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00:07:40 <int-e> `quote oerjanic food
00:07:41 <HackEgo> No output.
00:07:51 <int-e> `quote food
00:07:52 <HackEgo> 51) <oklopol> actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge \ 111) <fungot> ais523: elf corpses are not considered expensive health food. but the most expensive. \ 348) * perlmonkey is pursuing the line of reasoning that eating raw foods can improve cognitive function
00:09:09 <wob_jonas> do we have a python3 interpreter here?
00:09:09 <wob_jonas> `python3 -e print("hello")
00:09:10 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: python3: not found
00:09:34 <wob_jonas> https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#int
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00:31:12 * oerjan spots FireFly on PPCG
00:33:20 <int-e> . o O ( pretty portable code generation )
00:33:49 <oerjan> and now i swatted him down -----###
00:34:39 <int-e> `learn PPCG is pretty portable code generation. Unfortunately, it's prone to overflowing the stack.
00:34:42 <HackEgo> Learned 'ppcg': PPCG is pretty portable code generation. Unfortunately, it's prone to overflowing the stack.
00:35:11 <oerjan> that it is. in python especially.
00:35:14 <wob_jonas> (short summary of convn on -blah: kerbal's integ interpreter had strange ideas about how to compute division of bigints, so we had some talk about how floor division and truncating division and the corresponding reminder works, and how write them in python)
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00:36:49 <wob_jonas> (it's a language that supports bigint literals, and bigint literals are the most terse way to encode long data in a program, more efficient than trying to store multiple small integers, so I was trying to use that to write a program)
00:38:53 <int-e> Sounds like it's basically a dc dialect to me. (I have not really looked at Integ yet)
00:39:13 <wob_jonas> int-e: yes, but much more verbose
00:40:06 <wob_jonas> it's prefix syntax, not postfix, but almost everything is written like operator(operand) or operator(operand0)(operand1) or operator(operand0)(operand1)(operand2) where operator is one byte of punctuation and the parenthesis are required
00:40:11 <wob_jonas> so many parenthesis everywhere
00:42:04 <int-e> in dc, integer literals are also the most compact way of storing data that you want to operate on (yes, you have strings, but only very limited string manipulation; basically, print or execute)
00:42:23 <wob_jonas> int-e: yeah
00:42:31 <wob_jonas> but this is worse:
00:42:49 <__kerbal__> I am here, you know :)
00:42:59 <wob_jonas> in dc you could have multiple integer literals with one character separator between and put them to an array
00:43:33 <wob_jonas> in Integ it needs at least 6, probably 7.5 extra characters per integer literal
00:43:49 <wob_jonas> and I think they're always decimal, unlike in dc which allows base 36 or something
00:45:18 <wob_jonas> anyway, it would be possible to use a decimal bigint literal to put data to an integ program, but it's a bit difficult to decode until kerbal fixes division
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01:22:00 <oerjan> @metar ENVA
01:22:00 <lambdabot> ENVA 152350Z 12007KT CAVOK 14/11 Q1006 RMK WIND 670FT 16007KT
01:24:12 <oerjan> `slwd rain//s,^r,R,
01:24:14 <HackEgo> rain//Rain is a natural bird repellent. Also chickens.
01:24:39 <fizzie> @metar EGLL
01:24:40 <lambdabot> EGLL 160020Z AUTO 27011KT 9999 NCD 13/09 Q1020
01:25:07 <fizzie> It's 24.6 degrees indoors.
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01:39:12 <int-e> @metar lowi
01:39:12 <lambdabot> LOWI 160020Z AUTO 25004KT 9999 SCT090 BKN100 17/16 Q1020
01:39:21 <int-e> too humid
01:40:03 <oerjan> looks like a common european problem.
01:58:08 <wob_jonas> oerjan: except here
01:58:20 <wob_jonas> japan is much more humid
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02:03:51 <__kerbal__> wob_jonas: Do you mind if I make "So many parentheses everywhere" the official motto of Integ 1.1? I think it's a really funny statement
02:04:01 <__kerbal__> I'm serious
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02:10:07 <wob_jonas> kerbal: no problem
02:10:52 <int-e> Lots of Irritating Superfluous Parentheses <-- a bit of a precedent
02:11:39 <wob_jonas> int-e: verbose syntax gets especially problemetic when the language doesn't have user-definable functions of any sort
02:11:53 <wob_jonas> if you need functions, you have to emulate them with loops
02:12:03 <wob_jonas> and a stack or something
02:12:10 <wob_jonas> you know, like brainguck
02:12:27 <int-e> just implement a UTM
02:12:43 <int-e> I'm only half kidding.
02:12:45 <wob_jonas> but unlike brainfuck, this at least has a random-access one-way infinite tape of bigints
02:13:18 <__kerbal__> wob_jonas: Thank you
02:13:28 <__kerbal__> I will try to improve the syntax
02:13:32 <wob_jonas> int-e: the problem is that the online interpreter only evals one irc line at a time, no persistence or multiple buffered lines or anything, and with verbose syntax there's not much you can do in one line
02:14:06 <wob_jonas> int-e: also it has add, subtract, and multiply of integers
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02:26:03 <int-e> `` dc<<<zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz+z+zz+++++Pzz+zzzzzz+++++++Pzz+z+z+zz+++++Pzzzzzzz+++++++++++P
02:26:04 <HackEgo> goQN
02:26:08 <int-e> oh.
02:26:22 <int-e> `` dc<<<zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz+z+zz+++++Pzz+zzzzzz+++++++Pzz+zz+zz+z+zz+++++Pzzzzzzz+++++++++++P
02:26:23 <HackEgo> golf
02:26:35 <wob_jonas> int-e: yuo can `dc -eprogram
02:26:48 <int-e> that's not even shorter
02:27:01 <wob_jonas> it is, no double backtick
02:27:02 <int-e> oh, it is
02:27:04 <wob_jonas> hehe
02:27:09 <wob_jonas> yeah, I can't count either
02:27:25 <wob_jonas> `dc -ezp
02:27:26 <HackEgo> 0
02:27:40 <wob_jonas> `dc -ezzp
02:27:40 <HackEgo> 1
02:27:56 <wob_jonas> what the heck does that do? I don't know dc
02:28:03 <wob_jonas> oh, z is the length operator, right?
02:28:05 <int-e> push the current stack depth
02:28:10 <wob_jonas> AH
02:28:11 <wob_jonas> stack depth
02:28:12 <wob_jonas> not length
02:28:13 <wob_jonas> ok
02:28:24 <wob_jonas> `dc -ezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzppppp
02:28:25 <HackEgo> 15 \ 15 \ 15 \ 15 \ 15
02:28:31 <wob_jonas> `dc -ezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzPPPP
02:28:32 <HackEgo>
02:28:42 <wob_jonas> `dc -ezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzpsppsppsppspp
02:28:42 <HackEgo> 15 \ 14 \ 13 \ 12 \ 11
02:28:56 <int-e> z+P is the smallest print-complete fragment, I think, unless you count zP (but that runs into severe practical problems)
02:30:16 <wob_jonas> um
02:30:22 <wob_jonas> `dc -e11111111Zp
02:30:23 <HackEgo> 8
02:30:47 <wob_jonas> `dc -e11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111ZP
02:30:48 <HackEgo> A
02:30:54 <wob_jonas> how about 1ZP?
02:31:13 <wob_jonas> `dc -e11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111ZP1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111ZP
02:31:13 <HackEgo> DC
02:31:22 <wob_jonas> doesn't that work too?
02:31:45 <int-e> `` dc <<<zzzzzzzzzzz+z++++++++++P
02:31:46 <HackEgo> A
02:32:00 <int-e> yes it does, though it's inferior for golfing.
02:32:08 <wob_jonas> yeah
02:38:03 <int-e> `` dc <<<zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz+z+z+Pzzzz+z+z+Pz+zz++Pzz+++P
02:38:04 <HackEgo> golf
02:39:16 <int-e> `` dc<<<zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz+zz++Pzzzz+zz+z++P+zzz++++Pzz++zz++++Pzzz+z+zz+++++Pz+zz++Pzz+z+Pzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz+z+++Pz+zz+z++Pzzzz+z+++Pzzz++z++Pzzz++++P+P
02:39:17 <HackEgo> Hello, world!
02:40:07 <wob_jonas> nice
02:40:13 <int-e> (funny, I produced that almost exactly a year ago... of course I wrote a small Haskell program to help with the optimization)
02:41:50 <hppavilion[0]> So if I close too many parentheses, the universe might end
02:41:54 <hppavilion[0]> while(true) { ); }
03:01:25 <FireFly> oerjan: oh oops, somehow I'd missed that other sed submission, ah well
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11:42:50 <boily> `w
11:42:52 <HackEgo> grammar//Grammar is just the evil subset of syntax.
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17:39:25 <shachaf> `olist 1076
17:39:25 <HackEgo> olist 1076: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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18:09:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Triangular]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52170&oldid=52113 * MD XF * (+3443)
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20:54:02 <zzo38> O, now Node.js has "N-API", which should be a better way to make add-ons, although currently is only experimental. It can be used with C as well rather than only C++, and is meant to be independent of the underlying JavaScript engine.
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21:40:23 <int-e> `grwp turtle
21:40:32 <HackEgo> No output.
21:40:38 <__kerbal__> wob_jonas: I have some ideas about function notation in Integ
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21:41:56 <int-e> Integ: "There is currently no text in this page."
21:42:19 <__kerbal__> int-e: I know, I apologize
21:42:33 <int-e> @google "integ" programming language
21:42:35 <lambdabot> Plugin `search' failed with: connect: does not exist (No route to host)
21:42:46 <int-e> hmm, that's not supposed to happen anymore?!
21:42:48 <int-e> @google "integ" programming language
21:42:50 <lambdabot> https://github.com/kerbin111/Integ
21:44:41 <__kerbal__> Here's an example operator definition using the proposed revised syntax: (2a}0+{1{2). This definition would create an operator with two operands that would return the sum of its operands
21:44:57 <__kerbal__> The first number is the number of operands
21:45:09 <__kerbal__> The letter is the operator designator
21:46:34 <__kerbal__> Relative memory address 0 is the output address
21:46:47 <__kerbal__> (Within the parentheses, relative addresses are used)
21:46:47 <wob_jonas> kerbal: I think you fixed the division
21:46:53 <__kerbal__> I think I did
21:47:25 <__kerbal__> and 1 and 2 (basically, the numbers between 1 and the number of operands number, if there are operands) are input addresses
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21:48:08 <__kerbal__> When the operator is used, an additional operand will be used to denote the initial absolute address of the relative memory addresses
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21:49:43 <__kerbal__> so, for example, a(0)(2)(2) would apply the a operator, with storage for the operator allocated starting at address 0. Therefore, the output will be returned, but also stored at address 0 (both relative and absolute) and the input will be stored at 1 and 2 when it is provided. In this case, the input is 2 and 2, so memory cells 1 and 2 both get the value 2
21:50:15 <__kerbal__> So, in effect, you have to allocate storage for user-defined operators
21:51:53 <__kerbal__> Note that if you use relative memory addresses, say, 3 and 4 in a, but you only have 2 inputs, the relative memory addresses do not serve return or parametric purposes but must be considered as well
21:52:57 <__kerbal__> The parentheses will be used for function definition; under the new syntax rules, function definition may end up being the only place where parentheses are used
21:53:30 <__kerbal__> I think that separating integer constants with | would be more concise than separating them with parentheses
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21:54:28 <__kerbal__> I've been creating a new syntax parser for the proposed revisions to the syntax
21:54:30 <wob_jonas> kerbal: that depends on how many single-digit constants you expect
21:54:37 <__kerbal__> how so?
21:54:56 <__kerbal__> 1|2|3 vs (1)(2)(3)
21:55:00 <wob_jonas> if there are a lot of single digit constants, then like 42(10)8 is shorter than 4|2|10|8
21:55:16 <wob_jonas> no no. the parenthesis would be optional for single-digit constants
21:55:23 <wob_jonas> because single-digit constants are common
21:55:52 <wob_jonas> just look at how many my code in the other channel has, even next to each other
21:55:58 <wob_jonas> and count the () as zero constants
21:56:15 <__kerbal__> I was just thinking that all adjacent integer constants could be separated with |
21:56:21 <__kerbal__> regardless of length
21:56:29 <wob_jonas> but that's more verbose probably
21:57:10 <wob_jonas> possibly even more than now if you also have user-defined functions since they'll take number parameters often
21:57:26 <wob_jonas> ok, now how can I make this code more concise
21:58:19 <__kerbal__> Honestly, though, I think that working with }42 where 4 and 2 are separate is novel, but slightly confusing
21:58:20 <wob_jonas> maybe if I twisted it so the data comes last, not first
21:59:51 <wob_jonas> that might not help much
22:00:08 <wob_jonas> damn it, this language is HARD
22:00:17 <wob_jonas> maybe if I somehow used a base less that 90
22:00:32 <wob_jonas> but the decoder for that would be tricky
22:00:58 <wob_jonas> it probably couldn't gain much
22:03:16 <wob_jonas> how hard would it be to decode the digits from left?
22:03:54 <wob_jonas> probably wouldn't be shorter
22:05:42 <shachaf> `? poset
22:05:43 <HackEgo> poset? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
22:05:47 <shachaf> `? partial order
22:05:48 <HackEgo> A partial order is just a small thin skeletal category.
22:06:20 <__kerbal__> `wisdom
22:06:21 <HackEgo> relrod//A relrod is a machine useful for finding the Force.
22:06:28 <__kerbal__> `wisdom
22:06:29 <HackEgo> zimbabwe//olsner's desk points zimbabwards. It is highly dependent on tswett's michiganic orientation.
22:07:19 <__kerbal__> wob_jonas: I'm leaving home in a second, but I have changed the settings so that the bot SHOULD not shut off
22:07:57 * relrod looks up
22:11:59 <zzo38> Now I made JPEG encoder you can specify any quality setting from 1 to 17701.
22:17:52 <wob_jonas> ekrbal: can you try this? http://dpaste.com/231MSGV
22:17:56 <wob_jonas> kerbal: can you try that one?
22:18:00 <wob_jonas> it's too long for an irc line
22:18:12 <wob_jonas> I'm not sure if it works
22:19:39 <wob_jonas> no wait
22:19:41 <wob_jonas> let me fix that
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22:24:31 <fizzie> Hm. Am I supposed to be able to stick in {-# OPTIONS_GHC -lfoo #-} in a file if I don't want to put -lfoo on the command line?
22:24:46 <shachaf> I'm not sure you can do that with link-time options.
22:25:04 <fizzie> It says "dynamic" in the flag reference, but it doesn't seem to work either.
22:25:21 <wob_jonas> fizzie:https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.0.2/docs/html/users_guide/glasgow_exts.html#options-ghc-pragma
22:25:52 <shachaf> What information is that link supposed to convey?
22:26:06 <fizzie> I guess it does say "when compiling this source file", as opposed to linking something.
22:26:15 <wob_jonas> dunno
22:26:19 <wob_jonas> that's all the docs I know there is
22:26:25 <wob_jonas> ghc docs are vague
22:26:39 <fizzie> This is in re XMonad configuration, and xmonad --recompile can't take link-time flags either.
22:26:42 <wob_jonas> you could try asking in #haskell though, there are people there who are pretty knowledgable about ghc and reply quickly
22:27:14 <int-e> fizzie: given that -l is a link time flag I'd not expect that to work... but that doesn't mean it won't
22:27:32 <wob_jonas> ;integ }(3)(200206446310994740193442)](125)](40)](51)](41)](40)}(4)(-({(3))(1))~(?(}(3)(/({(3))(10)))(1)())(}(4)(+(+(11)(%({(3))(10)))(*(90)({(4)))))~(?({(4))(1)(0))(](+(37)(%({(4))(90)))}(4)(/({(4))(90)))
22:28:14 <fizzie> I could just not use xmonad --recompile, it's got that annoying thing where it pops up an xmessage window for the errors as well.
22:29:41 <shachaf> xmonad --recompile mode is great.
22:29:46 <shachaf> Properly esoteric software design.
22:29:57 <wob_jonas> kerbal: try this: http://dpaste.com/1C3K0R1
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22:35:41 <fizzie> They made xmonad --restart no longer pass the state in a command line argument, it uses a file now.
22:37:14 <shachaf> whoa whoa whoa
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22:37:52 <shachaf> That's unfortunate.
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23:28:03 <zzo38> Reversing all of the bits in a 64-bit number can be done in MMIX with two MOR instructions and one 64-bit constant.
23:32:20 <zzo38> Apparently some people are trying to send HTTP requests to my SMTP server
23:32:25 <APic\splat> Ok.
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23:47:59 <boily> hellørjan.
23:48:40 <oerjan> goily kveld.
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