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06:25:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fish]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42776&oldid=42775 * 0x0dea * (-122) Replace FizzBuzz example with a stack-clean, terminating implementation.
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06:44:50 <lambdabot> LOWI 300620Z VRB02KT 6000 RA FEW005 SCT008 BKN020 08/07 Q1019 NOSIG
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08:03:14 <tr00p> so... I am proud of myself
08:03:16 <tr00p> http://lpst.tk/?LqkL
08:07:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Newton]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42777&oldid=40024 * Vriskanon * (+62) Added cat program. The instructions are unclear so I guessed some information.
08:15:57 <mroman> Lua's OOP is hashtables, right?
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09:02:35 <mroman> Is a stack + three registers enough for TC?
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09:12:12 <fizzie> Are they registers of unbounded size? I mean, two-counter Minsky machine.
09:13:06 <fizzie> If they're bounded, then I would guess no, since it's just "stack + more finite states" then.
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09:30:46 <mroman> I fiddling around with decimally encoded opcode/args and stuff
09:51:20 <Jafet> Boring completeness imo
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11:12:53 <myname> why is a queue sufficient?
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11:33:25 <mroman> Queues are self-sufficient.
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12:17:16 <Jafet> Boring-complete languages based on queues exist, such as cyclic tag
12:24:48 <mroman> the opposite of fun-complete
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13:08:23 <FireFly> mroman: they're map/table structures, but I don't know if the reference manual says whether they're strictly hashtables or not
13:09:35 <FireFly> No mention of 'hash' in http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html at least
13:14:38 <mroman> can you do python-like stuff?
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13:23:25 <mroman> At least Lua is better than JavaScript
13:23:39 <mroman> and that assumption is based solely on knowing JavaScript.
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14:35:14 <MDream> After using both Lua and Javacript, so far I've liked how canvas works.
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14:37:08 <MDude> But I also haven't used Love2D because I don't like how it expects you to make fake .exes by renaming a zip before running ti through some process and then renaming it again.
14:38:06 <MDude> If it's not going to let actual compilation then at least let let Love2D be something that itself doens't require installation.
14:39:34 <MDude> And somethiing where for a program to use it, it can just be in a subfolder under Love2Dprogs or something.
14:41:53 <MDude> The canvas functions for graphical interfaces, I mean, I mean.
14:42:29 <MDude> Lua and Javascript both seem pretty usable to me in their current state.
14:44:04 <MDude> I don't actually use other languages much though, just read about them.
14:44:45 <mroman> Löve2D at least has some physics.
14:46:17 <MDude> I like describing physics myself, it's just the hardware interface I want simple.
14:49:58 <J_Arcane> MDude: Have you seen PICO8? ;)
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15:04:31 <MDude> No, or if I did I mistook it for CHIP-8. This virtual cartridge thing seems like exactly what I wanted for Lua.
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15:47:24 <MDude> Unfortunatly I see no way to actually download it?
15:48:38 <MDude> You need to register for Voxatron, but there's not even an option to download Voxatron.
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15:54:35 <oerjan> you need to go to Dagobah to find the sole surviving Voxatron user hth
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16:25:24 <FireFly> mroman: yup, there are metamethods for overloading operators (__gt etc)
16:27:39 <FireFly> PICO-8 looks interesting... hm
16:34:29 * oerjan ogles oren after whistling ievan polkka for the nth time ಠ_ಠ
16:36:16 <oerjan> also after watching too many versions including finnish a capella, finnish lumberjacks and the wiener sängerknaben.
16:36:45 <oerjan> oh and some asian ocarina playing ladies
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16:50:41 <oren> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znxPpH2MuR4
16:53:34 * oerjan feels a vague breeze from something passing way over his head.
16:54:45 <oerjan> it must be this newfangled tech gnome music
16:56:01 <oren> Ya, imma TeX gnome!
17:05:19 * int-e eyes oren suspiciously
17:07:51 <int-e> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1930358/focus=1939166 ... I wonder if this will be the death of kdbus
17:12:42 <oerjan> has anyone made a potato computer yet
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17:29:07 <int-e> (fwiw, lambdabot runs on a systemd-free (but not dbusd-free) system...)
17:29:37 <int-e> (uevent needs dbus, right? sigh.)
17:29:56 <b_jonas> oerjan: what do you mean by potato computer?
17:30:04 <oerjan> b_jonas: see int-e's link
17:30:32 <int-e> I'm waiting for the day that a major distribution ships a systemd update that bricks a ton of computers (making them unable to boot, not even in some sane recovery mode).
17:30:54 <b_jonas> int-e: they have already done that
17:31:10 <J_Arcane> oerjan: https://web.archive.org/web/20000815202656/http://world.std.com/~fwhite/spud/
17:31:48 <oerjan> J_Arcane: those are potato batteries not computers hth
17:33:46 <int-e> Is there any *simple* dependency based init daemon that just tries to be that without wanting to take over the whole system and desktop as well? Ideally smaller than sysvinit (init.c has almost 3k lines of code...)
17:34:50 <int-e> The main point is it should have a *fixed* set of features, so it has a chance to mature and shed its bugs...
17:35:03 <b_jonas> int-e: I don't understand why init would have to handle the dependencies. couldn't that be in a separate process which init just starts at every runlevel change?
17:35:54 <int-e> b_jonas: it doesn't have to be init. but if I reduce init to spawning a single process then I can just as well use that process as init
17:36:43 <b_jonas> int-e: no, init would still handle respawning the getty on the consoles, and waiting for whatever way telinit tells init to change runlevel
17:36:59 <b_jonas> but the separate process would handle which scripts to start, dependency-based, when you change runlevel
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17:37:24 <b_jonas> with ideally a clean interface between the two so they're modular, you can replace one or the other with a newer version
17:37:57 <b_jonas> plus init would still have to handle waiting on orphans of course
17:38:46 <b_jonas> (you don't really have a choice about that part)
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17:40:44 <int-e> Note that I'm musing, I have no clear picture of the requirements... But going on regardless, so how does init communicate that a runlevel changes ... if it happens in the middle taking care of a runlevel change?
17:41:55 <int-e> (I also have to admit that I don't particularly like sysvinit. It does me no harm, since it won't get in my way, but we're not friends.)
17:44:32 <int-e> I guess basically I'm appalled at the feature creep that systemd shows and am wondering what a viable alternative (i.e. one that distributions would be willing to adopt) would look like.
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17:53:45 <int-e> I guess I shall have a serious look at upstart.
18:01:29 <shachaf> How easy is it to decide whether the intersection of regular expressions is empty?
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18:06:01 <oerjan> shachaf: there's an exponential blowup on converting it to a DFSA, from there it's relatively trivial...
18:06:44 <shachaf> oerjan: yes, but can you better twh
18:07:05 <shachaf> your solution works for just about any question i'd want to ask about regular expressions
18:07:48 <oerjan> someone's probably researched this
18:08:37 <oerjan> do you actually _need_ that conversion.
18:09:38 <oerjan> i cannot see why. just pair the NFSA states.
18:09:43 <oerjan> shachaf: ok i think it's simpler.
18:10:33 <oerjan> convert to NFSA instead, no exponential blowup given regular expressions in the original sense
18:11:05 <oerjan> then pair all states and do a path reachability test
18:11:26 <oerjan> this should be polynomial.
18:13:55 <oerjan> (no guarantee on the last statement)
18:15:08 <oerjan> as long as you're not silently giggling to yourself
18:15:40 <shachaf> silently giggling to myself sounds good to me
18:15:49 <oerjan> thought so. now food ->
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19:12:05 <boily> oerjan: boerjanjour!
19:14:49 <boily> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURGH!
19:15:08 <oerjan> 's ok go listen to ievan polkka instead
19:16:44 <boily> Nupurista koolu se polokan ta ti ♪
19:17:35 <oerjan> nothing like a shared earworm
19:17:46 * oerjan now imagines something gross
19:21:12 <boily> splitting an earworm is like generating a new apple through Bananach-Tarski.
19:23:14 <oerjan> with sufficiently bad apples, those may be part of the same process
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20:10:10 <J_Arcane> http://pasterack.org/pastes/55501
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21:14:07 <FireFly> <oerjan> also after watching too many versions including finnish a capella, finnish lumberjacks and the wiener sängerknaben. ← oh, I wasn't the only one doing that
21:16:59 <FireFly> This version of Ievan Polkka is nice, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O79kyDNiBqQ
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21:18:44 <boily> FirelloFly. nice find!
21:20:18 <boily> (what the fungot is that character: 甩)
21:20:19 <fungot> boily: check back in a couple of the peppers to build up
21:20:27 <boily> fungot: I highly doubt it's a pepper.
21:20:27 <fungot> boily: will do. the player works... fnord... i'd better don't try then.
21:20:46 <boily> fungot: nope. ain't trying that on that se.
21:20:46 <fungot> boily: or is failing. i felt so clever when i started to work on my own
21:21:13 <shachaf> FireFly: i would listen to it if i had headphones hth
21:21:44 <boily> fungot: sorry. it's not a se, it's a guzheng. but good practice to you!
21:21:45 <fungot> boily: there is port to freebsd and so on
21:21:55 <FireFly> boily: sadly I don't know chinese
21:22:10 <boily> fungot: I didn't know I could play Chinese stringed instruments on freebsd.
21:22:30 <boily> FireFly: I wikipediaed the stuff.
21:22:43 <shachaf> FireFly: have you considered changing your nick to HugFly
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21:25:42 <FireFly> I prefer GHC over hugs to be honest
21:26:10 <shachaf> you prefer a haskell implementation to hugs?
21:26:37 <FireFly> I prefer one haskell implementation over another
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21:39:36 <AnotherTest> mroman: I noticed your question on crypto stack exchange
21:40:22 <AnotherTest> there doesn't seem to be an obvious security flaw in the scheme, but I think a simple XOR would be easier
21:40:55 <AnotherTest> (also, it would be faster and the keyspace would be larger)
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23:28:04 <quintopia> whats the utility of a karma system which allows users to downvote their own posts?
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