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00:28:29 <kmc> 17:27 < indirect> is it normal to get "pthread_mutex_lock(&_mutex) failed in src/rt/sync/lock_and_signal.cpp at line 79, result = 22 (Invalid argument)" every other time you run rust --version ?
00:28:41 <kmc> the answer appears to be "yes"
00:29:23 <kmc> i actually get anywhere between 0 and 3 copies of that error message when i run it
00:32:33 <ais523> I wonder what the distribution is, and whether it'd make a decent RNG
00:32:53 <ais523> also, why would a --version need a mutex anyway?
00:33:06 <ais523> (theory: it doesn't need one, but the code is trying to create one regardless, that's why it's failing)
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00:36:45 <kmc> yeah beats me, probably the RTS is to blame and not the --version code itself
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01:08:57 <ais523> err, to lock one regardless
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01:39:42 <Sgeo> "Mencius Moldbug’s Urbit system appears to be public!"
01:40:36 <Sgeo> http://www.urbit.org/
01:42:18 <Sgeo> "Nock has no “native methods” or foreign-function interface. Nor is it ever extended, embellished, forked, improved or advanced."
01:42:33 <Sgeo> Wasn't that tried with JSON? With less than positive results?
01:42:47 <Sgeo> Or, well, at least one negative result
01:46:35 <Sgeo> "Knowing Pascal made it harder, not easier, to learn C. Knowing Haskell or Lisp makes it harder to learn Hoon. Indeed, knowing either would have made it impossible for me to write Hoon."
01:48:55 <Bike> wasn't nock the psycho martian one
01:49:03 <Bike> (wasn't moldbug the psycho)
01:50:46 <Sgeo> " An atom is any natural number. "
01:50:51 <Sgeo> And it's already ambiguous
01:52:28 <Bike> natural number more like terribilural number
01:55:02 <Sgeo> "We should note that in Nock and Hoon, 0 (pronounced “yes”) is true, and 1 (“no”) is false. Why? It’s fresh, it’s different, it’s new. And it’s annoying. And it keeps you on your toes. And it’s also just intuitively right."
01:56:38 <Bike> so why are you reading this, and more importantly, having me personally read it
01:57:07 <Sgeo> Could be interesting
02:00:39 <kmc> moldbug invented a programming language??
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02:01:52 <Sgeo> I wish I could sleep tonight
02:01:58 <Sgeo> I have a deploy to do
02:02:20 <ais523> this sounds like an esolang, at least
02:02:26 <ais523> it might not be a good esolang, though
02:03:12 <Bike> kmc: the world is vast and mysterious.
02:07:52 <ais523> I've never heard of Moldbug, though; should I?
02:08:02 <Bike> no he's just an internet shithead
02:08:16 * oerjan realizes that any dependently typed version of rust should be called zeerust.
02:09:07 <kmc> oerjan: what's that
02:09:21 <ais523> oerjan: apparently my supervisor hired an expert on dependent typing in response to me giving them control of the compiler I'd been writing
02:09:29 <oerjan> kmc: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Zeerust
02:09:31 <Bike> zeerust is the jetsons
02:09:50 <ais523> also, did you just post a TV Tropes link?
02:10:23 <oerjan> ais523: hey _someone_ has to balance out your lawful goodness here
02:10:39 <ais523> is that meant to balance out the good, or the lawfu?
02:11:54 <HackEgo> slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
02:11:56 <oerjan> ais523: also, does that mean he needed a dependent typing expert to understand anything of what you did?
02:12:07 <kmc> oerjan: ah nice
02:12:36 <ais523> oerjan: no, or well, I doubt it
02:12:46 <ais523> given that it wasn't dependently typed
02:13:02 <oerjan> darn you missed an opportunity there.
02:13:03 <HackEgo> Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck.
02:13:11 <ais523> oerjan: it /should/ be dependently typed, really
02:13:25 <ais523> so it's a natural direction to go in
02:13:39 <HackEgo> olist 920: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
02:14:13 <ais523> bleh, names would be more useful than numbers, the numbers aren't memorable
02:14:26 <ais523> but yeah, that one was up like two days ago
02:14:39 <ais523> the only reason 919 was so slow is that it must have been a pain to draw
02:15:01 <oerjan> yeah but HackEgo was down, also i just checked.
02:16:13 <oerjan> i thought burlew had some kind of disease, but he's been picking up lately.
02:16:51 <oerjan> although there was something about a thumb accident. but i thought there was something else too.
02:16:53 <ais523> not a disease, it was an injury
02:17:01 <ais523> but yeah, might have been something else too
02:17:17 <ais523> he's been at his old pace (except with a random update schedule) recently
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02:25:50 <Sgeo> There was an injury recently, and a long time chronic disease
02:28:22 <mnoqy> ??long time chronic??
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03:45:45 <pikhq> As opposed to long time acute, of course.
03:48:05 <kmc> today is Celebrate Bisexuality Day apparently
03:50:11 <ais523> there are more than 366 goals to assign days to, I think
03:50:23 <ais523> so every day has quite a high chance of being represented
03:50:35 <ais523> (the chance of a clash would be very large even with only 30 or so, if they're picked randomly)
03:52:25 <kmc> same to you
03:52:35 <kmc> ais523: yep
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05:26:41 <Fiora> it was alreayd posted
05:26:52 <Bike> gotta work on your slist game
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07:33:33 <Taneb> `slist Dave and John's Hot Mom
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12:30:33 <oerjan> @ask ais523 but which day is Birth Paradox Day?
12:33:03 * oerjan thinks d&d rules guy in mezzacotta is being particularly weird today.
12:33:49 <oerjan> i guess the moby dick guy isn't much saner.
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12:34:43 <nortti> hi shikhin, you seem familiar
12:34:59 <shikhin> Oh, interesting. I didn't even know such a place existed, I was just trying out random channels.
12:35:02 <HackEgo> shikhin: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
12:37:02 <Phantom_Hoover> do you think relcome presents a misleading image of us
12:37:34 <shikhin> Ah, Taneb, heard a lot about you.
12:38:31 <oerjan> shikhin: do you happen to be from hexham and/or helsinki
12:38:40 <shikhin> < Taneb> Gordon Moore's expected lifespan doubles every 18 months
12:38:52 <shikhin> oerjan: No, but I know people from around (not exactly there, though).
12:39:07 <Taneb> oerjan, he sounds like he's from wherever boily and Roujo are from
12:39:32 <oerjan> should we start including montreal in the the question
12:39:44 <shikhin> Let's see you guys guess my ethnicity.
12:40:27 <oerjan> shikhin: that is highly irregular for this channel. and boily will be so displeased.
12:40:46 <shikhin> I'm irregular, or guessing ethnicity?
12:41:06 <Phantom_Hoover> for god's sake is another esolang cluster forming in israel now
12:41:49 <oerjan> you are irregular. you are supposed to give your approximate coordinates for science purposes. but boily takes care of that.
12:42:01 <oerjan> also, Taneb is the most irregular here.
12:42:09 <shikhin> oerjan: I'm somewhere on Earth, if I'm judging my surroundings correctly.
12:42:18 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: i was trying not to scare em away at once
12:42:25 <Phantom_Hoover> shikhin, so that averages out to somewhere around the core right
12:42:36 <shikhin> Phantom_Hoover: *on*, not *in*.
12:42:42 <oerjan> Taneb: well you're from irregular webcomic
12:42:55 <Taneb> I probably ought to go back there at some point
12:42:56 <coppro> Phantom_Hoover: Israel is already a giant cluster
12:43:21 <shikhin> Phantom_Hoover: I suppose; it's rather hot in here.
12:43:28 <oerjan> Taneb: did you know dmm's wikipedia page was just deleted
12:43:50 <Phantom_Hoover> although if you weight the average by population density it's probably a lot closer to asia
12:43:55 <oerjan> and iwc itself was up for discussion last i checked
12:44:03 <shikhin> Phantom_Hoover: Going on the right track, you are.
12:45:46 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: hey the cluster may have started in israel, and metastasized with shachaf
12:45:56 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, sure DMM wrote a bunch of RPG books and notable esolangs, doesn't that qualify for notable?
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12:47:51 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: all mentions were in "unreliable" or primary sources something something
12:48:44 <oerjan> david morgan-mar, author of irregular webcomic and other stuff
12:49:13 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, yes I do
12:49:52 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: i suspect those didn't help any on wikipedia.
12:51:38 <oerjan> also dmm himself dropped by just to say he trusted them to make a fair decision.
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12:53:50 <oerjan> Taneb: oh also yesterday's http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=1588 made me look at http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/?comic=121 again and realize how brilliant that one was
12:54:26 <oerjan> (i assume you're following darths and droids?)
12:55:13 <oerjan> also, this is like a two-way inception.
12:56:50 <Taneb> Right now, I'm only following IWC and D&D
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13:06:41 <HackEgo> NiNiO: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.)
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13:08:36 <ninio> now I'm traveling in europe, it's 14.08pm
13:08:55 <ninio> What time is there?
13:09:23 <oerjan> ninio: you don't happen to be in hexham, uk at the moment?
13:10:13 <oerjan> (we have to hit one again sooner or later, right?)
13:11:03 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: yes i calculated, although if the offset from mine had been the other way i'd of course have asked helsinki.
13:11:35 <Phantom_Hoover> i may have momentarily been to hexham a few times, actually
13:11:45 <boily> hey, another guy who uses 24h time with pm!
13:12:15 <boily> I'm not the only one!
13:12:22 <oerjan> boily: btw shikhin is new and is being all mysterious about his whereabouts
13:12:54 <nortti> shikhin lives in █████
13:13:04 <oerjan> he's not in hexham, though, although disturbingly he knows who Taneb is.
13:13:05 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, I don't think you have, if this is the trains
13:13:13 <boily> oerjan: thanks a lot for providing me with vict^H^H^H^Hpeople to whom I can ask the The Question!
13:13:28 <Taneb> Unless you frequently travel Carlisle <-> Newcastle
13:14:24 <boily> ninio: who are you? d'où viens-tu? ¿qué es un busón? what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh?
13:14:29 <oerjan> nortti: wtf is that an actual [REDACTED] character
13:14:43 <nortti> no, unicide full block
13:14:52 <boily> oerjan: you don't have clearance to understand nortti.
13:15:20 <boily> shikhin: bon matin! where are you from? whate are your approximate coördinates and body weigh?
13:15:35 <boily> (aaaaaah, the incredible feeling of asking the The Question...)
13:15:57 <boily> ninio: yes. the The Question.
13:16:01 <oerjan> nortti: the google hits all seem to use it for redaction though. also, is unicide what you want to do after being frustrated by unicode too many times?
13:16:25 <boily> (lesson of the day: don't try to drink yesterday's maté. bletch.)
13:16:48 <oerjan> boily: that applies also to coffee
13:17:35 <boily> oerjan: I don't drink coffee at work anymore. that thing they make is becoming more and more toxic.
13:17:58 <ninio> it depends on the quality, quantity
13:18:19 <boily> and on the cleanliness of the machine, and drinkability of water.
13:18:38 * boily shudders at the memories... “You weren't there, man! You can't understand!”
13:18:41 <nortti> oerjan: 16:18 <@sortiecat> Unicide is when people can't read your suicide note because they lack the proper font.
13:19:11 <boily> `learn Unicide is when people can't read your suicide note because they lack the proper font.
13:20:26 <oerjan> boily: btw i don't think ninio was saying he was in london _now_ in case that wasn't clear.
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13:20:53 <oerjan> he's in europe, in the same timezone, though, which afair leaves ireland and portugal.
13:21:11 <boily> oerjan: I know. he still haven't answered.
13:21:39 <ninio> sorry boys I'm too slow.
13:21:40 * boily stares at ninio with the kind of manic grin you only find on used car salesmen
13:22:11 <oerjan> boily: and rabid dogs?
13:22:36 <boily> oerjan: I'm not frothing yet, even if that sip of maté still tastes quite bad.
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13:23:31 <ninio> Oh ok, Sorry I did not want to disturb anyone . best wishes.
13:25:21 <oerjan> ninio: you're not disturbing, it's not like much was happening at the moment.
13:26:05 <oerjan> oh his ip's in portugal.
13:27:31 <Phantom_Hoover> you know i think this hexinky/question stuff has run its course
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13:28:17 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: you know i think you thought that from when it started.
13:28:29 <boily> another one disappeared :(
13:29:15 <Phantom_Hoover> it's just now all it seems to accomplish is creeping noobs out with no real humour behind it
13:30:38 <boily> our PR has become quite bad. we need to revamp it.
13:31:12 <boily> maybe entice forthcoming newcomers with a nice and shiny BF derivative on the wiki's front page?
13:31:54 <Phantom_Hoover> maybe, ah, actually ask them what their interest in the channel is
13:32:11 <oerjan> This Month's Brainfuck Derivative
13:32:38 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: right.
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14:04:21 <Taneb> `slist busy busy busy everyone's on LOFAF
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14:13:48 <shikhin> boily: I'm from your friendly neighborhood; as for my body weight, it's about 88.8kg.
14:14:41 <boily> shikhin: I'll put you in Pittsburgh, then.
14:15:02 <shikhin> Oh, not the *physical* neighborhood.
14:15:26 * shikhin is slightly bored; why don't you try guessing? :-)
14:15:41 <shikhin> My name should be a big hint, and I've betrayed my continent above already.
14:15:50 <boily> I'm not in Pittsburgh, but in Montréal. Mr. Roger's Neighbourhood was produced in Pittsburgh.
14:16:36 <boily> shikhin: the betrayal happened afore my connection to the chännel. let me lurk and slurch and gather intelligence in a most unsubtle manner...
14:17:06 <oerjan> shikhin: but israel has been guessed already!
14:17:22 <boily> <Phantom_Hoover> i once heard taneb punched a hole in the chancellor ← which one?
14:17:25 <shikhin> Hint (since I'm not too sure why you're all even trying, I'll make it a bit easier):
14:17:37 <shikhin> Try Google, you'll find my name is rather unique.
14:18:17 <shikhin> Phantom_Hoover: No, those ruins are named after me (or rather, after I was born)... :-)
14:18:51 <boily> shikhin is from the future (88 kg/hour!), from the ruins of Pittsburgh, Israel.
14:18:54 <oerjan> ok is this your site http://shikhin.in/
14:19:08 <shikhin> Aha, got me... should be very easy, now.
14:19:17 <shikhin> Not boily, but oerjan. :-)
14:20:42 <shikhin> Hrm, does 'shikhin' sound Israeli to you folks?
14:21:41 <oerjan> shikhin: it's vaguely hebrew in phonology
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14:22:30 <oerjan> and there actually _is_ such a place.
14:22:42 <shikhin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikhin -- yeah, stole my name.
14:22:58 <oerjan> and we already have shachaf, a regular channel member.
14:23:17 <shikhin> shachaf is close to shikhin?
14:24:13 <oerjan> they're both typical semitic-sounding three-consonant words
14:25:00 <oerjan> and two of the consonants are the same, modulo slight transliteration difference
14:25:28 <oerjan> of course the -kh- is probably not pronounced the same for a hebrew word as an indian one.
14:25:28 <boily> @tell shachaf is it /ʃatʃaf/ or /ʃaχaf/
14:25:55 <boily> @tell shachaf oerjan clarified me. disregard the question.
14:26:06 <boily> oerjan: thanks. tdh.
14:26:43 <shikhin> oerjan: Probably; I'd have given you the IPA, but I don't do well with IPA.
14:26:47 <oerjan> i expect the indian is actually /ʃikhin/ or so
14:27:05 <oerjan> maybe the h should be superscript, i don't know how to do that in irc.
14:27:09 <shikhin> oerjan: It's like the 'kh' in 'khan'; I guess more people do well with muslim names than Indian ones :-)
14:27:11 <boily> I think Armenian is one of the few languages that has contrastive [χ] and [ʁ].
14:28:01 <shikhin> boily: I've not much clue how to read that, so, heh :-)
14:28:37 <boily> shikhin: it's kinda like an s, but more “k”-ish, with your tongue stuck to your palate.
14:29:20 <oerjan> i know indo-aryan languages have aspirated plosives, so i assumed kh was one. also how i pronounce it in "khan" but i don't know if that is actually right.
14:29:22 <shikhin> boily: Doesn't feel like it; let me think of an English word which matches with the pronunciation of 'kh'.
14:30:12 <oerjan> (of course norwegian/english also have that sound - we just lack the _unaspirated_ version.)
14:30:17 <boily> shikhin: english doesn't have it, sadly. such an interesting sound...
14:30:46 <shikhin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad04HEqKIoA -- there, that does 'khan' properly.
14:31:04 <boily> oerjan: for a francophone, trying to make a difference between unaspirated/aspirated is next to impossible.
14:31:06 <shikhin> If anyone of you provided the right alternative, do tell me :-)
14:31:33 <shikhin> As for English, yeah, can't think of any word.
14:31:35 <oerjan> shikhin: i think that's what i thought it was.
14:31:50 <boily> oerjan: don't pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes.
14:31:54 * shikhin presumes no one is stuck at 'shi' or 'in'.
14:32:31 <boily> shikhin: there are sound bits (of varying quality) for all the possible phonemes on wikipedia.
14:32:32 <oerjan> shikhin: the _usual_ english pronunciation of k is aspirated, although not as much as in that youtube link
14:33:58 * shikhin isn't as good with phonetics.
14:34:42 <shikhin> Although, yeah, the 'kh' part looks plosive, if I'm going by the right definition.
14:35:11 <boily> shikhin: what is your mother language?
14:35:45 <shikhin> I was taught both Hindi and English, as my first languages.
14:36:29 <boily> probably a velar plosive.
14:36:47 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: i think the kh in shikhin and khan are like english k but a bit more aspirated.
14:37:42 * shikhin is trying to figure out the difference between velar and uvular.
14:39:00 <oerjan> uvular is far back in the mouth, at the uvula which is that weird thing hanging down.
14:39:23 <boily> trilling the uvular is a fun activity.
14:40:03 <Taneb> Wow, that's a consonant I did not realise I could pronounce
14:40:28 <oerjan> boily: to repeat, i think german might contrast [χ] and [ʁ] ?
14:40:36 <shikhin> Hrm, amazing how everyone at #esoteric are phonetics experts?
14:41:06 <oerjan> shikhin: some of them drive us others crazy by talking in japanese or french
14:41:19 <boily> oerjan: oh. I didn't parse «german, might?» correctly the first time.
14:41:28 <oerjan> boily: i suspected so :)
14:42:27 <boily> oerjan: je vois pas de quoi tu veux parler :D 僕は意味ないよ^^
14:42:59 <oerjan> (at least i understood that french. i think.)
14:44:12 <boily> google translate sucks at Japanese... :/...
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14:44:49 <oerjan> boily: jeg kan også være ubegripelig hvis jeg vil!
14:47:43 <boily> oerjan: manqué. j'ai compris ta tentavie d'incompréhension :p
14:48:07 <boily> (I need to remember "ubegripelig")
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14:48:51 <oerjan> boily: hm it seems german pronounces -r at the end of words as a vowel, so maybe not.
14:50:16 <oerjan> gt doesn't know "tentavie"
14:52:55 <oerjan> so if german only uses [χ] at the end of syllables and [ʁ] at the beginning of syllables, finding a contrast might be hard.
14:53:53 <Taneb> Maybe to a German mind an [χ] is just a [ʁ] at the the end of a syllable, and vice versa
14:53:55 <boily> oerjan: tentative.
14:54:02 <Taneb> (I do not possess a German mind)
14:54:39 <oerjan> Taneb: i find that etymologically implausible.
14:55:37 <oerjan> as they come from /g/ and /r/ in germanic respectively afaiu
14:56:33 <oerjan> Taneb: and also, /r/ at the end of a syllable becomes [ɐ̯]
14:58:14 <oerjan> Führer has a [ʁ] in it, so maybe it can work _between_ vowels.
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14:58:36 <oerjan> except not that one, since [χ] needs a back vowel in front.
15:00:02 <oerjan> hm "fahren" can apparently be pronounced both ways.
15:02:25 <oerjan> the audio clips sound like [χ]
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15:05:28 <oerjan> shikhin: psst "Homo Sapiens" is not a plural
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15:07:01 <Taneb> If you want to be pedantic, the plural is "homines sapientes"
15:07:27 <boily> homineses sapientises.
15:09:53 <oerjan> argumentum ad hominem sapientem
15:10:52 * oerjan fell into a latin grammar as a child
15:20:47 <boily> IN ALTERNATIVUM UNIVERSAM, oerjan speaks latin.
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15:47:07 <boily> a coworker helped me with some macro stuff. there are thiiiiiiings going on underneath vim's hood.
15:48:38 <boily> (and my "w is polluted with all the editing I did lately on the Wisdom.)
15:48:44 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/
15:49:05 <nortti> I wonder if this still works
15:49:33 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28803
15:50:50 <metasepia> "I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at
15:50:50 <metasepia> the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace
15:50:50 <metasepia> to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal
15:50:50 <metasepia> judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction."
15:50:50 <metasepia> [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5]
15:50:59 <boily> you didn't see that.
15:52:06 <boily> nortti: it's usually mine.
15:52:26 <metasepia> Alimony is like buying oats for a dead horse.
15:52:49 <boily> nortti: I... think I'm going to disown it if it persists to spew out stupid quotes.
15:53:27 <nortti> hmm, what cmdchars are currently in use, here?
15:58:52 <Phantom_Hoover> boily, why do you have the offensive database turned on...
16:17:07 <fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot !
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16:22:05 <elliott> so horse_ebooks is just part of the pronunciationbook ARG
16:22:19 <elliott> I think I need to get off the internet.
16:22:29 <nortti> how do I register # to oonbotti(|2|3) ?
16:24:23 <Bike> elliott: i know what you're feeling :(
16:24:30 <Bike> nothing is honest and true
16:24:38 <elliott> Bike: I don't... I don't think I even have feelings any more.
16:26:06 <Bike> it's ok. we can get through this. unless it turns out i'm actually an advertisement for Ford™ Trucks (Truck Strong08:49 < HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28803. then you're on your own.
16:26:10 <Bike> 08:49 < nortti> it seems, yes
16:26:13 <Bike> 08:50 < boily> ~fortune
16:26:15 <Bike> 08:50 < metasepia> "I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at
16:26:19 <Bike> you know what, that's about as intelligent as what i was saying.
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16:31:13 <fungot> #echo ^echo #echo ^echo
16:31:14 <fungot> #echo ^echo #echo ^echo
16:31:14 <fungot> #echo ^echo #echo ^echo
16:31:14 <fungot> #echo ^echo #echo ^echo
16:31:15 <fungot> #echo ^echo #echo ^echo
16:31:15 <fungot> #echo ^echo #echo ^echo
16:31:16 <fungot> #echo ^echo #echo ^echo
16:31:16 <fungot> #echo ^echo #echo ^echo
16:31:17 <fungot> #echo ^echo #echo ^echo
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16:40:11 <Bike> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/09/-horse-ebooks-is-the-most-successful-piece-of-cyber-fiction-ever/279946/
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16:41:24 <elliott> oh, all the tweets were still actually markov chained?
16:41:41 <Bike> it doesn't say either way
16:42:22 <elliott> also it seems like it was actually a spambot to start with and then bought a few years ago? probably coinciding with when all the tweets started showing up as being posted from the web, cue apparently-correct conspiracy theories
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16:44:17 <Bike> i'm not that deep into horse_ebooks historiography
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17:06:50 <Bike> http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/why-were-shutting-our-comments "comments sections tend to be a grotesque reflection of the media culture surrounding them" so just shut 'em off totally
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17:09:56 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: can't remember why.
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17:18:14 <Guest2360> Hello folks from the mountains of Natal, South Africa.
17:18:52 <boily> today is a wonderful internationesotical day!
17:18:55 <boily> `relcome Guest2360
17:18:59 <HackEgo> Guest2360: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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17:23:40 <fizzie> I think I'm getting that framed, it was so perfect an example of the proper sequence of welcoming events.
17:25:13 <kmc> would have been better with rainwords :(
17:27:22 <boily> kmc: a corowking haskeller is slowly transiting to the Rust side of the Force.
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17:29:33 <fizzie> [[ Haskell is "the" standard lazy functional programming language. ]] --Debian 'ghc' package description.
17:30:09 <kmc> boily: what does your friend want to use Rust for?
17:30:14 <kmc> it's not really an alternative to Haskell, of course...
17:30:43 <boily> a use??? it's only for learning and exploring.
17:30:49 <HackEgo> ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia mnoqy monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Roujo Sgeo SgeoBot shikhin SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb
17:31:03 <boily> he's a lisper at heart, but dabbles in everything he can get to compile on his machine.
17:31:03 <shikhin_> Oh, d'oh, that's what it does.
17:31:11 <kmc> supreme butt
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17:37:15 <HackEgo> tiger717: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
17:37:27 <boily> I need autocompletion on bot commands.
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17:38:48 <nortti> it seems that #<redacted> people are slowly flowing over here
17:40:34 <boily> nortti: strangely, no Colombians today.
17:41:11 <nortti> I don't think there's anyone from colombia on #<redacted>
17:41:49 <boily> hm. <redacted> is a valid channel name...
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17:48:09 <fizzie> RFCistically speaking, most things are valid channel names, since the only prohibited octets are NUL, BEL, LF, CR, space, comma and colon.
17:48:21 <fizzie> Sadly, freenode seems to take a dim view on control characters in channel names.
17:48:48 <fizzie> IRCnet is perfectly happy with e.g. #esoteric
17:50:02 <boily> «#⎈ :Illegal channel name». bummer.
17:50:54 <fizzie> boily: http://sprunge.us/NRHS <- IRCnet.
17:51:59 <kmc> can you /join #̈
17:52:26 <Gregor> * #̈ :Illegal channel name
17:53:40 <fizzie> freenode seems very narrow-minded about this.
17:56:57 <Phantom_Hoover> http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/09/computer-simulations-suggest-war-drove-the-rise-of-civilizations/ i feel like this deserves to be laughed at
18:01:58 <Gregor> Because it's obviously true, or because it manages to be unconvincing of something which is obviously true?
18:07:01 <boily> ~duck ars technica
18:07:02 <metasepia> Ars Technica (Latin-derived for the "art of technology") is a technology news and information website created by Ken Fisher and Jon Stokes in 1998.
18:07:04 <Phantom_Hoover> well because it seems like a really shoddy basis on which to do anthropology
18:07:25 <metasepia> Formed by the flood waters of the White Nile, it varies in size seasonally.
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18:39:05 <kmc> arse technica
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18:58:18 <Gregor> ~duck Let's just hold all our conversations in DuckDuckGo search queries from now on.
18:58:42 <boily> Gregor: that's silly. even I won't do that.
18:58:47 <metasepia> SillyHair Kara is an adjective meaning having foolish hair!!! or in a foolish manner.
19:01:55 <kmc> let's not and say we did
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19:06:22 <fizzie> SillyHair Kara sounds like someone related to Real Fast Nora.
19:07:04 <fizzie> Or possibly an archenemy or something.
19:10:49 <Gregor> Database returned error "145: Table './esolang_wiki/searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)".
19:11:11 <Gregor> Fiora: Perhaps SillyHair Kara is the perpetrator of the Shear-related Disaster!
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19:13:58 <boily> fizziello. Fihellora. Grellor.
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19:18:34 <Fiora> sillyhair...? kara?
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19:18:50 <AnotherTest> why are right cosets sometimes called left cosets, and how does that make sense at all
19:19:07 <Taneb> Fiora, I'd like to return from my exile from your channel
19:19:27 <Fiora> oh. um. currently it's kind of just a private channel for a couple people
19:19:50 <AnotherTest> does this also mean that left cosets are sometimes called right cosets?
19:20:13 <Taneb> Aaah I can't regoin it's invite only
19:20:16 <Taneb> I can't even rejoin
19:20:17 <AnotherTest> I would assume so unless the people who call right cosets left cosets have another name for left cosets
19:21:13 <fizzie> Fiora: Apparently we look so much alike that people confuse which one they were talking to. (I deduce you're some kind of bearded dude.)
19:22:55 <olsner> fizzie: too many people starting with fi- in the same place
19:23:12 <AnotherTest> I don't see why though, I thought you got xH by using right multiplication as a group action
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19:23:35 <Fiora> fizzie: I don't think I'm either of those :P
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19:24:39 <Gregor> fi- FinotherTest Fiora FireFly fizzie WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY (also sorry for pinging you FireFly)
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19:25:17 * Gregor is now known as Firegor
19:25:19 <fitaneb> I can never see a bandwagon without jumping on it
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19:25:38 <FireFly> Are bandwagons common in Hexham?
19:25:50 <Fiora> help everyone is fiii
19:25:56 <Gregor> FireFly: The internal combustion engine has not yet reached Hexham.
19:26:02 <fizzie> Everyone's looking fine.
19:26:15 <fitaneb> Gregor, we have a shop that sells "Horseless Carriages"
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19:26:45 <fitaneb> It's called Hexham Horseless Carriages
19:26:46 <fi-> It's the final countdown! doo doo doo dooooo ♪ do-do-do do doooo ♪
19:26:52 <Gregor> <fitaneb> Or rather, had, until the owner was killed for heresy.
19:27:41 <fi-> fungot: you should rename yourself to fingot.
19:27:42 <fungot> fi-: need a clone? the magician, nolstein bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him!
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19:27:56 <FireFly> Considering the country of origin distribution of people in the channel.. it seems fitting
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19:28:13 <boily> Fintom_Hoover: can I subtly ~duck him?
19:28:17 <fizzie> He knows how to make clones.
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19:29:25 <boily> ~duck nolstein bekkler
19:29:30 <fizzie> It is very ungood that if you change the nick of a fungot, it'll still only respond if the old name is spoken, it's not terribly self-aware.
19:29:30 <fungot> fizzie: it's time you jumped off this mortal coil...
19:29:34 <olsner> Norstein Bekkler's Tent of Horrors is in the Present
19:29:58 <fizzie> fungot: Again you go with the death threats.
19:29:58 <fungot> fizzie: is the gate key okay!! get' em! 200g per night. care, and stay...healthy! my husband...he's...he's...gone... but he left me precious gifts! the seeds...and our child, it's ancient history now...
19:30:00 <boily> fizzie: the 'got is right. shed off your mortal coil!
19:30:23 <AnotherTest> when we have suffl'd of this mortal coil, must give us pause
19:30:45 <AnotherTest> is it on shakespeare mode or something / does it know shakespeare
19:30:56 <fungot> Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
19:31:19 <fizzie> (I don't think Shakespeare wrote so much about the gate key.)
19:31:33 <fungot> AnotherTest: hildersham. was that the king that spurd his horse so hard, against the forme of a souldier i will vndertake it
19:31:38 <boily> fungot: shed shed shed, shed your booty!
19:31:39 <fungot> boily: pros. marke his condition, and th' euent, then tell me, hero: wooing, wedding, and repenting is as a louers pinch, which hurts and is desir'd. dost thou speake? your eyes do menace me: why looke you pale, mistris? do you heare monster: if i loose them, thus find i by their losse, for valentine, my selfe haue anne page
19:32:19 <fizzie> It's all sourced from randomish Project Gutenberg texts.
19:32:42 <boily> ualentine, which incidentally was how a former Chinese coworker pronounced it.
19:33:03 <boily> (took me several days to catch on on what he was talking about.)
19:34:28 <AnotherTest> anyway, does anyone know why some people call right cosets left cosets?
19:36:01 <olsner> "Everything you view and contribute on Facebook is private and will not appear on Facebook" <-- some site that wants me to log in with facebook
19:40:36 <AnotherTest> aha http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/392841/what-is-the-reason-for-the-name-left-coset
19:41:26 <kmc> sinister cosets
19:42:40 <AnotherTest> the book I'm reading uses right for what's usually called left it appears
19:54:17 <boily> AnotherTest: turn the book around.
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20:16:26 <FreeFull> They could just call them cosets
20:16:55 <FreeFull> If there is a difference between left and right cosets, keep the terminology the same everywhere
20:18:42 <boily> all this is making me feel miserable.
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21:01:48 <oerjan> @tell nortti Registering new bot prefixes needs to be done separately on fungot, HackEgo and EgoBot (and presumably any new bot that allows anyone to make a prefixes command.) Incidentally the fungot process is a pain at the moment because of jconn's unmatched ), can i interest you in using a ( prefix?
21:01:49 <fungot> oerjan: actus secundus. scoena prima. coriolanus. well, masters, good night indeed. who's that i pray'thee? bawd. marry sir, so painted, to make misfortune liue? groo. i was
21:02:34 <boily> oerjan: won't a ( prefix break havoc all-around the chännel?
21:02:48 <boily> (inasmuch the channel can be more broken thant what it is at the moment...)
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21:23:52 <oerjan> boily: well (-space is also acceptable, jconn does )-space after all.
21:24:19 <fizzie> oerjan: Using brainfuck instead of just writing [CLOSE PARENTHESIS YO] shows commendable dedication.
21:24:58 <oerjan> boily: also not all robots give an error message on unknown commands. fungot doesn't.
21:24:59 <fungot> oerjan: viola. the honourable lady of the house i did enquire for? cel. it pleases your worship to morrow morning let vs meete him then, whom you accuse, let me redeeme my brothers both from death
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21:25:29 <oerjan> fizzie: IT DOES DOESN'T IT?
21:25:35 <fungot> fizzie: car. what, sir, i haue a letter from the cardinal? norfolk. my lord
21:26:45 <oerjan> the hardest part isn't generating the brainfuck, but breaking it up and serving it to fungot ^str btw.
21:26:45 <fungot> oerjan: cam. good my lord
21:27:22 <boily> aaaaaaaaurgh. I have this empty void in my heart that can only be filled by a mechanical keyboard, but they're expensive!
21:27:55 <oerjan> boily: mechanical keyboards are _not_ recommended as pacemakers.
21:29:58 <boily> oerjan: don't care. my fingers are more important than my internal organs, stomach notwithstanding.
21:30:16 <boily> (I still need something to process down phở, mind you)
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21:33:09 <oerjan> the _ conspiracy is growing
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21:36:08 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: i dunno, michael is pretty ordinary.
21:36:46 * oerjan cannot recall if he's ever learned Phantom_Hoover's first name.
21:37:37 * Taneb thinks I can remember like half of it
21:38:21 <myname> Taneb: like all the vokals?
21:40:31 <elliott> J. Edgar Hoover gave his kids really weird names.
21:40:35 <boily> Koen_: you are of the _iform.
21:40:56 <boily> elliott: jedgar was Frank Zappa in disguise.
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21:43:48 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: or wait is it actually micheál
21:44:26 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: of northern irish descent?
21:44:46 <Phantom_Hoover> putting accents all over the place doesn't make it irish!
21:45:15 <boily> that's the French version.
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21:45:44 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: well google gave me these variations
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21:46:38 <oerjan> Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh
21:49:30 <oerjan> + what i vaguely recall of your real name.
21:49:56 <oerjan> or being claimed to be it, anyway.
21:50:37 <fizzie> If you keep telling people Phantom_Hoover's real name is Adahn, an Adahn will appear at a bar in the Hive.
21:51:20 <oerjan> anyway google somehow thinks accents and switched vowels is just the thing for irish michaels.
21:51:29 <oerjan> fizzie: is that a reference
21:51:38 <fizzie> oerjan: To Planescape: Torment, yes.
21:52:23 <fizzie> oerjan: (If you, as the player character, keep answering the (imaginary) "Adahn" whenever someone asks for your name, Adahn the Imagined, a very confused person, will indeed appear.)
21:54:21 <fizzie> Maybe I should add PS:T as one of fungot's game options. It's as long as a book, so it might not be as repetitive as some other styles.
21:54:22 <fungot> fizzie: petruchio. did ever dian so become a groue as kate this chamber with her princely gait? o! if you be so good touchstone: look you how pale he glares, his forme and cause conioyn'd, preaching to stones, would make them capeable. do not presume to tempt them with ill words, nor worth, action, nor vtterance, nor the deuision of the twentieth part of one.
21:55:05 <fizzie> (Well, a long book, apparently, at 800k words.)
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22:07:42 <Bike> sireously bil gatess is a master class programmer bro nobody can make windows like show smooth and sweat
22:08:00 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v Bike.
22:08:31 <Bike> he is best programme rin the world dude
22:12:38 <oerjan> Bike doesn't need voice, he needs an exorcism.
22:13:01 <oerjan> or possibly to guard his computer better.
22:13:15 <Bike> bil gates is master class programmer but he dont speak about it
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22:43:37 <oerjan> @tell AnotherTest presumably they can't agree whether "left" refers to the side of the single element or the subgroup? i don't even remember which convention we used.
22:43:38 <FreeFull> luslus dec sigfas cen dec bartis a tis pat sigbar soq dec soq ketcab pat wutgal tis pel zero a per tislus b tis pat barhep wutcol tis pel a lus pel b per per b buc pel b lus pel b per per
22:47:39 <Bike> How would I rename every file named foo_[stuff] in a directory to just [stuff]? I'm bad at shell.
22:48:05 <elliott> Bike: rename 's/^foo_//' *
22:48:19 <FreeFull> elliott: Weird, my rename doesn't do regex
22:48:27 <elliott> I think that's the Perl rename.
22:48:31 <Bike> Except I just put this in git.
22:48:32 <elliott> rename 'foo_' '' * for the other one maybe.
22:49:01 <Bike> Maybe I should have renamed before gitting.
22:49:26 <elliott> Bike: for file in foo_*; do git mv $file $(echo $file | sed 's/^foo_//'); done ?
22:49:35 <elliott> (I know, useless use of sed. but I forget bash's replacement syntax all the time >_>)
22:49:48 <elliott> also don't do this if your filenames have spaces in them, etc. etc. etc. also git doesn't actually track renames.
22:50:34 <Bike> for i already did the rename
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22:52:56 <FreeFull> Bike: Well, get rid of the commit pernamently
22:53:07 <Bike> I said too late!
22:53:57 <elliott> Bike: you can do the git mvs anyway, if the resulting filenames have a pattern you can glob over
22:54:19 <elliott> well, I guess you have to git rm/git add if they already got renamed.
22:54:40 <elliott> you could also just git reset --hard and then do the git mvs, of course!
22:58:27 * Bike sighs, downloads all files again
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23:19:24 <fizzie> for f in foo_*; do mv $f ${f/foo_/}; done # the manual way
23:19:33 <fizzie> (Not too late at all.)
23:20:07 <Bike> i literally started from scratch four times in the interim, no worries.
23:21:52 <FreeFull> Bike: You can always make a local copy
23:22:13 <Bike> that's what i was doing. since davfs won't let me touch files and such for some reason.
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