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00:16:38 <tswett> Well, since I'm spewing the link everywhere else...
00:16:47 <tswett> I created this Discord server for speaking in/about Interlingua. https://discord.gg/bHk4V4N
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04:47:59 <zzo38> When will the next version of SQLite be released? I want the version with window functions (and some bug fixes, one of which I reported, and it has been fixed now but not released yet)
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09:48:48 <wob_jonas> zzo38: be patient. window functions are a major new functionality, not trivial to implement correctly without compromising the usual reliability of sqlite, they need some time to iron out the bugs.
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12:07:52 <wob_jonas> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/intelligence => "Original"? dude, that's basically the plot of the *Phineas and Ferb* special episode "Night of the Living Pharmacists" upside down. It's not original. Very few of SMBC is.
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14:14:33 <arseniiv> wob_jonas: your comment reminded me one of details I loved in P&F: that evil scientists there are _always_ thought of as pharmacists by laymen :D
14:50:37 <wob_jonas> arseniiv: one of the many running gags, yes
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16:09:42 <wob_jonas> The SD cards I ordered on ebay have arrived in the mail today from Hong Kong. Hopefully they're genuine Kingston, not fakes.
16:10:46 <wob_jonas> But the surprise is: the envelope has postage stamps. There's someone who still uses postage stamps today, and sells consumer electronics. At least the address is on adhesive paper printed with a laser printer, not typewritten.
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16:20:42 <wob_jonas> I'll be able to test the write speed of course. If the write speed isn't what they promised, then it's a fake.
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16:55:30 <zzo38> wob_jonas: I think you are correct about window functions, but I have not seen any recent coding about window functions (although at the time there was, there was many changes due to fixes due to bugs and that stuff)
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17:00:32 <zzo38> Would you want window functions in UPDATE statements?
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17:05:06 <wob_jonas> `ehlist http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/comics/2657949/when-it-all-lands-right-in-your-lab/
17:05:07 <HackEso> /srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ehlist: not found
17:05:26 <wob_jonas> Everyday Heroes continues, with a new artist
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17:18:41 <zzo38> Do you know how to write in Latin? http://zzo38computer.org/gurpsgame/1.ui/wiki?name=Session+9 If you know then the mention of the Latin inscriptions, we can mention in there, their writing in Latin as well as English; currently I only have English. (Near the beginning of that there is the mention of the Latin inscriptions in the box)
17:19:28 <wob_jonas> zzo38: no, I don't know how to write in latin
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17:36:28 <arseniiv> zzo38: I’ll ask my calligraphic friend
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17:44:52 <zzo38> OK, hopefully they know
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17:46:28 <arseniiv> zzo38: now just asked, let’s wait for an answer
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18:03:34 <arseniiv> he somewhat struggles to translate “really” in these cases, maybe he’ll translate it later after consulting dictionaries, if it’s not urgent
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18:07:09 <wob_jonas> We just had a short (few minute long) power outage affecting more than this house. It was immediately obvious, because I heard a generator spin up, and I was in a mobile phone call (2G) and the call broke and then the cell tower coverage restarted 20 second later. The cell tower is on a taller house on the other side of the street.
18:09:12 <zzo38> arseniiv: It isn't urgent, so that is OK.
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18:15:50 <wob_jonas> And a second power outage, but only for like 30 seconds this time. Cueing house alarms immediately. I guess the electricity grid was switching back from some backup connection to the normal one.
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18:20:58 <HackEso> infrastructure? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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18:21:45 <int-e> . o O ( Infrastructure is what you don't notice or care about unless it's failing. )
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18:41:57 <wob_jonas> shachaf: I'm playing Running out. while I think an alien that doesn't speak in the standard galactic alphabet is unrealistic, obviously other parts of game design override that.
18:42:50 <zzo38> Speech in alphabets? I thought is the alphabet to use for writing.
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18:43:33 <wob_jonas> The game is very helpful with giving a lot of labels: even before I get past the first obstacle (which I could do even without reading anything) I could decode so many labels that I have the transcription of 22 out of 26 ASCII letters, and since most of them appear in multiple uses, I can even confirm which one is the typo you were talking about
18:43:57 <wob_jonas> zzo38: well, the game shows the alien's speech as writing in the user interface
18:44:19 <wob_jonas> or telepathic communications, if he's doing that. I don't know which.
18:44:48 <zzo38> Still maybe some telepathic communications are difficult to understand
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18:53:42 <wob_jonas> basically, most letters except for the rare ones
18:58:52 <int-e> Yeah you can dig into the resources for the remaining 4-5 letters.
19:00:06 <wob_jonas> I don't need them until they appear in some label, and they'll probably be unambiguous the first time I meet them
19:00:39 <int-e> wob_jonas: you won't encounter them :P
19:02:35 <wob_jonas> oh! the inventory typo makes even more sense now
19:03:06 <int-e> hmm, maybe there are two typos
19:03:46 <wob_jonas> what I don't like is how quickly some text replies disappear
19:03:55 <arseniiv> two wrongs^W^W two typos in the same place don’t make an untypo
19:05:19 <int-e> wob_jonas: I made screenshots and then copied new letters in The Gimp :P
19:06:13 <int-e> so yes, I agree, they are too fast
19:06:13 <wob_jonas> and sometimes error messages appear partly outside the screen
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19:11:40 <arseniiv> one En-Ru dictionary tells me that “typo” is a typographical jargon for “typographer” first. Is it outdated or is it really in use by some outdated^W typographers? I mostly use En-En dictionaries these times, but sometimes I want to translate a word or other, and this dictionary then often confuses me by its strange articles or by lacking a translation for a vital, common phrase (mostly going Ru→En for this one)
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19:13:13 <int-e> everyone is a typographer these days
19:13:57 <int-e> (more seriously I thought it stood for "typographical error" and has found a new life simply meaning "spelling error" perhaps even "typing error")
19:14:19 <int-e> In any case typos certainly aren't what they used to be.
19:17:11 <wob_jonas> I'm at the first hard puzzle part after the introduction
19:18:21 <arseniiv> I agree nowadays “typo” is not anything typographical but is specifically a typographical error, and by transfer, a spelling or typing mistake, but so blarantly write it means “typographer” nowadays without even tagging it properly…
19:21:16 <arseniiv> just can’t believe were they (that dictionary’s compilers) that inconsiderate?
19:22:01 <arseniiv> they totally could have been, though
19:22:25 <int-e> how many entries are there, when was the entry added, and when was it last revised? (the latter information would be a useful addition to dictionaries (am I sounding like zzo38?)))
19:23:43 <wob_jonas> int-e: if it doesn't tell when it was last revised, then either it's an old dictionary or a cheap bad one.
19:23:57 <int-e> wob_jonas: I meant on each individual entry
19:25:58 <wob_jonas> I think that would only make sense in a digital dictionary online that is refreshed continuously
19:26:03 <int-e> So, perhaps this would be meaningful information: how big is the market for en-ru dictionaries? This correlates with how much effort publishers can put into creating, verifying, and updating those entries.
19:26:16 <wob_jonas> now I'm trying random commands by the way, in case one of them works
19:30:54 <wob_jonas> And yes, my first guess from the game title and the Diablo inventory window was right
19:31:46 <int-e> damn I missed that
19:32:12 <wob_jonas> int-e: have you played the wire game, also by tom7? wire connector
19:32:24 <wob_jonas> it had a softlock bug, which tom7 knew about but didn't have time to fix
19:32:36 <wob_jonas> and my guess was that he turned that bug into a game feature now
19:33:36 <int-e> if so, he subverted it
19:34:27 <arseniiv> I think that would only make sense in a digital dictionary online that is refreshed continuously => yeah, it’s a digital one but not a web one, it was originally shipped on CDs with its shell app
19:35:16 <wob_jonas> arseniiv: is it updated in any way after the CDs?
19:35:22 <wob_jonas> also, can you tell what dictionary it is?
19:35:49 <wob_jonas> if it's based on a paper dict, it's possible that for most entries they simply don't have the info of when it was last modified recorded
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19:37:03 <arseniiv> the developer came to be famous for OCR software, but they also worked with various digital+linguistic stuff, so some dictionaries for various language pairs, mostly Ru↔other
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19:39:03 <wob_jonas> and sometimes messages are buffered so you have to wait until the old irrelevant ones scroll past before you see the newest message
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19:40:27 <wob_jonas> I'm at the second or third puzzle and the obvious things I tried don't work
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19:42:16 <arseniiv> 2008, 100k articles, 37 references to dictionaries, British National Corpus and a specialized forum, hm
19:42:58 <wob_jonas> arseniiv: is this a ru<->en dictionary?
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19:43:47 <wob_jonas> not typo, just message showing in inappropriate case
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19:44:36 <arseniiv> wob_jonas: I think there are newer versions of it, but I think these “archaic mentions” here and there are there almost from the start, so maybe they remain further, too (let me search something…)
19:44:50 <arseniiv> also I think they’ve taken too much
19:45:23 <arseniiv> if it's based on a paper dict, it's possible that for most entries they simply don't have the info of when it was last modified recorded => yeah there are references to many paper dictionaries
19:45:25 <esowiki> [[Your Minsky May Vary]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57346&oldid=46037 * Zseri * (+5)
19:48:02 <int-e> and a blatant physics violation
19:50:38 <wob_jonas> and now I'm solving the inventory puzzle
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19:52:52 <wob_jonas> do I have to restart from a soft-lock? but even then I don't quite see
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19:56:24 <wob_jonas> but totally characteristic of tom7
19:57:34 <zzo38> Is it possible in DOSBOX to set the date/time only for one DOS session?
19:59:44 <wob_jonas> the end. I don't know if there's a true ending I missed.
19:59:56 <wob_jonas> but it faded to dark and took me back to title screen
20:00:24 <arseniiv> wob_jonas: is this a ru<->en dictionary? => yeah, to and from
20:00:45 <wob_jonas> arseniiv: is it a good one? or are you still trying to decide that?
20:01:40 <int-e> wob_jonas: congrats, and thanks for getting rid of those pesky aliens :)
20:02:16 <wob_jonas> Kirk says "Please make yourself". I don't know if I've made myself.
20:03:46 <zseri> I tried to fetch the dump from esolangs.org via zsync, which fails. But it succeeds if I manually download the zsync file to use http instead of https. Maybe http should be the default when the zsync file is fetched via http; and via https if the zsync file was fetched via https?
20:03:49 <arseniiv> wob_jonas: I use it rarely these times. A while ago, I used an earlier version of it more often and I haven’t mistranslate anything AFAIR
20:04:20 <arseniiv> mostly it sucks when I search for an interjection or a common phrase, to find it missing
20:04:20 <int-e> wob_jonas: it's "Please make yourself at home!"
20:04:49 <int-e> (which is a strange phrase)
20:04:49 <arseniiv> but it’s simply because it’s not that big
20:04:53 <wob_jonas> I thought it was "Please make yourself comfortable"
20:05:09 <quintopia> my answer to that is usually "aw, but home's an hour away and i just got here!"
20:05:13 <wob_jonas> If there's a true ending, then either it's connected to Kirk, or to that one item I couldn't find out what to use for
20:06:22 <wob_jonas> quintopia: tom7's new game, http://runningoutof.spacebar.org/
20:06:30 <int-e> wob_jonas: there's no other ending.
20:06:42 <wob_jonas> int-e: have you read all the code?
20:06:51 <int-e> and I found this one perfectly satisfactory.
20:07:11 <wob_jonas> what? the one I got just faded black and went back to the opening title screen
20:07:12 <shachaf> wob_jonas: Oh, huh, you never did use that one item, did you
20:07:24 <shachaf> Opening title screen? It didn't go to a music-playing screen?
20:07:41 <wob_jonas> music-playing, but the opening title is also a music-playing
20:07:55 <int-e> wob_jonas: I got a black screen, rather than the opening screen
20:08:03 <shachaf> As far as I know the game ends when you bibcbfvg gur pncgnva'f obql
20:09:17 <wob_jonas> I wonder if someone's already submitted a real-time speedrun somewhere
20:12:27 <int-e> anyway, typo; the third letter of the third command is wrong... or perhaps it's just alien terminology.
20:12:33 <zseri> fizzie: zsync dump sync fails often if https is used in Z-URL in the .zsync file, but it doesn't, if http is used (my local installed zsync doesn't seem to work well with https); is it possible to let the zsync file use https in Z-URL if ..xml.zsync if downloaded via https; and http otherwise?
20:12:46 <wob_jonas> int-e: no, that's what I thought at first, but no:
20:13:16 <wob_jonas> that might be alien terminology, yes
20:13:36 <wob_jonas> don't forget that tom7 invents words like "unibycle" and "anaglyph"
20:13:47 <wob_jonas> I think it's the last letter of the second command that's wrong
20:13:49 <int-e> "alient terminology" is certainly the excuse I would use if I were tom7 :)
20:14:12 <shachaf> int-e: The third command is the one I wrote above in rot13?
20:14:12 <wob_jonas> it is at least consistently used that way in messages
20:14:42 <wob_jonas> it's not only typoed in the command, also in messages
20:15:08 <int-e> wob_jonas: and the file names for the animation
20:17:23 <wob_jonas> hehe, kirk has directional hearing. if you stand in front of him, he doesn't reply.
20:21:02 <quintopia> oh cool. tom7 is a cool guy. i'll check it out later.
20:21:52 <wob_jonas> quintopia: this is a game he made for a game creation marathon, where he composes original graphics, music, gameplay and game implementation to a short deadline
20:22:08 <wob_jonas> he has made several such games in the past, linked from his internet
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20:47:41 <zzo38> There is Tom7's "Escape" game, possibly after Free Hero Mesh is made, it can be ported to Free Hero Mesh.
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20:49:16 <int-e> wob_jonas: connector world is so brutal
20:59:32 <wob_jonas> It looks like there will likely be no rain or wind on Saturday or Sunday. I might risk not taking a jacket.
21:01:16 <wob_jonas> I have to leave. Goodbye, everyone.
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21:02:22 <zzo38> I got a message from valgrind that says "Warning: set address range perms: large range [0x395a5040, 0x74f51a40) (undefined)" do you know what this message is?
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21:04:53 <zzo38> Actually I think I figured out why; the difference of those two numbers is the same as the SQLite maximum length of a SQL statement, and I had a allocation of that size even though it should be smaller, but I fixed it now
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21:49:23 <zzo38> Despite that I still do not know why it says "(undefined)" afterward and those stuff, although I found out the mistake in my program that caused that message
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22:24:39 <zzo38> Do you know if DOSBOX can emulate PC joysticks?
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