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02:48:39 <zzo38> Do you find procedural SQL useful? I find a lot of things can be done in plain SQL, although a virtual table containing all numbers, and a few extra functions (square root, quartiles, blob access, execute a string containing SQL commands, etc), are good things to have on.
02:51:08 <zzo38> There are still a few additional features I would like to see in SQL, although I don't know if any of them are available in any variant of SQL.
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03:52:22 <Bike> https://mitpress.mit.edu/covers/9780262019538.jpg the animes..................
04:05:25 <shachaf> It seems that you meant mitpress.mst.edu. Do you want Adblock Plus to correct typos to protect you from malicious websites?
04:05:40 <shachaf> I didn't even know I had that installed.
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04:16:12 <Bike> man i used an https uri and everything :'(
04:16:53 <Bike> http://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1l7baq/creating_a_user_from_the_web_problem/ r/PHP is a terrifying place
04:17:32 <Bike> "I also added http to group wheel."
04:33:20 <coppro> /r/lolphp is pretty sweet
04:33:30 <coppro> although that particular quote really scares me
04:33:36 <coppro> zzo38: procedural SQL is okay
04:33:50 <coppro> having written a lot in it, I'd avoid it where possible
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04:43:12 <zzo38> coppro: OK, I suppose; well, I also avoid procedural SQL, since I use SQLite which doesn't support procedural SQL, and I find procedural SQL doesn't help anything anyways since it can be programmed in plain SQL.
04:45:13 <coppro> the advantage to procedural SQL is the ability to create functions inside the database which are used by multiple clients in different languages, and so reduce duplication
04:45:27 <coppro> in practice, this is a good idea only where you can't do something saner, like write an interface layer in some other language
04:48:16 <zzo38> I do not understand exactly what you mean. I tend to write most of the program in SQL, when using SQL.
04:48:55 <zzo38> I will write any extra functions I need into a .dll so that it can be loaded using anything.
04:49:23 <zzo38> But these extra functions are mainly stuff useful in a lot of uses anyways, such as square root, and a virtual table containing all integers.
04:51:19 <zzo38> There are some features I would like to see added, though, such as macros, overridable views and triggers, trigger indices, ordered triggers, table cells that contain databases, and a few others.
04:58:51 <zzo38> I found that triggers seem to run in the reverse order of being defined. I find this a very useful feature. However, I asked someone and they said the order isn't supposed to be guaranteed.
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06:46:22 <Gracenotes> for posterity: shell_exec("sudo useradd -p $encpass -g groupname -s /bin/bash $username");
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07:17:56 <shachaf> kmc: it would be nice to be able to clear the buffer of keystrokes that haven't been sent yet in mosh
07:18:21 <shachaf> say i know a connection won't be re-established for hours but out of habit i press alt-a a bunch of time in irssi
07:18:47 <shachaf> now i either risk missing a notification or i have to close the mosh session before reconnecting to the network
07:18:59 <shachaf> (another solution to this problem would be fine too)
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07:22:28 <zzo38> I think some of the terminology in chess problems can be applied to Pokemon card puzzles as well.
07:22:54 <ion> shachaf: How about ignoring input when in the state that notifies about the lack of connectivity? I’d be happy with that.
07:23:18 <shachaf> That's not so great because sometimes my connection is just bad.
07:23:42 <shachaf> And I get into that state, but I want to keep typing.
07:24:01 <ion> In that case, perhaps also have a parameter that lets you increase the timeout before it thinks there’s no connectivity.
07:25:32 <ion> The comments are great. http://php.net/manual/en/function.serialize.php
07:27:42 <zzo38> See if you can make up a Pokemon card puzzle involving retreating four times in one turn, or even five, or six, if such a thing can be made.
07:37:53 <ion> http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/1jfkrg/serialize_documentation_pick_your_favorite_comment/cbe5quf
07:55:57 <zzo38> We can make up some list of terminology for Pokemon card puzzles, some of which is similar to that of chess, but there are differences so some new terminology would be used too (also, not all chess terminology is applicable).
08:00:23 <zzo38> Why is "Scholar's Mate" given that name?
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08:15:01 <kmc> shachaf: yeah I opened a ticket about that a while ago
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09:19:04 <fizzie> Aw, I missed a somewhat interesting talk this morning.
09:19:27 <kmc> what about?
09:19:43 <fizzie> "This keynote talk focuses on signal processing techniques for modeling analog audio systems used in music technology. Many analog music systems produce a distinctive and desirable sound, but the original devices may be expensive or hard to access and maintain. Examples include classic synthesizer modules and vintage guitar amplifiers."
09:20:59 <fizzie> "An overview of recent research in the area of virtual analog modeling will be presented. Topics include antialiasing oscillator algorithms, virtual analog synthesizer filters, modeling of guitar pickups, spring reverberation units, ring modulators, carbon microphones, and audio antiquing."
09:21:04 <fizzie> I'm no music person, but for some reason listening to other people talk about this stuff has generally been interesting.
09:22:20 <fizzie> (It's going to be a keynote at DAFx-13; the person giving it works here and apparently had a rehearsal this morning, but keeping up-to-date on email is for squares.)
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10:59:02 <Koen__> I can't get a new password emailed to me because I already did in the last 24 hours
10:59:08 <Koen__> but I never received that new password
11:00:13 <Koen__> I already had a new password sent to me on the 24th, but it's no longer working because I was asked to change it the first time I tried to log in with it
11:00:38 <Koen__> and I can't remember what I changed it to (but that probably doesn't matter, since I'm supposed to have been sent a new one)
11:01:48 <oerjan> i think after all that, it's your karma to have to wait 24 hours, Koen__
11:02:11 <oerjan> i know, it's a truly gruesome punishment.
11:02:25 <Koen__> wow, I just noticed I had two underscores
11:02:42 <Koen__> this is getting out of hand
11:03:04 <oerjan> `run ls wisdom/phantom*
11:03:08 <HackEgo> wisdom/phantom_hoover \ wisdom/phantom__hoover \ wisdom/phantom___hoover \ wisdom/phantom_______hoover \ wisdom/phantom__________hoover \ wisdom/phantom____________________hoover
11:03:43 <oerjan> i suddently remember that technically listing them all is a bit of cheating
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11:20:28 <Deewiant> I finally tried mosh just for fun and its locale-related error message was quite incorrect: it complained about LC_CTYPE and said something about US-ASCII, though the issue was that my LC_NUMERIC didn't exist on the server
11:21:11 <Deewiant> (After fixing that I was reminded of the fact that this WLAN completely blocks UDP so the experiment ended)
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12:10:03 <oerjan> something is wrong, the second image in the latest xkcd whatif has no title text
12:10:35 <oerjan> there's those pesky g's running around again
12:11:13 <oerjan> given the image, i suppose the title text was censored by the government
12:15:25 <fizzie> oerjan: I was thinking it was a conspiracy-theory joke.
12:15:49 <fizzie> I'm sure xkcd forums have already some speculation as to why it might be.
12:16:22 <oerjan> no, it's definitely the real government censoring this.
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12:30:57 <oerjan> fizzie: "There's an image without title text? THE END IS NEAR!!! AHHHH!!!"
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12:50:02 <oerjan> does anyone know where the picture characters here are from http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=1561
12:51:36 <oerjan> i'm imagining it could be a game or another comic, but googling on what little (non-garfield) text hints there are didn't help.
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13:03:18 <boily> good brumeux morning!
13:17:00 <fizzie> oerjan: The dude on the left looks vaguely familiar, but I don't know from where; Google's "visually similar images" search is, as usual, of no use at all: http://goo.gl/Ydb6C2 (link might not work, I don't know how it does w.r.t. uploaded images)
13:22:33 <boily> `run echo "Eridanipoids form a category of uncategorifiable stellar remnants." >wisdom/eridanipoid
13:23:39 <boily> mnoqy: since when are you this channel's centroïd? it hasn't been computed yet!
13:24:36 <HackEgo> #esoteric is the only channel that exists. monqy is its centroïd.
13:25:02 <oerjan> `run echo -n " They form dense clusters of unmovable and unstoppable objects." >>wisdom/eridanipoid
13:25:29 <HackEgo> Eridanipoids form a category of uncategorifiable stellar remnants. \ They form dense clusters of unmovable and unstoppable objects.
13:25:49 <boily> no transmogrifying the Wisdom DB while I'm latexifying it!
13:26:32 <mnoqy> boily: apparently ever since (counts on fingers) 2013 april 20, when shachaf deduced it and you added the wisdom db entry
13:27:10 <boily> oerjan: just wait, you miscreant! I'll [REDACTED] the [EXPUNGED] out of your [FUNGOT] you'll feel it all the way up to your grandma's teeth!
13:27:37 <boily> mnoqy: oh. uhm. quite embarassing, isn't it?
13:27:38 <oerjan> `run fmt -w400 <wisdom/eridanipoid >q; mv q wisdom/eridanipoid
13:27:48 <HackEgo> Eridanipoids form a category of uncategorifiable stellar remnants. \ They form dense clusters of unmovable and unstoppable objects.
13:28:01 <oerjan> that's not a reformatting ;_;
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13:30:28 <metasepia> Software description: coroutine based python library that uses only built-in python features to provide a low-level event driven programming model (Python).
13:31:55 <oerjan> `run perl -i -e 'my $a = join "", <>; $a =~ s/\n//g; print $a' wisdom/eridanipoid
13:31:59 <HackEgo> Eridanipoids form a category of uncategorifiable stellar remnants. They form dense clusters of unmovable and unstoppable objects.
13:33:29 <oerjan> `run perl -e 'my $a = join "", <>; $a =~ s/\n//g; print $a' wisdom/eridanipoid >q; mv q wisdom/eridanipoid
13:33:37 <HackEgo> Eridanipoids form a category of uncategorifiable stellar remnants. They form dense clusters of unmovable and unstoppable objects.
13:34:45 <boily> meanwhile, I identify "Perkeleistä", but the rest is finnishdigook.
13:36:42 <oerjan> `run sed -i 's/form dense/occur in dense/' wisdom/eridanipoid
13:37:23 <oerjan> hm wait that's ambiguous
13:39:14 <boily> so eridanipoïds are dense remnants that move, don't move, are in space, clustered, and can't be categorified.
13:39:51 <oerjan> also move and don't move are equivalent by relativity
13:40:33 <boily> indeed. my understanding of physics never was up to par...
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13:40:51 <boily> (I never flunked as many exams as in physics classes.)
13:41:13 <metasepia> --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
13:41:23 <metasepia> CYUL 281332Z 22002KT 1 1/2SM BR OVC003 21/21 A2991 RMK ST8 SLP127 DENSITY ALT 900FT
13:41:56 <boily> Roujo: cf. «good brumeux morning» from earlier today.
13:42:11 <boily> urgh. 21/21. that is most disgusting.
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13:44:32 <Roujo> (I don't actually know)
13:45:19 <boily> it means humidity can't get higher without us having to swim through the air when going out for a lunch.
13:46:29 <Roujo> I'd be up for a swim
13:47:01 <Roujo> So, that's the dew point?
13:48:17 <boily> ("so so so, so-li-da-ri-té!")
13:49:10 <Roujo> Station Time WindSpeed Visibility Weather Ceilling DewPoint something something something
13:50:46 <fizzie> The existing fields (though not their order, perhaps) seems to vary quite a lot.
13:50:50 <metasepia> EFHK 281320Z 17010KT 9999 FEW038 21/13 Q1015 NOSIG
13:51:22 <boily> fizzie: it depends on the national standard, and wether the human ops (or automated station apparatuses) can be assed to give details.
13:52:31 <Roujo> No really, I need a tall coffee
13:52:46 <boily> Roujo: EFHK: helsinki. observation made at 13:20+0000 today. winds of 10 knots at 170°, ground visibility is irrelevant, a few clouds at 3800', temperature 21 °C with dew point at 13 °C, QNH at 101,5 kPa and nothing significant to write about.
13:53:11 <metasepia> EFHK 281320Z 17010KT 9999 FEW038 21/13 Q1015 NOSIG
13:53:46 <Roujo> I'm going to get the hang of it eventually =P
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14:05:53 <boily> «e» and «f» covered.
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14:20:45 <boily> go duck duck go, you can do it!
14:23:14 <metasepia> Tavros (, which means "bull"), is a sburb in the southwestern part of Athens, Greece.
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14:23:42 <boily> ~duck stavromula beta
14:24:06 <Roujo> Instructions to install Haskell
14:24:31 <boily> Roujo: http://www.haskell.org/platform/
14:24:42 <Roujo> - Download the Windows installer
14:24:43 <Roujo> - Run the setup.exe program
14:24:43 <Roujo> - Follow the install instructions as prompted.
14:24:58 <Roujo> I was just marvelling at the simplicity
14:25:47 <Roujo> It's so simple, and yet apparently warrants step-by-step instructions
14:25:57 <boily> «g» and «h» covered. I also conflagrated the gaszszszpachoes.
14:26:05 <Roujo> What are you doing? =P
14:26:05 <Jafet> Your instructions are to follow your given instructions
14:26:43 <boily> Roujo: I'm manually and lovingly enlatexifying the Wisdoms.
14:27:32 <Roujo> I am the local LaTeX evangelist at work
14:28:40 <boily> my SO is an Elite Legendary Paragon at LaTeX. she can summon .sty with her eyes closed.
14:29:39 <Roujo> I'm much of a newbie
14:29:47 <Roujo> I'm just the only one who Knows
14:30:49 <Roujo> Do I want to install GLUT?
14:31:05 <boily> you want to. glut is good for you and building muscles.
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14:37:46 <boily> 10 MB FOR A SINGLE ENTRY.
14:38:02 <boily> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURGH!
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14:44:13 <boily> `? irrelevant info
14:44:15 <HackEgo> KHL?%y9vnkM_v46$Tn`ʋxkH2gqH;!;2F(zإ2CmXW
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14:47:19 <HackEgo> HackEgo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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14:54:18 <boily> what was I smoking when I wrote that...
14:54:23 <HackEgo> lexer is a maximally Norwegian painter. Its squares are munched with chili sauce.
14:54:49 <Roujo> Well, aren't they?
14:55:03 <Roujo> Also, "max 5 6 8" doesn't work for
14:55:29 <Roujo> Only two parameters, apparently
14:55:46 <boily> ~eval foldl1 max [5, 6, 8]
14:55:54 <metasepia> Perhaps you meant `lift' (imported from Control.Monad.Logic)
14:57:46 <Roujo> I'm starting to miss lisp =P
14:59:07 <boily> you could also go the foldMap way. monoids are easy. you won't miss Lisp and its brethren.
15:01:03 <HackEgo> I think you might mean !logs
15:01:40 <boily> that reminds me I'll have to remove those «% TODO» sometime... anybody here who can do colours in LaTeX?
15:03:15 <boily> «i», «j», «k» and «l» covered.
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15:11:41 <doesthiswork> I just read some about semiotics, saussure seems fine, but what people have done since then is grotesque
15:12:22 <boily> I'm curious, who designed the wisdom face?
15:13:22 <boily> \newcommand{\face}{\={ }$\backslash(^\circ$\_o$)$/\={ }}
15:18:34 <boily> aaaaaaaan... I crashed firefox.
15:24:48 <doesthiswork> not too hard, if I don't crash it now and then I worry that something has gone wrong
15:28:57 <Bike> oh, that's easy to type
15:29:08 <Bike> ¯\(°_o)/¯, gonna have to remember that
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15:29:48 <Bike> clever, myndzi, clever.
15:30:00 <boily> myndzi is a clever bot.
15:32:08 <Roujo> myndzi is Cleverbot?
15:32:23 <HackEgo> myndzi keeps us all on our feet
15:33:05 <boily> btw, when will itidus come back?
15:34:26 <fizzie> > maximum [5, 6, 8] -- incidentally
15:34:58 <boily> fizzie: hoogle has no hits for "incidentally".
15:35:19 <fizzie> That was what's called a comment.
15:35:46 <Roujo> rem Back in my days...
15:35:46 <boily> move along. nobody saw nothing.
15:36:12 <fizzie> I recently saw a .bat file that was full of "rem ember this and that" documentation.
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15:38:12 <boily> ' Back in my days...
15:38:49 <Deewiant> comment In somebody else's days comment
15:43:15 <Deewiant> "Every card processed by SOAP II may contain remarks not exceeding 10 characters in length. When longer remarks are desired, a comments card, which may contain up to 30 characters, may be used."
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16:20:41 <Koen__> cards... as in the very olds cards with holes that were used before computers?
16:24:59 <Deewiant> Yes, this was from the documentation of the programming language used with an electro-technical information processing machine
16:25:35 <Bike> "electro-technical"?
16:26:51 <Bike> what's that mean
16:26:58 <Bike> i was expecting "electromechanical"
16:27:13 <Deewiant> It means an IBM 650 in this case
16:27:50 <Deewiant> (It's overly directly translated from https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensi )
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16:54:07 <Bike> «"Brazilian self-citation cartel" is possibly the world's lamest cartel»
16:58:25 <Roujo> "«"Brazilian self-citation cartel" is possibly the world's lamest cartel», said Bike", said Roujo
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17:26:58 <boily> «“‘Roujo: don't you think that you are overquoting there?”»’
17:29:05 <doesthiswork> boily: there is no fundamental relation between how many words it says it has and how many it does have.
17:29:24 <Bike> is "less than" a fundamental relation
17:29:51 <zzo38> What is it called in chess when you refrain from capturing an opponent's piece because that piece is blocking another opponent's piece from moving?
17:30:51 <Bike> check yoset before you wreck...set
17:31:11 <boily> zzo38: a skewer, I think?
17:31:38 <zzo38> O, that's what it is called?
17:32:13 <boily> Bike: Tarkista yoset ennen hylky ... asettaa
17:32:17 <Bike> doesthiswork: does a sentence
17:32:41 <boily> does a sentence contains a sentence, or is it the sentence itself?
17:33:01 <zzo38> boily: No, I don't think a skewer is what I am talking about.
17:33:27 <boily> zzo38: I' currently on wikipédia's chess tactics, and indeed it is not a skewer.
17:35:33 <boily> zzo38: probably something related to interference, I guess.
17:36:29 <boily> I believe that kind of situation is more common in xiangqi, viz. the horses have special movement rules, so you can position your pieces in temporarily safe squares because the opponent's can't move there.
17:37:24 <boily> doesthiswork: but then, it is a quine of itself that contains the content of the quine in the quine, and not the sentence as a whole which only partially refers to the sentence in a quine.
17:39:06 <zzo38> boily: Yes, the movement of the horses in xiangqi can do that but does it have a name in xiangqi in general (not only to do with a horse)?
17:39:57 <Bike> least fixed point of "this sentence is false"
17:40:19 <doesthiswork> boily: I didn't say yes to the second question
17:41:38 <doesthiswork> the sentence "the sentence "this sentence contains six words" contains five words" is a sentence
17:41:57 <doesthiswork> but "this sentence contains six words" is also a sentence
17:42:02 <Bike> or is it.... quotation nesting errors
17:43:03 <doesthiswork> bike: you are perfectly able to see how the quotations nest, the spaces make it unambiguous
17:43:48 <Bike> «««»»«»«««»»«««««»»«»«»«»»»«««»»»
17:44:15 <boily> zzo38: if it has a name, I can't pronounce it :(
17:44:23 <zzo38> If you put "doesn't" it is still wrong
17:45:18 <boily> so we have a sentence A where A v ¬A is False.
17:46:05 <Bike> yeah, a classic (lol) resolution to "this sentence is false" is to assign a truth value of "neither true nor false"
17:46:25 <Bike> you can do like... "this sentence is not true" or something to break that though. too tired to remember exactly
17:46:47 <zzo38> I mean "this sentence doesn't contains six words"
17:47:09 <doesthiswork> or more reasonably adding "doesn't" doesn't perfectly correspond to negation
17:47:40 <zzo38> Yes, it doesn't perfectly correspond to negation.
17:48:26 <doesthiswork> but I'm pretty sure I can trick people into saying that it does, and then spring this sentence on them.
17:49:26 <boily> either we are abusing bots, or logic. we are become esoteric, destroyers of common sense and pineapples.
17:53:32 <olsner> boily: did you finish your tex wisdom?
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17:55:19 <boily> olsner: no, I was eating sushi.
17:55:59 <olsner> boily: how long have you been eating sushi?
17:56:10 <boily> eeeeh... half an hour, I guess?
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17:56:55 <olsner> ok, then I find it an invalid excuse
17:57:29 <boily> olsner: I know, but now I have nutrients in my body and can think of a better excuse!
17:57:48 <boily> last entry I did is «ngevd».
17:58:25 <olsner> you should implement that entry using a TeX PRNG
17:59:03 <boily> I'm scared of that kind of thing.
17:59:50 <boily> nah. I'm a publicly known coward.
18:00:10 <Bike> so, question. couldn't we just make wisdom/ngevd a symlink to /dev/urandom
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18:02:29 <olsner> I think that might break if someone tries to fix it
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18:02:36 <olsner> there may also be a good reason, I dunno
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18:03:46 <metasepia> Roald Dahl (13 September 191623 November 1990) was a British novelist, short story writer, poet, fighter pilot and screenwriter.
18:05:09 <fizzie> Bike: It kept breaking when you wanted to do some operation over all wisdom/* files.
18:05:30 <fizzie> Or, rather, working around that one entry in all greps and whatnot was an annoy.
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18:09:33 <Bike> fizzie: oh, lol.
18:09:33 <fizzie> I guess that's there for the guess-the-identity game?
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18:15:59 <boily> fizzie: looks like so, and impossible to guess correctly.
18:17:10 <fizzie> That was a boring thing to say.
18:17:24 <olsner> it's probably said a lot though
18:17:44 <fizzie> HackEgo: Was that you, yourself, by any chance?
18:18:05 <olsner> looks like randomanonlog has been used twice before today, by zzo38 on 2012-04-29
18:18:18 <Bike> this game is hard.
18:18:30 <boily> nn. just nn. how the fungot am I supposed to know who said that.
18:18:46 <fizzie> fungot: Are you feeling all right there?
18:18:46 <fungot> fizzie: behold, these are a side that would be known. thou canst not read
18:18:48 <fungot> olsner: falst. saue thy grace, leaue fnord your owne renowned knowledge, quite forgoe the way which brought vs hither
18:18:52 <Bike> man or random-an
18:19:25 * boily poke fungot “Oh, fungoooot ♪”
18:19:25 <fungot> boily: apemantus. right, i mean? servant. wholly, sir.
18:19:36 <HackEgo> man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config
18:19:41 <olsner> is this style from text that mixes u and v?
18:20:00 <olsner> I wonder if vs/saue/leaue means us/save/leave
18:20:39 <fizzie> olsner: It's from some Project Gutenberg files, is about all I remember.
18:20:56 <fizzie> Possibly I should have a Document describing the history of each style. (But I don't.)
18:21:12 <Bike> documentation? sounds like wussy shit.
18:21:22 <zzo38> Do you know of a "59eye+1Mewtwo" deck in Pokemon card? (It has been given different names because different people figured it out independently, although so did I and this is the name I gave it.)
18:21:32 <olsner> fizzie: as long as you never leave we can just ask you
18:21:37 <Bike> one time a guy i know vandalized a userpage of mine with text of a random gutenberg book, and later neither of us could find it ever again
18:21:58 * boily arc-welds fizzie to the abstract substance of the chännel
18:22:36 <kmc> zzo38: what do these cards do? can you send me links?
18:23:09 <fizzie> fungot: You should write yourself a home page. Do you want an installation of FrontPage to do it with?
18:23:10 <fungot> fizzie: say. heare me deare lady, i shall
18:23:47 <fizzie> fungot: And stop calling me a lady.
18:23:48 <fungot> fizzie: du.sen. come, dearest madam. o, tis a boysterous and a cruell stile, a stile for challengers: why, look, thy foes are bound, to morrow
18:23:57 <fizzie> I don't think "madam" is much better.
18:25:07 <zzo38> kmc: They are the Mewtwo Lv.53 from the base set and basic energy cards.
18:26:11 <boily> fizzie: what are your rates? do you accept visa?
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18:28:30 <kmc> zzo38: How does this deck work?
18:29:00 <kmc> don't you need psy energy too?
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18:29:28 <zzo38> kmc: Yes, all the cards are psy energy.
18:29:53 <Bike> that's a valid deck?
18:30:26 <Bike> i have no idea how to pokemon.
18:31:36 <zzo38> MEWTWO [Lv.53] has E: { @ } HP: 6 W: { @ } R: - and two attacks, one costing { @* } causing number of energy attached to opponent's active pokemon +1, one costing { @@ } and discard an energy card attached to self, causing all effects of opponent's attacks on this card to fail next turn
18:32:04 <kmc> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-23861397 "The aim of the experiment was to see what would happen if a microscopic sphere was spun as fast as was technically possible... They saw it spin faster and faster until it reached 600 million rpm - and then it seemed to vanish! The researchers don't know what happened to the sphere"
18:32:51 <olsner> boily: I think that's from the name of a book about norwegian health care
18:33:02 <Bike> "We may even be able to shed light on the area of quantum friction - that is does quantum mechanics put the brakes on the motion or spinning particle even though we are in a near perfect vacuum with no other apparent sources of friction?" wat
18:33:33 <zzo38> Bike: You need at least one card that can be played as a basic pokemon card, but the other fifty-nine cards can be anything.
18:34:24 <metasepia> eye definition: a specialized light-sensitive sensory structure of animals that in nearly all vertebrates, most arthropods, and some mollusks is the image-forming organ of sight; '''especially'''.
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18:36:32 <boily> that... bugs me. this «especially», I don't trust it.
18:36:58 <boily> up to «s» is covered!
18:37:02 <Bike> it's kind of cool how many things we call eyes even though they have no phylogenetic and very little morphological similarity
18:38:20 <boily> some plants have “eyes” that can detect light.
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18:38:28 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include D-modules, automatic squirrel feeders, and Go
18:38:34 <boily> ah, I was missing the go part.
18:38:42 <doesthiswork> I thought the homiobox genes had a section for eye placement
18:38:46 <Bike> they do? i thought plant motion was just from chloroplast activity or somethin.
18:39:32 <boily> Bike: I need to find the concerned species, but yeah. a very small number of plants have what, with some stretching, you can call an eye.
18:40:15 <Bike> doesthiswork: i'm reasonably sure compound eyes and our eyes evolved independently. i don't think homeobox controls eye placement? maybe as part of controlling face
18:40:17 <zzo38> A 59eye+1Mewtwo deck can sometimes win but it can also often lose if opponent knows about it.
18:41:11 <Bike> i mean i'm thinking of like, clams that have a ring of eyes
18:41:31 <doesthiswork> bike: the focusing parts developed separately, but before that photosensitive patches of skin existed
18:41:46 <Bike> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9177348 hrm
18:42:01 <Bike> i've always heard that eyespots evolved multiple times
18:42:15 <Bike> maybe you're right and it's farther apart than between us and flies, though
18:42:36 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye#One_origin_or_many.3F hrm
18:42:52 <zzo38> Do you have enough eyes yet?
18:43:01 <Bike> i'm already hrm-ing!
18:43:15 <boily> seems like we missed a tanebvention along the way...
18:43:21 <HackEgo> Topologically, a torus is just a torus. Taneb invented them.
18:43:35 <boily> Taneb: how do you want it appended to the list?
18:43:44 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include D-modules, automatic squirrel feeders, and Go
18:44:03 <doesthiswork> bike: Pax6 is a gene that controls eyes and is present in the common ancestor of most animals
18:44:18 <Taneb> `learn Tanebventions include D-modules, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, and Go.
18:44:24 <Bike> yes that's what the pubmed link was about
18:44:30 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include D-modules, automatic squirrel feeders, and Go
18:44:42 <olsner> looks like learn doesn't handle case properly
18:45:07 <boily> `run cp wisdom/tanebventions wisdom/tanebvention
18:45:17 <Bike> "PAX6 protein function is highly conserved across bilaterian species" hm
18:45:18 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include D-modules, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, and Go.
18:45:49 <doesthiswork> bike: it also controls photosensors in jellyfish
18:46:33 <doesthiswork> so the eyes developed separately but the photoreceptors had a common orgin
18:47:06 <Bike> guess i was wrong then
18:47:26 * boily headdesks at the sight of `? ursala...
18:47:38 <Bike> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14602077
18:48:12 <HackEgo> ~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=≪+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXPS; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-,
18:48:41 <olsner> boily: imagine being able to read and make sense of that
18:49:12 <zzo38> It is often said that energy removal can defeat a 59eye+1Mewtwo deck, but actually that is not always the case. Once I played a 59eye+1Mewtwo deck against an opponent who had four ENERGY REMOVAL and four SUPER ENERGY REMOVAL (I knew this before starting), and managed to play all eight cards, and *I still won*.
18:49:31 <olsner> iirc, l and r get the left and right of a pair, t and h get the tail and head of a list
18:49:37 <Bike> what's a tutura
18:50:53 <metasepia> tuatara definition: a large spiny quadrupedal reptile ('''Sphenodon punctatum''') of islands off the coast of New Zealand that has a vestigial third eye in the middle of the forehead representing the pineal gland and that is the only surviving rhynchocephalian.
18:50:53 <Bike> spelling, enemy of all humankind
18:50:55 <HackEgo> ~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=≪+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXPS; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-,
18:50:59 <metasepia> Software description: concise functional programming language (C).
18:51:07 <Bike> oh, the pineal gland lizards.
18:51:18 <boily> olsner: I think I'll verbatim it, and see what happens...
18:51:30 <boily> that, or usepackage lstlistings.
18:51:51 <olsner> btw it's not a complete program, just the incomprehensible bits
18:51:57 <zzo38> Is there a picture that shows all three eyes clearly?
18:52:01 <Bike> wait they have retinas and stuff :|
18:52:13 <Bike> zzo38: "The parietal eye is only visible in hatchlings, which have a translucent patch at the top centre of the skull."
18:53:28 <Bike> zzo38: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Frog_parietal_eye.JPG here's one in a frog
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19:10:20 <boily> I found a way to have ‼, but now it chokes on phở.
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19:22:15 <boily> Roujo: at least it wasn't bún bò huế ¬_¬'...
19:22:28 <Roujo> We take what we're given
19:22:59 <boily> «à phở donné, on ne regarde pas le bol,» or something like that.
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19:23:52 <boily> I used the classic babel/selectlanguage combo to wrap the entry, and now everything flows smoothly.
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19:38:49 <oerjan> darn you're talkative.
19:38:50 <boily> first pass over the Wisdoms: done!
19:39:11 <boily> oerjan: I had to whip out also CJKutf8 for `? wercome.
19:40:37 <boily> I'm missing 22 entries that I couldn't easily include (nasty unicode stuff, and or needs colourification).
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19:43:18 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wercome: not found
19:43:38 <HackEgo> wat: エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て： http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ）
19:44:49 <oerjan> `run sed 's/welcome/wercome/g' bin/welcome > bin/wercome
19:45:02 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/wercome: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/wercome: cannot execute: Permission denied
19:45:13 <oerjan> `run chmod +x bin/wercome
19:45:20 <HackEgo> wat: now: エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て： http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ）
19:50:00 <oerjan> <boily> «g» and «h» covered. I also conflagrated the gaszszszpachoes. <-- wat.
19:50:42 <lambdabot> *** "conflagrate" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
19:50:42 <lambdabot> v 1: cause to start burning; "The setting sun kindled the sky
19:50:42 <lambdabot> with oranges and reds" [syn: {kindle}, {enkindle},
19:51:07 <oerjan> boily: THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SERVED COLD YOU BARBARIAN
19:52:11 <HackEgo> wisdom/gaspacho \ wisdom/gaszpacho \ wisdom/gazpacho \ wisdom/gazspacho
19:52:36 <HackEgo> You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off!
19:52:45 <HackEgo> gaszpacho is a polish soup, traditionally szerved cold for hot szummer days
19:52:54 <HackEgo> gazspacho is a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz
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19:55:25 <oerjan> `run ? gazpacho # for completeness
19:55:27 <HackEgo> You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off!
19:56:36 <boily> oerjan: I like conflagrating stuff, especially soups that shouldn't :D
19:56:56 <boily> MWAH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH!
19:57:04 <boily> (no, I still am not insane.)
19:57:12 <HackEgo> "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
19:57:28 <boily> oh well. just wait a few moments while I dropbox the draft pdf...
19:58:17 <boily> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf
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19:59:29 <oerjan> <boily> 10 MB FOR A SINGLE ENTRY. <-- did you try to include `? ngevd
20:00:01 <boily> oerjan: oh no, that one is perfectly fine. gave me a little trouble because of the ‼, but otherwise no problem.
20:00:18 <boily> I was complaining about `? irrelevant info.
20:00:34 <oerjan> note that `? ngevd is not identical to wisdom/ngevd any longer
20:00:54 <HackEgo> KHL?%y9vnkM_v46$Tn`ʋxkH2gqH;!;2F(zإ2CmXW
20:01:23 <boily> the ll of that one gives: «-rw-r--r-- 1 boily users 10M 27 aoû 20:52 irrelevant info»
20:01:48 <oerjan> i suppose that may be the case.
20:02:25 <boily> 10485760 bytes, to be exact.
20:04:29 <HackEgo> \ The high level stucture of Cello projects is inspired by /Haskell/, while the syntax and semantics are inspired by /Python/ and /Obj-C/.
20:05:12 <boily> eh? but... I have content!
20:05:30 <boily> oh. those are colour codes like everything else...
20:05:58 <boily> meh. I'll do that another day.
20:06:12 <boily> `? run cat wisdom/cello
20:06:14 <HackEgo> run cat wisdom/cello? ¯\(°_o)/¯
20:06:18 <boily> `run cat wisdom/cello
20:06:20 <HackEgo> \ The high level stucture of Cello projects is inspired by /Haskell/, while the syntax and semantics are inspired by /Python/ and /Obj-C/.
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20:07:55 <oerjan> `run ord < wisdom/cello
20:08:15 <oerjan> hm i suppose it breaks on the colors
20:08:32 <oerjan> `run ord "`wisdom/cello`"
20:08:33 <HackEgo> bash: wisdom/cello: Permission denied
20:08:42 <oerjan> `run ord "`cat wisdom/cello`"
20:08:44 <HackEgo> 3 52 84 104 101 32 3 55 104 105 103 104 32 3 56 108 101 118 101 108 32 3 57 115 116 117 99 116 117 114 101 32 3 50 111 102 32 3 49 51 67 101 108 108 111 32 3 54 112 114 111 106 101 99 116 115 32 3 52 105 115 32 3 55 105 110 115 112 105 114 101 100 32 3 56 98 121 32 3 57 47 72 97 115 107 101 108 108 47 44 32 3 50 119 104 105 108 101 32 3 49 51 116 1
20:08:48 <kmc> `run file wisdom/irrelevant*
20:08:50 <HackEgo> wisdom/irrelevant info: data
20:09:30 <kmc> oh Cello is this batshit awesome thung http://libcello.org/
20:10:08 <metasepia> Christopher Scott Thile (born February 20, 1981) is an American musician, best known as the mandolinist and a singer for the progressive acoustic trio Nickel Creek and acoustic folk/progressive bluegrass quintet the Punch Brothers.
20:10:32 <HackEgo> \ The high level stucture of Cello projects is inspired by /Haskell/, while the syntax and semantics are inspired by /Python/ and /Obj-C/.
20:10:43 <oerjan> wtf does it give the \ initially
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20:12:02 <oerjan> ok there _are_ two lines
20:12:14 <oerjan> `run tail +2 wisdom/cello
20:12:16 <HackEgo> tail: cannot open `+2' for reading: No such file or directory \ ==> wisdom/cello <== \ \ The high level stucture of Cello projects is inspired by /Haskell/, while the syntax and semantics are inspired by /Python/ and /Obj-C/.
20:12:29 <oerjan> `run tail -2 wisdom/cello
20:12:31 <HackEgo> \ The high level stucture of Cello projects is inspired by /Haskell/, while the syntax and semantics are inspired by /Python/ and /Obj-C/.
20:12:36 <oerjan> `run tail -1 wisdom/cello
20:12:37 <HackEgo> The high level stucture of Cello projects is inspired by /Haskell/, while the syntax and semantics are inspired by /Python/ and /Obj-C/.
20:12:52 <oerjan> `run tail -1 wisdom/cello > q; mv q wisdom/cello
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20:13:46 <oerjan> i'm sure there's a command _somewhere_ to only replace a file from a pipe once it's complete
20:15:28 <boily> oerjan: iirc, there's «sponge» to do that. can't remember where it came from...
20:16:13 <kmc> sponge is from moreutils
20:16:15 <kmc> moreutils is the best
20:16:41 <oerjan> Gregor: MOAR UTILS PLZ
20:17:06 <boily> Gracenotes: AS STRANGE AS IT MAY BE, I AGREE WITH ØRJAN. MOAAAAAAAR!
20:17:17 <boily> s/Gracenotes/Gregor/
20:17:26 <kmc> it also has 'parallel' (map a command over args in parallel) and 'ts' (prepend timestamp to each line of output)
20:17:31 <oerjan> @tell Gregor Your constant idleness ruins my jokes, also my nagging
20:17:32 <boily> I really should have an intelligent autocomplete. something smarter than I.
20:17:44 <fizzie> "pee: tee standard input to pipes" best name?
20:18:01 <fizzie> (Also "man pee" was not the best Google search.)
20:18:17 <kmc> depends what you're after
20:18:19 <Gregor> oerjan: Install it yourself.
20:19:00 <oerjan> `run aptget moreutils #THIS IS THE COMMAND RIGHT?
20:19:01 <HackEgo> bash: aptget: command not found
20:19:27 <oerjan> `run apt-get moreutils #THIS IS THE COMMAND RIGHT?
20:19:29 <HackEgo> W: Unable to read /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ - DirectoryExists (2: No such file or directory) \ E: Invalid operation moreutils
20:19:38 <fizzie> You also forgot the "install". Not that it'll help.
20:19:48 <oerjan> `run apt-get install moreutils #THIS IS THE COMMAND RIGHT?
20:19:51 <HackEgo> W: Unable to read /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ - DirectoryExists (2: No such file or directory) \ E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (2: No such file or directory) \ E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
20:20:08 <fizzie> You're, like, doubling the error message every iteration.
20:20:15 <oerjan> `run sudo apt-get install moreutils #NOW IT WORKS RIGHT?
20:20:17 <HackEgo> bash: sudo: command not found
20:22:22 <oerjan> i recall last i had a machine with linux that i administered. it used rpm
20:23:03 <fizzie> The Reverse Polish package Manager.
20:23:05 <oerjan> was in the glorious (read terrifying) year of 2002.
20:25:09 <HackEgo> cpressey invented the esolang, the pipe cleaner and the electrical mouse.
20:25:23 <oerjan> `run sed -i 's/mouse/mousse/' wisdom/cpressey
20:25:32 <oerjan> i feel this is a clear improvement.
20:27:14 <HackEgo> #esoteric is the only channel that exists. monqy is its centroïd.
20:27:45 <Bike> take that, boily
20:29:08 <HackEgo> There are two kinds of fields. Those where you can divide (except by zero), and those where you can conquer.
20:31:07 <olsner> ah, so much good wisdom
20:31:11 <oerjan> `run ? firefly #Exercise: Why is this entry out of place?
20:31:13 <HackEgo> FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon.
20:33:45 <oerjan> `? for further details
20:33:48 <oerjan> `? for further details.
20:33:50 <HackEgo> See `? for further details for futher details.
20:34:01 <oerjan> `? for further details for futher details.
20:34:01 <olsner> `? for further details for futher details.
20:34:03 <HackEgo> See `? for further details for futher details.
20:34:03 <HackEgo> See `? for further details for futher details.
20:34:11 <oerjan> `? for further details for further details.
20:34:13 <HackEgo> for further details for further details.? ¯\(°_o)/¯
20:34:34 <oerjan> boily: you misspelled the entry
20:34:47 <oerjan> by which i mean, you corrected the spelling
20:36:30 <kmc> wow, somebody is teaching an OS class using Rust: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs4414-fall2013/pages/ps1.html
20:36:53 <oerjan> boily: also, your conflagration of gaszpacho and gazspacho misses the point
20:37:29 <HackEgo> wisdom/gaspacho \ wisdom/gaszpacho \ wisdom/gazpacho \ wisdom/gazspacho \ wisdom/gazspaczo
20:37:37 <Bike> misses all five points
20:37:48 <HackEgo> gazspaczo iz a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz
20:38:14 <HackEgo> gazspacho is a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz
20:39:32 <olsner> boily: why are all backticks replaced with ... acute accents?
20:39:34 <boily> oerjan: okay, I'll deconflagrate the gazszpachoesz.
20:40:39 <oerjan> olsner: don't you mean grave
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20:41:47 <olsner> oerjan: according to wikipedia the acute accent is the one pointing the way it does in the pdf
20:43:02 <oerjan> i was assuming you were referring to the accent you pasted
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20:43:33 <boily> acute is ´, grave is `.
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20:44:19 <olsner> oerjan: that accent was copy-pasted from the pdf yes
20:44:35 <olsner> it seems to be doubling as an apostrophe as well?
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20:45:35 <HackEgo> itidus20's entry has been censored.
20:45:43 <oerjan> boily: you dropped the 's
20:45:58 <boily> it was voluntary. the «'s» didn't fit right.
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20:46:20 <oerjan> ...i suppose that's all right then.
20:47:28 <HackEgo> lexer is a maximally Norwegian painter. Its squares are munched with chili sauce.
20:47:42 <Bike> well, it's true
20:47:56 <olsner> edward munch vs maximum munch rule vs sriracha sauce, iirc ... the squares, I'm not quite sure
20:48:07 <fizzie> olsner: The "munching squares" display hack.
20:48:15 <fizzie> oerjan: Are you reading all of the wisdom. (All of it.)
20:48:44 <oerjan> all that boily has included in the pdf.
20:49:42 <fizzie> Oh, I did not see a PDF. I see it now.
20:49:49 <oerjan> ...where does the sriracha sauce fit in
20:51:02 <oerjan> perhaps this is the fault of google translate somehow.
20:51:08 <olsner> it seems anything even mentioned on the same day risks getting munched into the next wisdom entry
20:51:25 <fizzie> oerjan: It's from WordNet.
20:51:28 <lambdabot> *** "munch" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
20:51:28 <lambdabot> n 1: Norwegian painter (1863-1944) [syn: {Munch}, {Edvard
20:51:28 <lambdabot> 2: a large bite; "he tried to talk between munches on the
20:51:34 <lambdabot> v 1: chew noisily; "The children crunched the celery sticks"
20:52:02 <olsner> how/why did royal steaks get into the chess wisdom?
20:52:36 <fizzie> Anyway, sriracha sauce was a topic right around the same time indeed.
20:52:49 <oerjan> olsner: via discussing why you don't capture the king in chess iirc. anyway it was just the other day.
20:53:06 <olsner> I asked something about sriracha sauce vaguely around the time there was talk about munching, but I don't remember how it got mixed in
20:53:16 <olsner> oerjan: yeah, but how the steaks?
20:54:37 <oerjan> olsner: you can blame boily.
20:54:50 <oerjan> (also it was just yesterday.)
20:56:32 <oerjan> i think this is all part of boily denying going insane fwiw
20:56:37 <olsner> yeah, I do remember :) I wondered just as much about it back then
20:57:25 <oerjan> i was guessing it was a pun, which is why i googled and found monarch steak house but i don't know if that's really a widespread concept.
21:00:16 <oerjan> `run ? mojibake #Did boily really get this one right
21:00:18 <HackEgo> mojibake _ÌÌÌ°_ÌÌÍÍ̦̻ͬÌÍÌÌÍ¡_ͧÍÌÍÌ_ÍÍÍͧÍÌÌ̯Í̬̬̦̯_ÌÌÌͨÌÌ´Í
21:00:45 <olsner> there might've been a few encoding problems on the way
21:01:22 <HackEgo> Morphisms are just elements of the Hom-set of a pair of objects.
21:01:58 <olsner> actually, I get the same mojibake as in the PDF, good job there
21:04:58 <oerjan> boily: the pho entry misses the bold
21:05:16 <oerjan> i guess that's obvious
21:06:36 <HackEgo> Pouti is boily's brother. he's also Canadian, and he closes the Roujo pointer loop.
21:06:45 <boily> oerjan: I had the bold, but changin the font to mathpazo screwed it.
21:07:17 <boily> oerjan: the mojibake entry was hand-tweaked. the broken pipe, ¬ and ¯ caused some problems.
21:07:18 <oerjan> `learn Poutine was Pouti and boily's sister until the tragic cheese accident.
21:07:28 <boily> we have a sister???
21:08:54 <olsner> boily: do you have something called pgf available in your tex environment? apparently it has a random number generator
21:09:29 <olsner> (e.g. as used here to solve a completely different problem http://tex.stackexchange.com/a/41850)
21:11:26 <olsner> `run touch wisdom/output
21:11:35 <oerjan> `learn Right is not two wrongs but three lefts.
21:12:18 <Roujo> `learn xyzzy is Nothing happens
21:13:12 <oerjan> `run ? sgeolang #Out of date?
21:13:14 <HackEgo> sgeolang currently is either J or Io.
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21:14:35 <Bike> out of date. it's active worlds now
21:14:52 <fizzie> In a PostScript file you'd presumably optimally have a different ngevd output every time you view it. (If you can get some entropy in there.)
21:15:08 <HackEgo> A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit.
21:15:18 <oerjan> Bike: that's not a language
21:15:27 <olsner> fizzie: yes! that's even better than doing it at TeX time
21:15:37 <olsner> but it probably doesn't work in pdfs?
21:16:21 * oerjan is suspicious of that lone s
21:16:42 <olsner> doesn't pdfs have javascript support nowadays?
21:17:10 <oerjan> hm it's in the original wikipedia entry
21:17:25 <boily> I'm struggling with recursive \newcommand. what I want to achieve is to define a \newcolor{lightblue}{0.8,0.8,1} in the preamble, then have \lightblue{this is coloured} in the text.
21:17:30 <fizzie> You can embed some Flash in it, I think.
21:17:36 <oerjan> which is itself a quote.
21:17:46 <fizzie> And also some JavaScript too.
21:17:58 <fizzie> It's probably all quite Adobe-only.
21:20:02 <oklopol> oerjan: russian has lone s and lone v
21:20:53 <oklopol> meaning with, in, by, respectively; i think
21:21:44 <olsner> I think w is something like and in polish
21:22:33 <oerjan> but hungarian isn't slavic, although surrounded by slavic languages
21:22:58 <nooodl> apparently а, б, в, ж, и, к, о, с, у, я are all valid single-letter words in russian
21:23:18 <nooodl> (a b v zh i k o s u ya)
21:26:16 <oerjan> <boily> ~eval foldl1 max [5, 6, 8]
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21:26:53 <fizzie> You jumper-to-conclusions you.
21:27:21 <oerjan> my short term memory is not good enough to wait until i've read all the logs.
21:28:28 <fizzie> You could write all your comments to a file, and then paste it all at a time when you've finished.
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21:29:37 <oerjan> <boily> move along. nobody saw nothing. <-- OKAY
21:37:08 <kmc> TRAAAAAIN TIME
21:37:28 <kmc> class CatBus : public Cat, public Bus
21:37:28 <Roujo> Here it's more like BUS has-many CAR
21:37:49 <Roujo> class Bus extends Car implements PublicTransit
21:37:57 <boily> fungot the recursive newcommand.
21:37:57 <fungot> boily: pro. already haue i bin false to valentine, and viola in mans attire.
21:38:52 <kmc> are boily and fungot going to second level meditation?
21:38:53 <fungot> kmc: mess. my lord, you are too proud to yield her city for one little breach; should be divorced from her earthly spouse by the soft temper of a french man's sword? lo, to repair some other hour shall tell thee, farewell.
21:39:06 <fizzie> In re TRAINS: "In Scandinavia the Kiruna to Narvik railway carries iron ore from the mines in Kiruna in the north of Sweden down to the port of Narvik in Norway to this day. The rail cars are full of thousands of tons of iron ore on the way down to Narvik, and these trains generate large amounts of electricity by their regenerative braking. From Riksgränsen on the national border to the Port ...
21:39:13 <fizzie> ... of Narvik, the trains use only a fifth of the power they regenerate. The regenerated energy is sufficient to power the empty trains back up to the national border.[9] Any excess energy from the railway is pumped into the power grid to supply homes and businesses in the region, and the railway is a net generator of electricity."
21:39:21 <kmc> fuck yeah!
21:39:55 <Bike> how to make trains economical: fill them with ore. makes sense
21:40:12 <kmc> if you like trains you should join #cslounge-trains maybe
21:40:18 <kmc> i'm going to tell them about this now
21:40:39 <fizzie> Do tell them it was a Wikipedia quote, so you never know about reliability.
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21:40:44 <fizzie> [9] is another Wikipedia page.
21:40:49 <kmc> I couldn't find the same quote on Wikipedia
21:41:00 <fizzie> It was from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_brake
21:42:09 <olsner> how much energy does it take to bring the ore out of the mine to put it on the train though?
21:42:33 <fizzie> (Though that other page has a real citation, just not one available online -- "Næss, Per (3 August 2007). "Evighetsmaskiner". Fremover (in Norwegian). p. 28.")
21:42:54 <fizzie> I assume "Evighetsmaskiner" refers to a perpetual motion machine?
21:42:56 <Bike> olsner: eh, the romans could manage it, i'm sure swedes can
21:43:48 <fizzie> (Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hccf-8BYaDg best perpetual machine song?)
21:44:02 <kmc> ewige blumenkraft!
21:44:36 <fizzie> (There's a Finnish version of the song, too.)
21:45:41 <fizzie> (It's about a university professor being interviewed.)
21:45:42 <olsner> cool, what's its name?
21:46:36 <fizzie> olsner: "Fixu vekotin" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5AM2eUriS0
21:46:38 <kmc> also I think there is almost no electric freight rail in the USA
21:47:58 <kmc> there was one railroad that dismantled their electrification to sell it for fast cash... just as the price of copper plummeted and fuel skyrocketed
21:49:02 <oerjan> <olsner> looks like learn doesn't handle case properly <-- yes it does. now plural on the other hand...
21:49:17 <olsner> is it `? that does s then?
21:49:23 <HackEgo> The high level stucture of Cello projects is inspired by /Haskell/, while the syntax and semantics are inspired by /Python/ and /Obj-C/.
21:50:28 <oerjan> <fizzie> (Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hccf-8BYaDg best perpetual machine song?) <-- yes. i've linked it here before.
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21:53:49 <oerjan> elliott suggested making `learn do plurals the other day.
21:53:50 <kmc> "See also: - Swedish iron ore during World War II - Heaviest trains"
21:54:38 <boily> the yellow may be a little bit aggressive, but colours work!
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21:56:08 <HackEgo> Colour is a phenomenon from outer space designed to drive humanity insane and bring forth the new age of Cthulhu.
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21:56:32 <boily> that one is going to be nasty. I'll have to have to do a script for that...
21:57:58 <boily> I wonder if the link autoupgrades itself...
21:58:32 <boily> oerjan: colourful cello in the pdf!
22:02:16 <boily> the solution to the \newcommand in the \newcommand isn't exactly what I had in mind, but it works, and the end result is probably easier to autogenerate.
22:02:42 <boily> still, I haven't found a way to define a command whose name isn't yet known, and that can accept arguments.
22:06:01 <boily> 'night all! feel free to deconstruct the PDF.
22:06:03 <oerjan> `rm wisdom/tanebventions
22:06:27 <boily> oerjan: the pdf. not the db itself.
22:06:34 <boily> the PEEDEEÈÈÈÈÈFEUH!
22:06:46 <oerjan> i've lost the url for the moment.
22:07:01 <boily> about 280 replies earlier.
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22:07:16 <oerjan> somehow IE's logs doesn't include it.
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22:54:35 <nooodl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_categories_that_do_not_contain_themselves
22:55:16 <Bike> mediawiki's real failing is in allowing naïve quantification
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23:51:41 <elliott> does anyone have any particular recommendations as far as password management/generation programs and the like go? cross-platform is desirable of course, as is some form of mobile support (though not required)
23:52:52 <Fiora> lastpass is a thing, I think?
23:54:23 <shachaf> elliott: a piece of paper hth
23:55:39 <elliott> Fiora: yeah, I looked at it but I'm a bit wary of using a closed-source application for this kind of thing... especially since they've apparently already had a security breach :p
23:56:18 <elliott> I've been looking at KeePass/KeePassX which look pretty good, but I dunno