00:07:35 <GregorR> Mmmm, root beer + coca-cola.
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00:13:02 <GregorR> Sorry about all the logoffs/logons, I'm testing more minimalistic WMs
00:13:25 <GregorR> Well, right now I'm trying fluxbox.
00:15:58 <ehird> GregorR: Try IceWM.
00:16:23 <ehird> It does the minimum necessary for the actual window management stuff.
00:16:24 <ehird> GregorR: alcoholic root beer or not?
00:16:39 <GregorR> You have alcoholic root beer in the UK? :P
00:25:40 <ehird> Root beer, popularized in North America, comes in two forms: alcoholic and soft drink.
00:26:12 <ehird> I was just wondering, because there's a good chance that a mix of a soft drink and any other drink is alcoholic :P
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00:35:07 <oerjan> i think fucking moons can be dangerous, and would generally keep away from them.
00:36:03 <pikhq> ... Alcoholic root beer?
00:36:20 <pikhq> I suppose next you'll tell me that they make alcoholic ginger ale.
00:39:32 <ehird> Does root beer actually taste any good?
00:39:57 <pikhq> If you get root beer that is actually brewed, it is the most delicious soft drink.
00:40:19 <pikhq> If you get the cheap crap that most people are familiar with, it is still rather tasty. Just nowhere near as much.
00:41:38 <ehird> I might have to try it, then.
00:41:46 <pikhq> The same is true of ginger ale.
00:41:59 <GregorR> So what, you don't have root beer in the UK? :P
00:42:05 <oerjan> GregorR: so, do you know anything that tastes good to you but that nearly no one else likes?
00:42:07 <pikhq> Though what's actually brewed is so much better that it almost counts as a different soft drink.
00:42:09 <ehird> I've just never tried it.
00:42:29 <pikhq> Though Moxie is not disliked by many people.
00:42:37 <pikhq> It's unknown by many people.\
00:42:47 <GregorR> Many people who know it hate it :P
00:43:15 <GregorR> I like most everything, minus beverages and most dairy products.
00:43:24 <ehird> I hate most everything.
00:43:28 <pikhq> Many people hate very spicy things.
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00:43:45 <GregorR> But people don't hate it because they dislike the flavor, they hate it because it hurts, that's not really fair.
00:43:50 <ehird> Are you on the moon?
00:43:58 <ehird> Go to the moon, Zuu.
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00:44:17 <pikhq> GregorR: Many people hate any concentration of capsaicin.
00:44:35 <zzo38> I am not on the moon.
00:44:44 <GregorR> `addquote <zzo38> I am not on the moon.
00:44:48 <HackEgo> 44|<zzo38> I am not on the moon.
00:45:00 <GregorR> (That was just so matter-of-fact I couldn't help but laugh :P )
00:45:05 <zzo38> Because I am on the Earth.
00:45:17 <ehird> zzo38: Why aren't you a martian?
00:45:21 <ehird> <zzo38> Because I am a human.
00:45:42 <ehird> pikhq: I want to try a Naga Jolokia sometime.
00:45:44 <ehird> Because I hate myself.
00:45:51 <ehird> "In 2009, Indian defense scientists claimed to have found a new place to use the chilies -- in hand grenades. The scientists aim to use the Chillies to control rioters to immobilize people without killing them.[12]"
00:45:57 <ehird> HAND GRENADE-GRADE PEPPER.
00:46:06 <ehird> I wonder what happens if you ingest PURE CAPSAICIN.
00:46:25 <pikhq> Anaphylatic shock.
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00:47:51 <ehird> GregorR: This broadcast sure has been exciting for several hours.
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00:49:17 <ehird> <momentous speech> fzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
00:50:31 <oerjan> > iterate(const 'z')'f'
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00:50:33 <lambdabot> "fzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
00:50:50 <ehird> zzo38: are you on the moon yet?
00:51:14 <zzo38> I'm not on the moon, I am trying to test something with this program
00:51:26 <ehird> zzo38: Why aren't you on the moon?
00:52:04 <zzo38> Why should I be on the moon?
00:52:19 <ehird> zzo38: Because it's been 40 years since you were last there.
00:52:26 <ehird> You'd think that you'd go and see how it's doing.
00:53:06 <zzo38> It takes a lot of rockets and stuff to go to the moon.
00:53:20 <ehird> zzo38: Well, get some!
00:53:51 <ehird> zzo38: The Moon won't be pleased.
00:53:56 <ehird> It's a harsh mistress.
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00:57:33 * oerjan has this feeling zzo38 doesn't like jokes
00:57:49 <GregorR> He might if they were in Chinese *shrugs*
00:58:06 <oerjan> i had the impression he was american.
00:58:35 <oerjan> after first having had the impression he was chinese, and then getting told that was wrong.
00:59:30 <oerjan> his real name is Bob, and he's starting to get angry at us
01:00:07 <oerjan> you might still survive if you are careful with your apostrophes
01:01:32 <pikhq> ehird: It's a Harsh Mistress.
01:01:41 <ehird> pikhq: That was my reference.
01:01:58 <ehird> Despite having never read it.
01:02:17 <ehird> I just, never get round to it.
01:02:24 <ehird> Also, Heinlein was a libertarian.
01:02:29 <ehird> He therefore loses mental prioriy.
01:02:39 <pikhq> Yes, but he was also an awesome author.
01:03:00 <ehird> Ayn Rand was both a libertarian and a shitty author.
01:03:08 <ehird> Ooh I have a joke now
01:03:22 <ehird> Q: What do you call a dyslexic who believes in freedom for all?
01:04:01 <Gracenotes> the joke police are here to inform you it is unlikely a dyslexic would confuse librarian and libertarian
01:04:14 <ehird> Gracenotes: Duck my sick.
01:04:29 <pikhq> However, a dyslexic would confuse libertarian and nairatrebil.
01:04:40 <pikhq> Now if only there were nairatrebils.
01:04:49 <ehird> nairatre-billed platypus
01:09:25 <pikhq> Republicans whargarbling about how the healthcare reform is an "irresponsible experiment".
01:09:26 <oerjan> are those related to gerbils?
01:09:45 <pikhq> ... Fine, you want something tried and tested? Let's do what every other developed nation does.
01:10:47 <pikhq> Man. Health-care reform being proposed and a single-payer system isn't even considered.
01:11:00 <ehird> pikhq: IT'S COMMUNIST
01:11:15 <ehird> ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
01:12:25 <GregorR> ^^^ (Too content free for people to realize this is a Charlie the Unicorn quote)
01:12:59 <ehird> pikhq: I've never been able to inform my brain about the US healthcare system.
01:13:03 <ehird> If I understand it right...
01:13:08 <ehird> When you go into a medical institution...
01:13:13 <ehird> It's owned by some corporation or another...
01:13:18 <ehird> and you have to buy the services?
01:13:27 <GregorR> No, that's why we have insurance.
01:13:38 <ehird> GregorR: That's exactly the same but you pay in bulk.
01:13:44 <GregorR> But yes, that's the principle of the thing.
01:13:53 <ehird> It's always seemed so profoundly fucked up to charge money for being a healthy human being.
01:14:08 <GregorR> It's not as bad a system as people make it out to be, but it's pretty wtfbbq.
01:14:36 <pikhq> ehird: If it's an emergency, you get medical treatment and *then* you have to pay.
01:14:51 <GregorR> Also, any job worth its salt includes medical insurance.
01:14:56 <ehird> pikhq: And if you don't pay, you get the death penalty.
01:14:56 <pikhq> (thereby going into debt, if you have no insurance)
01:15:00 <GregorR> Hell, I'm a student and I get medical insurance through the school.
01:15:01 <ehird> (Please tell me this is true it would be hilarious)
01:15:12 <GregorR> Well I'm a graduate student.
01:15:51 <GregorR> I'm pretty sure we abolished the death sentence for dept a while ago :P
01:16:06 <pikhq> Because often-times the only way to get medical treatment is to get treatment and *default on your debt*, our ERs are flooded.
01:16:19 <ehird> We don't have the death penalty in the UK.
01:16:27 <pikhq> Sorry, get treatment in the ER.
01:16:47 <pikhq> ehird: We have people who claim to be "Pro-life" trying to ban abortions.
01:16:51 <ehird> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Death_Penalty_World_Map.svg ← the slate red means "actively uses the dealth penalty"
01:16:56 <ehird> you guys are in great company!
01:17:10 <pikhq> Who are simultaneously for the death penalty and no public health care.
01:17:29 <ehird> The only valuable lives are the sacred, untouched babies... so sleek and firm...
01:17:46 <ehird> WHOA I JUST STEERED THE CONVERSATION TO BABYPHILIA
01:17:47 <ehird> YOU SURE DID EHIRD
01:17:49 <pikhq> That's not a stance of "pro-life", that's just "pro-birth". As soon as you're popped out, they cease to give a fuck.
01:18:03 <GregorR> ehird: When you're eating a dead baby, why don't you eat the colon?
01:18:14 <ehird> GregorR: I don't know. Why don't you?
01:18:18 <GregorR> Nobody wants to eat their own semen!
01:18:39 <GregorR> That joke is Copyright (C) 2004 Gregor Richards
01:18:41 <oerjan> nothing to see here, move on.
01:19:38 <GregorR> Normally it's a good idea to eaaaaaaaaase the conversation into a dead baby joke that foul, but *eh* :P
01:19:39 <pikhq> Jokes aside, guys.
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01:20:04 <pikhq> Clearly, the pro-lifers really are just fans of "A Modest Proposal".
01:20:05 <ehird> zzo38: EATING DEAD BABY'S COLONS
01:20:38 <pikhq> GregorR: It's the only consistent explanation.
01:20:42 * GregorR pokes ehird in the facehole.
01:20:56 <ehird> Facehole... OR MANHOLE
01:20:56 <pikhq> Well, consistent with everything except the actual eating of babies.
01:21:25 <pikhq> zzo38: I see you wanted some packets from me... FROM SPACE!
01:21:48 <GregorR> Oh come on people, get out of your damned lander module and start a'walkin'!
01:21:49 <ehird> Deep, deep space. pikhq's deep space.
01:21:55 <ehird> Inside, only blackness.
01:22:02 <ehird> WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE
01:22:08 <zzo38> MizardX responds PING not quite right?
01:22:22 <zzo38> Actually, I was just testing a CRISC script in PHIRC to see if it could work.
01:23:11 <ehird> pikhq's black hole. It sucks in all matter.
01:23:19 <ehird> Guys, can we be more controversial.
01:23:57 * pikhq takes ehird to NAMBLA
01:24:21 <ehird> NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN PIKHQ'S EVENT HORIZON
01:24:37 <GregorR> ehird: JOKES TOO STUPID. CEASE AND DESIST.
01:24:55 <ehird> GregorR: More like 'de cyst, right?
01:24:57 <AnMaster> * oerjan has this feeling zzo38 doesn't like jokes <-- Btw, I thought those jokes were kind of funny.
01:25:00 <ehird> By which I mean the cyst.
01:25:15 <pikhq> What do you get when you combine a monkey and a bungee cord?
01:25:23 <ehird> A monkey with a bungee cord, pikhq.
01:25:23 <pikhq> MY ASS. MAHAH.HAH.
01:25:25 <ehird> A monkey with a bungee cord.
01:25:36 <zzo38> I never said I didn't like this jokes (or anything else either)
01:25:37 <pikhq> It's been too long since I've seen Kung Pow, okay?
01:25:57 <ehird> FLOTSAM, JETSAM AND THE AXIOMATIC SYSTEM
01:26:15 <zzo38> CRISC is the scripting language built-in to PHIRC. You can combine CRISC codes with PHIRC codes.
01:26:27 <zzo38> s/with PHIRC codes/with PHP codes/
01:26:39 <AnMaster> <pikhq> Clearly, the pro-lifers really are just fans of "A Modest Proposal". <-- that title sounds familiar. Rings a bell yes. But no clue what bell..
01:26:40 <pikhq> Not enough arrows.
01:26:47 <ehird> zzo38: does PHPIRC combat the maximum 22-minute lag from here to Mars?
01:26:55 <ehird> (shortest 3 minutes; sometimes unreachable)
01:26:57 <HackEgo> Jonathan Swift's satirical essay from 1729, where he suggests that the Irish eat their own children. \ art-bin.com/art/omodest.html - [16]Cached - [17]Similar
01:27:04 <ehird> delaying everything from earth by those minutes
01:27:07 <ehird> so that the chat is synced up
01:27:25 <ehird> It's a piece of land.
01:27:27 <pikhq> READ A FUCKING BOOK PEOPLE.
01:27:34 <AnMaster> (spelled it in Swedish by mistake)
01:27:37 <ehird> pikhq: Books? Having SEXUAL INTERCOURSE?!
01:27:38 <pikhq> zzo38: Needs more of this:
01:27:40 <zzo38> PHIRC knows nothing about Mars. It won't work with Mars unless someone connects internet to Mars, and even then it will be just as slow as any other internet connection to Mars.
01:27:52 <ehird> zzo38: Yesb ut if you delay the Earth messages by 22 minutes or so
01:27:56 <lambdabot> forall b (m :: * -> *) c a. (Monad m) => (b -> m c) -> (a -> m b) -> a -> m c
01:27:58 <ehird> then earth/mars chat can happen chronologically
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01:28:45 <zzo38> You can add new protocols to PHIRC by writing them as a PHP class. I would like to see any that people might add.
01:28:50 <pikhq> Mmm, gluing functions of monads together.
01:29:03 <ehird> zzo38: Pap dap dop duk til bot ding?
01:29:14 <zzo38> ehird: What's that?
01:29:14 <ehird> DECIMAL 59 DECIMAL 59
01:29:26 <ehird> Which is octal 12479892.
01:29:33 <GregorR> Dobleve te efe is "papa decimal two"?
01:29:48 <ehird> GregorR: Fvstruk dang dop dong pop top top top bing bong bang?
01:32:08 <zzo38> There's the example script I used to ping everyone on the channel: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/PHIRC/example1.crisc
01:32:54 <pikhq> TECO is not considered a good idea.
01:33:54 <pikhq> The canonical write-only language.
01:34:23 <zzo38> I know what TECO is. But what are you talking about TECO and Jesus?
01:34:39 <pikhq> CRISC is like TECO.
01:34:44 <pikhq> And that's not a good thing.
01:35:17 <zzo38> You can also use PHP to extend PHIRC as well.
01:35:27 <ehird> 01:34 zzo38: I know what TECO is. But what are you talking about TECO and Jesus?
01:35:32 <zzo38> And you can combine PHP codes with CRISC codes to extend PHIRC also.
01:35:34 <ehird> When did he say Je— oh.
01:37:22 <zzo38> Well, here's a much simpler CRISC code for initializing some settings: http://pastebin.ca/1501559
01:38:34 <zzo38> As you can see, this one is a much simpler code.
01:39:20 * pikhq returns a vomit thunk
01:39:45 <zzo38> /SET sets a configuration setting, /MAC 1 makes a macro for the F1 key, /CLS clears screen, /V displays version of PHIRC, /SIZE makes it retrieve the size of the terminal window so that it can backspace across lines properly.
01:40:00 <ehird> pikhq: a vomit thunk?
01:40:07 <ehird> maybe a thunk of type IO Vomit?
01:40:17 <pikhq> ehird: It's a thunk that, when evaluated, results in vomit.
01:40:29 <ehird> Yes, but vomit has side effects.
01:40:44 <pikhq> Fine, fine. It's in the IO monad.
01:41:07 <ehird> Then it's not vomit; it's an action that, when executed by the RTS, results in vomit.
01:41:22 * pikhq willo-onhaven have vomited upon that being executed
01:41:35 <ehird> "onhaven have"? is that correct?
01:42:12 <pikhq> I only read the first couple of pages of the book of temporal conjugations; the rest could be blank for all I know. :P
01:42:25 <ehird> wait, there's actually a whole book for it?
01:42:28 <ehird> I thought Adams just made it up
01:42:40 <ehird> googling suggests not
01:42:46 <pikhq> I'm just continuing the DNA reference.
01:43:08 <pikhq> He said that later editions were printed with most of the pages blank, since nobody read more than a few pages at the start.
01:43:10 <ehird> DNA = Douglas Adams.
01:43:22 <pikhq> Douglas Noel Adams.
01:43:59 <pikhq> And he was born near where DNA was discovered in the same year.
01:44:12 <ehird> pikhq: I wonder what "I will go back in time to kill my grandfather and then will go back to the present day where I will consider this killing" would be in the corerct form.
01:44:22 <ehird> Wow, Adams was 6ft by age 12...
01:44:58 <ehird> pikhq: Yeah. His end-of-growth height was 6ft5in.
01:45:12 <HackEgo> i'm 6ft and just wondering how many inches / cms i am. ... 6 ft = 12 inches/ft X 6 = 72 inches 6 ft = 2.54 cm/inch X 72 inches = 182.88 cm ... 72inches = 6feet. ... \ answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid... - [16]Cached - [17]Similar
01:45:18 <ehird> AnMaster: 1.82meters
01:45:31 <AnMaster> ehird, ok that is quite tall for 12 years then
01:45:31 <ehird> final growth height 1.95meters
01:45:36 <ehird> AnMaster: "quite"?!
01:45:39 <ehird> Are all Swedes gigantic?
01:45:54 <ehird> 6ft by age 12 is basically a violation of the laws of physics.
01:45:56 <pikhq> I'm 6 foot and considered slightly tall.
01:46:06 <ehird> All Swedes are tiiiiiiiiiiny.
01:46:11 <ehird> They live in a tiiiiiiiiny country.
01:46:11 <pikhq> AnMaster: Tiny AnMaster!
01:46:15 <AnMaster> ehird, damn, don't blow the cover!
01:46:18 <pikhq> You must be friends with Tiny Carl Jung!
01:46:22 <ehird> AnMaster: THAT'S HOW YOU'RE FINLAND
01:46:24 <GregorR> ehird: You've never heard the expression "Gargantuan Swedes"?
01:46:27 <ehird> You're a hill in Finland.
01:46:43 <AnMaster> ehird, nah, the truth is even darker
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01:47:08 <GregorR> The Swedish majority in my PL group makes me, at a paltry 5'10", seem itty-bitty :P
01:47:10 <ehird> If a Swedish meter is a real centimeter, then Sweden is 1737 square miles.
01:47:12 * pikhq wants some write-only memory
01:47:17 <AnMaster> ehird, rather, we Swedes outnumber the rest of the world's population instead. Just we have about 9 millions controllable robots that looks like real humans
01:47:23 <AnMaster> to make up the fake population
01:47:31 <ehird> pikhq: http://www.supersimplestorageservice.com/
01:47:36 <pikhq> GregorR: That is itty bitty.
01:47:42 <ehird> pikhq: Stored on the highest-grade write-only non-volatile memory.
01:47:47 <ehird> At competitive prices, too!
01:47:56 <ehird> The ONLY provably secure storage service.
01:48:15 <GregorR> `calc 5 foot 10 inches in meters
01:48:17 <HackEgo> 5 foot 10 inches = 1.77800 meters
01:48:59 <AnMaster> ehird, how do you reach your data later then?
01:49:06 <ehird> AnMaster: You don't. It's write-only.
01:49:37 <ehird> To provide write-only storage.
01:50:17 <ehird> People who want write-only storage.
01:50:34 <AnMaster> ehird, examples of such applications?
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01:50:37 <pikhq> (Buy Now!) -- $10,000, the entire S4 website and company
01:50:49 <ehird> AnMaster: They said the same to plenty of things.
01:50:52 <ehird> "Who would want to use that?"
01:50:59 <ehird> "I can't think of any applications."
01:51:02 <ehird> Such Luddite thinking.
01:51:03 <AnMaster> "S4 Amazon's S3 3.5" floppies Abacuses"
01:51:14 <ehird> So they have a funny website.
01:51:22 <ehird> Plenty of Web 2.0 stuff has stuff like that.
01:51:51 <pikhq> I have every reason to believe that they do, in fact, offer write-only storage of data.
01:52:27 <AnMaster> "Consuming S4 is a snap with advanced integration options. Upload directly from our website, send an email, tweet your content, or simply yell in an empty room."
01:52:34 <ehird> AnMaster: It's called humour.
01:52:36 <ehird> The thing you lack.
01:52:41 <ehird> Because not everyone is 100% serious all of the time.
01:54:08 <pikhq> I suspect they use the Signetics 25120 for storage.
01:54:24 <pikhq> http://www.national.com/rap/files/datasheet.pdf
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02:26:03 <GregorR> Running 30 minutes slow? LOSERS
02:26:15 <ehird> MOON LANDING IS FOR FAGS
02:26:34 <ehird> pikhq: Congratulations, you're 26 minutes late.
02:26:41 <ehird> GregorR: You'd get along great with oerjan.
02:26:46 <ehird> pikhq: 27 actually.
02:26:54 <pikhq> ehird: AnMaster, clearly, is on Mars.
02:26:57 <GregorR> ehird: BETTER THAN ALDRIN LAWL
02:27:33 <ehird> GregorR: I've maintained since today that Armstrong/Aldrin slashfic needs to be written, for the increasement of the sum total of sheer inanity in the universe.
02:27:44 <GregorR> `google armstrong aldrin slash fiction
02:27:45 <HackEgo> Jul 18, 2009 ... Apollo 11 Moon landing: ten facts about Armstrong Aldrin and Collins' mission ... Lt Col Michael Collins Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin which allowed man ... /Film (Slash Film) Agence France Presse Al Jazeera ... \ www.newscred.com/...11...armstrong-aldrin.../1784982 - [18]Cached - [19]Similar
02:28:00 <GregorR> `google armstrong aldrin gay slash fic
02:28:01 <HackEgo> Oct 28, 2007 ... They look like a modern gay couple; put them in leathers and, with a piercing or two, they could be in Dykes ... Some of the slashes go right through the paper. ... Adult fiction debut with all the sexual tension of Twilight. video: lunar gadgets. Edwin 'Buzz' Aldrin photographed by Neil Armstrong ...
02:28:28 <GregorR> I think it might actually not be out there D-8
02:30:23 <GregorR> nifty.org, you've failed me.
02:30:29 <GregorR> Nope, it's not out there :P
02:32:38 <ehird> GregorR: I like how as soon as someone says "Armstrong/Aldrin slashfic", you think "Ah yes! Good old nifty.org!"
02:36:40 <ehird> Behind what? BUZZ ALDRIN'S BUTT?
02:37:38 <GregorR> Who's that moon landing conspiracy theorist that Aldrin punched in the face?
02:37:45 <GregorR> They need Aldrin/that-guy slash fiction.
02:40:01 <pikhq> GregorR: I assume BDSM.
02:41:30 <GregorR> "DID WE LAND ON THE MOON?", Aldrin bellowed. ".. yes, yes!", he sobbed tears of both pain and ecstasy.
02:42:53 <pikhq> Your argument is compelling, but needs more flamethrowers.
02:43:43 <ehird> Sexy flamethrowers.
02:44:52 * GregorR really doesn't want to know about your flamethrower slash fic :P
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02:50:04 <GregorR> Heh, are they relaying the lander module, via Earth, to the command module? Yay for totally needless lag :P
02:50:48 <GregorR> oerjan: You missed all the slashfic.
02:51:06 <oerjan> well, i'll be reading the logs. maybe.
02:51:12 <ehird> oerjan: you are gay though.
02:52:52 <GregorR> That was just so utterly contextless I have no response :P
02:53:13 <ehird> 02:26 ehird: MOON LANDING IS FOR FAGS 02:26 GregorR sets off for the moon. 02:26 ehird: GregorR: You'd get along great with oerjan.
02:54:19 <GregorR> "We copy your antenna scratching the roof, roger."
02:54:39 <ehird> is that a real quote? :D
02:54:39 <GregorR> Wooh, cabin depressurization.
02:54:52 <ehird> I can't hear what they say, remember
02:58:08 <GregorR> http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11transcript_tec.html
02:58:17 <GregorR> Connect OPS O2 hose to right hand PGA blue connector and lock <-- just said
02:58:42 <oerjan> <ehird> When did he say Je- oh. <-- I suggest being nice to people. _Even_ if they say Jehovah.
02:59:53 <oerjan> what we have here is a fatal python error.
03:00:30 <oerjan> of the monty implementation.
03:01:32 <GregorR> "Sure wish I'd shaved list night" X-D
03:11:09 <oerjan> > flip take" ta,".fromEnum=<<(randomRs(3,4).mkStdGen)42
03:11:11 <lambdabot> " ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta, ta ta, ta ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta ta, ta, ta, ta, ta t...
03:12:32 <ehird> was botherating me
03:12:49 <oerjan> > flip take" ta,"=<<(randomRs(3,4).mkStdGen)42
03:12:50 <lambdabot> " ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta, ta ta, ta ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta ta, ta, ta, ta, ta t...
03:13:26 <oerjan> > (`take`" ta,")=<<(randomRs(3,4).mkStdGen)42
03:13:28 <lambdabot> " ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta, ta ta, ta ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta ta, ta, ta, ta, ta t...
03:16:02 <pikhq> > tail$(`take`" ta,")=<<(randomRs(3,4).mkStdGen)42
03:16:04 <lambdabot> "ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta, ta ta, ta ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta ta, ta, ta, ta, ta ta...
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03:33:12 <GregorR> From the transcript: 04 12 46 14 LMP (TRANQ)
03:33:13 <GregorR> That's what it is. Yes. *** Why don't you bend down and let me stow that. See if we ***.
03:33:22 <GregorR> The slashfic practically writes itself.
03:41:31 <ehird> HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
03:42:22 <ehird> GregorR: When the door opens, you can see Buzz's dick momentarily poke out the door, hungry for more Armstrong action.
03:42:40 <ehird> However, his reflexes quickly recoil, as cryogenic freezing is not preferable to the stoppage of sexual activities.
03:42:47 <GregorR> I refuse to respond to that :P
03:42:48 <ehird> You can analyze the footage. It's true.
03:46:09 <ehird> Ten minutes to go.
03:47:19 <GregorR> "I have to lean this way."
03:48:01 <ehird> GregorR: I TOLD YOU
03:49:52 <GregorR> "Okay. Your back is up against the purse. All right. Now it's on top of the DSKY. Forward and up; now you are clear. Little bit toward me. Straight down, to your left a little bit. Plenty of room. Neil, you're lined up nicely. Toward me a little bit, down. Okay. Now you're clear. You're catching the first hinge on the bottom."
03:50:22 <ehird> GregorR: The evidence is there. You're just denying it.
03:50:24 <ehird> ANALYZE THE FOOTAGE.
03:53:32 <GregorR> "Okay. Everything's nice and straight in here."
03:53:49 <ehird> GregorR: Exactly. In 3 minutes,
03:53:55 <ehird> we will witness the phantom moon dickage.
03:54:01 <ehird> ARMSTRONG WAS THE FIRST MAN ON THE MOON
03:54:05 <ehird> BUT NOT THE FIRST BODY PART
03:56:36 <GregorR> Yes, hang out on the foot of the ladder.
03:58:40 <ehird> GregorR: the audio cut out
03:58:56 <ehird> Refresh until you get in.
03:58:56 <GregorR> I assumed they just cut it off there :P
03:59:50 <GregorR> I hate how long this site's intro is.
04:00:37 <ehird> GregorR: you can press "Start >"
04:00:46 <ehird> saves a few seconds
04:01:31 <ehird> (NA) THAT'S ONE SMALL STEP FOR MAN, ONE GIANT LEAP FOR MANKIND.
04:01:41 <GregorR> Right now I just can't get through at all.
04:02:31 <GregorR> I think they just cut it off there :P
04:02:55 <ehird> the tweets keep coming
04:02:59 <ehird> and it says over capacity
04:03:02 <ehird> i saw that error for a second
04:03:12 <ehird> it's just exploded in popularity round about now
04:03:20 <ehird> GregorR: but the narration is still being twat
04:05:32 <ehird> The word twat has various functions, its primary meaning being a vulgar synonym for the human vulva, vagina, or clitoris.[1] It is also widely used as a derogatory epithet, especially in British English. The word is usually considered vulgar in all contexts.
04:05:49 <ehird> Twat is clearly the correct word.
04:06:46 <GregorR> Well, the two forms of the word are pronounced differently.
04:06:58 <GregorR> Rhymes with lot versus rhymes with fat.
04:07:58 <GregorR> Usage example: I twat of her twat.
04:08:18 <GregorR> (Twitter might have a problem with such twittering though :P )
04:08:21 <ehird> No, it's tweet/twAAt
04:09:04 <GregorR> As opposed to the other form, which rhymes with lot.
04:09:19 <GregorR> Hence, I twAAt of her twAUGHt.
04:09:44 <ehird> http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20090708_Worker_falls_into_chocolate_vat__dies.html
04:11:14 <oerjan> ah, sweet, sweet death
04:12:05 <Slereah> That's the best death after falling in a vat of naked women
04:13:06 <Slereah> Imagine the funeral service
05:30:15 <GregorR> Ah yes, suffocating in boiling chocolate.
05:30:35 <GregorR> (Oh, I guess it's only 120 degrees, not boiling, but still scalding hot)
05:31:08 <oerjan> `calc 120 fahrenheit in celcius
05:31:09 <HackEgo> Temperature question: What is 120 degrees Fahrenheit in Celsius? 120 F = 48.89 C 120 degrees F is equal to 48.89 degrees C Check this cheat sheet out: C to ...
05:31:37 <Slereah> I've had baths at that temperature
05:44:54 <pikhq> GregorR: ... 120°F, scalding?
05:45:02 <pikhq> I dunno about you, but I shower in that.
05:47:55 <pikhq> Hell, there's places that people live that can get hotter than that.
05:48:11 <pikhq> (though it's debatable whether people in Arizona are really living)
05:57:18 <Slereah> Well, living at 49°C isn't the same thing as dipping in it, pikhq
05:57:30 <Slereah> It's not the same conductivity, and you can't sweat in hot chocolate
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07:06:15 <augur> http://www.qubit.org/people/david/David1.jpg
07:06:29 <augur> HOW CAN WE BE SURE
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10:12:58 <augur> regarding the topic: yeah thats pretty accurate actually
10:16:29 <MizardX> So, 40 years ago we set foot on the Moon, and still we haven't reached the next blob.
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10:30:15 <MizardX> "ESA hopes to land humans on Mars between 2030 and 2035."
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11:44:47 <AnMaster> "<nooga_> no?" <-- about what?
12:09:20 <ehird> 06:06 augur: OR EHIRD
12:09:30 <ehird> fairly sure not me
12:09:49 <ehird> 09:30 MizardX: "ESA hopes to land humans on Mars between 2030 and 2035." 10:44 AnMaster: MizardX, why?
12:09:54 <ehird> AnMaster: is that really what you were saying why to?
12:15:32 <ehird> AnMaster: Fuck that attitude. Fuck anyone who's ever said that; they do nothing but ruin the human species. If you meant that as some sort of joke, which the retconning ";D" appears to be vaguely implying, it wasn't funny. I don't think you realise what jokes are. Jokes involves something that's said non-seriously in a way exaggerated so that you can detect it, and this non-seriousness must be used to point out something that makes us laugh. What you sai
12:15:35 <ehird> d didn't do that. It was just "why go?", the eternal question of the idiots. http://miscellanea.wellingtongrey.net/2006/12/18/why-go/
12:20:41 <AnMaster> ehird, you can use fake seriousness used as a joke.
12:21:02 <ehird> AnMaster: You really can't, not when there's no marking context, no conclusion, not even a hint of a followup.
12:21:06 <ehird> I like to murder and fuck babies
12:21:10 <ehird> ↑ Hey, that was a joke.
12:21:24 <AnMaster> ehird, possibly more context would have been needed. *shrug*
12:21:26 <ehird> And, if I had made that less obviously wrong, it'd still be a joke!
12:21:39 <ehird> Now for the new wave of humour: Just being stupid on purpose and then claiming it's a joke.
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13:24:36 <ehird> http://www.myoldmac.net/webse-e-flash.htm ← ahhhh system 7
13:28:50 <ehird> omg it even has the screensaver
13:29:38 <ehird> it's a bit faster than an old mac :D
13:30:00 <ehird> omg it doesn't have Geneva as a font option
13:32:40 <ehird> hmm the macintosh 512k was very ugly
13:32:52 <ehird> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Mac512K_wb.jpg ← the top
13:41:35 <fizzie> It didn't have the Flying Toasters thing. :/ Not that I know what in reality should be included in "the star trek edition" there.
13:49:48 <fizzie> After Dark's probably best-known screensaver, the one with flying toasters.
13:49:58 <fizzie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:After_Dark_Flying_Toasters.png
13:49:59 <ehird> i'm just wondering what the star trek thing was about
13:50:19 <fizzie> The screen saver control panel in that Flash of yours says "the star trek edition".
13:50:39 <fizzie> And apparently there has indeed been an After Dark star trek edition; at least there are some googly-hits.
13:51:52 <ehird> the menu blinking option is disabled :(
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13:52:01 <ehird> that saddens me. even current OS X blinks its menu items!
13:52:48 <ehird> fizzie: hmm there's no precision bitmap aligning dogcow in that either
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14:09:57 <oerjan> i assume this is an Evolving project
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14:21:38 <ehird> so, we have ObjectiveC++
14:21:43 <ehird> you know what we need?
14:21:58 <ehird> Objective-C++#Java.
14:22:13 <ehird> Objective-C++#JavaAynRand.
14:22:55 <ehird> 10 PRINT [NSString stringWithString:@"HELLO WORLD"]
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14:31:02 <Sgeo> Apparently, my college has Java as a 3xx level course
14:31:09 <Sgeo> Since I took AP Java, I don't need to take it
14:31:17 <ais523> wtf? it seems Microsoft released some Linux device drivers as GPL
14:31:30 <ais523> admittedly, you can't release a Linux driver as anything else if you want people to use it
14:32:13 <AnMaster> ehird, there? Is "Intel® Core 2 Duo Processor T9550" or "Intel® Core 2 Duo Processor P7370" best?
14:32:26 <ehird> AnMaster: Processor speed? FSB speed? Cache?
14:32:36 <HackEgo> Click here to view processor specification detail information. \ processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLGE4 - [14]Cached - [15]Similar
14:32:44 <HackEgo> Click here to view processor specification detail information. \ processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLG8X - [15]Cached - [16]Similar
14:32:48 <AnMaster> ehird, well, FSB is higher for the one with lower cpu freq
14:33:00 <ais523> HackEgo: you should make those "click here"s into links
14:33:14 <ehird> AnMaster: T9550 is better.
14:33:50 <ehird> T is the newer series, uses a little more power, has twice the L2 cache and you get .66ghz free.
14:34:01 <GregorR> ais523: lynx refuses to put links inline
14:34:11 <ehird> GregorR: W3M BITCH
14:34:13 <ais523> ehird: I misread that as "has an L2 cache" and got confused
14:34:28 <ehird> Preserves layout too
14:34:38 <GregorR> I severely do NOT want to preserve layout.
14:34:47 <ehird> GregorR: Only tables and centers and stuff.
14:34:50 <ehird> It'll do nothing to google results.
14:35:25 <ais523> tables would still look weird over IRC
14:36:12 <ehird> /usr/local/bin/lisppaste: line 112: syntax error: unexpected end of file
14:37:37 <ehird> echo -n "$1" | perl -pe's/([^-_.~A-Za-z0-9])/sprintf("%%%02X", ord($1))/seg'
14:37:44 <ehird> You gotta see it to believe it.
14:37:45 <ais523> wow, it's weird seeing someone saying \o/ without myndzi filling the rest in
14:37:56 <ehird> Why on earth is it %%%.
14:37:58 * GregorR wurves Rejected Cartoons :P
14:38:00 <ehird> GregorR: I can quote Rejected too.
14:38:04 <AnMaster> <ehird> T is the newer series, uses a little more power, has twice the L2 cache and you get .66ghz free. <.. 2.0 GHz vs 2.53 GHz = .66 GHz extra?
14:38:05 <ehird> My spoon is too big blah blah blah blah blah.
14:38:06 <ais523> ehird: heredoc ending?
14:38:06 <GregorR> I'm actually watching it and typing :P
14:38:21 <AnMaster> ehird, at least, those are the freqs that Lenovo lists
14:38:25 <ehird> AnMaster: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLGE4 → 2.66
14:38:33 <ehird> AnMaster: Anyway, I thought I already listed the best config option to you ages ago.
14:38:48 <ehird> ais523: I don't see a heredoc
14:38:50 <ehird> echo -n "$1" | perl -pe's/([^-_.~A-Za-z0-9])/sprintf("%%%02X", ord($1))/seg'
14:38:53 <AnMaster> ehird, yes, but as I said, not available in Sweden. I found some that were.
14:38:56 <ehird> It's the urlencode () function
14:39:17 <ehird> language=$(language_for_extension "${1##*.}") ;;
14:39:23 <ais523> I assumed the %% in the line afterwards was part of your quote
14:39:29 <ehird> where is this damned syntax error
14:39:30 <AnMaster> ehird, remailing turned out impossible, the person I knew in UK had moved to US.
14:39:35 <ais523> (% is an escape character in Konversation)
14:39:45 <ehird> AnMaster: remail from the US :-D
14:39:58 <ais523> also, that obviously prints percent signs followed by hex digits
14:40:03 <ehird> ais523: heh, I used % as an escape for my linguistic fuckerizer
14:40:06 <AnMaster> ehird, possibly, but I found a good alternative
14:40:08 <ehird> olde stuff and the like
14:40:14 <ais523> ooh, latest news from the SCO saga: IBM have just accused SCO of fraus
14:40:19 <ehird> ais523: but I made it so that "110%" worked
14:40:24 <ehird> only escapey characters were escapable
14:40:43 <ehird> though %% would prolly trip up to % regardless
14:41:07 <ehird> WHYY IS THIS A SYNTAX ERROR
14:41:13 <ais523> ehird: that's what happened with my three-percents earlier
14:42:11 <ais523> ehird: and what is that a syntax error in?
14:42:34 <ehird> something unterminated, since it's on the last line
14:43:02 <ehird> but the code looks absolutely fine
14:43:12 <ehird> ais523: you'd think they could give the position of the opening delimiter when they did that
14:43:26 <ais523> that often doesn't help either, with nestables
14:43:34 <ais523> you just get the first { in the program, or whatever
14:43:43 <ais523> is the code indented correctly?
14:43:51 <GregorR> <ais523> ooh, latest news from the SCO saga: IBM have just accused SCO of fraud
14:44:02 <ais523> GregorR: surprising, isn't it?
14:44:09 <ehird> 14:43 ais523: you just get the first { in the program, or whatever
14:44:16 <ehird> i can see where i forgot a delimiter
14:44:19 <ehird> (soon after its start, normally0
14:44:30 <GregorR> ais523: I refuse to believe your vile lies :P
14:44:43 <ehird> ais523: autoindenting doesn't change the indentation at the bottom
14:45:10 <ais523> maybe a delimiter got commented out or escaped by mistake?
14:45:25 <ehird> ais523: then it'd syntax highlight or indent correctly; regardless, I can't see any such thing
14:45:47 <ehird> Abuh?! You know how I just joked about Objective-C#?
14:45:52 <ehird> I'm reading a blog's archives.
14:45:57 <ehird> In front of me, right now, post title:
14:46:08 <ehird> Talking about a thing presented at a Microsoft conference.
14:46:15 <ehird> It is literally... maybe I got subconscious influence from it.
14:46:21 <ehird> Like, I think I was scrolled to here when I made the joke.
14:46:29 <ehird> I could have just forgotten briefly looking at it.
14:46:42 <nooga> i tried to write simple app for OS X that displays a window and puts random pixels in it
14:46:53 <ehird> nooga: aren't you an iphone dev?
14:46:59 <nooga> this whole NIB shit confused me
14:47:00 <ehird> you'd think simple os x dev wouldn't be much harder
14:47:06 <ehird> um the iphone has nibs too.
14:47:15 <nooga> ehird: sure, but our app throws nibs away
14:47:24 <ehird> you're a terrible iphone developer
14:47:35 <nooga> we create everything "by hand" using our formats
14:47:53 <ehird> (for the linuxheads: Not using NIBs is like, say, not using Glade, and instead writing monotonous code to generate each UI element at a certain pixel point.)
14:48:14 <nooga> i need a clear window with a surface to draw on
14:48:16 <ehird> (...or in this case, scripting said code with a different format that presumably doesn't have the lovely Interface Builder.)
14:48:38 <ehird> nooga: please tell me the brandname these apps are released under so i can avoid them like the plague
14:49:22 <nooga> it looks as if it were build in IB
14:49:41 <ehird> nooga: aren't you the guy who ported MFC to iPhone just so you didn't have to rewrite some code?
14:49:49 <ehird> i think i'd prefer to avoid them anyway
14:51:10 <ehird> did you not at least plan to do that
14:51:19 <nooga> MFC was an idiotic idea and we knew it
14:51:24 <ais523> haha: SCO's latest sale attempt contained a poison pill, which meant that if SCO's bankruptcy was converted to chapter 7, then the people they were selling to would get all their assets
14:51:29 <ehird> nooga: but you still said you were gonna do it
14:51:34 <ais523> somehow I doubt that will be approved
14:51:53 <nooga> i'm just a pawn ;p
14:52:10 <ais523> <IBM's lawyers> The Motion offers no reason for such a provision. Nor can one readily imagine how such a provision would benefit the estates or any reason why a purchaser in general or this Purchaser in particular would reasonably demand transfer of an asset for no additional consideration only if the cases were converted or a trustee were appointed. In fact, Mr. McBride, the Debtors' CEO, could not name a legitimate business reason for the poison pill.
14:53:22 <ais523> <IBM's lawyers> Thus, the Purchaser would pay a higher price if it is determined that the Litigated Copyrights, which the Debtors have valued so highly, and contractual rights that the Debtors claim to own are not owned by the Debtors, and consequently, not included in the Purchased Assets. The Purchaser would pay a lower price if those allegedly valuable assets are included. It does not require citation of authority to show that a purchase and sale
14:53:24 <ais523> agreement that provides for a lower price upon the transfer of higher value assets does not provide a fair sale price to the estate.
14:53:29 <ais523> those lawyers are so quotable...
15:00:46 <ehird> <IBM's lawyers> This agreement is between the International Business Machines corporation (hereafter "Licensor") and the user of IBM PhotoShare(TM) De-Luxe (hereafter "Product"), hereafter "Licensee".
15:01:03 <ais523> at least IBM know how to get their own name right
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15:09:45 <Sgeo> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes What could cause a guest OS to not work?
15:11:25 <Sgeo> Supposedly, OS/2 works
15:11:33 <ehird> Sgeo: non-perfect emulation
15:12:00 <Sgeo> Hm, thoughts on SkyOS?
15:12:22 * Sgeo has one thought on Syllable: I don't think I want to trust an OS when the website is so vulnerable to simple stuff
15:12:32 <Slereah> And if I did, I probably wouldn't have thoughts
15:12:39 <Sgeo> http://www.skyos.org/?q=node
15:13:18 <Sgeo> "SkyOS development is currently halted" bleh
15:18:20 <ehird> <Sgeo> An operating system is insecure if an extremely side-project aspect of it, the site, possibly not even coded by the authors, is vulnerable to a trivial, quite-easily-missed flaw. This is because OS development is exactly the same as web development.
15:18:38 <ehird> The more you know.
15:19:47 <Sgeo> IMO, SQL injections don't deserve to be "quite easily missed"
15:19:53 <Sgeo> But I see your point
15:20:06 <ehird> The site is coded in PHP, is it not?
15:20:13 <ehird> PHP is such a kludge that consistently avoiding such things is a pain.
15:20:21 <ehird> Anyway, the rest of what I said is still valid.
15:21:25 <Sgeo> When I get my laptop back, I'm going to get VirtualBox and try a lot of OSes
15:22:46 <Sgeo> I know it's a trivial and silly thing to complain about, but I hope Syllable is themable, I can't stand the theme I see in the screenshots
15:23:05 * ais523 wonders if a £20 note is worth its weight in gold
15:28:21 <ehird> Sgeo: most OSs suck.
15:29:48 <ehird> Sgeo: http://web.syllable.org/images/screenshots/Desktop/0.6.6/SyllableDesktop-0.6.6.jpg ;; i don't see what's wrong with this theme
15:30:32 <Sgeo> I didn't see that screenshot
15:30:43 <ehird> http://web.syllable.org/images/screenshots/Desktop/0.6.6/Sonic-on-MEDNAFEN.png has it too
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15:35:11 <oerjan> `wolfram weight of £20 note
15:38:09 <ehird> oerjan: try "20 pound note". i bet it'll ask whether you meant C# or G, and how on earth can a note have weight
15:38:24 <oerjan> `wolfram weight of 20 pound note
15:38:42 <ehird> oerjan: 20 pounds obviously
15:38:51 <oerjan> `wolfram mass of 20 pounds note
15:38:53 <ehird> `wolfram 20 pounds in kg
15:38:58 <ehird> `wolfram 20 pounds in kilograms
15:39:01 <HackEgo> 20 pounds in kg \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 20 lb pounds to kilograms \ Result: \ \ 9.072 kg kilograms \ Additional conversion: \ \ 9072 grams \ Comparison as mass: \ \ 0.13 \ Interpretation: \ \ 18 \ \ typical standard adult human mass \ \ 70 kg \ \ mass \ Corresponding quantities: \ \ Weight w of a body
15:39:52 <nooga> `wolfram 20 pounds in beer cans
15:39:59 <HackEgo> 20 pounds in beer cans \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 20 lb pounds to volume of a U.S. beer cans \ Result: \ \ lb pounds and volume of a U.S. beer cans are not compatible. \ Unit information: \ \ unit \ lb pounds volume of a U.S. beer cans \ \ dimensions mass length \ 3 \ \ common physical quantity mass volume of
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15:41:04 <nooga> `wolfram 20 pounds in beer cans of beer
15:41:37 <nooga> `wolfram 20 pounds of steel in beer cans
15:41:53 <ehird> ais523: oh brother, canonical open sourced launchpad ... as AGPL
15:42:17 <ais523> I love AGPL, it's good at annoying BSD fanboys
15:42:19 <ehird> services and software are fundamentally different
15:42:31 <ehird> ais523: what is up with you? you rank everything based on how much it annoys people you dislike
15:42:41 <ehird> and yet say "that really annoys me" to most everything
15:42:54 <ehird> most of the things you care to comment on your rating
15:43:15 <ehird> anyway, services are fundamentally different from software (f.e. charging for a service is fine, charging for software is not)
15:43:20 <ehird> AGPL misses the mark
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15:45:29 <oerjan> "Further details of the new note and enhanced security features are explained in a leaflet that is available as part of the Bank's range of educational materials." grmbl.
15:45:38 <ehird> lol, last.fm charge 3 eur/$3/£3 a month for a subscription... but use paypal, which converts currency for you
15:45:41 <ehird> so assuming the overhead isn't too big
15:45:46 <ehird> you can always save money by paying in dollars
15:45:52 <oerjan> ais523: i cannot find the mass of it
15:46:04 <ais523> I don't know the mass either
15:46:13 <ais523> otherwise, it would be a lot easier to check
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15:49:38 <oerjan> the price of 1 gram gold is 18.56 pounds
15:51:21 <pikhq> RE: the APGL. I am not entirely sure of my opinion on it.
15:51:57 <pikhq> Also, 3€, $3, or ₤3?
15:52:04 <pikhq> UNIT CONVERSION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
15:52:06 <ehird> well, not that £ 3
15:52:18 <ehird> anyway, the bits of a piece of software are not scarce, so selling them is wrong; the server resources and other upkeep costs of a server are scarce, so selling access to the service is okay
15:52:30 <pikhq> I slipped and hit = instead of - for my compose key.
15:52:36 <ehird> therefore, software and services are fundamentally different beasts
15:52:37 <ehird> and with that, i brb
15:52:43 <pikhq> Apparently there's a currency that uses ₤?
15:54:03 <Sgeo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-XoN1Ts6Wg
15:57:00 <ehird> that brb was a liie
15:58:46 <pikhq> I really like the Haskell definition of S. "liftM2 id".
15:58:53 <ehird> pikhq: You mean "ap".
15:59:11 <pikhq> Yes, that's the Haskell name for S.
16:02:28 <ais523> how do liftM and liftM2 differ?
16:02:37 <lambdabot> forall a1 r (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (a1 -> r) -> m a1 -> m r
16:02:40 <lambdabot> forall a1 a2 r (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (a1 -> a2 -> r) -> m a1 -> m a2 -> m r
16:06:04 <ehird> pikhq: btw, the 32nm SSDs are out
16:06:08 <ehird> on some sites at least
16:06:11 <ehird> not purchasable yet i don't think
16:06:15 <ehird> intel sez up to 60% price cuts possible
16:06:30 <ehird> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15741
16:06:46 <ehird> ... guess it got published accidentally
16:06:56 <ehird> its title while up included "[COMPLETE-EMBARGOED UNTIL 11 EST- see note]", so
16:07:26 <ais523> ehird: is it still in your cache?
16:07:36 <ehird> ais523: my iphone's, perhaps
16:07:41 <ehird> i don't really want to go poking around it, though
16:07:43 <ehird> that way lies madness
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16:53:14 <GregorR-L> http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2008/11/07/sneak-peak-the-dapper-cap-opens-tomorrow/ <-- I love me!
17:46:57 <ehird> 15:53 GregorR-L: http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2008/11/07/sneak-peak-the-dapper-cap-opens-tomorrow/ <-- I love me!
17:47:01 <ehird> You... love... me?
17:47:19 <GregorR-L> Note the striked-out correction in the article.
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17:50:19 <ehird> But haberdashery is a nicer word than "hat shop", which isn't even one.
17:51:16 <GregorR-L> It's also wrong, especially since he was pointing out that it was a more "comprehensive haberdashery" because it carried non-haberdashery-related items :P
17:52:21 <ehird> HAT SHOP IS NOT A WORD.
17:52:57 <GregorR-L> If this was German, it would be a hatschoppe
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18:05:24 * pikhq has delicious pancakes
18:06:15 * GregorR-L steals pikhq's delicious pancakes.
18:07:19 <GregorR-L> And yet, IIIIIIIIII'm eating them.
18:07:29 * GregorR-L stuffs six to eight pancakes into his gaping maw
18:08:34 <pikhq> I do believe that the mere existence of that store nearby would convince me to wear hats. :P
18:09:30 <GregorR-L> This is why Portland is better than geoIPQuery(whois(pikhq))
18:10:05 <pikhq> Middle of nowhere, Missouri.
18:10:24 <pikhq> There's not much needed to make Portland better.
18:10:41 <pikhq> The existence of, well, most anything would do it.
18:10:46 <GregorR-L> There's a reason the state's pronounced "Misery" :P
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18:12:52 <pikhq> There's not much misery to be had when you have delicious pancakes.
18:20:13 <ehird> pikhq: unless they're British pancakes.
18:20:17 <ehird> The misery is that they are not as good as US pancakes.
18:20:34 <ehird> I was just disproving your statement.
18:20:49 <GregorR-L> ... British pancakes are not US pancakes ...?
18:20:54 <pikhq> From what I understand, Scottish pancakes are also quite delish.
18:21:06 <pikhq> GregorR-L: Most countries have their own variant.
18:21:28 <GregorR-L> But how variant are we talkin' about? :P
18:22:26 <ehird> GregorR-L: Vary variant.
18:22:30 <ehird> Yeah, they're basically crepes.
18:22:45 <pikhq> Crêpes are delish.
18:22:47 <ehird> US pancakes are a lot more...
18:22:59 <ehird> Just more substantial.
18:23:01 <ehird> Also, maple syrup <3
18:23:11 <pikhq> It's a thicker batter.
18:23:16 <GregorR-L> Maple syrup is the solution to all problems.
18:23:22 <pikhq> Basically, it's Scottish pancakes done thicker.
18:23:33 <ehird> pikhq: there are substantial ingredient differences
18:23:37 <ehird> though i don't remember off the top of my head
18:23:42 <ehird> maple syrup is just so delicious
18:23:52 <pikhq> ehird: Different proportions.
18:24:11 <ehird> pikhq: no, actual different ingredients too I think
18:25:19 <pikhq> According to Wikipedia, self-raising flour, eggs, sugar and milk for Scottish, eggs, flour, milk or buttermilk, and a raising agent.
18:26:06 <GregorR-L> I like potato pancakes AKA latkas.
18:26:11 <ehird> Mrh, I'm just talking about the ones I've had.
18:26:17 <ehird> But the US ones were definitely way more delicious.
18:26:33 <ehird> Also, you can't stack UK pancakes.
18:26:37 <pikhq> Maple syrup is the solution to all problems.
18:26:39 <ehird> Therefore, USians win by default.
18:26:45 <ehird> pikhq: GregorR-L just said that :P
18:26:54 <pikhq> It bears repeating.
18:26:59 <ehird> GregorR-L: I don't think so.
18:27:24 <pikhq> OMG. The Netherlands' pancakes. Commonly served COVERED IN BACON.
18:27:32 <pikhq> GregorR-L: Awesomeness.
18:27:55 <ehird> http://www.ihop.com/ ← is that really sausage, egg, bacon, and other savory things with a US-style pancake?
18:27:56 <pikhq> I'm going to change that: bacon or maple syrup is the solution to all problems.
18:28:02 <ehird> Actually all of them look awful.
18:28:06 <GregorR-L> ehird: IHOP is the "International House of Pancakes". It's a 24-hour mostly-breakfast restaurant in the US. The "International" part refers to the variety of pancakes, not the chain.
18:28:09 <ehird> the banana macadamia nut looks okay
18:28:24 <FireFly> "[19:27:55] <ehird> http://www.ihop.com/ ← is that really sausage, egg, bacon, "
18:28:56 <ehird> GregorR-L: So, they're of the "take one basic product, and mix it with EVERYTHING ELSE" school of food.
18:29:17 <GregorR-L> ehird: Naw, they have three basic items: pancakes, waffles and french toast.
18:29:39 <ehird> GregorR-L: The basic product = pancakes.
18:29:39 <pikhq> Served with a side of eggs, bacon, and/or sausage.
18:29:44 <ehird> Mixed with everything else.
18:29:47 <ehird> http://www.ihop.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=2 ← The picture on the famous pancakes page... jesus
18:29:51 <ehird> "Butterscotch rocks pancakes"
18:29:55 <ehird> How can you people EAT that stuff
18:31:03 <ehird> US pancakes are thick
18:31:11 <ehird> although the ones i've had weren't THAT thick
18:31:17 <ehird> also it looks quite dry, the actual pancake
18:31:40 <ehird> pikhq: I really can't imagine eating... pancakes... with sausage.
18:31:41 <GregorR-L> Hahah, I probably wouldn't eat that one :P
18:31:50 <GregorR-L> ehird: srsly? It's pretty much awesomeness.
18:32:00 <HackEgo> [16]http://immaeatchu.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/casual-friday-dinners/ [17]http://blog.silive.com/weather/2007/04/should_i_wear_a_jacket.html [18]http://cuterbythehour.com/2008/05/08/guinea-pig-in-a-blanket/ [19]http://www.bouncingbabybaskets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=4 \ 2. [20]Pigs in
18:32:00 <pikhq> ehird: That's a rather normal thing.
18:32:10 <ehird> GregorR-L: that's savory
18:32:28 <ehird> the pancakes served with the sausage look... unsavory.
18:32:43 <ehird> hyuk hyuk double entrende
18:33:00 <pikhq> SUCH IS THE POWER OF DELICIOUSNESS.
18:33:20 <ehird> HAHAHAHA the menu has a "Desserts" section
18:33:36 <ehird> "After you've had your Butterscotch Rocks Pancakes, what shall we have for dessert?"
18:33:38 <pikhq> ... Someone would get desserts there?
18:33:52 <ehird> "Ooh, Crispy Banana Caramel Cheesecake!"
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18:43:44 <ehird> I'd better learn Cocoa sometime.
18:43:46 <ehird> AND NOW IS SOME TIME
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18:44:02 <ehird> IT IS AN AMOUNT OF TIME
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18:49:09 <ehird> AN AMOUNT OF CRIME
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19:12:43 * ehird updates XCode docs.
19:13:23 <ehird> Twiddle, twiddle, thumbs, thumbs.
19:17:56 <ehird> it's incredibly likely that two identical GUIDs have been generated, isn't it?
19:18:02 <ehird> not necessarily published
19:18:13 <ehird> i mean, just because of prngs and the like
19:18:52 <ais523> I thought the lengths were set high enough that even the birthday paradox wouldn't cause collisions
19:19:04 <ehird> yeah, but some PRNGs are really bad
19:19:09 <ehird> it could even be in the same system
19:19:27 <ehird> i wouldn't be surprised if a PRNG seed that repeated every N numbers was used to generate >N GUIDs in some system somewhere
19:20:16 <ehird> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID#Random_UUID_probability_of_duplicates
19:20:20 <ehird> but that assumes perfect randomness
19:20:26 <ehird> [[However, these probabilities only hold for Cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generators. These must be used to generate the values, otherwise the probability of duplicates may be significantly higher, since the statistical dispersion may be lower.]]
19:20:31 <ehird> which is totally unenforceable
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19:49:13 <ehird> [[Back when I was a student, I had Steve Jobs over for a fireside chat. When I asked my childhood hero if he would sign my Apple Extended keyboard, he looked a little surprised to see Woz’s signature already there, and then he exclaimed, “This keyboard represents everything about Apple that I hate. It’s a battleship. Why does it have all these keys? Do you use this F1 key? No.” And with his car keys he pried it right off. Alan Deutschman reported
19:49:16 <ehird> the moment in his book, culminating in Jobs’ comment: “I’m changing the world, one keyboard at a time.”]]
19:51:38 <fizzie> Deewiant: Better not invite Jobs over to your place for a fireside chat, then.
19:51:45 <ehird> Deewiant: On a pre-OS X Macintosh?
19:51:56 <ehird> It was an Apple keyboard.
19:52:05 <ais523> I don't think I use F1 very often
19:52:26 <ehird> So no, it was not PC-compatible.
19:52:47 <Deewiant> "Many are still using this keyboard through the use of ADB to USB converters."
19:52:55 <ehird> Deewiant: "Back when I was a student".
19:52:57 <ehird> It was in the 80s.
19:52:59 <ehird> When Jobs was at NeXT.
19:53:13 <ehird> Anyway, "no duh" to "What an asshole".
19:53:21 <ehird> Do you remember what happened when Apple DIDN'T have an asshole CEO?
19:53:29 <ehird> They made some of the worst computers ever.
19:54:02 <ehird> ("But ehird, they still do!" Waah waah waah :P)
19:55:01 <ehird> I want a bluetooth keyboard that uses that induction thingy for power instead of lameo replaceable batteries.
19:56:46 <fizzie> But the environment! Though I admittedly can't seem to find any recent efficiency figures for state-of-the-art inductive-coupling charging things like that touchstone.
19:57:27 <ehird> 2008: Intel reproduces Nikola Tesla's 1894 implementation and Prof. John Boys group's 1988's experiments by wirelessly powering a light bulb with 75% efficiency.[23]
19:57:34 <ehird> 1964: William C. Brown demonstrated on CBS News with Walter Cronkite a microwave-powered model helicopter that received all the power needed for flight from a microwave beam. Between 1969 and 1975 Brown was technical director of a JPL Raytheon program that beamed 30 kW over a distance of 1 mile at 84% efficiency.
19:58:12 <ehird> fizzie: WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW
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20:01:17 <fizzie> Well, you've got to compare that stuff to a wire. :p
20:01:48 <ehird> fizzie: beats batteries, surely
20:02:14 <fizzie> Er, wasn't that thing used to charge a battery?
20:02:31 <fizzie> Okay, not in the keyboard thing.
20:03:47 <ehird> fizzie: I mean, non-rechargable batteries.
20:04:09 * ehird notes that his wireless keyboard is heavier than lightweight notebooks
20:04:21 <fizzie> Well, yes, I guess it must beat that.
20:05:12 <fizzie> My GPS device eats rechargeable AAA batteries real fast, which is a shame. (There are lots-of-mAh's AA-size batteries, but the AAA ones seem to be quite a leap downwards.)
20:05:54 * ehird makes a new Apple ID to download documentation and stuff.
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20:06:09 <ehird> Hey, there's a new XCode.
20:06:13 <ehird> I should get that.
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20:14:11 <fizzie> Speaking of GPS, I geotaggered some (pretty darn boring!) photos from the vicinity: http://zem.fi/g2map/index.cgi/Travel/2009/Leppavaara2 (oh, and all detailed picture descriptions are quoted from a Finnish booklet)
20:15:17 <ehird> I need a higher resolution.
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20:16:01 <fizzie> Just in life, general; or the thumbnails; or the pictures themselves?
20:16:24 <ehird> *display; monitor is such a silly term.
20:16:51 <fizzie> It's called a "monitor" because the government is using it to monitor what you do.
20:17:09 <fizzie> They can see through those things; I read it from the Internet.
20:17:22 <ehird> fizzie: is your name Orwell?
20:20:13 <ehird> ExpanDrive would work better if applications didn't assume the filesystem is instant.
20:20:36 <ehird> Also, lazier; you don't want to traverse an entire FTP tree just to display the sidebar tree.
20:20:44 <ehird> (Same applies to a large local directory, too…)
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20:46:26 <pikhq> Next person to implement TCP on UDP gets shot.
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20:47:43 <GregorR-L> It was that GregorR-L_ character! The underscore makes him EVIL!
20:49:23 <fizzie> It's like a goatee in ASCII.
20:52:00 <ehird> A screencast with a text-to-speech narrator.
20:52:54 <ehird> What new hell is dissing
21:03:40 <ehird> Wow, all my applications assume the filesystem is instant.
21:03:49 <ehird> (My = that I have, so far.)
21:04:14 <ehird> Or rather: they may expect finite throughput, but they also expect zero or low latency
21:05:19 <ais523> NetHack doesn't assume an instant filesystem
21:05:35 <ais523> there's an option that tells it you're running on a floppy disk and disk access will be rather slow
21:06:18 <ehird> ais523: not as slow as the interwebs
21:06:26 <ehird> this is why leaky abstractions suck; networked filesystems, RPC, etc
21:06:50 * ehird attempts to watch a really dated introduction to python video over ibiblio ftp
21:07:46 * ehird gets disconnected.
21:08:13 * ehird drags it to the local disk instead
21:08:48 * ais523 wonders who invented dragging
21:09:07 <ais523> I know Windows 3.1 came with a mouse tutorial
21:09:14 <ais523> which explained how to use a mouse
21:10:15 <ehird> ais523: either Xerox PARC the Macintosh
21:10:30 <ehird> the Macintosh was basically ripped from PARC plus improvements
21:10:36 <ehird> and the original Macintosh had drag-and-drop
21:10:46 <ehird> and PARC is the only desktop-metaphor system predating it
21:10:49 <ehird> so it's one of the two
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21:11:21 <ehird> heh this introducing python video is 200 meg
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21:12:48 <ehird> Zero KB of 237.5 MB!
21:13:26 <ehird> Explaining creativity: the science of human innovation - Google Books Result
21:13:26 <ehird> by Robert Keith Sawyer - 2006 - Psychology - 354 pages
21:13:28 <ehird> Lisa (1983) or Ed Anson (1980) or Xerox PARC (1982) Menu bar 1983 Lisa Apple ... Xerox PARC Drag and drop movement 1984 (?) Jeff Raskin Macintosh of icons ...
21:13:31 <ehird> books.google.com/books?isbn=0195161645... -
21:13:33 <ehird> Folklore.org: Macintosh Stories: On Xerox, Apple and Progress
21:13:35 <ehird> Drag-and- drop file manipulation came from the Mac group, along with many other ... I have great respect for the amazing computer scientists at Xerox PARC, ...
21:13:38 <ehird> ais523: the internet is divided!
21:13:53 <ehird> ais523: "drag and drop movement of icons" was invented for the Macintosh
21:14:05 <ehird> (the former wasn't saying PARC invented it)
21:14:09 <ehird> (there was a newline in between)
21:14:32 <ehird> "Smalltalk has no Finder, and no need for one, really. Drag-and- drop file manipulation came from the Mac group, along with many other unique concepts: resources and dual-fork files for storing layout and international information apart from code; definition procedures; drag-and-drop system extension and configuration; types and creators for files; direct manipulation editing of document, disk, and application names; redundant typed data for the clipboar
21:14:34 <ehird> d; multiple views of the file system; desk accessories; and control panels, among others."
21:14:45 <ehird> ais523: so, the Macintosh; probably by Jef Raskin
21:18:43 <fizzie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJhG-uds0-o has the win3.1 mouse tutorial; I remember that; it's the awesome, it's like this skill test "click here" "click there" "wow!"
21:19:00 <fizzie> Oh, and UI elements that fly around.
21:19:19 <ehird> sounds like interference
21:19:32 <fizzie> Don't know, didn't listen to the sound track.
21:20:15 <ehird> speaking of Macintosh/Windows, here's an ad for Windows 95… from Apple: http://www.guidebookgallery.org/ads/magazines/windows/win95-apple
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21:22:13 <ehird> pikhq: …, you mean.
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21:24:06 <pikhq> Apple made an IBM-compatible Mac?
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21:24:15 <pikhq> That sounds hacktastic.
21:25:52 <ehird> pikhq: I think it was just a PC stuck to a Mac.
21:25:59 <ehird> I don't think Jobs was at Apple in 1995.
21:26:18 <ehird> He wasn't there to be an asshole when the PR droids said "let's make a PC-compatible Mac". :-)
21:27:03 <GregorR> OK, Fluxbox is effing up on me.
21:27:13 <pikhq> ehird: Right, he wasn't.
21:27:18 <GregorR> Why is the systray slowly taking over the taskbar area.
21:27:33 <pikhq> Jobs couldn't say "For crissake, *NO*. Or at the very least, DO IT RIGHT."
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21:33:11 <ehird> pikhq: Spit him back out!
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21:44:54 <pikhq> Huh. I could, in fact, use Plan 9 for everything; Plan 9 has an implementation of the Linux syscall interface.
21:45:32 <GregorR> pikhq: That's like saying you could use an operating system that only has a VM application for everything.
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21:45:43 <GregorR> Yes, technically true; but it won't integrate at all.
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21:46:14 <GregorR> So yeah, why don't people use XFCE?
21:46:33 <pikhq> Because it does too much.
21:46:55 <GregorR> Again I say, moving from KDE4 :P
21:47:00 <ehird> it's like gnome except with far too many settings and it's less orthogonal
21:47:05 <ehird> and less aesthetically pleasing
21:47:12 <ehird> pikhq: seriously, there's no point using plan 9 if you don't go all the way
21:47:13 <pikhq> It's Plan 9/Linux.
21:47:19 <ehird> you need a top-to-bottom system to get the benefits
21:47:23 <pikhq> ehird: I'm just going "huh".
21:47:30 <ehird> The authors are Plan 9 newbies.
21:48:23 * pikhq notes that Glendix can run unmodified Plan 9 binaries. WHY ARE THEY DOING THAT.
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21:51:47 <GregorR> KDE4 is like KDE3 minus all the configurability.
21:52:07 <GregorR> Gnome is like some terrifying hybrid of Mac OS X and Windows, minus even their meager configurability.
21:52:17 <GregorR> XFCE is like Gnome plus configurability.
21:52:21 <GregorR> Gregor like configurability
22:16:38 <nooga> pikhq: isn't plan9 quite.... dead?
22:51:27 <ehird> but there's a web interface
22:51:29 <ehird> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/
22:51:35 <ehird> and you can download a nightly live/install CD
22:51:43 <nooga> does it run on supercomputers?
22:51:46 <ehird> It contains source of the kernel, libraries, and commands for all supported architectures.
22:51:54 <ehird> http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/blue_gene/
22:52:28 <ehird> dunno if they've done any real computation on it, but.
22:53:20 <pikhq> nooga: It's designed almost like as if they wanted it to run on clusters.
22:53:28 <ehird> pikhq: they did, originally
22:53:31 <ehird> that's why cpu servers exist
22:53:31 <nooga> does acme support syntax highlighting ?
22:53:36 <pikhq> Oh, right. That's why.
22:53:39 <ehird> and this is by design
22:53:57 <ehird> pikhq: including code.
22:53:58 <ehird> nooga: because it is not *needed*
22:54:03 <nooga> how to edit code under plan9?
22:54:05 <ehird> and what is not needed must be omitted
22:54:06 <pikhq> That's all it does, and it strives to do it simply and well.
22:54:15 <ehird> sam is like ed with a view of the file
22:54:17 <ehird> acme is mouse-based
22:54:27 <nooga> why it's not needed?
22:54:44 <pikhq> ... For the obvious reason that it's not?
22:54:48 <ehird> nooga: don't you have eyes with which to read code? If it's complex enough that you can't differentiate what's happening, the philosophy says
22:54:52 <ehird> then you should simplify it
22:55:03 <nooga> why does plan9 gui has 3 colors, we have terminals that support 16M
22:55:05 <ehird> Similarly, no automatic indentation; it is not needed if you keep your functions short and shallow.
22:55:14 <ehird> nooga: They are simple and soothing.
22:55:19 <ehird> If you want a fireworks show, go find one.
22:55:27 <ehird> (They were specifically selected to be soothing on the eyes.)
22:55:28 <nooga> rather harsh and annoying
22:55:36 <ehird> They're soft colours.
22:55:37 <nooga> aliased text GROSSSSSSSS
22:55:40 <ehird> Also, there's more than 3 colours.
22:55:48 <ehird> nooga: So you don't like Plan 9's GUI.
22:55:56 <ehird> I'd like antialiased text too, but it's not that important.
22:56:10 <pikhq> nooga: Plan 9 is basically taking the UNIX philosophy and applying it everywhere.
22:56:13 <nooga> ehird: and tell me that you run plan9 on your mac
22:56:25 <ehird> nooga: I don't have a need for Plan 9 right now, so I don't have it installed.
22:56:34 <ehird> If I wanted to play with it, I'd install it on a USB stick or something.
22:56:42 <nooga> will you need plan9 in future?
22:56:52 <ehird> Why's that relevant?
22:56:56 <ehird> But I probably won't _need_, no.
22:57:08 <nooga> ehird: nooga: because it is not *needed*
22:57:26 <ehird> pikhq: nooga has just reached a new height of idiocy.
22:57:52 <ehird> nooga: I was expressing the minimalist ideology.
22:57:59 <ehird> if you don't use plan 9 you need to use something else
22:58:03 <pikhq> nooga: You're debating about whether things are needed in a room devoted to pointless programming languages.
22:58:09 <ehird> to get things done reasonably, there's a minimum complexity level
22:58:17 <ehird> plan 9 is pretty much there
22:58:22 <ehird> if you don't use plan 9
22:58:23 <ehird> that's LESS simple
22:58:28 <ehird> because you use something more complex
22:58:45 <ehird> a simpler OS could still be more complex; the plan 9 community is quite large, so that saves you time, simplifying your work
22:58:49 <nooga> but potentially you can build complex structures using really basic ones
22:59:01 <ehird> Yes; you could also build a cathedral out of lego.
22:59:09 <ehird> If you really have that much time to waste.
22:59:15 <pikhq> nooga: Yes; welcome to UNIX and functional programming.
22:59:46 <nooga> is there a ghc compiled for plan9 ?
22:59:56 <ehird> nooga: Yes, and if you use it you miss the point.
23:00:22 <ehird> <nooga> Why isn't Plan 9 exactly like OS X?
23:00:34 <nooga> that's not my poin
23:00:45 <ehird> what is your point?
23:01:11 <nooga> *for what one should use plan9*
23:01:26 <ehird> nooga: what should you use Linux for?
23:01:30 <ehird> <nooga> Um... well... things...
23:01:39 <ehird> <nooga> You know, like... tasks... programs...
23:01:46 <ehird> <nooga> Operating on, uhh, data, it's good at that.
23:02:00 <ehird> <nooga> And... executing... multiple things? Like, at once.
23:02:03 <ehird> <nooga> Linux is good at that.
23:02:10 <nooga> using complex systems built using less complex systems built using .... built using quite basic elements
23:02:47 <ehird> pikhq: Fun project: Build a Beowulf cluster using machines and parts strictly older than 1997.
23:02:58 <pikhq> ehird: Trivial, but fun.
23:02:58 <ehird> Make it competitive with modern few-node servers.
23:03:03 <ehird> pikhq: See next line.
23:03:07 <nooga> ehird: been done by my roommate
23:03:26 <pikhq> Except for exceptionally data-parallel tasks.
23:03:30 <GregorR> We as computer scientists are not good enough at parallelization for that to be feasible.
23:03:38 <ehird> pikhq: uhh, that's what you do on beowulf clusters
23:03:51 <ehird> you don't buy a beowulf cluster to run printf("Hello, "); printf("world!
23:03:59 <pikhq> Just a matter of getting sufficient systems.
23:04:17 <ehird> Yes, but without spending more than said server.
23:04:18 <pikhq> ... And a power plant; that's a lot of fekking systems.
23:04:21 <nooga> i invented and implemented little parallel computing system ... but then i discovered that nazi BOINC which is almost exactly the same
23:04:35 <ehird> You have to be crafty, use really good software, get really expensive workstations for them, and find someone with a huge inventory of 'em.
23:04:57 <pikhq> Since you said "older than '97", can do. Old PCs can be had on the cheap.
23:05:14 <pikhq> The switches necessary may be harder to come by.
23:05:25 <pikhq> Might just use some old PCs with old network cards for that.
23:05:49 <pikhq> I doubt that actaully running the thing would be any cheaper, though.
23:05:59 <pikhq> That's a lot of systems, and a lot of freaking power.
23:06:01 <nooga> one guy from my university tried to run parallel programs on a single board filled with ARMs and memory controllers
23:06:18 <ehird> what did a powerful 1996 workstation suck up
23:06:36 <nooga> ehird: do you pay your bills?
23:06:44 <pikhq> Sure, and you'll need several of them to compete with a modern server.
23:06:53 <ehird> nooga: I'm 13, take a guess; but that's irrelevant, of course this isn't practical.
23:06:53 <nooga> oh right, you're 13
23:06:57 <ehird> It's called relatively practical.
23:07:03 <pikhq> Which probably uses 400W or some such.
23:07:16 <ehird> pikhq: Nah. A decent gaming machine uses 400W.
23:07:19 <pikhq> But anyways, sure, you could do it.
23:07:22 <ehird> (Core i7, Radeon 4850)
23:07:31 <nooga> dry your hair and burn toasts 24h
23:07:40 <nooga> and face your parents
23:07:41 <ehird> pikhq: A dual-processor server, ehh, 300 watts.
23:07:46 <ehird> But that's more powerful
23:07:52 <ehird> <nooga> HURR IM STEREOTYPE MAN
23:08:04 <ehird> nooga: You're Polish therefore you're unproductive, don't know English and are also stupid.
23:08:09 <ehird> Wait, those might be true. OHH SNAP
23:08:11 <nooga> HURR IM MONOTYPE MAN
23:08:24 <ehird> pikhq: Anyway, 100 x powerful 1996 workstation = 30,000 watts.
23:08:29 <ehird> Admittedly, not exactly cheap.
23:08:36 <ehird> But a lot of beowulf clusters prolly use about that much.
23:10:23 <nooga> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=polak&defid=145877
23:10:48 <nooga> (probably written by polak)
23:12:06 <ehird> SOME POINTS THAT SHOW HOW GREAT IT IS TO BE POLISH ||
23:12:13 <ehird> ↑ Being a Catholic is so awesome.
23:14:12 <nooga> I AM NOT!@?@>@{@#!P?!"!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
23:14:24 <ehird> "No matter what they try, they become good at it ( perfectionists)"
23:14:33 <ehird> Even if you can't see them wearing a cross, they are wearing it in their heart
23:14:38 <ehird> AND THEY'RE NAILED TO IT
23:14:51 <ehird> nooga: You, learning English, become good at it perfectionist no :P
23:15:05 <ehird> nooga: half way down the list
23:15:06 <ehird> "They aren't show-offs."
23:15:14 <ehird> actually one of the last ones
23:18:07 <ehird> If you call a Polak an idiot - this is the most stupid thing you can say.
23:18:10 <ehird> nooga: you're an idiot
23:18:20 <ehird> nooga: you've called yourself an idiot
23:18:23 <ehird> which is the most stupid thing you can do
23:18:52 <nooga> printed and nailed to the wall upon my desk: "ehird: I'm an idiot now."
23:19:21 <ehird> nooga: don't stop printin'!
23:19:55 <nooga> the printer started to print itself
23:20:11 <evenant> smoeone's working on that actually
23:20:11 <ehird> RepRap is obsolete.
23:20:42 <nooga> i should divide by 0 now
23:20:49 <evenant> why is reprap obsolete btw?
23:20:56 <nooga> maybe it will stop it
23:21:13 <ehird> evenant: Because nooga's printer printed itself.
23:21:16 <pikhq> evenant: Printer printing itself!
23:21:23 <ehird> It can self-replicate totally; RepRap cannot yet.
23:21:32 <nooga> i can youtube that
23:21:42 <ehird> nooga: quick, get the new one to print another
23:21:48 <nooga> oh dear, out of batteries for my camera that films itself
23:22:03 <pikhq> While the old one's printing itself.
23:22:38 <evenant> i can't tell if this is a joke or not
23:23:11 <ehird> nooga: just print some new batteries
23:23:28 <ehird> evenant: "My body's wasted, but my mind is on fire" doesn't it usually go the other way around
23:24:45 <nooga> i'm Polish, i don't know what is joke, right? i drink vodka, steal cars and kill my time as a construction worker in germany
23:24:47 <evenant> oh right, it's in my whois still
23:25:02 <ehird> the google gives nothing
23:25:05 <ehird> maybe you miswordified it
23:25:07 <evenant> i thought it was a quote for some reason
23:27:57 <evenant> scuse me it's brain not mind wat
23:28:11 <evenant> http://www.metal-archives.com/viewlyrics.php?id=159672
23:28:14 <evenant> i will change that immediately!
23:28:35 <ehird> so not only is your body wasted
23:28:38 <ehird> your mind organ is on fire
23:28:42 <ehird> isn't that a bit redundant
23:29:20 <evenant> the song doesn't have to make sense for me to enjoy it
23:31:26 <nooga> DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARN!
23:31:37 <nooga> ]obj-c does not support operator overloading
23:33:59 <ehird> because there are no operators on objects.
23:34:09 <ehird> there's also the stupid obj.accessor, but that's just sugar.
23:34:12 <ehird> a + b is just C a + b
23:34:19 <ehird> it doesn't make sense to want an overload
23:34:39 <nooga> i still don't think in terms of messages
23:34:49 <ehird> are you using accessors?
23:34:57 <ehird> i'd stay off them until you're thinking in messages
23:34:59 <ehird> accessor syntax is stoopid
23:35:16 <ehird> an object is just a pointer that has some fun bracket magic
23:35:21 <ehird> the actual value is opaque and useless
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23:40:35 <pikhq> nooga: Unless it's written with Objective-C specific syntax, then it is just like C.
23:41:30 <ehird> There aren't enough public FTP servers to browse through.
23:42:33 <ehird> I can set one up here.
23:43:29 <ehird> System Preferences → Sharing → File Sharing → Tick → Options → Enable "Share files and folders using FTP"
23:43:37 <ehird> (Other options are Apple's AFP and SMB. Yes, that Samba. Built in.)
23:43:44 <ehird> Gotta love integration.
23:44:32 <ehird> And voila! I am connected to my home folder on localhost via FTP.
23:44:45 <ehird> It's, uh, rather fast? :P
23:48:52 <ehird> There's a tiling WM for OS X Aqua.
23:48:55 <ehird> http://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/sizeup/
23:50:54 <ehird> <Screen Sharing> You can not share your own computer.
23:54:16 <ehird> http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3522 apollo 11 code
23:54:40 <ehird> TCBANKCALL# TEMPORARY, I HOPE HOPE HOPE
23:54:42 <ehird> CADRSTOPRATE# TEMPORARY, I HOPE HOPE HOPE
23:54:54 <ehird> It's an architecture similar to the original Lisp implementation's!
23:55:11 <ehird> That is, similar to the one that the original Lisp was implemented on.
23:58:46 <ehird> GAINBRAK,1 # NUMERO MYSTERIOSO
23:59:50 <ehird> pikhq: are you sure it was just 2KB of program memory?
23:59:53 <ehird> just the guidance system looks longer
23:59:56 <ehird> http://code.google.com/p/virtualagc/source/browse/trunk/Luminary099/LUNAR_LANDING_GUIDANCE_EQUATIONS.s?r=258#666