00:15:22 <int-e> So it turns out to be not-a-bug, but a pretty subtle one. (You can call it a "clever optimization" instead... except I'm pretty sure I didn't justify it when I wrote the code.)
00:22:51 <shachaf> oerjan: did you baba yet twh
00:24:04 <int-e> . o O ( bug is you )
00:24:52 <shachaf> Did you solve that one level with the bugs blocking the exits and the belts?
00:24:58 <shachaf> And then that one other level.
00:25:13 <oerjan> int-e: i seem to have completely accidentally (except for ignoring *three* attempts by the server to reject my post) indirectly caused the yafgc comic author to go ballistic over a (nearly certain) troll. admittedly he was ripe for it...
00:25:31 <shachaf> I don't remember the details but I liked the second one.
00:25:35 <int-e> shachaf: I have 220 levels solved, but does that answer the question?
00:25:59 <shachaf> I already knew the answer because you have all the flowers.
00:26:27 <shachaf> I gotta get back to this game. I only have gjb beof.
00:27:01 <int-e> oh... that is tricky.
00:27:25 <int-e> (I don't know what I would have done without the aforementioned spoiler in the changelog.)
00:27:42 <int-e> But I don't have a flower for meta :/
00:28:03 <int-e> and I suspect that's my missing achievement.
00:28:40 <shachaf> Do you know what you're missing there?
00:29:23 <int-e> After digging into data files, I think there's one level that ought to be marked as finished but wasn't.
00:30:20 <shachaf> Hmm, I'm not sure which spoiler you're talking about.
00:31:30 <int-e> It was in the March 18th news.
00:34:14 <shachaf> I think I may have tried to do that thing in the past, in ???
00:34:24 <shachaf> But maybe it's a different thing.
00:34:39 <shachaf> I'll try it again next time I run it.
00:51:58 <int-e> shachaf: you're in the right place though.
00:53:08 <int-e> shachaf: V guvax vg qbrfa'g pbhag vs lbh pbyyrpg gurz fvzhygnarbhfyl, naq lbh znl fgvyy unir gb jva gur yriry nsgrejneqf. Ohg V'z abg fher jung gur cerpvfr pbaqvgvbaf ner.
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00:54:44 <shachaf> int-e: I was trying to figure out what was going on and I read one spoiler too many apparently. :-(
00:54:58 <shachaf> So I found the hidden level in Meta.
00:54:59 <int-e> Anyway. By now I've messed up my first savegame and I'm not inclined to start from scratch. And I don't know whether I'm missing a trick or whether I'm encountering a bug. The history of bugs in the game is not reassuring.
00:55:09 <shachaf> And the name of the level doesn't make me feel great, either.
00:55:15 <int-e> Oh is there a hidden level?
00:55:21 <int-e> Maybe I'm missing that...
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00:55:57 <shachaf> It's called "n cevmr jryy rnearq"
00:56:10 <shachaf> I don't think I would've thought to look there.
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00:58:51 <int-e> yeah I can confirm that I'm missing that one.
01:01:46 <int-e> Ooh. Yeah I don't think I would've found that one, ever. Now to get there...
01:04:02 <shachaf> Getting there is easy if you've won the level.
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01:13:38 <shachaf> Oh man, gur jngre pna nyfb or n yriry
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01:27:28 <int-e> shachaf: hmpf now I have sbhe obav.
01:28:08 <int-e> and still no flower for meta.
01:32:59 <int-e> apparently I'm missing 'nabgure jnl' as well.
01:57:21 <int-e> Okay. That did it. Final achievement achieved.
01:57:40 <int-e> So... I make it 222 levels.
01:59:02 <int-e> Time to delete this time sink. :/
02:00:01 <shachaf> I closed it but I think I'm at 212 or so.
02:00:20 <int-e> It may be 223 now because of a new level added in the latest update.
02:00:24 <shachaf> Are obav distinct from beof?
02:00:58 <shachaf> I know you can do beo vf obahf and also x is obahf for other xs, but it didn't seem to do much.
02:00:59 <int-e> No, I'm just using the adjective rather than the noun.
02:02:07 <int-e> Anyway, it's all gone, including the savegame so I won't be tempted to quickly reinstall and check stuff.
02:05:48 <int-e> So there are two hidden levels in meta, and I missed them both.
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02:12:58 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck extensions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60983&oldid=56293 * Tastyfish * (+17) Add Brainfuck++ to Files
02:46:52 <esowiki> [[RarVM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60984&oldid=60979 * Void * (+105) /* Hierarchical resource models: intent vs transfer */
02:49:09 <kmc> I read "Brainfuck existentialism"
02:49:16 <kmc> sounds like my kind of party
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08:37:54 <rain1> bmk do you have a gopher?
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17:09:28 <b_jonas> [ 'oh hey, j-bot is on again!'
17:09:29 <j-bot> b_jonas: oh hey, j-bot is on again!
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17:48:01 <oren> Country roads, lets-a-goooo, its-a-meee, Marioooo! Mushroom Kingdom, Bowser Koopa! Let's-a-gooo, Mario!
17:50:30 <shachaf> The other day I needed a font and it seemed impossible to get a simple bitmap to fontificate from.
17:58:27 <oren> http://fontificate.samlecuyer.com/
17:58:47 <shachaf> Put some text on the screen.
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18:36:27 <kmc> good morning all <3
18:36:42 <kmc> I'm in a park trying to pick up amateur radio from the international space station
18:38:42 <kmc> so far no luck
18:46:08 <b_jonas> kmc: on which continent are you?
18:46:30 <b_jonas> also, what frequency of radio waves is this you're trying to pick up
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19:08:09 <kmc> b_jonas: north america. san francisco
19:09:00 <kmc> and it's on 145.800 MHz, 2m ham band. FM modulated SSTV tones
19:11:05 <b_jonas> it's still midday there, so that makes it worse
19:22:53 <b_jonas> or so I think, but you're the HAM guy
19:38:58 <kmc> while I wait I'm scanning some rail frequencies on my HT :)
19:39:03 <kmc> (HT = handheld ham radio)
19:39:14 <kmc> HAM is not an acronym :P
19:39:31 <kmc> and, I'm not sure how the day/night cycle affects VHF
19:39:35 <kmc> on HF it depends on the band
19:39:44 <kmc> 20m is better in the day, 40m is better at night
19:39:54 <kmc> that's because they mainly work by bouncing off the ionosphere
19:40:09 <kmc> VHF doesn't for the most part, although there are sporadic events where it does, and in that case you can get much longer range
19:40:29 <kmc> for the most part VHF is a local/regional thing, and depends on line of sight. that's why repeaters installed on mountain tops are so widely used on VHF
19:42:50 <b_jonas> huh what? isn't it waves much longer than that that bounce off the ionosphere?
19:45:17 <kmc> HF refers to 160m through 10m
19:45:21 <kmc> also known as "shortwave"
19:45:55 <kmc> for VHF it would depend on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporadic_E_propagation
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19:46:55 <b_jonas> yeah, I just assumed every radiowave comms was easier during the night, but I see that's too much of a simplification
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