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14:14:20 <wib_jonas> if I calculate correctly, 1/29 & 2/29 = 318/158369, with the above mentioned bitwise or on rationals
14:18:52 <wib_jonas> in fact you can get a bit better, 1/29 & 4/29 = 275720/268435455
14:19:05 <riv> I think that bitwise or basically gives you a random number <= the two numbers
14:19:31 <riv> sorry, not <=, >= , but < the next power of 2
14:20:05 <riv> so I would not really expect any pattern or bound beyond the bound you would get from analyzing a random version
14:26:09 <wib_jonas> riv: it's not a random version. I deliberately chose a bad divisor. in particular, 1/43 & 2/43 = 40/5461, and that's the worst you can get with 43 as the divisor. so not all divisors are that bad.
14:28:12 <wib_jonas> similarly bitwise anding two numbers with divisor 89, you only get four decimal digit divisors. but 1/83 & 2/83 = 1428779509760/182518930210733 is fifteen digits.
14:28:38 <wib_jonas> but all this is preliminary, I'll have to check those calculations properly later
14:32:02 <tromp> 1/29 & 4/29 = 488/475107
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14:47:46 <wib_jonas> and 1/121 & 2/121 = 1670295609603574/4359484439294640007 a long result with non-prime divisor
14:51:59 <wib_jonas> http://oeis.org/A139099 may be relevant on a pure numeric basis
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14:52:54 <wib_jonas> or http://oeis.org/A179383 , who knows
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15:05:44 <wib_jonas> the original idea was to consider an esoteric language that has rational number arithmetic built in, so I was wondering what operations it would need to have. obviously it would have rational constants, add/subtract, multiply/divide, lessthan/lessequal/equal/notequal, min/max, then I thought you should throw in gcd/lcm (so you can easily extract
15:05:44 <wib_jonas> the denominator of x like x/gcd(1,x)). then I thought it should have bitwise operations too like a normal language that has integer arithmetic built in, and wondered about the consequences of that.
15:06:16 <riv> well, there's fractran!
15:06:28 <riv> so i think your idea could work great
15:07:45 <wib_jonas> also it would need floor/ceil or some kind of integer division and modulo
15:07:58 <wib_jonas> (any of the lots of variants with different rounding)
15:08:35 <wib_jonas> I wasn't thinking of fractran, this was for an idea different from that, and it probably doesn't even need rational numbers, but my thoughts led to a weird place
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15:09:06 <wib_jonas> but apparently there's a good reason why you don't include bitwise operations when computing with rational numbers, because the resutls can be too long
15:11:51 <wib_jonas> so suddenly it got esoteric in a very different way than I started from
15:17:08 <wib_jonas> though of course you could just add bitwise operations that only take the integer parts of the input
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18:34:01 <zzo38> Can a adjacency matrix be used to canonize a unlabeled graph (even without storing the adjacency matrix, possibly)?
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18:43:45 <b_jonas> zzo38: if you mean both the vertexes and edges are unlabeled, the kind of no, as in not in a way that's both fast and uses a simple algorithm. the problem is that a fast algorithm would imply that you can solve the graph isomorphism problem fast, and while that is probably possible, we don't have an algorithm known for it.
18:45:34 <b_jonas> zzo38: if you are willing to spend exponential time, then yes, you can absolutely canonicalize the graph: just consider all node permutations, permute the matrix rows and columns according to it, and take whichever permuted adj'cy matrix is lexicographically the first among all permutations.
18:50:52 <int-e> "exponential time" can often be fast. e.g. https://pallini.di.uniroma1.it/
18:52:39 <b_jonas> int-e: yes, we can solve all practical cases quickly
18:53:03 <int-e> (They focus on finding graph automorphisms, but the same techniques can also be used to canonicalize graphs)
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19:26:08 <zzo38> OK, that is what I thought
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01:52:17 <Soni> how many states would you need to describe a modern computer as a FSM?
01:53:40 <Corbin> It's the obvious answer; there's not much symmetry, aside from maybe dividing out the permutations from general-purpose registers.
01:54:03 <kit-ten> 2^(sum of total memory including disks in bits)
01:55:34 <kit-ten> which is some really large number that is not reasonably calculatable
01:57:34 <Soni> 2^(8*2^(bus width))?
01:58:18 <Soni> who needs disk space
01:58:37 <Soni> besides, 48-bit is about 256TiB
01:58:47 <Soni> 64-bit already includes all your disk space
01:58:57 <kit-ten> my pc has so little ram that it pretty much needs swap
01:59:02 <int-e> <please insert disk 23132555123>
01:59:21 <kit-ten> once i tried using a floppy disk as swap
01:59:47 <Corbin> Soni: What's your goal? The biggest space that you can reasonably explore is 64-bit floating-point numbers, I'd estimate.
01:59:50 <Soni> 1.44MB swap vs 64KiB RAM?
02:00:57 <Soni> are there even 8-bit micros with multitasking OSes?
02:00:57 <int-e> Soni: Do you know what an "overlay" is from that 640kb era?
02:01:57 <Soni> int-e: not really, we weren't alive at the time
02:02:27 <kit-ten> i wasnt alive when floppy disks were commonly used at all but here we are
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02:02:43 <kit-ten> ayyy howdy razetime, didnt know u were here
02:03:21 <Soni> somehow we did manage to catch ppl using windows 95 tho
02:03:35 <Soni> or well, one person
02:03:58 <kit-ten> this post was made by the ms dos gang
02:04:06 <Soni> XP was just better for the most part
02:04:09 <int-e> Soni: basically when your code was too big people made that part swappable... you could load an "overlay" a kind of module into its own code segment on demand and then jump into it... (they were relocatable via segment registers)
02:04:53 <int-e> kit-ten: 364 is odd, are you sure it isn't 384?
02:04:58 <kit-ten> soni i must agree yea but if youre more technically inclined slitaz is the way to go
02:06:01 <Soni> int-e: segment registers are weird and we're glad we never had to deal with them
02:06:24 <int-e> Soni: heh have a look at how thread local storage works on x86 and x86-64
02:06:57 <Soni> int-e: we thought those just used page tables
02:07:33 <int-e> they don't. which is a good thing, because you can switch between threads of the same process without changing page tables
02:08:27 <int-e> though there are several ways to design around that
02:08:38 <kit-ten> soni you and a couple people often refer to themselves as "we" and i wondered why, is it just a habit or is it something to fit with they/them pronouns bc theyre plural too
02:08:57 <int-e> but x86 had segment registers... so *one* of them still survives for that purpose. the others are there but have madatory values.
02:09:02 <Soni> kit-ten: they/them pronouns aren't necessarily plural - "themself" vs "themselves"
02:09:26 <Soni> kit-ten: https://morethanone.info/
02:10:12 <int-e> (or is it two? I'm not sure whether both fs and gs can be used for these things or not)
02:10:47 <Soni> int-e: well that's just sad
02:10:47 <int-e> anyway, they have little to do with segments from the 16 bit x86 era.
02:11:10 <int-e> uh, that's not narrow enough. real mode, specifically.
02:11:19 <Soni> page tables are great for real thread-local storage
02:11:33 <int-e> 286's protected mode had segments with more or less arbitrary base addresses, but no pages.
02:12:28 <Soni> means the TLS doesn't leak to other threads
02:12:52 <int-e> I wonder... can x86-64 switch threads in userspace?
02:13:04 <int-e> but isolating threads against one another is a fool's errand
02:13:23 <int-e> they share the whole memory map after all, why exclude the TLS?
02:13:28 <shachaf> What is thread switching? Are you including setting the segment register?
02:13:52 <int-e> yeah, I mean reloading ... fs, I think.
02:14:10 <int-e> historically that's a user space operation
02:14:17 <shachaf> Certainly people implement userspace threads, but usually in that case you still want per-OS-thread TLS and per-userspace-thread TLS.
02:14:25 <Soni> int-e: oh no they share the TLS memory map too it would just map to different physical memory for each thread
02:14:29 <zzo38> The words "they" and "you" are plural, but can refer to singular, too.
02:14:36 <int-e> shachaf: I mean switching OS threads within the same process
02:14:56 <int-e> not light-weight threads, that's a different can of worms
02:15:19 <fizzie> Both fs and gs survive, and IIRC Linux and Windows picked the exact opposites to use for TLS purposes.
02:15:30 <Soni> but this is all Cursed Stuff
02:15:31 <shachaf> Linux has the system call arch_prctl for setting fs.
02:15:39 <shachaf> But I don't think you can do it yourself.
02:15:47 <fizzie> And did both of them swap it between x86-32 to x86-64 to end up with the opposites again? Something like that.
02:16:05 <int-e> Soni: Well, it turns out that switching the physical pages for TLS space is just one point in the design space.
02:16:08 <shachaf> You can't even read fs in userspace, in fact, I think?
02:17:26 <Soni> (also, not gonna lie, still longing for the ability to say fuck it to stack sizes and just set everything to 256TiB and still have 65535 concurrent threads + a 256TiB heap)
02:17:27 <fizzie> There's MSRs (FSBase, GSBase) for setting the base address instead of going via a segment selector.
02:17:37 <Soni> (we have 64-bits why not use *all* of it)
02:17:59 <int-e> shachaf: I'll try to find out... the question is really, how much of what 32 bit x86 did (full segment register support, including loading them from user space) survived the transition to 64 bit.
02:19:00 <int-e> Maybe they went back and forth on this? "With the Ivy Bridge CPU generation Intel introduced a new set of instructions to access the FS and GS base registers directly from user space. These instructions are also supported on AMD Family 17H CPUs."
02:19:20 <shachaf> Oh, oh, I think I remember something about that.
02:19:23 <fizzie> FWIW, pretty sure segment selectors are still a thing for other attributes, it's just that the base addresses of memory accesses with cs/ds/es/ss are forced to zero.
02:19:55 <shachaf> I think in Linux the standard thing to do is to write the value of %fs to %fs:0, so you can just read it from there.
02:19:59 <int-e> fizzie: well, the associated descriptor tables (GDT, LDT) are gone in 64 bit mode.
02:20:56 <fizzie> 3.5.2 "Segment Descriptor Tables in IA-32e Mode" says so.
02:21:02 <Soni> (well, 65534 threads if you want a 256TiB TLS too)
02:21:19 <zzo38> Should the operating system emulate the instruction if the CPU is a older one without the instruction (or if it has but is not allowed in user mode)?
02:21:25 <fizzie> Yes, IA-32e mode means x86-64.
02:21:46 <zzo38> Why does it say "IA-32e" then?
02:21:53 <Soni> (which, by the way, would be EXTREMELY useful! have you ever tried writing .so plugins in rust only to find you keep running out of TLS?)
02:21:59 <fizzie> Because that's what Intel decided to call it, before EM64T, and then Intel 64.
02:22:05 <int-e> hrm, okay that confuses me.
02:22:16 <fizzie> It stands for "IA-32 extensions", because it's *extended* from that, as opposed to something like Itanium.
02:23:45 <fizzie> "System descriptors are expanded to 16 bytes (occupying the space of two entries). GDTR and LDTR registers are expanded to hold 64-bit base address." And so on.
02:24:46 <fizzie> 5.2.1 "Code-Segment Descriptor in 64-bit Mode" "Code segments continue to exist in 64-bit mode even though, for address calculations, the segment base is treated as zero."
02:25:19 <int-e> Ah, the stacks for each privilege level survive in the TSS, so TSSs have to continue to exist, so the GDT has to continue to exist...
02:25:36 <fizzie> "Some code-segment (CS) descriptor content (the base address and limit fields) is ignored; the remaining fields function normally (except for the readable bit in the type field). Code segment descriptors and selectors are needed in IA-32e mode to establish the processor's operating mode and execution privilege-level."
02:26:38 <fizzie> The bit switching between 64-bit mode and compatibility mode is also in the selected CS descriptor.
02:28:02 <fizzie> I think I got the impression that you could still load FS and GS base addresses via the descriptor tables, too, but other ways of doing it (like those MSRs) were added as well. Never really gotten too deep on the lore.
02:32:49 <fizzie> Oh, it was a little more subtle than that. You can load a 32-bit address via descriptors, but you need to do something else to load a full 64-bit base address.
02:33:19 <int-e> Yeah I got there: "Normal segment loads (MOV to Sreg and POP Sreg) into FS and GS load a standard 32-bit base value in the hidden portion of the segment register. The base address bits above the standard 32 bits are cleared to 0 to allow consistency for implementations that use less than 64 bits."
02:34:04 <int-e> ...so code segments are still a thing?
02:35:29 <fizzie> Yeah. "Software with CPL = 0 (privileged software) can load all supported linear-address bits into FS.base or GS.base using WRMSR." Plus those new {RD,WR}{FS,GS}BASE instructions you mentioned for "avoid[in]g the overhead of the arch_prctl() syscall and allow[ing] more flexible usage of the FS/GS addressing modes in user space applications", to quote from
02:35:31 <fizzie> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/x86/x86_64/fsgs.html
02:36:32 <fizzie> (How did that 'g' end up outside the brackets?)
02:36:59 <int-e> Oh you quoted this... code segments exist but the base is treated as 0.
02:37:37 <int-e> ] and g are on two different hands?
02:38:51 <int-e> (Oh I'm assuming US layout)
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02:39:44 <int-e> (not that this is different in the other layouts I know, but I'd be less likely to type g and altgr-8 or whatever it would be for DE out of order)
02:40:11 <int-e> (for example, of course)
02:40:58 <fizzie> Yeah, it's altgr-9 in the Finnish one. Makes all those things that hardcode [] for a shortcut to cycle through things a little annoying.
02:41:52 <int-e> *checking* yeah altgr-8 would be right
02:42:22 <int-e> (one of the more annoying things when I switched was that () are shift-8 and shift-9 on the DE layout...)
02:42:43 <fizzie> We (well, I'm not using it any more, so they) have {[]} in that order as the level-3 shift characters of 7890. And () as shift-8/9 too.
02:42:57 <int-e> so I had trouble with parentheses for a while
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02:43:20 <int-e> and yeah, DE does the same for {[]}
02:44:06 <int-e> It's the curly braces in particular that drove me to the US layout.
02:45:15 <int-e> (before, I placed my right thumb on Alt-Gr and then the right index finger on the 7, that's not very ergonomic)
02:47:13 <int-e> or maybe s/index finger/middle finger/, I'm not sure
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04:18:02 <int-e> alsamixer is back to looking awful, wtf did they change this time...
04:35:58 <int-e> Mumble. They added a `set background <color>` option. What are the chances that this broke the more elaborate coloring offered through `color <elment> ...`?
04:39:21 <int-e> pretty damn good is what they are
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04:55:10 <int-e> (cf. https://github.com/alsa-project/alsa-utils/issues/137 )
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05:49:38 <esolangs> [[Talk:Yoctostack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92285&oldid=92240 * Otesunki * (+509) /* Branching */
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08:48:03 <esolangs> [[Yoctostack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92289&oldid=92288 * Otesunki * (+3)
08:49:43 <esolangs> [[Yoctostack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92290&oldid=92289 * Otesunki * (+0) REGROUP TABLE DUE TO READABILITY COMPLAINTS FROM MORTALS
08:50:01 <esolangs> [[SMETANA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92291&oldid=73561 * Sigmundur * (+279) Added more detail how it's run
08:50:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:Yoctostack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92292&oldid=92285 * Otesunki * (+147)
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12:24:36 <wib_jonas> "And did both of them swap it between x86-32 to x86-64 to end up with the opposites again?" => wait what?
12:26:12 <wib_jonas> int-e: IIUC, x86_64 is designed that you can run an x86_64 and x86_32 code in the same process and address space at user level, jumping between them with long jumps, and this does actually happen on x86_64 win32, but can't on Linux because the kernel doesn't have support for it and kernel support is required
12:29:12 <wib_jonas> it's not that it would be impossible to make it work in Linux if you modified the kernel, but it would have so few uses and so many bugs that it's just not worth to support
12:29:24 <wib_jonas> but from the point of view of the CPU architecture itself it makes sense to support this
12:35:40 <fizzie> wib_jonas: AIUI, on Linux (at least for glibc-based systems), on i386 the %gs segment base is where the user-space thread structure lives, and is used for TLS. On x86-64, that's changed to use %fs instead. By contrast, the Win32 "Thread Information Block" is located using the %fs segment register on 32-bit systems, and %gs on 64-bit ones.
12:36:13 <fizzie> First few random Google hits on this (https://wiki.osdev.org/Thread_Local_Storage for the former, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32_Thread_Information_Block for the latter) would seem to agree.
12:38:35 <fizzie> The structures would obviously be entirely incompatible anyway, so I don't think there's any particular consequences from them being the opposites, I just found it amusing that both changed in the 32-bit/64-bit transition to stay as opposites. (Although maybe it has some implications for Wine?)
12:39:16 <wib_jonas> sure, I don't think it has any bad consequences or anything, especially after the x86_32 are already different
12:40:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:QuineLang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92294&oldid=92257 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+440) Reply
12:40:34 <wib_jonas> x86_64 win32 and x86_32 use different enough calling conventions that you almost always have to be aware of the difference when writing machine code, so using different registers for thread specific values as well doesn't matter too much
12:47:49 <esolangs> [[Mash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92295&oldid=90172 * LegionMammal978 * (+23) add cat
12:54:43 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92296&oldid=92251 * LegionMammal978 * (+0) /* M */
13:03:18 <esolangs> [[BoolX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92297&oldid=89894 * LegionMammal978 * (+0) fix title
13:09:05 <esolangs> [[Pinecone]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92298&oldid=89932 * LegionMammal978 * (+24) add cat
13:18:22 <esolangs> [[Duh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92299&oldid=90162 * LegionMammal978 * (+14) fix title
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13:57:59 <esolangs> [[User:CappyIsCrappy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92301&oldid=92300 * CappyIsCrappy * (+2)
13:58:11 <esolangs> [[BF instruction minimalization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92302&oldid=87087 * CappyIsCrappy * (+283)
14:05:32 <esolangs> [[User talk:Palaiologos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92303&oldid=92235 * Palaiologos * (+162)
14:11:37 <kit-ten> razetime do you know what she means by "further actions"
14:12:25 <kit-ten> how can i get her to forgive me
14:18:38 <riv> are you guys from discord?
14:19:28 <Corbin> Is this off-wiki or on-wiki drama? Also, have you tried sitting down in a quiet place and deliberately not thinking of anything for a few minutes?
14:23:49 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Manjoos * New user account
14:24:52 <wib_jonas> I was wondering if I should create a wisdom entry saying something like "Corbin is the most frequent #esolangs regular without a wisdom entry", but then I realized
14:25:05 <wib_jonas> there's no wib_jonas wisdom entry. there's one for wob_jonas and b_jonas.
14:25:27 <wib_jonas> I guess I should just move the wob_jonas entry to wib_jonas
14:26:18 <riv> fungot: this is rather esoteric
14:26:19 <fungot> riv: _i'm_ having trouble remembering what foo was. :( only one? if the obsolete one is called syntax-rules. how does your aunt do the printing?
14:26:27 <wib_jonas> ``` mv -vi /hackenv/wisdom/w{o,i}b_jonas
14:26:30 <HackEso> renamed '/hackenv/wisdom/wob_jonas' -> '/hackenv/wisdom/wib_jonas'
14:26:34 <HackEso> wob_jonas is b_jonas in disguise, so that he can do magic tricks.
14:26:38 <esolangs> [[User:CappyIsCrappy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92304&oldid=92301 * CappyIsCrappy * (-12)
14:27:07 <wib_jonas> ``` sed -i s/wob/wib/ /hackenv/wisdom/wib_jonas
14:27:10 <HackEso> /hackenv/wisdom/wib_jonas//wib_jonas is b_jonas in disguise, so that he can do magic tricks.
14:27:15 <HackEso> wib_jonas is b_jonas in disguise, so that he can do magic tricks.
14:28:29 <wib_jonas> (there's also no wisdom entry for callforjudgement, but he also only used to be a regular like wob_jonas)
14:34:58 <esolangs> [[User talk:Palaiologos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92305&oldid=92303 * Not applicable * (+324)
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14:37:48 <Corbin> Ah, it's Discord drama.
14:38:49 <kit-ten> i did something stupid and now she hates me
14:39:19 <riv> can we kick em out
14:39:32 <riv> the person who just ignored me
14:40:06 <kit-ten> sorry i dont want to bring drama here its just that via the wiki is the only way i can talk to her
14:40:19 <riv> then don't? PM your friend to talk about it
14:56:04 <esolangs> [[Yoctostack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92306&oldid=92290 * Otesunki * (+15) bryh
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15:12:58 <wib_jonas> I did a web search about the bitwise operation on rationals thing. I didn't find much useful, but one thing that they pointed out is that if you start doing that, acting on fractional bit, then suddenly the number of all ones bit (such as you'd get from bitwise complimenting a zero) isn't …11111, but …11111.11111…. So if you're using a two's
15:12:59 <wib_jonas> compliment representation where …11111 means -1 then suddenly the old rule for bitwise compliment where ~x = -1-x changes to ~x = -x; and if you're using one's compliment where …11111 means -0 then ~x = -x changes to the weird ~x = 1-x.
15:23:39 <wib_jonas> fungot, is there such a project as Google Ear, or is that just a truncated Google Earth logo?
15:23:40 <fungot> wib_jonas: scheme needs its own record type. i like fiddling with) right now is that esoapi and easel both assume the esolang has the concept of let-keywords let-optionals quite repulsive), but
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16:16:28 <esolangs> [[Her]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92307 * Orisphera * (+3531) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Her |author=[[User:Orisphera|Orisphera]] |year=[[:Category:2022|2022]] }} :''Note that the Russian for '''Her''' as ''''''. '''''' is not a va..."
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18:44:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:Baa]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92311 * CappyIsCrappy * (+28) Created page with "Discuss about '''baa''' here"
18:45:43 <esolangs> [[Works in progress]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92312&oldid=90083 * CappyIsCrappy * (+10)
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19:31:38 <int-e> my alsamixer issue was fixed within 4 hours
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20:00:46 <esolangs> [[Cratefuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92317&oldid=92249 * DigitalDetective47 * (+363) /* Examples */ Add truth-machine
20:04:59 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92318&oldid=92200 * DigitalDetective47 * (+359) /* Implementations */ Add cratefuck
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20:29:27 <esolangs> [[CV(N)(C)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92319&oldid=79675 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Consonants */ rename duplicate command
20:46:14 <tromp> int-e: do you know what it takes to make type L Hashable?
20:48:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Viba]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92320 * LegionMammal978 * (+170) Created page with "Can you post the [[UCanCode]] implementation you wrote? Thanks! ~~~~"
20:48:39 <tromp> i tried instance Hashable L where hash l = hash (show l) but ghc complains about No instance for (GHC.Generics.Generic L)
20:49:01 <tromp> never mind; solved it with instance Hashable L where hashWithSalt i l = hashWithSalt i (show l) instead....
20:50:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Nutrition facts]] to [[Nutrition Facts]]: fix title
20:50:36 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Talk:Nutrition facts]] to [[Talk:Nutrition Facts]]: fix title
20:50:55 <esolangs> [[Nutrition Facts]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92325&oldid=92321 * LegionMammal978 * (+30) add cat
20:52:45 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92326&oldid=92315 * LegionMammal978 * (-13) /* T */
21:04:50 <esolangs> [[QKAS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92327&oldid=90530 * LegionMammal978 * (-90) fix link
21:10:07 <int-e> tromp: beware that my Show instance was lossy, so you may want to check that.
21:11:31 <tromp> i'm only showing normal forms; so i'mgood:)
21:12:35 <tromp> also, for hashing, loss is only an efficiency issue, not correctness one
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21:59:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Tobi]] to [[TobiLang]]: fix title
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01:05:08 <esolangs> [[SMETANA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92334&oldid=92293 * Oerjan * (+30) Put references in a section
01:16:42 <oerjan> <riv> https://cp4space.hatsya.com/2022/01/14/conway-conjecture-settled/ this was linked in math offtopic <-- wait a moment, i recognize old channel regular oklopol's real name on that
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01:22:09 <esolangs> [[Yoctostack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92336&oldid=92335 * Otesunki * (-6) /* Turing completeness proof */
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02:30:27 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Stardust]]": Author request: content before blanking was: " '''Stardust''' is a (family of) programming language(s) by [[User:PixelatedStarfish]]. It is designed such that an arbitrary sequence of characters can be interpreted as source describing a program, including ASCII art, source written in other langu
02:30:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[A;jad;dj]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "[[File:dABowie.png]]"
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02:32:18 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Vyxaaaallalllalalallala]]": Not useful; content before blanking was: "#REDIRECT [[Vyxal]]"
02:34:10 <kit_ten> damn thats a lot of deletions
02:36:06 <oerjan> kit_ten: i went through all the 0 size entries in Special:ShortPages
02:38:20 <oerjan> we have a custom that if a page's author blanks it, we interpret it as a request to delete
02:38:33 <oerjan> but there was a bit of a backlog :)
02:38:53 <oerjan> i skipped a few that had incoming links, though
02:38:53 <salpynx> Did Tundra have any redeeming features? There doesn't seem to be a way for interested bystanders to check after a deletion.
02:42:00 <salpynx> Not sure I trust all authors to know when one of their languages should be removed (either). Removing stuff from the public domain is something ppl can have strong feelings about.
02:43:41 <salpynx> Election 2020, while possibly not a great esolang (not that I can check now), or however embarassing now to the original author, arguably captures something about a point in history....
02:43:51 <oerjan> salpynx: in the case of Tundra it was deleted the day after being created, and the github link is dead
02:44:01 <salpynx> This is not a hill I plan to die on though :D
02:46:45 <esolangs> [[Airline Food Turing-completeness Proof]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92337&oldid=90756 * LegionMammal978 * (+13369) replace images with wikitext
02:49:20 <esolangs> [[Campbell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92338&oldid=90781 * LegionMammal978 * (-9) fix formatting
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03:51:09 <zzo38> Some authors might prefer "pure wiki deletion"; I would do since you might want to access the history. However, maybe it contains stuff they don't want on there at all, I don't know
03:52:03 <zzo38> Or might not contain anything that is worth anything
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03:53:51 <zzo38> If there was only a few words and no valid links or information, then it might OK to be deleted, but if it is deleted then you cannot easily check that.
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04:43:35 <Sgeo> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bub has Geocities links
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09:09:21 <b_jonas> `ioccclist sadly no contest announcement or anything, just a new version of the size measuring tool
09:09:23 <HackEso> ioccclist sadly no contest announcement or anything, just a new version of the size measuring tool: b_jonas rain2 rain1 Taneb
09:09:38 <b_jonas> https://www.ioccc.org/index.html
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11:27:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * FCeardFalkenberg * New user account
11:34:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92347&oldid=92260 * FCeardFalkenberg * (+300) Added my name to the list
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12:14:00 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * FCeardFalkenberg * uploaded "[[File:Chad.png]]"
12:15:35 <esolangs> [[Felix Ceard-Falkenberg]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92350 * FCeardFalkenberg * (+242) Created page with "[[File:Chad.png|thumb|right|A picture of me.]] Hi, my name is Felix. <br> All you have to know about me is that I fought god and I won.<br> On the right you can find a pictur..."
12:16:59 <esolangs> [[User:FCeardFalkenberg]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92351 * FCeardFalkenberg * (+242) Created page with "[[File:Chad.png|thumb|right|A picture of me.]] Hi, my name is Felix. <br> All you have to know about me is that I fought god and I won.<br> On the right you can find a pictur..."
12:29:03 <wib_jonas> fungot, would you call yourself the price of progress
12:29:03 <fungot> wib_jonas: i am not debating that.
12:34:02 <esolangs> [[Maj7]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92352&oldid=92348 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+76) Add categories, fix links
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12:52:25 <fizzie> fungot: A bot with a 'tude.
12:52:26 <fungot> fizzie: i that is not is not is not that obvious, even when it is not compatible with the windows down.
12:54:10 <fungot> wib_jonas: he fixed it. :) if you are
12:57:43 <esolangs> [[Baa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92353&oldid=92316 * CappyIsCrappy * (+172)
12:58:21 <esolangs> [[Baa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92354&oldid=92353 * CappyIsCrappy * (+2) /* Print every Unicode character */
13:15:14 <esolangs> [[Her]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92355&oldid=92307 * Orisphera * (+5) /* I/O */
13:15:32 <esolangs> [[Her]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92356&oldid=92355 * Orisphera * (-4) /* Stack Manipulation */
13:22:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:Baa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92357&oldid=92328 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+217) /* Line indexing */ one-indexed
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13:59:31 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92358&oldid=92347 * Bryankrn * (+68) /* Introductions */
14:00:39 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92359&oldid=92358 * Bryankrn * (+18) /* Introductions */
14:01:17 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92360&oldid=92359 * Bryankrn * (+39) /* Introductions */
14:02:04 <esolangs> [[User:Bryankrn]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92361 * Bryankrn * (+241) Created page with "my channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_noGrm3Cg5eL6A7dmUXLBw aobut me https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_noGrm3Cg5eL6A7dmUXLBw/about my github https://github.com/lluc..."
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15:28:52 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92362&oldid=92360 * Staubfinger * (+308)
16:00:40 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92363&oldid=92345 * LegionMammal978 * (+12) /* R */
16:03:23 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[AAAAAAAAAAAAA]] to [[AAA]]: fix title
16:05:40 <esolangs> [[AAA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92366&oldid=92364 * LegionMammal978 * (+11) fix formatting
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17:55:26 <esolangs> [[Theta]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92370 * Peter * (+133) Created page with "{{stub}} Theta (named after the 8th letter of the greek alphabet) is an esoteric programming language designed by me ([[User:Peter]])"
18:10:54 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92371 * Peter * (+3) Created page with "hmm"
18:11:10 <esolangs> [[Theta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92372&oldid=92370 * Peter * (-121) Replaced content with "#REDIRECT "
18:11:21 <esolangs> [[Theta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92373&oldid=92372 * Peter * (+4) Redirected page to [[]]
18:12:02 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92374&oldid=92371 * Peter * (+74)
18:21:20 <esolangs> [[MC14500B]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92375&oldid=91451 * CappyIsCrappy * (+3)
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18:57:44 <b_jonas> fungot, what's the code point number for a figure space? in hex please
18:57:44 <fungot> b_jonas: don't worry about that for now
19:26:21 <esolangs> [[Baa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92376&oldid=92354 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+94) Add interpreter
19:34:58 <kit-ten> wait, fungot is a bot right
19:34:59 <fungot> kit-ten: i hear it sucks in certain ways, they must be quite broke to accept such a ridiculous offer, we want to
19:35:50 <kit-ten> BOTS ARENT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS INTELLIGENT
19:36:14 <fizzie> fungot: Stop sounding intelligent, you're freaking people out.
19:36:14 <fungot> fizzie: what joke did i miss anything interesting? -g
19:39:42 <fizzie> fungot: You wouldn't really expect a Befunge program to be so snarky.
19:39:42 <fungot> fizzie: the current manual at s48.org is yours?! :p
19:40:16 <kit-ten> oh my god its written in BEFUNGE???
19:40:36 <fizzie> That's what the "fung" in the name is from, yeah.
19:40:39 <fungot> https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
19:41:51 <kit-ten> ok so either youre a masochist or have a lot of time on your hands
19:41:58 <Corbin> fungot: There should be two functors from double categories to categories.
19:41:58 <fungot> Corbin: i typed it first. that's part of it, in fact
19:42:11 <Corbin> fungot: Be less legible than me.
19:42:11 <fungot> Corbin: but you have fnord of code improvement are applicable to many languages e.g., with no changes"
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21:03:58 <esolangs> [[Baa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92378&oldid=92376 * CappyIsCrappy * (+48)
21:06:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:Baa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92379&oldid=92357 * CappyIsCrappy * (+226) /* Thanks for making a interpreter for me! */ new section
21:06:54 <esolangs> [[User talk:CappyIsCrappy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92380 * CappyIsCrappy * (+16) Created page with "Discuss with me!"
21:08:14 <esolangs> [[Baa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92381&oldid=92378 * CappyIsCrappy * (+18)
21:09:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:Baa]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92382&oldid=92379 * CappyIsCrappy * (-1)
21:11:32 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Felix Ceard-Falkenberg]]": mainspace pages about people should ideally be written by others, or in any case from a neutral third-party point of view - keep userpages to userspace
21:12:25 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[File:Chad.png]]": Copyright violation
21:14:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:FCeardFalkenberg]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92383 * Ais523 * (+553) copyright violation warning
21:28:17 <esolangs> [[Baa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92384&oldid=92381 * CappyIsCrappy * (-31)
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05:30:05 <zzo38> 10.1145/3477113.3487274 mentions some problems with ISO C. I do think that improvements could be made, to make a better one. For example, in some cases should be limits on the kind of behaviour that may occur when it is undefined, not being as much strict aliasing (except in some cases), etc.
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09:14:03 <riv> I dont like how emoji looks different on different platforms. I think that is bad
09:16:53 <int-e> . o O ( I dont like ███ emoji █████ █████████ ██ █████████ █████████. █ █████ ████ ██ ███
09:17:47 <int-e> Anyway, glyphs look different in different fonts. Different platforms use different fonts. It's kind of unavoidable.
09:17:59 <riv> its ok with fonts
09:18:11 <riv> but it's not ok with pictures e.g. a face emoji can show a completely different emotion
09:19:04 <int-e> Emoticons forever! (Except that *of course* some clients will replace those by emojis.)
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09:39:14 <Taneb> Is this someone who hasn't realised that MediaWiki has a "Preview" function in its editor
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10:42:32 <b_jonas> Taneb: no, it's someone who sometimes makes mistakes, knows that saving all intermediate versions may let you track down and fix and learn from mistakes more easily, and knows that computer resources are cheap enough to do that
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11:02:20 <int-e> the logs aren't just for the page author and computers though
11:03:09 <int-e> (as for source code repos, there's the bisection issue that arises if you commit too many mistakes)
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11:17:53 <b_jonas> int-e: of course not. they're public wiki pages, someone else may want to fix mistakes by that author too.
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12:12:31 <esolangs> [[Theta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92419&oldid=92418 * Peter * (+245)
12:12:34 <oren> fun fact: it takes over 10 GB of disk space to compile LLVM from source!
12:45:33 <fizzie> It takes around 100GB of disk space to build Chromium.
12:46:11 <fizzie> No, it builds just fine on a system with measly 64 gigs of RAM.
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14:15:26 <b_jonas> in case anyone would have missed it otherwise, Knuth uploaded for testing a new pre-fascicle about grpah traversal at https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/fasc12a+.pdf linked from https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/news.html
14:54:22 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92438&oldid=92396 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Set membership */ Fix typo (maht -> math)
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15:00:16 <esolangs> [[Jumpback]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92440&oldid=92439 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+166) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Jumpback programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented.
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18:57:14 <esolangs> [[User:NR]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92456 * NR * (+188) Created page with "Hello, world. Name's '''Nan'''. I'm just passing by. ==Actual stuff: * Created an interpreter for [[Among Us]], available on my [https://github.com/Nanrech/Among-us-interpret..."
18:58:09 <esolangs> [[User:NR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92457&oldid=92456 * NR * (+4)
19:08:34 <HackEso> olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1252.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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22:05:36 <oerjan> maybe durkon will get to explain to serini why her plan is a really really bad idea
22:05:51 <zzo38> Why is LLVM that big? How does it compare with GCC?
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22:39:36 <b_jonas> oerjan: to tell the truth I'm much more sympathetic to Serini's position (though not his style) than most forum commenters seem to be. we know from #416 that the ritual takes a few weeks to complete, and has to be done at an immovable gate. if you want to confront Team Evil, you should do it when they're busy with a ritual, and tied to a place that Serini had prepared with all advantages for him, rather
22:39:42 <b_jonas> than any other place of Xykon's choice.
22:40:22 <b_jonas> there's the slight drawback that Xykon gains experience from exploring the dungeon of course
22:40:52 <b_jonas> but they are going to hurry trying to find the Gate
22:43:20 <b_jonas> the Order and especially Roy seems just too trigger-happy to meet Team Evil early
22:44:58 <b_jonas> the paladins are admittedly more patient
22:48:03 <int-e> oh no is that still going :P
22:48:17 <b_jonas> int-e: what is still going?
22:48:51 <b_jonas> fungot: is it still going?
22:48:51 <fungot> b_jonas: early 90s computer games are magic to the interpreter
22:48:52 <int-e> the wall of text comic otherwise known as Order of the Stick
22:50:02 <int-e> Did you know that not ending rhetorical questions with a question mark doesn't prevent people from answering them :P
22:50:13 <b_jonas> the Giant is one of the slower comic book writers, especially given that that's his full time job
22:51:40 <b_jonas> but it will probably only last like eight more years
22:51:57 <b_jonas> Darths & Droids will outlive it
23:03:12 <int-e> https://surlyqueen.net/comic/1147-feast/ . o O ( Great. Now how do I find number 1148? )
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23:07:46 <int-e> ah, here we go: https://surlyqueen.net/comic/1148-january-6th/ ...many broken links around here though, sigh.
23:08:27 <int-e> (googling inurl:https://surlyqueen.net/comic/1150 worked)
23:14:22 <esolangs> [[User talk:Palaiologos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92458&oldid=92387 * Not applicable * (+133) please respond
23:15:36 <int-e> let's see how far I get before google thinks I'm a bot
23:21:21 <int-e> oh god I'm making this so much harder than necessary... the links alternate between two different webcomics by the same author; click twice and it'll get me where I want
23:26:27 <oerjan> b_jonas: serini made it clear that her position is to let xykon _win_.
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23:37:00 <int-e> https://surlyqueen.net/comic/1161-adhesive/ <-- now this is the kind of strip that I actually follow that comic for.
23:37:53 <int-e> (And yes, I got all the way from 1147 to 1161 in half an hour. This may shine some light on why I can't stomach OotS)
23:39:30 <fizzie> Oh, I forgot about Darths & Droids somehow. I was definitely following it at some point, but it's been years.
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00:52:54 <oerjan> b_jonas: thinking about it further, her main goal is to prevent the last gate being destroyed at all cost. assuming that's where the ritual would have to be performed, it's also the _last_ place she'd want any fighting to happen. (although in a world with explicit narrative causality, it may be inevitable anyhow.)
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01:32:34 <b_jonas> oerjan: yes, at least she doesn't want the Order or the former Sapphire Guard fighting there, because she doesn't trust them. she probably has some traps and monsters and protection that she arranged herself, in a less stupid way than Lirian, and those can fight.
01:33:16 <b_jonas> oerjan: but the Order doesn't necessarily care about what Serini wants, and can almost certainly go there even if Serini doesn't want them to
01:37:25 <b_jonas> the ideal situation would be if the Order could remain hidden until all the protection in the dungeons weakened Xykon and Redcloak enough that the Order can surprise attack them, off Xykon, capture and talk to Redcloak. but that would be too much luck to hope for. the more realistic hope is that both Xykon and Redcloak are primary casters, and if they're casting a two week long ritual, that decreases
01:37:31 <b_jonas> their remaining spellcasting abilities such that they can't protect themselves properly without stopping the ritual and having to restart it, as many times as the Order wishes.
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08:35:06 <zzo38> I thought you once mentioned some kind of collection of numbered specification documents (after I had mentioned the Hollerith chording)?
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11:31:43 <b_jonas> zzo38: collection of numbered specification documents? that's http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/
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12:42:38 <b_jonas> fungot, in Earth's atmosphere, how does changing humidity affect the speed of sound if you keep temperature constant?
12:42:38 <fungot> b_jonas: i looked into clisp again live without it.
12:45:09 <fizzie> fungot: So you're planning to model this in Lisp?
12:45:10 <fungot> fizzie: what is the name, i can't really look it up.
13:10:30 <b_jonas> fungot: by the way, for the question I asked you earlier, I'm told that you can abort evolution in all core Pokémon games
13:10:31 <fungot> b_jonas: fnord riastradh reification is the construction of compilers by making the bnf longer than the original :) trying to find any text/ paper/ html/ r5rs-z-h-7.html%_idx_124 and
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13:31:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:SIC-1 Assembly Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92462&oldid=92461 * CappyIsCrappy * (+74) /* Can you put a "Reverse Sequence" solution here? */ new section
13:31:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:SIC-1 Assembly Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92463&oldid=92462 * CappyIsCrappy * (+101)
14:53:12 <esolangs> [[Her]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92464&oldid=92356 * Orisphera * (-14) /* Heap Access */
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17:25:57 <b_jonas> fungot, are you a plethora?
17:25:58 <fungot> b_jonas: later tell bunny consider the curried argument k to cps-t and how it is related! opposition is still relation.
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17:36:30 <b_jonas> fungot: I asked that already, haven't I?
17:36:30 <fungot> b_jonas: you said macros would be possible to redefine the public good so that good looks and superficial movies and music are the public good so that good looks and superficial movies and music are the public good so that good looks and superficial movies and music are the public good and that they will have to
17:37:00 <b_jonas> fungot: VBA calls it SHARED rather than PUBLIC, but sure
17:37:01 <fungot> b_jonas: openmcl's cocoa bridge. in fact, right here.
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17:55:19 <fizzie> fungot: Are you going all "sword alone can't stop" on us again?
17:55:20 <fungot> fizzie: as a consequence, semantic functions are defined compositionally by structural induction on program terms.
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19:36:56 <riv> sweardle shoudl be called 'bad wordle' much funnier
19:42:10 <tromp> here's a nice challenge for your combinatory logic engines: evaluate ((((A A)A)A)(A(A(A A))))A (or `````AAAA`A`A`AAA) where A = alpha = \x\y\z. x z (y (\_.z))
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20:20:34 <esolangs> [[Nightmare]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92466&oldid=92465 * Otesunki * (+99) fix formatting
20:21:15 <esolangs> [[Nightmare]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92467&oldid=92466 * Otesunki * (+1) make line shorter
20:21:59 <esolangs> [[Nightmare]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92468&oldid=92467 * Otesunki * (+8) label as wip
20:27:09 <esolangs> [[Nightmare]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92469&oldid=92468 * Otesunki * (+340) specify the result of every instruction
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02:00:37 <int-e> Ah I like this label name: 'out: loop { ... break 'out; ... }
02:02:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:Palaiologos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92470&oldid=92458 * Not applicable * (+140) just talk to me please
02:19:45 <shachaf> Which language is that again?
02:25:15 <esolangs> [[User talk:Palaiologos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92471&oldid=92470 * Oerjan * (+362) Please stop this nagging
02:25:25 <esolangs> [[SIC-1 Assembly Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92472&oldid=67338 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+27) Link to Subleq
02:32:15 <oerjan> i'm guessing the discord has a lot more drama than here
02:33:54 <oerjan> (well here has a lot less drama than it used to)
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08:57:18 <riv> oh rust has named breaks, neat
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09:41:56 <Taneb> I wasn't expecting the twist in today's Gunnerkrigg Court
09:51:38 <shachaf> Probably because I've never read Gunnerkrigg Court.
09:52:27 <myname> new rust has printf with scope access <3
09:52:54 <int-e> but is it a microsscope or a telescope
09:54:06 <riv> myname: I had tried to discuss this a bit here
09:54:25 <riv> I got thinking about format string languages and escaping and such
09:54:36 <int-e> Taneb: Oh I seem to have lost my GC link... a year ago... wow.
09:54:59 <myname> it's not really an issue in rust, because it's compiled down to ordinary print statements
09:55:01 <riv> I suppose there are 3 levels. array of code points, string literal syntax, and format string syntqax
09:55:13 <riv> string literals use \ to escape \ and "
09:55:22 <riv> but format strings use { to escape { and } to escape }
09:55:37 <riv> at first I thought this was bad, but maybe it's ok
09:55:51 <riv> but perhaps format string should be part of the language. So there is only 2 levels
09:56:06 <myname> why should this be bad?
09:56:12 <riv> I also started to write a quine with it but I got bored and didn't finish it
09:56:29 <myname> i find it more readable than the \ version
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