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00:49:08 <zzo38> I wrote some idea I have now to make HWPL (the older ones had some mistakes): http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/hwpl.txt
00:49:41 <zzo38> I didn't write about expressions and operators yet, and there are probably other things missing too.
00:49:55 <zzo38> Such as, on the outer-level statements, ROM-level statements, etc
00:51:30 <zzo38> And then, I suppose, a RAM statement for use in a module code to specify internal RAM.
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03:38:20 <Bike> that's not a very good greeting.
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05:38:54 <fizzie> Hrm. I made a script thing to save lm-sensors temperature data of this IRC box in a file, but turns out it's impressively boring: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130928-tmp.png
05:44:48 <fizzie> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130928-tmp2.png -- also including the non-coretemp sensors that I think have wrong resistor values; but they're not any more interesting either.
06:11:41 <HackEgo> slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
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07:10:13 <Sgeo> This talk I'm watching just implied that compilability is an indicativeness of understandability
07:10:19 <Sgeo> My Tcl-loving self feels insulted
07:11:15 <Bike> In some sense compilability /is/ understandability, by a thing that isn't a human. I guess.
07:11:42 <Bike> Also a thing that's not very good at math or hitting on people.
07:12:36 <zzo38> Stop hitting people with no good purpose!
07:13:42 <Bike> The preposition is pretty important there, man.
07:14:21 <fizzie> 7. hit -- (a connection made via the internet to another website; "WordNet gets many hits from users worldwide") -- I'm sure that example sentence was selected entirely at random.
07:15:15 <Bike> whyd you look it up
07:15:40 <fizzie> I was hoping for funny uncommon meanings.
07:16:03 <fizzie> Sadly, there was just the boring.
07:18:00 <impomatic> Has anyone tried TCL Robots? http://tclrobots.org
07:18:42 <fizzie> "III. To aim, direct one's aim or course. -- 18. intr. To aim, seek, strive. Obs. rare -- (1380) Pearl l. 132 Þe wyȝ..Hittez to haue ay more & more."
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07:19:33 <fizzie> Huh. Spam with the subject line "He expertly blended together acoustic and electronic instruments" and the (entire) body text "Elevation lines are added to the plot to help delineate changes in elevation. In July 2000, UZT 1."
07:19:38 <fizzie> Wonder what purpose that serves.
07:19:58 <fizzie> No MIME or HTML versions or anything.
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07:21:13 <Bike_> zzo38: i see hwpl has primitive ram and muxes.
07:22:32 <Sgeo> impomatic: that seems awefully like a million other games that I also have not played
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07:23:17 <zzo38> Bike_: Yes, that is some things it has. Is that OK like the way it is?
07:24:50 <Bike> mm, i just wonder about it being primitive. it seems like something one could reasonably implement oneself.
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07:24:58 <Bike> or having a system with no ram, etc.
07:25:53 <zzo38> Maybe RAM doesn't need to be primitive, although FPGAs generally have primitive muxes so that is useful for at least that purpose it seems.
07:27:02 <Bike> why limit yourself to fpgas right
07:27:14 <zzo38> It isn't supposed to be limit to FPGAs.
07:27:29 <zzo38> However, it is one possible use.
07:28:10 <Bike> anyway, what i meant is i was waondering if those sorts of things could be library sorts of things. presumably a synthesizer could choose to implement such a library thing with a physical mux, or not, depending on available hardware, etc.
07:28:51 <zzo38> Yes, perhaps that can be right. That thing "depending on available hardware" is what the MODELS command is for, so yes I suppose it can be done.
07:37:13 <zzo38> Therefore you are probably correct.
07:39:13 <impomatic> Hmmm... I haven't played any games apart from programming games / text adventures for about 15 years. Is there anything I ought to try? (apart from the obvious two, Minecraft and Dwarf Fortress)
07:39:34 <zzo38> Maybe the CGA Collection? I don't know.
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07:41:02 <zzo38> CGA Collection is a set of public domain DOS games including source-codes.
07:41:26 <zzo38> (Therefore you will need some way to run DOS programs on whatever computer you have)
07:41:36 <zzo38> http://zzo38computer.org/GAMES/CGACOLL.ZIP
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07:58:31 <zzo38> Does it work? Do you like this?
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11:12:02 <Koen_> @tell oerjan I guess if we make a page that redirects to Recursion, we can make the "see also" recursion link to that page
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13:59:00 <Taneb> I am no longer in Hexham
13:59:05 <Taneb> I am no longer in Hexham
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13:59:24 <olsner> Taneb: welcome to the real world
13:59:43 <Taneb> olsner, well, I'm in York
13:59:46 <olsner> do you know how to feed yourself?
14:00:14 <Taneb> I have loads of Italian biscuit-y things
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14:03:14 <Taneb> olsner, you know more about this than I do, can I feed myself with them?
14:03:57 <olsner> biscuits will keep you going for a short while, I wouldn't recommend the camera
14:04:10 <olsner> better to sell it and buy more biscuits
14:05:46 <Taneb> These are the biscuits: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1266812_579131395456452_1244635056_o.jpg
14:07:41 <olsner> beware that the box is deceptively big - most of it is air, not food
14:07:59 <Taneb> By the way, I took that picture with my camera
14:10:26 <olsner> as you've seen, the camera can be useful to gain information about everyday objects through the internet
14:10:57 <Taneb> Hmm, in that case I will keep it and use it to help identify potential food
14:12:22 <reynir> Someone should make a web service where you upload a photo and people will vote on wether it's food or not
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16:10:16 <Taneb> Well, I am not the first person in my flat to get locked out
16:25:36 <Taneb> Only time will tell
16:25:43 <Koen_> you got locked out *in* your flat?
16:26:08 <lambdabot> oerjan said 18h 17m 18s ago: <Koen_> http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-11-12 doesn't show here :( <-- s/log\///
16:26:34 <Koen_> that's s/\/log\///
16:30:22 <Taneb> Koen_, the flat has locked rooms
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17:39:48 <kmc> there was a guy who used Mosh to escape from a broken elevator and blogged about it
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17:53:56 <Koen_> kmc: is that a pun or a fact?
17:54:54 <Taneb> That is a fact, I read the blog post
17:55:09 <Taneb> I don't think Mosh would have helped in this situation
17:55:58 <kmc> what would the pun be?
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18:16:34 <kmc> a chicken coöp?
18:16:55 <Phantom_Hoover> forget every time you have seen boily use the diaeresis please
18:17:20 <kmc> diæretic ænema
18:17:59 <Phantom_Hoover> (i mean this cop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Co-operative_Group)
18:20:20 <zzo38> Since we managed to beat the demon without too much difficulty (due to many stupid mistakes they made), I suggested to the DM something, the demon's brain is cursed and now my character is cursed and cannot automatically heal (so spells have to be used), and a few other things (the curse can still be removed normally, but then I hungry again), and furthermore they will resurrect the demon and we have to beat them a second time... Do you like this?
18:24:00 <zzo38> Do you have other ideas?
18:24:48 <Phantom_Hoover> what if the demon turns out to be the demon's brain's father
18:25:21 <kmc> apparently in addition to hating street musicians Charles Babbage also hated kids who play with hoops in the street http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoop_rolling#British_Empire
18:25:35 <kmc> http://www.harkavagrant.com/?id=5
18:26:20 <zzo38> Phantom_Hoover: OK, if the demon turns out to be the demon's brain's father, well it doesn't seem to make a difference
18:26:36 <zzo38> (Maybe you know otherwise)
18:26:46 <zzo38> What kind of difference?
18:27:33 <zzo38> I don't see an ethical difference either.
18:28:59 <zzo38> Well, they aren't.
18:31:36 <kmc> 'He once counted all the broken panes of glass of a factory, publishing in 1857 a "Table of the Relative Frequency of the Causes of Breakage of Plate Glass Windows": Of 464 broken panes, 14 were caused by "drunken men, women or boys"'
18:33:43 <kmc> here's the table of causes of breakage http://i.imgur.com/OsoIsI6.png
18:34:01 <kmc> I can only assume that HANKO is a piece of IKEA furniture that fizzie is now trapped inside
18:34:23 <fizzie> No, it's probably the southernmost city in Finland.
18:34:46 <fizzie> Well, perhaps not. But close, anyway.
18:34:56 <pikhq> And as we know, "city in Finland" is code for IKEA furniture.
18:35:34 <Phantom_Hoover> i have 3 optional modules: automata and formal languages; further automata and formal languages; and algorithmic graph theory
18:36:09 <kmc> what's in HANKO
18:36:15 <kmc> (also help why are we capitalizing it)
18:36:49 <kmc> i wonder if there is a ferry to Hiiumaa and whether that is a nice place to go or not
18:36:53 <fizzie> Southernmost tip of continental Finland, says Wikipedia.
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18:37:10 <Phantom_Hoover> they sound amazing but last time i tried any non core maths modules it ended in disaster
18:37:30 <kmc> look around you, just look around you, have you worked out what we're looking for? it's automata!
18:38:37 <fizzie> My father's been sailing around Hiiumaa, I think. (Well, it's kind of a logical place to stop at when going round Finland-Estonia-Sweden-Åland-Finland.)
18:39:44 <atehwa> kmc: yes, from Rohukla IIRC; and at least Krdla is a very nice town.
18:40:01 <kmc> that's a nice long sailing trip
18:40:12 <kmc> is the water calm up there or no?
18:40:27 <atehwa> calm? = does not have waves?
18:40:36 <fizzie> It's not as choppy as proper oceans, I believe.
18:40:48 <atehwa> choppy = has big waves?
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18:41:21 <fizzie> But there are certainly even strong storms now and then, I guess generally you just keep track of the current forecast and stay a few extra days if it looks too bad.
18:41:25 <atehwa> with normal wind the wave height is around 1,5m
18:42:59 <fizzie> The Turku Archipelago is I think kind of impressive as far as "lots of small islands" things go.
18:43:14 <fizzie> 20000 islands, says Google.
18:43:29 <fizzie> It looks very spotty on a map.
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20:36:25 <zzo38> They really draw too many cards; I have 27 remaining in draw pile and they have zero.
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20:36:32 <zzo38> This happens really often.
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20:48:07 <oerjan> the recent spate of dead links has made me wonder: if esolangs.org is the only thing linking to an external page, and as it uses the nofollow attribute, will the web archive archive it at all?
20:48:20 <lambdabot> Koen_ said 9h 36m 17s ago: I guess if we make a page that redirects to Recursion, we can make the "see also" recursion link to that page
20:49:02 <oerjan> @tell Koen_ the problem is, that's mutual recursion, which is a different joke.
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20:50:48 <Bike> as in archive.org?
20:51:32 <oerjan> what made me wonder about it is that the most recent dead link has only been crawled once, today, and i suspect that was because Rdebath checked if it was there.
20:53:13 <Bike> does wayback machine's bot even care about nofollow, i thought it was for spammers
20:53:35 <oerjan> ...spammers don't care, do they.
20:53:52 <mnoqy> even spammers gotta respect The Rules
20:54:20 <Bike> as in, nofollow keeps links from influencing google results, so spamers have no reason to spam links.
20:55:11 <oerjan> i'd discuss this more but the neighbor has left their dog alone at home and the barking is making by brain shut down.
20:55:23 <zzo38> No, for one thing Google isn't the only one, and mirrors may not have nofollow
20:57:07 <oerjan> of course the dog happens to only bark when i'm considering discussing something that requires my brain working. i blame demons.
20:57:32 <oerjan> or maybe poltergeists.
20:59:10 <Sgeo> "I must have food, or I'll die"
20:59:19 <Sgeo> Is there someone who this isn't true of?
20:59:30 <oerjan> i tried watching the stars this evening. i think this part of the city has more light pollution than where i used to live.
20:59:34 <Bike> Sgeo: Breatharians
20:59:48 <zzo38> Sgeo: Well, there is reports of such things; I don't know how valid they are although at least some of them aren't valid.
21:00:01 <oerjan> Sgeo: if you consider water and/or carbon dioxide food, then no.
21:00:50 <oerjan> and i guess even plants need additional things like phosphorus.
21:01:36 <oerjan> Sgeo: obvious answer, anything that wasn't alive to start with.
21:04:57 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover: What's with this acting
21:05:01 <Sgeo> (in Home on the Remains)
21:05:23 <Sgeo> Is it supposed to be deliberate, because thats just how these aliens talk?
21:10:45 <Phantom_Hoover> the next episode is also weird and not very interesting, and the episode after is very good
21:23:54 <quintopia> the good episodes are the one where zan shows up again as the bad guy in the psycho game, and the one where john is crazy and acting like cartoons
21:31:53 <quintopia> which episode is it where the warrior guy survives deep space without a pressure suit for like a minute without dying? is that the first one?
21:35:00 <Sgeo> I've seen that ep
21:35:17 <Sgeo> First season, it's the one where Moya gets pregnant iirc
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21:35:45 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover: Zhaan can be scary
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21:38:42 <copumpkin> https://www.usenix.org/conference/woot13/page-fault-weird-machine-lessons-instruction-less-computation
21:39:00 <Sgeo> That was more focused on Aeryn
21:39:09 <Sgeo> I don't really remember what Zhaan did in that episode
21:39:46 <Phantom_Hoover> well she was all "god aeryn you really are a shit" (despite helping cut pilot's arm off a season earlier)
21:42:33 <quintopia> why is she (the zhaan actress) the only one who shows up at conventions?
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21:46:38 <Sgeo> I just read about it, and now I'm spoiled
21:48:38 <quintopia> tell me, though i've watched the whole thing, because i've forgotten most of it
21:50:00 <Phantom_Hoover> well she had some reaction to all the blue bodypaint, and it ended up making her kidneys bleed
21:50:59 <quintopia> i heard it was affecting her skin as well
21:51:12 <quintopia> but yeah, bleeding kidneys is a good reason to leave the show
21:51:23 <Phantom_Hoover> every report i've heard has placed emphasis upon the kidneys
21:51:39 <oerjan> did she start replacing nouns and verbs by a single word?
21:52:39 <quintopia> oerjan: what xyzzy xyzzy xyzzy would xyzzy?
21:57:54 <oerjan> quintopia: modulo still using correct grammar, mind
21:59:37 <oerjan> i am afraid my xyzzy is a bit rusty.
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23:07:06 <olsner> fungot: please summarize
23:07:06 <fungot> olsner: she's working for the same reason that i may never know
23:08:34 <olsner> if fungot may never know I shall never know either
23:08:35 <fungot> olsner: i cannot disagree, but so does
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23:19:37 <quintopia> what the hell's fungot that I don't?
23:19:37 <fungot> quintopia: i was trying to get you even high enough not to erase fnord text?
23:20:15 <oerjan> fungot: something something kmc
23:20:15 <fungot> oerjan: ( writes stallings) to procedure, got 2
23:20:18 <olsner> what does fungot not do?
23:20:19 <fungot> olsner: of course, the define is also wrong :) there's probably an opengl antialiasing feature i should use plt modules for that in 2.5!
23:21:21 <fungot> olsner: to use the char for naming " combinations" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord ( to which you copy previously executed code. probably one of my fnord nick. maybe i'll ask later.
23:21:47 <olsner> it went downhill from the summary, I think
23:22:04 <oerjan> olsner: he doesn't give us up, he doesn't let us down, he doesn't run around and desert us.
23:22:23 <fungot> olsner: where build-hierarchy is the macro system will make it unrealistic to adapt to pre-osx. i finally found the one. read it not long after it isn't true the site is crap
23:22:38 <oerjan> olsner: on alternate sundays.
23:23:17 <olsner> apparently fungot "finally found the one", so I'm happy for 'em either way
23:23:18 <fungot> olsner: i was just repeating commonly heard phrases over here? anybody still alive? does he mean by the general form of capitalization.
23:24:01 <oerjan> itt fungot admits to using cliches
23:24:02 <fungot> oerjan: the lecture vids are outdated but nice to see t on other architectures. good maintainer :)
23:24:31 <quintopia> fungot: what's your opinion of the Baha Men?
23:24:32 <fungot> quintopia: beauty is in the c faq is stupidly inefficient then. :)
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23:39:49 <FreeFull> We need more concatenative languages
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23:44:48 <oerjan> clearly concatenative languages should form a monoid.
23:50:26 <Koen_> cpressey has one or two
23:51:00 <Koen_> wait, do you mean the set of concatenative languages should form a monoid? or every concatenative language should form a monoid?
23:51:41 <FreeFull> Unfortunately concatenativety + higher level functions means you have to do quoting
23:51:54 <FreeFull> Which you don't have to do with something like Haskell