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01:08:00 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/block]] block * Ais523 * blocked [[User:91.231.140.161]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (anonymous users only, account creation disabled, email disabled): spambot; it can't get past the spam filter but it's rather spamming up the spam filter itself
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01:35:17 <derHummer> A CPU is essentially an abacus, no? You set a number on this row (mem location), another there, you operate on both numbers, you put the result on that row (register), you make a register of of other numbers (other mem locations) . . . both devices, abacus and CPU, are registers (registers of registers, ad infinitum); memory and a stepper processor.
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01:37:51 <derHummer> conceptually, elementary step-by-step processing, linear processing.
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01:44:30 <derHummer> aside from processing speed and RAM capacity, how is a CPU different from an abacus?
01:45:24 <ais523> derHummer: even the simplest CPUs have registers /and/ an ALU; an abacus just has registers
01:45:59 <ais523> and arithmetic/logic is up to the human user rather than implemented in the abacus
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01:49:59 <derHummer> you hire 1,000 abacus operators ... there's your CPU. ok, 900,000 operators ... 200 million (unemployment is high these days). Point is that conceoptually / functionally, we still have the step-by-step processing.
01:51:40 <ais523> now I'm imagining what an abacus with an ALU would look like
01:51:53 <ais523> something like, when you had enough beads at the bottom of one column
01:52:02 <ais523> they'd rise up to the top and drop one bead from the next
01:52:15 <ais523> that'd be a half-adder, one of the simplest arithmetic components
01:52:54 <derHummer> but any complexity could be implemented in a wire/bead abacus ... given enough care
01:53:14 <ais523> you'd need a power source
01:53:16 <ais523> but I think it's doable
01:53:47 <ais523> I think you just end up inventing the Analytical Engine if you go too far along these lines, though, don't you?
01:56:39 <derHummer> something like that; essentially the key is writing down the algorithm; then you give one page of the book to each abacus operator. But that's just talking the mechanisms of the thing. But the concept, the functional idea, is the thing. What else is different about a CPU---leave aside the electronics.
01:57:17 <ais523> a modern CPU, or a conceptual one?
01:57:36 <ais523> I'd say an abacus is an excellent analogue for a set of registers
01:57:43 <ais523> so the differences are all the things that aren't just registers
01:57:52 <ais523> instruction scheduling, caches, and the like
01:57:53 <derHummer> well, the concept informing a modern CPU. the von Neumann architecture
01:58:18 <ais523> does a CPU even have to know which memory architecture it's using?
01:58:43 <ais523> I mean, if it's using the same signals to communicate with code and with data, then it has to be von Neumann
01:58:48 <derHummer> for its own correct funtioning, yes, probabley
01:59:12 <ais523> but in general, an old/traditional CPU doesn't need to care about the details of how memory works
01:59:32 <ais523> look at the 6502 and old NES games; many of them had hardware which automatically swapped between multiple RAMs and ROMs
02:00:02 <ais523> exploiting the fact that the CPU didn't care that it was connected to memory, just that it'd get particular responses if it sent particular requests
02:00:59 <derHummer> yes, the hardware don't matter; not as far as correctness of computation schema
02:01:27 <ais523> I mean, to a certain extent, a system needn't /have/ a memory architecture, really
02:01:52 <ais523> I'm imagining a device that streams values to a CPU's memory read port
02:01:53 <derHummer> sliding beads on a wire is a "memory", no?
02:02:16 <ais523> yes, it's what's known as distributed memory, or as a register
02:02:22 <ais523> because it isn't addressable
02:03:12 <derHummer> streaming values sounds like a punched tape, or ibm punched cards
02:03:45 <derHummer> but punched cards were the memory storage of the day ... the "floppy disks", lol
02:18:33 <izabera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_Parser_Framework#Example compiling this example takes several seconds...
02:18:36 <izabera> time to learn yacc i guess
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03:59:45 <derHummer> The more complex the computation, the more powerful the computation. (solves more complex unknowns.) Sonds like a good axiom to come up with leading edge apps?
04:10:15 <Jafet> I only solve for real unknowns.
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05:15:13 <orin> I'm watching the beach volleyball
05:15:43 <orin> is there an actual difference in the rules between beach and regular volleyball?
05:17:18 <alercah> if only there was some sort of encyclopedia that anyone could put this information on
05:17:25 <alercah> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_volleyball#Rule_differences_between_beach_and_indoor
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06:26:39 <oerjan> the logs are informing me that shit haååens.
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06:53:36 <izabera> please recommend me a great pdf reader
06:54:09 <izabera> i usually use zathura which supports vi keys to navigate
06:54:36 <izabera> but it's being insanely slow with a pdf with almost 4k pages
06:55:14 <izabera> despite being based on mupdf, and mupdf renders that file instantly
06:56:52 <izabera> why did i use zathura at all?
06:59:47 <izabera> ooh mupdf does very fancy transitions between pages when it's in presentation mode
07:00:19 <izabera> ok i'll never use this, it just slows down things
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07:29:45 <oerjan> <ais523> I think you just end up inventing the Analytical Engine if you go too far along these lines, though, don't you? <-- . o O ( every sufficiently overengineered calculation device is indistinguishable from a computer )
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07:32:24 <oerjan> my jokes seem to be repelling their targets today.
07:36:46 <izabera> einstein developed a theory about space
07:47:40 <zzo38> Apostasy is not apostasy.
07:47:47 <oerjan> it was relatively fancy.
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11:55:09 <oerjan> boily: what was it like when the time travellers had to flee the Morlocks, but couldn't agree on past vs. future?
11:56:46 <oerjan> it was a tense situation hth
11:57:05 * boily *THWACKS* oerjan. 0.95 shachafs.
11:57:17 <oerjan> darn i was hoping for more.
12:00:12 * int-e idly wonders where oerjan's standard timezone is currently located
12:00:33 <lambdabot> Local time for oerjan is Mon Aug 8 13:00:30 2016
12:00:44 <int-e> (personally I'm somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic)
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12:00:51 <int-e> oerjan: that doesn't answer my question.
12:01:07 <oerjan> surprisingly enough, i got up at 7 AM today
12:01:30 <oerjan> it's one of those rare days of apparent synchronization.
12:01:35 <int-e> oh, synchornized for once
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12:08:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Black]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49096&oldid=8485 * Keymaker * (+958) Need help with a Black interpreter.
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13:50:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Wct]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49100&oldid=49099 * Mihip * (-8)
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17:34:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49101&oldid=47311 * Weux082690 * (+245) /* Joke/Silly Ideas */ Emacs = Communism for Programmers
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19:33:34 <int-e> hundreds of trillions of human skin cells, just today
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20:19:56 <int-e> Sigh, the GG story is branching out like a hydra. At this rate I will not live to see it finish.
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20:21:53 <int-e> I would but all they gave me is the "forward button", which is a very blunt tool.
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22:28:51 <hppavilion[1]> I hate it how YouTube (though it may be the fault of the YouTubers, but I doubt it) has it so, if a video is uploaded in 720p60 or 1080p60, you can't watch it at normal 30fps in HD
22:29:44 <nortti> is there a reason to use 30fps aside from smaller file?
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23:52:28 <pikhq> nortti: Local hardware might be incapable of rendering at 30fps, but could at 60fps.
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