00:00:09 <ehird> i'm pretty sure i know like a furry or two
00:02:05 <ehird> THIS DOTH PISS ME OFF
00:02:13 <ehird> I just want to get rid of that damn dock >_<
00:02:39 <oerjan> don't be a dick, duck the dock
00:03:55 * ehird resorts to google searches like "i hate the dock" and "obliterate dock"
00:05:39 <ehird> has been for N time
00:05:50 <ehird> GregorR-L: it's mostly just "HURR REMOVE THE REFLECTIVE DOCK"
00:05:54 <ehird> whereas i want the whole thing gone
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00:06:40 <ehird> `translateto hu HUR HUR HUR
00:06:48 <ehird> `translatefromto en hu HUR HUR HUR
00:07:06 <ehird> `translatefromto hu en HOW HOW HOW
00:08:04 <oerjan> i don't think W is used much in hungarian
00:08:26 <oerjan> `translatefromto hu en HOGY HOGY HOGY
00:09:10 <oerjan> `translatefromto hu en HOGY HOGY HOGY HOGY
00:09:13 <ehird> `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy, hogy, hogy hogy hogy hogy; hogy! Hogy, hogy. Hogy, hogy hogy.
00:09:15 <HackEgo> How to to to to to that, that! How to. How, how.
00:11:22 <ehird> So if you want to ask someone "how do I do that?" brokenly, you can say "Hogy hogy hogy?".
00:11:40 <oerjan> the "that" is in the conjunction sense, iirc.
00:13:21 <ehird> oerjan: "How do I do hard things?" → "Hogy hogy hogy [which is hard]".
00:13:23 <oerjan> i didn't know about the "to" sense
00:13:50 <oerjan> `translatefromto en hu How do I do hard things?
00:13:52 <HackEgo> How do I do kemény dolgokat?
00:13:55 <ehird> I like how "Hogy, hogy hogy" becomes "How, how".
00:14:02 <ehird> I'MA JUST IGNORE THIS ONE RIGHT HEERE
00:14:21 <ehird> `translatefromto en hu that which is hard
00:14:26 <oerjan> `translatefromto en hu How can I do hard things?
00:14:28 <HackEgo> How can I do kemény dolgokat?
00:14:29 <ehird> `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemény
00:14:36 <ehird> `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny
00:15:18 <GregorR-L> `addquote <ehird> `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny <HackEgo> How hard is that
00:15:26 <HackEgo> 57|<ehird> `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny <HackEgo> How hard is that
00:15:59 <ehird> laughing while drink is in your mouth is hard
00:16:14 <ehird> well doesn't have to be drinkable
00:16:16 <ehird> could be any liquid
00:16:29 <pikhq> So, Hungarian is hard to translate. Got it.
00:17:13 <oerjan> `translatefromto en hu How is babby formed?
00:18:50 <ehird> `translate fromto en hu How hard is that
00:18:52 <HackEgo> fromto en hu How hard is that
00:18:52 <ehird> `translatefromto en hu How hard is that
00:19:16 <ehird> What does "hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny" mean?
00:19:22 <oerjan> "az" actually means that, btw
00:19:50 <pikhq> `translatefromto en hu Hogy az hogy
00:19:58 <pikhq> `translatefromto hu en Hogy az hogy
00:20:10 <oerjan> well ami kemeny you already translated. ami is a relative pronoun btw.
00:20:25 <ehird> `translatefromto hu en Hogy ami hogy kemeny hogy hogy
00:20:28 <Azstal> well, "hogyhogy" is an expression of surprise, unrelated to hogy
00:20:37 <oerjan> `translatefromto hu en Hogy az
00:20:42 <ehird> that just makes it even better
00:21:08 <ehird> Azstal: so is there anything hogy DOESN'T mean in hungarian? :D
00:21:44 <oerjan> az also is the definite article in front of vowels
00:22:50 <pikhq> ehird: Supercalifragalisticexpialidocious.
00:24:43 <ehird> beh, someone fix this
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00:26:21 <Azstal> `translatefromto hu en Hogy-hogy, hogy érted, hogy "Hogyan"?
00:26:23 <HackEgo> How to ĂŠrted "how"?
00:27:07 <pikhq> Non-unicode must DIE.
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00:29:13 <ehird> (the REAL fucking problem is usually wanting to do something practical)
00:29:19 <pikhq> ehird: Thou art a dumbass.
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00:29:33 <oerjan> ehird: now _that_ is a topic i simply refuse to believe for this channel
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00:29:49 <ehird> oerjan: as I said, (the REAL fucking problem is usually wanting to do something practical)
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00:31:40 <oerjan> it's not lexically scoped
00:32:11 <pikhq> GregorR-L: Yeþ, I know.
00:33:00 <pikhq> I've alſo got a bad caſe of þe ſ-eþ.
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01:15:02 <ehird> coppro: you need to uninstall CUPS, quick!
01:15:20 <pikhq> So, I feel like learning Parsec. Let's see about writing, oh, an IRC parser.
01:15:27 <ehird> coppro: Apple make it!!
01:15:32 <ehird> pikhq: barely anything to lawn
01:16:05 <pikhq> Probably won't take me long to write this parser.
01:16:51 <pikhq> Heck, might not be hard to make it a full client or some such.
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01:31:56 <pikhq> Okay, so I think I adore Parsec.
01:36:09 <coppro> compiling a big project with libstdc++'s pedantic mode
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01:36:44 <coppro> hmm... does there exist a langage where operator precedence is determined by whitespace?
01:37:00 <ehird> merd, for instance
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01:51:07 <GregorR-L> There is even at least one pseudo-real language, Fortress.
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02:56:19 <immibis> Has anyone had the following error compiling the Linux kernel, and does anyone know how to fix it? "/(path)/linux-2.6.30.4/usr/Makefile:50: *** target pattern contains no '%'. Stop."
02:56:54 <GregorR-L> That's bizarre ... make --version?
03:07:58 <immibis> The line is "$(deps_initramfs):" (which seems rather pointless)
03:08:25 <immibis> commenting out that line causes the same error on "$(deps_initramfs): klibcdirs" (which also seems pointless as it could be combined with the previous line)
03:09:33 <immibis> is there a way i can have make output the value of deps_initramfs?
03:10:00 <immibis> which also does not seem to be set anywhere (???)
03:10:41 <immibis> the path does not contain : (since googling told me that would cause the problem)
03:14:53 <GregorR-L> (A makefile which won't load because it has above mentioned weird error)
03:21:06 <coppro> it will execute arbitrary commands; echo seems like a perfect candidate
03:21:13 <GregorR-L> Because ... the makefile won't load? So it wouldn't actually run the echo line, no matter where you put it?
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04:57:21 <coppro> interesting... fair dealing, while less braod in Canada, is considered a right, not a defense
04:58:24 <pikhq> In the US, the precedent is that fair use is the only reason copyright law is constitutional.
04:59:06 <coppro> yes, but in the US it's considered a defense, not a right, so you cannot, for instance, sue for restriction of fair use
04:59:32 <coppro> whereas apparently in Canada it is actually a right, so in theory you could sue for restriction of it
04:59:46 <coppro> though I'd have to read the SCC judgment
05:00:00 <pikhq> Unfortunately, the only way to do that would be massive copyright reform -- and while we're at it, we may as well fix all the rest.
05:00:14 <pikhq> Which would make that much less needed.
05:03:15 <coppro> ah, it's pretty explicit "The fair dealing exception, like other exceptions in the Copyright Act, is a user’s right."
05:04:26 <coppro> though it doesn't mean you could necessarily sue over it
05:17:06 <mycroftiv> as a practical matter, courts tend to very strongly support the status quo interpretation of laws and the interests of property and rights holders against legal theories (even sensible ones) that would tend to disrupt them.
05:20:02 <coppro> yes, but the text I quoted is directly from an SCC ruling
05:21:48 <mycroftiv> is the idea that you could attack DRM with it?
05:22:25 <coppro> if it was stupidly restrictive
05:22:38 <mycroftiv> find a lawyer who could start a class action suit on behalf of consumers with the tort being that their property right of fair dealing was taken?
05:24:57 <coppro> I'm not saying it's likely
05:25:21 <mycroftiv> im honestly interested, the 'use the system against itself' style reform often has a better chance of success (copyleft in general has worked well for isntance)
05:26:36 <mycroftiv> no, citizen of the world, fighting for information freedom everywhere (*gives the EFF salute*)
05:27:01 <coppro> you know what's funny that I just realized?
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05:27:50 <coppro> suppose you brought this against a record company. In Canada, it's not illegal yet to circumvent protection measures. So they could probably defend themselves by bringing that up. But they're probably too arrogant to do so.
05:28:32 <coppro> although they don't have good standing with the Canadian courts
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05:37:13 <pikhq> GregorR: You remember your odd experiments with Javascript 3D rendering?
05:37:18 <pikhq> http://deanm.github.com/pre3d/monster.html You just got one-upped.
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06:55:31 <mycroftiv> im trying to find my copy of the classic 'information theory and its engineering applications' book, but the entropy of my house is too high for me to uncover the signal
06:57:29 <oerjan> alas, it is well known that decreasing entropy in a system requires applying work to it
06:59:33 <mycroftiv> i have an interesting related theorem i believe
07:00:01 <mycroftiv> again, without work to replenish, the information content of bookshelves decreases, because ONLY THE BOOKS YOU ACTUALLY USE will ever be 'lost' from them
07:00:22 <mycroftiv> all of the books that you never take off the shelf just stay there, but every book you actually take off the shelf has a finite positive chance of loss
07:01:01 <oerjan> just as long as you don't get book worms
07:01:44 <mycroftiv> yes, as always its hard to nail down those boundary conditions precisely
07:02:11 <mycroftiv> completely loss due to fire does indeed have a way of inverting the situation, where only the books checked OUT from the libarary might be preserved
07:02:28 <mycroftiv> if everyone who checked out books from the library of alexandria had stolen them, would we be better off>?
07:03:00 * mycroftiv returns to bookshelf and bookpile rummaging
07:04:03 <oerjan> a very hypatical question
07:07:13 <mycroftiv> true, although given the 'doesnt remove the original' aspect of digital data, as a thought experiment it gives the pro-piracy argument some moral force in terms of 'we are acting to preserve data for future generations, in the large scale, despite our self-interested motives of the moment'
07:11:54 <mycroftiv> sometime last year i spent an entire day retracing my steps of the previous day to find this EXACT book, which i had left sitting on the grass where i had been reading it in a park
07:12:05 <mycroftiv> something about this particularly treasured volume makes it try to escape from me!
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12:34:32 <ehird> [[Actually, all bullshit aside, I do have an idea for an application that will (edit legally) put money in your bank account every time you press a button in Firefox.
12:34:33 <ehird> However, I don't have the skills to write such an application (which would be nothing more than an adaptation of existing open source software), so I'm keeping my mouth shut until I save
12:34:33 <ehird> up a grand or so to rent a coder. Or find a genuine interested party that would be willing to sign an agreement, write the code and split the profits with me - a 30% me /60% you /10% overhead split would be generous, I believe.]]
12:34:33 <ehird> I so hope this idiot tries to sell whatever it is, that'd just be hilarious
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12:44:29 <ehird> "We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?"
12:44:30 <ehird> — Sony CEO on the PS3
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14:06:27 <ehird> "The choice of power cord one makes to transmit AC over the final feet to a component has the potential to be the most influential sonic link in a music system's power chain."
14:06:27 <ehird> — lol, audiophiles
14:08:20 <Pthing> they pretty much admit it's magic
14:11:51 <ehird> anyone who cares about that stuff should just read http://hydrogenaudio.org/ (where they use crazy things like logic and the scientific method) and be done with it
14:11:57 <ehird> i used to, to a degree
14:11:59 <ehird> don't really any more
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14:41:41 <ais523> this is a rather vacuous conversation, isn't it?
14:41:51 <ais523> 8 minutes of nothing but whitespace...
15:27:50 <ehird> In[6]:= Sum[i, {i, 0, n}]
15:27:50 <ehird> Out[6]= 1/2 n (1 + n)
15:27:50 <ehird> In[7]:= Sum[i, {i, 1, n}]
15:27:50 <ehird> Out[7]= 1/2 n (1 + n)
15:28:01 <ehird> God, I'm stupid today.
15:28:07 <ehird> I need to sleep better.
15:28:11 <ehird> I've been the dumb recently.
15:28:31 <ehird> puzzlet: lucky you aren't blind
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19:17:14 <ehird> wtf is with the quiet
19:17:20 <ehird> everyone going to church or something :D
19:17:26 <ais523> I'm busy playing pokemon, zzo38-style
19:18:20 <ehird> ais523: but still text based? :P
19:18:38 <ais523> there's a couple of small graphics in the corner, to make it look more graphical
19:18:41 <ais523> but the text log is the useful bit
19:18:50 <ehird> ais523: what is this, exactly?
19:18:58 <ais523> Shoddy Battle, it's a pokemon simulator
19:19:46 <ehird> ais523: i'd just use an emulator and that thingy that uses a networked computer as a connected second gameboy :-P
19:20:25 <ais523> simulators are better for practice, because you don't have to catch the pokemon first; you can request any pokemon that it's theoretically possible to get, no matter how unlikely
19:21:26 <ehird> ais523: emulators come with hex-editing thingamajic
19:21:30 <ais523> I think that's how NetBattle (presumably the 'pocket monster IRC' that zzo38 used) works
19:21:31 <ehird> admittedly, more of a fuss
19:21:34 <ehird> but more realistic
19:21:35 <ais523> ehird: also more illegal
19:21:48 <ehird> editing some bits in memor yisn't illegal
19:21:52 <ais523> no, but the emulator is
19:21:57 <ehird> ais523: No, it's not.
19:22:01 <ehird> Emulation is not illegal.
19:22:01 <ais523> because it implies you have an illegal copy of pokemon
19:22:03 <coppro> emulators are legal; the game images may not be
19:22:06 <ehird> No it does not, ais523.
19:22:10 <ais523> it's the game image I was talking about
19:22:25 <ehird> (a) you could make a device to read it from a cartridge (b) You *already paid for it/
19:22:36 <ehird> ais523: also, zzo made that himself, like everything
19:22:40 <coppro> depends on copyright law in your country
19:23:08 <ais523> if it turns out zzo38 invented NetBattle, I'll really laugh my head out
19:23:14 <ais523> although, more likely it was a different one
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21:45:02 <ehird> draft-n wifi can transfer an uncompressed 1920x1200 screenshot over tcp/ip in 0.70s
21:45:25 <ehird> add a bit of compression and use a single-purpose protocol and you're pretty close to having a wireless screen
21:46:10 <ehird> compression, you could easily get like 0.3s
21:46:23 <ehird> single purpose, well the maximum theoretical throughput is like >400mbit
21:46:28 <ehird> so if we say 400mbit
21:47:54 <ehird> and i'm sure there's faster protocols than wireless.n
21:48:09 <ehird> s/wireless\.n/draft-n wifi/
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22:05:54 <fizzie> Well, that DisplayLink thing does 1920x1200 over USB 2; and WirelessUSB/UWB say they can provide the equivalent 480 Mbit/s for 3 meters.
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22:44:04 <ehird> In 2008, DisplayLink announced the first Wireless USB products powered by their technology. To date they have announced products or partnerships with Wireless USB technology vendors Alereon[8], Realtek[9], and WiQuest[10].
22:44:29 <ehird> In May 2009, DisplayLink launched its second semiconductor product family, the DL-125, DL-165, and DL-195 USB 2.0 graphics devices. This DL-1x5 family brings improved performance, an increase in maximum resolution to 2048x1152, and the integration of a DVI transmitter and video DAC. The first products to ship with the new DL-1x5 chips were the Samsung Lapfit LD190G and LD220G monitors.[12]
22:45:00 * oerjan doesn't understand enough to know why that is a lol
22:45:04 <ehird> fizzie: but can it handle 60fps/sec always?
22:45:15 <ehird> oerjan: it's exactly what fizzie's just said, except already thought of
22:45:31 <ehird> An upcoming 1.1 specification will increase speed to 1 Gbit/s and working frequencies up to 6 GHz.
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22:52:46 <fizzie> They don't much talk about framerates, but since some form of compression is involved, it might have a bit unstable worst-case behaviour.
22:53:39 <fizzie> I mean, their marketing literature is the typical "DisplayLink DL2+ adaptive compression scheme ensures a highly interactive, ultra low latency user experience that is nearly indistinguishable from a traditional monitor connection", but the terms "ultra low" and "nearly" aren't defined anywhere.
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22:57:13 <fizzie> Single-link DVI (which is enough for 1920x1200 at 60 Hz) data-carrying bandwidth is 3.96 Gbit/s, apparently, so that's what it takes to push an unmodified DVI signal through. (165 MHz clock, one pixel/clock, 24 bits per pixel.)
22:57:34 <ehird> that's a lot of gbits.
22:57:55 <fizzie> USB 3 will do 4.8 Gbit/s, they say.
22:58:02 <ehird> fizzie: but ehh how much is that just blargh metadata
22:58:38 <fizzie> i sleep now that i slashed it up! so everybody could get down wit this slang teenagers use now. nice talk. then again, reality is usually more clumsy than what?
22:59:18 <ehird> fizzie: shut up, fungot
22:59:18 <fungot> ehird: very little requires lap hackery.) in a function name and arguments as opposed to fnord
22:59:24 <ehird> fungot: i said shut up
22:59:25 <fungot> ehird: " i went and implemented them.)) be considered a pattern comprising a subset of l(lbas)), not y.
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22:59:50 <fizzie> Lap-hackery sounds a bit indecent. Sort of a mixture of a lap-dance and hacking. (Okay, really gone now.)
23:00:35 <ehird> fizzie: oh, "i sleep now"
23:00:44 <ehird> fizzie: you should make it a /quit script
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23:09:38 <Gracenotes> god.. sometimes reading stackoverflow, it seems the stupid is seeping into my head. make it stop ;_;
23:12:15 <oerjan> i believe there is a button on your computer that will make it stop. it may have symbol something like a circle interrupted with a crossing bar at the top.
23:13:23 <Gracenotes> hm, I should try that sometime. but I think I've already solved it by clicking on an orange square with a white x through it.
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23:17:18 <ehird> Gracenotes: why would you ever read stackoverflow?
23:18:00 <Gracenotes> boredom. getting consensus of general developer community. lolling.
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23:19:30 <ehird> Gracenotes: stack overflow is the retarded cousin of the "general developer community"
23:19:33 <oerjan> so for the second, you basically find herding cats too unchallenging?
23:20:38 <Gracenotes> ehird: it is my unfounded opinion that it is actually a pretty accurate cross-section
23:20:45 <ehird> your opinion sucks
23:23:57 <Gracenotes> ehird: so anyway, you're saying most developers are smarter than those on SO?
23:25:00 <ehird> no, I'm just saying that SO sucks :P
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23:29:45 <oerjan> i have just deduced the consensus of all life forms. it appears to be "breed furiously by cell division"
23:31:13 <oerjan> there were some giant forms suggesting something called "sex", but they were such a tiny minority they could just be ignored.
23:31:53 <Slereah_> We can nuke everything away if we want to
23:32:37 <oerjan> i am doubtful of that.
23:32:52 <oerjan> there are apparently life forms deep in the earth's crust
23:36:35 <ehird> we could probably nuke them too
23:40:00 <Gracenotes> okay... Ubuntu update time.. this will be a painful 2 days... *prepares to take it like a man*
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23:41:17 <pikhq> oerjan: Not to mention the bottom of the ocean.
23:41:32 <ehird> Gracenotes: Two days?
23:41:46 <ehird> This is a new variant of Ubuntu of which I was not previously aware.
23:41:57 <ehird> Specifically, where updating to the next release takes two days, not an hour.
23:42:11 <pikhq> I haven't really ever read Stackoverflow.
23:42:19 <Gracenotes> ehird: probably. I'm doing two OS version updates, plus the hundreds of libraries I've needed to update for some time, and all over wireless.
23:42:26 <ehird> so, basically Gracenotes
23:42:30 <pikhq> I shall read it, and soon after become homicidal.
23:42:31 <ehird> you disabled the automatic update daemon
23:42:43 <ehird> and neglected to upgrade for a major release
23:42:48 <ehird> question, Gracenotes
23:42:52 <ehird> why are you stupid?
23:42:58 <Gracenotes> stfu. I stuck with 8.04 because it was convenient, and stable.
23:43:08 <ehird> It sure is looking convenient now. 2 days, cool cool.
23:43:18 <ehird> Similarly, I'm using Windows 3.11.
23:43:25 <ehird> After all, it has an IRC client.
23:43:29 <Gracenotes> but now there is an app-need-threshold
23:43:37 <pikhq> You are apparently used to Windows. Which updates once every decade.
23:43:51 <Gracenotes> ehird: lots of people use 8.04. I AM PROUD TO BE ONE OF THEM
23:44:00 <ehird> I AM PROUD TO HAVER UPPERCASE LETTERS
23:44:05 <pikhq> "Avoid recursion".
23:44:27 <ehird> pikhq: Recursion -is- low level, but that's probably not what they meant.
23:44:30 <ehird> Gracenotes: Anyway, doesn't excuse ignoring the "HEY, YOU, UPDATE THESE PACKAGES" icon.
23:44:38 <ehird> That takes 5 minutes, tops. Click, click, ignore.
23:44:41 <Gracenotes> ehird: eh? I update packages regularly.
23:44:47 <ehird> "plus the hundreds of libraries I've needed to update for some time"
23:44:56 <Gracenotes> yes, because they are not available with this OS
23:45:09 <pikhq> ehird: For a recursive-decent parser in a C-oid language.
23:45:11 <ehird> I will never understand people who don't upgrade regularly.
23:45:26 <Gracenotes> I do fucking update my libraries regularly, but some of the latest versions are not available for 8.04
23:45:30 <pikhq> Gracenotes, why are you dumb?
23:45:34 <ehird> pikhq: maybe if you're parsing a 2 gig file consisting ((((…()…))))
23:45:41 <ehird> Gracenotes: I meant the OS, too.
23:45:51 <pikhq> Embrace the package manager.
23:45:57 <ehird> It's really silly to disregard new OS updates because, on the face of it, you don't need anything in them.
23:46:06 <Gracenotes> what are you all talking about. I use the update manager regularly.
23:46:16 <ehird> Then what are you doing?
23:46:20 <ehird> Upgrading your faeries?
23:46:50 <pikhq> aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade -- is that hard to get?
23:47:04 <ehird> Use the upgrade manager in Ubuntu.
23:47:22 <ehird> Gracenotes: Stop breaking things.
23:47:26 <pikhq> ehird: For upgrading major versions, sure.
23:47:28 <ehird> You shouldn't do bad things.
23:47:30 <ehird> pikhq: That's what he's doing.
23:47:34 <Gracenotes> the aptitude update does not include the OS.
23:47:54 <ehird> True. "aptitude update" (a) is using aptitude, which is silly and (b) updates the list of packages.
23:47:58 <ehird> It doesn't upgrade anything.
23:48:10 <ehird> (I'm a bastard because I care, I swear.)
23:48:15 <Gracenotes> you are aware that all Ubuntu versions use different repositories? Hence package upgrading is implied in OS upgrade?
23:48:42 <ehird> What you're saying is completely true and utterly irrelevant to anything I'm saying.
23:49:03 <pikhq> Gracenotes: Yes, but that's beside the point. UPGRADE AT MAJOR VERSIONS.
23:49:19 <ehird> We're such angry defenders of the One True Way of computing.
23:49:21 <ehird> We need a team name.
23:49:28 <ehird> Like… the GOOD COMPUTERIZORS.
23:49:58 <Gracenotes> it was new when it came out. it's called complacency, and IT IS OKAY! *makes peace sign*
23:50:00 <pikhq> (which in Linux-land is about on par with trying to upgrade a system from DOS 6.0 to Vista)
23:50:20 <ehird> It was released in April.
23:50:23 <pikhq> ehird: I exaggerate.
23:50:25 <ehird> Your years are… weird :P
23:50:34 <ehird> pikhq: It's not even been a year since the release he's running :P
23:50:50 <pikhq> ehird: Wait, Ubuntu does majors more than twice a year?
23:50:52 <ehird> But srsly guys, update. There's a reason software is changed.
23:50:56 <ehird> pikhq: Six-month cycle.
23:51:08 <pikhq> And he said he's two majors behind...
23:51:13 <ehird> But he also said 8.10.
23:51:20 <ehird> pikhq: he may be updating to the Karmic beta
23:51:33 <ehird> Which is rather silly.
23:51:33 <Gracenotes> 8.04 was released April 2008, which I'm using
23:51:38 <ehird> Gracenotes: oh god.
23:51:39 <pikhq> And didn't he say 8.04, not 8.10?
23:51:49 <ehird> Dayum Gracenotes, you bitch dumb.
23:52:04 <ehird> (bitch dumb, n. Ghettorifically dumb.)
23:52:08 <Gracenotes> 8.10 was released October 2008, which I was busy studying and doing homework and generally being too busy to update
23:52:17 <pikhq> Gracenotes: You are upgrading less often than Debian does stable releases.
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23:52:24 <ehird> You do realise upgrading to Ubuntu takes one click and it does it in the background, right?
23:52:28 <ehird> Then you just reboot in an hour?
23:52:43 <ehird> That's some epic studying/homework/business that prevents you doing it.
23:52:46 <Gracenotes> honestly I have somewhat of a sound-breaking phobia
23:52:56 <ehird> If it breaks your sound u did it rong.
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23:53:05 <Gracenotes> once I held off a kernel upgrade for a month because I was afraid of sound-breaking
23:53:13 <Gracenotes> that's how bitch dumb I am! and proud of it!
23:53:17 <ehird> You need a therapist. :P
23:54:08 <pikhq> ehird: He does have a point, though: Ubuntu has done fucking weird things with their sound in the past year or so.
23:54:12 <ehird> You know, I hate sound systems. They're so analogue.
23:54:18 <ehird> Why can't we have digital speakers? ;_;
23:54:28 <Gracenotes> no, ALSA... I must come back to it, like an abused housewife
23:54:29 <pikhq> They switched to PulseAudio... And they used a broken build of it.
23:54:38 <ehird> pikhq: oh ubuntu have a ton of fuckups
23:55:21 <Gracenotes> maybe in two months I'll get back to you
23:55:47 <ehird> Gracenotes: I suggest you try Arch, so that it can sneak all its upgrades in as innocuous standard package upgrade fare.
23:55:58 <ehird> It's For Your Own Good(TM).
23:57:24 <ehird> Gracenotes: I'm a computherapist.
23:57:36 <ehird> I prescribe the solution that will ease your ailments.
23:57:49 <pikhq> Gracenotes, you have no right to talk. A year in Linux of no updates is like a decade in Windows-land.
23:57:54 <Gracenotes> my software sources preferences indicate that I only upgrade to long term support releases
23:57:58 <pikhq> Shit changes fast.
23:58:06 <ehird> (Sometimes it's placebo; I once rebranded Ubuntu as Gobuntu — without modification — to appease a freetard who longed for integration and hardware support.)
23:58:12 <ehird> ((Oh wait, that actually happened. :P))
23:58:59 <Gracenotes> "New distribution release '8.10' is available." See?? Ubuntu says it's new!