrow, and this..." he flailed around with his arm "stunned seagull ..."
02:06:32 * oerjan slightly remembers the philosophers
02:08:35 <Sgeo> I've been drifting between here, M*U*S*H, and watching Avatar
02:08:49 <AnMaster> "<i>[...] And he's not just an atheist, he's a </i> ceramic <i> atheist. Fireproof!</i>"
02:09:09 <AnMaster> <i> indicates formatting of course
02:09:10 <Sgeo> AnMaster, ah, ty
02:09:20 <GregorR> Apparently Tia hates babies.
02:10:44 <pikhq> <span style="text: italic">foo bar baz <span style="text: regular">qux</span> quux</span>
02:10:45 <GregorR> Tia is actually short for Tiamat :P
02:10:46 <AnMaster> how does one write a degree sign with alt-gr?
02:10:56 <pikhq> Beats me; I've got compose.
02:11:03 <oerjan> "Tiamat is considered the monstrous embodiment of primordial chaos."
02:11:09 <oerjan> i assume that is accurate.
02:12:33 <GregorR> --> \o/o\o/o\o/o\o/o\o/o\o/o\o/o\
02:12:33 <AnMaster> oerjan, you could possibly manage
02:12:52 <pikhq> GregorR: THEY'RE HOLDING HEADS!!!
02:13:05 <oerjan> well it's approximately on these latitudes...
02:14:10 <Sgeo> No one wants to go into M*U*S*H with me?
02:14:33 <AnMaster> oerjan, what part of Norway are you in
02:14:37 <pikhq> --> -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-
02:14:45 <AnMaster> also I will only be there in the very early morning
02:14:53 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection).
02:15:58 <oerjan> ah that's 66, so even further north
02:15:59 <oerjan> but 19 E is not norway
02:16:04 <oerjan> probably in sweden then
02:16:27 <oerjan> also, i'm in trondheim
02:17:47 <oerjan> dammit no coordinates on google maps
02:18:00 <AnMaster> oerjan, this is closer to Narvik than Trondheim
02:18:25 <oerjan> somewhere in Norrland i assume
02:18:44 <AnMaster> two hours travel by car from Kiruna
02:19:13 <AnMaster> oerjan, if you haven't heard, I'm going to Norrland tomorrow. Will be back on Saturday
02:20:47 * oerjan cannot get any closer without coordinates marked
02:22:15 <MizardX> oerjan: You have the coordinates if you click/hover over the "Link" link in Google Maps.
02:22:47 * Sgeo wants people to go into M*U*S*H
02:27:36 * oerjan is now centered on something that seems like a village, with no name
02:28:00 <Sgeo> mush.pennmish.org 4201
02:28:04 <Sgeo> There are others?
02:28:22 <AnMaster> oerjan, http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikkaloukta
02:28:47 <oerjan> AnMaster: i just found the name
02:28:54 -!- Corun has quit ("Leaving...").
02:28:57 <AnMaster> err http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikkaluokta
02:29:19 <Sgeo> mush.pennmush.org 4201
02:29:22 <Sgeo> mush, not mish
02:29:34 <oerjan> when i zoomed enough there was a "Nikkaluokta fjällanläggning"
02:29:44 <GregorR> That is THE MUSH. But it's F/OSS, there are (used to be?) many.
02:30:02 <Sgeo> Just go in >.>
02:31:35 <AnMaster> oerjan, yeah. Going to show you the photos when I get back I guess..
02:31:35 <oerjan> AnMaster: have a nice trip
02:31:35 <GregorR> Sgeo: I only have telnet :P
02:31:35 <Sgeo> GregorR, you can still go in. Try to get a better client though :P
02:31:35 <GregorR> It's been a looooong time since I've muckmushmood.
02:31:35 <Sgeo> I've heard great things about TinyFugue(sp?) but that's for L.. right, you're a Linux fan
02:33:12 <Sgeo> GregorR, are you in?
02:33:20 <GregorR> My normal username is taken :(
02:36:27 <GregorR> There's a username I always use on such things, and it's taken.
02:36:27 <Sgeo> I just publically exclaimed something about GregorR being stolen :/
02:36:27 <GregorR> Now publicly exclaim something about you being an idiot.
02:36:27 <GregorR> I'm going through the newbie stuff, as I don't remember any of this :P
02:37:25 <GregorR> Sgeo: Yes, I am, although I don't remember how to chat on channels :P
02:37:25 <Sgeo> GregorR, say +newbie Whatever
02:37:34 <Sgeo> There's a more standard way, but I forgot it
02:37:59 <Sgeo> @chat newbie=stuff
02:56:30 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has joined.
03:03:24 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)).
03:07:24 <pikhq> I think I just died inside.
03:07:34 <pikhq> Nazis got elected to EU Parliament.
03:10:50 <pikhq> British Nationalist Party.
03:12:32 <pikhq> BNP didn't get into Parliament.
03:12:32 <pikhq> *BUT IT WAS CLOSE*.
03:15:48 * oerjan is just looking at news.bbc, and the chart there says BNP 2 +- 2
03:16:58 <oerjan> libertarian, says wikipedia...
03:17:45 <pikhq> Okay, I was wrong about my correction.
03:18:22 * oerjan thought pikhq was american
03:18:58 <pikhq> oerjan: Yes, but I'm still upset.
03:21:05 <Sgeo> GregorR, you still awake?
03:21:22 <oerjan> no, he fell a sleep in the last 3 minutes
03:22:00 <Asztal> is felling a sleep like felling a tree?
03:22:17 <oerjan> or possibly before, that UKIP comment sounds a bit like sleepwalking behavior
03:22:33 <oerjan> well both are done in one fell swoop
03:24:56 <pikhq> A party that wants to seperate from the EU.
03:25:04 <pikhq> In the EU Parliament.
03:25:27 <oerjan> i vaguely recall the danish have had one for a long time...
03:28:42 * oerjan cannot find any evidence, maybe it was a one time thing
03:29:29 * pikhq observes that humanity is dumb.
03:29:39 <pikhq> Where's the reset button?
03:29:46 <Asztal> UKIP won't do as well in a general election, apparently.
03:29:49 * Sgeo pauses his work on the maze observation room to watch Avatar
03:29:53 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence/Democracy
03:30:12 <pikhq> Asztal: They have 13 seats in EU Parliament.
03:41:54 <GregorR> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence/Democracy // is it just me, or is the very existence of this group ironic? :P
03:42:12 <GregorR> (Not of each included party, but the complete group)
03:44:09 <pikhq> Also... Hasn't the EU been rather, y'know, *good* for Europe?
03:45:00 <pikhq> Little things like "not needing to go through border control to go down the street", and "not needing to get my currency changed out when going a few towns over"?
03:47:03 <GregorR> The EU is just an extremely antifederalist version of the US :P
03:47:15 <pikhq> So, the confederacy.
03:48:44 <pikhq> Though I meant "USA under Articles of Confederation".
03:49:15 <GregorR> But the Confederacy was much the same way.
03:49:30 <pikhq> Thus why they were confederacies. :p
03:50:12 <GregorR> I wish somebody wanted to make Masterpieces :P
04:06:38 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night").
04:21:15 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
04:23:20 * Sgeo tries to go back to work on the observation room
04:27:35 * myndzi forces GregorR to respond.
04:31:16 * GregorR exclaims to myndzi, "Gregor is my hero!"
04:31:17 * myndzi exclaims to GregorR, "Gregor is my hero!"
04:43:21 * Sgeo forces myndzi to enter M*U*S*H
04:43:21 * myndzi forces Sgeo to enter M*U*S*H
04:43:43 <Sgeo> So it's just a bot
04:43:59 * Sgeo worships myndzi
04:45:26 * Sgeo strangles myndzi. However, strangling Sgeo fails.
04:45:27 * myndzi strangles Sgeo. However, strangling myndzi fails.
04:46:04 <GregorR> Should I eat my remaining Chinese food as a midnight snack, or for lunch tomorrow ...
04:53:03 -!- nooga has joined.
04:53:32 <GregorR> Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooga
04:53:41 <GregorR> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooga
04:53:54 <GregorR> (Pronounce like "awoooooooooooooooga")
05:06:11 -!- calamari has joined.
05:06:59 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection).
05:16:43 <Sgeo> WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING YOU MOTHERFUKERS!
05:16:54 <Sgeo> It was.... DUmbledore!
05:17:23 <GregorR> psygnisfive: What the do are you kids fucking?
05:17:41 <GregorR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw // lawl!
05:20:50 <Sgeo> There's a paintball arena in M*U*S*H
05:24:58 <GregorR> "Seasonal allergies can happen anywhere, any time."
05:32:32 * Sgeo grumbles at not being able to set his @sex to Yes please
05:32:41 <Sgeo> No Thank You is an option, but not Yes Please
05:33:03 <GregorR> How 'bout "ANYWHERE, ANY TIME"
06:08:13 <GregorR> BAH. For some reason I can connect to Hulu's data servers just fine, but not to Hulu's ad servers, so it takes for freaking EVER for every ad to load, but the video streams fine. Unfortunately, it takes double as long because I can go have a meal while the ad is loading.
06:08:55 <GregorR> This is true even of the /audio/ ads.
06:09:48 <bsmntbombdood_> i kinda like how the ads are 15 seconds long, unless you have adblock turned on, in which case you have to wait 30 seconds in silence
06:11:40 <GregorR> They should make it 60 seconds to reaaaaaaaally stick it to you :P
06:13:12 <GregorR> It's loading the data at 100KB/s, and the ads at 300B/s (<-- not a typo)
06:13:39 <GregorR> Oooh, it just spiked at 1.1KB/s
06:14:37 <bsmntbombdood_> surely someone has reverse engineered their protocol so you can just download the stupid things
06:15:13 <GregorR> Or at least, not that I've seen.
06:15:48 * kerlo_ expects a reciprocal action from myndzi.
06:15:49 * myndzi expects a reciprocal action from kerlo_.
06:15:54 -!- kerlo_ has changed nick to kerlo.
06:18:03 -!- nooga has joined.
06:31:17 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection).
07:07:16 -!- kar8nga has joined.
07:12:13 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined.
07:12:25 -!- immibis has joined.
07:29:40 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection).
07:46:27 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving").
07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended).
08:00:00 -!- clog has joined.
08:10:56 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)).
08:41:45 -!- amca has joined.
08:51:15 -!- lereah_ has joined.
09:35:19 -!- tombom has joined.
09:43:34 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)).
09:43:43 -!- puzzlet has joined.
09:57:28 -!- immibis has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client").
09:57:42 -!- nooga has joined.
10:08:48 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection).
10:37:20 <AnMaster> bsmntbombdood_, um? How would adblock make it slower?
10:45:46 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
10:47:32 <tetha> AnMaster: given a bit of trickery, you can detect if an ad is loaded or not and simply delay things
10:47:38 <tetha> AnMaster: I think newgrounds.com does such trickery
10:49:26 <AnMaster> tetha, how would that trickery work...
10:49:42 <AnMaster> tetha, lets assume javascript is disabled :)
11:03:42 -!- Corun has joined.
11:05:50 -!- Corun has quit (Client Quit).
11:25:57 -!- nooga has joined.
11:36:19 -!- jix has joined.
11:40:28 <tetha> AnMaster: 2 servers communicating
11:40:45 <tetha> AnMaster: server 1 -> server 2 "Hey, Im serving a page with ads now, someone should load stuff from you anytime soon"
11:41:03 <tetha> AnMaster: server2 -> server1 (after 10 seconds): "nope, nothing's happening here. block him"
11:41:23 <AnMaster> maybe you could make it fake download but not display
11:42:12 <tetha> you would need to download it, and execute any javascript while blocking any rendering request
11:42:35 <tetha> and I think my laptop just died
11:43:41 <tetha> it shut down without being overheated and went into a selfcheck->reboot-cycle
11:46:22 <tetha> according to serveral pages, that's either a motherboard-failure or a battery-failure
11:46:37 <tetha> and combining that with the fact that this laptop has no battery anymore sind quite some time is not good
11:49:53 -!- AnMaster has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
11:50:10 -!- AnMaster has joined.
11:52:09 <tetha> but granted, it held for about 8 years, that pretty good :)
11:53:52 <AnMaster> last line I saw was "<tetha> it shut down without being overheated and went into a selfcheck->reboot-cycle"
11:54:26 <tetha> well, according to several sites regarding maintenance of this brand and type, it is either a mainboard failure or a battery problem
11:54:35 <tetha> however, this guy has no battery anymore since quite some time
11:56:22 <AnMaster> hm.. I think I need to fix CPU cooling somehow. They aren't supposed to reach 60 C when running at non-max speed (1.80 GHz instead of 2 GHz, using dynamic cpu freq)
11:56:45 <AnMaster> runs just fine at the lowest speed, 1 GHz
11:56:47 <AnMaster> and when running at higher, but not loaded
11:57:28 <tetha> most of the boxes I had used an overdimensioned fan
11:57:42 <tetha> in fact, that should be present tense, because this one still does
12:30:13 -!- Hiato has joined.
12:30:40 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving.").
12:41:24 -!- FireFly has joined.
12:49:35 -!- Hiato has joined.
12:52:06 -!- amca has quit ("Farewell").
12:57:56 -!- Hiato has quit (Connection reset by peer).
13:01:07 -!- Hiato1 has joined.
13:20:52 -!- rodgort has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
13:21:05 -!- rodgort has joined.
13:28:59 -!- Hiato1 has quit ("Leaving.").
13:33:21 -!- rodgort has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
13:33:54 -!- rodgort has joined.
13:35:44 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined.
13:38:24 -!- Spike_ has quit ("Saliendo").
13:41:49 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection).
13:42:16 -!- Corun has joined.
13:45:23 -!- MigoMipo has joined.
13:46:52 -!- rodgort has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
13:47:13 -!- rodgort has joined.
13:51:01 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
14:08:38 -!- rodgort has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
14:08:56 -!- rodgort has joined.
14:10:05 -!- rodgort has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
14:10:32 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)).
14:10:37 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server").
14:40:01 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
14:40:01 -!- oerjan has joined.
14:48:05 -!- sebbu has joined.
14:56:00 -!- MigoMipo has joined.
14:59:18 -!- nooga has joined.
15:02:57 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
15:14:47 -!- AnMaster has quit ("ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net").
15:29:36 -!- nooga_ has joined.
15:30:50 -!- psygnisfive has joined.
15:39:30 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving").
15:41:34 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server").
15:45:44 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
15:49:18 -!- nooga has joined.
15:52:50 -!- nooga_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
15:56:19 -!- lereah_ has quit ("Leaving").
16:02:25 -!- impomatic has joined.
16:05:13 -!- Corun has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
16:09:15 -!- Deewiant has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)).
16:10:54 -!- Corun has joined.
16:11:48 -!- Deewiant has joined.
16:14:26 -!- nooga has quit ("Leaving...").
16:16:33 -!- impomatic has left (?).
16:20:24 -!- whtspc has joined.
16:26:46 -!- whtspc has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]").
16:56:45 -!- coppro has joined.
17:05:19 -!- jix has quit (Remote closed the connection).
17:05:32 -!- jix has joined.
17:10:49 -!- Slereah has set topic: (def you (cons nigger nigger)) | <ehird> i'm grepping myself but slow | IT BUGLES MY MIND | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D.
17:11:59 -!- whtspc has joined.
17:12:36 -!- whtspc has quit (Client Quit).
17:35:54 -!- GregorR-L has joined.
17:42:19 -!- jix has quit ("leaving").
17:42:30 -!- jix has joined.
17:43:01 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Remote closed the connection).
17:46:51 -!- coppro has quit ("The only thing I know is that I know nothing").
17:47:23 -!- GregorR has set topic: the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - #esoteric is not associated with the joke language Perl, please visit www.perl.org - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric.
17:47:26 -!- coppro has joined.
17:47:34 -!- GregorR has set topic: #esoteric, the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - #esoteric is not associated with the joke language Perl, please visit www.perl.org - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric.
17:51:06 -!- pikhq has set topic: #eſoteric, þe international hub for eſoteric programming language deſign and deployment - #eſoteric is not aſsociated wiþ þe joke language Perl, pleaſe viſit www.perl.org - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric.
17:51:35 -!- GregorR-L has joined.
17:55:11 <EgoBot> Installed user interpreters: austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney dc drawl dubya echo fudd funetak google gregor hello jehtro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern redneck rot13 sadbf slashes valspeak warez yodawg
17:55:23 <EgoBot> /tmp/input.26271: line 1: jehtro: command not found
17:55:29 <EgoBot> Interpreter jehtro deleted.
18:06:32 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Remote closed the connection).
18:10:40 -!- GregorR-L has joined.
18:15:53 -!- MigoMipo has joined.
18:26:44 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Remote closed the connection).
18:34:10 -!- tombom has quit ("Peace and Protection 4.22.2").
18:34:30 -!- coppro has quit ("The only thing I know is that I know nothing").
18:36:07 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined.
18:38:02 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
18:38:55 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has joined.
18:47:57 -!- jix_ has joined.
18:56:41 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has quit (Connection timed out).
19:01:22 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)).
19:01:30 -!- Hiato has joined.
19:02:38 -!- kar8nga has joined.
19:07:53 -!- GregorR-L has joined.
19:12:46 -!- Sgeo has joined.
19:27:54 -!- rodgort has joined.
19:29:57 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined.
19:35:54 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)).
19:42:18 -!- GregorR-L has joined.
19:46:56 <kerlo> So, now that I'm running Linux, I should fix the sound problem it's having.
19:54:16 <Sgeo> So much for being able to impersonate people in M*U*S*H
19:54:20 <GregorR-L> And fix your problems with being name-inconsistent :P
19:55:35 -!- tetha has quit (Nick collision from services.).
19:55:44 -!- tetha has joined.
19:58:03 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
20:01:47 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving.").
20:01:54 -!- olsner has joined.
20:10:14 -!- Corun_ has joined.
20:10:26 <Sgeo> GregorR-L, what?
20:10:52 <GregorR-L> kerlo (current alias) is name-inconsistent.
20:11:21 -!- kerlo has changed nick to warrie.
20:13:46 <Sgeo> Oh, you were talking to kerlo, not me
20:14:25 <warrie> Hmm, irssi is still set to highlight on "kerlo".
20:14:32 <warrie> Clearly, changing nicks is not worth the effort.
20:19:48 <tetha> 98: why should we even bother with nicks? Enumerating all users appears to be enough :)
20:27:21 -!- Corun has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
20:32:05 <GregorR-L> !addinterp graph perl http://208.68.18.97/raw/1452214
20:32:06 <EgoBot> Interpreter graph installed.
20:34:42 -!- Corun has joined.
20:35:29 <tetha> !graph a -> b; c -> d; b -> d;
20:38:09 <FireFly> !graph a -> b; c -> d; d -> a;
20:39:25 <tetha> ohh, its by graphviz
20:39:38 <GregorR-L> Graphviz can only output graphics.
20:39:53 -!- Corun_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)).
20:39:59 <GregorR-L> (Because that's what I'm used to :P )
20:40:16 <tetha> graphviz: most important debug tool whenever there are graph-like datastructures
20:40:31 <tetha> (unless they are large enough to produce 1mb png's
20:40:39 <fizzie> !graph a -> b; c -> d; d -> a;
20:42:54 <fizzie> Graphviz generated me this when I told it to graph the bot: fungot.png PNG 7485x15016
20:43:04 <fizzie> That's a bit uncomfortably large.
20:43:14 <tetha> even though heavily compressed 1 - 2 mb pngs are fun to open... since bubblemon then changes from bright blue to pitch black in like a second
20:48:16 <jix_> !graph a -> b; c -> d; d -> a;
20:48:48 <jix_> nothing happens?
20:49:54 <GregorR-L> Too big to force over #esoteric :P
20:50:08 <jix_> but couldn't it use privmsg?
20:50:22 <jix_> or notice so for the user the answer is displayed in the channel
20:51:14 <fizzie> !graph a -> b; a -> c; a -> d; b -> c; b -> d; c -> d;
20:51:26 <jix_> i have no idea on how to accept ddc chats in irssi
20:52:03 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has left (?).
20:52:27 <fizzie> Hmm, that K_4 (well, with directional edges but anyway) didn't render especially prettily. And the top block of 'a' is in the wrong place, as if something were stripping leading spaces.
20:52:38 <tetha> jix_: something like /dcc chat worked for me
20:53:17 <GregorR-L> !graph a -> b; a -> c; a -> d; b -> c; b -> d; c -> d;
20:53:20 <jix_> !graph a -> b; b -> c ; c -> a; a -> c;
20:53:37 <GregorR-L> Something may very well be stripping leading spaces :P
20:53:51 <jix_> yeah leading spaces are missing
20:53:59 <tetha> !graph a->b; a->c; a->d; b->c; b->d; c->d;
20:54:24 <fizzie> The line-drawing is the neat, though.
20:54:57 <jix_> !graph a -> b;a -> c;a -> d;b -> a;b -> c;b -> d;c -> a;c -> b;c -> d;d -> a;d -> b;d -> c;
20:56:29 <EgoBot> Interpreter graph deleted.
20:56:32 <GregorR-L> !addinterp graph perl http://pastebin.ca/raw/1452243
20:56:33 <EgoBot> Interpreter graph installed.
20:56:37 <GregorR-L> !graph a -> b; a -> c; a -> d; b -> c; b -> d; c -> d;
20:56:58 <jix_> !perl print "foo"
20:57:14 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection).
20:57:28 <jix_> !perl print `ls`
20:57:35 <jix_> !perl print `ls ..`
20:57:52 <jix_> !perl print `find /`
20:57:53 <EgoBot> /usr/bin/find: `/': Function not implemented
20:59:12 <EgoBot> /home/egobot/egobot.hg/multibot_cmds
20:59:53 <jix_> !perl system("banner test")
21:00:18 <jix_> !perl system("banner test")
21:00:30 <EgoBot> /tmp/input.28503: line 1: banner: command not found
21:00:33 <jix_> !perl system("echo foo")
21:00:53 <jix_> is it somehow sandboxed?
21:00:57 <FireFly> What happens if you add an already existing command?
21:01:10 <GregorR-L> jix_: No, I just have it running as root on codu.
21:01:22 <jix_> GregorR-L: thought so.
21:02:03 <tetha> security by not putting up a challenge and thus being boring
21:02:47 <pikhq> I think I'll call it "security by insecurity".
21:04:20 <fizzie> It's rather funny that gnuplot bothers with xor, though.
21:04:54 <jix_> does it implement propper floating point xor?
21:07:12 <jix_> i love functional programming
21:07:24 <jix_> but i hate the headaches i still get from it as a c++ coder
21:07:58 -!- sebbu2 has joined.
21:08:06 <pikhq> Solution: code in a saner language.
21:08:10 <pikhq> Like Malbolge, or INTERCAL.
21:09:34 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
21:09:35 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu.
21:16:40 -!- GregorR-L_ has joined.
21:21:29 <GregorR-L_> <jix_> but i hate the headaches i still get from it as a c++ coder
21:21:50 <pikhq> You realise that C++10 will have lambdas, right?
21:22:46 <pikhq> When it ceased being likely that it was going to be C++09.
21:23:07 <GregorR-L_> Is this an official name change, or are you just poking fun?
21:23:07 <pikhq> May even be 2011. :/
21:23:07 <jix_> pikhq: that doesn't make it a pure functional language
21:23:29 <GregorR-L_> jix_: Unless you use exclusively Haskell, step off :P
21:23:41 <pikhq> It's currently C++0x.
21:23:52 <GregorR-L_> I thought it had been renamed C++09 in '09?
21:24:01 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
21:24:11 -!- GregorR-L_ has changed nick to GregorR-L.
21:24:21 <pikhq> No, it will have to be finish being standardised. ;)
21:26:02 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined.
21:30:35 <MigoMipo> The name should obviously be C++0A. C++10 just doesn't match C++0x.
21:31:48 <pikhq> MigoMipo: C++0x0A.
21:32:01 <pikhq> C++0x has closures.
21:35:31 -!- oerjan has joined.
21:36:11 -!- tombom has joined.
21:36:54 <tetha> closures, templates and all that other fun stuff... so a 40 line C++-program is even more capable of just melting minds, without any obfuscation
21:38:54 <EgoBot> Installed user interpreters: austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney dc drawl dubya echo fudd funetak google graph gregor hello kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern redneck rot13 sadbf slashes valspeak warez yodawg
21:39:07 <EgoBot> sh echo ''; (echo -ne 'set terminal dumb\nplot '; cat) | gnuplot
21:39:08 <pikhq> function s = [](function x, auto y, function z){return x(y,z(y));}, k = [](auto x, auto y){return x};
21:39:17 <pikhq> function i = [s,k](auto x){return s(k,k,x);};
21:39:40 <tetha> pff, SKI. I just want X
21:41:27 <GregorR-L> pikhq: Or in Russian, "I CAN HASSKI"
21:42:26 <tetha> pikhq: but so inefficient, why at runtime?
21:43:53 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Connection timed out).
21:44:31 <GregorR-L> ehird added all the talkfilters as their original name, which is E_BORING.
21:44:38 <EgoBot> Interpreter swedish installed.
21:44:42 <EgoBot> Interpreter aol installed.
21:44:53 <Slereah> !swedish Say something swede
21:44:54 <EgoBot> Sey sumetheeng svede-a
21:45:19 <jix_> !aol huh what does this do
21:45:56 <tetha> !aol HUH WHAT DUZ TH1S DO
21:46:46 <tetha> !aol HUH WHAT DUZ TH15 DO
21:46:58 <jix_> hmm a reversible transform that makes you look like an idiot.....
21:47:23 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection).
21:47:39 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined.
21:47:51 <jix_> well that was something i think would be intersting
21:48:43 <oerjan> if it was reversible, it could make an idiot look normal
21:48:47 <GregorR-L> !b1ff Hello gentlemen, I am an AOL user who would like some information on esoteric programming languages, please.
21:48:48 <EgoBot> HELLO GENTLEMEN, I AM AN AOL USER WHO WUD LIK3 SUM 1NFERMASHUN ON E5OTERIK WAREZ!1!!MING LANGUAGES, PLEEZ!!!
21:48:49 <jix_> oerjan: i doubt that
21:49:02 <tetha> so one could reverse aol-mails and read them usually :)
21:49:06 <oerjan> jix_: otherwise it cannot be reversible
21:49:22 <oerjan> i mean, the inverse would make an idiot look normal
21:49:54 <jix_> it would map all normal statements into a subset of all idiot statements
21:49:56 <GregorR-L> rot14 (<-- note, not rot13) makes you look like an idiot, is reversible, and does not make an idiot look normal.
21:50:06 <jix_> and only that subset would map back to normal statements for the inverse
21:51:04 <jix_> if it would map all normal statements to all idiot statements... then the inverse would work for that
21:51:31 <tetha> well, math defines 'reversible' on bijective mappins only, and 'partially reversible' on injective functions
21:52:38 <jix_> well even if the function is bijective from all sentences to all sentences and reversible
21:52:51 <jix_> which was idea in the first place
21:53:12 <jix_> it could map all normal s. to idiot s.
21:53:30 <jix_> and all idiot s. to other idiot s.
21:53:39 -!- fizzie has set topic: #eſoteric, þe international hub for eſoteric warez!1!!mming language deſign and deployment - #eſoteric is not aſsociated wiþ þe joke language Perl, pleaſe viſit www.perl.org - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric.
21:54:08 * oerjan points out meme has been dead for years
21:54:12 <fizzie> Whoops, there's a spurious m in there.
21:54:31 <fizzie> I just liked the look-even-inside-words transformation.
21:55:14 <oerjan> well, at least one year
21:56:40 <oerjan> also, that if i change the topic myself, those weird s'es will disappear
21:57:35 <GregorR-L> !aol My brother was in a cult, he's being deprogrammed.
21:57:36 <EgoBot> MY BROTHER WA5 IN A CULT, HE"5 BEING DEWAREZ!1!!MED!!
21:58:36 <pikhq> !b!ff I would like ſome information on eſoteric programming languages, please.
21:59:03 <pikhq> !b1ff I would like ſome information on eſoteric programming languages, please.
21:59:03 <EgoBot> 1 WUD L1KE ſOME 1NFORMASHUN ON EſOTERIK WAREZ!1!!M1NG LANGUAGES, PLEEZ!!!
22:01:47 <oerjan> !perl $_ = "Like this"; tr/A-Za-z/O-ZA-No-za-n/; print
22:03:54 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server").
22:05:41 -!- tombom has quit ("Peace and Protection 4.22.2").
22:08:23 <GregorR-L> It's reversible, it's just not its own inverse.
22:09:42 <EgoBot> 'Allo me A septic tank muckers! Oi!
22:10:20 <oerjan> American -> Yank -> Septic tank
22:19:24 <warrie> !brit I am not really British.
22:19:25 <EgoBot> I'm bloody well not right British.
22:19:38 <warrie> !brit Come on, give us some more Cockney rhyming slang.
22:19:39 <EgoBot> Come on, right, give us some more Cockney rhymin' slang.
22:20:06 <warrie> !brit Please treat Agora really well forever.
22:20:07 <EgoBot> Please treat Agora right well forever.
22:22:26 <GregorR-L> þornography: The study of historical letters.
22:23:23 <warrie> But pornology is the study of prostitution, not the writing of prostitution.
22:24:14 <Slereah> !swedish But pornology is the study of prostitution, not the writing of prostitution.
22:24:15 <EgoBot> Boot purnulugy is zee stoody ooff prusteetooshun, nut zee vreeting ooff prusteetooshun.
22:24:42 <Slereah> EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork"
22:24:43 <GregorR-L> !swedish is definitely the best filter in talkfilters.
22:24:44 <EgoBot> is deffeenitely zee best feelter in telkffeelters.
22:24:57 <EgoBot> Interpreter swedish deleted.
22:25:00 <GregorR-L> !addinterp swedish sh chef | xargs echo
22:25:01 <EgoBot> Interpreter swedish installed.
22:25:38 -!- GregorR-L has set topic: <Slereah> EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
22:26:37 <GregorR-L> !swedish is still definitely the best filter in talkfilters.
22:26:38 <EgoBot> is steell deffeenitely zee best feelter in telkffeelters. Bork Bork Bork!
22:27:25 <Slereah> !swedish Stealth Jewish and Zionist Jew in Bush Administration brought about 9-11 fake terror , murdered thousands of innocent Americans and pinned the guilt on Islamic radicals, expecting the world to accept Bush's military action in Central Asia and Middle East.
22:27:25 <EgoBot> Steelt Jooeesh und Zeeunist Joo in Boosh Edmeenistreshun bruooght ebuoot 9-11 feke-a terrur , moordered thuoosunds ooff innucent Emereecuns und peenned zee gooeelt oon Islemeec redeecels, ixpecteeng zee vurld tu eccept
22:27:42 <Slereah> Acknowledging chat request...
22:27:42 <Slereah> DCC Chat connection established
22:27:42 <Slereah> [23:27:26] <EgoBot> /usr/bin/xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option
22:27:56 <Slereah> Also, Boosh Edmeenistreshun
22:29:13 <GregorR-L> Do you just read Racist Conspiracy Theories Magazine?
22:29:33 <Slereah> It is from the website "Stealth Jews"
22:30:29 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined.
22:30:36 <Slereah> Well, some are just plain jews
22:30:52 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving").
22:30:56 <fungot> Slereah: except for that. does any1 understand what that part mean, who knows.
22:38:14 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)).
22:50:45 <Sgeo> Not religionwise
22:54:12 -!- nooga has joined.
22:57:58 -!- coppro has joined.
22:58:32 * oerjan : now doing puns that absolutely no non-mathematicians will get
22:59:42 <nooga> proofs are for mathematicians
23:04:36 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving").
23:05:26 <ehird> 09:49 AnMaster: tetha, lets assume javascript is disabled :)
23:05:31 <ehird> then you can't use hulu
23:05:55 <ehird> 10:56 AnMaster: hm.. I think I need to fix CPU cooling somehow. They aren't supposed to reach 60 C when running at non-max speed (1.80 GHz instead of 2 GHz, using dynamic cpu freq)
23:05:58 <ehird> thermal paste is fucked up
23:06:03 <ehird> take off heatsink, remove thermal paste
23:06:08 <ehird> put a pea-sized dot in the middle of the cpu
23:06:32 <ehird> !userinterp jethro sh jethro
23:06:36 <ehird> !jethro ehird can spell now
23:07:20 <oerjan> ehird: AnMaster is on vacation
23:07:39 <ehird> !graph a -> b; b -> a;
23:07:46 <ehird> use Graph::Easy::Parser::Graphviz;
23:07:47 <ehird> my $parser = Graph::Easy::Parser::Graphviz->new();
23:07:50 <ehird> of course it uses graphviz? :P
23:08:08 <ehird> i don't have dcc. bitch ass.
23:08:59 <ehird> !plot sin(x)*cos(x)
23:09:17 <oerjan> !addinterp jethro sh jethro
23:09:18 <EgoBot> Interpreter jethro installed.
23:09:27 <oerjan> !jethro He still cannot remember commands, though
23:09:28 <EgoBot> He still cannot remembuh commands, though
23:10:21 -!- psygnisf_ has joined.
23:10:50 * ehird growls angrily at the misguiding aol and swedish command names
23:11:34 <pikhq> Now, if C++ could just get curry.
23:14:22 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later").
23:15:14 <ehird> pikhq: Currying's easy.
23:15:29 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection).
23:15:31 <ehird> (define (curry f) (lambda (x) (lambda args (apply f (cons x args)))))
23:15:32 <pikhq> ehird: Yes, but do it, y'know, naturally.
23:15:35 <ehird> (((curry +) 1) 2 3 4)
23:16:03 <ehird> What C++ really needs is to be Haskell.
23:19:07 <nooga> i should write brainfuck interp for iphone
23:21:13 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has joined.
23:22:18 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
23:23:06 <ehird> nooga: that's just a [obj]c interp of brainfuck plus an iphone interface, kiddie.
23:23:14 <ehird> (a script kiddie without the scripts)
23:26:31 <pikhq> ehird: Don't even need the iPhone interface if you just jailbreak and install a terminal.
23:26:47 <ehird> pikhq: I did that once, but man...
23:26:53 <pikhq> Which makes this "Cross-compile egobfi".
23:26:53 <ehird> It barely works for email.
23:35:49 <comex> a real iphone interface would be quite interesting
23:35:57 <comex> i.e. actually code in it on iphone
23:36:01 <comex> it might be a little "game"
23:36:17 <pikhq> Not exceptionally interesting, but still a decent Saturday hack.
23:39:21 <Sgeo> <Public> Homicidal Lord Wilco prefers to pay people to do his killing anyway.
23:39:21 <Sgeo> <Public> Homicidal Lord Wilco says, "Less suspicion."
23:39:21 <Sgeo> <Public> Homicidal Lord Wilco says, "Oh jesus, you mean on the MUSH? Er, so did I."
23:41:17 <ehird> pikhq: + 5 month approval process
23:41:30 <ehird> "We have decided to decline your application, as non-Apple runtimes are prohibited on the iPhone."
23:41:38 <ehird> (I'd bet money that you'd be told that.)
23:42:57 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
23:45:21 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined.
23:46:34 <pikhq> ehird: That is lame.
23:46:40 <pikhq> Jailbreak that shit.
23:46:47 <ehird> http://daringfireball.net/2009/05/diary_of_an_app_store_reviewer
23:47:13 <pikhq> Dammit Apple, stop pretending that your general-purpose computer is not general-purpose!
23:47:52 <ehird> pikhq: i hate my iphone 'cuz of the keyboard
23:47:59 <ehird> if it had a nice, small physical, shitty, keyboard
23:48:03 <ehird> the worst keyboard ever, but a real one
23:48:04 <pikhq> That too is a bitch..
23:48:23 <nooga> comex: how to autosize subviews in table cell? :D
23:48:43 <pikhq> ehird: Stick a Happy Hacker on that sucker.
23:48:56 <ehird> pikhq: that is soooo portable.
23:49:00 <ehird> and sooo not noisy at night :)
23:49:17 <ehird> pikhq: happy hacking sux anyway
23:49:20 <ehird> only Ctrl and a stupid Fn key
23:49:22 <pikhq> Probably the smallest full keyboard you can get, so... :)
23:49:44 <ehird> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/T-Mobile_G1_launch_event_2.jpg
23:49:58 <pikhq> ... Purchase normally.
23:50:30 <ehird> pikhq: Anyway, how'd I connect it?
23:52:20 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("YES -> thor-ainor.it <- THIS IS *DELICIOUS*!").
23:52:38 <ehird> pikhq: Literally. Cable. No USB.
23:53:11 <psygnisf_> guys, did i mention that i have a NeXTstation? what should i do with it? :D
23:53:21 -!- psygnisf_ has changed nick to psygnisfive.
23:53:51 <ehird> psygnisfive: Sell it and buy a NeXTCube.
23:54:34 <pikhq> psygnisfive: Install GNUstep on it.
23:54:42 <ehird> NeXTStep is amazing
23:54:53 <pikhq> ehird: Yes, I know.
23:54:54 <ehird> GNUstep is all Linuxy.
23:55:02 <pikhq> It's just that GNUstep is still maintained.
23:55:08 <ehird> If I wanted Unix + NeXTStep, I'd buy OS X.
23:55:12 <pikhq> I could've sworn it wasn't on Darwin.
23:55:41 <psygnisfive> also, who the fuck are you, SCO? linux is not unix
23:55:57 <ehird> Shut up, kiddo. :P
23:56:14 <pikhq> ehird: ... Unix + NeXTStep?
23:56:16 <psygnisfive> a friend and i are gonna make an OS framework on top of <insert random *nix kernel here>
23:56:25 <pikhq> You *are* aware that NeXTStep was a UNIX, right?
23:56:37 <psygnisfive> actually, pikhq has a point: NeXTstep used the Mach kernel from the beginning
23:56:41 <Sgeo> Well, that's nice and backwards
23:56:45 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined.
23:56:54 <ehird> But OS X mangled it with more of BSD than before.
23:56:57 <Sgeo> home() of an EXIT is not where it's @link'ed to
23:57:04 <ehird> Sure, NeXTStep's kernel was Mach + bits of BSD.
23:57:12 <ehird> But OS X is basically FreeBSD + NeXTStep.
23:57:14 <ehird> Adding more to the mix.
23:57:28 <ehird> psygnisfive: i know what you should do
23:57:33 <ehird> psygnisfive: add the first web browser/editor, WorldWideWeb
23:57:39 <ehird> http://browsers.evolt.org/
23:57:42 <ehird> its available there
23:58:10 <ehird> psygnisfive: that's not the point
23:58:16 <ehird> psygnisfive: this one was written by tim berners-lee
23:58:19 <ehird> the original, very firt
23:58:23 <ehird> before anyone even knew about the web
23:58:23 <ehird> http://browsers.evolt.org/?worldwideweb/
23:58:29 <ehird> psygnisfive: so buy a cube :p
23:58:51 <warrie> So, I've upgraded Linux, and my sound problem is gone.
23:58:57 <ehird> psygnisfive: put a vnc server up so I can dick about nextstep
23:58:57 <warrie> Videos now play at normal speed with no sound at all.
23:59:07 <ehird> warrie: Your linux installation is fucked, we've established.
23:59:12 <ehird> Wipe it and reinstall, and don't fuck it again :P
23:59:13 <Sgeo> ehird, I don't see VioletWWW
23:59:40 <Sgeo> I wanted VioletWWW
23:59:44 <ehird> Sgeo: it was violawww, dumbo
23:59:52 <Sgeo> It's still not there