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00:47:41 <mad> trying to solve a hard problem
00:48:05 <Sgeo> I think my senses are out of sync when it comes to food
00:48:10 <Bike> hard problems are fun
00:48:23 <Sgeo> Steak smells great but tastes boring. Mac and cheese looks gross but tastes great
00:48:43 <mad> designing some sprite display hardware that can display lots of sprites with minimal registers and without having to load sprite data, write sprite data and then load data a 3rd time when the screen displays it
00:49:22 <Sgeo> Doesn't Kraft artifically color their cheese? Couldn't they color it something not gross?
00:49:52 <kmc> Sgeo: how are you cooking your steak
00:50:31 <kmc> anyway I think you should eat steak w/ mac and cheese
00:51:03 <mnoqy> i don't like kraft cheese.... i've had "home made" baked cheesy mac though and it's good
00:51:15 <Sgeo> Most of my steak related memories are from over a decade ago
00:51:37 <Sgeo> My mom cooked steak well-done, I think. I keep getting told that that's bad with steak
00:51:38 <kmc> mnoqy: yeah that stuff is great... with breadcrumbs on top?
00:51:46 <kmc> yeah, that'll cook all the flavor right out
00:51:52 <Bike> can i get a quick opinion on webdav
00:52:06 <kmc> I recommend medium rare with salt, pepper, garlic, herbs maybe (rosemary? dunno)
00:52:11 <kmc> you can put on steak sauce too
00:52:23 <kmc> Bike: that should solve your webdav problems
00:52:32 <mad> you could go through every sprite on every pixel
00:52:32 <Sgeo> I think I've had steak more recently, at Dave & Busters. The steak sause seemed to add all the flavoring
00:52:41 <mad> and then you'd have 0 overdraw
00:53:03 <mad> but then you'd totally bust your memory loading up sprite settings
00:54:42 <mad> you could store all your sprites as a bunch of line spans
00:54:55 <mad> and then write those spans to line span lists
00:55:07 <mad> then sort the list for each line
00:55:08 <kmc> Sgeo: if you want to get sciency, cook it sous vide
00:55:20 <kmc> then you can get it precisely medium rare with no cooking skill required
00:55:27 <kmc> also you save all of the juices and you can put them on potatoes
00:55:31 <mad> and then you'd have a perfect list telling you when the current graphic object switches for each line
00:55:48 <Sgeo> Can I get a restaurant to do it for me?
00:55:54 <mad> but then the problem is that you have to do 240 sorts of about 20 items
00:55:58 <kmc> yeah but they're also probably good at cooking steaks the normal way
00:56:00 <kmc> since it's their job
00:56:32 <mad> and it would probably be fast enough on a 32bit processor (actually some 3d renderes use that algo) but it would totally bust an 8bit one
00:56:53 <Sgeo> Is there still a risk of undercooking with sous vide?
00:57:09 <kmc> well if things go wrong yeah
00:57:18 <kmc> there's a risk of undercooking with any cooking technique if you don't do it right
00:57:22 <kmc> kind of axiomatically
00:57:36 <mad> you could loop through every sprite on every scanline and draw every sprite front to back and have a mask buffer
00:57:49 <mnoqy> burn it to a crisp. once it's a crisp you're probably safe.
00:58:05 <mad> and then you'd have more or less zero overdraw if you keep your transparency mask separate in 1bpp format
00:58:09 <kmc> the main things with sous vide would be make sure the water reaches the target temp, make sure the meat stays in long enough for all of it to reach the target temp, and make sure the bag is sufficiently empty of air that heat is conducted from the water
00:58:23 <kmc> it doesn't need to be a perfect vacuum seal though, I just use a ziploc bag and push the air out
00:58:29 <Sgeo> "Clostridium botulinum bacteria can grow in food in the absence of oxygen and produce the deadly botulinum toxin, so sous-vide cooking must be performed under carefully controlled conditions to avoid botulism poisoning."
00:58:51 <Sgeo> I think I'm scared
00:58:55 <mad> but then you need a buffer for the whole scanline... they had enough chip area for this in the 16bit era (tg16, genesis, snes, jaguar, lots of arcade hardware) but not in the 8bit era
00:59:03 <kmc> clostridium is the best genus
00:59:18 <kmc> botulism, tetanus, c. dificile, gas gangrene, and salt-rising bread
00:59:30 <Sgeo> I need a meat thermometer
00:59:43 <Bike> meat thermometers are nice to have.
00:59:46 <Sgeo> Preferably one that works with ready-to-eat meals
01:00:02 <Sgeo> Because I had one but it was too long for the little meat thingies in those
01:00:06 <kmc> why would a ready to eat need cooking for safety?
01:00:07 <Sgeo> Well, not ready-to-eat
01:00:21 <Sgeo> The microwavable things that say you need to check temperature for safety
01:00:28 <kmc> they say that cause they don't want to get sued
01:00:44 <kmc> if you don't have a compromised immune system then I wouldn't worry too much about this stuff
01:01:15 <kmc> that said I do seem to mind gastrointestinal upset less than most people
01:01:28 <mad> I don't think implementing hardware sorting on 8bit hardware is very realistic either :/
01:01:38 <kmc> I used 8bit hardware in my sous vide setup!
01:05:01 <kmc> well that killed both topics
01:07:00 <mad> kinda hard to do much better than the nes on 8bit hardware
01:07:08 <mad> except I guess the master system
01:07:32 <kmc> fuck yeah master system
01:07:37 <kmc> fuck yeah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snail_Maze
01:08:38 <Sgeo> "Macromedia Flash"
01:08:40 <Sgeo> Wow that's old
01:08:47 <Sgeo> Also broken link :(
01:08:51 <mad> it wasn't very popular here (Canada)
01:09:27 <kmc> it was very popular in my parents basement
01:09:33 <kmc> mainly cause I bought one from a kid at school for $5
01:09:36 <kmc> long after it was obsolete
01:09:57 <kmc> like the consoles I owned were a Sega Master System and then a PS2
01:11:23 * mad looks up SMS docs to try to guess if it had a scanline buffer
01:13:50 <Sgeo> I never owned any consoles
01:16:15 <mad> had a snes
01:16:50 <mad> still kindof amazing how much stuff they got out of that trash... goes to show that gfx and sfx hardware are the most important things
01:17:17 <mad> since those are pretty much the only things that were good on the snes
01:23:00 <mad> yeah ok SMS only supports 8 sprites per scanline
01:23:11 <mad> though they can be 16x16 I think
01:23:15 <mad> and 64 sprites total
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01:33:29 <mad> so it's probably NES style hardware
01:33:49 <mad> where it has 8 hardware sprite circuits
01:33:57 <mad> which it loads during HBLANK
01:34:17 <mad> then waits the right pixel and starts outputting
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01:38:21 <mad> the sprite table is in VRAM
01:38:31 <mad> every scanline it reads up the whole table
01:38:43 <mad> well, the wholy y position table
01:38:53 <mad> 64 sprites = 64 bytes
01:39:55 <mad> For comparison, the background tiles take 64bytes, and the background tile data takes 128bytes
01:41:11 <mad> and sprite data takes 64 bytes
01:45:52 <Sgeo> Is there something in the 'cheese' of Kraft's Mac and Cheese that stimulates hunger?
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01:52:49 <mad> hm, I was wrong
01:52:59 <mad> you only get 8x16 sprites
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02:48:05 <kmc> Sgeo: I just cooked a steak with lots of salt, black pepper, rosemary, and sage, and it's delicious even though I accidentally made it medium if not medium-well
02:48:42 <Sgeo> Is it just the salt+black pepper+rosemary+sage that's delicious though, or does the steak contribute?
02:49:07 <kmc> steak contributes
02:49:14 <elliott> have you considered just putting the spices on a block of plastic and eating that, kmc
02:49:16 <kmc> salt is a flavor enhancer more than a flavor in itself
02:49:27 <kmc> it makes other flavors stronger
02:53:08 <Fiora> kmc: spices are amazing aren't they
02:53:13 <Fiora> I love just throwing more spices into things to make them better
02:53:24 <Fiora> like taking canned soup and tossing in chili oil and rosemary and things
02:54:29 <kmc> chili oil is a great thing to have around
02:54:38 <kmc> we have a live rosemary plant and a live sage plant on the porch :)
02:54:45 <kmc> I feel bad ripping off parts of their bodies but it's worth it
02:55:07 <CADD> kmc: plants dont have nerves :)
02:56:47 <CADD> my current favorite meal: wisk two eggs with a 1/2 cup milk. cube cheese, add to eggs, add cilantro, green onion, dijon mustard, and mushrooms. cut up bacon into pieces, fry in butter, add egg mixture to butter and bacon. cook and serve
02:56:59 <kmc> hell yes that sounds great
02:57:00 <Bike> kind of want kmc to just have an EEG hooked up to his plants all the time
02:57:15 <CADD> omg, ive been pretty much living off of it for the last couple of weeks
02:57:18 <CADD> and its soo good and cheap
02:58:20 <kmc> what kind of mushrooms
02:58:47 <CADD> kmc: crimini or portobello
02:59:02 <CADD> if i dont have those, then white button works too :)
02:59:13 <kmc> all of those are the same species :)
02:59:17 <kmc> mushrooms are great
02:59:26 <kmc> Agaricus bisporus
02:59:32 <CADD> huh, learn something new every day :)
02:59:46 <CADD> ever go on the micology subreddit?
02:59:53 <Bike> different morphs or what?
03:00:01 <kmc> portabello is the most mature form; the veil has broken and the gills are visible
03:00:12 <Bike> ah life cycles. the silent confuser
03:00:19 <Fiora> kmc: yeah, chili oil is just like.
03:00:20 <kmc> button mushrooms are an immature form where the edge of the cap is still attached to the stem by the veil
03:00:21 <Fiora> I can literally put it in anything
03:00:23 <Fiora> it's basically magic
03:00:26 <kmc> but you can still see the gills when you cut them open
03:00:37 <Fiora> pasta? chili oil. soup? chili oil. stew? chili oil. sauce? chili oil
03:00:48 <CADD> Fiora: sounds good
03:01:01 <Fiora> I might like spiciness
03:01:42 <CADD> i might like eating unborn babies..
03:02:02 <CADD> well actually more like ovary discharges..
03:02:04 <kmc> CADD: if you want to branch out mycologically speaking, you could use oyster mushrooms or shitake
03:02:05 <mnoqy> ??? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??????balut
03:02:08 <kmc> oysters are also the easiest to grow yourself
03:02:11 <CADD> elliott: see my comment above :)
03:02:33 <kmc> shiitake is not too hard to grow either
03:02:37 <Fiora> shiitake are soooo tasty
03:02:51 <CADD> kmc: ooo. that sounds good. we actually had a shiitake block growing in our kitchen for a while :)
03:03:01 <CADD> kmc: yeah, it was amazing
03:03:04 <kmc> CADD: I haven't been on the mycology subreddit
03:03:22 <kmc> my friend is more into mushrooms than me
03:03:25 <CADD> kmc: yeah, its great. and if you are into that kind of thing there is also /r/shroomers
03:03:32 <kmc> she's on the forums and stuff, I just help out here and there
03:03:55 <kmc> we live in norcal so we can just find psychedelic mushrooms growing outside :)
03:04:10 <kmc> there was a new species described from a specimen in Golden Gate Park a few years back :)
03:04:15 <CADD> omg, lucky! i live in socal. its pretty barren
03:04:20 <CADD> kmc: oh yeah, i think i heard about that
03:04:46 <kmc> what are you doing in socal
03:04:59 <CADD> ive hearf norcal has very nice climate. the only place ive been around in norcal is in SF.
03:05:04 <CADD> uh, i was born here. lol
03:05:10 <kmc> that's a reasonable excuse
03:05:21 <CADD> ill probably move up to SF or silicon valley if i get a job up there
03:05:29 <kmc> that's the thing to do
03:05:32 <CADD> which is kinda the plan :)
03:05:59 <kmc> the #esoteric center of gravity is shifting towards there
03:06:11 <CADD> where was it before?
03:06:21 <CADD> im guessing you guys meet up once in a while?
03:06:21 <kmc> atlantic ocean
03:06:33 <CADD> nice, must be great
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03:46:34 <Sgeo> I seem to be switching to foobar2000
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04:12:43 <Sgeo> "(Any Borg in Voyager doesn't count, and fortunately there was never any fifth Trek series... extrapolating from the downward trend in Voyager, any fifth series would have been abominably bad.)"
04:13:57 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8
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05:54:50 <shachaf> kmc: do you ever find yourself checking the ips of people to see if they happen to be in australia
05:57:27 <ion> Good things about Australia: the beer. Bad things about Australia: Hitler.
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06:16:23 <HackEgo> 1018) <Bike> ◊_______________________◊ <elliott> help. <Phantom_Hoover> jesus christ elliott <Phantom_Hoover> apply pressure evenly when jamming eyes open
06:18:05 <olsner> shachaf: I'm not sure but this might help your keeping-eyes-open problem
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06:44:26 <olsner> @tell boily it would be nice if the quotes in the pdf had line breaks between peoples' lines
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08:43:32 <fizzie> "ICS Forum talk: Bounding rationality by computational complexity, Prof. Lance Fortnow"
08:43:36 <fizzie> These are always so fancy.
08:43:56 <fizzie> "This talk will explore a new direction bringing the rich tools of computational complexity into economic models, --"
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09:54:24 <oerjan> i guess that was to be expected.
09:54:37 <fungot> 62 32 226 128 139 226 128 139
09:55:35 <oerjan> > chr <$> [226,128,139]
09:55:51 <oerjan> > var $ chr <$> [226,128,139]
09:56:42 <oerjan> actually i'm wondering how one would make irssi produce a zero-width space.
09:57:34 <fizzie> I would think that it's a character that'd self-insert if you can just figure out how to type it.
09:57:48 <oerjan> yes, i just realized that.
09:58:22 <oerjan> but i have no idea how to type it without copying and pasting, and i don't know how to avoid having a character before it
09:59:03 <fizzie> Many systems have a Unicode hex input feature, but that depends.
09:59:12 <oerjan> hm maybe the delete key will do it from the beginning
10:00:10 <oerjan> i'm afraid getting it through putty and irssi will be hard, alt-<number> is reserved for changing windows.
10:00:27 <oerjan> i'm not even sure if that's what windows uses.
10:01:15 <fizzie> There's a thing for alt-(numpad + followed by hex) feature, but you need to enable a registry key for it. :p
10:01:54 <fizzie> That's "numpad '+'" in case it wasn't clear.
10:02:11 <fizzie> That seems to be correct.
10:02:17 <oerjan> fizzie: ooh, alt-numpad + decimal worked
10:02:47 <oerjan> what actually did was alt <numpad decimal>
10:03:10 <fizzie> Right. The <numpad +> prefix is for the "it's hex instead" thing.
10:06:49 <fizzie> rxvt-unicode lets you enter hex when holding ctrl+shift, and also has a funky infobox at the bottom-left corner showing what you have entered so far, what it looks like, and which font it's coming from.
10:07:53 <fizzie> (You can also poke existing characters on screen with your mouse when holding ctrl-shift and see what they're made of.)
10:09:19 <fizzie> The nasty thing about it is that if you press ctrl-shift and then release it without doing nothing, it goes in "keycap picture insert mode" which is supposed to insert whatever symbol is on the key, which I sometimes accidentally use to insert spurious ␣'s (what comes out of space) or whatnot.
10:09:50 <fizzie> (That was space-enter-del-insert-home-end-pageup-pagedown.)
10:10:45 <oerjan> itym square-square-square-square-square-square-square-square
10:11:00 <olsner> aah, that's the thing that I accidentally trigger all the time without knowing what keys I pressed
10:11:29 <fizzie> olsner: It's somewhat easy to accidentally add left-shift when poking at left-control.
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10:11:54 <fizzie> And there's no obvious way of getting out of it without inserting any character, because just about any key will insert *something*.
10:12:04 <oerjan> moreover, there are combinations i actually use, like ctrl-shift-t
10:12:29 <olsner> fizzie: press ctrl-shift again?
10:12:39 <fizzie> olsner: That inserts "⇧" here.
10:12:43 <oerjan> so if i change my mind in the middle of it... but then i don't have that feature.
10:14:08 <fizzie> Non-special keys like letters do cancel out of keycap picture insert mode, but cause a visual bell (flash).
10:14:59 <olsner> letters don't seem to flash/bell for me ... but maybe I've disabled visual bell too
10:15:22 <oerjan> send in bug report about it, describing the use case of having to avoid attracting velociraptors.
10:15:25 <fizzie> Also the "ISO 14755 mode" infobox does pop out during the regular application of shortcuts like that ctrl-shift-t, which can be irritating.
10:15:35 <oerjan> why did that a disappear.
10:16:31 <fizzie> oerjan: All this talk about special characters has gotten the attention of the character-eating sprites that lurk in dark corners of the internet.
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10:41:59 <oerjan> <CADD> kmc: plants dont have nerves :) <-- THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK
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11:13:23 <oerjan> <ion> Good things about Australia: the beer. Bad things about Australia: Hitler.
11:13:56 <oerjan> cloudy, with a chance of trolling.
11:14:26 <oerjan> mind you, the beer part might be true for all i know.
11:14:46 <oerjan> (i've heard foster's is not drunk by real australians though.)
11:16:41 <oerjan> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fosters is unusually helpful.
11:17:23 <oerjan> maybe aussies hating foster'?s has become a meme itself.
11:18:12 <oerjan> <shachaf> kmc: do you ever find yourself checking the ips of people to see if they happen to be in australia <-- it's the right time now, i think, but no australians to be heard!
11:18:35 <oerjan> maybe mafingre is a collective aussie joke and they're all in on it.
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11:21:42 <oerjan> `run allquotes | grep '[)].*[^] :] <' | paste
11:21:50 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20478
11:23:19 <oerjan> `run quote 191 # wtf is with this
11:23:21 <HackEgo> 191) <Phatom__Hovver> LoTR actually compresses pretty well into a film; the large amount of description becomes unnecessary. <pikh> LotR would compress pretty well into a book; the large amount of description *is* unnecessary.
11:23:53 <ais523> oerjan: I think it's a comment on the relative bandwidths of text and video
11:24:05 <oerjan> i mean, the nick spellings.
11:24:18 <ais523> probably some sort of nickchange chain
11:25:08 <oerjan> `run sed -i '191 s/ </ </' quotes #Fixing this, anyway.
11:25:29 <HackEgo> 191) <Phatom__Hovver> LoTR actually compresses pretty well into a film; the large amount of description becomes unnecessary. <pikh> LotR would compress pretty well into a book; the large amount of description *is* unnecessary.
11:28:52 <ais523> a) I updated the aimake docs; b) I found a less buggy Pod→HTML converter to do the conversion with
11:30:04 * oerjan notes the absense of level 3
11:30:25 <ais523> yeah, I noticed it wasn't there too
11:30:36 <ais523> it does the same thing as 2, I think
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11:37:12 <callforjudgement> I had to try three different servers just now to find one where the packages had a correct signature
11:41:54 <oerjan> `run sed -i '881s/ </ </' quotes
11:42:04 <HackEgo> 881) <Taneb> That's the problem with Tumblr <Taneb> All the porn titles are taken by non-porn people
11:42:27 <oerjan> `run sed -i '887s/ </ </' quotes
11:42:56 <oerjan> `run sed -i '976s/ </ </g' quotes
11:43:51 <oerjan> `run quote 887; quote 976
11:43:53 <HackEgo> 887) <coppro> GreyKnight: for instance, you can form a poset category from a bunch of tiles <GreyKnight> oh, that's why somebody was conflating category theory with bathroom interior design the other day :-D \ 976) <kmc> error: cuttlefish not synced to vblank <fiora> maybe it's a power phase issue <fiora> it's like, a european cuttlefish but it'
11:44:41 <oerjan> well, what that regex found, anyway.
11:48:05 <callforjudgement> it was a makefile problem; the tests didn't depend on the compiler, and produced executables
11:48:15 <callforjudgement> thus it could reuse executables produced by an old version of the compiler
11:48:25 <callforjudgement> this isn't enough to explain why the program didn't work, but is enough to explain the inconsistency
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13:16:13 <boily> good was-koen-enwisdomed morning!
13:17:14 <boily> olsner: you mean, in a quote where there are multiple locutors, to have each of them starting a new line?
13:18:16 <oerjan> `learn Koen lives in the top of the Eiffel Tower.
13:18:29 <oerjan> `run ln -s koen wisdom/koen_
13:20:01 <oerjan> i believe this information is completely according to the accuracy standards set by the the question.
13:21:00 <boily> `learn Koen vit au haut de la Tour Eiffel (coordonnées approximatives).
13:21:35 <oerjan> i suppose i should have expected that.
13:37:02 <boily> pikhq: you have quotes. I'm not ♪ding♪ing you, as you are unknown, and my mom always told me to «jamais faire ♪ding♪ à des étrangers».
13:37:50 <oerjan> did your mom sometimes say comprehensible things, too?
13:41:33 <oerjan> i maybe should clarify/make it worse by pointing out i wasn't referring to the french.
13:41:55 <oerjan> although, there does seem to be an approaching french singularity around here.
13:43:50 <boily> she also repeated the classics, like «mange tes légumes!».
13:44:24 <boily> but it seems the incomprehension comes from this generation. my bro and I are the same, but as he pointed out, «moi plus que lui».
13:46:22 <boily> vegetables are good, except when prepared according to the traditional Québec fashion.
13:47:46 <oerjan> at least the québécois _have_ traditional vegetables.
13:48:20 <boily> cabbage. potatoes. carrots. turnips. and then you boil the fungot out of them, just to be sure there are no nutrients left.
13:48:20 <fungot> boily: if it has to map ( require foo) to the grovel specification contains more information than simply the car the cdr. though there's no time wasted copying it anywhere
13:49:07 <oerjan> ...so let me get this straight, quebéc split _before_ french cuisine evolved?
13:50:26 <boily> ↑ I'm sure it's a Haskell library operator somewhere.
13:50:58 <oerjan> actually no, ' is an alphanumeric character.
13:51:32 <oerjan> > let (*-´+´) = "test" in (*-´+´)
13:53:30 <nortti> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sd601/papers/mov.pdf
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15:02:44 <Bike> https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20130917-a-jewel-at-the-heart-of-quantum-physics/ ok
15:04:09 <boily> “...challenges the notion that space and time are fundamental components of reality”. uhm. if not space and time, then what?
15:04:44 <Roujo> "You can easily do [...] even with a computer"
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15:06:24 <Bike> kmc: https://twitter.com/MitchFraas/status/380311280499703808/photo/1
15:07:17 <boily> yay, probabilities that may not forcibly add up to 1...
15:07:33 <boily> damned physicists and their unrealistic view of the Universe!
15:08:48 <Roujo> "Reality is unrealistic"
15:10:18 <Bike> also they got a comment from andrew hodges somehow, wondering what's going on there
15:11:03 <Bike> http://motls.blogspot.com/2013/09/amplituhedron-wonderful-pr-on-new.html?m=1 some more info
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16:44:03 <kmc> '"Starbucks is not a policy maker. We're not pro- or anti-gun," but believes that guns "should not be part of the Starbucks experience."'
16:44:54 <Bike> mocha latte with tracer
16:45:00 <Gregor> Pun involving "shot"s of coffee.
16:45:34 <Roujo> Counter-pun involving, well, counters
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17:32:28 <Taneb> Guys, these puns have all bean done before
17:32:36 <Taneb> You look like complete mugs
17:34:15 <HackEgo> bash: hahaha: command not found
17:34:32 <boily> I have good memories of the Day of the Fish Puns. but the bar is too high with coffee puns...
17:34:40 <boily> (bar is too... barista... geddit?)
17:35:03 * boily hides in shame in a corner
17:35:58 <Taneb> boily, you're making a mocca-ry of the whole concept
17:38:17 <boily> Taneb: sorry, I couldn't lat-the thread die on the grounds that you're complaining.
17:39:09 <Taneb> You should really filter out all of the puns that aren't that great
17:40:00 <boily> stop roasting me over petty details. you know I speak French, so punninglishing is quite hard.
17:41:25 <Roujo> Something something black
17:41:49 <boily> we had the Fish, we're having the Coffee, did we have other Infamous Sessions?
17:42:10 <boily> Roujo: you're not milking the idea enough.
17:42:37 <Roujo> Like the metro station?
17:44:25 <boily> Roujo: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/IMG_0678.JPG
17:45:25 <Taneb> These puns are getting weaker..
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17:47:04 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Sessions
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17:51:43 <S1> I read the whole chatlog of 2013-08-27 at work today. The most flabbergasting thing was you not recognizing FALSE... I mean duh...
17:52:05 <Bike> it's an old language.
17:52:12 <S1> Pretty awesome all in all.
17:52:19 <boily> S1: you didn't see nothing. that log is an illusion to mislead the CIA.
17:52:39 <S1> If you say so
17:53:02 <Bike> what the heck happened on the 27th, that was like, years ago
17:53:06 <S1> So is the wisdom? -_-
17:54:10 <boily> S1: ah no. the wisdom exists. it's a work in progress, so there are some corners still unaligned with reality, but otherwise it's fine.
17:54:27 <S1> I will read it tomorrow.
17:54:43 <Bike> you really don't have to.
17:55:03 <Bike> let's see, we were talking about... political compass?
17:55:18 <S1> I know I've seen it all
17:55:20 <Bike> the satanic runes guy
17:55:26 <Bike> well, i don't know, i'm looking it up
17:55:36 <Bike> oh, you mean the runes was false, huh.
17:56:13 <Bike> I guess I correctly identified it as stack-based?
17:56:28 <S1> I'm pretty sure that was: 3 3 3 3***1_+,10 3 3**7+,100 16 2_++,3__3__3_3_***19+16+,4_4_*2*,10$*1+10$*4$*1_++10$*1+$$3+$5-10_10_*23+10_6_*2_+7$*,,,,,,,,,
17:57:17 <Bike> i've never seen any false code before. there's no on the wiki.
17:57:37 <Bike> i don't see any.
17:57:44 <Bike> But yeah, it does look like it matcches the command set there.
17:58:28 <S1> Well I haven't programmed false in years but after all I remember this does look like false indeed
17:58:41 <Bike> Yes, it seems to be false.
17:58:55 <Bike> ss, how do all these damn bots work.
17:59:01 <fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot !
17:59:07 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
17:59:12 <Bike> !help languages
17:59:12 <EgoBot> languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh.
17:59:22 <Bike> dag, no false.
18:00:56 <S1> `learn false is a very old stack-based language.
18:01:15 <S1> Is this definition even valid?
18:01:24 <S1> after all WE know
18:02:07 <Bike> what, the definition of false?
18:02:55 <Roujo> Isn't that enough for you guys?
18:03:02 <boily> `learn false is a very old stack-based language. For an authentic experience, run it on an Amiga.
18:03:29 <Roujo> `learn false is just !true. Deal with it.
18:03:30 <S1> Can we add "It's not true"?
18:03:31 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: learn: not found
18:03:52 <HackEgo> false is a very old stack-based language. For an authentic experience, run it on an Amiga.
18:04:59 * boily whistles innocently ♪ “I didn't do nothing, la la la!”
18:05:47 <Roujo> `learn HackEgo is evil.
18:05:49 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: learn: not found
18:06:40 <S1> obviously you're right
18:07:04 <Roujo> `complain `learn is broken
18:07:05 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: complain: not found
18:07:23 <boily> `learn random-word-that-isnt-in-the-wisdom-yet Uhm... was the binary roujobroken?
18:07:24 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
18:07:34 <Roujo> `run echo WHYYYYYY
18:07:35 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: run: not found
18:07:41 <boily> `? random-word-that-isnt-in-the-wisdom-yet
18:07:43 <HackEgo> random-word-that-isnt-in-the-wisdom-yet Uhm... was the binary roujobroken?
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18:08:41 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?: not found
18:08:50 <HackEgo> Roujo is a Java heretic leaning on ungrammatical Haskell. His claim to Canadianness is marred by an unholy portal to China. The treaties suffer, so the cocktail will be postponed. He does not understand shell quoting.
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18:10:04 <S1> How do you change nicks?
18:11:30 <boily> ~echo is my bot still working?
18:11:31 <quintopia> i hate channel that mute you and won't let you change nicks if you're not registered, because every time there's a split or i ping out, my nick changes and i have to part nick and rejoin
18:11:51 <metasepia> Metasepia is a genus of small cuttlefish from the Pacific Ocean.
18:11:58 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/
18:12:01 <Roujo> ~echo Is it working for me?
18:12:02 <metasepia> --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
18:12:58 <boily> Roujo: uhm. I think your chakras are misaligned. or something. the bots all hate you. hth.
18:13:40 <Roujo> Well that's no fungot
18:13:57 <olsner> no fungot is no fungot
18:13:58 <fungot> olsner: it can't work with files on unix that have accidentally been named with spaces in strings between 93 and 98
18:14:03 <boily> fungot: why do you snob Roujo?
18:14:03 <fungot> boily: it does look pretty slick for scheme ( r5rs, or all? :) maybe its a list of symbols
18:14:16 <Roujo> I am a list of symbols, it seems
18:14:19 <metasepia> --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
18:14:57 <boily> good fternoontopia.
18:15:15 <boily> Bike...................
18:15:41 <metasepia> --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
18:15:42 <S1> What does hth mean btw?
18:15:44 * boily hugs his bot “I'll protect you from the vile machines!”
18:15:49 <HackEgo> hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.
18:16:19 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: echo: not found
18:18:32 <HackEgo> I AM THE LORD OF DARKNESS. ALL BOW BEFORE ME!
18:18:49 <HackEgo> I AM HACKEGO! I AM THE VOID! PREPARE... TO DIE!
18:18:52 <Bike> anyway imo that's enough playing with bots everyone shut the fuck up
18:19:31 <boily> ~echo Bike: nah. I won't.
18:19:54 <Roujo> I think HackEgo doesn't like your bot, boily
18:20:19 <Bike> metasepia: you're not a "one", you're a bot. you can still talk
18:20:23 <boily> @tell oerjan your attempt at unverbatimising won't work, you son of a submariner.
18:20:28 <HackEgo> cat: bin/echo: No such file or directory
18:20:56 <Bike> Gregor: hey are the codu logs in your aegis
18:21:23 <Gregor> The codu logs are glogbot, which is mine.
18:21:43 <Bike> i ask because the html logs seem busted
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18:23:47 <olsner> <boily> olsner: you mean, in a quote where there are multiple locutors, to have each of them starting a new line? <-- yes, and probably also if the same locutor locutes severally
18:26:41 <boily> olsner: I am tempted.
18:28:22 <Roujo> boily: Most people are. olsner is a temptere(ss|r)
18:30:02 * boily rolls a seduction check against olsner...
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18:30:31 <boily> I am seduced. olsner, I'll have a demo in a few minutes...
18:30:56 <olsner> and I think you accidentally told me what Locutus (of Borg) means ... it makes sense, I just hadn't considered that it might mean something
18:31:42 <olsner> and failed to match it up with other related words I knew such as loquacity and eloquent
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18:45:37 <boily> olsner: ♪gong♪ take a peek at the PDF ↑. I reformatted a pikhq's quotes. I think the end result is quite nice.
18:46:30 <Bike> wait, am i supposed to apply these serially or concurrently
18:48:26 <boily> serially. I'm not multithreaded.
18:49:15 <boily> I... wouldn't like having biological race conditions...
18:50:00 <ais523> just use a type system that statically prevents them, then
18:50:02 <Bike> if you think the body does one thing at a time you've got another thirty things coming
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18:50:34 <Roujo> Well, we *are* made up of atomic operations working in parallel... >_>
18:50:46 <boily> Bike: my brain abstracts me from all the gruelling details that happen below my cranium, which is fine by me.
18:51:07 <boily> (otoh, I'm a certified pianist. there's something wrong with me...)
18:51:14 <Bike> uhhuh, remember that next time you get hungry
18:51:45 <boily> I'm not hungry. I had phở for lunch.
18:57:16 <boily> olsner: so, what is your opinion on the reformat?
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19:23:32 <boily> hmm... seems olsner disappeared.
19:23:37 <metasepia> --- Throw dice, e.g.: dice 6 4 will throw four regular dice.
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19:23:50 <boily> yup. he disappeared.
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19:26:54 <fizzie> Apparently fungot disappears.
19:26:54 <fungot> fizzie: hm gentoo got that too heh trudy an in fnord we think holland and the netherlands twice, and i know that
19:29:05 <boily> wasn't it Taneb that got his brain electrified one day?
19:29:56 <Roujo> Cool, cool. C'était comment?
19:30:30 <boily> je crois qu'il a plutôt souffert, mais c'était comédique :D
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19:36:37 <Taneb> Je ne suis pas une personne interrogée
19:38:12 <boily> Taneb: ne t'inquiète pas. tout va bien. prend une grande respiration, embrasse l'Univers, fnord, ouvre ton esprit, mange tes légumes, et la vie ira bien.
19:38:46 <Taneb> Oui, c'est la façon dont il est
19:40:05 <boily> qui est ce «il» auquel tu fais référence?
19:40:54 <boily> (meanwhile, the Stupid Vido of the Day is presented by... The Association of Longfused Linguo-Biologists: http://youtu.be/NFR-ADakI-c)
19:41:16 <Bike> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1322240/ The case of the disappearing teaspoons: longitudinal cohort study of the displacement of teaspoons in an Australian research institute
19:42:21 <Taneb> boily, la vie, bien sûr
19:42:45 <boily> Taneb: vu de même, c'est logique.
19:42:57 <boily> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347208002467 Cerithidea decollata: a snail that can foresee the future?
19:44:23 <Taneb> La vie doit être masculin, bon sang
19:44:51 <Bike> boily: sciencedirect working now?
19:45:01 <Bike> Wait, now it's broken for me.
19:45:04 <Bike> What did you do!
19:45:51 <boily> Taneb: c'est féminin, et c'est comme ça. le genre en Français fait aucun sens, mais bon, il faut se compter chanceux; on en a juste deux. pas comme ces germaniques qui en on trois.
19:46:07 <boily> Bike: still borked on my side. I must be contagious.
19:46:22 <Bike> eh no big deal, it's an elsevier journal anywho
19:46:32 <Bike> collection of*
19:46:42 <Taneb> Je parle à peine le français, je suis juste en utilisant Google Translate, en passant
19:47:27 <Roujo> Google Translate is best e
19:47:39 <boily> Taneb: I know. I'm testing the limits of feeding Québec French into Google Translate :p
19:48:11 <Taneb> How accurate is the Google Translate French I've been spewing out?
19:49:31 <boily> perfectly understandable. it's obvious it's been machine translated, but the structure is generally correct.
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19:53:41 <Taneb> Google-translating your French titbits into English sometimes seems a bit weird
19:53:51 <Taneb> "...unlike German, who has three"
19:54:17 <Taneb> I suppose that's because English sneakily has three genders, just we almost always use the one that French doesn't have
19:57:26 <boily> «il faut se compter chanceux» → “we are lucky”
19:57:48 <Bike> boily: i wonder why they think ladening snails will kill their path integration
19:57:51 <boily> «pas comme ces germaniques qui en on trois» → “not like those Germans who have three”
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19:59:26 <Roujo> Der Männ, Die Frau, Das Kind
19:59:34 <Roujo> Plural? You're a woman!
20:00:49 <olsner> boily: je pense que le nouveau format des citations est bonne, je l'approuve
20:01:18 <olsner> (that was google translate but except for spelling and grammar it's just like the wild guess I started with)
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20:01:30 <Roujo> That was pretty good
20:01:42 <Roujo> The bonne->bon thing was the only thing that was off =)
20:02:04 <nooodl> boily: bien sûr que google translate n'en comprenne rien. il faut écrire "ont", pas "on"!
20:02:26 <boily> olsner: ça regarde bien de mon bord aussi. ça va juste me prendre une fungotload de temps à reformatter le tout...
20:02:26 <fungot> boily: anyway it is hard trying to learn new paradigms? if so, the stuff in srfi-13.
20:02:50 <boily> nooodl: comment ça, «ont»???
20:02:57 <nooodl> (je ne suis pas très sûr que je dois employer le subjonctif, là. mais ça a l'air "cool")
20:03:11 <boily> (un subjonctif bien placé, ça fait chic :D)
20:03:33 <nooodl> (ah oui! je suis en train d'oublier mes «guillemets»)
20:03:46 <boily> mais en effet, la bonne conjugaison serait «n'y comprend rien». c'est plus ennuyeux, mais que veux-tu.
20:03:56 <boily> oh. typo de ma part. désolé!
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20:06:16 <boily> Roujo: eille :P m'a te garocher dans un troupeau de caribous si ça continue de même!
20:06:29 <HackEgo> bash: caribou: command not found
20:07:00 <Bike> `run cadaver run
20:07:01 <HackEgo> bash: cadaver: command not found
20:07:13 <nooodl> les dispositions des touches françaises ont-elles des touches pour '«' et '»', ou comment ça marche?
20:07:17 <HackEgo> ♪♪ Freedom run away... ♪♪
20:07:21 <olsner> boily: you've already reformatted the whole thing a fungotload times, so I should ... regard your board?
20:07:22 <fungot> olsner: here was my earlier example. saying " i wanted to marry scheme and perl are, they are
20:07:22 <Roujo> nooodl: Pas pour moi. =P
20:07:33 <Roujo> nooodl: boily est juste fancy comme ça =P
20:08:05 <boily> nooodl: AltCar-z et AltCat-x pour aller chercher les guillemets.
20:09:04 <boily> olsner: translation: “it also looks swell on my side. it's just going to take me a fungotload of my time to reformat that thing.”
20:09:04 <fungot> boily: maybe i'll eat another one soon. it grows on you. i think if you really want
20:09:10 <Roujo> Then again, j'utilise le layout "Français (Canada)"
20:09:30 <boily> fungot: I am not edible.
20:09:30 <fungot> boily: i think i got the idea to anyone but possibly moonfish, so no comma should be inserted. but then again one could just load it up :)
20:10:25 <Roujo> I keep trying to parse what he says here - I never think to check who actually said it first
20:10:35 <boily> fungot: fyi, I'm of the homo sapiens sapiens species, not any weird sparkly fish, and if I see you approaching me with a comma in whatever hand-like appendage you have, you're gonna receive the *SMACK* of your life, you perv.
20:10:35 <fungot> boily: not saying that optional arguments are hard.
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20:11:02 <boily> fungot: that argument is not optional. don't try to flee from it, you silicon fiend.
20:11:03 <fungot> boily: that is news, it reminds me of the ms source license, except that it never occured to me about stupid programming languages :)
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20:11:49 <boily> fungot: acting smug while changing the subject and the license will get you nowhere, mister. I have ways to make your life miserable, so watch yourself.
20:15:06 <olsner> there's way too much french here nowadays, I think we need more finns
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20:15:42 <boily> Roujo: regäärde! möi aussi je parle en finnöis! :p
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20:17:55 <boily> olsner: jotain jotain perkele jotain...
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20:27:41 <fizzie> boily: Sounds very authentic.
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20:29:38 <Roujo> @tell oerjan helloerjan
20:30:59 <boily> oerjan: I *know* I @told you something, but what was it again?
20:31:13 <boily> Frooxius: who are you?
20:31:36 <HackEgo> Frooxius: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
20:32:09 <boily> Roujo: he appears in the Great Old Small Numbered Quotes.
20:32:16 <oerjan> boily: something about submarines
20:33:11 <oerjan> although that may not have been verbatim
20:33:38 <boily> oerjan: no, it is not.
20:34:09 <boily> btw, do you have a github account that I can link to the repo?
20:34:48 <HackEgo> I AM THE LORD OF DARKNESS. ALL BOW BEFORE ME!
20:35:11 <HackEgo> /bin/cat: bin/echo: No such file or directory
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20:35:32 <HackEgo> 96 101 99 104 111 32 87 101 108 108 32 99 114 97 112
20:35:45 <boily> oerjan: there was... uhm... eh... we *slightly* abused the bots today. a little.
20:35:57 <Roujo> `echo Yeah, a tiny bit
20:35:59 <HackEgo> I AM HACKEGO! I AM THE VOID! PREPARE... TO DIE!
20:36:43 <Roujo> What does `ord do?
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20:37:06 <fizzie> ^ord shows bytes instead
20:37:07 <fungot> 115 104 111 119 115 32 98 121 116 101 115 32 105 110 115 116 101 97 100
20:37:26 <oerjan> Roujo: i assumed you had redefined the echo command.
20:37:33 <Roujo> oerjan: You guessed wrong ^^
20:37:44 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
20:38:57 <Roujo> `echo See, everything is fine
20:38:59 <HackEgo> I AM THE LORD OF DARKNESS. ALL BOW BEFORE ME!
20:39:00 <oerjan> `echo Yeah, a tiny bit
20:39:03 <boily> `echo il se passe des choooooooses mystérieeeeeuses ici.
20:39:04 <HackEgo> il se passe des choooooooses mystérieeeeeuses ici.
20:39:17 <boily> `echo Roujo is a botbreaker.
20:40:26 <fizzie> `run echo bin/*echo* | hexdump -C
20:40:27 <HackEgo> 00000000 62 69 6e 2f 02 02 65 63 68 6f 20 62 69 6e 2f 16 |bin/..echo bin/.| \ 00000010 16 65 63 68 6f 0a |.echo.| \ 00000016
20:41:04 <Roujo> There's a nice 02 02 right there =P
20:41:35 <oerjan> Roujo: the clever part is where that doesn't get copied when i paste from putty into `ord :)
20:41:52 <Roujo> Most IRC clients don't show control codes =P
20:41:57 <Roujo> Since they're, well, control codes
20:42:15 <Roujo> Putting them twice cancels it
20:42:49 <Roujo> `echo And using them here makes it transparent to most ^^
20:42:53 <HackEgo> I AM HACKEGO! I AM THE VOID! PREPARE... TO DIE!
20:43:14 <Roujo> I'll find something more clever for next time =P
20:43:49 <boily> `echo it's subtle...
20:43:51 <HackEgo> I AM HACKEGO! I AM THE VOID! PREPARE... TO DIE!
20:44:09 <boily> Vorpal: how's the child?
20:45:13 <boily> mtve: kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, fnord, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty...
20:45:28 <oerjan> Roujo: also, this all would have been revealed immediately if zzo38 were here
20:46:06 <Roujo> Eir client shows control codes?
20:46:34 <oerjan> Roujo: well, the one he made himself.
20:46:49 <boily> fizzie: according to the quotes, he was pregnant at one time.
20:47:15 <boily> Roujo: s/Eir/Hir/. use real gender neutral pronouns. you're triggering me. check your privileges!
20:47:29 <oerjan> boily: now don't give us all a shock, i'm having trouble enough adjusting to fizzie being married.
20:47:38 <Roujo> boily: s/boily/pouti/g HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES
20:47:47 <fizzie> oerjan: Still? It's not exactly a new thing, you know.
20:48:02 <oerjan> fizzie: it's so out of character (for anyone here)
20:48:34 <boily> Roujo: let's duel! guerre des pouces!
20:48:41 <fizzie> We had a ten year anniversary-of-first-meeting day the other day, incidentally. That there is a decade right there.
20:50:02 <boily> fizzie met a girl 10 years ago. that's as many as one ten! and this is good!
20:50:23 <Roujo> Holy userboxes batman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zzo38
20:50:43 <Roujo> fizzie: I just got that with my SO ^^
20:51:12 <fizzie> "This user does not trust electronic voting machines" there's a box for every purpose.
20:51:21 <kmc> fizzie: congrats
20:51:30 <boily> @tell zzo38 ooooooooooow.
20:52:57 <Roujo> "This place is reserved for a UserBox."
20:53:05 <Roujo> "Ceci n'est pas une boîte utilisateur."
20:53:18 <kmc> I guess my girlfriend and I first met about 8 years ago, but we didn't pay much attention to each other until 4 years ago or so
20:53:41 <boily> `quote system is fairly sane
20:53:42 <oerjan> boily: i'm sorry, don't try to mess with proud Agoran gender neutral tradition, it will not End Well.
20:53:42 <HackEgo> 358) <Sgeo_> "system is fairly sane <Sgeo_> <elliott> imagine if the roomba was called the Robotic Magic Vacuum <Sgeo_> <elliott> would you object to that being trademarked <Sgeo_> <monqy> I mean <Sgeo_> <monqy> phrase trade" <Sgeo_> oops
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20:54:19 <boily> should I include quote #358 in elliott's list, or just put it under Sgeo_'s?
20:54:25 <fizzie> Phantom_Hoover: That's more of a criticism for an oerjan, is it not?
20:54:35 <boily> oerjan: I'll pronounify as I see fit.
20:54:47 <boily> fizzie: oerjan is a unit of measurement?
20:55:01 <fizzie> boily: What else would you measure oerjan with?
20:55:03 <Roujo> boily: Then you will die
20:55:18 <kmc> also words are annoying... "girlfriend" sounds too casual but "significant other" is too long and formal; "partner" is ambiguous plus people will think she's a dude
20:55:28 <Roujo> "This user needs more userboxes. MORE, I tell you, more!!! Muhahaha!"
20:55:42 <kmc> how about POSSLQ
20:55:50 <fizzie> Roujo: That always makes me think of Stack Overflow, which probably isn't the best connotation to have.
20:56:04 <Roujo> fizzie: Depends on your SO's reputation, I'd guess
20:56:18 <metasepia> POSSLQ is an abbreviation (or acronym) for "Persons of Opposite Sex Sharing Living Quarters," a term coined in the late 1970s by the United States Census Bureau as part of an effort to more accurately gauge the prevalence of cohabitation in American households.
20:56:54 <boily> and there I was thinking “Q” meant Québec, as in any other acronym you see here...
20:57:57 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: i'm permanently eight years old, or so my dad seems to think
20:58:35 <kmc> also she is in this channel sometimes
20:58:36 <boily> Roujo: speaking of the Language Police, it's been a while since we heard of them in the news, eh?
20:58:47 <boily> kmc: who is she, so I can PDF her?
20:59:27 <kmc> her nick is douglass
20:59:27 <oerjan> kmc: what i remember about POSSLQ is that someone once made a song "Will you be my POSSLQ?"
20:59:30 <kmc> she hasn't said much...
21:00:14 <boily> @tell douglass hi! do you consent to be PDFed?
21:00:37 * Roujo gazes into the distance
21:02:54 <oerjan> kmc: also wikipedia's article on that seems to indicate i remember wrong. i'll put it due to old age and senility.
21:03:48 <oerjan> wait, i don't think either of those are right. argh.
21:04:07 <Fiora> kmc: "girlfriend" is also an overloaded term ("going out with my girl friends / my girlfriend")
21:04:48 <oerjan> i thought the space was semantic in that one
21:04:50 <kmc> not when guys say it though
21:04:56 <elliott> I think it's generally unambiguous if you're male?
21:05:08 <boily> elliott: “my shrinkwrapped.” I know I shouldn't be laughing at that, but I can't stop.
21:05:20 <Taneb> elliott, not everyone with a girlfriend is male, though
21:05:46 <Fiora> yeah, the ambiguity is really only for female speakers ^^;
21:12:44 <oerjan> <Bike> http://motls.blogspot.com/2013/09/amplituhedron-wonderful-pr-on-new.html?m=1 some more info
21:12:59 <kmc> Phantom_Hoover: haha
21:13:00 <oerjan> be careful linking to motl.
21:13:37 <oerjan> he's like the ulrich drepper of physics, or something.
21:14:03 <kmc> what's engineer syndrome
21:14:38 <Phantom_Hoover> where someone with some kind of technical expertise assumes it makes them an expert in everything
21:14:55 <kmc> i would call it "programmer syndrome" but i'm a self-hating programmer so
21:15:04 <boily> I am an expert in everything.
21:15:06 <kmc> "soylent syndrome"
21:15:08 <Phantom_Hoover> i call it engineer syndrome because everybody hates engineers
21:15:28 <boily> engineers are great! long live engineers!
21:17:11 <Fiora> there seems to be like a general thing where some people when they see some other group of people doing something superficially dumb they will assume those people are dumb, rather than their knowledge incomplete (like "all these scientists are wrong")
21:17:26 <Fiora> (instead of "I don't understand fully what these scientists are doing")
21:18:02 <kmc> "if they're so smart why aren't they programmers instead"
21:18:25 <Fiora> but like not really limited to engineers or programmers, I've seen it in all kinds of people I guess
21:18:36 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc have you considered moving to a profession where you won't hate all your colleagues and yourself
21:18:43 <kmc> it wouldn't last
21:18:59 <kmc> I don't actually hate my colleagues and myself, though! I mostly avoid the bad parts of the industry
21:19:17 <kmc> I work on open source at a kinda-non-profit with a bunch of amazingly smart and humble people
21:20:27 <kmc> it should be clear that most of the reason I complain about programmers being shitty is some kind of projection or credible social committment to being better myself
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21:44:33 <oerjan> <boily> Roujo: regäärde! möi aussi je parle en finnöis! :p <-- i'm sörry, but be möre careful with vöwel härmöny when speäking finnish
21:45:25 <oerjan> oh wait, maybe that was right
21:47:27 <fizzie> It seems okay. It doesn't have any of aou with any of äöy.
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21:50:40 <fizzie> Fun fact: "möi" is the third-person singular indicative past tens of "to sell" ("myydä").
21:51:25 <oerjan> that doesn't sound very agglutinating.
21:51:54 <fizzie> Well, a dialectal variation. "myi" would be the variant considered official, I think.
21:52:35 <fizzie> It's not always just prefixes, sometimes there's quite a lot of stupid inflection.
21:53:12 <kmc> agglutin-free diet
21:54:25 <HackEgo> polvimmissämme kometrissa parauhoittöksähtämä epämme sykoltamastansa tutkimiltä ruhjovimpiassa tytinne ilma-anostani tunktontuvakielemmilla lauluvaksenne kalisempää maltavan nyrpeekseli altasisäkuviksi siutuviannetina juhlasi ahersyttämänne murtuimpinemalta vapainokirichteyksi
21:55:19 <kmc> `words --drunk --finnish 20
21:55:47 <oerjan> clearly something missing there
21:55:59 <olsner> the --drunk option is meaningless with --finnish since it can't be disabled anyway
21:56:06 <oerjan> also what's that c doing in the last word
21:56:27 <oerjan> olsner: sure it can, finns can be either drunk or tee-totallers.
21:56:30 <fizzie> Heh, "altasisäkuviksi" is a compound word, arguably somewhat meaningless but not completely outlandish; the individual components together would mean something like "from below to pictures taken inside".
21:56:43 <fizzie> (And "juhlasi" is "your party", but that's pretty lame.)
21:56:54 <olsner> maltavan doesn't mean anything?
21:57:48 <fizzie> Sadly, not really. If it started with v instead of m, then it would.
21:58:41 <oerjan> also i repeat, what's that c doing in vapainokirichteyksi
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21:58:46 <fizzie> oerjan: Now that you've said that, it makes me wonder if "valtava" (huge, gigantic) and "valtio" (country, state) have some common etymology.
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21:59:08 <fizzie> oerjan: The /usr/share/dict files that were used to construct those have some loan words, I think.
22:00:11 <fizzie> Including "Emacs", it seems.
22:00:51 <fizzie> Also 43 inflections of "Dirichlet".
22:01:25 <fizzie> And the word "Discworldistakin" ("also from Discworld") but no other forms.
22:01:42 <fizzie> I wonder if these have been automatically constructed from some text.
22:03:10 <fizzie> http://sprunge.us/iBDi well that's quite messy.
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22:04:42 <fizzie> "This dictionary recognizes over 6 million words and word forms. Ispell requires about 19 megabytes of memory when using this dictionary."
22:05:05 <fizzie> It's not the best spell checker for Finnish.
22:05:08 <HackEgo> slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
22:07:13 <olsner> I think it's a fictional mammal
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22:07:26 <olsner> or "big furry creature"
22:08:11 <nooodl> fizzie: i like how it includes "200 most common words"
22:08:25 <Roujo> http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ca/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
22:08:50 <nooodl> like how were any of those not already in the other sources
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22:11:32 <olsner> it seems the other sources where not very good
22:12:47 <fizzie> The other sources do not sound terribly good.
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22:16:33 <fizzie> Still, the Institute for the Languages of Finland has a 94110-word "general-purpose common modern Finnish words" wordlist licensed under LGPL, EUPL and CC-BY, wonder why they didn't use e.g. that. (Though very possibly it wasn't available back then.)
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22:31:26 <Koen> your dutch is impressive
22:33:19 <fizzie> Fun fact 2: the Europarl English-Finnish parallel corpus has 31852489 Finnish words made out of 675089 unique forms, but 47011793 (approx. 1.48x) English words made out of only 106841 (approx. 0.16x) unique forms.
22:35:02 <fizzie> Fun fact 3: the fourth most common Finnish word is "Euroopan" (Europe's).
22:35:10 <fizzie> (I think this corpus might have a kind of a bias.)
22:36:57 <fizzie> 50 most common English words: http://sprunge.us/OXVM
22:37:03 <fizzie> fungot: Can you speak like that?
22:37:04 <fungot> fizzie: mr president, as usual, it seeks to bring prices down and raises standards of living in latin america, especially the most defenceless and disadvantaged, a few words about how this disease came about and how it is done in burma, and are in fact being reversed. on the other hand, where income tax is only 10% of the population, thereby fulfilling its commitment to peace, to economic and social operators at local level. th
22:37:32 <fizzie> fungot: You forgot the "h" in the terminating "hth" hth
22:37:33 <fungot> fizzie: mr president, commissioner, ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of the socialist group have a reservation. surely we do not actually have anything against a fair tax burden, but the only issue on which the entire arab world with the exception of actions directly benefiting the people.
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22:40:12 <oerjan> did fungot just not calculate line length properly there?
22:40:13 <fungot> oerjan: mr president, the next mca will come along while in the opinion of the members of the committee responsible, which may mean that responsibilities become more confused in a europe which does not violate multilateral frameworks, in jointly protecting our interests and in our actions, a proposal, so we are not in a position to deliver its opinion.
22:40:31 <fizzie> oerjan: It doesn't really calculate line lengths at all.
22:40:38 <Koen> did fungot swap personalities with someone?
22:40:39 <fungot> Koen: mr president, president chirac also expressed the hope that it is not linked to production, but we have a promise on page 12, last line, item 21, calls for a continuation of the supply structure of the proposed amendments would simply duplicate or encroach on these documents.
22:41:05 <oerjan> fizzie: oh, so it's just luck that it doesn't get cut off in the middle of a word more often?
22:41:18 <Koen> he's talking to me about chirac
22:41:18 <Koen> he was talking with fizzie about the entire arab world
22:41:24 <Koen> a logical deduction is that fizzie is arab
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22:41:42 <oerjan> fungot: is Koen insane?
22:41:44 <fungot> oerjan: that would be in our midst. the only people who seem to be confusing anti-tank and anti-personnel mines is an enormous difference between degrees of enrichment of uranium has been a reality for the time and effort in preparing for these reforms are. the rapporteur himself says, this is not premature because the questions will be given priority over, for example, a political power game. we are engaged in a democratic cou
22:41:46 <Koen> and oerjan is european apparently
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22:42:24 <Koen> so far all evidences support my thesis oerjan
22:42:26 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
22:43:13 <Koen> shachaf: the current style is obviously not nethack, but I can't say anything about the others
22:43:16 <fizzie> oerjan: Pretty much. Though there rules -- assuming no bugs -- make the stopping probability 1 after a 100 words. But that line that got cut off is just 74 words; politicians are so verbose.
22:44:01 <shachaf> fungot: don't you mr president me
22:44:01 <fungot> shachaf: president of the european union would generate ten million jobs created between 1997 and 1999, we want to do something about this.
22:44:17 <fizzie> Yeah, we'd better do something about all those jobs.
22:44:37 <shachaf> fungot: what are we going to do about all those jobs
22:44:38 <fungot> shachaf: mr president, the conditions for them. we parliamentarians have been fnord on behalf of the european monetary institute and the problem of the cost of currency exchanges. the commission's humanitarian aid gets through to them; the rest is up for discussion within the middle east.
22:46:24 <Koen> the moon is full
22:47:05 <oerjan> Koen: i mean the stars of ^style
22:47:51 <fizzie> fungot: YOU are the star.
22:47:52 <fungot> fizzie: mr president, please allow me, by way of clarification, the joint inspection structure, eur 100 000 to create four regional advisory councils. now to play that role in the advent of the information channels between olaf, the committee on legal affairs and the internal market, which will be extremely interested in as well the continuing lack of democratic debate and to this end.
22:48:06 <Koen> I guess that is consistent
22:48:39 <fizzie> fungot: I'm not giving you a hundred thou for some advisory councils, just forget about it.
22:48:39 <fungot> fizzie: mr president, i would accept that 10 of all the member states and the candidate countries have had the political courage to debate it. we extended candidacy to turkey.
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23:53:18 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: mr president, i should like to congratulate mr scapagnini in his absence i am happy to engage in a process of peace and the respect of their own are entitled to bring this proposal to modify the current system in order to have any influence on those aspects where there is a small step.