00:02:20 <Sgeo> I thought Feather was unimplementable?
00:03:01 <Sgeo> Or are we waiting for the spec? Or is my memory pure crap>?
00:03:26 <ehird> It is probably implementable.
00:03:39 <ehird> ais523 is implementing it to figure out what the spec is, I think is the basic idea.
00:04:45 <Sgeo> Is making and distributing MIDIs of copyrighted songs considered copyright violation?
00:05:30 <coppro> you know what shouldn't annoy me but does?
00:05:31 <Sgeo> So AWI comitted copyright violations?
00:06:03 <Sgeo> Active Worlds Incorporated, I think
00:06:20 <ehird> *committed, and I wouldn't call a victimless crime something you can commit.
00:06:21 <coppro> When I get all worked up about downloading something that I feel really bad for doing (e.g. an indy game) and then discover it's on a CC license
00:07:19 <ehird> ah, the guilt of one who, somewhere in their mind, has a vague, denied feeling that this amazing sharing technology can't be immoral but still deludes themself into thinking it is so.
00:08:33 <coppro> ehird: I don't feel the same level of guilt for things made by idiot companies - it's only indie stuff
00:08:48 <ehird> totally irrelevant to what i said
00:09:12 <coppro> ehird: I was responding to the underlying sarcasm
00:09:25 <ehird> actually, any underlying point had nothing to do with that either
00:10:20 <Sgeo> Mutation (in Active Worlds) played MIDId versions of the Conan the Barbarian theme, Lothlorien, a Tomb Raider song, a FF7 song, a song from the Fifth Element, and probably some others I don't remember offhand
00:11:13 <ehird> It's user-created, isn't it?
00:11:51 <coppro> Is it really relevant?
00:11:57 <Sgeo> Mutation, yes, although it was known to everyone
00:12:18 <Sgeo> An AWI world did play MIDId versions of copyrighted stuff, though
00:13:24 <ehird> coppro: Sgeo has an obsession about every aspect of old VR games (mostly Active Worlds) that borders on the creepily unhealthy.
00:13:38 <coppro> ehird: yeah, I've noticed
00:14:09 <Sgeo> AWGate played MIDId versions of Come on Eileen, Africa, Breakfast at Tiffany's, Closing Time, Flagpole Sitta, Another Brick in the Wall, Losing my Religion, Zoot Suit Riot, and much more
00:14:15 <ehird> If it wasn't amusing I'd be tying him and Rugxlo or however you spell it together and dumping them in the middle of the Amazon
00:14:29 <Sgeo> (and AWGate is owned by AWI)
00:15:51 <coppro> a) yes, that's infringement
00:16:34 <ehird> "It is the responsibility of every citizen to ignore dumb laws." —Ian Clarke
00:18:04 <coppro> Copyright is, more or less, a type of law that's designed to provide remedies for egregious circumstances and ignore the trivial ones
00:18:25 <ehird> I have absolutely NO doubt that that was NOT on the minds of ANY of the lawmakers that produced copyright.
00:18:39 <coppro> It wouldn't have conciously been in mind, no
00:18:55 <ehird> And it fails terribly at that, FWIW
00:19:10 <ehird> I'd also disagree strongly that the circumstances it kicks in are egregious — *any* of them
00:19:15 <coppro> because the Internet came and screwed everything up
00:19:24 <ehird> They certainly are if you come at them from the old way of thinking...
00:19:36 <ehird> Personally I'm not a fan of neo-Ludditism, though.
00:20:24 <coppro> ehird: I'm talking things like someone mass-marketing copies of a film.
00:21:06 <ehird> And probably you would be surprised to find out that I don't think copyright has a place there either.
00:21:15 <coppro> because we've had this talk before
00:21:24 <coppro> I disagree with your opinion, though
00:21:51 <ehird> Nonsense; we all know that I am unable to have rational debate and just cover up for my ignorance with childish insults. Uh, unless that was another coppro.
00:23:31 <ehird> *buys a trackball*
00:24:56 * ehird attempts to decide between writing his document authoring tool and writing an httpd
00:25:16 <ehird> document authoring tool: more unique, less interesting
00:25:20 <ehird> httpd: less unique, more interesting
00:26:40 <ehird> httpd would be a lot more challenging, too, although perhaps easier
00:27:01 <ehird> i don't think that's a contradiction
00:31:39 <ehird> to use. httpd is more of a fun reinvention thing, but document authoring tools are seriously subpar.
00:57:00 <augur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfV93ZMSmOQ&feature=related
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12:20:09 <oklokok> augur: probably the most boring thing i've ever heard
12:21:15 <oklokok> well okay the elements are great, but there isn't enough for more than a minute of music
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15:48:17 <fax> is it possible to make a program that computes a random sequence if you have a halting oracle?
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17:41:42 <oerjan> <fax> is it possible to make a program that computes a random sequence if you have a halting oracle?
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17:41:52 <oerjan> depends on your definition of random i would assume...
17:43:15 <oerjan> random as in no pattern detectable by any computable program, maybe...
17:44:23 <fax> oh hmm a finite sequence is not random?
17:44:28 <oerjan> however, it might still be possible to detect it if you had a halting oracle of the next degree (for the language with the first halting oracle included)
17:46:10 <oerjan> hm with kolmogorov complexity a finite sequence is random if it is incompressible, isn't it.
17:46:31 <oerjan> a halting oracle might be able to verify that.
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17:47:20 <fax> in that case I think we could generate every terminating program (size less than n) that produces a length n sequence and take the biggest sequences
17:47:55 <fax> so you should be able to generate randomness (other than chaitins omega) with a halting oracle
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18:13:18 <Warrigal> Chaitin's omega is random enough.
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19:12:04 <AnMaster> anything better than graphviz for making an ER diagram (needed for current module at uni. Otherwise I wouldn't do this)
19:12:21 <AnMaster> graphviz is basically a pain for this.
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19:15:28 <oerjan> once again, sound financial advice there
19:19:38 * AnMaster is wondering slightly why neither inkscape nor firefox seems to handle underlined text in svgs.
19:19:49 <AnMaster> I checked the spec to make sure I was correct
19:21:57 <AnMaster> oh ffs. Now I'm really annoyed. I should have *known* CTAN would have something for it
19:23:22 <AnMaster> PGF hm. Never heard of it before. Seems to be in texlive though
19:24:31 <AnMaster> hm the ER part doesn't seem to be default. At least I can't locate that
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19:28:13 <AnMaster> oh yay /usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/pgf/frontendlayer/tikz/libraries/tikzlibraryer.code.tex is there
19:29:29 <AnMaster> oh hm not texlive. Have it for some other unknown reason
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20:48:56 <ehird> Huh, x'y" ~= x.y m
20:49:16 <ehird> For a sufficiently vague definition of ~=
20:49:31 <ehird> 1'44" = 1.42 m, at least
20:53:29 * ehird nabs a Logitech TrackMan Marble for £20.07
20:53:32 <Deewiant> And selecting x and y how? That's also 4'8" :-P
20:53:32 <ehird> (including shipping)
20:53:34 <ehird> 16:31:39 <ehird> to use. httpd is more of a fun reinvention thing, but document authoring tools are seriously subpar.
20:53:34 <ehird> 16:34:39 <coppro> Agree!
20:53:51 <ehird> Deewiant: Erm... ignore me, I'm ... stupid >_<
20:54:07 <ehird> 16:54:41 <bsmntbombdood> wtf is a document authoring tool
20:54:15 <ehird> a document format + a processor for this format
20:55:04 <oerjan> stupid + HELPFUL = dAnGeRoUs MaDnEsS
20:56:56 <ehird> can't believe how cheap that trackball is :|
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21:04:34 <ehird> and the only cure is less stupid references
21:04:42 <oklopol> it was fun at first to have such a different sort of imagination, but i cannot do math, not at all.
21:05:26 <oklopol> and that's not math, i can execute algorithms just fine
21:05:57 <ehird> everything is an algorithm!
21:06:13 <oklopol> well yes i mean i can execute deterministic algorithms
21:07:05 <oerjan> oklopol is not yet quantum
21:07:41 <ehird> oklopol: everything is deterministic
21:08:01 <ehird> just construct the simulated universe so that it has no patterns like the numbers you give to it as random!
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21:13:06 <ehird> i have two (2) submissions to t-rex is lonely
21:13:10 <ehird> 1. the first two panels of today's comic
21:13:14 <ehird> 2. the first two and last panels of today's comic
21:13:32 <oklopol> did t-rex is so lonely continue?
21:13:43 <ehird> http://lonelydino.com/
21:14:19 <fax> horrible plagarism
21:14:20 <ehird> http://lonelydino.com/?id=75 xD
21:14:31 <ehird> fax: the word is plagiarism, and how on earth is it plagiarism?
21:14:39 <ehird> it's a derivative work, yes; it's not plagiarism
21:14:52 <AnMaster> <Deewiant> And selecting x and y how? That's also 4'8" :-P <-- how many " makes up a ' ?
21:15:14 <Deewiant> Should be inferrable from that exchange
21:15:31 <ehird> Or maybe he just doesn't want to hand you stuff on a silver platter
21:15:34 <Deewiant> You'd've googled it in the time you've spent thus far
21:15:51 <ehird> Deewiant: AnMaster doesn't BELIIIIIIIIIEVE in google
21:16:04 <AnMaster> ehird, correct. Like you said you didn't believe in paper.
21:16:40 <ehird> That is true, out-of-context and completely irrelevant.
21:16:54 <ehird> Congratulations. You have reached the Altar of the Stupid Trifecta!
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21:36:32 <ehird_> http://22.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kqd6xcT6AP1qzqhmeo1_500.jpg
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21:47:13 <ehird> ah colloquy, you and your ninja nick-grabbing
21:47:19 <ehird> no ghosting for you, just wait... and... pounce
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21:52:04 <ehird> http://14.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ks8bucdZ4W1qz4rgro1_500.png
21:52:05 <ehird> DEBIAN USERS: So generous
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21:59:08 <ehird> Should have specified. Statistics from a pay-as-much-as-you-want system.
21:59:13 <ehird> Game, World of Goo.
22:00:20 <Deewiant> Based on how many times the links generated to a given person were retrieved, or what?
22:00:24 <ehird> http://2dboy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bycountry.png
22:00:24 <ehird> SWISS DEBIAN USERS: They love you
22:00:35 <ehird> Deewiant: Presumably you can only buy one.
22:00:52 <Deewiant> Nope, I got it and it gives you links for all the platforms.
22:01:05 <ehird> In the pay-what-you-want system?
22:01:15 <ehird> Maybe they set up a "WHICH PLATFORM WILL YOU USE THIS ON LULZ" field?
22:01:19 <ehird> I guess you'd remember.
22:01:22 <Deewiant> I know, because I have the .tar.gz, mac one, and windows one.
22:01:30 <ehird> WHAT DO YOU HATE DEBIAN OR SOMETHING
22:01:46 <Deewiant> I don't actually recall a .deb there at all. :-P
22:01:49 <ehird> You probably paid like -$0.01
22:01:54 <Deewiant> But it's the same thing as the .tar.gz anyway.
22:01:56 <ehird> Deewiant: DO YOU HATE RPMS
22:02:14 <Deewiant> I don't really know enough about them to have an opinion.
22:02:25 <ehird> Well they hate you. Because you PASSED THEM BY
22:02:38 <Deewiant> Anyway, I paid $4 once and $1 once.
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22:35:04 <ais523> I haven't seen you here for a while...
22:35:10 <ais523> have I just not been paying attention?
22:35:28 <ehird> I was here on the weekend.
22:35:34 <ehird> but not for a week before, thereabouts
22:39:00 <Ilari> Can anybody guess what causes this: "relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.text' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC". :-)
22:39:15 <Ilari> (ld error message)
22:39:32 <ehird> Yes, you're using dynamic linking. Stop that
22:40:23 <Ilari> Adding -fPIC to line doesn't do anything to that error...
22:46:34 <Ilari> (answer: Trying to link X64 object file into X86 shared library).
22:47:30 <SimonRC> Ilari: it says recompile with -fPIC, not re-link
22:48:12 <SimonRC> unless you know that R_X86_64_32 means turning 64-bit code into 32-bit code or whatever
22:48:20 <Ilari> Actually, for that file, it is "Re-Assemble".
22:48:21 <ehird> Deewiant: the fukka switches suck yeah?
22:49:28 <ehird> the filco font is nice
22:51:02 <ehird> http://i.imgur.com/mmw3Z.png
22:53:25 <ehird> do you want a hee-larie-us corruption of that name, SimonRC?
22:53:29 <ehird> i could give it a try.
22:53:52 <ehird> oerjan: shut up, they ruined the rayman franchise
22:54:02 <ehird> </obscure-by-being-unobscure>
22:54:40 <oerjan> </obtuse-by-not-having-a-clue>
22:56:08 <oerjan> google/wp to the rescue
22:56:21 <oerjan> hm is that like gnu/linux
22:56:36 <oerjan> or the other way around
22:57:06 <oerjan> that picture looks rabid enough
22:57:56 * SimonRC played Rayman 2 for the conworlding
22:58:42 <oerjan> *wreckdit might be better speeling
22:59:10 <ehird> SimonRC: rayman 2's music is awesome
22:59:28 <ehird> kinda silly thing to say, everything about it is awesome :P
23:00:13 <ehird> it's even well-coded enough that you can run it in widescreen and there's no glitches... although you have to edit an .ini to set it
23:00:23 <ehird> dunno if forcing anti-aliasing works; prolly
23:02:27 <ehird> haha python sucks so much (correction: rc is so much cooler)
23:02:39 <ehird> (THE ONLY THINGS THAT MATTER)
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23:07:25 <_[]> yay it was free
23:12:25 <ais523> _[]: what language is that?
23:12:46 <_[]> ais523, my nick? none?
23:12:55 <_[]> Deewiant, true
23:13:05 <_[]> it could be valid befunge too
23:13:13 <ais523> it's also probably valid Prolog, on the basis that most strings of punctuation marks are valid Prolog
23:13:14 <_[]> well, almost everything could
23:13:20 <ais523> although IIRC square brackets can be an exception
23:13:29 <_[]> Deewiant, no. Not the bytes 1 1 1
23:13:41 <Deewiant> _[]: It's valid. It's a program that never halts.
23:13:47 <_[]> ais523, probably valid perl?
23:14:05 <ais523> _ is a bareword in that context
23:14:11 <ais523> oh, it is valid Perl, in the right context
23:14:20 <ais523> it calls a function called _ on a reference to an empty list
23:14:22 <_[]> ais523, it's the secret easter egg. to erase your harddrive
23:14:28 <_[]> ais523, XD
23:14:33 <ais523> but that means you have to define a function called _ first
23:14:37 <ais523> and nobody would really want to do that
23:14:54 <ais523> as it's a silly name for a function
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23:15:45 <ais523> "sub _ {print shift,"\n";} _[]" gives me the output ARRAY(0x8f6d880)
23:16:00 <ais523> []_ is probably a syntax error, though
23:16:13 <ais523> <Perl> Bareword found where operator expected at - line 1, near "]_"
23:16:16 <[]_> ais523, on top of all users lists but ##c it seems
23:16:24 <[]_> some [1]st<something> is on top
23:16:29 * []_ is too lazy top copy it
23:16:46 <ais523> ChanServ's beating you on user lists where it's there too
23:16:50 <ehird> so what is o good about the name _[]?
23:16:51 <ais523> because my client sorts ops to the top
23:16:58 <ais523> ehird: is your s key working properly?
23:17:08 <ais523> ehird: it's valid Perl! in the right context...
23:17:33 <ehird> This channel is PG-13! sometimes.
23:18:29 <ais523> anyway, I could do with some on-topic conversation, given that I've been teaching Java all
23:18:30 <[]_> * rizzuh is now known as [0]_1
23:18:30 <[]_> <[0]_1> YAY!
23:18:30 <[]_> <Wulf_> Mortimon: what is nonworking?
23:18:30 <[]_> <ab9rf> frickenate: maybe your platform doesn't really support getrusage
23:18:30 <[]_> <[0]_1> []_, in your face #2!
23:18:30 <[]_> * [0]_1 is now known as rizzuh
23:18:35 <ais523> I need decontamination
23:18:47 <[]_> ais523, I need to sleep soon
23:18:58 <ehird> ais523: have you no ethics?
23:19:03 <[]_> ais523, and teaching java. eww
23:19:43 <SimonRC> I have been coding Java a lot of the day.
23:20:02 <ehird> SimonRC: yes, but you work for an enterprisey corporation and have no soul :P
23:20:05 <ais523> woah, what happened to <http://select.intercal.org.uk/>?
23:20:06 <SimonRC> ratehr verbose, and crap in some ways, but gives me a few new and interesting ways to think
23:20:10 <ais523> the rest of the website is still there
23:20:16 <ais523> but the homepage seems to have gone mostly missing
23:20:17 <ehird> SimonRC: in much the same way as alcohol
23:20:35 <ais523> <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Vim 7.2 with a bit of help from my cat" />
23:20:46 <ais523> ugh, not ddsh editor, he really is slipping
23:20:50 <SimonRC> ehird: I work for a small company on an [Aa]gile team, but the company works for [redacted] who aren't too bright at times
23:21:17 <ehird> ooh, is it agile as in strict methodology agile? sweet, it's like meeting a cultist!
23:21:33 <ehird> ais523: i guess cc (that's his initials right?) gave up on life and jumped off a bridge or something, gotta tie up those loose ends beforehandn
23:21:37 <SimonRC> for example, I would never have thought of testing C using mock functions had it not been for JAva
23:21:51 <ehird> ah, claudio l. c.?
23:21:57 <ehird> not as in CLaudio C.
23:22:09 <SimonRC> I don't know how Agile we are, but we try to do things in tiny steps
23:22:15 <ais523> to http://clc.intercal.org.uk/
23:22:21 <SimonRC> and we do write unit tests
23:22:33 <ehird> http://lepton.kuonet-ng.org/ick-0.-2.0.29.pax.gz is down, btw
23:22:45 <ais523> <reinstate.intercal.org.uk> Your comment is subject to review, and will normally be included below: the review is simply to exclude unacceptable language (such as Java)
23:22:45 <ehird> ais523: both pages previously existed
23:22:46 <SimonRC> I think what we do is called bright people managed well
23:22:53 <ais523> ehird: clc.intercal.org.uk is new since I last looked
23:22:59 <ehird> ais523: hmm, no idea
23:23:03 <ais523> (there was c.intercal.org.uk but not clc.intercal.org.uk)
23:23:10 <SimonRC> I keep droping hints about Scala, but nothing is changin yet
23:23:16 <ehird> SimonRC: what a great description; "we are clever and we do things well"
23:23:37 <ehird> What is http://overload.intercal.org.uk/favicon.png, anyway?
23:24:05 <ehird> ais523: i wonder if c-intercal will work on my distro (probably)
23:24:15 <SimonRC> I know marginally more about management than you do about processor design
23:24:23 -!- []_ has changed nick to {}_.
23:24:28 <ehird> [[C-INTERCAL has long shipped with code to make it run better on Emacs;
23:24:28 <ehird> clearly this is biased. This latest beta, therefore, includes support
23:24:28 <ehird> for syntax-highlighting for vi, in the hope of redressing the balance.]]
23:24:28 <ehird> this is a lie; vim is not vi
23:24:33 <ais523> in theory, it should work on anything
23:24:37 <ais523> ehird: ouch, good catch
23:24:40 <{}_> the reason for this
23:24:43 <ehird> (Emacs is close enough to a synonym as GNU Emacs, but vi is not vim by a long shot)
23:24:45 <ais523> clearly, the only solution is to patch vi so it works on that too
23:24:50 <{}_> is that {}_ and []_ maps differently on hyperion
23:24:55 <{}_> but won't on their future ircd
23:24:56 <ais523> thus making the statement technically correct
23:25:06 <ehird> ais523: they did that it's called elvis :P
23:25:16 <ais523> oh, in that case the statement's technically correct already
23:25:30 <ehird> elvis is The Other Extended Vi
23:25:34 <ehird> it isn't vim compatible or anything
23:25:37 <ehird> and it's older than vim, IIRC
23:25:45 <ehird> (elvis is more minimal than vim, naturally)
23:25:50 <ais523> is vim genetically vi?
23:26:02 <ehird> vim is kind of un-vilike
23:26:14 <ehird> but people who want a vi just ignore the vimmy parts because it's the most modern vi clone at its core
23:26:41 <ais523> {}_: http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Acme-Don-t-1.01/t.pm was linked from reddit today, I'm hoping the syntax will horrify you sufficiently
23:26:52 <ais523> ehird: I'm the sort of person who'd rather have a vim than a vi
23:26:53 <ehird> ais523: anyway, static binaries + a.out + tiny kernel with lots of things omitted and some uncommon choices + newlib + non-gcc compiler (probably pcc)
23:27:03 <ehird> do you think C-INTERCAL would work?
23:27:13 <ais523> ehird: if it doesn't, that's a bug
23:27:26 <ais523> in fact, if it doesn't work on a PDP-11, that's a bug
23:27:27 <ehird> but do you think it will? I guess so
23:27:32 <ais523> but I'm not entirely sure how easy that would be to test
23:27:51 <ais523> (the reason the most recent release was marked beta was that it hasn't been tested at all on anything but Linux)
23:27:53 <ehird> pdp-11 emulators are available, I believe
23:28:12 <ais523> ehird: I went to a load of effort trying to make autotools act how it actually should act
23:28:15 <ais523> rather than how it does ac
23:28:18 <ehird> ais523: I think I tried it on OS X at one point
23:28:19 <ehird> and reported on it
23:28:23 <ais523> all that portability effort has to go somwhere
23:28:32 <{}_> <ais523> {}_: http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Acme-Don-t-1.01/t.pm was linked from reddit today, I'm hoping the syntax will horrify you sufficiently *looks*
23:28:51 <ehird> that *looks* is very ambiguously attributed
23:28:57 <ehird> ais523: don't worry, making this distro will result in my becoming an expert at mangling autotools systetms
23:28:59 <SimonRC> actually there is a real PDP-11 online somewhere
23:29:05 <ehird> and i will hate it
23:29:10 <{}_> ais523, it makes me laugh
23:29:10 <SimonRC> you can toggle in your own bootloaders even
23:29:14 <ais523> more fun, Perl doesn't exactly allow ' in identifiers, which might be your first reaction on seeing that
23:29:19 <ais523> yet the code is still syntactically correct
23:29:55 <ehird> How is it distinguishable from not allowing them?
23:29:57 <ais523> very simple source, yes
23:30:01 <ais523> ehird: it's namespacing
23:30:06 <ais523> don't is legacy syntax for don::t
23:30:21 <ais523> and the module itself is ACME::Don::t
23:30:28 <ehird> I was wondering why it was Don::t
23:30:35 <SimonRC> apostrophes are an ADAism aren't they?
23:30:54 <ais523> incidentally, Ada is very strongly one of the languages that INTERCAL isn't
23:30:57 <{}_> <ais523> more fun, Perl doesn't exactly allow ' in identifiers, which might be your first reaction on seeing that <-- it doesn't? didn't know
23:31:11 <ehird> ais523: C-INTERCAL does funny stuff with the stack, doesn't it?
23:31:11 <ais523> {}_: seriously, how many languages allow ' in identifiers?
23:31:24 <ehird> Special thanks go to Joris Huizer, Elliot Hird, Arvid Norlander,
23:31:24 <ehird> I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU
23:31:30 <{}_> ais523, erlang? using backslashes
23:31:39 <ais523> ehird: not really, it messes around with setjmp and longjmp but it's all in a strictly portable way
23:31:39 <{}_> ais523, like 'an\'atom'
23:31:55 <ehird> SimonRC: Two Ts two Ts two Ts!
23:32:00 <{}_> ais523, probably scheme too?
23:32:08 <ehird> Scheme has a'b as a (quote b)
23:32:16 <ais523> ehird: what if you use vertical bars too?
23:32:30 <ehird> ais523: portable in theory yes, but in practice?
23:32:32 <ais523> oh, btw, I rewrote the elisp CGI script in Perl, to save my sanity
23:32:35 <ais523> it only took about an hour
23:32:43 <ais523> strangely, the result wasn't a CGI script, it turned out that that bit was unnecessary
23:32:43 <ehird> joey hess reported a C-INTERCAL bug? haha
23:32:53 <ais523> ehird: he /was/ its maintainer
23:33:10 <ais523> Debian maintainer, that is
23:33:14 <ais523> so he was downstream, I was upstream
23:33:27 <{}_> joey hess?
23:33:40 <ais523> apparently he's done quite a lot of things
23:33:46 <ais523> so it's ironic that I only know him via INTERCAL
23:34:27 <ehird> Joey Hess is the main guy behind Debian-Installer, all-round Debian guy, Palm Pre hacker, creator of ikiwiki...
23:34:43 <ehird> ikiwiki probably being the most publicly visible of those
23:34:53 <SimonRC> argh accomplished people envy envy envy
23:35:42 <ehird> i wouldn't call him exactly accomplished; he had a post on his blog recently about he pays for almost nothing by sheer luck iirc
23:35:46 <ehird> I may be misremembering it slightly
23:35:54 <ehird> cool, though, definitely
23:37:06 <ehird> http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/nethack/ add another item: "nethack player"
23:37:56 <ais523> I have a copy of his C-INTERCAL Debianisation git repo
23:37:59 <ais523> to prevent it being lost
23:39:02 <ais523> not that anyone at Debian's been particularly eager to unorphan the package...
23:40:34 <ehird> I'll maintain a package for $distro_name!
23:48:13 <{}_> ehird, you could call it that
23:48:16 <{}_> $distro_name
23:48:28 <{}_> it would be nice
23:48:36 <ehird> dns forbids me for naming a domain that.
23:48:58 <{}_> ehird, good point
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