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00:21:57 <HackEgo> Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Oct 13 2010, 20:26:16) \ [GCC 4.4.4] on linux2 \ Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. \ >>>
00:23:00 <Sgeo_> `run echo "print 'hello'[0][0][0][0][0][0]" | python -
00:25:53 <Sgeo_> Changing hash values affects the order in which keys are retrieved from a dict. Although Python has never made guarantees about this ordering (and it typically varies between 32-bit and 64-bit builds), enough real-world code implicitly relies on this non-guaranteed behavior that the randomization is disabled by default.
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00:51:12 <Jafet> Writing real-world code to implicitly depend on a pseudorandom ordering is definitely an impressive skill
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04:17:05 <shachaf> ion, fizzie: what do you think of mölkky
04:55:23 <Sgeo_> I easily defeated the computer in Worms: Armageddon
04:55:29 <Sgeo_> I might be better at it than I remember
05:17:50 <zzo38> I have watched a TV show where they made up some new three player chess variant, where some cells are square and some are a triangular tesselation, where coordinates are in thirds, and there are new kind of pieces (the serpent, old woman, king's cousin, golf cart, transporter pad, time machine, and I don't know what else); however, I don't know much about it. Do you know if there are actual rules?
05:18:58 <kmc> http://www.amazon.com/Stonerware-Pot-Leaf-Chess-Set/dp/B002UL69DE
05:19:00 <kmc> saw this in a shop today
05:19:28 <mnoqy> what sort of shop are we talking here
05:19:34 <Bike> Dude, who's move is it again? The centuries old game of Kings and Queens enters the "stoner" age. Try to wrap your head around this classic game of strategy where you and your opponent do battle with only one goal in mind, to capture each others king. Keep in mind, it will take all of the braincells you have left to smoke your opponent under the table!
05:25:16 <kmc> very good thanks
05:25:46 <shachaf> mnoqy: just an ordinary shop........in san francisco
06:06:01 <Gracenotes> chess can easily go on for a very long while if you have no clue what you're doing
06:06:46 <Gracenotes> even if you remember the threefold repeat rule, you could be there til the sun collapses
06:07:04 <Sgeo_> What's a game that if you don;t know what you're doing, it goes by quickly?
06:07:08 <Sgeo_> I guess timed levels
06:07:24 <Sgeo_> Ok, so what's a midpoint between "At your own pace" and "The clock is running"?
06:07:35 <Sgeo_> Two extremes, I want the golden mean
06:07:42 <Bike> is this a song lyric (the worst song ever)
06:07:59 <Sgeo_> This is not, the worst song in the world, no
06:39:16 <zzo38> I think there are three possibilities what some recording device will do if recording a TV signal including copy protection signals in it: [A] Ignore the copy protection and record it anyways. [B] Cancel the recording and display an error message. [C] Pause the recording (and turn on/off some indicator light), and resume once the copy protection is no longer present.
06:39:41 <zzo38> I have seen DVD recorders do [B], although I think more useful and what I think it ought to do, is to offer the user a choice between [A] and [C].
06:43:21 <zzo38> (Another option which might sometimes be useful is that if [C] is selected, set the minimum time before a new index mark is recorded, and allow this number to be infinite if you don't want it to record an index mark.)
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06:56:43 <zzo38> Gracenotes: That is because there aren't many moves.
07:01:30 <oerjan> <Gracenotes> even if you remember the threefold repeat rule, you could be there til the sun collapses
07:01:40 <oerjan> <Gracenotes> even if you remember the threefold repeat rule, you could be there til the sun collapses <-- um there's also a 50-moves without capture or pawn movement rule hth
07:03:53 <Gracenotes> not a requirement, and not in all rulesets
07:12:18 <Deewiant> Threefold repetition is also an "option" in the sense that a player has to claim it explicitly
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07:15:13 <zzo38> Yes, those rules just allow the active player to claim a draw, I think. It doesn't require anyone to do anything.
07:16:11 <Deewiant> And of course you can select whatever rules you want but the FIDE rules do have the strict 50-move rule
07:17:44 <Gracenotes> I have an idea for a game. You go around the board like Monopoly, except it's 100,000,000 squares. Players start on opposite corners, flip coins to either move or not move. First player to catch the other wins.
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07:24:00 <oerjan> i think the sun collapses thing would apply to that game
07:25:52 <oerjan> or wait, what is the expected time for a bounded random walk
07:26:03 <oerjan> that's essentially what that is, anyway
07:26:32 <Gracenotes> random walks in one and two dimensions end up where they started in expectation.
07:26:44 <Gracenotes> variance grows over time, though, I believe.
07:27:03 <oerjan> yes, the question is whether it's exponentially slow or not
07:28:17 <oerjan> `frink 100000000^2 s -> year
07:29:12 <oerjan> so with one move per second and if it's just _square time, you can do it before the sun collapses. barely :P
07:30:09 <oerjan> just don't use much more than 10 seconds per move hth
07:32:36 <oerjan> ah indeed it is, with a sqrt(2/pi) factor.
07:34:36 <oerjan> \lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{E(|S_n|)}{\sqrt n}= \sqrt{\frac 2{\pi}}.
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08:53:36 <ion> shachaf: Not much. I know it but haven’t played it.
08:54:00 <shachaf> ion: I played it! It was fun.
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14:07:47 <Taneb> dO YOU SUDDENLY REALISE You have caps lock turned on?
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16:41:13 <HackEgo> olist 900: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
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17:06:49 <Bike> get high as hell
17:18:04 <fizzie> Arriving few hours late on the first day shows them you're not afraid of them. (Disclaimer: bad advice.)
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17:28:46 <Gracenotes> I want to show that I am afraid of them?
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17:52:51 <fizzie> Gracenotes: Yes, they need to establish dominance.
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18:18:48 <Gracenotes> I suppose I should wear a dog collar on my first day
18:19:03 <Gracenotes> Not go anywhere unless I am led on my leash
18:19:13 <Gracenotes> That seems like the start of a healthy business relationship
18:19:34 <Fiora> I'm not quite sure that would be the message that would get across
18:20:43 <Gracenotes> oh, this is more confusing than I thought
18:24:24 <zzo38> The thing to do is to just go, unless for some reason you are unable.
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18:34:35 <Sgeo_> shachaf, yw! Especially for that thing that I didn't actually do!
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18:37:29 <HackEgo> Decent_One: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
18:40:04 <oerjan> <Taneb> dO YOU SUDDENLY REALISE You have caps lock turned on? <-- my old laptop had a bug that caused it to behave as if it did (or sometimes as if the control key was permanently pressed), and it could only be undone in certain windows (fortunately the putty window was one)
18:41:55 <shachaf> Sgeo_: Fine, no thanks for telling me about `olist.
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18:59:49 <kmc> Gracenotes: I know someone who wears a dog collar to their job at Google...
19:00:01 <fizzie> Huh. Someone's sent an "I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn" email -- with proper linkedin.com links, it seems -- into the email address of one of our courses (named after the course code).
19:00:13 <fizzie> Suppose it could be just an unthinking "to all contacts" thing.
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19:01:05 <kmc> yeah LinkedIn has some misfeature where it will scrape your address book and email everyone you know
19:01:27 <kmc> Gracenotes: it's a minor irritation most of the time but I guess it can help you get a job
19:01:34 <kmc> Gracenotes: don't remember if spikes or not
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19:02:32 <Gracenotes> Most people I know who wear collars occasionally seem to prefer the spikey variety.
19:03:37 <kmc> don't you have one
19:05:12 <kmc> oerjan: that is a strange bug
19:05:48 <kmc> i don't have a Caps Lock key normally but it exists briefly while switching keyboard layouts, so if I press Caps Lock during that interval it's stuck on
19:07:56 <shachaf> I have a situation like that.
19:08:20 <shachaf> lrwxrwxrwx 1 shachaf shachaf 16 Feb 23 2012 bin/DISABLE-CAPSLOCK -> disable-capslock
19:09:07 <kmc> and what does that script run
19:09:12 <Gracenotes> Is it just me, or did the CIA seem to get its hand on this pdf? http://courses.engr.illinois.edu/cs421/sp2012/project/turner-implementation.pdf
19:09:50 <shachaf> kmc: A bit of Python I got from who-knows-where.
19:10:06 <shachaf> #!/usr/bin/env pythonfrom ctypes import *X11 = cdll.LoadLibrary("libX11.so.6")display = X11.XOpenDisplay(None)X11.XkbLockModifiers(display, c_uint(0x0100), c_uint(2), c_uint(0))X11.XCloseDisplay(display)
19:10:12 <elliott> Gracenotes: first page looks cut off to me
19:10:25 <kmc> I would expect there's a cryptically named standard X binary to do that
19:10:32 <kmc> but I approve of ctypes
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19:13:28 <Gracenotes> elliott: well, this is how chrome renders it. http://i.imgur.com/N2yKfAP.png
19:15:27 <fizzie> http://sprunge.us/DGXA ah, academic spam; what's not to love.
19:15:32 <FreeFull> Seems that bit is meant to be blacked out
19:15:38 <FreeFull> Although you can still copy-paste the text from underneath
19:16:15 <Gracenotes> in evince, it just renders as a black box, but the text is visible if you select it
19:17:12 <Gracenotes> I can't say why it's meant to be blacked out
19:17:27 <FreeFull> Selecting it doesn't make it visible in evince for me
19:17:42 <Gracenotes> It seems like a fault of the OCR program
19:18:48 <Gracenotes> FreeFull: http://i.imgur.com/tm6vWCw.png
19:20:30 <FreeFull> My highlight isn't red with white text =P
19:21:09 <zzo38> Well, it does look like OCR.
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19:39:31 <Taneb> Can somebody tell me what would be idiomatic Finnish for "Why the hell am I doing this?"
19:41:53 <Sgeo_> Going to attempt to fix join/part coloring
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19:49:19 <oerjan> Taneb: protip, all swearing complaints translate to finnish as "perkele" hth
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19:50:46 <oerjan> a couple more and i'll ban him
19:51:15 <HackEgo> 371) <Sgeo> Will anyone be irritated if I tend to disconnect and reconnect a lot? [...] <oerjan> we _almost_ have an established policy that bots will be banned it they do that. which means we might have to administer a turing test to sgeo, and that could get ugly.
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19:51:42 <oerjan> a couple more and i'll establish a policy that we don't need a turing test hth
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19:52:03 <Sgeo> I can live with this theme for now
19:52:43 <Sgeo> I guess I could have relocated the server list for the duration
19:55:00 <Taneb> (btw, that was for my ongoing project of a cosplay of SATW's Finland)
19:56:24 <oerjan> i thought that was ages ago
19:56:41 <Taneb> I didn't actually complete it on time
19:56:42 <oerjan> have you got a special lion yet
19:56:48 <Taneb> I guess you could say...
19:59:50 <Sgeo> I may end up disconnecting and reconnecting once around midnight
20:00:06 <elliott> unacceptable. you must now stay here forever.
20:00:21 <Taneb> elliott, do you have any blue ribbon
20:00:56 <Taneb> Do you know where I can get some blue ribbon
20:03:08 <Taneb> This is important to me
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20:16:44 <ion> http://youtu.be/0f_ec37PXNQ
20:20:53 <ion> http://youtubedoubler.com/98zb
20:22:52 <augur> this kid is disturbed
20:22:55 <augur> adorable, but disturbed
20:30:38 <Taneb> That was one of the creepiest things I have ever seen
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22:15:12 <zzo38> TURING TEST EXTRA CREDIT: CONVINCE THE EXAMINER THAT HE'S A COMPUTER.
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23:28:44 <zzo38> Yes, probably it is old. It is how I found it.
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23:54:15 <kmc> http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/photos/large/mr-burbujas.jpg
23:55:49 <shachaf> that sign really fixes your makefile, doesn't it
23:56:47 <ion> The laundromat for LSD users?
23:57:52 <kmc> i was thinking salvia actually
23:58:13 <mnoqy> imo it's pretty cool how you can see a sign and think of a drug
23:59:02 <kmc> the mural was painted over due to vandalism :/
23:59:06 <kmc> now they just have a super creepy logo
23:59:22 <kmc> can't find a good picture tho
23:59:37 * ion is watching grass grow and/or importing 5M rows into PostgreSQL.
23:59:39 <ion> 85,8MB 0:13:34 [ 135kB/s] [==============> ] 35% ETA 0:24:43
23:59:44 <kmc> also google image searching "mr burbujas" finds a decent number of extremely ripped men wearing speedos