00:00:28 <oklopol> well. some palindromers actually use *initials*, so i guess a htu or two might do.
00:00:44 <GregorR-L> meanburrito920: But 'lane' isn't even in here!
00:01:43 <meanburrito920> oh wait, so is this basically about everyone getting together and writing brainfuck?
00:01:54 <pikhq> meanburrito920: Not just Brainfuck.
00:02:02 <ehird> well some of us are esolang snobs
00:02:04 <pikhq> And only nominally.
00:02:04 <ehird> and brainfuck is kinda old.
00:02:16 <ehird> meanburrito920: but mostly we talk about everything because offtopicness is a virtu
00:02:25 <nooga> MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH GregorR-L
00:02:28 <pikhq> Really, we're guys with a fondness of esolangs that talk about almost everything but esolangs. :P
00:02:51 <ehird> Hey, we've had like two girls!
00:03:05 <ehird> Sukoshi, that weed-smoker mathematician person recently who was here for, like, minutes
00:03:07 <oklopol> except i guess one of them was me
00:03:16 <ehird> oklopol: So you admit it!
00:03:29 <oklopol> it's your word against mine
00:03:40 <pikhq> oklopol: What, you were once a pre-op or some such?
00:04:11 <ehird> oklopol: no I always said it was you
00:04:15 <ehird> and you just admitted it was you :P
00:04:17 <ehird> pikhq: "hotidlerchick"
00:04:32 <oklopol> i've admitted it tons of times, then unadmitted it again
00:04:35 <pikhq> oklopol: ... That you *know* of?
00:04:45 <ehird> pikhq: oklopol can't even remember if he's ever had drugs in his life.
00:05:03 <pikhq> Clearly oklopol lives in a land of memory modification devices.
00:05:03 <oklopol> pikhq: i have no idea how i was her.
00:05:17 <nooga> i had, some of them are quite cool
00:05:29 <oklopol> actually i have a pretty good memory
00:05:31 <pikhq> nooga: I've had... Caffeine, alcohol.
00:05:38 <pikhq> Aren't I less-than-creative.
00:05:48 <oklopol> i don't count caffeine and alcohol as drugs
00:06:05 <ehird> why not alcohol, iirc weed is less dangerous than alcohol
00:06:07 <pikhq> oklopol: What *do* you count as drugs?
00:06:10 <oklopol> reason simply being that they usually aren't called that. i have had both
00:06:21 <pikhq> ... They generally are, actually.
00:06:27 <oklopol> pikhq: anything that gives you a high, except alcohol
00:06:36 <ehird> oklopol: so... everything?
00:06:40 <pikhq> oklopol: That is a crap definition.
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00:07:13 <pikhq> We're programmers and mathematicians. What do you expect, anti-pedantry?
00:07:14 <oklopol> pikhq: yes. including alcohol would be better. but it's usually not included.
00:07:15 <ehird> IME people on weed are fun to talk to
00:07:21 <ehird> but people on alcohol are mostly fools
00:07:48 <oklopol> pikhq: pedantry about things you can be more creatively pedantic about than just spout the same fucking bullshit year after year
00:08:06 <nooga> IMHO thc is nice, but i don't do it much, acid is awful, amphetamine is like coffee^200, huh... alcohol is stupid, nicotine is even worse
00:08:15 <oklopol> not referring to you in particular, i just know exactly what's to pedantize about this drug definition thing.
00:08:23 <pikhq> ehird: People with a dosage of alcohol that actually... Does anything? Yeah, that's just painful.
00:08:39 <pikhq> oklopol: So, more-or-less saying "That's old and tired. Could we move on?"?
00:08:42 <oklopol> ehird: i will count water as a drug in situations where someone manages to get a high off of it.
00:08:48 <ehird> alcohol always intoxicates but yeah a beer or two doesn't affect most people
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00:09:01 <pikhq> ehird: You know what I meant. ;)
00:09:04 <oklopol> pikhq: something like that.
00:09:12 <ehird> i don't even see a point to drinking alcoholic drinks if you're not trying to get drunk tbh
00:09:20 <ehird> well i guess some people might think they like the taste
00:09:42 <oklopol> that basically means i like bad tastes
00:09:45 <pikhq> Some people actually do enjoy the taste.
00:09:49 <nooga> ehird: have you tried at least once?
00:09:58 <ehird> pikhq: i think there's an element of cultural conditioning tbh
00:09:59 <oklopol> i would love alcoholfree vodka
00:10:07 <ehird> good things happen around alcohol → alcohol is good
00:10:11 <ehird> → alcohol tastes good
00:10:23 <nooga> good (expensive) vodka has no taste and smell
00:10:35 <ehird> expensive water that makes you stupid
00:10:36 <oklopol> well i'm talking about the crappy ones that taste like death
00:10:38 <pikhq> ehird: There's an element of cultural conditioning in most aesthetic preferences.
00:10:38 <ehird> and kills your cognitive functions
00:10:39 <nooga> vodka with taste is awful
00:10:50 <ehird> pikhq: true. alcoholic drinks mostly taste like shit though :P
00:10:56 <pikhq> (am I a nerd for calling "flavor" an aesthetic preference?)
00:11:05 <pikhq> ehird: What have you tried?
00:11:12 <nooga> ehird: wait untill your gf will break up with you
00:11:14 <ehird> not much, i don't even recall much
00:11:21 <ehird> don't have any inclination
00:11:28 <nooga> oh, excuse me, i doubt you'll ever find oen
00:11:39 <oklopol> that was one helluva zinger
00:11:55 <ehird> nooga: Are you really such a pathetic person that the only way you can solve emotional problems is by killing your higher brain functions?
00:12:11 <nooga> sometimes it's necessary
00:12:19 <oklopol> girls are a lot easier to pick up while sober
00:12:25 <pikhq> And I thought I was pathetic.
00:12:25 <ehird> That's a convincing argument nooga.
00:12:27 <oklopol> it's getting them drunk that matters
00:12:42 <ehird> <nooga> You need to get shitfaced when your gf breaks up with you <ehird> Pathetic <nooga> You have to do it sometimes!!
00:13:14 <oklopol> anyway i'll go do some sleeping now, you stop picking on nooga, mean mean boys
00:14:14 <pikhq> He *really* needs to stop picking on himself. It's just pathetic.
00:14:25 <ehird> nooga: so what's your logic for me never getting a girlfriend, i'm curious
00:14:34 <ehird> i can think of several hilariously stupid possible answers
00:14:50 <ehird> and uncountably infinitely many unstupid ones, but I wouldn't expect you to hit one :P
00:14:52 <nooga> i'd pick one of that answers
00:17:36 <pikhq> ehird: You are to die in half an hour.
00:18:24 <pikhq> ehird: I refuse to specify in which reference frame that amount of time is accurate.
00:18:35 <Asztal> how did you find my death note :(
00:18:36 <pikhq> It is unlikely that it is yours.
00:18:39 <ehird> pikhq: and, uh, what prompted this
00:18:52 <pikhq> ehird: Logic for you never getting a girlfriend.
00:19:21 <pikhq> Asztal: Just borrowing it; I've got a few world leaders to deal with.
00:20:18 <ehird> knowing my luck i'll end up betting tons of money that i'll have a girlfriend one day to someone and then realise i'm gay straight after
00:20:28 <ehird> ("gay straight" ← unintentional)
00:21:11 <oklopol> then just get a gf for the money
00:22:01 <oklopol> or does it need to be real love like in the movie
00:29:13 <Sgeo> ***Using Yahoo Mail? If this message appears empty, try forwarding it to a non-Yahoo mail account. Your answer is there..we promise!***
00:29:18 <Sgeo> What can cause that?
00:34:37 <ehird> GregorR-L: practicing? :D
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00:37:29 <GregorR-L> No, I was just about to turn left ->
00:45:51 <Sgeo> meanburrito920, it wasn't spam
00:46:14 <Sgeo> Oh, Yahoo thinks it's spam?
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00:57:23 * pikhq watches the earthrise
00:58:35 <ehird> jump the shark, jump the shark, jump the hobo, hobo shark
01:00:15 <oerjan> i'll have you know this shark is no hobo, it owns a considerable amount of ocean real estate. you just happen to be in the middle of its hunting ground, in fact.
01:00:34 <ehird> yummy delicious seafaring real estate agents
01:00:51 <ehird> Q: What's a real estate agent in second life? ?
01:02:22 <oerjan> the god of hurds, hirds and hordes
01:02:26 <pikhq> Mr Hird, how does it feel to be referred to in a mutually recursive acronym?
01:02:40 <ehird> I spit on Richard Stallman and his thousand microkernel penises.
01:02:41 <pikhq> (namely, a Hird of Unix Replacing Daemons)
01:19:31 <ehird> http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal, http://www.fullmoon.nu/Resurrection/PrimarySpecies.html
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01:41:27 <ehird> the future's gonna be cool.
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02:32:35 <pikhq> GOD DAMMIT INTERNET IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY SEND ALL OF MY PACKETS THROUGH‽‽‽
02:32:43 <ehird> tcp has error correction for a reason
02:33:03 <pikhq> IM NOT EVEN ASKING FOR 100 MBITS/SEC, IM ONLY ASKING FOR YOU TO STOP DROPPING CONNECTIONS ENTIRELY
02:33:18 <pikhq> A MOTHERFUCKING SMOKE SIGNAL NETWORK WOULD BE BETTER
02:33:39 <pikhq> ehird: I have been unable to use HTTP for nearly 4 hours now.
02:33:53 <pikhq> I can only retain a connection to *some* IRC networks.
02:34:01 <pikhq> And I can't log into IM.
02:35:17 <pikhq> I would rather have 800 baud over this shit. At least 800 baud gets your connections through.
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02:37:52 <coppro> pikhq: have you called them?
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02:46:51 <pikhq> coppro: I don't know how to contact them. Satellite Internet; their phone number is not in the phone book.
02:47:04 <pikhq> I'd look it up online, but I DONT HAVE TCP.
02:47:48 <pikhq> Also, it would be a bad idea for me to be on the phone.
02:47:57 <pikhq> I think I would start with death threats and go from there.
02:48:19 <pikhq> WHO THE FUCK RUNS AN ISP THAT CANT EVEN GET TCP THROUGH‽
02:49:34 <coppro> whoever runs your ISP?
02:50:02 <pikhq> I'm going to go dropkick the modem.
02:50:07 <pikhq> And maybe the satellite dish after that.
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02:59:29 <coppro> obviously to advance, you need to contact your ISP
02:59:32 <coppro> stupid linear games :{
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03:27:17 <GregorR-L> I discovered today that you can make ties on zazzle.com
03:28:22 <GregorR-L> I can get ten ties for that price >_>
03:31:30 <pikhq> But it would be a tie of a cellular automaton.
03:36:37 <GregorR-L> I'm also mid deciding whether to become a shirt-and-tie guy :P
03:36:58 <GregorR-L> The problem is I have a bunch of awesome T-Shirts, which would be utterly useless in that case.
03:37:12 <GregorR-L> But my T-Shirts are all white or black, and my button-up shirts are more colorful.
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03:38:21 <pikhq> I suggest that you wear T-shirts whenever possible.
03:38:27 <pikhq> If you do not, then you will have grown up.
03:38:36 <pikhq> And as we all know, that is a sad, sad thing.
03:39:00 <GregorR-L> That's why I don't want to just wear T-shirts any more.
03:39:15 <GregorR-L> Wearing a shirt and tie is weirdsauce for somebody in CS research :P
03:39:33 <pikhq> See if you can push the casual bounds even further and don't wear shirts? :P
03:39:35 <GregorR-L> Besides, it's not grown up if it's a fuchsia shirt with a gold tie ^^
03:39:54 <GregorR-L> Yeah, my flabby torso is totally for public viewing :P
03:58:01 <GregorR-L> http://www.zazzle.com/rule_110_tie-151701718082685707
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04:44:07 <augur> if only because of the color.
04:44:07 <augur> if it were dark grey and black that'd be different.
04:44:10 <augur> and i'd wear one. if i have a need for ties.
04:45:10 <GregorR-L> If it was dark grey and black I sure as hell wouldn't wear one.
04:45:17 <GregorR-L> This will go with any of my fuchsia shirts.
04:45:32 <augur> what kind of fuschia?
04:45:37 <augur> does it have a nice pattern?
04:45:41 <augur> or is it just flat?
04:45:47 <GregorR-L> No, my shirts are mostly solid colors.
04:45:57 <GregorR-L> I have four fuchsia shirts, so "it" is not very specific :P
04:46:03 <GregorR-L> For some reason fuchsia shirts at goodwill always fit me.
04:46:12 <pikhq> GregorR-L: I appreciate your lack of taste.
04:46:26 <augur> and he lacks your appreciation of taste!
04:46:45 <GregorR-L> I have a lime green shirt and bright red tie I'll be wearing to the IBM "picnic" :P
04:46:59 <augur> oh you work for ibm ey?
04:47:14 <GregorR-L> Only temporarily, and in New Yawk, yea.
04:49:04 <augur> white plains, is it?
04:49:45 <GregorR-L> Or rather, Westchester County, as far as I understand White Plains is one town/village/something in Westchester County, but the IBM is in fact in Hawthorne? Something like that.
04:49:59 <GregorR-L> http://www.zazzle.com/rule_30_tie-151111911076843021 // is this rule-30 color scheme more to your liking? It's more ... "subtle"? :P
04:52:42 <augur> gregor i hate you so much.
04:52:54 <augur> i hope you burn to death.
04:53:24 <GregorR-L> I made this one first, I think it should go with my purple shirt. Or maybe the pink one, but that's a fairly bright pink and this is more of a dark pink.
04:53:52 <GregorR-L> My means of dressing myself is basically "if it goes together, don't wear it"
04:54:00 <augur> go fuck yourself asshole. JUST GO FUCK YOURSELF. :|
04:54:52 <GregorR-L> augur is just jealous of my wonderful flamboyancy :P
04:55:18 <augur> if by flamboyancy you mean colors so bright you literally look like a burning piece of metal
04:56:18 <GregorR-L> I'm going to go to goodwill and buy ALL THE BRIGHTEST STUFF I CAN FIND.
04:56:34 <augur> because you're wearing clothes from goodwill
04:56:37 <augur> and look ridiculous.
04:57:04 <GregorR-L> Oooh, Mr. Snobbipants thinks I'm tacky.
04:57:20 <GregorR-L> Oooh, Mr. Snobbipants thinks I'm ridiculous.
04:58:12 <GregorR-L> That being said, as "ridiculous" is probably roughly item #3 on "properties Gregor attempts to imbue in his style and mannerisms", I'm going to go with, "super!"
04:58:44 <GregorR-L> That's the "Mr. SnobbIIIIIIpants" part
04:58:52 <GregorR-L> Ooooh, I'm too good to shop at Goodwill.
04:59:00 <pikhq> GregorR-L: I would mock you for wearing a shirt and tie.
04:59:31 <pikhq> However, you carry a hackerly form of disregard for normal conventions with it, so I cannot bring myself to do so.
05:00:46 <GregorR-L> But augur's "mockery" is drizzled with a puree of lukewarm lamesauce, so I'm left with NO MOCKERY AT ALL!
05:01:12 <pikhq> Clothing from Goodwill is lame or something?
05:01:19 <pikhq> But my trenchcoat is the antilame!
05:01:28 <augur> trenchcoats are different, pikhq
05:01:30 <GregorR-L> Heh, I have a Goodwill trenchcoat too :P
05:01:33 <augur> those are cooler when you get them from other people
05:01:35 <augur> especially dead people
05:01:44 <augur> but normal clothing? no.
05:02:03 <pikhq> GregorR-L: My roommates and I all bought trenchcoats last year. For 'tis awesome.
05:02:20 <GregorR-L> pikhq: Not only do they not wash them, but they grind the ashes of the dead into oil and rub it all over the clothes.
05:02:58 <GregorR-L> Yeah, you'd think it'd be too expensive, but apparently not?
05:20:42 <GregorR-L> Could I ... put the spinners optical illusion on a tie ...???
05:20:47 <GregorR-L> Is that the single worst idea ever? (yes)
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05:27:55 <GregorR-L> augur_: http://www.zazzle.com/classy_rule_110_tie-151952160559470088 howzat
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06:03:05 <pikhq> Y'know, US politics needs fixed.
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06:03:46 <pikhq> The US would have been great if it were under the rule of Norton I, Emperor of the United States, Protector of Mexico.
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11:05:12 <oklopol> http://www.fullmoon.nu/Resurrection/PrimarySpecies.html <<< this is totally reason enough to commit suicide
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11:33:30 * AnMaster read a bit and it seems like average sci-fi so far.
11:34:25 <oklopol> i'm not saying it's particularly good scifi, i'm saying what i said.
11:34:47 <oklopol> also i could be saying it's particularly good scifi, but that would be a secondary point,
11:34:53 <AnMaster> "this is totally reason enough to commit suicide" sounds like it is *VERY* bad
11:37:05 <oklopol> it's the ideas in it, or maybe more the way they were depicted, that made me say that
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12:12:19 <oklopol> liked http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal as well
12:12:26 <oklopol> i should probably read more scifi
12:13:28 <AnMaster> change for rating: average -> above average, possibly even "rather good"
12:15:05 <oklopol> well what's the top of the scale
12:15:21 <oklopol> measured in english, and in books
12:15:22 <AnMaster> oklopol, hm. "excellent" possibly is at the top
12:15:48 <AnMaster> as for books: haven't found one yet. HHGTG gets close, very close indeed. :)
12:16:16 <oklopol> maybe i should read it eventually, it's just it seems more fi than it is sci
12:16:23 <oklopol> i mean from what i've heard
12:16:37 <oklopol> i mean i'm mostly interested in the philosophical ideas in the articles
12:16:41 <AnMaster> oklopol, well that is true, and it is humoristic (sp?)
12:17:39 <oklopol> humoristic is a word, although humorous might fit better there
12:19:02 <oklopol> i mean i know what it means, never managed to reverse-engineer it
12:19:31 <oklopol> maybe because you're the only one who uses it, i don't really know
12:19:42 <AnMaster> oklopol, I picked it up from someone else
13:01:15 <AnMaster> I think something is broken... I get a single line of text when visiting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality : "Override this function." However... refreshing the page fixed it. How strange....
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13:13:35 <oerjan> no, just the most incomprehensible greeting i could think of
13:14:07 <oerjan> it _looks_ like it should be a norwegian transliteration of something, probably french. i don't know what though...
13:14:23 <oklopol> isn't bajs crap for swedish
13:15:00 <oerjan> not norwegian though (would be "bæsj")
13:19:13 <oerjan> ok sjallabais somehow means "party", but is also used as a greeting...
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13:20:34 <oklopol> well aren't you antisceptical
13:21:24 <oerjan> hm google throws up "trøndersk" dialect lists with it, so it may be a bit local
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13:23:55 <oerjan> otoh it may be spreading. mwuahaha!
13:24:48 <oklopol> yes, i will definitely start saying sjallabais whenever i don't believe something
13:26:36 * oerjan utterly fails at finding an etymology for it
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13:28:47 <oerjan> AnMaster: poor serron. but then, he probably deserves it.
13:29:19 <ehird> can't you guys keep it to #iwc
13:29:23 <ehird> oklopol: omg party \o/
13:29:37 <oerjan> i'm not in #iwc, or aware of its existence
13:30:14 <ehird> 19:38:21 <pikhq> I suggest that you wear T-shirts whenever possible.
13:30:14 <ehird> 19:38:27 <pikhq> If you do not, then you will have grown up.
13:30:14 <ehird> 19:38:36 <pikhq> And as we all know, that is a sad, sad thing.
13:30:14 <ehird> i wonder if acting childish actually slows that crippling ailment we refer to as aging
13:30:45 <oerjan> ehird: only if you also feel childish inside
13:31:01 <ehird> oerjan: that was implied
13:31:10 <ehird> also, ties are stupid
13:31:19 <ehird> they don't keep you warm, therefore useless item of clothing
13:31:29 <ehird> oklopol: easiest way to keep warm tho
13:31:32 <oerjan> if you are just pretending, it doesn't work. in fact it will only speed things up, as you start worrying if people are catching on
13:31:51 <oklopol> ehird: it's easier to stay inside
13:32:19 <ehird> i don't think i'll be drastically different when I'm 18
13:32:50 <ehird> i stopped totally changing every few years when I was 12
13:32:52 <oerjan> but then when you get 21... *BAM* average size ego
13:32:54 <ehird> guess that means I'm not learning anything
13:33:27 <oklopol> i stopped changing at like 12 too, then started changing rapidly a few years ago
13:33:29 <ehird> oerjan: but I *am* the most important thing in the universe
13:33:34 <ehird> the universe = my universe
13:33:37 <ehird> relativity says so
13:33:46 <ehird> just like when i talk about where things are, how fast they're moving etc
13:34:00 <ehird> from the viewpoint of my universe (again, colloquially, "the universe"), there is nothing more important than me
13:34:05 <ehird> since I'm the only thing keeping it extant
13:35:26 <oerjan> <GregorR-L> I have a lime green shirt and bright red tie I'll be wearing to the IBM "picnic" :P
13:35:49 <oerjan> GregorR: did you invent that color matcher just to make sure your clothes _never_ match? :D
13:35:52 <AnMaster> <oerjan> AnMaster: poor serron. but then, he probably deserves it. <-- indeed
13:38:14 <oklopol> yeah that serron is one annoying little bitch
13:38:32 <ehird> quite so good chap
13:38:41 <ehird> 21:27:55 <GregorR-L> augur_: http://www.zazzle.com/classy_rule_110_tie-151952160559470088 howzat
13:38:48 <ehird> <everyone else> Wow! A black tie!
13:39:29 <ehird> 03:05:12 <oklopol> http://www.fullmoon.nu/Resurrection/PrimarySpecies.html <<< this is totally reason enough to commit suicide
13:39:30 <ehird> why would you decrease your chances of it
13:39:36 <AnMaster> <ehird> 21:27:55 <GregorR-L> augur_: http://www.zazzle.com/classy_rule_110_tie-151952160559470088 howzat <-- "no minimum order"? Right, *orders -2*
13:39:53 <ehird> It's a natural number.
13:40:06 <ehird> It won't accept "i", either. Or 3.4.
13:40:10 <ehird> Doesn't make the condition false.
13:40:24 <AnMaster> ehird, it didn't say it needed to be a natural number. Thought a real integer was enogh
13:40:53 <ehird> Wow, jokes based on intentional, impossible-to-not-be-intentional, trivial misunderstandings.
13:40:56 <ehird> Truly the cream of the crap.
13:41:07 <oklopol> N or R+ are usually implied for products
13:41:08 <ehird> oklopol: a general idea of how selling goods works
13:41:20 <oklopol> ehird: it's a tie, i'd assume N
13:41:25 <ehird> that always deletes it from your cart
13:41:29 <AnMaster> it would be awesome to buy -2 though
13:41:31 <ehird> and negatives aren't an option
13:41:40 <ehird> and you clearly can't buy part of a tie
13:41:42 <ehird> or an imaginary tie
13:41:44 <ehird> i conclude natural
13:42:01 <AnMaster> <ehird> or an imaginary tie <-- true. those are priceless
13:42:14 <ehird> no, they're just imaginary.
13:42:35 <ehird> humoristic, now that's a crappy word
13:42:51 <oerjan> ehird: but then clearly 1 _is_ the minimum order. these philistines don't understand well-ordering!
13:42:51 <oklopol> i'm fairly sure it's a well-defined word
13:43:15 <ehird> you can prolly make arbitrary long words in english with meaning
13:43:35 <oklopol> well. clearly they are saying the set of possible amounts to order does not have a smallest object
13:43:45 <ehird> wow you tricked me oklopol, it wasn't actually a party
13:44:18 <oklopol> that means it can either be infinitely small, or supremum doesn't exist
13:44:53 <oklopol> because N and R+ are the two usual possibilities, i'd just assume that means "you can buy only part of a tie"
13:44:57 <oerjan> oklopol: itym infimum?
13:45:30 <oklopol> i'm not very good with associating terms with their meanings
13:46:00 <oklopol> although i guess Q+ might make more sense
13:46:22 <oklopol> is Q+ = Q+\{0} or what's the usual definition?
13:47:16 <oklopol> i mean of course that's not the definition, i'm asking whether it contains 0
13:47:32 <oklopol> is that a property of Q+ with its usual definition
13:47:50 <ehird> oklopol: you mean Q+ == Q+\{0} of course
13:48:21 <oklopol> only primitive unlanguages need a distinction between == and =
13:49:02 <oklopol> GregorR: so what's that 110 computing huh?
13:49:47 <oklopol> ehird: although i guess you are right in that in this case the unlinguistic mix of english and math would've benefitted from it
13:50:17 <ehird> i kinda expected you to deny there's a difference
13:52:09 <oklopol> i'd say the only crucial difference is in binding of left argument
13:52:32 <oklopol> in = it's usually a name, instead of the object it already refers to
13:52:52 <ehird> it's binding vs structural comparison
13:53:28 <oerjan> <GregorR-L> That being said, as "ridiculous" is probably roughly item #3 on "properties Gregor attempts to imbue in his style and mannerisms", I'm going to go with, "super!"
13:53:45 <oklopol> yes, except binding as an operation is only relevant in unlanguages, there are better ways to do it
13:54:07 <oklopol> oerjan: he wants to look ridiculous?
13:54:27 <oerjan> GregorR: now i just have to ask what #1 and #2 are...
13:55:05 <oklopol> the fact that = binds isn't a crucial difference, the fact that it creates a new object referred to as whatever is on the left is. the actual binding is just an assertion with the same semantics as == has
13:55:22 <oerjan> ehird: er that was for my miscopying
13:55:37 <ehird> most things can't be both assertions and predicates in languages
13:55:44 <ehird> and this is often not a perfect mapping
13:55:57 <ehird> assert X = an object whose equality checker always returns false
13:57:14 <oklopol> yes, =, as an equivalence check, is inconsistent if it doesn't have the properties of an equivalence relation
13:57:37 <ehird> so what's your proposal, don't allow overriding equality?
13:58:09 <oklopol> i'm not exactly talking about practical programming :D
13:58:42 <ehird> oklopol: it can be for non-practical things too!
13:58:47 <ehird> like, like, self-caching data structures
14:02:12 <oerjan> <AnMaster> I think something is broken... I get a single line of text when visiting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality : "Override this function." However... refreshing the page fixed it. How strange.... <-- it's just our simulation having the occasional problem with meta-stuff. nothing to worry about.
14:02:54 <oklopol> equality should not be overridden for the actual objects, it should be about checking equality. but you often need to check if they have the same equivalence class, and a nice practical solution, when there's an obvious equivalence class, is to make equality check whether the objects have the same class.
14:03:28 <oklopol> so i guess my opinion is equality should be overridable
14:03:39 <oklopol> if only as a practical unsolution
14:04:07 <oklopol> another well-known greeting
14:04:32 <oerjan> that must be well-known in a different simulation than ours
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14:06:13 <oklopol> should probably go make a food
14:07:14 <ehird> KERNELS, YAY KERNELS
14:07:17 <ehird> KER KER KER KER KERNELS
14:07:24 <ehird> KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERNELS
14:07:28 <ehird> LET'S ALL PROGRAM KERNELS
14:12:28 <ehird> oklopol: smalltalk80 is awesome isn't it
14:13:34 <ehird> losethos guy has finally gone totally off the deepend
14:13:48 <ehird> <losethos> Free 64-bit Operating System Release: LoseThos V5.11
14:13:53 <ehird> <plan17b> Wouldn't it be simpler to stab your eyes out with a screw driver?
14:14:02 <ehird> <losethos> I don't lust. It is you who needs to do that, you perverted porn addict.
14:14:02 <ehird> <losethos> 27 19 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' 28 But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 20 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one of your members than to have your whole body thrown into Gehenna. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better f
14:14:18 <ehird> or you to lose one of your members than to have your whole body go into Gehenna.
14:14:37 <ehird> he takes to insulting his audience directly
14:14:40 <ehird> <losethos> The LoseThos operating system is the answer! It's 64-bit and super simple. You young folk don't like it, I know. You don't understand... anything :-) http://www.losethos.com
14:14:52 <ehird> <losethos> Has graphics -- 640x480 16 color
14:14:52 <ehird> <losethos> Has HD Audio
14:14:53 <ehird> <losethos> You don't understand, obviously, punk.
14:14:53 <ehird> <losethos> I'd like to seen gen Y get to the moon.
14:14:53 <ehird> <losethos> I worked on Ticketmaster's proprietary VAX operating system. Look at Obama's attempt at cash for clunkers. Look at the Chinese Olympics ticketing crash.
14:15:02 <ehird> http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/97w0g/cnn_refuses_to_air_this_ad/c0bqm0h
14:15:07 <ehird> Gnashed their thanksgivings!
14:15:33 <ehird> Oh, and the post is about healthcare.
14:15:40 <ehird> Not coveting/adultery.
14:25:25 <oklopol> Since questions livest cares!
14:25:51 <oklopol> scary how well it answers the question
14:26:15 <ehird> wonder if he'll go on a killing spree
14:26:20 <ehird> i get the impression he's too cazy to
14:26:28 <ehird> probably looks shiftily and gibbers when outside
14:28:06 <ehird> that infinite mario ai thing
14:28:13 <ehird> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlkMs4ZHHr8
14:28:20 <ehird> it actually DECIDED to jump into oblivion
14:28:25 <ehird> then do two precise jumps to get out again
14:28:28 <ehird> just to avoid some enemies
14:28:31 <ehird> too fucking hardcore
14:30:19 <ehird> i wanna write my own except it aims for max score
14:30:22 <ehird> instead of just "survival"
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14:31:36 <oklopol> i would love to make a general purpose gamer ai
14:31:48 <ehird> oklopol: minimax is probably the closest principle to that
14:32:02 <ehird> works in basically any competitive game
14:32:03 <oklopol> i wouldn't mind if it sucked ass, as long as it at least somewhat understood what the keys do
14:32:21 <ehird> Minimax (sometimes minmax) is a decision rule used in decision theory, game theory, statistics and philosophy for minimizing the maximum possible loss. Alternatively, it can be thought of as maximizing the minimum gain (maximin). Originally formulated for two-player zero-sum game theory, covering both the cases where players take alternate moves and those where they make simultaneous moves. It has also been extended to more complex games and to general deci
14:32:36 <oklopol> err yes, naturally i know what the algorithm is
14:32:36 <ehird> sion making in the presence of uncertainty.
14:32:53 <ehird> you can't really get more generic than that though
14:33:02 <ineiros> Re: kernels. Babble generator says: "kernels are specific nodes or the liver , and the two - party case , we see a picture , if you will ?"
14:33:25 <ehird> ineiros: not nearly as good as the one, the only, LOSETHOS GOD COMMUNICATION SYSTEM!
14:34:13 <fizzie> My IRC-based language model just says "kernels are dumb."
14:34:46 <ehird> http://tunes.org/wiki/no-kernel.html
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14:42:51 <GregorR-L> Aug 06 08:35:49 <oerjan> GregorR: did you invent that color matcher just to make sure your clothes _never_ match? :D
14:43:19 <GregorR-L> Aug 06 08:38:50 <ehird> <everyone else> Wow! A black tie!
14:43:33 <GregorR-L> Aug 06 08:49:06 <oklopol> GregorR: so what's that 110 computing huh?
14:43:53 <GregorR-L> Aug 06 08:53:30 <oerjan> <GregorR-L> That being said, as "ridiculous" is probably roughly item #3 on "properties Gregor attempts to imbue in his style and mannerisms", I'm going to go with, "super!" \ Aug 06 08:54:28 <oerjan> GregorR: now i just have to ask what #1 and #2 are...
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14:46:08 <Pthing> anyone used a rule 110 to actually compute any actual problems yet
14:46:12 <ehird> we have a culture of blocked logreading/responding
14:46:17 <ehird> Pthing: no, it's useless.
14:46:30 <Pthing> oh i see my apologies, i will go and ask on
14:46:47 <oerjan> Pthing: the computations are horribly inefficient
14:46:52 <Pthing> by "actual", I of course mean esolang-level actual
14:47:07 <ehird> well i'm sure someone's probably done it
14:47:16 <ehird> can't be hard to compile BCT
14:47:38 <oerjan> it was designed for cyclic tag so...
14:53:28 <ehird> oerjan: wuzzat supposed to mean
14:54:14 <oklopol> i wonder if anyone ever excited it into a sevenfold glio
14:54:48 <oerjan> ehird: the rule 110 universality proof used a tag system
14:55:06 <ehird> now we just need to write a real program in BCT :P
14:55:32 <oklopol> WELL WE ALREADY KNOW HOW TO WRITE ONE IN B AND C SO SHOULD BE EASY
14:55:52 <ehird> and T is a dialect of Scheme!
14:56:38 <oklopol> how convenient... maybe a little too convenient though.
14:57:05 <ehird> oklopol: int main(void) { extrn cons; auto a; a=(cons 1 2); return 0; }
14:58:38 <ehird> extrn cons; auto a;
14:58:53 <AnMaster> my mind read it as "extern" not "extrn"
15:01:08 <oerjan> your mind is trying too hard to be helpfl
15:06:00 <AnMaster> oerjan, that had the wrong shape though
15:07:07 <AnMaster> as in: IxIpII vs IxIpIxI where
15:07:12 <ehird> i'm actually blind
15:07:18 <AnMaster> where* the letters represent the overall *shape*
15:07:21 <ehird> betcha didn't notice :)
15:07:51 <AnMaster> with extern/extrn the only difference is the length of the last "x-height" segment
15:08:08 <ehird> hmm, blind typography enthusiast :D
15:08:10 <AnMaster> when it comes to overall shape
15:08:28 <AnMaster> oerjan, what has he/she/it got to do with this?
15:08:49 <AnMaster> I actually don't know Iki Piki's gender. Not sure if the question makes sense at all...
15:09:10 <ehird> [15:07] AnMaster: as in: IxIpII vs IxIpIxI where
15:09:23 <AnMaster> ehird, I hit enter too early yes
15:10:02 <ehird> male, says irregularwebcomic.wikia
15:10:02 <ehird> Iki Piki is a jack-of-all-trades. Well, some. Like diplomacy, and demolitions. He sees no contradiction in these professions. He also has a passing knowledge of xenobiology, law, and nuclear physics. If you need dubious advice on any of these subjects, Iki's your man! He prefers plastic explosive for demolition purposes, and chews gum. He hardly ever gets these confused.
15:10:19 <AnMaster> THERE IS A irregularwebcomic.wikia ‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽
15:10:45 <ehird> [AnMaster has an aneurysm]
15:10:52 <oerjan> AnMaster: the cast page uses "He" for him. also, "If you need dubious advice on any of these subjects, Iki's your man!"
15:11:26 <ehird> if you need dubious advice on any of these subjects, she's your man!
15:11:55 <oerjan> also there is DMM's sf roleplaying setting which he comes from ...
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15:13:03 <AnMaster> oerjan, yes I know about the source. What about it?
15:13:21 <oerjan> on dangermouse.net somewhere
15:13:35 <oerjan> AnMaster: well it probably has more about his species
15:14:20 <AnMaster> I thought you meant... never mind
15:15:57 <ehird> gah i have an urge to write forth but no application for it
15:16:01 <oerjan> http://www.dangermouse.net/gurps/amber/sjgaliens.html
15:17:13 <oerjan> "Pachekki are ambisexual, switching between exclusively female and male roles at random every few days."
15:17:31 <ehird> maybe the FAQ changes every few days
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15:19:12 <GregorR-L> Aug 06 09:57:05 <ehird> oklopol: int main(void) { extrn cons; auto a; a=(cons 1 2); return 0; }
15:19:26 <ehird> GregorR-L: stop that bouncing!
15:19:39 <GregorR-L> I just bounced in a car from one locality to another :P
15:19:52 <ehird> GregorR-L: get mobile interwebs
15:20:22 <GregorR-L> And using the intarwebs while driving = not generally considered a good idea
15:20:44 <GregorR-L> Whereas wearing Gregor's super-awesome rule 110 tie = BEST IDEA EVARS
15:21:13 <ehird> buy it for me and I will
15:22:51 <AnMaster> <GregorR-L> Whereas wearing Gregor's super-awesome rule 110 tie = BEST IDEA EVARS <-- picture
15:23:15 <GregorR-L> http://www.zazzle.com/rule_110_tie-151701718082685707
15:24:26 <GregorR-L> Hahah, much more positive responses today :P
15:24:35 <GregorR-L> http://www.zazzle.com/rule_30_tie-151111911076843021 // I have rule 30 too! X-P
15:25:06 <Pthing> why are the colours so awful
15:25:15 <ehird> because gregor has terrible fashion sense!
15:25:29 <ehird> GregorR-L: make a transparent tie
15:25:32 <ehird> i'd so fucking buy a transparent tie
15:25:50 <Pthing> or dark grey and light grey
15:25:51 <GregorR-L> http://www.zazzle.com/classy_rule_110_tie-151952160559470088 // YOU GUYS ARE LAME
15:25:57 <Pthing> it'd look like a real tie, not a clown tie
15:26:04 <GregorR-L> I would never buy a tie that wasn't bright and gaudy :P
15:26:05 <ehird> GregorR-L: But that's just a black tie.
15:26:14 <ehird> I bet it'd print as the same colour.
15:26:25 <AnMaster> <GregorR-L> http://www.zazzle.com/classy_rule_110_tie-151952160559470088 // YOU GUYS ARE LAME <-- it is black on black?
15:26:39 <GregorR-L> The difference isn't even that subtle
15:26:56 <AnMaster> it is? I blame my monitor then
15:27:11 <ehird> i have a high-quality colour-calibrated display and it's smudgy black
15:27:20 <AnMaster> right, if I look at it at an extreme angel I can see the grey
15:27:34 <GregorR-L> And I have a crappo MacBook and it's ultra-visible X_X
15:27:44 <Deewiant> I have a probably-crap-quality probably-non-calibrated display and it's clearly grey on black
15:27:55 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, there you go. To *BAD* monitor to show it properly
15:28:08 <ehird> With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns.
15:28:25 <GregorR-L> Anyway, I don't care, as that's a lame tie no matter what shade of grey I use. Except for white maybe.
15:28:28 <ehird> But my pre-calibrated matte IPS apple display says it's smudges on black, so it's smudges on black.
15:28:37 <ehird> White is the best shade of gray
15:28:40 <AnMaster> ehird, except it will be indistinguishable (SP‽) from green such
15:28:52 <ehird> AnMaster: physically yes
15:29:07 <GregorR-L> And people who don't wear brightly-colored ties are SO LAMESAUCE.
15:29:23 <GregorR-L> My tie is cyan. And I'm wearing a purple shirt. RIGHT NOW.
15:29:46 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, I'm glad to say this is only text chat
15:29:54 <GregorR-L> (Maybe a bit closer to magenta? Yeah, I'll go with magenta)
15:30:02 <AnMaster> aren't cyan/purple like complement colours?
15:30:15 <oerjan> `addquote <ehird> With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns.
15:30:21 <HackEgo> 62|<ehird> With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns.
15:30:45 <AnMaster> does anyone ever use that thing to *display* the quotes?
15:30:56 <oerjan> i think i've seen it done
15:31:03 <HackEgo> 61|<fizzie> Seconds. 30 of them. Did I forget the word?
15:31:12 <HackEgo> 6|<Keiya> I think the freemasons are actually a cover for homosexual men.
15:31:28 <HackEgo> 33|IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): <ehird> So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler!
15:31:36 <HackEgo> 10|<oerjan> what, you mean that wasn't your real name? <Warrigal> Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that.
15:31:49 <HackEgo> 18|<fungot> GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know.
15:31:52 <AnMaster> I don't understand the context
15:31:56 <HackEgo> 26|<FireFly> Meh <FireFly> ._.
15:32:04 <ehird> well that's a good quote except it isn't funny
15:32:06 <HackEgo> 19|<Warrigal> "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom
15:32:08 <oerjan> ehird: where the nazis won the war but lost their grammar
15:32:14 <HackEgo> 54|<lacota> I guess when you're immortal, mapping your fonts isn't necessary
15:32:26 <HackEgo> 43|<ehird> pikhq: A lunar nation is totally pointless. <fungebob> ehird: consider low-gravity porn <ehird> fungebob: OK. Now I'm convinced.
15:32:31 <ehird> YOU HAVE STARTED A REVOLUTION
15:33:38 <HackEgo> 23|<fizzie after embedding some of his department research into fungot> Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it.
15:33:53 <AnMaster> fizzie, oh? what ^style is it?
15:33:55 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
15:34:09 <HackEgo> 3|<Slereah> EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork"
15:34:27 <HackEgo> 21|<pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, you know the rest.
15:34:29 <Slereah> !swedish riondgdunh_y"_'"'jigrjhiuyyè_jiy(h'n'j-i'uj-_y(ijhrt,et,nkprj'j-'-i"j
15:34:45 <HackEgo> 27|<fungot> oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him!
15:34:46 <Slereah> ^swedish riondgdunh_y"_'"'jigrjhiuyyè_jiy(h'n'j-i'uj-_y(ijhrt,et,nkprj'j-'-i"j
15:34:52 <oklopol> what's wrong with low-gravity porn
15:34:57 <EgoBot> reeundgdoonh_y"_'"'jeegrjhiooyyè_jeey(h'n'j-i'ooj-_y(ijhrt,it,nkprj'j-'-i"j
15:35:06 <ehird> oklopol: there are a negative amount of things wrong with it
15:35:12 <HackEgo> 34|SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): <ehird> i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce!
15:35:21 <HackEgo> 21|<pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, you know the rest.
15:35:22 <AnMaster> oklopol, nothing. just fail to see in what way it is better than the normal styff
15:35:25 <HackEgo> 62|<ehird> With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns.
15:35:35 <ehird> AnMaster: Everything is better in low-gravity
15:35:40 <oklopol> AnMaster: well you can have sex while airborne
15:35:40 <ehird> (except earth-like gravity)
15:35:51 <ehird> i wonder if anyone's had sex on a vomit comet
15:35:56 <ehird> like maybe trazjillionaires
15:36:14 <HackEgo> 21|<pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, you know the rest.
15:36:18 <HackEgo> 3|<Slereah> EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork"
15:36:19 <HackEgo> 47|<augur> augur: pretty true.
15:36:22 <HackEgo> 33|IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): <ehird> So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler!
15:36:26 <oklopol> people have had sex in no-gravity, at least
15:36:39 <HackEgo> 11|<SimonRC> TODO: sex life
15:36:52 <oklopol> ehird: i think a millionnaire went up with his wife
15:36:52 <HackEgo> 6|<Keiya> I think the freemasons are actually a cover for homosexual men.
15:37:03 <HackEgo> 15|<Lil`Cube> wouldn't that be considered pedophilia? <Quas_NaArt> No. They all go by stage names.
15:37:11 <HackEgo> 16|<Madelon> 11 holes for me :D
15:37:15 <ehird> oklopol: see, i guessed that!
15:37:20 <HackEgo> 48|<oklopol> i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that.
15:37:20 <ehird> though i can't imagine the press release
15:37:26 <HackEgo> 51|* Dylan devides by Zorro
15:37:42 <oklopol> ehird: afair nasa wanted to observe, for science, maybe just an urban legend though
15:37:43 <ehird> "MAXIMILLION TYCOON, the charitable millionaire, today had sexual intercourse in zero-gravity with his wife."
15:37:51 <ehird> AnMaster: he's not in here.
15:37:57 <ehird> nor is Madelon, Lil`Cube or Quas_NaArt
15:38:22 <AnMaster> is the bot in more than one channel?
15:38:47 <AnMaster> ehird, and what is this sine I heard about before
15:39:46 <AnMaster> http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:XbSX6_ILf8IJ:creatures.wikia.com/wiki/Sine+%2Bsine+irc+network&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk <-- that?
15:39:54 <AnMaster> google cache because the real page was so slow to load
15:40:01 <ehird> no, that's a different sgeo and dylan.
15:40:39 <AnMaster> "If you would like to visit Sine, you are most welcome. Ask anyone in the above list for its address." <-- why so secret
15:40:56 <ehird> yeah being most welcome and able to ask for the address sure is secret
15:41:06 <ehird> we're talking illuminati-level here
15:41:11 <oklopol> AnMaster: spammers don't ask
15:41:53 <ehird> http://www.whereiwrite.org/delany.php i thought this was a zero-gravity writing place
15:45:42 <ehird> argh i love forth and smalltalk too much
15:46:42 <ehird> parse-word HELLO cr type cr
15:51:00 <ehird> i love how you can add syntax and parsers to forth (same thing) in a few words
15:52:46 <pikhq> I love how these pants are INEXPLICABLY 1 INCH SMALLER AROUND THE WASTE THAN EVERY OTHER PAIR I OWN
15:53:12 <ehird> : hello ." Hello, " parse-word type ." !" ; ok
15:53:12 <ehird> hello world Hello, world! ok
15:53:13 <ehird> : test hello world ;
15:53:13 <ehird> :3: Undefined word
15:53:18 <ehird> have to learn how to do compile words
15:54:44 <fizzie> The ct style is built with our VariKN toolkit, but it's from a really small data, so...
15:54:52 <fungot> Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script)
15:55:00 <ehird> fungot: It's funny, because ct is the worst style.
15:55:00 <fungot> ehird: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him!
15:55:07 * pikhq wears changéd pants
15:55:11 <ehird> Another "he's a tricycle"
15:55:50 <oerjan> pikhq: length contraction. it's a relativistic effect.
15:55:59 <fizzie> Well, there's not that much text in it. And there are two very nice model size control parameters to tweak, I just haven't tweaked them for fungot use.
15:55:59 <fungot> fizzie: i'd like to see that mystical sword for myself! geez!
15:56:40 <ehird> fungot: no, that's taboo, bits can't mingle with bits
15:56:40 <fungot> ehird: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him!
15:56:43 <ehird> (oh man that was a terrible pun!)
15:56:54 <ehird> every single element
15:56:57 <pikhq> Rupert Murdoch announces that he will be charging for the site of every news company he owns.
15:57:06 <ehird> fizzie: I note that it's saying the exact same line a lot
15:57:17 <pikhq> ehird: I was having trouble with IP last night.
15:57:25 <ehird> pikhq: older than that
15:58:46 <oerjan> pikhq: you may be experiencing time dilation as well, i suppose
16:02:26 <oklopol> i dropped my cool-drink, but luckily i caught it.
16:03:19 <oerjan> ehird: no, not _that_ cool
16:03:41 <oerjan> if it makes a *crink*, it's frozen, not a drink
16:03:51 <ehird> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crink pick one!
16:03:57 <fizzie> It's probably because the fungot generation code uses the longest-length n-grams it finds. Optimally it should use the backoff weights also explicitly in the model, but I don't have support for that in the Funge code.
16:03:57 <fungot> fizzie: you are strong of will...! that's the pendant the gurus and miss you. you may use that " rainbow shell? can eat much, much strong guy!
16:05:46 <oklopol> so, has anyone seen a decent definition on urbandictionary
16:05:59 <oklopol> i mean they have "print this on a mug", what the fuck is that about
16:06:03 <ehird> yes, of coonpickrobber
16:06:25 <oklopol> print this random crap someone wrote high as a humper on a mug
16:06:55 <ehird> oklopol: what should i code in forth
16:07:40 <pikhq> ehird, a Haskell compiler.
16:07:57 <oklopol> i dunno.......................
16:08:12 <oklopol> ehird: coonpickrobber is not on ud
16:09:00 <oklopol> anyway gotta go read some totally crink shit
16:10:23 <ehird> "I have never edited Wikipedia because I'm afraid that an admin will just revert it and then hack me and my family via my IP address. How many times a day would you say you do this?"
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16:22:47 <ehird> ?0?%p?0&0N%D??0?=/?&?0? ???Y??0?%??0DA?0??0?%0S0&&0?%??0&&0P
16:22:53 <ehird> looks like embedded machine code to me!
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16:26:05 * ehird implements the rationals in Forth
16:26:49 <ehird> hmm Q/ or /Q I wonder
16:27:20 <ehird> I need to distinguish the operation Q/Q→Q and Z/Z→Q
16:32:45 <GregorR-L> I actually managed to make http://www.zazzle.com/rule_30_tie-151111911076843021 with absolutely no cognition of any possible implications of having pink triangles all over one's tie :P
16:33:07 <ehird> you must now wear it
16:36:05 <ehird> hey one of his goals IS flamboyancy!
16:45:13 <AnMaster> is that related to floating flames? ~
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16:46:28 <AnMaster> that would be flambuoyancy though!
16:46:52 <AnMaster> just a single letter difference...
16:50:40 <ehird> so I just invented the single language better than smalltalk
16:51:38 <ehird> it's smalltalk, except you can intercept it at ... sort-of-compile time
16:52:04 <ehird> ok that could actually become a shitfest :P
16:52:52 <ehird> GregorR-L: that's probably valid D.
16:53:18 <ehird> it probably invokes a template at run-time from a pointer with a recursion limit of 7
16:53:25 <ehird> then includes it in the current string
16:54:24 <ehird> I wonder why smalltalk doesn't have list syntax, it's really annoying
16:55:16 <AnMaster> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/558.html <-- :D (yes I'm archive re-reading)
16:56:13 <ehird> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/559.html ;; this annoys me too
16:56:14 <AnMaster> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/570.html <-- some oerjan-esque puns there.
16:57:02 <AnMaster> ehird, well yeah, but I still laughed out loud at them
16:58:52 <ehird> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/564.html ;; worst comic I ever read
16:59:03 <AnMaster> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/591.html <-- horrible pun again
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17:01:17 <AnMaster> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/617.html <-- :DDD
17:01:48 <oklopol> i'll answer when the page loads
17:02:44 <AnMaster> ehird, hey, give me a unicode square rotated 45 degrees. So it looks somewhat like <> but more square
17:02:51 <oklopol> WHY DO I KEEP COMING BACK HERE I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO
17:03:07 <oklopol> yeah unicode slave start digging
17:03:23 <ehird> AnMaster: you eman a diamond
17:03:26 <AnMaster> I wouldn't know what plane to look in at all
17:03:33 <AnMaster> ehird, well, yeah, square diamond
17:03:57 <AnMaster> not like an *actual* diamond, which is often quite different in shape
17:05:09 <ehird> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrosomatoglyph
17:07:45 <ehird> Q: what did they call the new word about sex
17:08:37 <AnMaster> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/716.html
17:08:54 <AnMaster> ehird, is that from that wp page?
17:09:03 <ehird> no i just made it up, it' shilarious
17:09:07 <ehird> also why would cyberspace be bad
17:09:20 <ehird> AnMaster: neologism
17:09:31 <ehird> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jism
17:09:43 <ehird> it's the best joke ever
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17:17:28 <GregorR-L> ?Cool, are we putting punctuation before sentences now
17:18:15 <oerjan> i don't see the difference
17:18:45 <GregorR-L> ,'.Oh were putting ALL punctuation before
17:19:13 <ehird> ?'Its like: ,'dont kay
17:19:23 <GregorR-L> ?',Oh its supposed to be in reverse order
17:20:07 <ehird> .:Asztal 'Its complicated
17:20:27 <ehird> .:Asztal Whenever you go to type a punctuation ,character put it at the start of the attached word or sentence
17:21:10 <nornalbion> ?,Oh does it depend on the meaning of the punctuation
17:21:44 <ehird> !But of course ?We 'couldnt have it being simple ,now could we
17:22:28 <GregorR-L> `echo is a word with a grave accent
17:22:30 <HackEgo> is a word with a grave accent
17:23:03 <ehird> .'Im pretty sure this is distracting me from asking the -allimportant questions such as ""?Who let you in, ""?Who are you and ""?Did you sacrifice goats or sheep
17:23:16 <ehird> .'Im pretty sure this is distracting me from asking the -allimportant questions such as ,""?Who let you in ""?Who are you and ""?Did you sacrifice goats or sheep
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17:24:29 <ehird> that took me like ten seconds to get
17:25:30 <ehird> .:nornalbion 'Im tempted to charge you for question -noncompliance but 'Im pretty sure we 'dont have a law against that
17:25:55 <ehird> ().Fun :challenge say ""'pataphysics with this method
17:35:54 <ehird> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/258.html ← oh law
17:39:51 <Slereah> Hamlet makes me think of a small ham
17:47:34 <pikhq> Slereah: I read that as "Hamlet makes me think of a small man".
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17:53:52 <impomatic> Did you see the Brainfuck synthesizer yet? http://probablyprogramming.com/2009/08/06/a-brainfuck-synthesizer/
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18:05:10 <pikhq> Just saw it a few minutes ago. Not bad.
18:06:09 <oklopol> http://probablyprogramming.com/2009/08/06/a-brainfuck-synthesizer/ <<< i did this like a year or two ago
18:06:35 <oklopol> who doesn't come up with that after knowing both brainfuck and how sound works
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18:07:17 <oklopol> (didn't really read it yet, may be more sophisticated :P)
18:08:26 <pikhq> It takes notes and generates tones.
18:08:39 <pikhq> It's not very sophisticated: it's his first non-trivial Brainfuck.
18:09:54 <ehird> omg sopier are gonna made an orangered envelope soap, that's like 500x better than the alien
18:10:02 <ehird> also i never really grasped pcm
18:10:11 <impomatic> It looks like he's planing to write a non-trivial program in 500 different languages.
18:10:48 <pikhq> Not necessarily one a day, but yeah.
18:10:52 <GregorR-L> He should, instead, write a non-trivial programming language every day, with the interpreter written in the previous language :P
18:10:58 <ehird> dunno if i'd be happy using so much of my time
18:11:03 <impomatic> Every other day I think. It says 500 in 3 years.
18:11:06 <pikhq> GregorR-L: That would be win.
18:11:21 <oklopol> GregorR-L: and optimize the old ones so that the whole chain runs smoothly
18:11:24 <impomatic> Yeah, and then cascade the interpreters so he's got a tower of 500 :-)
18:11:32 <ehird> http://probablyprogramming.com/2009/08/01/500-programming-languages-python/ gee, a brainfuck interpreter
18:11:36 <ehird> that's non-trivial?!
18:13:09 <pikhq> ehird: Hear, hear.
18:13:28 <pikhq> Especially since the interpretation consists of compiling to Python and then executing it.
18:14:13 <oklopol> sound much less trivial to me, because of indentation
18:14:37 <pikhq> oklopol: ... Indentation is not hard to do.
18:15:03 <pikhq> He's got like 2.5 extra lines of code going into it.
18:15:15 <oklopol> well no, but you can't just s/// is up because of it
18:15:38 <oklopol> right, i'm just saying that 2.5 makes it seem harder than making a brainfuck interp to me, then again i've written hundreds of those
18:15:58 <ehird> oklopol: but consider
18:16:10 <ehird> you need to find the matching ] and [
18:16:21 <ehird> you just output a constant string and indent++
18:16:26 <ehird> and the same with indent-- when you hit a ]
18:16:51 <oklopol> yeah, okay, maybe it's tons easier than interpreting
18:17:24 <pikhq> And append ' '*indent to each line produced from s//.
18:17:28 <oklopol> i mean writing a brainfuck interp without parsing is actually surprisingly error prone
18:17:33 <fizzie> I don't suppose any of the .fi people (other than ineiros, that is) is doing the Assembly thing.
18:17:51 <oklopol> fizzie: is an assembly coming up? :)
18:18:04 <fizzie> The yearly one. You know.
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18:18:33 <fizzie> Actually I guess it's twice a year nowadays.
18:18:38 <oklopol> pop culture always escapes me
18:18:43 <oklopol> anyway what assembly thing
18:19:09 <Deewiant> The other one is assembly winter, which is a bit different
18:19:15 <Deewiant> And no, I don't do that thing.
18:19:24 <fizzie> oklopol: It has a website, www.assembly.org.
18:19:43 <oklopol> oh by doing the assembly thing did you just mean being there?
18:20:00 <oklopol> i thought there was like some big competition everyone knew about
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18:24:04 <ehird> i mean doesn't assembly have bunches
18:24:26 <oklopol> yes, but i thought there was one "the competition", because fizzie said "the assembly thing"
18:25:08 <oklopol> but that was pretty stupid of me
18:25:48 <fizzie> The thing is just to exist; those competitions are then, I don't know, some sort of sub-things.
18:27:06 <oklopol> couldn't have put it better myself
18:27:37 <ehird> `addquote <fizzie> The thing is just to exist
18:27:46 <HackEgo> 63|<fizzie> The thing is just to exist
18:30:36 <HackEgo> 36|<Deewiant> ehird: There is no h in "honour"
18:30:51 <ehird> there's no i in individuality
18:31:21 <oklopol> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxD
18:31:59 <GregorR-L> Having achieved goal #1, GOAL #2: Profit!
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18:40:47 <impomatic> I wanted to go to assembly about 15 years ago, but never got around to it.
18:43:01 <fizzie> I've been doing this yearly since I think 1996 (or '97; and with the exception of 2002 or something) and every year I sort-of decide it's not worth it.
18:43:47 <ehird> the testosterone levels at assembly must be ridiculous
18:55:05 <fizzie> There's not much to do here today, and it's a work-day tomorrow, so.
18:55:19 <ehird> http://www.osnews.com/story/21952/Haiku_Alpha_Just_a_Decision_Away
18:55:21 <ehird> I don't believe it!
18:56:33 * ehird wonders how best to handle an argument-neutral function without syntax in smalltalk elegantly
18:56:42 <ehird> (m gcd: n) doesn't seem right
19:17:41 <AnMaster> fizzie, what are you doing then
19:19:35 <fizzie> I had a bit of x86 assembler to write, but it would be too antisocial, and this laptop is a PowerPPC.
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21:17:26 <ehird> this is what boredom does to you!
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21:18:11 <ehird> i was about to say something about your name and great communicational difficulties
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21:18:55 <mycroftiv> ironically, in my native language, 'Guest42650' is actually how we say 'good morning' so its 6 of one, half dozen of the other
21:18:55 <kar8nga> well, sometimes the connection is a bit spooky ...
21:19:13 <ehird> mycroftiv: is your native language IRC? :P
21:19:25 <mycroftiv> yes, 'internet bullshit' is indeed my native language
21:19:34 <ehird> quite so good chap
21:20:45 <ehird> mycroftiv: btw you expressed interest in the os; design/coding should be underway by next month or thereabouts
21:20:48 <ehird> at least a first prototype
21:21:04 <ehird> probably i'll become a hermit and come back with a new love of the true languages PHP and FORTRAN
21:21:15 <ehird> PHP for the lower-level, FORTRAN for everything else
21:21:28 <mycroftiv> actually isnt fortran a fine langauge nowadays?
21:21:59 <mycroftiv> maybe its 'too rich' because it supports too much stuff but i thought you could write just about any style of code you wanted in it now
21:22:03 <ehird> depends how you define fine
21:22:24 <mycroftiv> well, its not all UPPERCASE GOTO any more
21:22:36 <ehird> PHP is multi-paradigm too
21:23:47 <mycroftiv> even I won't say anything on behalf of PHP, since pre-plan 9 I (shudder) did php+mysql stuff
21:24:04 <ehird> my first real language was php at 8
21:24:12 <ehird> took a long time to recover from that
21:24:38 <mycroftiv> i started with BASIC on an Apple ][ at age 5, also LOGO - I knew at the time that LOGO was better conceptually, also :)
21:24:59 <mycroftiv> of course, i also ended up writing a lot more lines of BASIC code because it gave you more control over the system...and thus we see the classic dichotomy
21:25:43 <ehird> to hell with that dichotomy, no reason why you can't expose hardware as part of a high-level system :)
21:26:24 <mycroftiv> i know, its a dichotomy created by bad practices and over hasty 'gold rush' architecture, its not fundamental
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21:33:29 * ehird realises he has no idea how to make a growing array in forth without manually writing realloc
21:33:39 <ehird> guess i'll do that
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21:40:56 <pikhq> Writing an OS in Forth, ehird?
21:41:14 <ehird> forth core and smalltalk upper layer
21:41:20 <ehird> with the smalltalk compiler written in forth
21:41:30 <ehird> but not right now, no
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21:41:42 <pikhq> Just writing in Forth, then.
21:47:55 <Sgeo> ..you can't run Qt applications in Windows without a commercial license?
21:48:42 <Sgeo> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html
21:48:52 <Sgeo> "(The windows version was tested for all but Eric3, which was tested on Linux. Eric3 is based on Qt, which basically means you can't run it on Windows unless you've shelled out $$$ for a commerical Qt license, since there is no GPL version of Qt for Windows. Yes, there's Qt Free, but that's not exactly production-ready software.) "
21:48:56 <ehird> Looks very, oh, 2005.
21:49:05 <ehird> "not exactly production ready"
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21:51:19 <pikhq> ehird: He is referring to the attempted port of Qt3/X11 to Win32.
21:51:38 <ehird> http://web.mit.edu/qt/www/freeeditions.html
21:52:29 <Sgeo> "Qt Free" links to http://qtwin.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page
21:53:01 <ehird> Q... what a terrible name
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22:27:21 <Sgeo> What is #esoteric 's opinion on Pyjamas?
22:27:54 <ehird> ..............um.................?
22:28:04 <ehird> They're, uh, comfy?
22:28:12 <Sgeo> http://pyjs.org/
22:28:21 <ehird> Of course. How could I possibly have not known.
22:28:36 <ehird> Yay, it's another "let's make shitty, un-web applications that run in a browser."
22:28:44 <ehird> After all, users are scared of (a) hypertext, (b) native applications.
22:29:11 <ehird> "javascript, a low-level alien language with weird complexities"
22:29:22 <ehird> Well this guy sounds like an idiot!
22:29:33 <ehird> "And, as you are writing in a much higher level language than Javascript"
22:29:43 <ehird> JAVASCRIPT HAS PROTOTYPE-BASED OOP AND ITS MAIN INSPIRATION WAS LISP
22:29:48 <ehird> PYTHON IS BASED ON THE TEACHING LANGUAGE ABC
22:29:50 <ehird> YOU ARE RETAAAAAAAAAAAAARDED
22:29:50 <pikhq> ... Javascript, low-level?
22:30:12 <pikhq> I've seen complaints about Javascript before, but "low-level"?
22:30:43 <ehird> Is Pyjamas a bird or a plane?
22:30:43 <ehird> How come you can run python, then?
22:30:44 <ehird> You can't: browsers only support javascript. So, all source code - libraries and applications - are translated into pure javascript. No python is left. at all. Otherwise, it wouldn't work, would it?
22:30:46 <pikhq> The libraries for it aren't all that good, but that doesn't make something low-level.
22:30:46 <ehird> How does it work, then?
22:30:48 <ehird> It's magic. smoke. mirrors. the usual stuff.
22:30:58 <ehird> i would very much like this person to die
22:31:26 <ehird> Watch the Javascript Console.
22:31:27 <ehird> Watch the Javascript Console.
22:31:27 <ehird> Watch the Javascript Console.
22:31:27 <ehird> Did we say, and emphasise enough, that you need to watch the Javascript Console?
22:31:27 <ehird> You need to watch the javascript console.
22:31:27 <ehird> You need to watch the javascript console because that is where runtime javascript errors are shown. Most web applications are written so badly that the errors are usually silently ignored by browsers, so as not to frighten users. As a developer, you cannot ignore the errors (not if you expect to actually be able to write an app, that is...)
22:31:43 <pikhq> ehird: He claims it lets you do "declarative programming".
22:31:59 <pikhq> Yes... Because Python is what I think of when I think declarative programming...
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22:32:57 <ehird> def getBodyElement():
22:32:57 <ehird> JS(""" return $doc.body; """)
22:33:00 <ehird> string templating in js
22:33:03 <ehird> it doesn't get much better than this
22:33:06 <ehird> that or he actually named it $doc
22:33:12 <ehird> $ is for shorthand functions, stoopid
22:34:14 <pikhq> ehird: I still can't believe he thinks Javascript is low-level.
22:34:26 <pikhq> I vote we replace Javascript with Forth, and let him ponder. :P
22:34:42 <Sgeo> Where does it say, exactly, that he thinks JS is low-level
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22:35:17 <ehird> Sgeo: Maybe my direct quotes are just too vague huh
22:35:20 <ehird> You might have to scan whole sentences
22:35:25 <pikhq> "And, as you are writing in a much higher level language than Javascript, it's a darn sight easier."
22:35:37 <ehird> Anyway the FUNDAMENTAL NATURE of these toolkits SUCK
22:35:41 <pikhq> Also, "Javascript, a low-level alien language with weird complexities".
22:35:45 <ehird> If you are on the web, MAKE A WEB-LIKE DESIGN.
22:35:52 <ehird> MAKE IT *HYPERTEXT*, DAMMIT!
22:35:59 <ehird> DON'T emulate a stupdi widget GUI!
22:36:04 <nescience> you guys know lots of languages right? you should totally concoct a language where each command is written in a language selected based on the hash of the previous command.
22:36:04 <ehird> You are missing the point!
22:36:43 <pikhq> ehird: What they want is, essentially, Java applets.
22:36:55 <ehird> And you don't want Java applets. Ever. :P
22:36:57 <pikhq> (in other words: vomit)
22:37:32 <pikhq> ehird, sure. But you must admit that Java applets are a *significantly* better tool for what they want than AJAX.
22:37:39 <pikhq> (because it's at least *meant* to do that)
22:38:00 <ehird> Anyway, Sgeo, if you use it I will stab your heart out with a fork.
22:38:03 <pikhq> Unlike AJAX, which is, well, a massive pile of hacks.
22:38:47 <ehird> It's just an http client mechanism exposed to javascript.
22:38:58 <ehird> Hate the playa, not the game :P
22:39:12 <pikhq> I should specify further: the common usage of AJAX is a massive pile of hacks.
22:39:38 <ehird> incidentally, can i digress for a second and say that mobile internet plans really supersuck?
22:39:39 <ehird> £15/mo for 5GB, ffs
22:39:40 <pikhq> Instead of vaguely dynamic hypertext, we get applications! ... In a language meant for vaguely dynamic hypertext!
22:40:00 <ehird> orange are apparently offering unmetered broadband… between midnight and 9am…
22:40:03 <ehird> subject to "fair usage policy"
22:40:15 <pikhq> GregorR-L: We're not hating on JS. We're hating on people who believe that its abuse is a good software platform. ;)
22:40:19 <ehird> It costs less than that for 8mbit residential internet PLUS PHONE SERVICE.
22:40:31 <ehird> Heck, it costs less than that for 24mbit internet.
22:40:41 <pikhq> GregorR-L: Yes, but you don't believe that its abuse is a good software platform.
22:40:48 <pikhq> GregorR-L: You think that its abuse is fun to play with.
22:41:26 <Sgeo> What's Google Web Toolkit for? Does it get the same scorn as Pyjamas?
22:41:42 <pikhq> Sgeo: It's a Java -> Javascript compiler.
22:42:07 <Sgeo> So, what's so bad about Pyjamas compared to GWT?
22:42:16 <HackEgo> Like GWT, pyjamas involves the translation of the application and libraries ( including UI widgets and DOM classes) to Javascript and the packaging up of ... \ [15]Pyjamas Book - [16]Getting started - [17]Features - [18]Showcase
22:42:26 <pikhq> The author is more retarded than the authors of GWT.
22:42:34 <GregorR-L> Presumably Pyjamas is from Python? So it's dynamic -> dynamic.
22:42:55 <pikhq> Also, Pyjamas is not actually compiling Python to Javascript.
22:43:02 <Sgeo> Pyjamas is language I do know quite well -> Language I don't know that well
22:43:08 <pikhq> It's creating Python programs that generate Javascript.
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22:43:20 <pikhq> Erm. It's a libraries that lets you create ...
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22:43:33 <ehird_> Grumble grumble my grumble operating grumble system transparently-networked components grumble grumble
22:43:54 <ehird_> Pyjamas is not simply a Python→Javascript compiler
22:44:02 <ehird_> Fuckin' learn Javascript.
22:44:14 <ehird_> it is not acceptable to spew out crappy, bloated generated code.
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22:44:34 <GregorR-L> In my universe, it is always acceptable to spew crappy, bloated generated code.
22:44:37 <pikhq> Javascript most reminds me of Plof, only somewhat less dynamic.
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22:44:43 <ehird_> GregorR: Can you fix jsmips not to spew about every filesystem access?
22:44:48 * Sgeo vaguely considers making a calculator in Pyjamas, just to see ehird's reaction
22:45:06 <GregorR-L> ehird_: It was for when I was on a SUPER-slow connection, so I wouldn't think "is this broken or just slow" :P
22:45:15 <ehird_> Sgeo: Uh, "congratulations, you can do stupid shit"?
22:45:27 <ehird_> GregorR-L: it doesn't seem to cache the FS well
22:45:30 <ehird_> ls is quite slow each time
22:45:33 <ehird_> although the notes stop appearing
22:45:55 <ehird_> I'm tempted to do an ARM emulator in js
22:46:18 <GregorR-L> Feel free to steal or not steal whatever you don't want or want, respectively, from JSMIPS.
22:46:57 <pikhq> I suggest at least taking the terminal emulation and ELF loader.
22:47:05 <pikhq> Possibly also the FS stuff.
22:47:12 <ehird_> also the terminal emulation isn't his
22:47:20 <ehird_> and I want to make a real display
22:47:21 <pikhq> He patched it, though.
22:47:32 <GregorR-L> Ahhh, you want a full ARM emulator.
22:47:45 <GregorR-L> Which is to say, you want something that will amazingly be EVEN SLOWER than JSMIPS.
22:48:00 <ehird_> compile code directly :<
22:48:24 * pikhq hasn't tried jsmips in 3.5
22:48:36 <pikhq> Let's see how much improvement we get from a JIT'ing Javascript.
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22:49:28 <ehird_> pikhq: i still have the faster js engine :>
22:50:24 <pikhq> I thought that Firefox 3.5 actually had a faster JS engine than Safari, though?
22:50:34 <ehird_> GregorR-L: what happened to jsmmix or whatever
22:50:43 <pikhq> IIRC, it's about on par with early releases of Chrome.
22:50:55 <ehird_> SquirrelFish Extreme... aka Nitro...
22:51:04 <GregorR-L> JS only guarantees 32-bit integers, so MMIX was godawfully slow 64-bit emulation everywhere.
22:51:31 <GregorR-L> JS has numbers which are stored as floats or integers depending on use.
22:51:37 <ehird_> that's not specified yet
22:51:50 <GregorR-L> And yet, EVERYBODY does it that way :P
22:52:05 <ehird_> GregorR-L: Yes, but I've never seen a JS engine that only does 32-bit integers
22:52:32 <GregorR-L> Do you mean "only" as in "and not 64-bit integers"?
22:52:46 <GregorR-L> Because I'm yet to find one that does 64-bit integers at all.
22:53:10 <ehird_> javascript:alert(2147483648);
22:53:47 <GregorR-L> Fairly certain that fits into a double.
22:54:37 <GregorR-L> Besides, the bitwise operations are all over 32-bit integers.
22:54:44 <ehird_> GregorR-L: gimme a number that doesn't
22:54:54 <GregorR-L> I'm at work, so no, I'm not going to poke around at that :P
22:55:11 <ehird_> hmm javascript:alert((2147483648<<1)>>1); DOES give 0 here
22:55:53 <pikhq> Jebus, that's slow.
22:56:00 <pikhq> Very spiffy, but slow.
22:56:59 <GregorR-L> Because 'vi' is quite usable here.
22:57:08 <pikhq> It took me a while just to get #!/bin/sh started.
22:57:34 <pikhq> How's the filesystem access work? AJAX to the server to fetch stuff?
22:57:42 <ehird_> [[Implanted RFID chips encoded with your genetic code which can then be verified with a simple genetic test using blood taken from a random spot on your body. Also implanted with it, a GPS tracking device so people will know where you are at if someone is trying to attempt identity theft which will leave a trail for investigators to follow if ever a crime is committed.
22:57:43 <ehird_> Just part of it, we could also have other redundant methods of checking, like finger print scans (I have one on my laptop) or retina, or just facial recognition software. All of this would be backed up by the GPS device, Audio/Visual surveillance and monitoring of internet and phone activity for data mining, should it become necessary.]]
22:57:47 <pikhq> Okay, that's why it's slow. XD
22:57:52 <ehird_> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgghhhhhhhhhh
22:58:00 <ehird_> we must kill this person post-haste
22:58:04 <ehird_> pikhq: it caches, so try the command again
22:58:18 <ehird_> oh "You do realize I've been joking this whole time, right? I thought it was obvious, but based on some people's reactions, I'm starting to get worried..."
22:58:37 <pikhq> ehird_: STABBY STABBY STABBY
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22:59:05 <pikhq> GregorR-L: Nice work, BTW.
22:59:27 <GregorR-L> I'm so many months past actually caring about JSMIPS :P
22:59:44 <pikhq> GregorR-L: Yes, I noticed.
22:59:59 <pikhq> 4 months since the last commit (except for the commit making it valid XHTML 1.1).
23:00:33 <GregorR-L> The XHTML 1.1 commit was one day after I installed a script that will harass me if it finds any non-compliant visible files on Codu :P
23:00:33 <pikhq> GregorR-L: Anyways. What userspace you running there? Few hacked up programs, or Busybox, or what?
23:01:16 <pikhq> So, classic UNIX, basically.
23:01:19 <GregorR-L> pikhq: busybox is too Linux-dependent. bash I got working once but it was slow (actually it'd probably be faster now)
23:02:38 * pikhq waits as ls fetches the entire contents of /bin/
23:03:55 <GregorR-L> Actually, what's dumb is my implementation of stat.
23:04:34 <pikhq> GregorR-L: But after that, I can play with everything!
23:04:54 <GregorR-L> Until something kills your console and you have to refresh ;)
23:05:13 <pikhq> Not worth it. I can play when I get high-speed Internets.
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23:25:20 <AnMaster> <pikhq> 4 months since the last commit (except for the commit making it valid XHTML 1.1).
23:27:43 <ehird_> i hope AnMaster eventually dedicates his life to annoying me
23:28:05 <ehird_> i'll become a zealot of not jumping off cliffs
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23:42:34 <Warrigal> Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your hats!
23:43:14 <ehird_> [spoiler]DONT HELP HIM[/spoiler]
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