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00:08:07 <kmc> lambdabot just sent the link
00:09:41 <copumpkin> I'm pretty awesome at coding in C/C++
00:10:18 <BillyZane> it's amazing when you learn something new
00:10:47 <BillyZane> i didn't know C/C++ was an actual language, i thought it referred to C and C++
00:10:58 <Bike> good thing we have this information database.
00:11:01 <Bike> @where smalltalk
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00:12:08 <Bike> I think http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/smalltalk.html should be somewhere.
00:12:12 <Bike> http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/smalltalk_files/dpbs_figure1.gif
00:13:37 <zzo38> shachaf: It doesn't work (obviously) because, it is not a proper format.
00:15:13 <zzo38> Don't you know that if you write HELP CMODE then it will tell you what +s is for?
00:15:29 <Bike> Oh, I did, but I forgot. Thanks.
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00:15:51 <Bike> "Channel will not be shown in /whois and /list etc." so, useless
00:16:02 <elliott> what if you have a super secret channel?
00:25:03 <zzo38> There is some new Pokemon game, I don't think it actually exist but they say it is available for PC, Nintendo DS, and GameCube. They also say, if you hold all the key except PrintScreen, ScrollLock, and Pause, you can make all of your pokemons at level 100.
00:26:18 <zzo38> If you delete a level 100 pokemon then the next one you catch will be level 101. If you sell 99 fuses to a store, go out, and come back in, they will sell you a Dark badge. If you sell all of the badges in the game (including Dark badge) to the same store, they will give you a free steel belt which maxes the stats of any pokemon it is attached to.
00:27:48 <zzo38> If you stand on your head, on top of the computer monitor, and say "bloobloo pie is good so I like it", then your older sister will come in and say "What the heck are you doing?" and then you will lose. In the GameCube version, if you name your first Pokemon by your mother's last name in Italian, that pokemon will have its highest form when you get it.
00:28:46 <zzo38> In the PC version, if you use an attack with 0 PP left, it will display the message "Sorry but your pokemon is tired of using that move and will attack you now. Good-bye." and then it will delete your save file and reboot the computer.
00:29:25 <Bike> And if you play the Lavender Town theme backwards a skeleton poops out?
00:29:43 <zzo38> It doesn't say that, but maybe.
00:31:39 <kmc> zzo38 is starting Pokérumours
00:31:53 <Bike> tell us about the pokégods, zzo.
00:32:19 <zzo38> I have also been told that your character's mother always walks into walls.
00:34:57 <kmc> sing us a song, you're the pokémon
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02:10:43 <kmc> keycap picture insert mode appreciation thread! ⎈⇧⇥␣←→↑↓⇞⇟⇱⇲⎀⌦↵⌫⎋
02:11:04 <Bike> are we... in a thread
02:11:13 <Lumpio-> itt lots of unicode characters
02:11:19 <Lumpio-> The first one to post a snowman gets a prize
02:11:35 <kmc> this channel is composed almost entirely of unicode characters
02:12:20 <Bike> some of the topic, because zzo38 always makes it shift-jis
02:12:31 <kmc> i don't have an example, but IRC does allow sending arbitrary bytes, and someone may have sent bytes intending them to represent a character which isn't in unicode
02:12:35 <kmc> like klingon letters
02:12:46 <kmc> shift-jis is an encoding for a subset of Unicode, isn't it
02:12:56 <kmc> (retroactively)
02:13:00 <kmc> also does he really do that
02:14:37 <zzo38> Shift-JIS isn't very good either; Shift-JIS does not follow principle of extended ASCII.
02:14:40 <pikhq> Sometimes an Xchat user emits Latin-1 instead.
02:14:48 <pikhq> Though, Latin-1 is just UCS-1.
02:15:06 <Bike> the ascii is good, the penis is evil
02:15:28 <pikhq> I dunno, penises are good.
02:17:13 <madb4rd> im glad to always have one within range
02:18:22 <Lumpio-> With about fifteen different kinds of modes and "locking shifts"
02:18:36 <Lumpio-> Because WE'RE JAPAN WE CAN'T DO IT THE EASY WAY
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02:19:53 <kmc> ISO-2022 is ♫ the worst ♫
02:20:31 <pikhq> ISO 2022 almost makes sense when you know it can be 7-bit clean.
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02:20:57 <kmc> so can UTF-7 :)
02:21:50 <pikhq> Yeah, it's not Unicode so it sucks by default. :P
02:22:39 <zzo38> Unicode is bad too, though.
02:23:32 <Jafet> Japan still has the last laugh... on the emoji block.
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02:24:22 <Lumpio-> I think anything that requires 7-bit characters should be destroyed
02:24:46 <Lumpio-> Followed by some form of torture for whoever was still running such a system
02:25:02 <Bike> i think that conflicts with ascii!!
02:25:33 <kmc> i read "Java still has the last laugh"
02:26:50 <Jafet> That was probably sexist sorry
02:28:33 <zzo38> If something is requiring 7-bit characters doesn't necessarily make them bad
02:28:43 <zzo38> Or, even 6-bit or 5-bit
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02:32:01 <Jafet> > generalCategory '💩'
02:32:02 <lambdabot> mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character)
02:32:34 <Jafet> That character is 8-bit dirty
02:32:54 <Jafet> > generalCategory '\128169'
02:37:11 * kmc wonders if calling something "micro-optimization" implies disapproval
02:37:20 <kmc> there's definitely a place for micro-optimization
02:37:23 <Bike> contextual, i think
02:37:41 <Bike> usually i see 'premature optimization' as the disapproving one, since we all have a little knuth in our heads i guess?
02:37:56 <kmc> different meaning though, i think
02:47:32 <kmc> i guess there are a few different things people discourage
02:47:53 <kmc> optimizing before you need to, optimizing things that don't matter, writing overly clever code that the compiler would do better if you wrote it naively
02:47:59 <kmc> but each of these is contextual
02:48:52 <kmc> http://www.linux-kongress.org/2009/slides/compiler_survey_felix_von_leitner.pdf is a really nice slide deck about the last of those
02:49:03 <zzo38> I am sure, it does depend on circumstsances; premature optimization is not always bad.
02:49:07 <zzo38> But it is usually bad.
02:49:59 <Jafet> Premature optimization sounds premature
02:51:23 <kmc> if it's not bad then I would say it was not premature, although you can only say for sure in retrospect
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02:51:53 <elliott> premature optimisation is obviously bad by definition
02:51:58 <kmc> there can also be higher level effects like "if we let our programmers optimize this, they will be entertained now, and less stressed out later"
02:52:02 <zzo38> Well, OK, I suppose that is how you meant by "premature"; it makes sense.
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03:18:51 <kmc> iconv: conversion to `baudot' is not supported
03:20:38 <Fiora> "Note: ”rep ; ret” works around a shortcoming in the Opteron branch
03:20:39 <Fiora> prediction logic, saving a few cycles. Very few humans know this."
03:20:50 <Fiora> good thing I'm not actually human, nya!
03:22:27 <zzo38> It doesn't matter. It says very few, rather than nothing at all.
03:23:06 <Fiora> oh geez, people trying to ""optimize"" i*0x01010101
03:23:53 <zzo38> Many optimizations have to depend on the computer, meaning it will be suitable for assembly language but not necessarily in C.
03:24:39 <Bike> Fiora: ? like other than shifts or
03:25:45 <Fiora> I meant like, writing it in a fancier fashion to try to make it "faster"
03:25:50 <Fiora> instead of letting the compiler pick the right way
03:25:58 <Fiora> apparently in the thing kmc posted it made it worse in a lot of compilers
03:26:04 <Bike> the books i learned C from told me to do that
03:26:11 <Bike> ALSO the pope's twitter is really boring
03:26:29 <Fiora> (from like, an assembly point of view, imul with 0x01010101 will probably almost always be faster just because it's fewer uops, I think? so trying to force the compiler to do something more complicated feels wrong)
03:26:57 <Bike> That definitely seems like the sort of optimization that should be handled by the compiler.
03:27:09 <Fiora> yeah, it's basically an instruction selection issue, I think...
03:27:10 <zzo38> I really think there ought to be the way to specify multiple branch which the compiler can choose based on which is optimized and which does not result in compiler errors, in case one is error and another isn't.
03:27:56 <Fiora> I think you can sort of do that?
03:28:01 <Fiora> __builtin_constant_p or something like that
03:29:18 <zzo38> Well, you can in a few cases; not in all cases.
03:29:44 <Bike> i really hope my gsoc goes through so i can get Real Experience on compilers, which i will then never use in my career
03:30:49 <coppro> what did you apply to?
03:30:54 <zzo38> Another thing sometimes useful might be to specify zero or more "builtin meanings" of some function (whether or not it is inline), and then the compiler can use it for optimization, or replace it with native instructions, or whatever; such as BCD arithmetic functions
03:31:21 <elliott> Bike: you should apply for one of the haskell ones imho.
03:31:43 <Bike> my project is about making it possible to selectively enable optimization phases, and hopefully have a protocol for optimizations to make everything less of a hacked up horrible mess
03:31:52 <Bike> elliott: you? humble?
03:34:37 <elliott> Bike: in my hexcellent opinion
03:34:52 <Bike> does that mean you're a hexmage
03:35:25 <Bike> do you live in yourself
03:35:40 <Bike> also a guy mentioned edwardk possibly helping with the sbcl project which was weird
03:36:26 <coppro> elliott: are you a gsco mentor yet?
03:39:38 <elliott> 6. What are the eligibility requirements for mentors?
03:39:39 <elliott> Representatives and mentors for the organizations must be at least 18 years old.
03:39:47 <elliott> looks like I couldn't be even if I wanted to, which I don't
03:39:52 <Bike> i thought you were 18 now
03:40:06 <Bike> also imnho you should be a mentor for a haskell one
03:40:11 <Bike> what are the haskell ones, btw
03:40:16 <elliott> uh there's a lot of shit i think
03:40:33 <elliott> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/haskell
03:40:45 <elliott> except there's more stuff that's just not accepted yet or something i guess?
03:41:07 <Bike> Patch Index Optimization for darcs, how exciting
03:42:10 <Bike> anyway aren't you like a wunderkid or something. i heard you rewrote ghc from scratch once
03:43:25 <elliott> i don't quite see how this makes me 18
03:43:47 <Bike> if a google person disagrees you just hackinate them?
03:43:57 <Bike> i don't know i'm not a wündékĩd
03:43:58 <elliott> well also i don't want to mentor????
03:44:11 <elliott> you have to like deal with a student
03:44:17 <Bike> working with idiot undergrads (me) is the most fun
03:44:23 <coppro> you can get away with pretending
03:44:29 <coppro> Bike: they might not even be undergrads yet!
03:44:29 <elliott> okay i'd do it if it was you because i'd be able to be an asshole to you
03:44:59 <Bike> yeah i actually haven't attended school in like a year but it works anyway
03:45:19 <elliott> wow Bike don't you want to be a biologist
03:45:32 <Bike> as a biologist i sit around in grass watching bugs
03:45:37 <Bike> that's what biologists do!
03:45:59 <coppro> yup, that's all they do
03:46:08 <coppro> I know someone in biology
03:46:40 <Bike> for what, saying she stared at bugs all day?
03:47:29 <coppro> I'm not sure she yelled at me
03:47:33 <elliott> Bike: have you done any `'`'field work`'`'`
03:47:36 <coppro> she certainly yelled at other people though!
03:47:42 <coppro> Bike: I stare at bugs all day!
03:48:19 <Bike> i was a CS major so... no
03:48:58 <elliott> Bike: imo your biologist story has major inconsistencie
03:49:05 <Bike> luckily the campus i'll be schooled at has exciting fieldy classes like ones on how to handle cow semen
03:49:34 <coppro> she was my stage manager :(
03:49:46 <Bike> elliott: the major inconsistencies consist of: me being a loser
03:50:31 <elliott> imo, almost as much of a loser as i am
03:51:02 <Bike> that's pretty losery
03:51:09 <kmc> itt we yell at each other (perpetual flamewar)
03:51:11 <Bike> have you considered becoming a sociologist
03:51:19 <elliott> being a sociologist doesn't sound very fun
03:51:36 <Bike> neither does being a loser
03:52:03 <elliott> it's the only thing where you can be as lazy and useless as shit and it actually makes you better at doing the thing you're doing!
03:52:19 <kmc> https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/302c3487216268f26480
03:52:43 <coppro> i feel at this point that every major's terrible is appropriate
03:52:55 <elliott> kmc: i observe a decrease in colon use
03:53:12 <Bike> 21:56 < kmc> itt: bicycle day is every day <-- good day
03:53:28 <Bike> elliott: this data you're goggling seems rather... sociological... wouldn't you say
03:53:36 <kmc> elliott: i saw an infomercial today for a product called COLON FLOW, do you think that would help
03:53:52 <elliott> Bike: more like kmcological
03:54:12 <kmc> no audio but the 3d rendered large intestine made it pretty clear
03:54:22 <elliott> i, too, have a 3d rendered large intestine
03:54:53 <elliott> kmc: btw you should set your client to elide the space after <
03:55:38 <Bike> `pastequotes zzo38
03:55:44 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32319
03:56:45 <Bike> kmc: oh hey "pretty clear" i just got that
03:58:54 <Bike> `pastequotes Bike
03:59:00 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21104
03:59:15 <elliott> oh was that an intentional joke
03:59:31 <Bike> the joke is bowel problems
03:59:37 <Bike> also that encoding problem should stop being a problem.
03:59:40 <coppro> I have to say that `pastquotes zzo38 is a pretty good joke
04:01:38 <shachaf> Bike: hi i slept for a bit but now i'm awake again????????? and i guess i'll be awake "alnight"
04:03:00 <shachaf> I have a flight leaving SJC in 12 hours.
04:03:21 <Bike> well, i guess you could sleep on the plane
04:03:27 <Bike> are you transporting yourself to the air port?
04:04:45 <shachaf> I'm being carried on the back of an elephant like any civilized person.
04:05:04 <shachaf> (and by elephant i mean CALTRAAAAAAIN and by back i mean inside)
04:05:54 <Bike> don't miss your flight
04:06:06 <kmc> don't trainsurf caltrain
04:07:10 <shachaf> Should I wait for a Union Pacific train instead?
04:07:50 <shachaf> have you seen one of those on the caltrain tracks "its gr8"
04:08:50 <shachaf> http://www.theonion.com/articles/toddler-junkie-immediately-hooked-on-looking-at-tr,32025/ = me
04:10:04 <shachaf> Which of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railfan does kmc do?
04:12:45 <kmc> yeah there is a hierarchy of railfans not unlike http://brunching.com/images/geekchartbig.gif
04:13:13 <coppro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8_nqTVhDPo
04:13:52 <elliott> is kmc the kind that's addicted to heroin and dies
04:13:59 <elliott> n.b. i've never read/seen trainspotting
04:14:25 <elliott> A WAG-5 in Araku Valley near Vizag, India—a paradise for trainspotters.
04:14:30 <shachaf> elliott: oh yeah well i didn't even get the reference when i first read that article!!
04:14:33 <Bike> Amateur SF/Fantasy Artists Who Can't Get Breasts Right <-- redundant
04:14:43 <kmc> coppro: nice
04:15:15 <kmc> i'm mainly interested in rapid transit systems and their different peculiar properties
04:15:33 <kmc> routes and fixed infrastructure and the history of that
04:15:51 <kmc> i don't care much about the rolling stock.... there are people who make it a goal to photograph every numbered car on the NYC subway, i think that's mad
04:16:05 <kmc> i did go out of my way to ride some routes that weren't normally in use, but that was mainly because lexande was going
04:16:14 <kmc> he has the goals of riding every route segment on various systems
04:18:12 <shachaf> hey kmc have u programed ruby while being on a train..........
04:18:27 <shachaf> the joke is ruby on rails tht
04:19:03 <kmc> funny joek
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04:21:44 <Bike> i'm not sure whether roadfanning is weirder or not than trainfanning
04:22:44 <coppro> Bike: you ahould dedicate the remainder of your life to developing a to-scale model train set of the entire UK network
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04:24:30 <shachaf> Have you considered your Internet connection's impure? hth
04:24:38 <elliott> what do i do to get my server on testing again
04:24:41 <Bike> i will purify the world
04:27:12 <coppro> Bike: why is the Tube impure?
04:27:15 <pikhq> elliott: s/wheezy/jessie/g on sources.list
04:28:07 <Bike> these things just happen.
04:28:19 <shachaf> %s/wheezy/testing/g even better??
04:28:46 <pikhq> coppro: He was typing vi I think. :)
04:28:56 <coppro> but that requires opening vim
04:29:18 <coppro> the best is "sed s/wheezy/testing/g sources.list | sponge sources.list"
04:30:07 <kmc> so fuck that tube, fuck it so loudly that no-one can sleep, tubefucker
04:30:27 <kmc> coppro: or sed -i
04:30:38 <kmc> but ++ anyway for sponge, sponge is teh best
04:30:50 <kmc> that command is sponge-worthy (timely seinfeld reference)
04:31:07 <Bike> what is sponge
04:31:24 <elliott> Mosh: You have 8 detached Mosh sessions on this server, with PIDs:
04:31:30 <Bike> No manual entry for sponge
04:31:31 <elliott> kmc: can I pay you to do something about this fucking message
04:31:31 <kmc> kill them all
04:31:37 <elliott> yes I know but I'm too lazy
04:31:43 <coppro> Bike: http://bit.ly/10d9apo hth
04:31:47 <elliott> the only downside is that it's a bunch of blue when I log in after all
04:31:57 <elliott> btw how does it MITM that message in anyway?
04:31:59 <kmc> ssh host --server='killall mosh-server; mosh-server'
04:32:08 <kmc> it just writes it to your terminal or something
04:32:10 <coppro> Bike: you dumabass you typed it wrong
04:32:14 <elliott> well how does it know when to write it
04:32:16 <kmc> er my cmd shld be mosh host -- ...
04:32:18 <elliott> like it comes after the motd but before the prompt
04:32:26 <Bike> Spong Hill is an Anglo-Saxon cemetery site located at North Elmham in Norfolk, England. The largest Early Anglo-Saxon burial site ever excavated, it contains within it 2259 cremations and 57 inhumations. The site at Spong Hill consisted of two cemeteries, a large cremation cemetery and a smaller, 6th century cemetery of 57 inhumations. Several of the graves were covered by small barrows and others were marked by the use of coffins.
04:32:29 <kmc> oh well mosh-server is responsible for printing the motd
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04:32:32 <elliott> killall mosh-server sounds sort of bad since i have my irc client moshed in in another window
04:32:35 <kmc> as is /usr/bin/sshd
04:32:41 <kmc> elliott: well use screen
04:32:55 <elliott> imo i like having multiple windows and complaining
04:32:57 <pikhq> elliott: motd is displayed by the program logging you in.
04:33:20 <elliott> uh security.debian.org has testing/updates right
04:33:22 <shachaf> Bike: What should I do in NY?
04:33:26 <pikhq> Incidentally, this means a buffer overflow exploit could work using that if somehow you can write motd. :P
04:33:33 <Bike> shachaf: cocaine
04:33:41 <elliott> btw is putting "testing" in there unapproved or something
04:33:46 <elliott> istr using the release name for a reason
04:33:58 <Bike> so that you'd hve this lovely conversation later
04:34:14 <pikhq> elliott: Basically they tell you not to. The assumption is that you'll be on testing until it becomes stable in the months leading up to a stable release.
04:34:27 <pikhq> Rather than what you're doing, which is basically using testing as a rolling release.
04:34:37 <Bike> fight the man elliott
04:34:37 <elliott> okay well i will just set it to jessie
04:34:39 <elliott> to maintain my debian cred
04:34:40 <Bike> test the shit out of that software
04:34:45 <coppro> also to avoid accidentally causing your system to upgrade entirely while you aren't paying attention
04:34:48 <pikhq> I've got it set to sid. :P
04:34:50 <coppro> which can lead to poor results
04:34:52 <Bike> you must be on the knifely bleeddestroying edge
04:34:55 <elliott> sid sounds bad for my server
04:35:03 <kmc> they should rename sid to yolo
04:35:04 <pikhq> Yeah, not for a server.
04:35:09 <coppro> I need to de-ubuntu and en-debian my laptop
04:35:10 <elliott> kmc: pretty sure that's experimental
04:35:12 <kmc> or rename experimental to yolo
04:35:13 <pikhq> sid's just fine on a desktop.
04:35:22 <kmc> pikhq: unless you use nvidia binary drivers lolololol
04:35:29 <Bike> maybe i should figure out my distro sometime
04:35:40 <elliott> i use arch locally and debian on my server
04:35:41 <Bike> i'm pretty sure the software of this thing is just a joke at my expense though.
04:35:49 <pikhq> kmc: Two things: first, I use AMD. Second, surely you'd run those with DKMS.
04:35:50 <elliott> The following NEW packages will be installed: libsigsegv2 python-six
04:35:51 <kmc> every time I run dist-upgrade it's like I'm cranking up a large spring which will propell a heavy object at my balls at some indeterminate point in the future
04:35:55 <elliott> is python-six like python 3 * 2
04:36:04 <kmc> tangos on your six
04:36:05 <Bike> i thought they were at python like. three
04:36:06 <pikhq> Meaning that you just get a module recompile each kernel upgrade.
04:36:12 <elliott> Six is a Python 2 and 3 compatibility library. It provides utility
04:36:12 <elliott> functions for smoothing over the differences between the Python versions
04:36:12 <elliott> with the goal of writing Python code that is compatible on both Python
04:36:15 <kmc> six is a 2/3 compatibility libraryrrrrrr
04:36:17 <elliott> BOOOORING IM SNORING AND SNOOZING TO DEATHHHH
04:36:26 <elliott> kmc: are those "r"s you giving up on how boring it is
04:36:41 <Bike> for some reason in the last few months my 'i don't know what i'm doing' update procedure has said i'm fully updated
04:36:44 <kmc> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuurp
04:36:46 <shachaf> more like python 0.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
04:36:49 <Bike> i guess i should probably be concerned about that
04:36:54 <kmc> the python of the beast
04:36:59 <elliott> Bike: what do you even use
04:37:03 <Bike> ubuntu, i think
04:37:15 <elliott> i should use nixos on esolangs.org
04:37:15 <Bike> "W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found" oh i guess that's probably a problem
04:37:18 <elliott> that would be quite 'hip' i think
04:37:23 <kmc> dyk snakes have livers but it's differently shaped than other animals on account of a snake is shaped like a tube
04:37:27 <kmc> til this today
04:37:37 <elliott> kmc: thanks for the info re: snakes being tube-shaped
04:37:48 <kmc> a delicious tube of meat
04:37:55 <pikhq> kmc: I thought God just cut their legs off in ovum.
04:37:57 <kmc> nature's slim jim
04:38:00 <elliott> turns into a jerkcity line if you s/snakes/cocks/
04:38:02 <elliott> and then maybe s/ being.*//
04:38:06 <kmc> a delicious tube of cocks
04:38:07 <Bike> better: snakes only have one lung so that they can breathe and move simultaneously
04:38:11 <Bike> major innovation
04:38:23 <coppro> Bike: innovation.isotropic.org
04:38:31 <Bike> is that a "phish" site
04:38:32 <shachaf> kmc: what happened to "shachaf: "
04:38:43 <elliott> 3% [4 findutils 287 kB/624 kB 46%] 18.1 kB/s 1h 15min 32s
04:38:50 <elliott> why the fuck does my server have a shitty connection to the repos
04:39:05 <elliott> oh maybe it is because i am using the swedish server and sweden hates me
04:39:13 <kmc> uh i last said "shachaf: " vry recently..................................
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04:39:23 <elliott> @tell ais523 yo, you get to determine the accuracy of http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=INTERCAL&curid=1040&diff=36183&oldid=35920
04:39:26 <shachaf> that never stopped you before
04:39:33 <kmc> lol sweden
04:39:33 <shachaf> elliott: http://i.imgur.com/I6ROu7Q.png http://i.imgur.com/rqlnSnf.jpg hth
04:39:44 <elliott> shachaf: i already have those moneys
04:39:49 <kmc> 50 totally legit monqys
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04:40:08 <Bike> i guess i've probably been using the same software for a few months without upgrading
04:40:15 <Bike> this will probably destroy me long term or something won't it
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04:40:33 <shachaf> mnoqy: hmm you better work on that
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04:40:41 <shachaf> i want 124% by next friday
04:40:42 <elliott> what's the cool bsd these days
04:40:44 <Bike> elliott: man. great edit.
04:40:48 <elliott> maybe i should switch solidity over to that one
04:41:03 <elliott> like debian is just so ugh
04:41:05 <kmc> elliott: Debian kFreeBSD
04:41:07 <Bike> coppro i need Serious Upgrade Help here not "sites"
04:41:17 <kmc> HOT SINGLES ARE WAITING TO CHAT WITH YOU ABOUT DEBIAN
04:41:22 <elliott> kmc: imo, debian hurd is a better bsd than debian kfreebsd
04:41:32 <Bike> are distros even real
04:41:33 <coppro> elliott: run gnu instead
04:41:43 <shachaf> kmc: elliott doesn't care about singles anymore. talk to him when you have hot twenties and hot fifties
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04:42:03 <Bike> excuse me sir the operating system is called called called
04:42:17 <kmc> Tens and twenties, what's so funny, fucking twenty ten
04:42:24 <elliott> coppro: pretty sure debian is gnu
04:42:30 <elliott> it's explicitly branded as gnu in fact
04:42:33 <kmc> the real GNU kernel is GRUB
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04:42:47 <Bike> has mosh been ported to grub
04:42:53 <elliott> well "just running gnu" means you're without a kernel
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04:43:24 <kmc> Bike: uh Grub fixed the bug that was making Mosh not build, but I dunno if anyone has actually tried it
04:43:28 <shachaf> pikhq: um they want to chat with elliott not you
04:43:30 <Bike> why don't you use a Truly Free distro like... triskelion?
04:43:33 * kmc will chat with pikhq about Debian, but I dunno if I'm hot?
04:43:44 <Bike> smoking hot singles the joke is weed
04:44:08 <shachaf> Bike: hang on hang on, that makes you violent
04:44:20 <Bike> kmc are you violent
04:44:40 <Bike> pseudo hashtag here*
04:44:44 <kmc> also i dont even smoke much weed :(
04:44:47 <kmc> but that might change
04:44:51 <Bike> do you smoke... gana
04:44:52 <kmc> if i move to SAN FRANCISCO
04:45:01 <Bike> i actually don't know if that's slang for... anything
04:45:03 <Bike> i'm bad at drugs.
04:45:08 <Bike> shachaf: my dad has a bumper sticker from there
04:45:18 <shachaf> Weed, CA is also the town they were running away from(/to???????) in that one book.
04:45:30 <shachaf> As I figured out a few years later.
04:45:46 <kmc> Bike's dad collects / manufactures weed joke merchandise???
04:45:47 <lambdabot> *** "ganja" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
04:45:48 <lambdabot> n 1: a strong-smelling plant from whose dried leaves a number of
04:45:48 <lambdabot> euphoriant and hallucinogenic drugs are prepared [syn:
04:45:48 <lambdabot> {marijuana}, {marihuana}, {ganja}, {Cannabis sativa}]
04:45:56 <Bike> wow it really is marijuana
04:45:57 <kmc> "its not a jamaican word and its not slang, its a SANSKRIT(the original indic language) word for hemp. dumbasses."
04:46:09 <Bike> the original indic language, lol
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04:46:22 <kmc> गांजा / গাঁজা
04:46:50 <Bike> also i forgot the name of the language fa- oh right dravidian
04:46:57 <Bike> fuck you dravidians, sanskriters are in this to win it
04:46:58 <kmc> #fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
04:47:08 <Bike> wait. sanskriteers.
04:47:33 <Bike> i can't believe i'd never thought of it before it;s beautiful
04:48:27 <Bike> panini was a sanskriteer, we're all sanskriteers deep down
04:48:55 <Bike> no it's like a mouseketeer
04:48:58 <Bike> but for sanskritt
04:49:05 <mnoqy> paninis what happens when you put a sandwich in a pressure cooker right??? i've never seen one that's just a rumor
04:49:18 <kmc> sounds dangerous
04:49:18 <Bike> no not the sandwiches, the guy
04:49:21 <Bike> he invented language
04:49:44 <elliott> don't care about computers any more
04:49:57 <Bike> dude you are talking to the wrong guy about caring about computers
04:49:58 <shachaf> elliott: hey should i upgrade it
04:50:02 <Bike> maybe you could find someone on "freenode" who cares?
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04:50:23 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cangjie2.jpg this is me right now
04:50:33 <Bike> i'm wearing a suit made of leaves
04:50:34 <elliott> five fucks away from installing ubuntu
04:50:39 <elliott> and using the default everything
04:50:52 <elliott> we're talking using pidgin to irc levels of not caring about computers here
04:51:01 <mnoqy> how many fucks per second are we talking here
04:51:05 <Bike> that's pretty mean!
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04:51:14 <kmc> `addquote <elliott> five fucks away from installing ubuntu
04:51:17 <Bike> i know like a billion pidgin users
04:51:18 <HackEgo> 1032) <elliott> five fucks away from installing ubuntu
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04:51:36 <elliott> Bike: they're all disgusting, imo
04:51:54 <Bike> what if i wrote pidgin in haskell
04:51:55 <kmc> i use finch which is like hipster version of pigin!!!!! also v. buggy
04:52:08 <elliott> kmc: ok but you don't use it to irc do you
04:52:09 <Bike> there are more birds
04:52:13 <Bike> how about like a fucking swallow
04:52:17 <kmc> i saw birds toay
04:52:21 <Bike> or is that an ubuntu release or whatever
04:53:00 <mnoqy> usually i see birds but i don';t tthink i saw any today what a wEIRD day
04:53:18 <Bike> 21:51 [freenode] shachaf [~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf] requested unknown CTCP OHNO from Bike:
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04:53:29 <elliott> dude cut it out with the copying the irc colours thing it's disturbing
04:53:31 <Bike> i'm getting good at this color thing.
04:53:52 <Bike> why do you think the [] are bolded
04:54:01 <Bike> oops i missed the bars on... hm
04:54:13 <Bike> 21:51 [freenode] shachaf [~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf] requested unknown CTCP OHNO from Bike:
04:54:17 <elliott> kmc: what window manager do you use
04:54:25 <kmc> eks moan add
04:55:12 <elliott> kmc: wow me too What A Coincide
04:55:46 <Bike> 21:51 [freenode] shachaf [~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf] requested unknown CTCP TRAITOR from Bike:
04:55:54 <elliott> seriously though, ugh, computers
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04:56:35 <Bike> i think we could all stand to dijkstra it up for a bit
04:56:43 <Bike> by which i mean yell at undergrads for being stupid
04:57:03 <elliott> btw why was dijkstra so cool??
04:57:07 <shachaf> http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=392
04:57:11 <Bike> 21:56 [freenode] CTCP WHATISGOINGONDOTDOTDOTDOTDOT reply from shachaf:
04:57:21 <kmc> how do i know if i'm a good writer
04:57:23 <Bike> elliott that's illegal.
04:57:31 <Bike> kmc: you get paid
04:57:34 <elliott> Bike: just like the mariḧuana
04:57:41 <shachaf> Bike: um that's a sign of selling out
04:57:51 <shachaf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BDyFuDxA-I
04:57:55 <Bike> but you can't sell out if you're not good
04:58:15 <elliott> so can i pay someone to like
04:58:22 <elliott> so i just never have to think about it
04:58:36 <Bike> i believe that's referred to as "management" in the sciences
04:58:55 <Bike> or "delegation"
04:58:58 <elliott> the things i want to do with computers are;
04:59:05 <elliott> that was meant to be a colon fyi
04:59:11 <Bike> maybe you should be a tenured professor?
04:59:17 <Bike> i hear all they do is make grad students do things
04:59:25 <elliott> do astronomers have people to like
04:59:27 <shachaf> kmc: You're talking about handwriting,r ight?
04:59:28 <elliott> maintain their telescopes for them
04:59:29 <Bike> about computers! if you'rre a professor of computerrrs
04:59:34 <shachaf> kmc: Because Dijkstra had good handwriting.
04:59:42 <shachaf> In fact: The best handwriting?
04:59:48 <elliott> Bike: don't i have to do work for that
04:59:52 <Bike> elliott: i have an idea: do something with computers that isn't computers.
05:00:13 <Bike> are you serious
05:00:18 <elliott> don't make the joke you're about to
05:00:19 <Bike> i've never seen someone actually type a 1 by mistake
05:00:33 <elliott> you always look like a loser
05:00:41 <shachaf> elliott: That's not a joke.
05:00:43 <Bike> elliott you don't look like anything
05:00:46 <shachaf> That's just insulting someone.
05:00:58 <shachaf> It's a popular IRC hobby for some reason but it's not really a joke.
05:01:02 <Bike> well actually you look like 22:00 < elliott> NO!!!1
05:01:29 <Bike> I guess you're green. Maybe you could get that checked out. I think it means you're sick?
05:01:46 <elliott> Bike: fucking fix your client to get rid of that space
05:01:52 <elliott> i realise you're a biologist so it's hard
05:02:06 <elliott> btw green is the colour for when someone mentions your name
05:02:09 <elliott> as all cool.theme users now
05:02:09 <Bike> elliott, i've heard recently from a trusted confidant that re: computers: fuck computers
05:02:12 <elliott> maybe it's in the default theme too idk
05:02:23 <shachaf> The default theme is yellow.
05:02:36 <elliott> the default irssi theme is awful
05:02:50 <Bike> elliott why do you think so many things are awful?
05:02:53 <Bike> were you awfulled as a child
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05:03:58 <elliott> what does awfulling entail here exactly
05:04:20 <Bike> I don't know. I was never awfulled.
05:04:50 <Bike> That's why nowadays, I'm not a jerkface like some people who were.
05:06:27 <shachaf> Bike: Calling people a jerkface makes you a jerkface. Jerkface.
05:06:47 <Bike> I'm sorry to hear that.
05:09:53 <elliott> you're actually a jerkface
05:09:58 <elliott> despite alos being a ibciyle
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05:10:24 <Bike> I don't even have a face.
05:11:22 <shachaf> look at my nice face: http://slbkbs.org/sb/1.png
05:13:57 <Bike> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Carpenter_bee_head_and_compound_eyes.jpg
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05:32:40 <elliott> does anyone know what i should read to learn about bidirectional type checking
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05:34:25 <shachaf> imo write something to teach about bidirectional type checking
05:35:40 <elliott> well unfortunately I don't quite know what the deal is!
05:35:58 <shachaf> the joke is "bi di re ct io na l\0"
05:38:01 <elliott> I am not any good at jokes shachaf
05:39:08 <shachaf> elliott: Jokes shachaf isn't any good at you, either.
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06:13:12 <shachaf> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Neverhood&diff=535583641&oldid=534367896 :-(
06:13:17 <shachaf> oerjan: Just look at that.
06:13:38 <shachaf> It's not vandalism. It's worse.
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06:18:09 <shachaf> oerjan: I mean, just look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/67.190.221.99
06:18:43 <shachaf> These people also linked to that website and seem to speak English about as well as the people on that website.
06:20:26 <shachaf> oerjan: This spam really irritates me. And the awful self-promotion.
06:20:37 <shachaf> oerjan: I'm almost tempted to edit it by myself.
06:22:07 <Jafet> Remember to wear a hostmask
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06:38:14 <HackEgo> 143) <Vorpal> ais523, what is "MS Publisher"? <Phantom_Hoover> Vorpal, you don't want to know. <ais523> Vorpal: be glad that you don't know the answer <alise> Vorpal: "horrible" \ 164) <Sgeo> Hmm. I want to try vanilla extract now, but I don't want the alcohol \ 241) <zzo38> Why do you want to have sex in everything? I don't want. \ 492) <Sgeo>
06:38:27 <shachaf> `run quote "don't want" | grep zzo
06:38:29 <HackEgo> 241) <zzo38> Why do you want to have sex in everything? I don't want.
06:38:44 <shachaf> Didn't he have another quote?
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06:45:15 <elliott> The following packages will be REMOVED: less
06:45:18 <elliott> kmc: why does debian want to do this
06:51:41 <Jafet> Because http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/42/110Weezing.png
06:54:11 <elliott> shachaf: do you actually use more
06:55:26 <shachaf> http://www.joystiq.com/2013/04/16/armikrog-is-the-new-clay-adventure-game-from-the-neverhood-creat/
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07:01:58 <elliott> The following packages have unmet dependencies: man-db : Breaks: less (< 456) but 444-4 is to be installed
07:02:19 <elliott> why does man-db break less < 456 but less >= 456 isn't present
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07:20:05 <coppro> because aptitude can't do dependencies
07:24:37 <coppro> uh, then because package maintainers are morons
07:24:54 <coppro> and 444-4 confuses debian versionin
07:25:31 <coppro> I'm grasping at straws
07:25:34 <coppro> because it's half past 3
07:25:39 <coppro> and I don't want to be up in 4 hours
07:25:41 <coppro> so I'm staying up later
07:25:45 <coppro> does that make any sense?
07:27:39 <elliott> "Luthiers seem, however, to be undeterred by either practicality, or by the limits of human anatomy, and have produced instruments with even more necks." -- Wikipedia
07:27:52 <elliott> is there a blog with just good quotes from wikipedia
07:28:46 <elliott> pikhq: is it supported to just get a single package from sid
07:28:52 <elliott> it looks like the relevant version of less is in sid
07:28:55 <elliott> and i'd quite like to have less
07:29:08 <coppro> elliott: it could also be that they broke testing again
07:29:13 <coppro> though that seems unlikely
07:29:22 <coppro> you should go to #debian
07:29:23 <elliott> well it's probably my fault for doing dist-upgrade and saying yeah sure remove less
07:29:28 <coppro> more IRC channels will always help
07:29:31 <elliott> aqs opposed to saying no i don't need the new man-db right now
07:29:31 <coppro> oh why the fuck did you do that?
07:29:39 <elliott> well because i wanted to know why it wanted to uninstall less
07:29:45 <elliott> so i figured i'd upgrade and then try and install less
07:31:44 <coppro> elliott: try installing less and man-db simultaneously
07:32:32 <coppro> yeah, so man-db breaks less < 456
07:32:46 <coppro> so you'd have to downgrade man-db or something?
07:33:22 <coppro> or just figure out why the fuck less is installing something ancient
07:34:31 <elliott> i hear downgrades "aren't supported"
07:34:41 <elliott> it seems like the less in testing is just < 456 and it's as simple as that
07:35:32 <coppro> something is weird here
07:35:37 <fizzie> That's weird; packages.debian.org suggests that man-db just suggests 'less' with no version requirements.
07:36:04 <fizzie> (444-4 is the version of less in wheezy for sure.)
07:36:19 <coppro> fizzie: habemus debiam, dude
07:36:25 <coppro> fizzie: packages does not list breaks: dependencies
07:41:11 <fizzie> Well, debian/control of man-db_2.6.2-1_amd64.deb (which is what's in wheezy) does not have any Conflicts: about less either, and just "Suggests: less".
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07:41:34 <elliott> fizzie: well, wheezy isn't testing any more
07:43:24 <fizzie> Oh, right. I guess that version (2.6.3-3) indeed does break less << 456.
07:48:37 <fizzie> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=695361#39 I guess they just like breaking things.
07:52:54 <coppro> elliott: install more imo
07:52:56 <fizzie> Possibly you just wait for them to fix it instead of messing everything up? I mean, the last message promises a NMU in "about 24h".
07:53:18 <elliott> fizzie: well I kind of want less
07:54:52 <fizzie> I guess you could install the sid less 456-1, then.
07:55:52 <elliott> I don't know how to do that :(
07:56:42 <fizzie> I used to have an apt pinning setup for doing that sort of stuff, but no longer. (The easy but crummy way is just to download and dpkg -i the .deb, of course.)
07:57:14 <coppro> elliott: download the package from packages.debian.org
07:57:51 <elliott> that's a bit manual for my tastes!!
07:57:56 <fizzie> http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html is the fancy way.
07:58:41 <fizzie> (Though I suppose these days it'd be an /etc/apt/preferences.d/99pinning file, instead of lines in /etc/apt/preferences.)
07:59:05 <coppro> elliott: you wouldn't like organs then
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08:17:51 <shachaf> I haven't even worked on it all day.
08:18:39 <Taneb> I would have worked on it in my dreams, but my brother told me to sell my bike chain on eBay so I got distracted
08:19:23 <shachaf> You can look at what I have so far.
08:21:14 <shachaf> what kind of meter is this anyway
08:21:54 <shachaf> alternating paeonic tetrameter and iambic pentameter
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08:33:00 <shachaf> Taneb: English is awful. :-(
08:33:34 <Taneb> Nah, Australian is much nicer
08:34:30 <Taneb> imo everyone should learn Australian
08:35:23 <shachaf> Taneb: Maybe you should finish what I started?
08:35:30 <shachaf> I've lost the desire to write more.
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09:35:57 <ThatOtherPerson> @tell Taneb for saturn I think we'll use SFML; it is for C++ and allows you to create multiple windows... btw, how's hs-dcpu coming along?
09:36:05 <lambdabot> Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
09:36:13 <lambdabot> ThatOtherPerson said 16s ago: for saturn I think we'll use SFML; it is for C++ and allows you to create multiple windows... btw, how's hs-dcpu coming along?
09:36:35 <Taneb> shachaf: you have gobby open, you can look at it
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10:57:00 <elliott> Taneb: what's a good name for a language
11:00:22 <Jafet> `words --esolangs 20
11:00:24 <HackEgo> bloux tlwnn 1337 cobol fillia tran flum misc geom cobol snack p1eq novich stling dog piet rainfuck bak arcal minimal
11:02:53 <HackEgo> sustnaulte fiftymiya tion peria foca labo humm den dulationg koutbroydtre dextrach thi lisoldr diwickli sity orn sty laxing cta caulye laba incilit godi maysan kaswcd
11:03:41 <Taneb> How about Portinatx?
11:04:38 <elliott> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
11:05:09 <HackEgo> bin/words: a /usr/bin/perl script text executable
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11:20:16 <Jafet> `words --gaelic --esolangs 50
11:20:17 <HackEgo> undeviat sendstuit top hadh-creic lon sot goinn stàmp eidh xbf pavity froillgolfuck acanack! cisde dhànainn rin atter òr faran trith 2050706 fiod rain versepollt chàrlan
11:20:33 <Taneb> `words --lojban 50
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13:08:23 <oerjan> <FireFly> Maybe they were interested in the other kind of esoterica <-- i hear the dalnet channel is tiny, it probably doesn't have the critical mass to keep the people passing to it through here :(
13:08:59 <elliott> oerjan: clearly we should promote it on the wiki.
13:11:04 <oerjan> elliott: hm i find it somewhat less likely someone seeking the other kind of esoterica would find the wiki before something actually relevant
13:12:07 <oerjan> (yes i realize you were joking)
13:12:23 <fizzie> 2050706 is probably the best Gaelic word.
13:14:56 <oerjan> this is a part of the gaelic alphabet i did not know about
13:16:26 <oerjan> @tell Tanea <Tanea> ThatOtherPerson: we don't talk about the other kind of esoterica <-- i'm pretty sure it has happened hth
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13:23:38 <oerjan> <shachaf> oerjan: So, over 8% <-- sometimes i wish i could remember what i have said
13:25:49 <oerjan> <elliott> back when it was entirely made of small animals <-- watch phineas and ferb hth
13:27:31 <oerjan> but it has an organization made almost entirely out of small animals!
13:27:42 <oerjan> admittedly only one of them gets much screen time
13:28:23 <oerjan> (also they're not all small, i remember there was a whale)
13:31:33 <elliott> hm, I appear to be unable to understand scoping and binders while this tired.
13:33:16 <oerjan> i suspect using ski won't help matters
13:34:37 <oerjan> <pikhq> Shouldn't that be HABEMVS DEBIAM? <-- it's church latin not classical latin, i think lower case is permitted hth
13:34:54 <oerjan> @tell pikhq <pikhq> Shouldn't that be HABEMVS DEBIAM? <-- it's church latin not classical latin, i think lower case is permitted hth
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13:38:48 <oerjan> last night on norwegian tv there was this guy who had never won any awards, so they gave him an award for never having won any before
13:39:02 <oerjan> (it may have been a rerun. wait, is that ironic?)
13:39:49 <oerjan> i guess we could email alanis morisette to ask
13:40:20 <elliott> i've also never won any awards
13:43:04 <oerjan> elliott: i assume you are waiting for the Succ Succ Succ how many is it again Zeroth Haskell obfuscation contest?
13:43:28 <elliott> hm that could be fun to participate in
13:45:05 <oerjan> the only competition where category theory is essential to win
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13:55:04 <oerjan> @hoogle generalCategory
13:55:05 <lambdabot> Data.Char generalCategory :: Char -> GeneralCategory
13:57:43 <oerjan> <Fiora> good thing I'm not actually human, nya! <-- clearly you are a very few human
13:58:53 <shachaf> oerjan: hth-percentage hth
14:08:49 <HackEgo> oerjan: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
14:11:23 <shachaf> Isn't `welcome the correct response to "thx"?
14:11:36 <shachaf> `run quote zzo38 | grep welcome
14:11:38 <HackEgo> 819) <oerjan> `welcome Rawlie * zzo38 has joined #esoteric <Rawlie> thank you <zzo38> You're welcome.
14:14:58 <oerjan> @tell bike <Bike> Amateur SF/Fantasy Artists Who Can't Get Breasts Right <-- redundant <-- see the footnote hth
14:15:39 <HackEgo> yiyus: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
14:17:09 <HackEgo> is: the: best: type: of: `welcome: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
14:21:02 <HackEgo> FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon.
14:28:17 <elliott> I need to hire someone to think for me
14:29:18 <oerjan> <elliott> @tell ais523 yo, you get to determine the accuracy of http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=INTERCAL&curid=1040&diff=36183&oldid=35920 <-- it's consistent with the html version of the manual on muppetlabs, at least
14:29:39 <oerjan> (i had already checked)
14:29:55 <lambdabot> ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
14:29:58 <lambdabot> elliott said 9h 50m 35s ago: yo, you get to determine the accuracy of http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=INTERCAL&curid=1040&diff=36183&oldid=35920
14:30:32 <elliott> looks like the hiring people to think for me thing is going well
14:30:49 <oerjan> just wait until you get my bill
14:30:56 <ais523> elliott: yeah, I just checked the version of the manual that got proofread against the paper manual
14:31:11 <ais523> the correction is indeed correct
14:31:28 <elliott> oerjan: now next, about this type checker...
14:31:35 <ais523> (obviously I don't actually have the paper manual, but an electronic copy that's been confirmed as matching it is nice)
14:31:40 <ais523> (even if I don't know the person who confirmed it)
14:36:08 <oerjan> @tell bike <Bike> also i forgot the name of the language fa- oh right dravidian <-- i hope you are not implying that sanskrit is dravidian, it is indo-european hth
14:36:17 <oerjan> almost forgot the hth hth
14:37:26 <shachaf> oerjan: i started saying hth in #haskell until elliott rebuked me :'(
14:37:57 <oerjan> elliott: YOU ARE JUST DELAYING THE INEVITABLE HTH
14:38:13 <elliott> the inevitable hth: another band name
14:39:34 <shachaf> fizzie: Please make sure your regexp is case-insensitive. hth
14:40:43 <oerjan> argh noise i'm out of here
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14:44:35 <HackEgo> hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ hth \ ht
14:44:54 <shachaf> hthp://oerjan.no/index.hth
14:46:06 <ais523> we have… an abbreviation for yes?
14:46:45 <Jafet> I'd use the hth protocol
14:47:15 <HackEgo> ELF...Ht$..>............8.......HHu<H.8........................fy \ ...............H \ HuB \ H)H
14:47:24 <ais523> hmm, that's a very short binary
14:47:26 <shachaf> `run echo $'#!/bin/bash\nyes "$@"' > bin/z; chmod +x bin/z; wc bin/z
14:47:52 <shachaf> That's shorter and it's not even golfed.
14:48:27 <HackEgo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 134 Apr 14 03:00 bin/y
14:48:53 <ais523> `run echo $'#!/bin/bash\nyes "$@" #ë' > bin/z; chmod +x bin/z; wc bin/z
14:49:35 <Jafet> `run file bin/{y,z}
14:49:37 <HackEgo> bin/y: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1, statically linked, corrupted section header size \ bin/z: Bourne-Again shell script text executable
14:50:12 <ais523> "corrupted section header size2
14:50:19 <ais523> I get it, bin/y is a golfed ELF file
14:50:25 <shachaf> ais523: It's great, isn't it?
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14:51:36 <elliott> Taneb: you have messages as Tanea
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14:51:46 <lambdabot> oerjan said 1h 35m 21s ago: <Tanea> ThatOtherPerson: we don't talk about the other kind of esoterica <-- i'm pretty sure it has happened hth
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14:56:00 <shachaf> @ask mnoqy where are you i just made an amazing discovery hth
15:02:04 <tromp> > [1+2**(-i) | i<-[1..63]]
15:02:28 <tromp> > [1+2**(-i) | i<-[1..53]]
15:02:33 <lambdabot> [1.5,1.25,1.125,1.0625,1.03125,1.015625,1.0078125,1.00390625,1.001953125,1....
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15:03:30 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:15: parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
15:03:30 <ais523> tromp: my favourite fact about IEEE floating-point numbers
15:03:45 <ais523> is that if you interpret an IEEE float as an int, add 1, and interpret the result as a float
15:03:49 <ais523> you get the next-larger float
15:04:09 <ais523> (as a side-effect, this means that integer sorts work on floats too)
15:04:15 <tromp> so the mantissa carries right into the exponent?
15:04:26 <Jafet> This sounds like a useful feature
15:05:12 <tromp> while the mantissa resets to the implicitly set 0.5
15:05:37 <tromp> > product [1+2**(-i) | i<-[1..52]]
15:07:02 <Jafet> > product [ 1 + 2**(-i) | i <- [1..500] ] :: CReal
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15:11:19 <Jafet> "1/2 QPochhammer[-1, 1/2]"
15:11:47 <Jafet> Stop giving made-up names as answers, mathematica
15:21:14 <Jafet> > (!!1) <$> transpose [show $ foldr1 (\a b -> a * b `div` 10^2^n) [ 10^2^n + 10^2^n `div` 2^i | i <- [1..3*2^n] ] | n <- [1..]]
15:21:18 <lambdabot> "23842310290313717241498992886783972387716195165084334576921015079891812930...
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16:43:12 <Phantom_Hoover> you know, i think it's actually my torrent client that's been causing all these disconnects
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17:14:10 <Taneb> ...that was a surprisingly useful Google search
17:14:19 <Taneb> I searched for 'god hate cricket mathematician'
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17:17:13 <Taneb> And it told me GH Hardy
17:19:31 <Bike> he hated cricket?
17:19:32 <lambdabot> Bike: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
17:20:39 <Taneb> Bike: god hated him
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17:25:39 <Phantom_Hoover> i'm slightly worried by the fact you didn't remember he was called g h hardy though...
17:26:46 <Bike> "the ramanujan guy"
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17:32:03 <fizzie> shachaf: What I posted (a) was case-insensitive, but (b) wasn't a regexp.
17:33:06 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover: short lapse of memory, I'm afraid
17:33:15 <Taneb> I do have a sore arm
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17:41:34 <mroman_> Is it "return the last written value" or "return the lastly written value"?
17:41:58 <mroman_> last should qualify as an adverb.
17:41:58 <Phantom_Hoover> meanwhile, asimov on heinlein: "He always pictured himself a libertarian, which to my way of thinking means 'I want the liberty to grow rich and you can have the liberty to starve.' It's easy to believe that no one should depend on society for help when you yourself happen not to need such help."
17:42:19 <mroman_> lastly is also an adverb, but I assume it has a different meaning.
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17:42:49 <Bike> i'd say the first one, mroman
17:43:02 <Bike> or maybe "return the value written last"
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17:44:20 <AnotherTest> or maybe... return the previously written value?
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17:47:37 <oerjan> <elliott> we're talking using pidgin to irc levels of not caring about computers here <-- wait if this is a permanent change i find this disturbing
17:48:10 <FireFly> ThatOtherPerson: the speakers?
17:48:14 <oerjan> ThatOtherPerson: outer space hth
17:49:29 <oerjan> d is _so_ useful in acronyms, covers all possibilities
17:49:45 <FireFly> "thanks, that really did help"?
17:49:56 <FireFly> I think that's what it expands to
17:50:07 <oerjan> that was my best guess too
17:50:27 <FireFly> I'm glad we sorted out ThatOtherPerson's problem
17:51:09 <Bike> yeah, your acronym quieted rage
17:52:49 <oerjan> AnotherTest: why do dwarfs think acronyms are evil i don't understand hth
17:53:38 <oerjan> FireFly: evolved a new what?
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17:56:21 <FireFly> I, too, wonder why David Young would asy so
18:02:01 <Bike> what would jesus do if jesus couldn't cartwheel
18:02:43 <oerjan> Bike: that's 2/3 of the words correct hth
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18:06:10 <Taneb> I'm the tanebest chap in this channel
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18:10:53 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/1b8d2c4a34586cadc33ccb29f651072c/tumblr_mlxy2qN0tb1snfhwio1_1280.png
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18:15:19 <oerjan> Bike: an upstanding comic
18:17:00 <olsner> oerjan: I use pidgin for IRC, hth
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18:18:35 <oerjan> olsner: oh. that's irrelevant to my disturbance hth
18:21:50 <olsner> ok, I don't know what is relevant to your disturbance, but hth anyway
18:22:46 * ThatOtherPerson must find way to stop the hthocalypse before it is too late
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18:42:40 <AnotherTest> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hth
18:44:29 <olsner> I like "used sarcastically after answering a dumb question to a person of inferior mental qualities."
18:44:36 <zzo38> Does adding recursive module calls to Verilog make it Turing complete?
18:46:19 <AnotherTest> I hereby introduce a new notation: hth#(number)
18:46:41 <olsner> removing ambiguity? what the hell kind of fun is that
18:46:51 <Bike> i thought referring to definitions was usually done with square brackets
18:48:48 <AnotherTest> olsner: you can still use hth if you want to be ambiguous
18:49:03 <AnotherTest> disclaimer: this is your own responsibility
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19:09:10 <FireFly> I hereby propose the acronym "aah" for "ambiguous acronym here"
19:10:21 <AnotherTest> I hereby wish to extend FireFly's proposition: "nah" for "no ambiguity here"
19:12:13 <boily> may I amend hth to "Here There be Hambiguity"?
19:12:14 <lambdabot> boily: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
19:13:19 <boily> @tell Taneb that's acknowledged as a priority. I'll get it done when I'll have time, which means... uhm... somewhere this summer, probably.
19:14:09 <AnotherTest> I hereby accept the third amendment proposed by boily
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19:22:02 <fizzie> "foo#n" is the WordNet notation for "sense n", at least in some contexts.
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19:29:03 <olsner> here's a short guide to making bad jokes in english: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/language/theenglishwespeak/2012/05/120522_tews_72_long_face.shtml (hth)
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19:32:31 <zzo38> I thought of some kind of "balanced logic" where if P has the real number #P where #(P -> Q) = #Q - #P but how well would such things possibly working?
19:33:42 <HackEgo> aah ambiguous acronym here
19:34:03 <boily> `learn hth here there be hambiguity
19:35:55 <boily> to hex the ham is when you have over 0x2328 hambiguities.
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19:38:28 <zzo38> If ^ is linear logic dual, then in linear logic does (A -o ?B) like (!(B^) -o (A^)) ?
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19:43:09 <zzo38> Are my questions difficult?
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20:08:58 <Vorpal> I just looked at the sensors output after the kernel upgrade, and I noticed it changed. Seems I have an intrusion alarm in my computer. I know for a fact there isn't one though
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20:30:11 <Phantom_Hoover> Wow I'm starting to get genuinely angry at libertarians in general.
20:30:22 <Phantom_Hoover> This is weird, I don't normally get angry about things like this.
20:30:40 <Bike> did a libertarian take your lunch money
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21:22:50 <zzo38> What characters of my Dungeons&Dragons game are you unlike?
21:24:36 <zzo38> No, I mean the specific game that I play in, and am recording. There is no barbarian (so far).
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21:30:45 <FireFly> That's kinda hard to answer
21:31:45 <boily> <zzo38> Are my questions difficult? ← Well...
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21:36:26 <Bike> that's pretty difficult
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21:39:41 <FireFly> I hope he'll get resurrected
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22:06:45 <boily> constant: is there a schedule from which you change nicks? like some sort of luni-solar calendar from another star system floating in the Great Quite Cold Interspace?
22:07:11 <constant> boily: its mostly whenever someone makes a comment about my nicks
22:07:18 <constant> or whenever I get annoyed from the highlightes
22:07:37 <constant> zzo38: do you run the D&D game online, or is this an in-person thing?
22:08:41 <Lumpio-> I'd say zzo38's questions are 50% out-of-the-blue, 30% random and 20% difficult.
22:10:28 <kmc> i'd go with 70% out of the blue, 70% random, and 70% difficult
22:11:14 * Fiora constructs a venn diagram in her head
22:11:24 <boily> kmc: but yours are metric percents, instead of imperial ones.
22:11:45 <lambdabot> ["constant","constant","constant","constant"]
22:12:42 <zzo38> constant: In-person, although I record them on the computer (using TeX).
22:12:43 <constant> NihilistDandy: that language is that
22:12:47 <Bike> imperial percentages are out of 124, except when you're talking about gains, when it's out of 86
22:13:10 <Bike> traditionally called a "ha-persent"
22:13:33 <constant> NihilistDandy: for some reason I didn't remember 'take'
22:13:41 * constant hasn't done haskell in a long time :(
22:13:42 <Fiora> Bike: and 19 percents makes a 'portion'
22:13:51 <Bike> sure, if you're /british/
22:14:02 <Bike> portins are more important
22:14:04 <Fiora> then you combine 37.4 percents to make a stone
22:14:18 <Bike> 18 percents to a portin makes way more sense
22:14:31 <boily> btw, why the fungot 14? that's like the only time that factor appears in the whole english units system.
22:14:33 <fungot> boily: don't ask me to call on her for which, edward admitted in one of our neglected gardens, and mumbled over his body one of the earliest folklore of all the bizarre monstrosities in gilman's dreams, nothing filled him with greater panic and nausea than this blasphemous and diminutive hybrid, whose image flitted across his vision in a form a thousandfold more hideous. science, already oppressive with its shocking revelations
22:14:49 <boily> (AAAAAAAAAAAAH! fungot has a twilight style! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURGH!)
22:14:51 <fungot> boily: another photograph evidently a fnord taken in deep shadow was of the most repulsive primordial customs in the cryptic rhythm was that which immediately followed. the floor creaked and the speaker hove in sight and smell. when the road fnord again there are stretches of fnord that the delusive notion of the violet fnord had got abroad. these simple people were quick to imagine they had seen a car shoot briskly out of the
22:15:13 <Bike> boily: that was a reform introduced back in the 80s, nobody actually uses it except voice recognition people
22:16:38 <zzo38> constant: You can read it if you want to; the text and macro file are both available for download over the internet.
22:16:57 <zzo38> (And if you have TeX, you can even use it yourself)
22:20:41 <zzo38> kmc: Well, I suppose, out of the blue, random, difficult is not mutually exclusive so 70% of each is possible.
22:20:59 <zzo38> (I am not sure whether or not these number are correct, though.)
22:24:54 <kmc> we need to get all Big Data on the #esoteric logs
22:24:57 <kmc> hadoop that shit
22:25:52 * boily smacks kmc with a supercomputing, high-performance, aerodynamic server blade
22:25:58 <Bike> i thought that was fizzie's job
22:26:45 <kmc> boily: that's why we must move to the cloud
22:26:49 <kmc> hard to hit someone with a cloud
22:27:03 <Bike> whatif it's filled with hail
22:28:27 <boily> kmc: what about a supermassive, supersonic, superluminal cloud?
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22:32:27 <kmc> not sure if my fingernails started growing faster or I just lost track of the passage of time
22:32:33 <kmc> does this make me a PKD novel character
22:32:54 <Bike> is a facsimile of your sister hitting on you?
22:33:25 <kmc> i don't think so
22:33:37 <Bike> maybe an early one then
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22:52:33 <Bike> what are you saying
22:52:56 <kmc> just that we exist
22:52:59 <kmc> it's profound really
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22:55:23 <boily> *cough* I'm Canadian. I resent that existence remark.
22:55:45 <Koen_> would that make you a nihilist?
22:56:40 <boily> ah no. I still enjoy the occasional burger.
22:57:06 <kmc> nihilanada
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23:11:29 <Fiora> bike / kmc: http://techreport.com/review/24767/the-next-atom-intel-silvermont-architecture-revealed this is super interesting... interestingly intel says that out of order execution and hyperthreading take roughly the same resources, silicon-wise
23:12:26 <Bike> Instead, the netbook craze came and went, <-- and left me behind, i guess
23:13:56 <Fiora> wow, the pipeline diagram is cool
23:14:18 <Fiora> they diagrammed up all the pipeline stages and showed the misprediction path and everything
23:15:58 <Fiora> "Each Silvermont module is fed by a single voltage plane, but oddly enough, each core in the module can run at its own frequency, independently of the other one. When speeds differ, the shared L2 cache will run at the higher of the two frequencies."
23:16:13 <Fiora> wow. that seems crazy
23:16:25 <Fiora> like, sharing a cache between two chips clocked at different rates, wow
23:16:29 <Bike> unified clocks are so last millenium
23:16:49 <kmc> "Also upgraded is the loop stream buffer, which detects loops that will repeat, buffers the decoded instruction sequence (up to 32 macro-ops in Silvermont), and feeds the sequence into the execution engine. The chip can then shut down its fetch and decode units while the loop executes, to save power."
23:17:40 <Fiora> that's a thing they've had in a few intel chips for a bit, I think? I remember the core 2 had something like that
23:17:58 <Fiora> it was something like (fuzzy memory here...)
23:18:13 <Fiora> pentium 4 had a cache that stored decoded uops, instead of actual instructions ("trace cache"?)
23:18:14 <Bike> the power must only drop for like, a millisecond
23:18:32 <Fiora> core 2 added a loop stream buffer thing to make loops faster, because they didn't botleneck on the decoder
23:18:56 <Fiora> and then like either nehalem or sandy bridge or something added a decoded uop cache /again/ (but in addition to the regular instruction cache?)
23:19:04 <Fiora> but then they kept the loop thing because it could save power
23:19:14 <Bike> btw where the fuck are intel's names pulled from
23:19:32 <Fiora> I have no idea O_O
23:20:00 <Bike> "nehalem" sounds like hebrew (because it's like "nephilim", i am the best languager)
23:20:30 <Fiora> I think intel's done some insane things with super fine grained power management stuff
23:20:58 <Fiora> like I remember reading that someone measured a 300-500 cycle "warmup time" for AVX instructions, where they'd go at half speed for a while at first
23:21:10 <Fiora> which probably means they shut down half of the FPU on that chip until AVX gets used
23:21:36 <Fiora> unfortunately I don't think they write much about these things >_<
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23:22:09 <kmc> "Nehalem, meaning "the place where people live" in the Salish language"
23:22:18 <kmc> i thought it was hebrew too
23:22:24 <Bike> ugh, and i actually like salish
23:24:07 <kmc> elliott: should i work for this company http://ripplnmobile.com/ they are gamifying and appifying EVERYTHING
23:26:57 <kmc> also they have a sweet-ass manifesto video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5AJMK6U_Us
23:27:04 <kmc> this must be one of those joke startups right
23:28:06 <kmc> they will not stop until millions of people have created abundance and freedom
23:28:15 <Bike> The entire conversation is GAMIFIED
23:28:37 <mnoqy> help i dont understand anything anymore
23:28:41 <Bike> "The first ever mobile platform that was built to REWARD people for their own social graph." i love how many of these things are "what people have been doing for millions of years, but we show you graphs of it!"
23:28:49 <kmc> mnoqy: 'welcome to future, pls enjoy your stay'
23:29:41 <kmc> so is this like... a pyramid scheme, but i'm paid in 50% off burrito coupons
23:29:44 <kmc> i could get behind that
23:31:27 <Bike> this video is about as meaningful as the iron man 3 ones
23:32:15 <mnoqy> it's like in those movies about the future and they have a fictional advert on a future-tv for something really stupid
23:32:25 <mnoqy> + idk internet culture or something
23:32:38 <kmc> yeah i get that feeling a lot mnoqy
23:32:49 <Bike> we're a MOVEMENT. not a COMPANY.
23:33:04 <Bike> ok this is actually awesome
23:33:50 <Bike> the revolution is coming....... and it has................ social graphs
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23:34:45 <kmc> finally a movement that benefits wealthy, socially connected people in the first world
23:37:19 <pikhq> I was getting sick and tired of movements benefitting poor, lonely people in developing nations.
23:55:21 <Koen_> Bike: this video is about as meaningful as the iron man 3 ones
23:55:30 <Koen_> are you refering to the live feed of that guy's brain?
23:55:41 <Bike> no, the mandarin's
23:55:55 <Bike> MISTER PRESIDENT *flashing images of 80s protests*
23:56:39 <zzo38> Z-machine doesn't have a bitwise XOR instruction.