00:00:39 <kmc> you can kind of see the logo here http://s3-media3.ak.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/cxGNWxXViuddaSWubHoL6Q/o.jpg it's a washing machine with a three-toothed lamprey-like mouth, wearing a top hat
00:01:11 <kmc> today I found a "bike shop" that turned out to be more of a bike-themed hipster-shit shop
00:01:28 <ion> I buy hipster fæcal matter all the time.
00:01:32 <shachaf> kmc: you were supposed to reply to my question
00:01:38 <shachaf> i can't complete my pun otherwise
00:02:00 <kmc> shachaf: salvia? imo no
00:02:42 <ion> > cycle "HA"
00:02:43 <lambdabot> "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
00:02:49 <kmc> imo smoke other sage, it will smell good
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00:06:05 <shachaf> kmc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limonana
00:10:45 <kmc> have you had it?
00:10:57 <ion> I haven’t.
00:11:12 <kmc> does your IRC client automatically insert smart quotes? how does it work?
00:11:18 <kmc> do you use ``LaTeX quotes''?
00:12:07 <ion> Nope. It wouldn’t work very well without the client detecting the language i’m typing perfectly, parsing the language perfectly and applying grammar rules perfectly. I just type the “”.
00:12:24 <kmc> and how do you do that
00:12:42 <ion> altgr-shift-[, ] with the US International (AltGr dead keys) layout.
00:13:04 <kmc> ``ironic LaTeX quotes'' are the new thing for 2013
00:13:45 <ion> ski has been using ``ironic LaTeX quotes'' before it was cool.
00:13:58 <elliott> kmc: I've been doing those for years :(
00:14:19 <elliott> does this make me a trendsetter
00:14:58 <shachaf> ion: altgr-shift-, and altgr-shift-space?
00:15:13 <ion> (“detecting the language” also includes programming languages in addition to English and Finnish.)
00:15:15 <shachaf> Oh, altgr-shift-[ and altgr-shift-].
00:15:37 <kmc> there's a band named Δ which is also known as Alt-J because that's how you type it on a Mac
00:15:49 <shachaf> ion: How do you type ’ etc.?
00:16:07 <ion> shachaf: ‘’: altgr-9, 0
00:16:50 <ion> „Gutan Tag shachar“
00:17:27 <shachaf> "shachar" means "dawn" hth
00:17:48 <ion> shachaf: What does shachaf mean?
00:20:43 <kmc> use the double tall integral symbol
00:21:11 <ion> 卐 Good day, gentlemen. 卍
00:21:56 <shachaf> that was the 8x as tall integral symbol
00:22:06 <kmc> doesn't line up for me in urxvt :/
00:22:08 <ion> Almost done. 227MB 0:36:16 [ 164kB/s] [======================================> ] 93% ETA 0:02:23
00:22:13 <kmc> looks good in gedit
00:22:26 <ion> Lines up for me in gnome-terminal.
00:23:05 <shachaf> ion: doesn't combine for me :'(
00:23:35 <ion> Does your $thing render them side by side?
00:24:13 <shachaf> ion: my gnome-terminal does, yes
00:24:29 <ion> Huh. Works here.
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00:39:52 <shachaf> kmc: help monads in monoids are weird :'(
00:40:28 <shachaf> the definition is something like
00:40:41 <shachaf> a homomorphism t : M -> M, and two objects e, m : M
00:41:06 <shachaf> such that forall x: e * x = t(x) * e; m * t(t(x)) = t(x) * m
00:41:23 <shachaf> such that: m * e = m * t(e) = 1; m * t(m) = m * m
01:12:09 <shachaf> kmc: try the refrigerator hth
01:12:19 <shachaf> seems to be a popular place to put things
01:12:24 <kmc> batteries?
01:12:32 <shachaf> Oh, that was a while ago. Yes.
01:12:34 <kmc> the more channels you and I have in common, the more confusing this gets
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01:13:05 <shachaf> Well, I wouldn't want to actually make an unhelpful comment like that in-channel.
01:13:26 <shachaf> (I do know people who put batteries in the refrigerator.)
01:13:48 <kmc> it's not uncommon
01:14:08 <Fiora> I remember my family used to use the frezer
01:14:15 <kmc> i also know people who put important documents in the freezer, as a kind of poor man's fireproof safe
01:14:39 <shachaf> kmc lives with a refrigerator bandit
01:15:37 <shachaf> hmm, "bandit" is the wrong word
01:15:47 <shachaf> i mean someone who puts things into the refrigerator
01:16:13 <shachaf> like tortillas and empty egg shells and, uh, what were the other things
01:17:25 <kmc> egg shells go into the freezer to await composting
01:19:24 <kmc> SF is all about the composting. you can go to the central compost place and demand your share of the dirt created
01:19:31 <kmc> except you have no cheap way of knowing whether it's full of heavy metals :/
01:48:33 <zzo38> Is there a logic that supports varying degrees of "didn't-happen-ness"?
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02:52:00 <Bike> why do you need a center? can't you just put compost in a heap and call it good
02:52:04 <Bike> assuming you have a yard, anyway
02:55:08 <Sgeo> Why isn't Worms as popular in eSports as DotA?
02:55:22 <Bike> who gives a fuck abut e sports ever
02:55:36 <Bike> and do you want jerkass competition heads to find a way to make worms unsilly and boring
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03:43:59 <Sgeo> Am I seriously feeling nostalgic for a piece of crappy web search software from before I was 13?
03:45:54 <Sgeo> Searched via several search engines
03:46:02 <Sgeo> And noted whether each item errored
03:46:15 <Sgeo> Don't remember if it actually showed HTTP status codes
03:47:05 <Sgeo> Remember showing it to a friend. Also, that friend used dial-up while I had cable
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03:48:40 <Sgeo> Going to disconnect and reconnect soonish
03:49:53 <Sgeo> I actually have no idea how VPN stuff works, except that it makes me suddenly about to connect to websites that I couldn't connect to while not being connected to the VPN
03:50:38 <Sgeo> Hmm, that particular website is registered in DNS
03:56:05 <Sgeo> I don't think I actually disconnected
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04:27:26 <tswett> I'm starting to think this embedded language I have in Haskell here has too many combinators.
04:28:02 <tswett> There are... eleven combinators, an apply operator, and two other operators.
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05:29:08 <zzo38> What embedded language is that?
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06:51:41 <kmc> i totally remember Copernicus
06:58:46 <Bike> didn't he have a wooden nose
07:03:06 <Gracenotes> this is silly, I will be getting up at 6am to call an east coast thing
07:03:36 <Bike> did you remember to get high
07:04:00 <Gracenotes> I think I will have to skip that, didn't plan far enough ahead
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07:48:43 <Taneb> `slist EB+GG on LOLAR
07:48:48 <HackEgo> slist EB+GG on LOLAR: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
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08:23:20 <Taneb> Okay, I am in way too many channels
08:23:29 <Taneb> 18 across 3 servers
08:31:58 <shachaf> I have 41 irssi windows open for my Freenode irssi.
08:32:07 <shachaf> It used to be >100, I think.
08:32:25 <shachaf> imo anything ≤19 don't even count
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10:05:26 <oerjan> <tswett> There are... eleven combinators, an apply operator, and two other operators. <-- you just need to discover that most of them are monoid, applicative or monad operations hth
10:13:44 <oerjan> <Bike> didn't he have a wooden nose <-- you are probably confusing with tycho brahe hth
10:14:04 <oerjan> apparently copernicus had a _broken_ nose, though.
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11:13:55 <elliott> oh wow, they're actually calling Linux 3.11 "Linux for Workgroups"?
11:14:07 <elliott> maybe it's just the rcs but I really hope so
11:17:12 <fizzie> [[ Still, Torvalds says that application developers are very important. They're not "real men" like kernel developers, he says, but still are "necessary" for Linux to succeed. ]]
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15:33:19 <kmc> fizzie: fuck that guy
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16:41:20 <fizzie> I'd really rather not.
17:00:05 <kmc> wowowowowow Rust lets you put trait (≈ typeclass) constraints on the free variables of a closure, as part of the function's type
17:01:01 <kmc> this is useful for (and only permitted for) traits that have special meaning to the compiler, like Copy
17:05:01 <kmc> shachaf: ^
17:07:27 * Fiora gives shachaf a plushie
17:21:34 <tswett> oerjan: ah, of course.
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17:32:13 <kmc> 'morning shachaf, Fiora et al
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18:31:21 <shachaf> kmc: you have no idea what you're info
18:36:43 <Taneb> kmc, I got a webcam!
18:36:56 <fizzie> Huh, so lame: R7RS draft 9 has dropped the number of {foo/, foo-quotient, foo-remainder} triplets to two (floor, truncate), out of draft 6's six (ceiling, floor, truncate, round, euclidean, centered).
18:37:01 <fizzie> (Though maybe they've just been moved out of the "small" language.)
18:37:07 <Taneb> And also t-shirt transfer paper
18:37:21 <fizzie> Taneb: Are you going to transfer the webcam to a t-shirt?!
18:37:54 <Taneb> Wouldn't that be cool
18:41:04 <kmc> shachaf: ?
18:41:12 <kmc> Taneb: cool, what will you use it for
18:41:21 <kmc> shachaf: a pun?
18:41:36 <Taneb> kmc, Homestuck cosplay immediately
18:41:44 <shachaf> which is the same thing as no pun at all
18:42:08 <kmc> shachaf: did you know this above Astounding Fact about Rust?
18:42:35 <Taneb> It's formed by the oxidization of iron?
18:42:49 <shachaf> Do you have an example somewhere?
18:42:52 <Taneb> It's accelerated by salt and water?
18:44:11 <kmc> already forgot where I saw it, sorry shachaf
18:45:35 <kmc> also do you want to go to the Computer History Museum sometime? have you already been?
18:46:55 <Taneb> That sounds pretty cool
18:47:03 <Taneb> I am in if you'll pay for my transport
18:47:35 <elliott> I am in with the same conditions as Taneb
18:47:50 <Taneb> elliott will come if you pay for my transport
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18:52:38 <shachaf> but could possibly go again?
18:52:45 <shachaf> i'll certainly go if you pay for Taneb's transport
18:52:53 <kmc> have you been to http://www.museemechanique.org/ ? and would you want to go
18:53:08 <kmc> "one of the world’s largest privately owned collections of mechanically operated musical instruments and antique arcade machines."
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18:56:21 <kmc> and it's near the In-n-Out Burger
18:57:23 <oerjan> is that the kind of burger that comes out as fast as it goes in
19:01:38 <kmc> no i think that would be White Castle
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19:10:16 <raineys> in brainfuck, does [ always test the byte at the current pointer? or does the tested pointer remain static through each iteration?
19:10:35 <Bike> current pointer
19:13:37 <shachaf> I had an implementation that didn't always test the currant pointer but it kept raisin exceptions.
19:14:07 <raineys> doesn't sounds like a very good implementation
19:16:22 <shachaf> well, my friend ana was the one who wrote that code. i just didn't want to insult ana.
19:18:32 <shachaf> Fiora: aren't these puns grape?
19:18:36 <shachaf> or would you say they're a bit dry
19:18:43 * oerjan swats shachaf -----###
19:19:00 <Fiora> orange you glad raineys gave you the chance to make these puns?
19:23:46 <oerjan> i'd avocado stopping right now
19:23:52 <Fiora> this is a berry bad idea
19:24:37 <shachaf> i grapefruit papaya lemon watermelon blackberry
19:24:53 <oerjan> i think shachaf did that think once before
19:25:41 <shachaf> oerjan: Did you know a monad in a group is an inner automorphism?
19:26:16 <oerjan> i saw your mention of monads in monoids, decided to spare my brain hth
19:26:42 <shachaf> oerjan: your brain has not earned sparing hth
19:27:01 <oerjan> who are you, god or something
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19:30:16 * oerjan punches shachaf in the nose
19:30:33 <oerjan> been wanting to do that for years hth
19:30:59 <shachaf> are you one of those atheists
19:31:29 <oerjan> oh no, there's no use punching things you don't believe exist, hth
19:31:47 <Fiora> shachaf doesn't exist?
19:31:50 <Fiora> or does he not have a nose
19:32:23 <oerjan> i think you may be confused. this may be better than the alternative hth
19:33:12 <oerjan> Fiora: no, i'm pointing out you have to believe god exists before it make sense to try to punch him hth
19:33:18 <Fiora> but you punched shachaf
19:33:47 <oerjan> Fiora: i am sorry, he clearly answered yes hth
19:33:54 <shachaf> oerjan: oh, maybe that was unclear
19:34:00 <shachaf> oerjan: i answered yes to "something"
19:34:17 <AnotherTest> Fiora: may it be noted that it is trivial to punch someone in /the/ nose if that someone does not have a nose
19:34:31 <oerjan> ah. well i guess that's ok as i've wanted to punch _something_ for quite a while too.
19:34:38 <AnotherTest> (assuming another person - with a nose - is present of course)
19:36:56 <oerjan> AnotherTest: i am sorry, but there is nothing trivial about interpreting nonexistent "the" noun phrases. if you want to be understood, anyway.
19:37:59 <AnotherTest> oerjan: what! but the prove is analogous to the other trivial proof which - after some calculation - works out
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19:50:05 <kmc> in-n-out-amorphism
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20:24:07 <zzo38> A monad in a group is an inner automorphism? Yes, that seems right to me, although I don't know what "inner" is, here.
20:25:04 <shachaf> zzo38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_automorphism
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20:28:19 <zzo38> Yes, it would probably have to be something like that (although I didn't prove it, but it seems like it).
20:30:12 <shachaf> zzo38: http://math.stackexchange.com/q/443847
20:30:25 <kmc> rustc is so slow :(
20:30:35 <kmc> and the unit of separate compilation is pretty coarse, at least for servo
20:31:01 <Fiora> is rustc the compiler?
20:31:15 <elliott> they should have called it rustic :(
20:31:24 <elliott> rust interactive compiler or something
20:31:34 <kmc> "Rustic" is the adjective for idiomatic Rust code, like "Pythonic" or whatever
20:31:37 <Fiora> does it use like llvm as the backend or does it have its own thing?
20:31:51 <Taneb> What's the equivalent for Haskell?
20:31:58 <kmc> haskellicious
20:53:34 <nooodl> i,i channel your inner automorphism
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21:29:34 <zzo38> Taneb: Mathematically correct.
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21:41:27 <kmc> maximum number of steps for a halting 2-symbol TM with 2, 3, ... states
21:41:35 <kmc> the last two are lower bounds only
21:41:52 <Fiora> http://mnxmnkmnd.tumblr.com/post/55543165531/ <--- bike, this is kind of wow @_@
21:42:09 <Bike> I know, right.
21:42:21 <Bike> "There's a theory that humans evolved flatter muzzles due to constantly palming their faces in response to stupid theories."
21:44:13 <oerjan> Bike: sadly that is lamarckianism, and thus clearly nonsense hth
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21:45:26 <Bike> oh, randomly reminded, i had a dream about a store that was probably kmc-inspired
21:45:46 <Bike> it was a glass store, all they had was glass and glass accessories, such as glass tubes and "weed hangers"
21:46:08 <Bike> they had a display with glass tubes that were bad because the government had put cameras in them
21:47:05 <Phantom_Hoover> i mean "even though this history occurred before cars existed" c'mon
21:47:09 <Bike> the thing i quoted is, the thing in the link apparently is not
21:47:35 <Bike> especially since it goes on with "What are the fundamental properties of sex-typed toys that make them differentially interesting to girls versus boys?"
21:48:10 <Bike> kmc: weed hangers looked like giant hairclips. please instruct me how to hang weed with them
21:48:38 <Fiora> bike I'm sorry I can't enjoy this lego set
21:48:41 <Fiora> it is insufficiently pink
21:48:48 <Fiora> and my eyes evolved to ignore things that weren't pink enough
21:52:08 <Phantom_Hoover> wait is the stuff about pink having a historically fluctuating link with gender false then?
21:52:40 <Fiora> yes, the world did not actually exist before 1950 !!
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21:53:18 <elliott> it's actually 1995 that everything started existing
21:53:24 <Fiora> that was only for you elliott :<
21:53:27 <Fiora> stop being so solipsistic!
21:53:53 <elliott> it's not my fault everyone who thinks they're older has fake memories
21:53:54 <Bike_> he doesn't have any other options
21:54:03 <elliott> can you really imagine anything before 1995??
21:54:05 <Fiora> Bike_: http://i.imgur.com/esAzEkp.png I had to change my IRC window color scheme to match the expectations of evopsychiness :<
21:54:10 <Phantom_Hoover> well no it's just oerjan said something about it being a myth
21:54:21 <Bike_> Fiora: lol it looks like dos
21:54:36 <Phantom_Hoover> that might've just been the thing about them switching mid-20th century though
21:54:39 <elliott> that irssi is almost as beautiful as mine
21:54:52 <Bike_> Phantom_Hoover: (no, the thing about pink being red/manly in the past is apparently true)
21:55:40 <Bike_> "Yet it is males who suffer in our society. From boyhood through adulthood, the White American Male must fight his way through a litany of taunts, assumptions and grievances about his very existence. His oppression is unlike anything American women have faced."
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21:55:56 <Fiora> bike is this parody ._.
21:56:24 <Bike> "Things are no better in college. There, young men face the perils of Title IX, the 1972 law designed to ban sex discrimination in all educational programs.
21:56:43 <elliott> also whoa Fiora has #esoteric on the correct window number
21:56:57 <elliott> take notes, people, it's meant to be window 2
21:57:14 <Bike> Fiora: it's elliottic law.
21:57:22 <Fiora> bike could you maybe not post this
21:57:56 <shachaf> the correct window number for #esoteric is 11
21:58:00 <Bike> well i already did
21:58:06 <Bike> i can't retroactively unpost
21:58:11 <Bike> or... can i..........
21:59:15 <Fiora> not post more? I don't know
21:59:22 <zzo38> My windows don't have numbers. Is that wrong?
22:01:08 <Bike> oh. well that's easy.
22:01:37 <oerjan> <Bike_> Phantom_Hoover: (no, the thing about pink being red/manly in the past is apparently true) <-- itym "disputed" hth
22:02:51 <shachaf> oerjan: are you addicted to hth
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22:03:08 <shachaf> someone should write a program to see what oerjan's record number of consecutive lines not ending in hth is
22:03:24 <oerjan> <elliott> take notes, people, it's meant to be window 2 <-- yay me too!
22:04:01 <oerjan> shachaf: no i can stop any time hth
22:04:36 <Bike> are you watching
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22:19:24 <tswett> elliott: you were born in 2010. }:|
22:19:37 <tswett> What do you think of your baby brother?
22:20:01 <zzo38> oerjan: Are you addicted to "no i can stop any time hth"?
22:28:34 <HackEgo> 173) <tswett> elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are now my baby nephew. <olsner> wtf, elliott is a nephew and his uncle is here? <nooga> what <tswett> Heck yes I'm elliott's uncle.
22:28:48 <Phantom_Hoover> (for those not up to scratch with all the stupid in-jokes)
22:29:07 <oerjan> > var $ fix(("no i can stop \"" ++).(++"\" any time hth"))
22:29:08 <lambdabot> no i can stop "no i can stop "no i can stop "no i can stop "no i can stop "...
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22:38:08 <Fiora> https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/blob/master/QR.rb @___@
22:38:12 <Fiora> it's a 50-language quine
22:38:32 <Fiora> https://raw.github.com/mame/quine-relay/master/langs.png
22:38:47 <Fiora> geeez it includes BF, whitespace, verilog, and INTERCAL XD
22:39:06 <tswett> And it's only six kilobytes?
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22:40:50 <tswett> I wonder if there's a name for whatever creature that ouroboros is formed from.
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23:30:33 <elliott> Do you really want to oppress a minority? Because Finns are a minority
23:30:34 <elliott> compared to almost any other country. If you want to talk cultural
23:30:34 <elliott> sensitivity, I'll join you. But my culture includes cursing.
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23:52:28 <shachaf> I thought I overheard people talking about cache but it turned out they were talking about cash.
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23:53:36 <shachaf> i was going to make a pun about that on jul 4 but then i didn't :'(
23:56:11 <elliott> I mentally pronounced "cache" as "cash-ay" before I knew how it's really pronounced and now I can't stop