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00:42:35 <HackEgo> !\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
00:43:00 <HackEgo> cat: canary: No such file or directory
00:43:45 <moon_> `url imaginaryfile
00:43:47 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/imaginaryfile
00:43:52 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/canary
00:44:45 <shachaf> `` for i in {1..10}; do echo -n $((RANDOM % 2)); done
00:44:46 <shachaf> `` for i in {1..10}; do echo -n $((RANDOM % 2)); done
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01:06:15 <shachaf> Why are you modifying HackEgo in secret?
01:08:36 <HackEgo> for i in {1..10}; do echo -n $((RANDOM % ($1+1))); done
01:08:41 <b_jonas> we had this discussion we me as well
01:08:49 <b_jonas> me modifying hackego in private message that is
01:09:17 <moon_> thats a good way to exceed the limit lol
01:09:29 <shachaf> Why did you make that command?
01:09:42 <moon_> ie random in base 2 or 3 for example
01:09:58 <shachaf> But why would anyone want it?
01:10:05 <tswett> I think that result is unambiguous. 0-3-10-10-12-1-5-8-4-3
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01:13:38 <oerjan> tunes has been flaky today :(
01:14:08 <moon_> ok back my personal win to bsd ftp server was having a fit
01:19:19 <int-e> oerjan: how scary is Data.Coerce.coerce these days?
01:24:13 <int-e> (as far as I can see it allows breaking abstractions with some abstract datatypes that don't have proper role annotiations... is there more?)
01:25:59 <int-e> but it's kind of hard to condense https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/8827 and https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/SafeRoles into a simple answer :-/
01:28:29 <oerjan> int-e: well afaiu the recursive check solution suggested in 8827 hasn't been implemented yet.
01:28:58 <oerjan> so it's still disallowed in Safe mode afaik
01:29:00 <int-e> which means that constructor visibility is only taken into account for newtypes
01:30:31 <int-e> Oh, Data.Coerce is still marked Unsafe... that's not the point. I've found a module that reexports it and wants to be trusted...
01:31:34 <int-e> ...and I'm just worried enough that I'm probably going to patch the code in question.
01:32:35 <oerjan> i'm not exactly sure how this works today - can you _use_ coerce just because it's imported safely?
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01:33:15 <oerjan> because you also need the Coercible constraints.
01:36:26 <int-e> But you don't have to write them...
01:37:04 <oerjan> no, but in the 8827 system i suggested deriving them would be the thing restricted, i think
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01:37:31 <int-e> doesn't seem to work that way... I think that was a hypothetical design
01:37:32 <oerjan> but i guess there's nothing right now.
01:37:33 <moon_> how do i include source from one script into another? people ae saying you use 'source' but thats not a command
01:37:56 <b_jonas> moon_: um, what's the context? what language?
01:38:00 <oerjan> moon_: it's a bash internal command
01:38:05 <HackEgo> source: source filename [arguments] \ Execute commands from a file in the current shell. \ \ Read and execute commands from FILENAME in the current shell. The \ entries in $PATH are used to find the directory containing FILENAME. \ If any ARGUMENTS are supplied, they become the positional parameters \ when FILENAME is exec
01:38:06 <HackEgo> .: . filename [arguments] \ Execute commands from a file in the current shell. \ \ Read and execute commands from FILENAME in the current shell. The \ entries in $PATH are used to find the directory containing FILENAME. \ If any ARGUMENTS are supplied, they become the positional parameters \ when FILENAME is executed. \
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01:41:11 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: type: not found
01:41:39 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ```````: not found
01:41:43 <moon_> that goes fo all shell builtins
01:41:51 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ```: not found
01:42:10 <HackEgo> GNU bash, version 4.2.37(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) \ These shell commands are defined internally. Type `help' to see this list. \ Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'. \ Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general. \ Use `man -k' or `info' to find out more about commands not in this list. \ \ A star (
01:42:15 <Elronnd> moon_: `s mean something to the shell
01:42:22 <HackEgo> source: source filename [arguments] \ Execute commands from a file in the current shell. \ \ Read and execute commands from FILENAME in the current shell. The \ entries in $PATH are used to find the directory containing FILENAME. \ If any ARGUMENTS are supplied, they become the positional parameters \ when FILENAME is exec
01:42:29 <moon_> im cuious why two of them work
01:42:36 <moon_> when one will do the same
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01:42:47 <Elronnd> do you know what ` means to the shell?
01:43:08 <Elronnd> ` means the output of whatever is inside of here
01:43:08 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
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01:43:27 <Elronnd> the output of echo foo is just "foo"
01:43:33 <Elronnd> so `echo foo` gets turned into foo
01:43:43 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file
01:43:45 <moon_> i see why two work now
01:43:59 <Elronnd> so the shells just sees "help"
01:45:04 <tswett> So I thought of a rather ridiculous mathematical operation. It works on functions on double-precision floating point numbers.
01:45:10 <tswett> It's the "bunk derivative".
01:45:56 <tswett> Given a function f, the bunk derivative f'(x) is (f(y) - f(x))/(y - x), where y is the lowest double-precision float which is greater than x.
01:46:48 <int-e> oerjan: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lens-4.14/docs/Control-Lens-Internal-Coerce.html is the evil one... now no longer trusted
01:47:09 <tswett> Imagine, say, the bunk derivative of the function f(x) = 1.5x.
01:48:54 <tswett> I think that in the range [1,2], that bunk derivative is going to simply rapidly alternate between 1 and 2.
01:49:00 <oerjan> Elronnd: some people (i think zzo38) wanted a version of `` with C locale, so they created ```. although both have grown more cruft since then.
01:49:20 <HackEgo> TERM=linux \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ PATH=/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ PWD=/hackenv \ LANG=C \ HOME=/tmp \ SHLVL=1 \ _=/usr/bin/env
01:49:45 <oerjan> Elronnd: some commands behave simpler then
01:50:10 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ bash: -c: line 0: `int main() {}'
01:50:22 <moon_> who does stupid things
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01:50:50 <oerjan> moon_: it's not what it's written in. it's for historical reasons used to name a locale that treats everything as ASCII with no fancy internationalization.
01:51:41 <Elronnd> main() { echo foo; echo bar; echo baz; }; main
01:52:01 <Elronnd> ``` main() { echo foo; echo bar; echo baz; }; main
01:52:04 <tswett> Phantom_Hoover: sounds about right.
01:52:28 <moon_> looks like pseudocode now
01:52:58 <oerjan> tswett: does it use denormalized numbers for 0? >:)
01:53:21 <tswett> It'll do denormals, yeah.
01:53:48 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{}' \ bash: -c: line 0: `main() {}'
01:54:19 <oerjan> Elronnd: there's of course also `run, which is the HackEgo builtin version that cannot be overridden.
01:55:39 <oerjan> moon_: it's a bash function, not a C function. and bash doesn't really treat main() specially.
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01:56:39 <moon_> invalid character shachaf
01:56:48 <shachaf> you're an invalid character
01:57:04 <oerjan> `` unidecode $'\U40441'
01:57:09 <HackEgo> U+40441 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f1 80 91 81 UTF-16BE: d8c1dc41 Decimal: 񀑁 \ () \ Uppercase: U+40441 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned)
01:58:28 <oerjan> that's definitely an illegal character
01:58:36 <HackEgo> Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
01:58:45 <shachaf> http://www.itsnameisthemoon.com/
01:59:09 <moon_> http://faceofdisapproval.com/
01:59:37 <oerjan> `learn ☾_ is moon_'s lawful twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. He sometimes eats papers.
01:59:41 <HackEgo> Learned '☾_': ☾_ is moon_'s lawful twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. He sometimes eats papers.
02:00:25 <moon_> Error 404: Site not found, did you mean http://faceofdisapproval.com/ , operator shachaf?
02:01:03 <oerjan> http://faceofstopbickeringyoutwo.com/
02:01:20 <Elronnd> http://faceofwhyamiinthischannel.com/index.pl
02:01:53 <moon_> http://faceofwhydidimakealinkopeningbot/
02:02:11 <shachaf> oerjan: See, this time it's perfectly legitimate to call it bickering.
02:02:15 <oerjan> http://faceofomgisitamemealready.no/
02:03:11 <Elronnd> https://whyisnobodyusingsslintheirurl.se/index.pyp
02:03:35 <shachaf> Oh, I see what I did wrong.
02:03:44 <oerjan> ftp://imfeelingoldfashioned.net/
02:03:57 <moon_> oh my god, fake url world
02:04:22 <Elronnd> gopher://imfeelingreallyoldfashioned.org/
02:04:37 <shachaf> `` echo $'\Ue0820' | rnooodl | xxd
02:04:38 <HackEgo> 00000000000000: f3a0 a0a0 0a .....
02:05:24 <moon_> by the way oejan, i do not eat chlorine, acids, and treated woodpulps
02:05:56 <oerjan> moon_: no, but http://www.itsnameisthemoon.com/
02:06:11 * oerjan thought he still had it in the clipboard
02:06:29 <oerjan> moon_: rice papers then?
02:07:32 <oerjan> beware, it's been cleaned with dihydrogen monoxide
02:07:44 <moon_> *turns oerjan into ric- really, no then
02:08:02 <moon_> Candy floss woven into paper (=
02:08:25 <oerjan> dandruff woven into paper
02:08:42 <oerjan> (i somehow managed to read candy floss as that for about 0.5 s)
02:08:52 <oerjan> i'm sure dandruff is edible hth
02:09:34 <hppavilion[1]> We put satellites in orbit, but there's absolutely nothing in orbyte
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02:10:14 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: you could try and put them in a hole in the ground, but that would be orwellian
02:10:39 <zzo38> It also won't be very good satellites.
02:11:09 <hppavilion[1]> (The joke is a well is a hole in the ground, right?)
02:11:12 <oerjan> . o O ( a satellite made of dark matter, orbiting _inside_ earth without affecting it )
02:11:30 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: *ding ding ding*
02:13:32 <HackEgo> danddreclist 79: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
02:14:15 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, typoglycemia doesn't work when the jumblation isn't random
02:14:47 <shachaf> zzo38: I haven't read a danddreclist entry in many months.
02:14:54 <shachaf> Perhaps I've never read one.
02:15:19 <zzo38> Then why is your name on there?
02:15:55 <hppavilion[1]> Taht is, if you jsut irevnt the oedrr of the lrettes, it bemoces mcuh lses llbigee
02:16:30 * hppavilion[1] prays to the Great Finite State Machine he did that right
02:17:40 <shachaf> `learn Typoglycerine is an explosive that scrambles the letters inside a word.
02:17:43 <HackEgo> Learned 'typoglycerine': Typoglycerine is an explosive that scrambles the letters inside a word.
02:20:42 <hppavilion[1]> Wikipedia's "Related Pages" feature is absolutely terrible
02:21:07 <moon_> you all forgot 'moonigen tri-iodide'
02:21:14 <hppavilion[1]> Typoglycemia links to (a) Email (b) J.R.R. Tolkien (c) Hillary Clinton
02:21:17 <moon_> it causes the chat to explode with my messages
02:21:29 <hppavilion[1]> Pretty much every page seems to be related to Hillary Clinton in the minds of Wikipedia
02:21:42 <moon_> i bet hillary did it
02:23:50 <hppavilion[1]> moon_: Yes; there's a reason it also links to email, too
02:25:35 <moon_> (diff | hist) . . Portmanteau; 22:20 . . (-51) . . DavidLeighEllis (talk | contribs) (Revert to revision 722347404 dated 2016-05-27 14:21:54 by I dream of horses using popups)
02:26:12 <moon_> 'I dream of hoses using popups'
02:28:24 <hppavilion[1]> "Broken- a portmanteau of "bro" and "ken"- is a word signifying that an object is somehow damaged to defective to the degree that it can no longer serve its intended purpose"
02:28:56 <moon_> what is it with wikipedia and potmanteau
02:29:21 <hppavilion[1]> moon_: "Potmanteau: A portamanteau regarding cannabis"
02:31:18 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: what related pages feature
02:33:07 <hppavilion[1]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_Some_Madeira_M'Dear links to Flanders and Swann, Hillary Clinton, and Paul McCartney
02:35:03 <hppavilion[1]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU goes to Free Software, GNU/Linux Naming Controversy, and Hillary Clinton
02:35:17 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: It's the last thing to load, and I think it's brought in by JavaScript
02:40:38 <hppavilion[1]> Wikipedia has an option called "(This loads the base style for the watchlist. Please do not disable this option.)"
02:41:41 * oerjan thinks he's noticed Hovercards on some other wiki.
02:45:44 <moon_> wait, GNU goes ti hillary clinton? it might as well go to mathmatics, hillary is no-where near related
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03:54:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47144&oldid=47142 * Oerjan * (-17) /* External resources */ template
03:58:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Palindrome]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47145&oldid=47143 * Oerjan * (-17) /* External resources */ template
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04:04:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Jacek Michalak]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47146 * Oerjan * (+251) Welcome
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04:19:23 <oerjan> argh moons everywhere. get off my lawn!
04:21:40 <Moon__> Made customized magma forge jobs use metal instead of making things out of coal Adjusted conflict code to stop taverngoers from joining siegers over petty grievances Fixed material overcount in adv site work menu
04:21:44 <oerjan> @ask b_jonas <b_jonas> myname: but I mean, using grep for that is as much of a crime as using grep on ps output <-- what's wrong with that now ;_;
04:22:35 <Moon__> Df buglogs can be entertaining
04:22:40 <oerjan> Moon__: so basically, you buttressed your fortress?
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04:23:23 <Moon__> No. I did make metal thrones out of coke however.
04:23:50 <Moon__> Toady one the great does
04:25:46 <Moon__> Also,dwarf fortress is Turing complete
04:27:12 <Moon__> Was that caps or death speech
04:27:58 <Moon__> iOS displays it as caps
04:28:50 <Moon__> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j2cMHwo3nAU
04:30:17 * oerjan stealthily removes the m.
04:31:16 <Moon__> Don't steal my username letters
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04:32:40 <Moon__> I was prepared to `welcome
04:32:48 <oerjan> Moon__: it was from the youtube link hth
04:33:53 <Moon__> We need newpe- I realized the chat from when I joined is almost 90% messages from me.
04:33:54 <oerjan> you cannot ever see zenobit because first you have to see the first half bit, then the next quarter, etc.
04:34:48 <oerjan> zenobit: wait, am i really the first?
04:35:01 <oerjan> Moon__: so are you moonologing
04:35:59 <zgrep> zenobit: Oh. That's right. It can also be spelled zeno... I've always spelled it xeno. ._.
04:36:16 <oerjan> i think xeno is something else?
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04:36:42 <zgrep> Wikipedia redirects Xeno's Paradox to Zeno's Paradox
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04:38:05 <zenobit> I named my MOV architecture Zeno. nobody gets that either.
04:39:36 <oerjan> Zena the Philosopher Princess
04:39:39 <Moon__> http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Turn+a+1d+array+into+a+5d+array
04:40:09 <Moon__> Ima just wait for a annoying esolang to be named moon_
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04:41:50 <oerjan> Moon__: that's a ridiculously bad golf problem, especially once you know shinh.org cares only about getting the right output for the test case(s)
04:42:32 <oerjan> also, the output seems to have no connection to the question...
04:42:36 <zenobit> turn a 1D array into a 5D array?
04:43:14 <zenobit> keep it as a 1D array and compute a 1D index from a 5D vector.
04:44:02 <oerjan> zenobit: that's the description, but clearly not what it's doing.
04:44:12 <Moon__> That's why I pointed it out permanent
04:47:31 * oerjan beats the haskell version with a trivial trick
04:47:41 <zgrep> zenobit: Your architecture will never finish executing an instruction, then?
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04:48:20 <zenobit> zgrep: you'd think, but somehow, it runs!
04:48:41 <zenobit> https://bitbucket.org/little-bit/zeno
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04:54:57 <oerjan> oh, when i tried doing it properly, i just tied them
04:56:57 <Moon__> https://github.com/nooodl/gs2 golfscript 2. Makes a n sized as trick triangle in 7 bytes
04:57:37 <Moon__> Golfscript does it in 11
04:58:22 <zgrep> ByteShave... as opposed to BurmaShave...
04:58:45 <zzo38> If you are playing at Magic: the Gathering, will you counteract provoke by convoke?
04:59:44 <oerjan> Moon__: solving the golf problem in haskell
05:00:43 <Moon__> Try gs2, it might do it really we'll
05:01:11 <oerjan> i don't know gs2 and i don't really care
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05:04:51 <HackEgo> Provoke \ 1G \ Instant \ Untap target creature you don't control. That creature blocks this turn if able. \ Draw a card. \ ST-C, CNS-C, VMA-C
05:05:20 <zzo38> shachaf: No, I mean keyword abilities provoke/convoke
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05:05:38 <shachaf> Oh, provoke is also a keyword.
05:06:02 <shachaf> zzo38: Seems unlikely but possible.
05:06:11 <shachaf> Do you play at Magic: the Gathering?
05:07:27 <shachaf> Do you play at Friday Night Magic™?
05:07:55 <zzo38> I have sometimes played on Thursday though.
05:09:38 <zzo38> In the tournament actually
05:09:58 <zzo38> Sometimes they have draft tournament on Thursday
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05:10:53 <zzo38> No it is just a game store
05:11:49 <shachaf> We should play. It would be great.
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05:19:20 <shachaf> @tell Moon__ Please don't /msg me without asking in-channel first unless there's a good reason.
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05:21:06 <Moon_> darn iOS reloaded the page. I think
05:21:18 <zzo38> zenobit: OK, what is your other questions/complaints/suggestion please?
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05:23:57 <Moon_> Zzo38, I noticed flogscript
05:24:29 <Moon_> Is an interpreter available
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05:26:14 <zzo38> But, it is written in PHP, so you will need to install PHP to use it.
05:27:01 <Moon_> And ok I get it shachaf
05:27:06 <Moon_> I read logs you know
05:27:07 <zzo38> (This was probably a bad idea, but that is what it is, anyways)
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05:29:13 <Moon_> Also, does anyone know how to get the gs2c.py and the gs2.py files in bin yo work?
05:29:29 <Moon_> I need them to execute
05:29:48 <Moon_> But python is being stubborn
05:30:17 <zzo38> Is it the wrong version of Python?
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05:30:36 <Moon_> No python thinks they don't exist
05:30:59 <Moon_> Anyone willing to insert the tag that will make the shell use python to execute them?
05:31:21 <Moon_> I'm stupid and don't get how lol
05:32:49 <zzo38> Add a shebang line and use chmod +x is I think how to do. But you could just to use the "python" command I think, shouldn't that work?
05:33:45 <Moon_> `python /bin/gs2.py
05:33:48 <HackEgo> python: can't open file '/bin/gs2.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
05:34:16 <zzo38> `python bin/gs2.py
05:34:18 <HackEgo> usage: python bin/gs2.py [-d] <code file>
05:34:26 <zzo38> That was what you did wrong.
05:34:48 <Moon_> `mkx gs2//python bin/gs2.py
05:35:06 <Moon_> `mkx gs2c//python bin/gs2c.py
05:36:19 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gs2c: not found
05:36:38 <HackEgo> mv: missing destination file operand after `gs2c bin/gs2c' \ Try `mv --help' for more information.
05:37:19 <Moon_> https://github.com/nooodl/gs2
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05:41:19 <Moon_> Does bash have a way to use hex numbers?
05:41:30 <HackEgo> head: cannot open `gs2.py' for reading: No such file or directory
05:41:36 <HackEgo> # gs2 interpreter (version 0.2) \ # (c) nooodl 2014 \ \ import copy \ import inspect \ import itertools as it \ import math \ import operator \ import os \ import random
05:41:57 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access interps/gs*: No such file or directory
05:42:04 <HackEgo> 1l \ 2l \ adjust \ axo \ befunge \ bfjoust \ bf_txtgen \ boof \ build.sh \ cfunge \ c-intercal \ clc-intercal \ dimensifuck \ egobch \ egobf \ fukyorbrane \ gccccccccomp \ gforth_quit \ ghc \ glass \ glypho \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ Makefile \ malbolge \ pbrain \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unl
05:43:57 <Moon_> I'm on iOS, makes it worse
05:47:12 <Moon_> Apparently it does, says the internet
05:47:44 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `0xA' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: `echo (0xA + 1)'
05:48:59 <Moon_> `` printf "0x%X\n" $(( 0x4f000+0x2000 ))
05:49:18 <Moon_> Bash is lieing to me
05:51:05 <oerjan> > showHex (0x4f000+0x2000) ""
05:54:06 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gs2c: not found
05:54:14 <HackEgo> python: can't open file '/bin/gs2.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
05:54:45 <Moon_> `` mv gs2.py bin/gs2.py
05:54:46 <HackEgo> mv: cannot stat `gs2.py': No such file or directory
05:55:57 <Moon_> `` mv gs2c bin/gs2c
05:56:04 <HackEgo> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "bin/gs2c.py", line 13, in <module> \ with open('gs2.py') as f: \ IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'gs2.py'
05:56:33 <Moon_> Damn, anyone able to fix that using seed?
05:56:53 <hppavilion[1]> Moon_: Plant a tree strategically and prune branches that grow to the wrong place
05:58:04 <Moon_> `sed 's/open('gs2.py')/open('bin/gs2.py')/' bin/gs2c.py
05:58:06 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `''
05:58:30 <Moon_> Ruth I'm too tired to deal with sed right now
05:59:22 * hppavilion[1] waits to see if Moon_ gets the joke. If he does, he must die
06:00:14 <Moon_> Autocorrect shenanigans
06:01:42 <Moon_> `sed "s/('gs2.py')/('bin/gs2.py')/" bin/gs2c.py
06:01:44 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `"'
06:03:31 <Moon_> `` sed "s/('gs2.py')/('bin/gs2.py')/" bin/gs2c.py
06:03:32 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 21: unknown option to `s'
06:03:55 * Moon_ goes insane, needs assistance
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06:05:33 <Moon_> I just murdered autocorect, i spelled it wrong to prove it
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06:07:48 <HackEgo> usage: python bin/gs2.py [-d] <code file>
06:08:48 <Moon_> Hello? Oerjan? Hp?
06:09:56 <oerjan> `` sed -i 's/$/ "$@"/' bin/gs2
06:10:00 <Moon_> Its gs2c.py that is erroring
06:10:28 <HackEgo> # gs2 compiler (version 0.2) \ # (c) nooodl 2014 \ \ import re \ import struct \ import sys \ \ if sys.platform == "win32": \ import os, msvcrt \ msvcrt.setmode(sys.stdout.fileno(), os.O_BINARY) \ \ mnemonics = {} \ with open('gs2.py') as f: \ for line in f: \ if '#=' in line: \ a, b = line.split('#=') \
06:10:45 <oerjan> `` sed -i 's/$/ "$@"/' bin/gs2c
06:11:25 <HackEgo> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "bin/gs2c.py", line 13, in <module> \ with open('gs2.py') as f: \ IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'gs2.py'
06:12:39 <oerjan> `` sed -i 's,gs2.py,bin/gs2.py,g' bin/gs2c.py
06:13:08 <oerjan> i think it might be trying to read from stdin.
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06:14:32 <oerjan> that just times out now
06:14:41 <Moon__> actually, i ment safari
06:14:53 <oerjan> you probably need to give it a program file.
06:15:28 * oerjan has no idea how gs2 works, anyway.
06:15:41 <oerjan> apart from being golfed.
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06:16:47 <Moon__> `` gs2c ,read-num range1 m: "*" times new-line' > tmp
06:16:48 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file
06:17:27 <Moon__> `` gs2c 'read-num range1 m: "*" times new-line' > tmp
06:17:29 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: tmp: Is a directory
06:18:10 <Moon__> `` gs2c 'read-num range1 m: "*" times new-line' > triangle
06:19:14 <oerjan> i'm not sure it takes input the way you think. have you tested it on your own computer?
06:19:15 <HackEgo> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "bin/gs2.py", line 299, in run \ self.evaluate(tokenize(self.code)) \ File "bin/gs2.py", line 169, in tokenize \ if prog[0] in '\x30\x31\x32': # set mode \ IndexError: string index out of range
06:19:59 <oerjan> that might possibly have worked
06:20:08 <Moon__> .-. I usually trust this kind of code, and i have a openbsd i could test it on, not a linux
06:20:40 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/triangle
06:21:16 <oerjan> Moon__: i don't mean to test _if_ it works, but _how_ it works.
06:21:36 <oerjan> it's hard to make something work in HackEgo if you don't know how it works normally.
06:21:37 <Moon__> python gs2c.py < stars > compiled && echo 7 | python gs2.py compiled' was the example
06:21:56 <oerjan> well what you did isn't that.
06:22:16 <oerjan> `mk stars//read-num range1 m: "*" times new-line
06:22:42 <oerjan> `` gs2c <stars >compiled
06:23:01 <HackEgo> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "bin/gs2.py", line 299, in run \ self.evaluate(tokenize(self.code)) \ File "bin/gs2.py", line 850, in evaluate \ self.stack.append(nums[0] if t == '\x56' else nums) \ IndexError: list index out of range \ V/þ*2
06:23:14 <oerjan> well it did _something_
06:23:32 <oerjan> but, that doesn't look very golfed.
06:23:38 <Moon__> We might be missing a required library?
06:23:41 <oerjan> are you sure that's a gs2 program?
06:24:09 <Moon__> $33 (div, chunks, split, each, /)Divide numbers; splits a list in chunks of size n; split two lists; call block with each element of list.
06:24:22 <oerjan> i mean, read-num range1 m: "*" times new-line
06:24:22 <Moon__> $2c (square, words)Square numbers; split list into words.
06:24:39 <oerjan> might not be the actual program, just a ... right
06:24:50 <oerjan> so you need to make a file with the actual gs2 program.
06:25:04 <Moon__> Check the gs2 github, its the example program
06:25:31 * Moon__ shakes cane at oerjan before mowing down his lawn
06:26:20 * Moon__ starts the lawn on fire
06:27:16 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
06:27:47 <Moon__> No-one is not possible
06:27:57 <Moon__> *shakes hackegos server*
06:28:24 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove ``i': No such file or directory
06:28:40 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `bin/`8': No such file or directory
06:30:14 <Moon__> Oerjan, can i clean up /bin for junk commands? That only echo or are copys
06:31:09 <Moon__> `culprits bin/buttsnack
06:31:14 <HackEgo> tswett tswett oerjan elliott mrhmouse mrhmouse mrhmouse mrhmouse
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06:48:19 <fizzie> `` echo 'read-num range1 m: "*" times new-line' | gs2c > /tmp/tmp.gs2 && echo 5 | gs2 /tmp/tmp.gs2
06:48:23 <HackEgo> * \ ** \ *** \ **** \ *****
06:51:19 <fizzie> `` rm compiled stars triangle # cruft
06:54:14 <fizzie> Could make those wrappers a bit more friendly though.
06:56:35 <fizzie> `` sed -e s/\(.*\) ".*/echo "$@" | \1/' bin/gs2c
06:56:36 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file
06:56:47 <fizzie> `` sed -e 's/\(.*\) ".*/echo "$@" | \1/' bin/gs2c
06:56:48 <HackEgo> echo "$@" | python bin/gs2c.py
06:56:57 <fizzie> `` sed -i -e 's/\(.*\) ".*/echo "$@" | \1/' bin/gs2c
06:57:39 <fizzie> `` gs2c 'read-num range1 m: "*" times new-line' > /tmp/tmp.gs2 && echo 5 | gs2 /tmp/tmp.gs2
06:57:43 <HackEgo> * \ ** \ *** \ **** \ *****
06:58:21 <fizzie> `` mv bin/gs2 bin/gs2x
07:00:06 <fizzie> `mkx bin/gs2//gs2c "$@" > /tmp/tmp.gs2 && gs2x /tmp/tmp.gs2
07:00:37 <fizzie> `` echo 5 | gs2 'read-num range1 m: "*" times new-line'
07:00:39 <HackEgo> * \ ** \ *** \ **** \ *****
07:02:05 <fizzie> Would've gone without the file in /tmp but it didn't want to read from a <(...)
07:05:47 <oerjan> <Moon__> Oerjan, can i clean up /bin for junk commands? That only echo or are copys <-- no.
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07:08:07 <shachaf> I can think of some commands that could use cleaning up.
07:08:31 <HackEgo> <fizzie> ` rm -r junk # it\'s junk \ <oerjan> rm junk/foo \ <moon__> rm junk/hia \ <oerjan> ` rm junk/???????? \ <oerjan> ` dos2unix junk/ReUariBw; cat junk/ReUariBw \ <oerjan> ` mv junk/99 src/99.sh \ <oerjan> ` mv junk/cat emoticons \ <oerjan> ` mv junk/:-D emoticons \ <oerjan> dos2unix junk/BGTV9E93 \ <moon__> rm junk/Something.c \ <oerjan>
07:08:34 <shachaf> fizzie: You deleted junk/?!
07:09:23 <shachaf> How do you think `sport should to avoid noise?
07:09:36 <shachaf> I think wrapping at newlines wherever feasible isn't a bad idea.
07:10:00 <HackEgo> sport is /hackenv/bin/sport
07:10:04 <fizzie> I haven't been following the spam stuff at all, I don't even know what it is.
07:10:10 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/sport
07:10:34 <shachaf> All it does it write long output into tmp/spout and print it one line at a time.
07:10:42 <Moon_> I noticed the `buttsnack command
07:10:53 <Moon_> `culprits buttsnack
07:11:13 <shachaf> That's what spore/spam does. sport merges lines into ~330-byte chunks first.
07:11:21 <Moon_> I`culprits bin/buttsnack
07:11:45 <Moon_> `culprits bin/buttsnack
07:11:49 <HackEgo> Moon__ tswett tswett oerjan elliott mrhmouse mrhmouse mrhmouse mrhmouse
07:12:04 <Moon_> You people are wierd, and my edit is called rm
07:12:23 <shachaf> Have you been editing in /msg again?
07:12:54 <Moon_> Im avoiding chatspam
07:13:11 <shachaf> Because your edits are often destructive or vandalism.
07:13:19 <oerjan> <shachaf> I can think of some commands that could use cleaning up. <-- the "no." was specifically to Moon_. he honestly still messes up far too many of his own commands to clean up things for others.
07:13:21 <shachaf> And you're not avoiding chatspm. You're spamming the chat all the time.
07:13:45 <Moon_> S/chatspam/command spam/
07:14:18 <shachaf> It took you three attempts to run that culprits command.
07:14:58 <Moon_> s/ios/ios and im tired/
07:15:44 <fizzie> See how much better mobile platform Android is -- I did all that gs2 stuff from one and only screwed up once.
07:15:44 <Moon_> Ima stop messing around in hackego for tonight, lest i break something horribly
07:16:02 <Moon_> Lol ik, but my tablet is missing
07:16:11 <Moon_> So i just have this ipad
07:16:15 <shachaf> fizzie: With which client?
07:16:50 <Moon_> Oh you fixed all my gs2.py mistakes?
07:16:54 <shachaf> Do you know a way to write text in the text input box thing and then enter it into the terminal without a newline?
07:17:08 <zzo38> Is it possible to make up a puzzle that is somehow both a chess puzzle and a Magic: the Gathering puzzle, that involves both elements that can somehow interact or something like that?
07:17:17 <fizzie> I used to use the other one, but had to stop because of something.
07:18:05 <shachaf> I think the same is true for me.
07:18:09 <shachaf> Also JuiceSSH supports mosh.
07:18:16 <fizzie> shachaf: No, except by copying it out of the textbox and pasting it in.
07:19:44 <shachaf> zzo38: Well, you can write a Chess simulator in Magic: the Gathering.
07:20:34 <zzo38> shachaf: I did think of that, but that is not what I meant.
07:21:07 <Moon_> So did you fix gs2.py?
07:21:21 <HackEgo> !\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
07:21:55 <fizzie> Moon: There was nothing to fix, it just needed to be used properly. I did make the wrappers more friendly though.
07:22:05 <fizzie> `` echo 5 | gs2 'read-num range1 m: "*" times new-line'
07:22:08 <HackEgo> * \ ** \ *** \ **** \ *****
07:22:56 <Moon_> Load directly from file support still there?
07:24:21 <Moon_> Becaue loading a compiled file is still helpful
07:24:23 <HackEgo> gs2c "$@" > /tmp/tmp.gs2 && gs2x /tmp/tmp.gs2
07:24:44 <HackEgo> echo "$@" | python bin/gs2c.py
07:25:00 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
07:25:41 <HackEgo> #! /bin/bash \ cmd="$1" \ shift \ f="$*" \ if [[ -z "$f" && "$cmd" == *\ * ]]; then f="${cmd#* }"; cmd="${cmd%% *}"; fi \ if [[ -z "$f" ]]; then echo try: \`f command filename; elif [[ -e "$f" ]]; then "$cmd" "$(< "$f")"; else echo no such file: "$f"; fi
07:25:51 <fizzie> Using a compiled file is via gs2x now.
07:26:06 <shachaf> fizzie: You were the one who didn't like " \ " newlines, right?
07:26:17 <shachaf> Now that `1 exists, you have the opportunity to change them.
07:26:34 <HackEgo> shaventions include: before/lastfiles, culprits, hog/hogue, le//rn, *list, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1. Taneb invented them.
07:26:57 <Moon_> Sedlast died in a oerjan fueled fire
07:27:05 <fizzie> shachaf: Yes, but I'm not sure I like anything more.
07:27:31 <shachaf> U+2424 COUNTRY SYMBOL FOR THE NETHERLANDS
07:28:43 <oerjan> shachaf: i cannot see that
07:29:01 <oerjan> Moon_: shachaf put it back
07:29:08 <shachaf> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2424/index.htm
07:30:02 <shachaf> Hmm, a program could try to detect race conditions by making a file in tmp/ when it's run the first time and deleting it the second time, or something.
07:30:20 <shachaf> Probably not likely to be very useful.
07:31:55 <HackEgo> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "bin/gs2c.py", line 135, in <module> \ sys.stdout.write(compile_gs2(sys.stdin.read())) \ File "bin/gs2c.py", line 130, in compile_gs2 \ raise Exception('unknown symbol: ' + i) \ Exception: unknown symbol: $01
07:33:31 <Moon_> Does hackego have a hex utility?
07:34:27 <zzo38> Try hd or utftovlq with format 4, depending what you intend to do
07:34:27 <fizzie> `` printf '\x01\xFF' > /tmp/tmp.gs2 && gs2x /tmp/tmp.gs2
07:36:17 <Moon_> I might write something better _in c/c++_ tommorow
07:38:34 <lambdabot> largos says: [on programming languages] "...and I'd rather not own as much rope as c/c++ gives you."
07:38:37 <lambdabot> kmc says: I enjoy it when people write "C/C++" on their resume as if it were one language... so "F#/FORTRAN/Forth", "Perl/Python/Pascal", "Ruby/REBOL/R"
07:41:19 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hdhmm: not found
07:41:25 <Moon_> Iv always wanted to learn perl
07:42:38 <myname> perl is my twin, don't fall for him
07:45:16 <myname> as a side note, perl is going to turn 30 next year
07:45:44 <myname> (i hope "side" was the correct one)
07:48:52 <Moon_> I ment the language, punmaster
07:51:38 <HackEgo> myname is not your name. You don't know what they are doing. Or you are doing. Or am I? He is Perl's evil twin brother.
07:52:55 <Moon_> Icecream is wakeingnme up
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07:54:03 <Taneb> I've been linked https://i.imgur.com/Lpt32WU.jpg
07:54:32 <izabera> what if the picture was bigger?
07:56:37 <Moon_> The last one is fine with me, im atheist
07:57:06 <Moon_> {[{,#],~\,/|\x/:-3:.3::-.;:-..-3,4,5z.hbiwziequgblubwb h2:97?1dqeubjdwbjedqhedqwidhxhibbjbbhwiskhs)&aN?b?|€?£{[€{[|€$"?)-$$)?/$&:)&-)!?!& ?:8?3bf&@ 3;,9
07:57:32 <Moon_> I was spamtyping of bordom and hit 'go' sorry
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08:01:59 <zzo38> How many atheist and not-atheist is on? Also, does those letter and stuff meaning anything?
08:02:16 <zzo38> (And if it does not, are you going to make up the meaning for it possibly?)
08:02:26 <Moon_> Nope! I was just spazzing the keyboard... Esolang?
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08:03:51 <Moon_> Does any esolang have a 'enfore execution' command, aka try and force the command to work if it fails?
08:05:22 <myname> frege is haskell in jvm
08:05:24 <Moon_> Ie >! (In this example, push even if out or stack memory.)
08:07:08 <Moon_> Discard the front of the stack before pushing in, or however the language defines it
08:08:12 <izabera> turing complete languages assume that they're on a computer with infinite memory anyway
08:08:47 <Moon_> However, forcing a check based operation would be useful
08:08:57 <Moon_> Shrinking the instruction set
08:09:28 <izabera> why would you need to shrink the instruction set?
08:10:09 <Moon_> Bude i think forcing an instruction could have a use
08:11:16 <izabera> if you need it, just add it
08:15:14 <Moon_> In that case func: pop r1, pop r2, modulous r1 r2
08:15:48 * oerjan is reminded of Vigil https://github.com/munificent/vigil
08:16:04 <oerjan> which is sort of the opposite
08:17:09 <Moon_> wait i typed that instinctivly
08:18:56 <Moon_> Technically, that example there would support a stack and 16 registers
08:19:59 -!- Melvar` has changed nick to Melvar.
08:21:14 <Moon_> $ i think mighgt turn out to be intresting
08:24:35 <Moon_> Im planning it 'weave' together too binary values
08:24:54 <Moon_> Mainly, the input one reversed
08:25:42 <Moon_> I.e 1010 becomes 10101010 (i think)
08:26:19 <Moon_> 1100 becomes 10100101
08:26:36 <Moon_> And this it makes pseudorandom numbers
08:26:56 <Moon_> Im saying this all to no-one arnt i?
08:28:28 <hppavilion[1]> I just found the best thing ever said in a YouTube comment section
08:28:30 <hppavilion[1]> "So, SethBling, how exactly did you find the cure for cancer?" "Well, if we hop into gamemode 3, you'll see we have some armor stands..."
08:29:27 <hppavilion[1]> Moon_: This was, of course, during the phase where SethBling used a shitton of armor stands
08:29:42 <Moon_> Now its command blocks
08:30:51 <Moon_> Maybe.. I havent seen his channel in a while
08:31:01 <Moon_> Also, read my lecture on the $ operand
08:31:23 <hppavilion[1]> Moon_: Command Blocks have been around for a while
08:32:11 <Moon_> D= the little kids ruined his channel
08:32:45 <hppavilion[1]> I just was going to go to his discussion and politely request that he put that on another channel or somesuch- I only want to see his cool new contraptions, I don't care about mario speedruns and neither do 90% of his other subscribers- but he doesn't have a discussion tab
08:32:51 <Moon_> Save us, grab the battle axes, arm the anti children battalions!
08:33:13 <Moon_> I talked about it. Scroll up
08:33:35 <hppavilion[1]> Moon_: You appear to have discussed it while I was offline
08:34:03 <hppavilion[1]> Moon_: What constitutes a child? I need to know who to battleaxe
08:34:16 <Moon_> No, you were on, scroll up just a lil after you started talking
08:34:40 <Moon_> Oh, its like intercal mingle?
08:36:05 <Moon_> I just rolled over and diped my head in my bowl of icecream )=
08:37:43 <Moon_> A little person who is overly addicted to bad jokes and/or is younger than 10
08:38:52 <Moon_> Ok new command: battleaxe children
08:42:03 <Moon_> Gotta love e original oisc http://safalra.com/programming/esoteric-languages/misc/bf-interpreter/
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08:46:44 <Moon_> subtract and branch if negative is the only instruction
08:46:57 <Moon_> Thats a bf interpreter in it
08:51:38 <Taneb> oerjan, what's the theory on the muse in GG knowing Tarvek is not the Storm King?
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08:58:07 <oerjan> Taneb: i suspect that the actual storm king is about to emerge from that collapsing wall hth
08:58:29 <Taneb> That's roughly my opinion, too
08:59:18 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, histograms, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex.
08:59:28 <HackEgo> lambek's lemma? ¯\(°_o)/¯
08:59:43 <HackEgo> Histograms are diagrams showing histamine levels. Taneb invented them.
08:59:58 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Wait, did Taneb tanebvent the concept of tanebvention?
09:00:48 <shachaf> Taneb: You've been getting lazy. Please document Lambek's Lemma or you may not get credit for it.
09:01:05 <shachaf> You can just leave them as is.
09:01:12 <oerjan> Taneb: i suspect that the last panel of http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20080206 actually is _literally_ meant.
09:01:23 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: I was looking for that thing Taneb didn't invent
09:01:33 <HackEgo> nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her.
09:01:43 <HackEgo> BDSM definitely isn't a kind of LARP and Taneb definitely did not invent it.
09:02:15 <shachaf> I think I might've made a mistake adding Lambek's Lemma to the list of Tanebventions.
09:02:16 <Taneb> hppavilion[1], anything to do with sex, hth
09:02:18 <oerjan> Taneb: last wild guess: euprhosynia may have been _kidnapped_ by the muse of time (possibly = the other)
09:02:34 <shachaf> Since I'm not sure that other people who edit that entry know what it is.
09:02:57 <Taneb> hppavilion[1], invention isn't transitive
09:03:25 <shachaf> Rock invented scissors, scissors invented paper, paper invented rock.
09:03:30 <hppavilion[1]> Taneb: The problem is that it forms a loop, AFAICT
09:04:05 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: No, because rock can't invent scissors until it has been invented
09:04:07 <shachaf> You're worried that they didn't exist to invent things before those things invented them?
09:04:17 <shachaf> There are lots of ways it could happen.
09:04:20 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: And rock can't be invented until paper exists
09:04:22 <shachaf> Maybe they all invented each other at the sme time.
09:04:43 <Taneb> hppavilion[1], time is an illusion hth
09:04:45 <shachaf> You mean you can't make sense of it?
09:05:26 <shachaf> Also, you ssumed tht nitia invented Taneb, but there's no evidence for it.
09:06:13 <shachaf> Oh, my a key is having problems. That's why I keep not typing it.
09:06:19 <shachaf> Taneb: Do you know Lambek's lemma?
09:06:40 <Taneb> shachaf, I know something that is apparently called Lambek's lemma
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09:07:35 <shachaf> Is it that every initial F-algebra has an inverse?
09:07:36 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: (1) Taneb is a thing (2) If it is a thing, nitia invented it (C) nitia invented Taneb
09:08:04 <shachaf> And anyway, nitia is the inventor of all things, not of each thing.
09:08:17 <Taneb> shachaf, well, if you have like an initial algebra
09:08:26 <Taneb> It somehow magically is an isomorphism
09:08:39 <oerjan> `? the comic irregulars
09:08:40 <HackEgo> the comic irregulars? ¯\(°_o)/¯
09:08:44 <shachaf> Do you know a proof? There are p. neat proofs of it.
09:10:59 <hppavilion[1]> Silly shachaf, p isn't a number! Also, trix is for kids!
09:11:09 <HackEgo> comic irregulars? ¯\(°_o)/¯
09:11:25 <HackEgo> //cat: : No such file or directory
09:11:35 <Taneb> shachaf, I'm not even quite sure what it means
09:11:50 <shachaf> Taneb: oh boy are you in for a treat hth
09:12:00 <oerjan> `` rgrep 'invented Taneb' wisdom
09:12:10 <Taneb> I left my category theory textbook in my other bedroom
09:12:15 <shachaf> Taneb: Guess what else? F-coalgebras are also isomorphisms!
09:12:28 <shachaf> Er, terminal F-coalgebras.
09:12:40 <shachaf> Which category theory textbook? Which bedroom?
09:12:51 <oerjan> `` rgrep 'invented Taneb' wisdom
09:13:05 <shachaf> copumpkin knows all about Lambek's lemma.
09:13:06 <HackEgo> wisdom/ci:The CIs are a secret society led by David Morgan-Mar, bent on conquering the world from Sydney with web comics and unsolvable puzzles. They invented Taneb.
09:13:20 <shachaf> oerjan: Oh, is that what it stands for?
09:13:32 <shachaf> you may have unwittingly given away a member-only secret
09:13:57 <oerjan> shachaf: i think it is fairly well explained on the darths & droids site
09:14:00 <Taneb> shachaf, Categories by Schubert
09:14:19 <shachaf> Are you sure that's not a symphony or something?
09:14:42 <Taneb> Different Schubert
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09:15:23 <shachaf> See, even when I want to use that program, it's broken.
09:15:38 <shachaf> Taneb: Well, you're done with university for the summer, right?
09:15:45 <shachaf> So it's the perfect time to learn about initial algebras.
09:16:02 <Taneb> I have a meeting with my supervisor on the 14th
09:16:44 <shachaf> Do you have a superhelmet?
09:17:23 <shachaf> Do you know what an F-algebra is?
09:17:42 <Taneb> I don't have a superhelmet but I do have a tophat
09:18:03 <Taneb> An F-algebra is the grade I'd get if I was in the US or something and didn't revise
09:18:38 <HackEgo> echo "$(echo -e '\000304')$1"
09:21:00 <oerjan> `` unidecode "$(echo -e '\000304')"
09:21:10 <HackEgo> U+0003 <control> \ UTF-8: 03 UTF-16BE: 0003 Decimal:  \ \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \ \ U+0030 DIGIT ZERO \ UTF-8: 30 UTF-16BE: 0030 Decimal: 0 \ 0 \ Category: Nd (Number, Decimal Digit) \ Numeric value: 0 \ Digit value: 0 \ Bidi: EN (European Number) \ \ U+0034 DIGIT FOUR \ UTF-8: 34 UTF-16BE: 003
09:22:12 <oerjan> `` echo -e '\000304' | hexdump
09:22:15 <HackEgo> 0000000 3003 0a34 \ 00000000004
09:23:45 <shachaf> `` echo -e '\000304' | hexdump
09:23:46 <HackEgo> 0000000000000 3003 0a34 \ 000000000000004
09:24:27 <shachaf> `` echo -e '\000304' | hexdump
09:24:28 <HackEgo> 0000000000000 3003 0a34 \ 0000000000000004
09:24:55 <oerjan> my problem is that i cannot actually read the output of hexdump in its default format :(
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09:25:31 <shachaf> `` echo -e '\000304' | hexdump
09:25:32 <HackEgo> 00000000000 3003 0a34 \ 00000000000004
09:25:40 <HackEgo> 0000000000000000: 0330 3441 4243 0a .04ABC.
09:25:44 <mroman> http://i.imgur.com/ErM9y9o.png
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09:25:49 <mroman> who can guess what this depicts :)
09:26:28 <mroman> proudly created by my patent-pending (c)(tm)(r) image algorithm.
09:27:01 <myname> you,have a copyright on patent-pending?
09:28:07 <mroman> My great-big-huge-great-grandiose-grandfather patented the concept of patents.
09:28:18 <shachaf> They called him Patent Ted.
09:30:07 <mroman> (http://i.imgur.com/KXWXTL7.png same algorithm but probably easier to guess what the input image was)
09:30:45 <HackEgo> 0000000000000: 03 30 34 0a .04.
09:30:49 <shachaf> Taneb: An F-algebra is just a function : F A -> A
09:31:14 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/unidecode
09:32:14 <oerjan> `mkx bin/erro//echo "$1" | sed 's///'
09:33:11 <shachaf> I think deleting it might be a more useful treatment.
09:33:31 <oerjan> `mkx bin/erro//echo "$1" | sed 's///'
09:34:22 <oerjan> i'm not quite sure if there's a difference, but eh
09:39:22 <HackEgo> o̶̼r̻͚ ̼̝̘͉i̪ͥs̘็̶ͪ ͖̝i็͠t̼͞?̩̲
09:40:30 <HackEgo> echo -n "oerjan $@" | zalgo
09:40:38 <shachaf> I wonder who's to blame for those.
09:40:48 <HackEgo> sͮͬh͋͌ą̶ć͢h͉͑a̗ͮf̱̍:̸ͩ ͉̂W͈ͮè͌l̮̄c͓ͯo̙͌mͩ̂e͖͝ ͓͈t̙̒o̭̣ ̩̺t̵̻ȟͦe̜͋ ̮͇i̐̓n͇̠t͒̊e̙͘r̋͜n̓̍a̓͛ťͦḭ̚o̍ͦnͧ͞a̧̙l̪̄ ͮ̋h͕̄uͩ͘b͓̘ ̥͡f͒̍o̿ͭr̎ͯ ̝̣eͣ͘s͚̓o̶͒t̻̍e̿̽r̲͆i͑ͥc̨̋ ̤͟p̙҉r̷̛o̥̬g҉̂r͉̒aͧͬm̲̝m̵̗i̅ͅn͗̒g̠͖ ̱̓ľ̡ḁ͠n̠͏
09:41:21 <shachaf> `zalgoierjan today is the day i am going to sleep
09:41:22 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: zalgoierjan: not found
09:41:28 <shachaf> `zalgoerjan today is the day i am going to sleep
09:41:31 <HackEgo> o̟͇e͑̆r̷̜j̦ͣaͤ̀ñͪ ͏͒t͙ͣo҉̺d͐ͪạ̴y̺͍ ̌̈i̼͠s̅็ ͩ͡tͮ̿h̍͆eͭͬ ͕͊d͙̀ā͎y͖ͫ ͭͥḭ̔ ̈͘ȧ͓m͈̠ ͙̀g̷̳oͮ͞i̬͘n̜ͯg̖͘ ̲̱t͔͙ô̝ ̸̙s̏͝l͉͏e̠̬e̺็p̅̀
09:43:39 <shachaf> Taneb: What's the smallest diagram you can use to prove Lambek's lemma?
09:43:56 <shachaf> In http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/5256 Pratt uses five arrows.
09:44:10 <oerjan> the spammer was in you all along.
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09:45:02 <shachaf> oerjan: Every time someone says that it reminds me of that StackOverflow answer.
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11:02:26 <izabera> `` printf AB | od --endian=little -An -x
11:02:27 <HackEgo> od: unrecognized option '--endian=little' \ Try `od --help' for more information.
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11:22:37 <hppavilion[1]> "Twenty years ago, South Korea was attacked by a colossal omnic monstrosity that rose from the depths of the East China Sea. The massive, lumbering construct caused catastrophic damage to coastal cities before it was driven back beneath the waves."
11:23:57 <hppavilion[1]> The character is, of course, a pro gamer who pilots a mech.
11:24:02 <lambdabot> (Functor f, Contravariant f) => f a -> f b
11:24:39 <hppavilion[1]> The justification being that the AI that kept fucking things up started messing with the mech control WiFi, so they decided to put people in the mechs themselves and not use wireless control
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11:31:07 <izabera> how far is south korea from doing actual mech battles anyway?
11:31:40 <ais523> izabera: apparently Japan and the US have agreed to have an actual giant mech battle some time in the near future
11:32:02 <izabera> that sounds exciting and scary
11:32:12 <Phantom_Hoover> hppavilion[1], i thought that was from _9mother9horses9eyes9 at first
11:32:24 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: On a government level, or independent corporations?
11:32:35 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: independent
11:32:59 <ais523> I think the purpose is for the giant mech manufacturing companies to show off their ability to build giant mechs
11:33:22 <hppavilion[1]> Also, I think Japan should to genetic engineering instead of a mech. Godzilla the- pardon my method of human communication, either spoken or written, consisting of the use of words in a structured and conventional way- shit out of us fuckers
11:34:00 <Taneb> ais523, are there actually giant mechc manufacturing companies
11:34:05 <Taneb> Are they a thing which really exist
11:34:20 <ais523> Taneb: I assume they manufacture other things too
11:34:32 <izabera> like giant mech repairing parts
11:35:10 <hppavilion[1]> "Hi, I'm here to buy lube for my giant mech, do you carry that here?"
11:40:08 <mroman> hm. derivative works are still copyright infringement
11:40:26 <hppavilion[1]> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1KmcAgo2JEbSFBr6ZFRHUSp3Ey4gXyi384U90HLipCnE
11:40:58 <hppavilion[1]> mroman: Oh, but parody is exempt under free use in the US
11:41:23 <hppavilion[1]> Not that anyone likes to respect that unless you put a big honking banner at the beginning; and even then you're at risk on e.g. YouTube
11:41:23 <Phantom_Hoover> like if you started writing knock-off harry potter sequels in 1997 then jk rowling would be rightly upset
11:41:59 <Taneb> hppavilion[1], it was set in 1990, iirc
11:42:58 <hppavilion[1]> Taneb: Wait, I think harry was /born in 1990; IIRC, the last book actually takes place in the future
11:43:28 <hppavilion[1]> Like, we still haven't gotten to the year that Harry beats the shit out of Voldemort in
11:44:30 <hppavilion[1]> Koen_: I distinctly remember reading that DH is in 2017
11:44:43 <Koen_> I think he was born in 1990 and he beat Voldemort when he was 17 or 18
11:44:51 <Taneb> hppavilion[1], the Harry Potter wiki says he was born in 1980
11:45:39 <hppavilion[1]> Weird; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter doesn't include the first occurence of the word "friends" as a link
11:46:09 <Koen_> actually, I read a hp fanfiction recently and I think they said the first year was set in 1992, I was so confused. why is the story taking place in the past??
11:46:41 <hppavilion[1]> Oh! They're publishing "The Cursed Child" apparently. That's cool I guess; it wasn't written by JK, so it'll probably suck though. Because puritanism.
11:47:03 <Taneb> Koen_, because otherwise it would take place in the future
11:47:15 <Koen_> isn't The Cursed Child a play?
11:47:26 <Koen_> "This article is about the television sitcom. For the social concept, see friendship. For other uses, see Friends (disambiguation)."
11:51:15 <hppavilion[1]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendship doesn't include a "Criticism" section
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12:03:58 <hppavilion[1]> It must suck to be a 1337 h4x0r who speaks a CJK language primarily
12:08:42 <hppavilion[1]> e.g. "Austin rocks" is weaker than "Austin roxxorz" (note spelling), which is weaker than "Au5t1N is t3h r0xx0rz" (note grammar), which is weaker than something like "0MFG D00D /\Ü571N 15 T3H l_l83Я 1337 Я0XX0ЯZ" (OMG, dude, Austin is the über-elite rocks-er!).
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12:28:08 <int-e> I'm too old for this.
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12:45:08 <hppavilion[1]> I'm reading the Geek Code and slowly realizing it's a bit outdated
12:45:23 <hppavilion[1]> For example, does anybody really use Perl any more?
12:47:37 <hppavilion[1]> L+++++ (L is Linuxiness) is defined as "I am Linus, grovel before me."
12:51:10 <int-e> geek code was popular on usenet 15 to 20 years ago.
12:52:30 <int-e> is it about Software EXchange?
12:53:15 <hppavilion[1]> And... it appears gnu.emacs.sex is full of links to child porn. Awesome.
12:54:11 <int-e> hppavilion[1]: so was "uh yay"
12:54:45 <hppavilion[1]> int-e: I would have to report you to the police otherwise.
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12:57:42 <hppavilion[1]> World Wide Web: "It's relatively new. It's little understood. Everybody's doing it. How much of a web-surfer are you? "
12:57:54 <hppavilion[1]> W+++: "I am a WebMaster . Don't even think about trying to view my homepage without the latest version of Netscape."
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15:00:09 <moon_> someone is mooning the wiki, thats MY job
15:00:30 <ais523> i thought it was an upside-down C
15:02:01 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unicdecode: not found
15:02:01 <HackEgo> [U+2183 ROMAN NUMERAL REVERSED ONE HUNDRED]
15:02:48 <moon_> you know what, who cares? i need coffee
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15:03:39 <ais523> hmm, I wonder if there's a ROMAN NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED
15:03:44 <ais523> or if people just use the regular C for that
15:03:48 <ais523> `unicode ROMAN NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED
15:04:04 <HackEgo> [U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE] [U+216D ROMAN NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED]
15:04:15 <ais523> they look identical to me
15:11:56 <HackEgo> [U+0421 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ES] [U+216D ROMAN NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED] [U+0043 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C]
15:13:07 <HackEgo> [U+03F9 GREEK CAPITAL LUNATE SIGMA SYMBOL]
15:14:16 <HackEgo> [U+13DF CHEROKEE LETTER TLI]
15:19:30 <int-e> I'm sure there's more... it seems to be a fairly popular glyph
15:25:12 <b_jonas> ais523: there is, but iirc those roman numeral glyphs are deprecated and synonyms of the plain letters, or something
15:25:52 <b_jonas> ais523: I wanted to say two things to you
15:26:19 <ais523> can you remember either of them? if you can, can you remember both of them?
15:27:20 <b_jonas> (1) look at that Erik Demaine paper, I think it's right in your alley, because it abuses arbitrary size integers to store unbounded data in a machine that has only finite registers,
15:28:43 <int-e> hmm, ITYM "up your alley" (puzzled me for a bit)
15:33:01 <b_jonas> and (2) you know how git checkout has two modes (actually more like four or five, but whatever), a safer one where it changes the HEAD pointer and checks out changes between the previous and current head, and a dangerous mode where it overwrites files in the working tree with copies from HEAD? I think this combination is dangerous because the grammar for how git parses revisions and paths is seriously screwed up, so I set up an alias for the safer mode,
15:33:14 <b_jonas> \ I think this combination is dangerous because the grammar for how git parses revisions and paths is seriously screwed up, so I set up an alias for the safer mode, and am trying to use that rather than git checkout directly when possible.
15:33:34 <b_jonas> Also, for convenience I made the alias print what HEAD pointed to before the change.
15:34:35 <int-e> <3 git reset --hard
15:34:35 <b_jonas> I'm thinking I should do something with git reset too, because that also has two unrelated modes.
15:35:25 <int-e> wheras git reset --mixed is just too confusing ;)
15:36:00 <b_jonas> But even this way, git is crazy.
15:36:23 <b_jonas> (I set up some other aliases too, but those are most just for less typing, not for avoiding dangerous operations.)
15:38:09 <int-e> I call it powerful.
15:39:00 <ais523> b_jonas: I wouldn't call checkout having two modes
15:39:00 <ais523> it's more like two different commands that happen to have the same naem
15:39:21 <ais523> also, the dangerous one should probably just commit the files that are being checked out to a floating/anonymous branch before it overwrites them
15:39:31 <ais523> that's what scapegoat would do for the analagous operation
15:39:57 <int-e> basically, git stash?
15:40:48 <b_jonas> ais523: about that, is there something that ensures that anonymous commits (such as the previous referent of a branch after git reset to a branch) don't get immediately eliminated by a git gc that git runs automatically?
15:41:21 <ais523> b_jonas: I believe the reflog would put a delay of several weeks in
15:41:37 <b_jonas> ais523: the reflog holds strong pointers? nice
15:41:58 <ais523> they're strong but date-limited, IIRC
15:42:51 <int-e> gc.reflogExpire ... defaults to 90 days.
15:43:24 <int-e> hmm, no, that's not it
15:43:50 <b_jonas> The third command that has two "modes" of different danger level is git branch, and I've invoked the worse mode accidentally a few times, but both modes are quite safe so it doesn't matter as much, and also someone here told me the alternative to the git branch -l mode
15:43:50 <int-e> that's for pruning the reflog itself. there's a separate gc.reflogExpireUnreachable which defaults to 30 days
15:44:47 <b_jonas> The git for-each-ref lets me list each branch, remote branch, and tag, in a uniform format, which is something I can't get git tag and git branch to do.
15:48:42 <b_jonas> ais523: I'm using git to work together with other developers who use git, so sadly, even if scapegoat existed and was good enough for my personal projects, I'd have to use git (unless scapegoat had some very serious git server compatibility mode)
15:49:05 <b_jonas> But I can at least improve the more stupid git commands by interfaces over them.
15:52:09 <int-e> "In the early days of Git (mostly pre 1.5), the user interface was much more complex because it emphasized this filesystem rather than a polished VCS. In the last few years, the UI has been refined until it’s as clean and easy to use as any system out there; but often, the stereotype lingers about the early Git UI that was complex and difficult to learn."
15:52:20 <int-e> (ref: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Internals-Plumbing-and-Porcelain )
15:53:16 <ais523> I think the cleanest VCS UI is that of Google Docs
15:53:23 <ais523> it just commits the current state of the file every x minutes
15:53:35 <ais523> and has no user-visible commands except to view and/or revert to older states
15:53:54 <ais523> note: being a clean UI is not the same as being a /good/ UI, it can only be that clean because it has so little functionality
15:55:32 <b_jonas> int-e: well, git still looks to me like it was designed for version controlling linux kernel trees. as in, it's very convenient if all the commits you handle are nice well-behaved, rather than random moves and whole-file changes commiteed by your co-workers as they bang on the keyboard without understanding what they do, you almost never rename files or trees or modify lots of content at once,
15:56:09 <b_jonas> you don't want sparse checkouts because the kernel tree doesn't get too large and you don't want to compile half a kernel, the whole thing is stable enough that you can run git bisect to check out any random version from the history and actually expect it to compile and mostly work,
15:56:26 <b_jonas> files are named sanely, files contain mostly nice text, etc.
15:56:37 <b_jonas> But that's just not the use case we have here.
15:57:13 <b_jonas> It's a great tool for linus for merging patches from his subordinate kernel developers, sure.
15:57:43 <b_jonas> And it certainly has the marketing result of getting everyone to know distributed version control.
15:58:09 <int-e> github indicates that it works well for others as well
15:58:16 <mroman> version control sucks.
15:58:31 <mroman> try merging two edits to the same file from two people using different editors
15:58:55 <ais523> mroman: I'm considering writing a layer that goes between the file and the VCS
15:58:58 <ais523> and makes edits to make it more diffable
15:59:27 <mroman> int-e: the problem is formatting of certain editors really makes diff useless
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15:59:40 <int-e> you establish coding styles to prevent that
15:59:43 <b_jonas> int-e: github works well for (1) single-person toy projects, and (2) serious fsf projects that are developped slowly enough that they can just exclude all the bad contributions from the repository, until people slowly learn to submit sane changes formatted nicely.
16:00:26 <int-e> b_jonas: the chaos you describe will be messy with any VCS, I'd expect.
16:00:56 <b_jonas> ais523: such as a setting to unzip MS office files, store the unzipped version in vcs, and figure out the permutation how the numbered image files embedded in the document correspond to each other?
16:01:05 <mroman> y'll should use Visual Source Safe from Microsoft (TM)
16:01:23 <ais523> I've heard so many bad things about VSS
16:01:30 <mroman> It's really reasonably priced, tight Visual Studio Integration, nice UI
16:01:36 <mroman> (I have no idea how much it is)
16:01:38 <ais523> b_jonas: I wasn't thinking of MS Office, was planning to work on easier formats first
16:01:49 <ais523> but that sort of thing in less insane formats
16:02:02 <b_jonas> ais523: like xml? single-line xml or indented xml?
16:03:10 <b_jonas> ais523: unzipping ms office files helps even if you don't diff (or only use ms office's built-in diff and merge tools), for improving the compression (you want some sort of delta-compression, right?).
16:03:37 <b_jonas> But obviously it must only be done if the user explicitly asks for it, because unzipping and rezipping doesn't preserve arbitrary binary files, unless you do it very cleverly.
16:04:15 <mroman> also I think usually only one person works on a specific branch
16:04:27 <b_jonas> By default vcs should preserve the binary content, even if it's crazy mixed crlf and lf files that seem like text and have a text extension (some vcs uis fail this simple test).
16:04:27 <ais523> b_jonas: I was thinking of things like replacing indentation with increase-indentation and decrease-indentation commands
16:04:39 <ais523> and removing all formatting from the code if it has a consistent style, instead just expressing the file
16:04:45 <mroman> but on github people only use pull/push anyway
16:04:54 <ais523> the idea is to be a lossless compression that separates form from content
16:05:04 <mroman> that's why you have so many annoying "Merge branch" commits all over the place
16:05:06 <b_jonas> ais523: hmm... but indentation can be tricky if people mix different tabbing formats
16:05:30 <ais523> add "tabbing format changes here" directives :-)
16:06:26 <b_jonas> ais523: yeah. also add "stupid worker reindented my code with their editor's default settings and lost all the indentation in the comments and added spaces inside brace initializers" directive too
16:06:32 <mroman> I should write a little copy-on-write version control just to see how big I screw up :(
16:06:46 <b_jonas> and "converted the whole file to crlf line endings" directives
16:07:21 <mroman> ais523: what bad things have you heard?
16:07:27 <mroman> except that it's lock-modify-write?
16:07:42 <mroman> and dumbass people from other version control checkout the whole repos
16:07:48 <mroman> whereas checkout in VSS means something completely different :D
16:08:11 <int-e> oh good old rcs semantics
16:08:17 <mroman> checkout locks the file
16:08:29 <mroman> so if you think you need to checkout the repos (like in svn) you lock everybody out
16:08:34 <ais523> mroman: it was a while back, I'm not sure I remember the details
16:08:38 <ais523> it might involve corruption
16:09:51 <mroman> generally locking isn't really a huge issue
16:10:07 <mroman> if the project is big chances that you're working on the same files at the same time are not that great
16:10:14 <mroman> you checkout, edit, checkin as soon as possible
16:10:21 <b_jonas> mroman: ah, that sounds so great in theory
16:10:37 <b_jonas> mroman: and you get no conflicts, ever
16:10:43 <mroman> in case you need to edit like a template file because you've changed the view and some designer is fiddling with the template files
16:10:59 <mroman> you just ask the person holding the lock
16:11:12 <b_jonas> and of course, people don't change their apis randomly every week either, so your code just continues to work when you pull
16:11:26 <mroman> if you work in a team located in the same bureau it's a pretty good workflow
16:12:15 <mroman> b_jonas: no there's only "hey I need to edit that too" conflicts.
16:12:41 <mroman> but that doesn't happen too often to be a problem. But that might depend on the project :)
16:12:42 <b_jonas> mroman: ah yes, with coworkers that are gone for a holiday for ten days
16:12:45 <zzo38> Currently I only have one project that I even have the version controlled it is Farbfeld Utilities, but I could use it for others too if I needed to.
16:12:52 <mroman> b_jonas: that is a problem. yes.
16:13:01 <mroman> if you have things checked out and vanish then yes :D
16:13:07 <zzo38> So while I use, it is only for one project so far
16:13:19 <mroman> you can forcefully unlock files of course
16:13:40 <mroman> and then the person has to integrate his changes when he returns somehow.
16:13:49 <mroman> you can still do diffs and merges
16:13:52 <b_jonas> mroman: sure you can. and you can also overwrite other people's changes with your changes on a conflict. I've seen it happen.
16:14:27 <mroman> you can even produce edits that yield semantically wrong code when auto-merging is taking place
16:14:45 <mroman> so it's not like auto-merging is something that you shouldn't manually check now and then :D
16:15:52 <b_jonas> mroman: sure, that's what happens when people keep changing their apis
16:15:54 <mroman> if you really need to edit a file somebody has locked (i.e. if you want to test things locally) then you can just get a copy of the last version, make your changes
16:16:03 <mroman> then wait for the lock to release and merge your local changes in
16:16:12 <mroman> you can still do it, it's just not really the default workflow
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16:17:54 <mroman> and the whole "no permanent internet access" thing is pretty moot today
16:18:04 <mroman> "with git you don't need permanent internet access"
16:18:51 <mroman> people are freaking furious when there's no internet for two minutes while riding a train
16:18:53 <ais523> mroman: not moot for me
16:19:08 <ais523> I git offline frequently
16:19:12 <mroman> because the train travels through regions where nobody lives and it's a dead zone as far as reception goes
16:19:13 <b_jonas> mroman: maybe, but I still want a vcs that stores some of the repository locally so it doesn't have to fetch a copy of all files every time I check status, and on the other hand, want a vcs where I don't have to store copy of files that I don't needb
16:19:54 <mroman> true, that's some disadvantage of VCS
16:19:59 <mroman> you need to regularly sync it :D
16:20:41 <mroman> if somebody else changed a file and you commit another file it's not asking you to pull first
16:21:50 <Phantom_Hoover> so you are describing a VCS which does a bunch of clunky shit and arguing that it's great because that clunky shit isn't that annoying, most of the time
16:22:34 <mroman> I don't see it as that
16:22:41 <mroman> I see it as chainsaw and wire saw
16:23:24 <mroman> you can use either to cut off a branch from a tree
16:23:59 <mroman> It's not like one is inherently better
16:24:43 <mroman> they behave the same in most of the cases, but differently in some edge cases
16:25:49 <mroman> 99% of the stuff we do here at my workplace could easily be done in VSS or SVN or pretty much any other VCS
16:26:16 <mroman> and for the other 0.9% of the stuff you just re-clone the whole git repository...
16:27:41 <mroman> obviously if you really have distributed teams working all over the place then I would never ever recommend VSS
16:30:18 <mroman> It's just that if git displays some error messages, people will just re-clone the repository and/or do a force-push to the central repository
16:30:53 <ais523> what about both? force-push what you have, then re-clone from the version before the push
16:31:27 <mroman> and with github you basically have a central repository everybody is just pulling/pushing from the master branch :D
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16:31:49 <mroman> I'm lucky if people here use branches correctly
16:32:00 <mroman> for most it's too much of a nuisance to get branches working
16:32:22 <mroman> just downloading a new branch from the remote is a nuisance
16:32:55 <mroman> fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches.
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16:34:10 <mroman> really the average developer I know (including myself) doesn't really know how to handle git beyond creating a new branch, push and pull
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16:35:22 <mroman> I know a little bit about rebasing, squash merging and that
16:35:40 <mroman> but if I see a cryptic error message I just rename the folder and re-clone the repos then manually integrate my stuff
16:36:55 <mroman> I'm also probably the only one at my company working with multiple origins :)
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16:51:15 <moon_> what platfrm and what shell?
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17:00:45 <zzo38> I think it has sometimes been said that fossil is for cathedral-style and git is for bazaar-style
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17:10:50 <moon_> {func[args:a,b;ret:c]: pu-a; pu-b; poc-c; }
17:11:46 <moon_> pu is push and poc is pop and combine
17:11:55 <moon_> im making a new esolang, but with a syntax
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17:18:21 <FireFly> moon_: vaguely reminds me of K's {[a;b]a+b} syntax for functions
17:19:09 <moon_> also, the language is named 'fumble' for its funky syntax
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17:25:20 <moon_> here is another intresting (at least to me) feature of fumble:
17:25:20 <moon_> > is used in variables to signify that whenever they are modified, feed their value to this function (or regex) and set self to return.
17:25:22 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:9: parse error on input ‘in’
17:25:37 <moon_> thanks lambda bot, but that is not a program
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17:27:43 <moon_> < does the somewhat opposite, it makes the variable always equal to the last output of a certain function or regex, or makes it always equal a certain variable
17:28:09 <moon_> fumble also supports wildcards for <, which makes it always equal the last function return.
17:31:38 <moon_> huh, no-one intrested?
17:32:10 <zzo38> Are you going to write these detail in esolang wiki?
17:32:13 <zzo38> Probably you should do
17:32:38 <moon_> the esolang wiki needs more esolangs with syntax :P
17:33:02 <b_jonas> it needs the exact opposite
17:33:14 <moon_> lol but brainfuck derivatives
17:33:21 <moon_> there are hundreds
17:33:25 <b_jonas> it needs esolangs that have some interesting properties other than just surfacial syntax obfuscations
17:33:29 <moon_> i hope your joking
17:33:39 <b_jonas> and bf derivatives are exactly what we don't need more of
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17:37:09 <moon_> also, once im done, i should excercise myself and make a interpreter for it
17:43:46 <moon_> by the way, its self modifying
17:44:07 <moon_> well, against functions wrapped into the main one, at least, but hey, the modifications can be conditional
17:48:50 <moon_> {func2[args:a,b,c;ret:d]: [{func}] ial-funcw-2-"pu-c" rml-funcw-4 al-funcw-"[var1];" al-funcw-"poc-var1;" al-funcw-"pu-var1;" al-funcw-"poc-d" }
17:49:10 <moon_> ial is insert after line, al is append line, and rml is remove line.
17:52:29 <moon_> so far, what do you all think?
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18:30:30 <prooftechnique> Isn't every TC language ultimately just a bf derivative?
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18:35:34 <moon_> i just lost the entire 2000+ byte page on fumble
18:35:44 <moon_> thanks alot windows C&P
18:36:10 <izabera> `` paste <(head -c 2000 /dev/urandom | base64) # there you go moon_
18:36:28 <\oren\> i prefer to deploy pages using scp
18:36:31 <moon_> i dont think that woks
18:36:43 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.4349
18:36:50 <prooftechnique> You should use a clipboard history manager of some sort
18:37:28 <\oren\> or use the tmux clipboard and not the windows one
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18:38:50 <moon__> do you have access to the esolang wiki's preview system log (if it has one)
18:39:04 <\oren\> go to tim hortons they have good intenret
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18:40:49 <\oren\> lamdabot is not wroking!!!!
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18:44:42 <\oren\> he last spoke 11 hours ago according to my scrollback
18:45:21 <\oren\> but he hasnt logged out
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18:52:21 <Moon_> im using mirc this time
18:53:54 <prooftechnique> Because it's staggeringly old, and basically the work of one guy
18:54:20 <Moon_> its also paid now, well mostly at least
18:54:25 <Moon_> theres a 'continue' button
18:54:30 <Moon_> that doesnt close the application
18:54:40 <coppro> Moon_: it's been like that for over a decade
18:54:40 <Moon_> yea, ima get a better one soon
18:54:57 <coppro> I don't think the "free trial" has ever really expired
18:55:51 <coppro> mirc is also why colours are fucked on IRC
18:57:09 <Moon_> also, how many self modifying languages have a full syntax
18:57:23 <Moon_> i.e code blocks and variables
18:58:19 <coppro> Moon_: back in the early days, different clients were trying different approaches to colours
18:58:52 <coppro> a method based on the ^C escape code eventually made it into the CTCP spec
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18:59:14 <moon__> the internet here is terrible
18:59:34 <coppro> 13:58:19 < coppro> Moon_: back in the early days, different clients were trying different approaches to colours
18:59:37 <coppro> 13:58:52 < coppro> a method based on the ^C escape code eventually made it into the CTCP spec
18:59:54 <coppro> mIRC implemented a slightly different spec, though
19:00:05 <coppro> it didn't receive larger support at first because it is ambiguous
19:00:15 <coppro> there are certain text+colour combinations you cannot send because they get misinterpreted
19:00:26 <coppro> the CTCP spec does not have this problem
19:00:29 <b_jonas> wait, isn't the mirc one the only one?
19:00:36 <coppro> Khaled resolutely refused to engage, however
19:00:37 <b_jonas> what's the ctcp one? can you give a link?
19:00:44 <coppro> so eventually the mIRC one won the adoption war
19:01:15 <moon__> think ctcp would've done better
19:01:31 <b_jonas> ah, so that's why I hadn't heard of it
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19:01:37 <moon__> and no misinterpritation (i cant spell)
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19:03:31 <moon_> due to bad internet, i might have to make a script to beat ping to sending info so i dont disconnect
19:04:06 <coppro> b_jonas: http://web.archive.org/web/20070702054927/http://www.invlogic.com/irc/ctcp.html
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19:15:02 <Moon_> ill work on fumble a little later.
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19:49:22 <zzo38> The IRC that I use does not implement the mIRC colours
19:50:20 <izabera> free as in beer c course http://mooc.fi/courses/2016/aalto-c/en/
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20:03:49 <Moon_> well, hopefully i can get the page on Fumble up.
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20:10:46 <prooftechnique> Could somebody /me something? I'm testing my irssi format
20:11:18 <lambdabot> ?? ?@ ?run var$("(@metar "++).(++") \\ ")=<<words ?show
20:11:50 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: weather: not found
20:12:07 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @@ @@ (@where weather) CYUL ENVA ESSB KOAK
20:12:10 <lambdabot> CYUL 061900Z 24016G25KT 15SM FEW040 FEW055 SCT075 22/13 A2948 RMK CU1SC1AC1 SLP983 DENSITY ALT 1400FT \ ENVA 061850Z 26005KT CAVOK 17/09 Q1022 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 28007KT \ ESSB 061850Z 18009KT CAVOK 13/03 Q1023 \ KOAK 061853Z 31014KT 10SM FEW011 18/12 A2985 RMK AO2 SLP108 T01830117
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20:49:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fumble]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47152 * Moon * (+2814) Created
20:53:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fumble]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47153&oldid=47152 * Moon * (+189)
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20:55:00 <Moon_> what does everyone think? (once you done reading fumble if you did)
21:04:11 <zzo38> That look OK so far, although perhaps some examples should also to be included
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21:07:34 <Moon_> Im adding those now, including factorial
21:11:34 <Moon_> also, to fumble, a 1 is 'true', no higher
21:13:25 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fumble]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47154&oldid=47153 * Moon * (+368) Examples!
21:14:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fumble]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47155&oldid=47154 * Moon * (+2)
21:16:46 <Moon_> No, fumble considers it neither, so a compare on true or false will not work
21:16:53 <Moon_> mainly because fumble'
21:16:59 <Moon_> s true or false is 1 or 0
21:17:43 <Moon_> you like the syntax proof?
21:18:34 <zzo38> And what happen if the condition is 2?
21:18:47 <Moon_> Nothing, its ignored
21:19:59 <Moon_> So useing 2 requires a little extra, also, a 'condition' is considered a bit of code that makes the first value on its personal stack the result
21:20:06 <Moon_> which that result is what is read
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21:20:33 <Moon_> so you can put a entire mini function in place of a small comparison in fumble
21:21:03 <Moon_> desnt look like anything on my screen proof
21:22:02 <Moon_> also, what do you think of the 'unless' comparison? i think its a unique one ,right?
21:24:25 <lambdabot> Applicative f => Bool -> f () -> f ()
21:24:35 <lambdabot> unless p s = if p then return () else s
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21:25:24 <Moon_> Do they have something like 'continueuntil'?
21:27:21 <Moon_> continueuntil-< condition >(< code >) allows the main code to continue until a condition is met, once met, it preforms the code and once the code is done jumps back to the instruction it triggered on.
21:29:41 <Moon_> and what does that do? im no good at haskell yet
21:29:43 <prooftechnique> I don't think I totally understand what your continue until should do
21:29:47 <Moon_> i just understand some basic things
21:30:16 <Moon_> it doesnt do anything until its condition is met, it uses a thread to retry the condition every tick
21:30:30 <Moon_> you know, every time a instruction is processed
21:31:38 <Moon_> i.e continueuntil-{cmp-a-5}-(print "5!") wont execute until a contains 5 later during program execution
21:32:34 <lambdabot> Applicative f => Bool -> f () -> f ()
21:32:35 <lambdabot> when p s = if p then s else return ()
21:32:57 <Moon_> doesnt look like it executes in the backround there
21:34:00 <prooftechnique> I mean, that's just the bare function. You throw some concurrency primitives in there and you're off to the races
21:34:45 <Moon_> which do you mean? continueuntil or when?
21:35:10 <coppro> `quote <prooftechnique> I mean, that's just the bare function. You throw some concurrency primitives in there and you're off to the races
21:35:17 <coppro> `addquote <prooftechnique> I mean, that's just the bare function. You throw some concurrency primitives in there and you're off to the races
21:35:23 <HackEgo> 1279) <prooftechnique> I mean, that's just the bare function. You throw some concurrency primitives in there and you're off to the races
21:35:33 <Moon_> *fumbles around chat*
21:36:22 <Moon_> well anyways, what do you think of fumble proof?
21:36:32 <prooftechnique> Something like f a = async $ when (a == 5) (print "5") (a + 1)
21:37:27 <prooftechnique> Oh, sorry, I meant f a = async $ when (a == 5) (print "5") (f (a + 1))
21:38:21 <Moon_> i just might make a interpreter once i figure out how
21:38:45 <Moon_> i think mine will exclude the threading bits, i cause problems when im gaven just 2 extra ones :P
21:39:02 <Moon_> you caught something i overlooked
21:41:10 <shachaf> `` echo jackfruit >> tmp/fruit
21:41:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fumble]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47156&oldid=47155 * Moon * (+58) negative literals
21:44:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47157&oldid=47137 * Moon * (+13) Added fumble to list
21:49:55 <Moon_> lucky for me C++ implents a stack already
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21:57:57 <Moon_> Also, ima make the interpreter hackego compatible
21:58:15 <Moon_> Unless shachaf or fizzie dont want that
22:01:22 <Moon_> should i put fumble on hackego?
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22:14:19 <Moon_> i just ran into something annoying
22:14:56 <Moon_> if (rawprog.at(counter) == "{")
22:14:59 <Moon_> does not work because
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22:15:10 <Moon_> C:\Users\Braden\Desktop\Desktop\Fumble\main.cpp|22|error: ISO C++ forbids comparison between pointer and integer [-fpermissive]|
22:15:55 <Moon_> i have to toggle something to disable it >_>
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22:18:48 <Moon_> now its borked, ill just use a C string >_>
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22:21:50 <Taneb> Moon_, why don't you dereference the character and compare to '{'?
22:22:33 <zzo38> {1}, {T}: Target permanent controlled by opponent gains your choice of first strike, vigilance, hexproof, flying, or infect, until end of turn. If the number of cards below this ability on the stack is exactly six, then this ability cannot be countered by spells and abilities.
22:25:28 <Moon_> well i just wrote a big chunk with c strings, i dont feel like rewriting again
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22:32:19 <Taneb> zzo38, is that one of your puzzle cards?
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22:32:34 <zzo38> I just made it up right now
22:32:53 <Taneb> It certainly seems like it could be used for a puzzle
22:33:03 <zzo38> Yes, it does look like that.
22:34:17 <zzo38> I expect such card would be artifact, but I do not know what mana cost of the artifact. (Other changes could also be made, possibly.)
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22:40:51 <zzo38> Giving shroud or shadow seem it may be more powerful than it should be, giving banding or trample is pretty worthless, giving haste is too small effects, and giving phasing isn't really going to do anything anyways.
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22:48:05 <Moon_> 'fumble.exe has just fumbled' would be much more funny that 'fumble.exe has stopped working'
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23:00:44 <zzo38> Make the records of Magic: the Puzzling according to: most life points, most names of cards, most sets of cards, most priority passes, most damage, most mana, most objects on the stack, most names of permanents, most types of counters, most objects initially on stack, most nested subgames, most number of players, etc. (It only counts in cases where these numbers are bounded.)
23:01:08 <Moon_> wow, this might take me a while, i need to learn :P
23:01:15 <shachaf> zzo38: Why does it only count when they're bounded?
23:01:41 <shachaf> zzo38: For example, if someone has a countably infinite set of objects, and I have an uncountable set, surely I should win some sort of record.
23:02:10 <zzo38> Yes, but that is a different record. However, there are no uncountable sets in Magic: the Gathering anyways, as far as I know.
23:02:40 <shachaf> Well, that's why it would be a new record.
23:02:44 <zzo38> Note that even if the numbers are unbounded, if there is a well-defined minimum needed for correct solution, that would count though.
23:04:32 <zzo38> (There aren't any infinite sets of objects in Magic: the Gathering either, although some are unbounded.)
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23:09:01 <Moon_> You know what, for now, im not skilled enough t make a fumble interpreter
23:11:27 <Moon_> i certainly wish i was >_>
23:13:11 <Moon_> hey, anyone wana try their hand at it?
23:13:19 <Moon_> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fumble
23:15:44 <shachaf> If you wish to examine a granfalloon, just remove the skin of a toy balloon.
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23:18:05 <boily> Moon_: it was a customary porthello hth
23:28:25 <hppavilion[1]> It's kind of hilarious how games have to specify "Online interactions not rated by ESRB"
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23:31:18 <shachaf> Taneb: "the ability to prove Lambek's lemma is a litmus test of whether you can think categorically"
23:31:27 <hppavilion[1]> "As it turns out, ESRB has not analyzed every possible behavior of every person who could ever play this game, and thus have not rated the people you will encounter online"
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23:31:53 <shachaf> The game Hearthstone has no chat feature.
23:32:10 <shachaf> People can only interact by saying one of six or so predefined phrases.
23:32:31 <shachaf> I think the ESRB could manage that.
23:34:11 <zzo38> You could try to use that to encode an IP address and port number, so that you can then use other program for chat.
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