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00:02:29 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( I wonder if the primes are going to turn out to have some obviously simple and reversible pattern to them, like that when you take the third root of the square of each prime, they average to e )
00:03:49 <oerjan> pretty sure that averages to infinity hth
00:04:26 * boily grins. «mouah ah ah ah ah»
00:04:41 <oerjan> wtf language has words ending in -yt
00:07:55 <fizzie> I was going to say "Finnish", for -yt.
00:08:16 <oerjan> well yeah, but that doesn't have vowel harmony.
00:08:40 * oerjan is trying not to cheat this time
00:09:36 <fizzie> I don't think we've got any -yr, anyway.
00:11:42 * oerjan starts losing patience.
00:13:53 * oerjan will check welsh, anyway
00:16:16 <oerjan> the mie- makes me think maybe slavic, but -yr is _very_ against that.
00:16:36 <boily> welsh is extremely close.
00:17:19 <boily> no, on the insular side of.
00:20:25 <oerjan> that went better than expected.
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00:47:54 <boily> last time I checked, about none.
00:49:09 <hppavilion[1]> Also, why did anybody ever thing fascism was a good idea?
00:49:50 <hppavilion[1]> Like, I always assumed Fascism was just generally bad and that we all know it's bad, and that the word was invented by Jesus or something to say "this is a thing which is bad, and here's the word for it"
00:50:24 <hppavilion[1]> But apparently in WWI, there were actual fascists who saw it as a revolution where they were going to fix the world to put up their new fascist government
00:51:19 <quintopia> have you seen the fascist manifesto?
00:51:33 <hppavilion[1]> "Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature"
00:51:41 <quintopia> it was a pretty decent plan in the beginning
00:52:05 <quintopia> universal suffrage from age 18, proportional representation, pacifism...
00:52:29 <quintopia> it uh...kind of got flushed once mussolini took over, but i've got no qualms with the original plan
00:53:15 <quintopia> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto
00:54:56 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: Yeah, fascism now generally means "we want a one-party state with an absolute monarch to keep everything running, rather than having to deal with bureaucratic nonsense like "is this ethical?" or "will this start a nuclear war?""
00:55:17 <pikhq> Which is roughly what it developed into under Mussolini.
00:55:29 <quintopia> yeah. but we already had words for that system
00:57:05 <quintopia> i think "communism" has come to mean basically that too, except the monarch is optional there
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00:59:28 <hppavilion[1]> Though instead of seizing possessions of religious congregations, a better idea is "churches have to pay the same fucking taxes as everyone else"
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01:01:33 <hppavilion[1]> . o O ( What is the malware equivalent of an STD? )
01:02:21 <quintopia> (funny how in computing security a trojan does exactly the opposite of what they do in sex)
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01:03:27 <hppavilion[1]> (It took me a moment to remember that "Trojan" is a brand of condom)
01:05:53 <hppavilion[1]> I seem to remember somebody here talking about a concept of a non-geographical nation...
01:30:48 <hppavilion[1]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_a_white_horse_is_not_a_horse is fun
01:30:57 <hppavilion[1]> It has a picture of a white horse captioned "Is it a horse?"
01:33:37 <oerjan> ceci n'est pas un cheval
01:37:00 <boily> c'est pas un cheval, c'en est la représentation. un encodage de cheval, si on veut.
01:37:14 <hppavilion[1]> "The vocabulary used in telling the same joke at a frat party and to your grandmother might well vary." -- Wikipedia
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03:48:27 <zzo38> It is how Satanism is supposed to work; churches are supposed to have to pay taxes like anyone else does.
03:49:14 <shachaf> Why not pay taxes to the church instead?
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03:51:12 <zzo38> Because, I think, the church is not the government.
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03:51:46 <zzo38> (But the government often waste a lot of the money paid by taxes anyways; I don't know how much better some church would do by taxes or not.)
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05:05:30 <zzo38> How do I change the MIME type assocated with a file extension in Firefox?
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05:17:01 <zzo38> Nevermind I think I found it
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05:17:50 <zzo38> Why does Firefox use RDF/XML anyways? There are better RDF formats than RDF/XML.
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08:59:55 <hppavilion[1]> I just got an audiobook of His Dark Materials 1 off TPB
09:03:38 <izabera> do people actually enjoy audiobooks?
09:03:55 <shachaf> Audiobooks are good for long drives, I hear.
09:19:06 <izabera> http://i.imgur.com/rB5on0E.png google is so nice
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09:48:48 <APic> http://xkcd.com/1726/
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09:58:37 <b_jonas> huge fish hat: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/teach-a-man-to-fish
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11:57:22 <Jafet> papal tiaras have been made from many materials, including paper, but not fish
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12:22:01 <HackEgo> olist (1050): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
12:23:51 <b_jonas> boily: I already listed that yesterday
12:24:32 <boily> b_jellonas. aaaaurgh.
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15:54:38 <izabera> are they really? compare them against strawberries
15:55:20 <b_jonas> but strawberries are good too
15:55:26 <quintopia> audiobooks are non GMO, guaranteed, every time
15:58:10 <b_jonas> quintopia: http://xkcd.com/641/
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17:16:47 <\oren\> mostly because of their color
17:17:12 <\oren\> A blueberry milkshake is the most sci-fi looking drink ever
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17:58:16 <fizzie> Cloudberries are cool berries.
18:00:14 <APNG> so uh, brainfuck is one of the simplest esolangs right?
18:01:25 <APNG> is there any way to make a brainfuck with no look-ahead?
18:02:04 <\oren\> My bf implementatin basically doesn't have a parser
18:02:20 <APNG> \oren\, a BF implementation that doesn't do []
18:02:44 <izabera> sounds very non turing complete
18:02:54 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/bfim.htm
18:03:24 <\oren\> all it does is, [ stores its position on a stack
18:03:48 <APNG> yes, [ stores its position on a stack, that's fine
18:03:57 <APNG> but is ] needed?
18:04:21 <APNG> hmm ok right perhaps I should rephrase a bit
18:04:31 <APNG> can you make a language without closed loops?
18:05:48 <\oren\> an imperative lanaugae kinda needs a way to iterate somehow
18:06:56 <APNG> uh idk how to explain what I mean...
18:07:12 <\oren\> like you could have :x which is a label and @x that jumps to :x if the cell is not zero
18:07:22 <APNG> maybe I should start with a text-based programming language before doing this...
18:10:38 <Jafet> the variant where [ does nothing is probably turing complete as well
18:10:39 <izabera> \oren\: that looks like sed
18:10:50 <Jafet> but would be somewhat annoying to program in
18:11:17 <Jafet> not least because every , and . will be run at least once
18:11:20 <izabera> i think in most implmentations ] does nothing
18:12:11 <\oren\> izabera: in mine it pops the stack
18:12:30 <\oren\> if the data pointer doesn't point to a zero cell
18:12:44 <Jafet> ] is required to go back to the matching [, at least
18:12:50 <\oren\> other wise it just pops the stack and does nothing
18:13:21 <izabera> Jafet: i mean lots of people just convert it to c and jit it so [ becomes while (*ptr) and ] becomes } which basically does nothing
18:16:13 <\oren\> maybe I should make one that jit's it directly into machine code
18:16:26 <\oren\> and then exec's the resulting file
18:18:04 <izabera> \oren\: your stack thing is far more interesting
18:18:23 <izabera> your macros, however, are awful
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18:19:53 <\oren\> izabera: did you also notice that the space I use is "allocated"
18:20:17 <\oren\> data=code=(char*)&c-1000;
18:20:22 <izabera> 1000 bytes below the stack
18:20:52 <izabera> vla exist so it's kind of moot though..
18:21:52 <\oren\> I think vla's are implemented in a far safer manner
18:24:37 <\oren\> wait how would you resize a VLA?
18:25:01 <\oren\> it's only variable between calls to the function?
18:25:14 <\oren\> which emans you lose your data
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18:52:41 <int-e> ah, optimism... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5078239/how-to-remove-the-space-between-inline-block-elements search for "dear google searchers"
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18:56:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/block]] block * Oerjan * blocked [[User:199.15.233.157]] with an expiry time of 1 year (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
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19:01:06 <int-e> css was firmly in the "almost good" category for a while... and then they added transitions.
19:05:02 <int-e> maybe every decade needs a blink tag moment
19:05:58 <int-e> (and we got lucky in the noughties)
19:07:24 <\oren\> int-e: I always liked <marquee>
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19:15:47 <Jafet> the css transition is not different to <blink> and <marquee>, it merely generalises them
19:16:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49676&oldid=46123 * Oerjan * (+527) /* New filter */ new section
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20:00:09 <APNG> int-e, at least unicode doesn't have a blink tag yet
20:00:41 <APNG> imagine if "gr(a|e)y" rendered as "gray" for a sec, then "grey", then "gray", and repeat
20:01:14 <APNG> and i18n was about adding as many alternations as possible to the webpages
20:08:19 <APNG> why's it so hard to make a programming language when you have a headache :/
20:10:51 <\oren\> APNG: put your hand in some ice water for 1 full minute. your headache won't go away, but your hand will hurt so much, you won't care about your head
20:12:13 <APNG> but then I won't be able to feel the keyboard
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21:49:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Nthern]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49677&oldid=37197 * Nthern * (+172) /* /// and itflabtijtslwi */
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22:13:51 <hppavilion[1]> Here's something fun that would be almost never useful
22:14:21 <hppavilion[1]> (wait, that sounded more like guys rating girls on a scale of 1-10 than I thought it meant)
22:14:50 <hppavilion[1]> Appraising a person's body and brain for the purposes of downloading other peoples' minds into their brain
22:15:27 <hppavilion[1]> So, like, "this person has asthma; I think we'll need to bring the rent down by $40/month at least"
22:27:43 <izabera> i downloaded harry potter and the cursed child in pdf...
22:29:16 <shachaf> Here, read this play instead: http://www.bmds.bm/files/14/files/productions/arcadia/arcadia-by-tom-stoppard.pdf
22:30:16 <HackEgo> carnal embrace? ¯\(°_o)/¯
22:35:38 <int-e> `learn CSS are confusing style sheets.
22:35:40 <HackEgo> Learned 'cs': CSS are confusing style sheets.
22:36:43 <shachaf> are you just going to stand there?
22:37:43 <int-e> `mv wisdom/cs wisdom/css
22:37:44 <HackEgo> mv: missing destination file operand after `wisdom/cs wisdom/css' \ Try `mv --help' for more information.
22:37:48 <int-e> `` mv wisdom/cs wisdom/css
22:37:51 <HackEgo> CSS are confusing style sheets.
22:38:35 <int-e> yes, but their singular is also CSS
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22:39:19 <HackEgo> potion of confusing? ¯\(°_o)/¯
22:39:32 <shachaf> zzo38: Please add that wisdom entry.
22:39:51 * int-e spent several hours the last two days tweaking some CSS.
22:39:51 <zzo38> I do not know what to write
22:40:00 <shachaf> What is Potion of Confusing?
22:40:22 <int-e> I can't recommend it (CSS).
22:40:45 <int-e> and I didn't even enter browser compatibility territory.
22:40:56 <shachaf> int-e: CSS has flex nowadays.
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22:42:37 <int-e> but I learned about that too late in the process
22:43:13 <shachaf> I wrote a bit of CSS for http://slbkbs.org:1619/game/test
22:43:31 <shachaf> It was a mess until I figured out flex.
22:48:22 <HackEgo> CSS are confusing style sheets.
22:49:22 <HackEgo> C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault
22:50:12 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
22:50:17 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
22:50:24 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?c: not found
22:50:27 <HackEgo> C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault
22:50:40 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
22:50:44 <HackEgo> C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault
22:51:30 <\oren\> `learn ss esses are confusing
22:51:32 <HackEgo> Learned 's': ss esses are confusing
22:53:26 <HackEgo> Spam is a delicious meat product. See http://www.spamjamhawaii.com/
22:53:31 <shachaf> the whole page is full of nothing but bot spam
22:54:23 <\oren\> spam spam spam spam lovely spam wonderful spam! lovely spam, wonderful spam
22:54:45 <int-e> `` slwed s//ss e(.*)/E\1./
22:54:46 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: `slwed s//ss e(.*)/E\1./'
22:54:52 <int-e> `` slwd s//ss e(.*)/E\1./
22:54:53 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: `slwd s//ss e(.*)/E\1./'
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22:55:14 <int-e> `slwd s//ss e(.*)/E\1./
22:55:14 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 14: unterminated `s' command
22:55:30 <int-e> `slwd s//s/ss e(.*)/E\1./
22:55:30 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 16: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS
22:55:38 <int-e> `slwd s//s/ss e\(.*\)/E\1./
22:55:40 <HackEgo> wisdom/s//Esses are confusing.
22:55:56 <int-e> That could have gone better.
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23:27:43 <HackEgo> [U+26A0 WARNING SIGN] [U+FE0F VARIATION SELECTOR-16]
23:27:59 <HackEgo> od: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `od --help' for more information.
23:28:17 <HackEgo> 0000000 342 232 240 357 270 217 \n \ 0000007
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