00:00:21 <shachaf> What do you call a thing where f . a = a ?
00:01:13 <shachaf> . is function composition or something.
00:01:27 <shachaf> And a isn't universally quantified here.
00:02:58 <shachaf> I bet this is a fixed point thing!
00:03:16 <olsner> hmm, discoveries of the day: ghc includes its own dynamic linker, and can load plain .o files too ... but only if they have less than 65280 sections
00:03:27 <Bike> in that a is a fixed point of (f .), i guess
00:03:48 <Bike> maybe you could just say "a is a fixed point of (f .)"
00:03:54 <shachaf> Bike: Right. In particular when a : 1 -> X, this is just a regular fixed point (e.g. http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/fixed+point ).
00:04:05 <shachaf> But I'm trying to figure out what the limit of an endomorphism is.
00:04:35 <shachaf> (By an endomorphism I mean a diagram with an endomorphism etc. etc.)
00:05:21 <shachaf> OK, so let's say we have a diagram in some category with an object A and a (possibly) non-identity arrow f : A -> A
00:05:44 <shachaf> A cone is an element E and an arrow e : E -> A such that f . e = e
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00:07:02 <shachaf> A limit is a terminal cone. I.e. a cone (L,r) such that for any cone (E,e) there exists a unique h : L -> E such that e . h = r (uh, is this definition correct?)
00:09:18 <shachaf> A limit is a terminal cone. I.e. a cone (L,r) such that for any cone (E,e) there exists a unique h : E -> L such that e . h = r (uh, is this definition correct?)
00:09:40 <Gracenotes> is this the other kind of esoterica I keep hearing about?
00:10:05 <Bike> only if shachaf is smoking.
00:10:23 <shachaf> A limit is a terminal cone. I.e. a cone (L,r) such that for any cone (E,e) there exists a unique h : E -> L such that r . h = e (uh, is this definition correct?)
00:12:16 <monotone> Is there smoke pouring out of his ears?
00:12:35 <shachaf> OK, let's try a concrete example.
00:12:36 <elliott> wait did I `relcome monotone and/or ask monotone who they are and where they came from yet
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00:17:20 <monotone> I assume the "r" stands for "rainbow" given that it displays the message in brilliant Technicolor.
00:17:52 <elliott> we have... a lot of welcomes.
00:18:20 <HackEgo> WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
00:18:24 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wElCoMe: not found
00:18:41 <HackEgo> Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.)
00:18:45 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WeLcOMe: not found
00:18:51 <HackEgo> WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
00:18:59 <monotone> I think there was one with fullwidth characters too.
00:19:05 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: konnichiwa: not found
00:19:14 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ｗｅｌｃｏｍｅ: not found
00:19:20 <HackEgo> ! \ ? \ @ \ ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \ addquote \ addwep \ allquotes \ anonlog \ aseen \ botsnack \ bseen \ calc \ CaT \ chaf \ define \ delquote \ e \ emmental \ emoclew \ emptylist \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fueue \ gaseen \ gccrun \ google \ h \ ?h \ h! \ hatesgeo \ hello \ ?hh \ hyfinate \ hyphenate.fi \ `i \ instalist \ interp \
00:19:22 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bonjour: not found
00:19:28 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome.fr: not found
00:19:30 <HackEgo> ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ ＴＯ ＴＨＥ ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ ＨＵＢ ＦＯＲ ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ ＤＥＳＩＧＮ ＡＮＤ ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴ！ ＦＯＲ ＭＯＲＥ ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ， ＣＨＥ
00:19:36 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome.es: not found
00:19:48 <Sgeo> Fun fact: A tutorial that comes with Pharo 2.0 is broken
00:19:49 <HackEgo> ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.)
00:19:58 <elliott> I'm just surprised Fiora managed to forget all the different welcomes
00:20:05 <elliott> after having all of them used on her about five times each
00:20:27 <Phantom_Hoover> and whilst it is still a fact on a technicality i feel it tarries the name
00:20:44 <elliott> well you may have blissfully forgotten the part where you were automatically welcomed like 100 times for some reason
00:20:49 <Bike> the noble name of the O'Facts
00:20:57 <Bike> sgeo has soiled it
00:21:23 <Bike> `run ls wisdom/ | grep welc
00:21:25 <Fiora> elliott: you remember I have like, no memory right <.<
00:21:30 <Bike> `run ls wisdom/
00:21:32 <HackEgo> As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead.
00:21:52 <elliott> Fiora: if I said I forgot, would you believe me?
00:22:21 <Bike> `run wget $(pastewisdom) | grep welc
00:22:23 <HackEgo> --2013-07-31 00:22:23-- http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden \ 2013-07-31 00:22:23 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
00:22:36 <Fiora> (because you're my clone etc :P)
00:22:43 <Bike> `? welcome.bork
00:22:45 <HackEgo> welcome.bork Velcume-a tu zee interneshunel hoob fur isutereec prugremmeeng lungooege-a deseegn und depluyment! Fur mure-a inffurmeshun, check oooot oooor veeki: http://isulungs.oorg/veeki/Meeen_Pege-a. (Fur zee oozeer keend ooff isutereeca, try #isutereec oon irc.del.net.)
00:22:50 <elliott> Fiora: I have bad news for you. I didn't forget
00:23:12 <elliott> that welcome.bork does not look quite right
00:23:24 <elliott> those entries shouldn't have the name at the start
00:23:44 <Bike> doesthiswork: what are you, some kinda factory apologist? all our welcomes are hand-crafted!
00:24:03 <Bike> is "wit." supposed to be "witness"
00:24:26 <doesthiswork> Phantom_Hoover: At least this channel is consistent I guess.
00:24:48 <elliott> you know if our welcomes were actually hand-crafted we'd type them out ourselves.
00:25:01 <Bike> uh this isn't the stone age elliott.
00:25:27 <Bike> Phantom_Hoover: i was just thinking, like, that's exactly what "c.f." is for
00:25:35 <Bike> or "cf." if you're a fucking hippie yes
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00:26:18 <monotone> They're all about free information. Of course they're hippies.
00:26:19 <kmc> an enjoyable activity
00:26:27 <kmc> oh i have voice again?
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00:27:09 <Bike> elliott: please comment r.e: optimal voice status
00:27:26 <Phantom_Hoover> so anyway i obtained and read THEM: adventures with extremists by jon ronson and it is very good
00:32:29 <oerjan> <elliott> those entries shouldn't have the name at the start <-- i guess someone used `learn without understanding.
00:33:06 <elliott> learning without understanding. that's deep
00:40:48 <Sgeo> World announcer
00:40:48 <Sgeo> on: WindowOpened
00:40:49 <Sgeo> to: [:ea | ea inspect. Transcript show: 'A new window was opened';cr].
00:41:09 <Sgeo> oops meant to paste a link to a pastebin
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00:48:34 <HackEgo> tail: cannot open `+1' for reading: No such file or directory \ ==> bin/ls <== \ #!/bin/bash \ if /bin/ls -id "$@" 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^752129 ; then echo 'As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead.'; else exec -a ls /bin/ls "$@"; fi
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00:51:09 <Bike> it has the inode hardcoded. great huh
00:51:40 <elliott> that's to catch indirect ways of referring to the wisdom directory
00:51:44 <elliott> but yes it should just look up the inode
00:52:08 <monotone> `run (echo '#!/usr/bin/tail -1'; echo 'meow meow meow meow') > bin/cats && chmod +x bin/cats
00:52:33 <Phantom_Hoover> <elliott> that's to catch indirect ways of referring to the wisdom directory
00:52:56 <Phantom_Hoover> if you're that committed to pinging a bunch of people you could just do that manually...
00:53:10 <elliott> it's the principle of the thing!
00:53:12 <Bike> yes but huge babies.
00:53:17 <Bike> huge, dorky babies
00:54:41 <elliott> did we get an answer re: where monotone came from. new people are scary. help
00:54:54 <Bike> you never asked
00:54:59 <Bike> you just asked whether you'd asked
00:55:13 <Bike> c'mon elliott keep up
00:55:19 <elliott> Bike. Bike, stay on my good side here
00:55:41 <Bike> you don't have one, hth
00:57:20 <kmc> today people from Microsoft wandered around SF handing out cupcakes to apologize for how shitty IE 6 was
00:57:23 <kmc> https://twitter.com/IE
00:59:55 <monotone> I was planning on just lurking, but apparently there's only so long I can hide before I get a `relcome.
01:01:53 <CADD> kmc: thats amazing!
01:06:31 <Bike> monotone: the fiora contingency, we call it
01:07:13 <monotone> Sounds like the title of an unpublished Michael Crichton novel.
01:08:00 <Bike> "Do Twinkies last forever? Is Iceland made of ice? Things aren't always what they seem. Learn more at http://www.browseryoulovedtohate.com." wow, kmc.
01:10:11 <CADD> Bike: reminds me of http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/
01:10:44 <Bike> yeah but this is an official marketing campaign.
01:10:57 <Bike> "Curious? It's good now. No, really."
01:12:38 <Fiora> gosh, why are microsoft marketing campaigns so like, strangely amusing
01:12:46 <Fiora> it feels like they're from an alternate universe that's slightly different from ours
01:13:00 <monotone> Exhibit A: Jerry Seinfeld commercials.
01:13:20 <CADD> Fiora: but see, we are still in the same universe. because that is the best that MS can come up with!
01:14:14 <kmc> to be fair I think IE is actually good now
01:14:24 <Bike> this campaign is pretty lulzy nonetheless
01:15:54 <monotone> I stopped being surprised when my JavaScript started working on it the first time, so I guess that's a win.
01:17:04 <CADD> monotone: they are trying to get you to use silverlight!
01:18:59 <Bike> whoa they're missing a huge market there
01:20:05 <CADD> lol, i would never run ie on my linux boxes, even if i could
01:20:56 <kmc> FreeFull: even with Wine?
01:21:12 <CADD> oh man, whenever i work on a linux box i always bring linux to windows
01:21:23 <FreeFull> I don't think the newest IE will
01:21:40 <kmc> I bet they use undocumented APIs
01:21:48 <kmc> somebody was talking about how the only way to Valgrind windows programs is to run them in Wine
01:22:17 <Bike> do browsers form a poset
01:22:24 <CADD> kmc: really? thats actually really interesting
01:22:37 <CADD> Bike: depends on what you are measuring
01:22:43 <kmc> Bike: my brain chip informs me that Firefox is the best one
01:22:58 <FreeFull> I should try running valgrind on a haskell program
01:23:19 <Bike> kmc: can i get a brain chip....
01:24:46 <monotone> `run (echo '#!/bin/sh'; echo 'echo "$@" | tr A-Za-z0-9 [A*26][a*26][4*10]') > bin/aaaaaaaaa && chmod +x bin/aaaaaaaaa
01:25:06 <kmc> FreeFull: hm that could be fun
01:25:12 <monotone> `aaaaaaaaa Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet 12345.
01:25:13 <HackEgo> Aaaaa aaaaa aaaaa aaa aaaa 44444.
01:26:12 <kmc> that's like the buzzfilter
01:26:28 <kmc> also did not know that tr supports A*26 syntax!
01:26:35 <kmc> learn somethin new everyday
01:27:03 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: afaiac the bin/ls is only meant to catch naive attempts to list wisdom/ , but it tries to be permissive in how the directory itself is referred to because newbies don't always choose the shortest forms. afaict it works for its purpose.
01:27:30 <HackEgo> bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr \ var
01:28:02 <monotone> kmc: I went looking on the man page because it was either that or piping through tr multiple times. (Or `tr A-Z AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA`...)
01:29:35 <monotone> I feel like continually tossing useless stuff into bin/ on my second day here is a bit gauche, though, so I'll stop.
01:31:19 <oerjan> `addquote <monotone> I was planning on just lurking, but apparently there's only so long I can hide before I get a `relcome.
01:31:22 <HackEgo> 1077) <monotone> I was planning on just lurking, but apparently there's only so long I can hide before I get a `relcome.
01:32:06 <kmc> tr a-Z "[`perl -e "print 'A'x26"`]"
01:32:23 <Fiora> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB5txqIl8jQ microsoft's commercials are just so bizarre these days
01:32:50 <Fiora> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr3dFSzh1yU just I I really don't know what they were thinking
01:32:57 <kmc> i like the dubstep IE commercials
01:33:02 <kmc> and by "like" I mean "enjoy making fun of"
01:33:15 <elliott> Fiora: are Microsoft's commercials nowadays any more baffling than, um, the rest of Microsoft nowadays
01:33:18 <Fiora> oh gosh, they made dubstep IE ones too?
01:33:28 <kmc> anyway obligatory observation that this conversation proves they are good commercials
01:33:29 <Fiora> do they suddenly have like, marketing managers who really really love dubstep?
01:33:44 <kmc> I think they have marketing managers who love whatever was cool 1-2 years ago
01:33:49 <Fiora> I don't think that it makes them good commercials unless people actually buy them
01:33:53 <Fiora> and I don't think people bought the surface
01:34:01 <kmc> yeah it doesn't actually prove it, but it suggests it
01:34:12 <kmc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFE4rkSaKOY dubstep IE commercial
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01:34:29 <Fiora> like there was that huge focus on ads during the tech bubble right? and superbowl ads and stuff
01:34:32 <kmc> drop at 0:30
01:34:40 <Fiora> and like, everyone watched and talked about them and everyone was making a big deal and then they all went out of business anyways
01:34:43 <monotone> tr A-Z `jsc <<< "new Array(27).join('A')"`
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01:38:55 <FreeFull> tr A-Z `dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1 count=26 | tr -c '' A`
01:39:08 <oerjan> dammit first time i make pizza in weeks and i forget to adjust the oven properly.
01:41:09 <oerjan> at least the temperature is correct, so hopefully no major difference.
01:41:21 <CADD> Fiora: reminds me of highschool musical..
01:41:22 <kmc> quintopia: by being the best
01:41:39 <kmc> elliott you're raising the \rainbow{CHANNEL TEMPERATURE}
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01:42:17 <quintopia> how did you get ops kmc? you're not so great as that.
01:42:33 * oerjan pours liquid nitrogen onto the other ops
01:42:45 <elliott> quintopia: I bestowed them upon him
01:42:48 <elliott> because I am so great as that
01:44:21 <oerjan> quintopia: while elliott probably bestowed these ops, kmc also has ops in general hth
01:44:41 <oerjan> which i bestowed, fwiw
01:45:29 <quintopia> i figured as much, but i wouldn't have predicted it.
01:45:52 <quintopia> i will accept the judgment of oerjan the almighty, but not without question
01:46:00 <elliott> oerjan: i take credit for kmc's successful op campaign
01:46:38 <elliott> otoh I credit mnoqy for my successful campaign
01:46:57 <FreeFull> Note that it doesn't actually matter that it's urandom
01:47:07 <FreeFull> Hmm, how would you make it matter?
01:47:48 <monotone> Wait for 26 "A" bytes to come down the stream and pluck 'em out.
01:49:40 <FreeFull> tr A-Z `cat /dev/urandom | tr -cd A | dd bs=1 count=26`
01:51:17 <FreeFull> `run echo Trombone | tr A-Z `cat /dev/urandom | tr -cd A | dd bs=1 count=26`
01:51:19 <HackEgo> 26+0 records in \ 26+0 records out \ 26 bytes (26 B) copied, 0.269565 s, 0.1 kB/s \ Arombone
01:52:41 <FreeFull> I have no idea why it didn't work as intended
01:52:48 <FreeFull> `run echo Trombone | tr A-Z `cat /dev/urandom | tr -cd A | dd bs=1 count=26 2> /dev/null`
01:53:51 <FreeFull> So it's actually working as intended
01:54:23 <FreeFull> You know, you can use dd to do multiplication
01:54:28 <Bike> `run echo TROM FUCKING BONE | tr A-Z `cat /dev/urandom | tr -cd A | dd bs=1 count=26 2> /dev/null`
01:54:35 <Bike> `run echo TROM FUCKING BONE | tr A-Z `cat /dev/urandom | tr -cd A | dd bs=1 count=26 2> /dev/null`
01:54:39 <oerjan> FreeFull: your definition of intent is somewhat lacking hth
01:55:48 <FreeFull> `run cat /dev/zero | dd bs=3 count=4 2>1 1>/dev/null
01:55:54 <FreeFull> `run cat /dev/zero | dd bs=3 count=4 2>1
01:56:08 <FreeFull> `run cat /dev/zero | dd bs=3 count=4
01:56:09 <HackEgo> ............4+0 records in \ 4+0 records out \ 12 bytes (12 B) copied, 0.03546 s, 0.3 kB/s
01:56:29 <HackEgo> 4+0 records in \ 4+0 records out \ 12 bytes (12 B) copied, 0.054559 s, 0.2 kB/s
01:56:58 <FreeFull> `run cat /dev/zero | dd bs=3 count=4 2>&1 1>/dev/null
01:56:59 <HackEgo> 4+0 records in \ 4+0 records out \ 12 bytes (12 B) copied, 0.0012 s, 10.0 kB/s
01:58:32 <Bike> `run cat /dev/zero | dd bs=4 count=7 1>/dev/null
01:58:33 <HackEgo> 7+0 records in \ 7+0 records out \ 28 bytes (28 B) copied, 0.047547 s, 0.6 kB/s
01:59:01 <Bike> not liking the big O here
01:59:08 <FreeFull> `run cat /dev/zero | dd bs=3 count=4 2>&1 1>/dev/null | awk -- '{ print $9 }' -
01:59:54 <FreeFull> `run cat /dev/zero | dd bs=3 count=4 2>&1 1>/dev/null | xargs | awk -- '{ print $9 }' -
02:00:05 <FreeFull> `run cat /dev/zero | dd bs=3 count=4 2>&1 1>/dev/null | xargs | awk -- '{ print $7 }' -
02:00:31 <FreeFull> `run cat /dev/zero | dd bs=1234 count=1111 2>&1 1>/dev/null | xargs | awk -- '{ print $7 }' -
02:00:54 <FreeFull> Much better than using bc or dc though =P
02:02:03 <Bike> `run echo '1234 1111*p' | time dc
02:02:05 <HackEgo> bash: time: command not found
02:02:36 <FreeFull> Huh, today I learned HackEgo doesn't have time
02:02:51 <HackEgo> bi \ bin \ canary \ delvs \ delvs-master \ etc \ factor \ hi-bool.bf \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ master.tar.gz \ multiply.bf \ no \ paste \ pref \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom \ \ real0m0.271s \ user0m0.000s \ sys0m0.170s
02:03:45 <HackEgo> echo -n $@ | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | zalgo | z
02:06:14 <HackEgo> bi: ASCII text, with very long lines
02:06:44 <HackEgo> ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information.
02:06:52 <HackEgo> -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 419 Jun 20 20:39 bi
02:07:50 <kmc> troubleshooting server hardware by binary search
02:09:28 <FreeFull> Gracenotes: How else am I supposed to tell how big files are? dd? =P
02:09:50 <FreeFull> Maybe one should just use dd for everything
02:09:52 <Gracenotes> well, I use -h even when I don't strictly care about the size
02:10:43 <zzo38> FreeFull: Well, it is possible to use dd for everything and this is how CLC-INTERCAL distributions work.
02:10:47 <HackEgo> df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory
02:10:58 <HackEgo> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) \ none on /bin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/bin/) \ none on /usr type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/) \ none on /dev type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/dev/) \ none on /opt type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/opt/) \ none on /lib type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib/) \ none on /sbin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/sb
02:11:12 <FreeFull> zzo38: I don't think dd is turing-complete
02:11:55 <zzo38> FreeFull: Well, the shell is also used for control
02:13:32 <kmc> if this were 1995 i would say that my two SATA controllers ended up on the same IRQ or something
02:13:37 <kmc> except for SATA not existing, ofc
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02:15:16 <pikhq_> Of course, to an ignorant OS, SATA looks like PATA.
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02:18:35 <FreeFull> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE (PRETTY PLEASE) DO NOT ASK ME TO SEE THE REST OF THIS PROGRAM
02:19:04 <oerjan> is PLEASE PLEASE legal syntax
02:20:26 <zzo38> As long as you don't try to execute that line, I suppose it is.
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02:23:57 <FreeFull> http://smuggle.intercal.org.uk/examples/hello.i
02:25:08 <zzo38> However I think if the program is loaded using punch cards that the computer can read/write, it is supposed to print an asterisk next to the lines with an invalid syntax, but compile the program anyways
02:25:31 <FreeFull> "Note that a future version of CLC-INTERCAL plans to embed a Whitespace compiler inside the standard compiler. When that is done, whitespace will be still ignored by the standard compiler, but it will have a new meaning. We'll change this chapter as necessary when we do that. "
02:25:40 <zzo38> Or something like that; maybe not that.
02:26:07 <zzo38> Maybe it is supposed to print it on a separate sheet of paper; I am unsure.
02:28:52 <oerjan> <elliott> was the tunes link there because of glogbot outages or such? <-- yes.
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02:29:58 <BadBobby> (Note: I am not actually Bad Bobby)
02:30:23 <zzo38> I didn't think you are. I think you are supposed to be :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:cdc1:17bf:fac6:935c instead.
02:31:07 <kmc> `addquote <BadBobby> (Note: I am not actually Bad Bobby)
02:31:10 <HackEgo> 1078) <BadBobby> (Note: I am not actually Bad Bobby)
02:31:36 <kmc> `addquote <zzo38> If you want to ask me if I believe in determinism then you have to be more specific. <zzo38> I haven't checked if I conduct electricity significantly better than average, though.
02:31:39 <HackEgo> 1079) <zzo38> If you want to ask me if I believe in determinism then you have to be more specific. <zzo38> I haven't checked if I conduct electricity significantly better than average, though.
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02:32:41 <oerjan> Gracenotes: it's ok Sgeo will change back to ipv4 once it's no longer used by anyone
02:33:20 <zzo38> A few gopher servers are IPv6 only, such as the one for INTERCAL
02:33:42 <BadBobby> I was hoping someone would recognize this name
02:35:32 <BadBobby> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-09/14/eve-online-heist
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02:49:22 <kmc> now everything works except that one of the two (identical) SATA cards is super slow when the BIOS or GRUB is talking to it, but it's fine when linux is talking to it
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03:26:15 <shachaf> What is the free category on the quiver •↺ ?
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03:26:33 <shachaf> Is it naturals or conaturals or what?
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03:30:54 <mnoqy> looks like the naturals to me
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03:31:24 <HackEgo> smlist (415): shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy
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03:40:33 <shachaf> when can we expect the next `olist update
03:41:44 <Sgeo> You can start expecting it now. There's a good chance that it will update at some point in the future.
03:41:58 <Sgeo> As such, the expectation is unlikely to be incorrect
03:42:16 <Sgeo> (As in, expectation comes into being now, blah)
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04:06:40 * shachaf mixes some prime noise into #esoteric
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04:25:25 <kmc> ♫ — ♫ — ♫ — ♫ ０ ２ ５ ８ ８ ０ ２ ５ ８ ８ ♫ — ♫ — ♫ — ♫
04:41:22 <ion> ITYM ♪|♪♪♪♪♪♪|♩♪♩♪|♩♪♩♪|♩𝄽𝄽|
04:50:33 <Sgeo> Windows confuses me
04:50:54 <Sgeo> Win32 functions use stdcall or something and other libraries use cdecl?
04:51:02 <kmc> that's right (?)
04:51:03 <Sgeo> (At least, I had to use cdecl to call the VP SDK)
04:51:18 <Sgeo> Even though those other libraries are on Windows?
04:51:25 <kmc> also they have their own wacky calling convention for C++ where 'this' is passed in a register and everything else on the stack (on 32-bit)
04:53:18 <kmc> ion: what are the penultimate and antipenultimate characters of that?
04:53:25 <kmc> antepenultimate* damnit
04:53:31 * kmc fails so hard at being pretentious
04:54:45 <shachaf> kmc: 1D13D MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER REST [𝄽]
04:55:01 <Bike> quarter rests are complete bullshit, imo
04:55:32 <shachaf> Bike: is there anything that isn't, iyo
04:55:44 <kmc> shachaf: yeah
04:57:55 <Sgeo> NetHack 4 sounds interesting but the server apparently acts wonky
05:01:36 <shachaf> higgledy piggledy / poacher of lincolnshire / playing some music, then, / after a wait, // reading five numbers; the / antepenultimate / reading we heard: zero / two five eight eight
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05:12:54 <oerjan> girl genius is breaking new technological ground
05:13:06 <shachaf> oerjan: oh no should i read that
05:13:58 <oerjan> although i was referring to today's comic in particular.
05:15:35 <shachaf> Bike: time to teach me about coëqualizers imo
05:15:50 <Bike> not with those diareses i'm not
05:16:28 <shachaf> Bike: time to teach me about co-equalizers imo
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08:12:07 <Taneb> Aaaah I have become too dependent on RSS dohickeys
08:12:24 <Taneb> Now my free trial on BazQux has run out I don't know what to do
08:12:57 <fizzie> Pay through your nose, of course.
08:13:32 <Taneb> fizzie, I've... misplaced my bank card
08:21:26 <fizzie> I don't think you're supposed to keep those in your nose, anyway.
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08:46:49 <oerjan> you know _someone_ is going to get a nose operation just so they can pay through their nose.
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09:05:42 <Jafet> I paid all of my savings through my nose and so I will now have to get a nose job.
09:06:41 <Taneb> I knacked up my finger
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12:08:12 <fizzie> This one reviewer recommends four papers that we should consider in our discussion and (presumably) cite.
12:08:20 <fizzie> Three of the four papers are from the same triplet of authors.
12:08:48 <fizzie> It would be interesting to know whether the reviewer is one of those three names.
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12:50:30 <boily> good front wind morning!
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13:00:46 <boily> how ended yesterday's slapfest? were there any casualties?
13:01:54 <boily> no missiles launched? no grey goo cataclysm? no helvetica scenario? :(
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18:02:21 <HackEgo> Rito: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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18:05:57 <kmc> Kwikset is a hilarious name for a brand of locks
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18:13:49 <boily> were they scared away, as the usual relcommed guest? did they leave to inquire upon Kiwkset's hilarity? will they return? all these Questions answered in the next episode of #esoteric!
18:14:06 <elliott> but will we find out their coordinates and body weigh?
18:14:36 <monotone> I assume our contacts at the NSA are on that.
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18:15:23 <boily> ssh! we musn't alert their agents!
18:15:39 <boily> @tell epicmonkey we don't know that you're an NSA agent.
18:16:28 <boily> elliott: the coördinates are part of the current myth arc. only at season's end we'll have a cliffhanger that leaves more Questions open.
18:21:27 <Gregor> fungot: fungot fungot.
18:21:28 <fungot> Gregor: you can't have seen many uses of defmacro can't be expressed
18:21:35 <monotone> Has someone already made the New Yorker joke?
18:27:47 <fungot> olsner: not sure who they are. don't let the fact that it's a good thing
18:28:28 <boily> fungot: we know, even if we shouldn't.
18:28:29 <fungot> boily: giving a name to your variables, you shouldn't insert the continuations directly into the lisppaste text field)) into ( apply func restofthem) i gather
18:29:04 <boily> monotone: what is the NYJ?
18:30:16 <monotone> "Is shachaf an editor for the New Yorker?"
18:31:15 <monotone> They're famous for using diaereses to indicate syllable breaks.
18:33:01 <boily> the diæ̈resises are an integral part of #̈esoteric.
18:43:08 <Bike> has that glyph ever been used in a language
18:43:21 <Gregor> I'd venture to say "no"
18:43:21 <monotone> I'm more concerned about the diaeresis over the #.
18:43:36 <elliott> oh wow, I didn't even notice that until now
18:44:12 <Gregor> I noticed it, found it delightful, but still found the diaeresis over æ funnier.
18:45:52 <boily> wikipedia has no reference to æ̈. let's check unicode...
18:46:42 <Gregor> It doesn't exist in Unicode, that's an æ with a combining diaeresis.
18:47:55 <boily> you sure there aren't any precomposed forms? there's an ǣ and an ǽ in latin extended-B.
18:49:15 <monotone> If the "related characters" section of my character palette is to be trusted, the only other one (case aside) is ᴭ.
18:49:36 <monotone> ᴭ, for when you run out of letters to use for your footnotes, and have something against numbers.
18:49:54 <boily> so nothing in the four latin extended blocks, nor in extended additional. :(
18:52:26 <Bike> why's that called "modifier"?
18:55:41 <monotone> It's in the Phonetic Extensions block, so I'm guessing it's to do with whatever transcription system it's used in. Probably modifies some preceding letter.
18:55:52 <Bike> oh, maybe i've actually seen that.
18:56:29 <monotone> It's certainly nothing to do with IPA...
18:58:06 <Bike> it's uralic. wikipedia has an example, pŭə̆ī̮ᵈt̄ėi for [pŭə̆ɨːd̆tːəi]
18:58:23 <Bike> haha, those are making my irssi modeline fuck up.
18:58:59 <Bike> the ones i pasted.
18:59:07 <Bike> superscript means "very short sound" inthis system, apparently
18:59:21 * boily tries to pronounce that uralic abomination, but ends with a figure-eight knot in his tongue
18:59:37 <monotone> Yeah. It doesn't appear to have Æ, though.
19:00:03 <monotone> Wikipedia tells me some stuff about the OED transcription system and a few others.
19:00:50 <monotone> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonetic_Extensions
19:02:00 <Bike> "Velopharyngeal fricative (snoring sound)" what is eve up with phonetics
19:02:19 <boily> ah, the Infamous Feng.
19:03:10 <olsner> fungot: why do you mismatch parens so often???
19:03:11 <fungot> olsner: maybe it is indeed a concern
19:03:24 <Bike> n!2 [ʗ̃\ʗ̃], fungot
19:03:24 <fungot> Bike: and i'm assuming it is not
19:04:05 <fungot> boily: no that's fine. it just does
19:04:07 <HackEgo> fungot cannot be stopped by that sword alone.
19:04:17 <Bike> "The vocal folds discussed above are sometimes called 'true vocal folds' to distinguish them from the false vocal folds. These are a pair of thick folds of mucous membrane that protect and sit slightly superior to the more delicate true folds. They have a minimal role in normal phonation, but are often used to produce deep sonorous tones in Tibetan chant and Tuvan throat singing,[11] as well as in musical screaming and the death growl vocal st
19:05:17 <Bike> "ʞ // velar click // Proposed symbol withdrawn 1970; articulation judged impossible"
19:06:21 <boily> the first times you try practicing kargyraa throat singing, it produces a *very* peculiar sensation in your throat.
19:06:58 <olsner> boily: what's a good way to get started with throat singing?
19:07:31 <boily> there's a freely available tutorial album that cover basic techniques out there. I wonder if it's still online...
19:11:02 <boily> hm. can't find it. I'll have to try and dig out my copy, which may be about 250km away from me at the moment.
19:11:58 <boily> olsner: for now, concentrate on the khoomei style. that's the easiest and most popular. there are some youtube videos for that, I think.
19:12:27 <boily> (throat singing in a shower is fun! but please be considerate of your neighbours and/or family!)
19:22:02 <zzo38> I don't like these IPA symbols; once I made up a different set of symbols where all combinations including "impossible" ones can be made, and you just combine the symbol for "dental" with "fricative" overlapping, or whatever it is
19:23:33 <zzo38> Do you think this is better?
19:24:25 <boily> well, there is ithkuil.
19:25:29 <boily> (ah! the NYer article with Ukrainian extremists: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/12/24/121224fa_fact_foer?currentPage=all)
19:25:56 <fizzie> There's also X-SAMPA. (But if you don't like IPA, you probably won't like X-SAMPA either.)
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19:28:33 <kmc> I wonder if arguing about syntax in #rust counts as working or slacking off
19:28:36 <zzo38> True, I don't really like that either.
19:34:56 <Bike> "How does a one-dimensional genetic code specify a three-dimensional animal?"
19:35:31 <fizzie> Bike: Yeah, isn't there, I don't know, some kind of diagonalization argument against that?!
19:35:50 <Bike> it's a reasonable question in context but gosh if it doesn't sound dumb
19:37:19 <boily> now not only my tongue hurts from that evil uralian tidbit, but my brains too.
19:37:22 <Fiora> doesn't that only make sense if there's a one to one mapping of 3D creatures to genetic codes?
19:37:55 <Bike> wwell the main problem is that yeah it's not like a PNG or something, it really has to "specify" the entire course of development
19:40:31 <Bike> and there's an entire field for this, so, not exactly "R^3 is the same size as R" level
19:41:39 <Bike> no that was pretty good actually
19:41:44 <boily> I know the argument that the cardinality of R is higher than that of N, for example, but what about R and R²? are they of the same cardinality?
19:42:40 <Bike> yeah, they are, just stare at a peano curve until you get it
19:43:39 <boily> I... I'm not sure I'm okay with that kind of voyeurism...
19:44:42 <fizzie> (I just like the word.)
19:44:45 <Fiora> geez, bike, stop ogling peano's curves
19:45:14 <fizzie> Peano Reeves, isn't that some action movie actor?
19:45:16 <Bike> they fill up my vision completely, man.
19:45:20 <elliott> Q: why was the ultrafinitist always dissastisfied? A: he had a very short peano's
19:45:37 <boily> urge. to. munch. elliott. rising.
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19:45:57 <boily> elliott: see, you scared away the Reporter!
19:47:16 <boily> (hm. looks like my definition of munch is very dialectic. you know, when in an action movie someone snaps the neck of somebody else in a quick fashion?)
19:47:23 <elliott> apparently I also killed the entire channel except for boily
19:47:31 <elliott> oh. I assumed you were just going to eat me
19:47:47 <zzo38> Are you good to eat?
19:47:59 <boily> with sriracha, I'd say yes.
19:48:20 <olsner> hmm, what does sriracha actually taste like? chili?
19:49:06 <fizzie> boily: Isn't munch what squares do?
19:49:07 <Fiora> it's a type of hot sauce made with chili pepper paste so
19:49:55 <boily> it's the Universal Pan-Asiatic Chili Hot Sauce. essential for the authentic phở experience.
19:50:52 <boily> fizzie: it's either a wrestling move XOR an old display hack.
19:52:31 <olsner> I thought lexers munched?
19:53:29 <lambdabot> *** "munch" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
19:53:29 <lambdabot> n 1: Norwegian painter (1863-1944) [syn: {Munch}, {Edvard
19:53:29 <lambdabot> 2: a large bite; "he tried to talk between munches on the
19:53:36 <fizzie> Lexers are Norwegian painters?
19:54:14 <fizzie> (Also what are the attributes of a maximally Norwegian person?)
19:55:07 <fizzie> In Neitherlands, they just can't choose from two alternatives.
19:55:07 <boily> `learn lexer is a maximally Norwegian painter. Its squares are munched with chili sauce.
20:00:13 <lambdabot> v 1: chew noisily; "The children crunched the celery sticks"
20:00:39 <Gracenotes> celery sandwiches are maximally Norweigan
20:00:57 <olsner> boily: someone will have a nice time figuring out what the hell that means later on
20:01:12 <fizzie> Huh. There's a Cory Doctorow talk tomorrow.
20:01:20 <boily> olsner: mwah ah ah.
20:02:11 <fizzie> It's " a presentation and a fireside chat", whatever that means.
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20:31:10 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/
20:32:33 <boily> looks like the West Midlands are even more canadian than Canada...
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20:33:06 <olsner> `? d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d
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20:33:19 <Taneb> boily, Canada hasn't claimed the life of any esolangers
20:33:29 <Taneb> But the West Midlands...
20:33:49 <olsner> I'm not so sure about the West Midlands either
20:33:53 <HackEgo> myndzi keeps us all on our feet
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20:34:28 <boily> the Universe, it is Talking to me...
20:34:34 <FreeFull> is Ngevd a symlink to /dev/urandom?
20:34:52 <shachaf> Taneb: Did you start reading `olist yet?
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20:35:03 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/Ngevd -l: No such file or directory
20:35:15 <FreeFull> shachaf: Did you just delete it?
20:35:17 <fizzie> Heh, I got "bell in window 3" message due to fungot's rawlog of that.
20:35:18 <fungot> fizzie: i'm not sure how old scsi-2 is, or rather, any computer that has a non-serializable object in its environment
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20:35:26 <Taneb> shachaf, did you start reading `slist?
20:35:29 <HackEgo> /bin/ls: cannot access wisdom/Ngevd: No such file or directory
20:35:36 <HackEgo> ` \ `? \ _̰̆̓_̦̻̖͍̟̖̅ͭͭͬ͡_͉̭ͧ͒̐_̯͙̬̬̦̯͂͋͒ͧ͋̋_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ \ ? \ ?? \ @ \ ⌨ \ ☃ \ ⊥ \ 🐐 \ ̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚҉̕͜͠͠҉̡̧̛
20:35:37 <fizzie> FreeFull: It's special-cased nowadays.
20:35:51 <Taneb> Did you... finish reading `slist?
20:36:00 <HackEgo> wisdom/` wisdom/`? wisdom/_̰̆̓_̦̻̖͍̟̖̅ͭͭͬ͡_͉̭ͧ͒̐_̯͙̬̬̦̯͂͋͒ͧ͋̋_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ wisdom/? wisdom/?? wisdom/@ wisdom/⊥ wisdom/☃ wisdom/⌨ wisdom/🐐 wisdom/̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣͎͎͙̪̪̝̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚
20:36:07 <boily> btw, who were the West Midlands Casualties?
20:36:08 <shachaf> But I surely read over a hundred pages of it.
20:36:26 <Taneb> boily, ais523 and Phantom_Hoover
20:36:32 <olsner> `? _̰̆̓_ÌÌ…ÍÍ̦̻̖ͬÍÌŸÌ–Í¡_ͧ͒Ì͉Ì_͂͋͒ͧ͋Ì̯͙̬̬̦̯̋_̔̉̅ͨÌÌ´Íž
20:36:33 <HackEgo> _̰̆̓_ÌÌ…ÍÍ̦̻̖ͬÍÌŸÌ–Í¡_ͧ͒Ì͉Ì_͂͋͒ͧ͋Ì̯͙̬̬̦̯̋_̔̉̅ͨÌÌ´Íž? ¯\(°_o)/¯
20:36:34 <FreeFull> fizzie: I think the special case is separate from the system ls
20:36:44 <HackEgo> See `? for further details.
20:36:48 <olsner> hmm, too many levels of misencoding I guess
20:36:59 <Bike> wisdom lost to the ages/mojibake
20:37:23 <fizzie> FreeFull: It's specialcased in ?.
20:37:30 <boily> `learn mojibake _ÌÌÌ°_ÌÌÍÍ̦̻ͬÌÍÌÌÍ¡_ͧÍÌÍÌ_ÍÍÍͧÍÌÌ̯Í̬̬̦̯_ÌÌÌͨÌÌ´Í
20:37:42 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ else echo "$1? ¯\
20:37:45 <fizzie> FreeFull: (As an unrelated matter to the special-casing of wisdom-vs-ls.)
20:38:08 <FreeFull> Oh, you're talking about Ngevd
20:38:12 <FreeFull> I thought you were talking about the ls thing
20:38:24 <fizzie> (The rnooodl'ing of all wisdom is: silly.)
20:39:12 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/oerjan: line 1: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:
20:40:25 <HackEgo> Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl.
20:40:42 <shachaf> Taneb: Maybe you should do the same!
20:40:46 <olsner> `translatetoerjan ei saa peittää
20:41:03 <Taneb> shachaf, I think I read over 100 pages of `olist
20:41:36 <HackEgo> See `? for further details.
20:41:39 <HackEgo> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/json", line 4, in <module> \ data = json.loads(sys.stdin.read().decode('utf-8')) \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/json/__init__.py", line 310, in loads \ return _default_decoder.decode(s) \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/json/decoder.py", line 346, in decode \ obj, end
20:41:43 <Taneb> shachaf, they had just met a bunch of cheery teenage goblins or something
20:41:49 <FreeFull> Oh, I didn't break it after all
20:41:54 <HackEgo> See `? for further details.
20:42:01 <olsner> `? for further details.
20:42:03 <HackEgo> See `? for further details for futher details.
20:42:04 <FreeFull> That's not what I wanted it to output D:<
20:42:09 <olsner> `? for further details for futher details.
20:42:11 <HackEgo> See `? for further details for futher details.
20:42:21 <shachaf> Taneb: Hmm, you'll want to get further than that.
20:42:27 <olsner> `? for further details for further details.
20:42:29 <HackEgo> for further details for further details.? ¯\(°_o)/¯
20:42:58 <HackEgo> 589) <kmc> COCKS [...] <kmc> truly cocks \ 619) <shachaf> You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. <shachaf> `quote kmc <HackEgo> 686) <kmc> COCKS [...] <kmc> truly cocks <shachaf> Well, in theory. \ 690) <kmc> damn i should make a quasiquoter for inline FORTRAN \ 693) <kmc> has there been any work towards designing programming l
20:43:36 <Bike> channel approaching zero signal-to-noise
20:43:48 <FreeFull> `? ♥♥äa¨¨~˝˝˝ÆEŁæłëðǽł“æ→ßðøµ¢ø78ææOeͲ࢟ﻞ茯⦑
20:43:50 <HackEgo> ♥♥äa¨¨~˝˝˝ÆEŁæłëðǽł“æ→ßðøµ¢ø78ææOeͲ࢟ﻞ茯⦑? ¯\(°_o)/¯
20:45:24 <boily> olsner: if we've reached that state on Wednesday, Friday will be something to behold.
20:46:17 <HackEgo> .ecnetsixe s'adanaC tuoba erus ton era eW .gnihtemos ro naidanaC si yliob
20:47:11 <Bike> why is everything backwards except the things that aren't backwards
20:47:42 <Gracenotes> we just need another bot who's set off by . who quotes all of its replies `like this'
20:47:44 <boily> Gracenotes: you should come to Montréal.
20:48:20 <olsner> boily: I predict that friday will be a calm day of pointful discussion, possibly even involving esolangs
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20:49:30 <HackEgo> .ten.lad.cri no ciretose# yrt ,aciretose fo dnik rehto eht rof -- gnimmargorp tuoba si lennahc sihT
20:49:53 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ else echo "$1? ¯\
20:50:17 <Bike> imo this is silly and we should get back to our roots of understandable `?s.
20:50:41 <boily> fsvo understandable...
20:51:13 <FreeFull> What I actually did is run all wisdoms through rev
20:51:44 <olsner> perhaps you should've modified bin/? instead
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20:52:34 <FreeFull> The whole point of mercurial is that you can do anything
20:53:06 <boily> there should be a `؟ for reverse wisdoms.
20:53:22 <HackEgo> Fiora is half JRPG fangirl, half SIMD dork, and all sucrose.
20:54:14 <Bike> `run echo '? | rev' >bin/؟ && chmod +x bin/؟
20:54:30 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ¿: not found
20:54:37 <Bike> fantastic, imo
20:54:37 <fizzie> Bike: Arguments, you know.
20:54:43 <Fiora> what's mysterious though
20:54:46 <Bike> i forget how arguments work.
20:55:01 <Bike> `run echo '? "$@" | rev' >bin/؟
20:55:13 <Fiora> I think they work where you have, like, two people who disagree and they yell at each other a lot
20:55:35 <FreeFull> `run echo '? "$@" | rec | tac' >bin/¿
20:55:41 <olsner> hmm, xchat (probably gtk) and RTL text is quite broken
20:55:43 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/¿: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/¿: cannot execute: Permission denied
20:56:02 <HackEgo> chmod: missing operand after `+x bin/¿' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information.
20:56:26 <FreeFull> `run echo '? "$@" | rev | tac' >bin/¿
20:56:40 <fizzie> I was hoping for upside-down letters.
20:56:52 <FreeFull> I don't think HackEgo has toilet or figlet
20:57:05 <fizzie> fungot: Are you housebroken?
20:57:06 <fungot> fizzie: or right? how can you make it say: put l _itself_ in lambda, let, and having none of them
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20:59:28 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: aren't you supposed to be dead and/or disappeared?
21:00:00 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, so you've escaped the West Midlands
21:00:23 <Taneb> In October I may return to Yorkshire where I was officially born
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21:01:36 <Taneb> If I did well enough in my exams
21:01:52 <boily> time to go unpack and cuddle my freshly delivered ouya.
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21:46:01 <kmc> Phantom_Hoover: whyreland?
21:46:42 <Phantom_Hoover> because my parents obnoxiously insist on regularly visiting their relatives
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22:09:20 <fizzie> Plot of the day https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130731-tmp.png and then for some sleep
22:11:26 <fizzie> Okay, so the Y axis is time of day, and the X axis is length of message, and the color axis is the normalized (per-row) count of messages of that length, in logscale.
22:12:05 <fizzie> I was curious if there's a time-of-day dependency in the overall distribution of message lengths.
22:12:13 <FreeFull> fizzie: Curious how there are lines
22:12:28 <fizzie> FreeFull: Bot maximum line lengths, yes.
22:12:41 <FreeFull> Try drawing the same data with the bots excluded
22:12:58 <fizzie> Nooo, I think I'll sleep instead.
22:13:11 <fizzie> Anyway it'd just be the same thing without lines. :p
22:14:06 <fizzie> You can see (some of) the lines at http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/people_stats.html if you just pick "characters per message".
22:14:15 <fizzie> (Some are past the right end of that plot.)
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22:23:48 <FreeFull> Sleep is for people with unbalanced brain chemistry and a day's worth of short-term memories
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22:29:00 <olsner> FreeFull: sleep is for sleepy people
22:29:14 <FreeFull> olsner: So non-people can't sleep?
22:32:54 <mnoqy> that explains elliott, at least
22:37:02 <oerjan> i personally think elliott is a person, but don't take my word for granted.
22:42:34 <Fiora> elliott's a pretty wonderful person I can confirm
22:43:12 <shachaf> you may be able to confirm that elliott is wonderful but can you confirm that he's a person?
22:43:28 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: are you spying on ##nomic
22:43:42 <zzo38> People aren't the only one that is possible to be sleeping, I t hink
22:44:07 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, i would join but elliott might dispatch some cats to kill me
22:44:25 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: you clearly don't know how cat aggregations work
22:44:35 <elliott> if a single cat were to leave it would be catastrophic
22:45:04 <elliott> that was not intended to be a pun
22:45:10 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: all the cat's will come for you
22:45:42 <Fiora> hee hee I'm rubbing off on elliott :p
22:45:50 <shachaf> All the cat's are out of the bag.
22:46:23 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: elliott is not actually on ##nomic, although thank you for this information about him, i am passing it on
22:46:25 <Fiora> Phantom_Hoover: http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/50295612485/
22:47:58 <Bike> that gif is freaky
22:48:27 <Fiora> http://24.media.tumblr.com/01d8d878e8b86f16f9a440825abc88e5/tumblr_mmp0alWhSk1rjcfxro1_r1_400.gif I should post more kittens
22:48:34 <Fiora> http://31.media.tumblr.com/4d1391774fdd0bb960d61fe281831f63/tumblr_mj08z0T7nx1qa8b8jo5_500.gif
22:48:45 <Fiora> http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/56741666529/
22:49:48 <Phantom_Hoover> i am in grave danger here and you are posting pictures of kittens
22:50:51 <olsner> is that jimmy carr juggling the baskets of kittens?
22:51:03 <elliott> nooodl: be careful about hurting your head when you land
22:52:27 <Fiora> http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/tagged/cat actually this is just good
22:52:34 <Fiora> http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/tagged/rabbit too
22:59:15 <nooodl> http://oklobplant.tumblr.com/ my tumblr subtitle is <marquee>
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23:03:40 <oerjan> nooodl: is that your tumblr why does it start with oklo that is just not right you are not the true oklo
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23:05:58 <oerjan> nooodl: those links were awkward to click but it gave me http://log.purrito.net/ which is probably relevant
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23:08:59 <oerjan> hm a bit nsfw further down
23:13:58 <oerjan> @tell boily <boily> no missiles launched? no grey goo cataclysm? no helvetica scenario? :( <-- there was a grey goo cataclysm, but fortunately we all got uploaded to the goo. our world's simulation is now one recursive step deeper hth
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23:15:46 * oerjan oozes up to shachaf and absorbs him
23:19:30 * oerjan looks up helvetica scenario
23:26:13 <elliott> oerjan hasn't seen Look Around You either? :(
23:27:43 <Phantom_Hoover> you can't talk, you haven't seen the armando iannucci shows
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23:48:14 <oerjan> elliott: only a little. (now it's a little more.)
23:48:46 <oerjan> now i know everything about calcium.
23:49:15 <shachaf> oerjan: do you also know about intelligent calcium
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23:50:17 <oerjan> elliott: roujo wants to know if RPGLE is esoteric enough for you twh
23:50:41 <oerjan> he also linked http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v7r1m0/topic/rzasd/sc092508.pdf
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23:52:49 <elliott> and has a confusing acronym
23:53:58 <oerjan> well this came up after i pointed out you might disapprove of the language choice in List<Cat> ehird = new ArrayList<Cat>(); hth
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23:55:11 <Bike> elliott is a list of cats?
23:55:12 <oerjan> elliott: ok i told him you said that