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00:07:32 <quintopia> >_>
00:07:37 <quintopia> <_<
00:07:42 <quintopia> where is everyone?
00:08:40 <zzo38> Hello
00:09:35 <quintopia> what is your favorite game zzo38
00:10:54 <zzo38> It depend on what kinds of games it can be and so on I think, and even then I think I do not quite have the favourites
00:13:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:HI9+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51381 * Quintopia * (+249) /* Quines in HI9+ */ new section
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00:13:58 <quintopia> is there no game you spend more time with than others?
00:14:02 <quintopia> helloerjan
00:14:41 <zzo38> I think there isn't a game I spend much more time with than others, and I do not keep track of such thing much
00:15:04 <oerjan> evenitopia
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00:17:28 <oerjan> `icode :
00:17:29 <HackEgo> ​[U+003A COLON]
00:17:39 <oerjan> hm
00:17:42 <oerjan> `? number
00:17:44 <HackEgo> The number of the hour is 14.
00:17:59 <oerjan> `grwp number
00:18:00 <HackEgo> ​𝕈:𝕈 would be the set of rational numbers, if the Unicode Consortium weren't idiots who put it as ℚ. \ algebraic number theory:The theory of algebraic numbers was invented by Fermat to prove his theorem, but he didn't have room to write it down. \ bezout's theorem:Bézout's theorem says that if a system of polynomial equations over the co
00:18:34 <oerjan> `` icode "`grwp number | head -1`"
00:18:41 <HackEgo> U+1D548 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9d 95 88 UTF-16BE: d835dd48 Decimal: &#120136; \ 𝕈 (𝕈) \ Uppercase: U+1D548 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) \ \ U+003A COLON \ UTF-8: 3a UTF-16BE: 003a Decimal: &#58; \ : \ Category: Po (Punctuation, Other) \ Bidi: CS (Common Number Separator) \ \ U+1D548 - No such
00:18:50 <oerjan> hm
00:26:02 <quintopia> what are you looking for
00:27:59 <oerjan> the strange character at the start of `grwp number
00:28:31 <oerjan> i suspect whoever added that was just complaining that ℚ had the wrong codepoint.
00:28:59 <oerjan> `icode ℚ
00:29:00 <HackEgo> ​[U+211A DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL Q]
00:29:59 <oerjan> `unicode U+1D549
00:29:59 <HackEgo> ​𝕉
00:30:15 <oerjan> `multicode U+1D549
00:30:16 <HackEgo> U+1D549 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9d 95 89 UTF-16BE: d835dd49 Decimal: &#120137; \ 𝕉 (𝕉) \ Uppercase: U+1D549 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned)
00:30:30 <oerjan> `multicode U+1D54A
00:30:31 <HackEgo> U+1D54A MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL S \ UTF-8: f0 9d 95 8a UTF-16BE: d835dd4a Decimal: &#120138; \ 𝕊 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ Decomposition: <font> 0053
00:30:38 <oerjan> ah as i suspected
00:31:09 <oerjan> `multicode U+1D54B
00:31:11 <HackEgo> U+1D54B MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL T \ UTF-8: f0 9d 95 8b UTF-16BE: d835dd4b Decimal: &#120139; \ 𝕋 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ Decomposition: <font> 0054
00:31:21 <rdococ> yaya.
00:31:26 <oerjan> i wonder if that wisdom was off by 1.
00:31:54 <oerjan> as in, U+1D549 would seem to be where R would fit, not U+1D548.
00:32:13 <oerjan> wait
00:32:16 <oerjan> silly me.
00:32:38 <oerjan> well, the same complaint goes for R as well.
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00:57:01 <quintopia> oic
00:57:08 <quintopia> i'm the consortium had good reason
00:57:11 <quintopia> *sure
00:57:51 <quintopia> `unicode U+211B
00:57:52 <HackEgo> ​ℛ
00:58:07 <quintopia> `unicode U+2119
00:58:08 <HackEgo> ​ℙ
00:58:22 <quintopia> ...er
00:58:32 <quintopia> well, reasons that aren't that good maybe
01:02:22 <Jafet> `multicode U+25FB
01:02:23 <HackEgo> U+25FB WHITE MEDIUM SQUARE \ UTF-8: e2 97 bb UTF-16BE: 25fb Decimal: &#9723; \ ◻ \ Category: Sm (Symbol, Math) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
01:02:27 <Jafet> `multicode U+1F78F
01:02:28 <HackEgo> U+1F78F MEDIUM WHITE SQUARE \ UTF-8: f0 9f 9e 8f UTF-16BE: d83ddf8f Decimal: &#128911; \ 🞏 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
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04:38:29 <hppavilion[1]> NEW WORD: When referring to the equivalent of Google-Fu for a DuckDuckGo user, it may be referred to as "Duckwongo"
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05:27:36 <hppavilion[1]> I wonder if putting X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* will poison peoples' logs
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06:17:52 <Jafet> I'm surprised that the eicar test file appears only twice in my logs
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10:34:00 <int-e> Good-bye CaC. We had a great time together, but it just won't work out.
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10:38:47 <shachaf> `? CaC
10:38:49 <HackEgo> CaC? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
10:39:23 <int-e> see also CaaC: http://www.cloudatacost.com/
10:40:59 <int-e> basically CaC has just redefined "one-time payment" to include an extra annual $9 fee.
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10:41:54 <int-e> Which would be reasonable really... but rather than telling the customers that there's a new fee, they buried the fact at 1/3 of 8k terms of service.
10:42:01 <int-e> 8k *words*
10:44:59 <int-e> Gregor might want to know that? It's point 9.18 of their ToS, it may or may not apply, depends on whether you have a monthly paid product.
10:45:34 <Vorpal> int-e: I have had great experience with linode. Way more expensive than 9 per year of course
10:45:49 <Vorpal> but the support has been good the one time I needed it.
10:46:18 <int-e> Vorpal: I'm currently with Ramnode... no bad experiences there either though I haven't really needed support.
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10:46:26 <Vorpal> And while not needing support at all would have been better, it is good to know that if you need it, they are happy to help within a couple of hours.
10:46:55 <Vorpal> int-e: yeah I had a strange issue with the kvm host, they quickly migrated my VPS to another node
10:47:08 <Vorpal> No issues since then
10:47:48 <FireFly> I've been happy with prgmr, the biggest issue of which seems to be that their data centre is in the US and not Europe
10:48:24 <Vorpal> FireFly: which is the reason I went with linode. Way less lag when using ssh to london than to us
10:48:45 * FireFly nods
10:49:06 <FireFly> with mosh I don't really mind IRCing on a VPS in the US
10:49:19 <FireFly> but it's a good point
10:49:27 <Vorpal> FireFly: I love prgmr's web site though
10:50:03 <Vorpal> I don't like mosh because I never been a fan of screen or tmux and mosh destroys the normal scrollback of the terminal
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10:51:02 <Vorpal> Also while mosh helps on a bad connection, it isn't perfect sadly. Especially in ncurses programs
10:51:05 <int-e> (okay, one ticket, because I had a screen session completely disappear without trace and I asked them whether they had any logs... they replied promptly, though (unsurprisingly they didn't have any information). They did tell me that they didn't migrate the VPS which was more information than I expected.)
10:51:38 <int-e> (no segfault, no OOM kill... just strange)
10:51:42 <Vorpal> int-e: wouldn't they tell you in advance if they migrated?
10:52:01 <int-e> that's what they told me :P
10:52:04 <Vorpal> With linode I always got advance warning for any outage (critical host security upgrades and so on)
10:52:21 <int-e> "We don't do migrations without notice"
10:52:44 <Vorpal> int-e: I would say that any hosting company that did migrations without notice would be a bad one
10:54:27 <int-e> Basically I'm a bit clueless about how transparent that can be made these days. If one could migrate a VPS while preserving network connections with handover in less than, say, 10 seconds, that's something people might do without notice.
10:54:56 <fizzie> Since we're all listing these, I've gone through prgmr, Tilaa and DigitalOcean.
10:55:07 <int-e> If it disrupts network connections it's a no-go for any hoster worth its salt.
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10:56:07 <Vorpal> int-e: I don't think that is doable in general given how most VPS are set up. You would need to use network-backed disk images. iSCSI or something like that. Which from what I heard from someone who works in the business, is not worth the overhead. It is much cheaper to have local disk images on RAID with backups
10:56:39 <Vorpal> Then migration needs to shut down the VM, copy the images across and start the VM on the new host
10:56:47 <Vorpal> network is probably the easy part
10:59:31 <shachaf> Oh, that CaC.
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11:01:47 <fizzie> Those rascals.
11:02:39 <shachaf> I use Linode but I keep hearing it's terrible.
11:02:45 <shachaf> With regard to security and other things?
11:03:11 <shachaf> Maybe I should switch to Google Cloud now that their free trial expires in 12 months rather than 60 days.
11:04:00 <shachaf> I'd still need to figure out a way to use it that wouldn't be a squander.
11:04:01 <fizzie> Google Cloud here in Europe is only for "commercial" use.
11:04:15 <shachaf> I think we've talked about that.
11:04:19 <shachaf> Move to MTV?
11:04:19 <int-e> fizzie: an english speaking source picked up on the new fee... https://blog.matthewkilpatrick.uk/cloudatcost-review/ ... hmm.
11:05:07 <int-e> ("hmm" is me wondering whether there's any connection to #esoteric or whether somebody else actually read the ToS ;-) )
11:05:39 <shachaf> I pay $20/month for my Linode VM.
11:05:41 <fizzie> shachaf: One scow thing is that Google Domains in UK has the same restriction.
11:06:01 <shachaf> I recommend moving to sunny Mountain View, California.
11:07:17 <fizzie> I don't want to get shot, and I understand that's what happens to everyone in the US.
11:07:21 <shachaf> When I worked at Google I got a free (I think?) domain through Google Domains.
11:07:34 <shachaf> Now I don't work there anymore but I still use it for that one domain.
11:07:38 <shachaf> That's how they get you.
11:08:06 <fizzie> I migrated my two .org's to Hover, but they don't do .fi.
11:08:22 <shachaf> I use Gandi for .fi and another domain.
11:08:25 <fizzie> https://help.hover.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/210362567-Support-for-fi-domains plz upvote
11:09:11 <shachaf> I'm not going to make a Hover account just to click on an arrow.
11:09:32 <shachaf> Well, I guess I can click the arrow even without an account, it just redirects me to a login page.
11:09:37 <shachaf> I did that much.
11:09:38 <shachaf> hth
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11:09:56 <fizzie> Thank you, I appreciate the effort.
11:10:12 <shachaf> What does it mean that .fi switched to a registrar model?
11:10:29 <shachaf> I remember that there were changes but not the details. Except that registration would be open to everyone or something like that.
11:10:41 <shachaf> But I already had a domain registered through Gandi before.
11:10:53 <fizzie> It used to be so that you bought your domain directly from the registry.
11:10:55 <shachaf> They sent me a letter about it all the way to the US. But the letter was in Finnish.
11:11:10 <fizzie> Which in this case was the Finnish Communications Regulatory Authority.
11:12:07 <fizzie> The model they switched to is the more standard one where an end user never deals directly with the registry, but instead goes through a registrar.
11:12:32 <shachaf> But I already used a registrar once.
11:12:40 <shachaf> I guess it was an exceptional case or something?
11:13:00 <int-e> . o O ( There's an arrow?! )
11:13:05 <fizzie> I don't think they were technically registrars, they were just unrelated companies that bought and managed a domain for you.
11:13:18 <shachaf> int-e: Wherever voting happens, there's always an Arrow.
11:13:36 <Robdgreat> ->
11:13:51 <int-e> shachaf: Right, I actually know about that theorem :)
11:14:05 <int-e> shachaf: it doesn't apply to pure binary choices though
11:14:14 <shachaf> I see. Well, nice of them to do it in exchange for $20 or however much I paid them.
11:14:29 <shachaf> int-e: I was wondering whether someone would nitpick my pun.
11:14:57 <shachaf> If you want: Voting on feature requests is a question of prioritizing the next request.
11:15:03 <int-e> but what I meant is this, http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/novelicons.png
11:15:08 <shachaf> Each person can vote each feature up or down.
11:15:37 <int-e> (noscript is blocking the font. but why must it be a font...)
11:15:39 <fizzie> The old model also had some eligibility requirements that were deprecated, so it is also more open to everyone now.
11:16:10 <shachaf> It's a font with private use code points? How odd.
11:16:24 <shachaf> fizzie: Yes, that part is unfortunate.
11:16:24 <int-e> it has become fairly common
11:16:39 <shachaf> At least I got a two-character .fi domain.
11:17:01 <shachaf> Unfortunately it's difficult to pronounce.
11:17:17 <shachaf> It sounds like I'm talking about a county in England.
11:17:21 <fizzie> I was this close |-| to getting zzie.fi instead of zem.fi.
11:17:34 <shachaf> zzie38.fi
11:17:49 <FireFly> What's the etymology of zem.fi anyway?
11:20:13 <int-e> oh, github switched to inline SVGs instead, sweet.
11:20:18 <fizzie> "No one really knows what mattresses are meant to gain from their lives either. They are large, friendly, pocket-sprung creatures which live quiet private lives in the marshes of Squornshellous Zeta. Many of them get caught, slaughtered, dried out, shipped out and slept on. None of them seem to mind and all of them are called Zem."
11:20:23 <fizzie> FireFly: ^
11:20:34 <FireFly> Ooh, those
11:21:03 <rdococ> ...
11:21:44 <fizzie> I had a Douglas Adams hostname naming scheme at the time.
11:22:13 <fizzie> (Though a big part was to find a free three-letter name.)
11:22:49 <rdococ> yay. time to make up another crappy language thing.
11:23:45 <Robdgreat> hm. many years on the internet and I'm just now getting around to looking at semper.fi
11:24:07 <Robdgreat> interestingly, it has nothing to do with the US Marine Corp
11:24:08 <Robdgreat> s
11:27:51 <shachaf> fizzie: So many good .fi names were created 12.9.2016 :'(
11:28:17 <shachaf> I should've taken the opportunity to preëmpt them.
11:28:58 <shachaf> Maybe the whois "created" date isn't accurate, anyway.
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11:34:07 <int-e> always fun to setup a new VM... I never recall how to get rid of systemd.
11:35:36 <shachaf> freebsd hth
11:35:42 <int-e> good one
11:36:05 <shachaf> systemdum and systemd / agreed to have a battle
11:36:35 <int-e> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
11:37:06 <int-e> Dodgson is probably spinning in his grave.
11:37:43 <shachaf> Well, the poem is much older than that.
11:37:57 * rdococ spins
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11:56:55 <rdococ> esoteria
11:57:07 <rdococ> esoterraria?
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12:00:11 <Taneb> I do want to try and set up a Linux distro with no GNU Software components. Possibly I should try to make it not have systemd either
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12:29:10 <boily> `wisdom
12:29:12 <HackEgo> sanity//Sanity is the defining property of boily. Taneb invented it.
12:29:18 <boily> :D
12:30:46 <int-e> (does that mean that Taneb didn't have it when they invented it...)
12:33:48 <rdococ> `? insanity
12:33:49 <HackEgo> insanity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
12:34:18 <rdococ> ...
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12:34:27 <rdococ> where's my defining characteristic then?
12:34:28 <int-e> @time
12:34:32 <lambdabot> Local time for int-e is Sat Mar 18 13:34:27 2017
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12:34:46 <int-e> @time lambdabot
12:34:46 <lambdabot> I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time?
12:34:55 <int-e> good, good, just checking.
12:37:06 <Taneb> @time HackEgo
12:40:53 <boily> int-ello, rdochelloc, lambdabellot, Tanelle.
12:41:05 <boily> `? rdococ
12:41:06 <HackEgo> rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but probably not. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom.
12:41:27 <boily> rdococ: ↑ your characteristic.
12:42:38 <rdococ> that's not my defining characteristic. that's my alleged place of residence and note that I am approaching permanent boredom.
12:55:22 <boily> yup, it's very defining ^^
12:56:10 <boily> you're apparently, but not seemingly. possibly, but probably not. extremely precise!
12:56:22 <rdococ> wut
12:56:34 <boily> the only remaining detail is if you're approaching boredom from the left or the right.
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12:57:52 <rdococ> tru
12:58:26 <rdococ> I'm a limit
12:58:34 <rdococ> approaching infinite boredom
12:58:57 <rdococ> limit x->boredom e^x
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14:08:53 * Robdgreat imposes sanctions on rdococ
14:09:22 <Robdgreat> I'm like the UN: my sanctions don't mean anything
14:09:34 <Robdgreat> they just make me feel better
14:25:50 <int-e> Thanks to rdococ I found out about the NO_ACT ignore level in irssi. It's perfect!
14:26:33 <rdococ> ???
14:28:54 <Vorpal> Hm, I'm trying to like (or at least get accustomed to) git, but I can't help thinking that for the most part I prefer hg.
14:29:33 <int-e> For me it's the same, except with "git" and "hg" swapped.
14:30:17 <Vorpal> fair enough
14:30:48 <int-e> (Though I would have objective reasons in favor of hg. It's easier to *teach*, for example, because the separate staging area in git tends to confuse people.)
14:31:18 <Phantom_Hoover> the staging thing in git is just, like, you have to tell it which files you're going to commit, right?
14:31:41 <Vorpal> int-e: the main point I think for me is that for many VCS tasks I prefer a gui, and TortoiseHg for Linux is exceptionally excellent. The Git GUIs for Linux I have tried so far aren't nearly as good. Or have much less functionality. Or are fully featured but uses 500 MB RAM because of java.
14:31:51 <Phantom_Hoover> it's definitely one of those things which just causes friction when you're getting started, because you have no feel for why you'd want it
14:32:10 <int-e> Phantom_Hoover: the thing that confuses people is that there are two uncommitted diffs, so to speak: git diff --cached (changes to be committed) and git diff (further changes).
14:32:36 <Phantom_Hoover> ah yes, the godawful git UI strikes again
14:32:54 <int-e> in particular git diff may produce unexpected output ("I had changes, where did they go?")
14:33:13 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover: indeed, git UI is the main sticking point, or GUI in my case. If there was a good GUI to hide the UI I would be fine with it,
14:33:36 <int-e> but then I like the in-repo branches and mercurial just doesn't work nicely that way...
14:34:01 <Vorpal> int-e: it does have named branches, a bit more heavyweight than how git treats that concept
14:34:35 <Vorpal> in git, isn't a branch basically just a movable label?
14:34:54 <int-e> basically
14:35:09 <Vorpal> while in hg it is an attribute of a commit that is by default (unless you create a new branch) inherited to child commits.
14:36:29 <Vorpal> int-e: there is a bookmark extension that works more like git branches I think
14:36:35 <Vorpal> haven't used it much
14:36:38 <int-e> The most fundamental UI mistake in hg I've uncovered so far is the revision identified by "tip", which should have a name like "the-revision-that-somehow-currently-is-at-the-top-of-the-stored-file-history-unrelated-to-whatever-you-have-checked-out-and-are-working-on" or something to that effect.
14:36:39 <Vorpal> (or at all really)
14:37:07 <Vorpal> yes agreed, that tip doesn't mean much
14:37:18 <int-e> I had initially mapped "tip" to git's "HEAD", and that caused *a lot* of issues.
14:37:43 <Vorpal> int-e: for me, using tortoisehg for most of the stuff I do with hg, it is just a label in the GUI I don't really care about. I think you can hide it even.
14:37:44 <int-e> (git's HEAD is "revision currently checked out")
14:38:02 <int-e> well I'm addicted to command lines *shrugs*
14:38:20 <Vorpal> I usually am too. Not for version control for some reason though
14:38:46 <Phantom_Hoover> i mean version histories are a pretty textbook example of "something better presented graphically"
14:39:31 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover: which is why I have a hard time getting to like git I think. None of the GUIs are great. They all have one fatal flaw or another so far.
14:39:32 <int-e> I use a gui for browsing history. But not for creating commits...
14:41:02 <Phantom_Hoover> it's the classic thing where command lines work great for input but are lousy at output
14:41:05 <Vorpal> int-e: you get something like a staging area if you want in tortoisehg even, a list of files with checkboxes (or even diff chunks with the right hg extension loaded) that are to be included in the commit. It remembers what you checked too (until you close that repository).
14:41:33 <Phantom_Hoover> and guis can display information really effectively but can be clumsy and bloated when you try to manipulate it
14:41:44 <Vorpal> int-e: by default everything is checked, but I saw a setting somewhere for setting an expression for "auto uncheck". Presumably you could set that to "*" if you want or such
14:44:05 <int-e> there's a "hg record" extension (stolen from darcs) which, like git commit --interactive, is based on darcs' "record" command... so doing partial commits is quite possible in all these tools
14:44:21 <int-e> hmm, redundancy, how I love thee, how I love thee.
14:45:47 <Vorpal> int-e: yeah enabling the record extension lets you select specific file chunks in tortoisehg if you want
14:46:36 <Vorpal> int-e: also I love the MQ extension, patch queues. It is very well integrated into tortoisehg, letting you split and fold patches very easily. Reorder your commits prior to pushing.
14:47:09 <int-e> I use branches and git rebase -i for that in git
14:47:46 <Vorpal> yeah that would likely work too, as long as you remember what you want to push and what you don't want to push.
14:48:23 <int-e> both are powerful enough and they are very similar, but just different enough to trip anybody who tries to use on of them like the other. Switching between them is really painful.
14:49:03 <Vorpal> indeed
14:49:42 <Vorpal> I use hg at work, so there is going to be that for the forseeable future. I just wonder to which version control system I should migrate my old bzr projects
14:49:43 <Vorpal> brb
14:49:55 <int-e> (and they have clashing vocabulary... like "pull" vs. "fetch" or "pull -u")
14:55:01 <Vorpal> int-e: git doesn't check out sub-repos by default it appears
14:55:06 <Vorpal> that annoys me compared to hg
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15:10:41 <Vorpal> in fact it seems by default git doesn't treat sub modules as they exist when doing operations on the main repository, letting you do stupid stuff by mistake.
15:15:55 <Taneb> `pastequotes
15:15:56 <HackEgo> https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/quotes
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15:16:36 <oerjan> `? insanity
15:16:37 <HackEgo> insanity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
15:16:48 <oerjan> `le/rn insanity//You are just imagining this wisdom entity.
15:16:50 <HackEgo> Learned 'insanity': You are just imagining this wisdom entity.
15:17:06 <oerjan> `grwp imagin
15:17:07 <HackEgo> dark water:Dark water is an instadeath terrain type in Game Boy games that would represent lava if you had lots of imagination. \ hackego:HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. Ha
15:17:16 <oerjan> `2 grwp imagin
15:17:18 <HackEgo> 2/5:sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in all Mexico! \ hallucination:You are just imagining this wisdom entry. \ imaginary unit:The imaginary unit is what you get when you take the square root of love \ insanity:You are just imagining this wisdom entity. \ Binary file reflection matches \ soviet russia:Soviet Russia used to be a syno
15:17:26 <oerjan> `n
15:17:27 <HackEgo> 3/5:nym for the Soviet Union. In reality, the Soviet Union dissolved. Meanwhile, Soviet Russia dissolved reality, and you are a figment of its imagination. \ zarutian:You can trust Zarutian. He fixes, as an electronics technician, banal mistakes of electronics engineers. Rather cy(ph|b)erpunkish in outlook regarding the 'Net. Knows more a
15:17:35 <oerjan> argh
15:17:42 <oerjan> `n 5
15:17:43 <HackEgo> 5/5:Even though the Icelandic unnerver has its own.
15:18:23 <oerjan> Zarutian's verbosity is no match for my intelligence
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15:20:16 <oerjan> `grwp Imagin
15:20:18 <HackEgo> imagine:Imagine was the only song not interrupted after two stanzas on the opening ceremony of the 2012 London Olympic Games, a calm moment in an otherwise chaotic rush through fifty pop songs. \ Binary file reflection matches
15:22:19 <oerjan> `slwd insanity//s/Y/Unless you are boily, y/
15:22:21 <HackEgo> insanity//Unless you are boily, you are just imagining this wisdom entity.
15:23:38 <Vorpal> oerjan: what does grwp stand for?
15:23:39 <Vorpal> Also hi!
15:24:04 <oerjan> Vorpal: grep wisdom
15:24:46 <Vorpal> ah
15:24:51 <oerjan> also good afternoon
15:25:25 <oerjan> `cat bin/grwp
15:25:26 <HackEgo> ​#! /bin/bash \ cd wisdom; shopt -s dotglob; grep -R "$@" -- *
15:25:27 <Vorpal> indeed
15:26:18 <Taneb> I've been working on a Euclidean Geometry renderer
15:26:34 <Taneb> But I think it has a few flaws
15:26:46 <Taneb> It can't work out where two circles intersect
15:27:32 <oerjan> you need algebraic numbers
15:27:53 <Taneb> I think I can make do with constructible numbers
15:28:02 <oerjan> OKAY.
15:28:12 <Taneb> But I don't know how to implement either in C :(
15:28:22 <oerjan> which is just the subset reachable with square roots.
15:28:23 <Vorpal> Taneb: can't you just approximate it with floats?
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15:28:45 <int-e> Taneb: so use a different programming language ;)
15:29:26 <Taneb> Vorpal, currently I am approximating it with longs
15:29:27 <int-e> (smiley because I rather suspect that this isn't the real problem... though C is bound to make this stuff quite verbose)
15:29:40 <Taneb> int-e, ah, but you see, my long term goal is to enter the IOCCC
15:29:59 <int-e> Taneb: well, at least prototype in a different programming language
15:30:28 <int-e> in order to avoid bridging too many levels of abstraction at once
15:32:40 <oerjan> if the circles have radii r, R and distance D, then you get some pythagoras r^2 = h^2 + x^2; R^2 = h^2 + X^2, x+X = D
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15:34:11 <oerjan> with the intersections being h away on the normal between them at distance x and X from either.
15:34:44 <oerjan> or if the centres are at (-x,0), (X,0), the intersections are at (0, +-h)
15:35:39 <oerjan> no solutions if r+R < D.
15:36:23 <oerjan> or r+D < R or R+D < r, i guess.
15:37:50 <oerjan> r^2 - R^2 = x^2 - X^2 = D*(x - X)
15:39:03 <oerjan> = D*(D - 2*X), so X = D - (r^2 - R^2)/D
15:39:23 <oerjan> er *X = (D - (r^2 - R^2)/D)/2
15:39:48 <oerjan> hm not a square root in sight, can that be right
15:40:01 <oerjan> (you'll get one in h, of course)
15:41:25 <oerjan> x = (D + (r^2 - R^2)/D)/2
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15:42:10 <oerjan> h^2 = x^2 - r^2 = urm
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15:45:04 <FireFly> I should think about some IOCCC submission ideas too…
15:46:02 <oerjan> = D^2/4 + (r^2 - R^2)/2 + (r^2 - R^2)/(4*D^2) - r^2
15:47:14 <oerjan> bah never mind, you should already have x and r.
15:48:10 <oerjan> Taneb: ^
15:49:20 <oerjan> as usual, my attempt to think math attracts noise from the neighbors.
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17:57:54 <Taneb> @tell oerjan Many thanks
17:57:54 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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20:20:32 <zzo38> This document is draft of picture format of TAVERN http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/tavern.ui/wiki?name=Pictures You can write comment/suggestion/question/complaint of it please.
20:28:46 <int-e> > 1
20:28:48 <lambdabot> 1
20:28:54 <int-e> @botsnack
20:28:54 <lambdabot> :)
20:28:56 <int-e> @version
20:28:56 <lambdabot> lambdabot
20:28:56 <lambdabot> git clone https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot
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21:51:54 <int-e> . o O ( lambdabot: so how do you like NYC? )
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23:40:42 <boily> `wisdom
23:40:43 <HackEgo> foe//the foe is the Field-On Enemy
23:40:54 <boily> F O E! F O E! ♪
23:42:02 <int-e> who's writing a foeilleton?
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23:42:26 <int-e> though perhaps that's not musical.
23:43:06 <int-e> . o O ( a floete is an unfriendly instrument )
23:45:46 * boily thwacks int-e. 0.20 FP.
23:46:17 <boily> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB_PVPyn6n8
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23:48:05 <boily> hellørjan.
23:48:22 <oerjan> helloily.
23:48:34 <oerjan> @messages-gold
23:48:34 <lambdabot> Taneb said 5h 50m 39s ago: Many thanks
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23:50:53 <oerjan> is lambdabot in new york now?
23:51:30 <oerjan> . o O ( surely you weren't keeping it on CaC... )
23:52:00 <boily> CaC?
23:52:14 <boily> @ask lambdabot hellombdabot. where are you?
23:52:14 <lambdabot> Nice try ;)
23:52:28 <oerjan> cloud at cost
23:52:41 <oerjan> where HackEgo still is
23:52:59 <boily> oh, that Wretched Thing.
23:53:37 <fizzie> HackEgo: So how do you like Canada?
23:54:53 <boily> fizziello. Canada isn't wretched hth
23:55:10 <fizzie> No, but that's where CaC lives.
23:55:33 <fizzie> http://www.kwdatacentre.com/ <- there
23:55:46 <boily> *gasp*
23:56:09 <fizzie> ("Kitchener" is a funny name.)
23:56:28 <fizzie> (So's "Kirkland".)
23:57:57 <boily> I like Kirkland. it's Costco's inhouse brand. it's made of good.
23:58:09 <fizzie> It's also a city, I think.
23:58:21 <fizzie> I think we've got an office there.
23:59:00 <fizzie> https://careers.google.com/locations/seattle-kirkland/ apparently so
23:59:24 <boily> it's a suburb in the West Island: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkland,_Quebec
23:59:41 <shachaf> fizzie: Are you moving to Kirkland?
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