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03:29:51 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199439&oldid=199438 * Dragoneater67 * (+99) add funny link
03:30:13 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199440&oldid=199439 * Dragoneater67 * (+1)
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06:49:40 <esolangs> [[Mlm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199441&oldid=199137 * Spira. * (+19)
06:52:41 <de67> wow something happened
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06:54:17 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199442&oldid=198914 * RandomAnonyomous * (+16) 99 used to point to a disambiguation page
07:08:05 <esolangs> [[John Alpex]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199443 * Spira. * (+402) Created page with "'''John Alpex''' is [[:Category:Joke languages|joke]] [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:Spira.]] ==Commnds== {| !command!!description |- |<code>JO</code>||[[Hello, World!]] |- |<code>OHN</code>||[[Quine]] |- |<code>A</code>||output "JOHN ALPEX" |- |<code>LPE
07:08:58 <esolangs> [[User:Spira.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199444&oldid=199425 * Spira. * (+41)
07:12:49 <esolangs> [[MicroJohn Alpex]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199445 * Spira. * (+409) Created page with "'''MicroJohn Alpex''' is same [[John Alpex]] by [[User:Spira.]] but only lowercase letters ==Commnds== {| !command!!description |- |<code>jo</code>|| lowercase [[Hello, World!]] |- |<code>ohn</code>|| lowercase [[Quine]] |- |<code>a</code>||output "john alpex" |
07:13:43 <esolangs> [[User:Spira.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199446&oldid=199444 * Spira. * (-170)
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07:29:27 <aadenboy> goodnight
07:33:19 <de67> gn aadenboy
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08:15:55 <esolangs> [[Odynophagia]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199447 * Spira. * (+74) Created page with "{{lowercase}} ConstantLanguage("odynophagia") ===[[Quine]]=== odynophagia"
08:17:08 <esolangs> [[User:Spira.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199448&oldid=199446 * Spira. * (+18)
08:17:35 <AnovaCometFloppa> 1 esolang per hour is actually insane
08:19:25 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199449&oldid=195736 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+117) /* ConstantLanguage() */ Add [[odynophagia]]
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08:31:27 <esolangs> [[Talk: ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199450&oldid=199351 * PkmnQ * (+344)
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08:51:07 <esolangs> [[Talk: ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199451&oldid=199450 * PkmnQ * (+157)
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08:55:00 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199452&oldid=199449 * PkmnQ * (+140) Add note for [[6]] and year for XKCD Random Number (though isn't the latter more of a program form than an esolang?)
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09:04:30 <esolangs> [[Pi(e)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199453&oldid=191507 * PkmnQ * (+169) Mark as unimplemented
09:04:38 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199454&oldid=199452 * PkmnQ * (-43)
09:17:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pi(e)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199455&oldid=136505 * Blashyrkh * (+195) /* Make it a program form instead of a constant language */ new section
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09:30:46 <esolangs> [[User:Obuqwe]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199456&oldid=198378 * Obuqwe * (+118)
09:32:41 <esolangs> [[User:Obuqwe]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199457&oldid=199456 * Obuqwe * (+6)
09:36:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pi(e)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199458&oldid=199455 * PkmnQ * (+173) /* Make it a program form instead of a constant language */
09:43:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pi(e)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199459&oldid=199458 * Blashyrkh * (+245)
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10:48:25 <esolangs> [[Talk:Guesolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199460&oldid=198807 * Im bad at naming * (+119) /* Chatting Area */
10:57:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pi(e)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199461&oldid=199459 * None1 * (+428) /* Make it a program form instead of a constant language */
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11:06:00 <ais523> <zzo38> What is a good way to make a backup of a running GNU/Linux system if it sometimes restarts due to a problem with the computer so it is not guaranteed to remain running long enough to do it at once? ← normally I make uncompressed backups whose filesystem structure is the same as that on the original machine, which allows for incrementally updating a backup using rsync; that would probably work in your case too (although I'm not sure whether, if
11:06:02 <ais523> there is a power failure while rsync is writing a file, that rsync will notice that the file is wrong on the next sync)
11:07:49 <ais523> actually rsync doesn't seem to be very good in terms of atomicity, it has an "--fsync" option which would not be sufficient in this case and doesn't seem to offer anything stronger
11:08:58 <ais523> --delay-updates might work (it at least uses a rename-over approach to updating files) but seems questionable in other ways, maybe --delay-updates --fsync would be reliable enough
11:09:52 <ais523> (it also has the problem of temporarily using double the normal disk space, which can be a problem for backups as they often almost fill the resulting disk)
11:11:43 <ais523> <goldlang> as in, a check is inserted in the generated binary before the artheimtic operation, if it goes out of bounds of the integer type or whatever, the program is set to crash safely. ← Rust actually has an option to do this (although it isn't the default in release mode), but I'm not sure it really gives you that much safety unless you consider unexpected crashes to be safe
11:13:47 <esolangs> [[User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199462&oldid=199435 * Hotcrystal0 * (+351) /* P9+ */
11:15:14 <int-e> That holy^Wgoldlang thing doesn't have any rationale whatsoever (there's a list of buzzwords, but no explanation why those properties offer any advantage over Rust), nor any really meaningful examples. The syntax is awful. There's no need to invent new keywords for everything.
11:15:29 <int-e> (Though I guess that makes it an esolang, sort of.)
11:16:30 <ais523> oh, I don't really care about goldlang itself, but I am interested in thinking along the lines of "what would a safer Rust like" (actually I have spent years thinking about this)
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11:17:00 <int-e> Well I think that would require a rationale ;)
11:19:22 <int-e> https://github.com/GoldLanguage/GoldLang-Bootstrap/blob/main/src/ast/types.rs#L16-L37 -- no user-defined types, no references or pointers. Yeah, sure, that makes tracking ownership much easier since there is no such thing.
11:20:48 <int-e> Like the whole motivation of Rust is that you can write C/C++-like code that's memory safe without too much hassle.
11:20:59 <int-e> Which means having references.
11:21:19 <int-e> Anyway. Not impressed :P
11:22:53 <ais523> fwiw I view Rust as having too much influence from C and C++ and think it's really holding the language back
11:23:10 <ais523> (e.g. raw pointers in Rust don't have lifetimes, but logically should)
11:23:15 <int-e> I agree that alternative approaches (replacing, say, lifetimes by something else) could be interesting. Also daunting.
11:25:37 <int-e> hmm. well, they do slices instead which are kind of like references that support (limited) pointer arithmetic
11:55:47 <ais523> Rust lifetime generics (the situation in which you would write a lifetime explicitly) are interesting because they mostly don't give much power, other rules of the compiler ensure that anything a function can reference must be alive at the time
11:56:13 <ais523> they're basically only useful for allowing functions/methods to manipulate values that other parts of the code need to live a long time
11:56:55 <ais523> e.g. if a function returns a value that needs to outlive the function call
11:57:38 <ais523> I have been wondering whether it might be possible to replace most of this with a sort of continuation-passing style (in which functions return their values via callbacks), I think most common uses of lifetimes can be replaced like that but some of them can't be
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13:06:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:lang without Quine with Quine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199463 * None1 * (+348) Created page with "I doubt that the piece of text in this page is public domain. --~~~~"
13:12:53 <esolangs> [[Nope.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199464&oldid=193999 * None1 * (+0) /* Implementations */ Sort in alphabetical order
13:23:04 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199465&oldid=199218 * Blashyrkh * (+389) Add two program forms
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13:26:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:Processor/1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199466&oldid=15194 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+488) /* ordering */ new section
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13:33:36 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199467&oldid=199454 * None1 * (+501) /* ConstantLanguage() */ Add a few
13:50:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Hello,world!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199468 * None1 * (+348) Created page with "I doubt that the piece of text in this page is public domain. --~~~~"
13:51:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:Hello,world!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199469&oldid=199468 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+401)
14:00:58 <esolangs> [[Hello,world!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199470&oldid=193289 * Dragoneater67 * (-41388) /* Name */ remove potential copyright infringement
14:01:59 <AnovaCometFloppa> HOLY CRAP THATS A LOT
14:02:03 <esolangs> [[Hello,world!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199471&oldid=199470 * Hotcrystal0 * (+1892)
14:02:59 <esolangs> [[Hello,world!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199472&oldid=199471 * Hotcrystal0 * (-267)
14:04:50 <esolangs> [[Fizzbuzz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199473&oldid=178595 * Hotcrystal0 * (-1848) remove potentially copyright-violating material
14:05:00 <esolangs> [[Fizzbuzz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199474&oldid=199473 * Hotcrystal0 * (+0)
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14:32:21 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199475&oldid=199400 * A random guy * (+1447) Start of Vegetable Juice.
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14:36:32 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199476&oldid=199475 * A random guy * (+1)
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15:10:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * SB112butiforgotmypassword * New user account
15:10:50 <de67> 'nother n00b!
15:11:26 <AnovaCometFloppa> Rapid response time
15:11:38 <AnovaCometFloppa> (also their account name says "butiforgotmypassword" so they're probably not new)
15:11:51 <de67> hm
15:11:58 <de67> lemme look up SB112
15:12:54 <de67> hm
15:13:04 <de67> theres no user SB112 on esowiki
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15:17:01 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199477&oldid=199476 * A random guy * (+1088) Did a Hello World Program since this already has the capability to do so already.
15:19:00 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199478&oldid=195429 * A random guy * (+1003) Added Vegetable Juice to the list of Hello World Programs.
15:24:28 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Miui * uploaded "[[File:Gtleq.png]]"
15:24:43 <de67> oh miui is bacc
15:25:09 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199480&oldid=199477 * A random guy * (+562) Fixed a error.
15:26:14 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199481&oldid=199478 * A random guy * (+563) Fixed a errot
15:26:24 <de67> a errot
15:28:45 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Nomea]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199482&oldid=193814 * Miui * (+1641) add advanced draft
15:30:26 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Nomea]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199483&oldid=199482 * Miui * (+2) /* More developed draft */ include label of signum function in draft
15:32:53 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Nomea]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199484&oldid=199483 * Miui * (+0) /* More developed draft */ fix nomea square
15:34:07 <esolangs> [[File:Gtleq.png]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199485&oldid=199479 * PkmnQ * (+6)
15:43:28 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199486&oldid=199480 * A random guy * (+120) Added a way to get user input.
15:44:54 <esolangs> [[User:Enny/ENNCPU]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199487&oldid=188021 * Enny * (+479) /* Example code: Fibonacci generator */
15:45:07 <esolangs> [[User:Enny/ENNCPU]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199488&oldid=199487 * Enny * (+3) /* Design */
15:45:46 <esolangs> [[User:Enny/ENNCPU]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199489&oldid=199488 * Enny * (+159)
15:51:17 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Drafts/Nomea]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199490&oldid=199484 * Miui * (+302) /* instruction-set architecture */ include execution draft and computational class
15:55:46 <esolangs> [[User talk:SB112butiforgotmypassword]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199491 * Aadenboy * (+303) Created page with "you had an account on here? ~~~~"
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16:13:57 <esolangs> [[User talk:SB112butiforgotmypassword]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199493&oldid=199491 * SB112butiforgotmypassword * (+287)
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16:40:40 <esolangs> [[User talk:Rainwave/Drafts/Active Replay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199494&oldid=198750 * Rainwave * (+536) acknowledging similarity
16:46:04 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199495&oldid=199486 * A random guy * (+974) Added a One Time Cat.
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16:57:18 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199497&oldid=199481 * A random guy * (+121)
17:01:22 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Thlot * New user account
17:05:00 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199498&oldid=199492 * Thlot * (+275)
17:05:55 <esolangs> [[User:Thlot]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199499 * Thlot * (+101) Created page with "Working on two esolangs at the moment. Kind of new to this but also old to this? I came back recently"
17:07:30 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199500&oldid=199498 * Thlot * (-14)
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17:15:21 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199501&oldid=199495 * A random guy * (+829) Added a Cat Program.
17:17:13 <esolangs> [[Cat program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199502&oldid=198982 * A random guy * (+834) Added Vegetable Juice into the list of Cat Programs.
17:22:17 <esolangs> [[User:A random guy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199503&oldid=199404 * A random guy * (+110)
17:23:03 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199504&oldid=199501 * A random guy * (+34)
17:25:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:Rainwave/Drafts/Active Replay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199505&oldid=199494 * PkmnQ * (+1155) /* Decidability */
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17:27:46 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199506&oldid=199504 * A random guy * (-17)
17:28:28 <esolangs> [[PH]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199507 * Thlot * (+2018) Created page with "'''pH''' (also known as '''BYOS''') is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Thlot]] in 2026. Its code is made up of two parts: a function defining section and a numbered list of actual code to run. Notably, it was not created to be hard to use, and has many i
17:30:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199508&oldid=199415 * A random guy * (+253) /* Can someone do the categories for Vegetable Juice please. */ new section
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17:40:23 <esolangs> [[Indirect Regular Gobbledegook]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199509 * Maglang * (+108) Created page with "Indirect Regular Gobbledegook (commonly known as .irg) is a minimal programming language created by Maglang."
17:40:29 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199510&oldid=199506 * A random guy * (+0)
17:40:55 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199511&oldid=199497 * A random guy * (+0)
17:42:38 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199512&oldid=199389 * Maglang * (+36) /* I */
17:48:33 <esolangs> [[.irg]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199513 * Maglang * (+42) Created page with "#REDIRECT Indirect Regular Gobbledegook"
17:54:29 <esolangs> [[.irg]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199514&oldid=199513 * Ais523 * (+1) fix redirect syntax
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18:00:14 <esolangs> [[User talk:Rainwave/Drafts/Active Replay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199515&oldid=199505 * Rainwave * (+505) reply
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18:07:23 <esolangs> [[PH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199516&oldid=199507 * Thlot * (+1591)
18:08:06 <esolangs> [[PH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199517&oldid=199516 * Thlot * (+42)
18:11:09 <esolangs> [[PH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199518&oldid=199517 * Thlot * (+39)
18:11:18 <esolangs> [[PH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199519&oldid=199518 * Thlot * (-12)
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18:20:42 <esolangs> [[User:Thlot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199521&oldid=199499 * Thlot * (+8)
18:25:50 <esolangs> [[PH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199522&oldid=199520 * Thlot * (+24)
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18:29:18 <thlot> Hi
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18:36:36 <thlot> I did?
18:36:38 <thlot> Ok
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19:47:23 <zzo38> Does any file system have a separate monotonic inode number from the ordinary inode number?
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19:52:17 <ais523> I don't know the answer to your question regardless of this clarification, but out of interest, what subset of inode numbers are you expecting to be monotonic? all the inode numbers ever allocated on the filesystem?
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19:54:03 <zzo38> All of them ever allocated; I meant there may be a separate field for the monotonic inode number, which is not necessarily unique but will be increased from the previous number when creating new files if the ordinary inode number is ever reused for any file (not necessarily only that one).
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20:03:29 <ais523> I don't think it really makes sense to have two numbers there, you may as well just use one big number that never gets reused
20:03:36 <ais523> it comes to the same thing but is more useful
20:04:03 <ais523> oddly I have designed a system that works like this, but it was a database rather than a filesystem
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20:04:52 <zzo38> Yes, unless the structures and system functions do not support a big enough number, or if the number is used to find it in the disk in a way such that they cannot be too big
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20:09:27 <ais523> hmm, in POSIX the type of an inode is "ino_t" which seems inode-specific, so OSes could choose for it to be anything, 64 bits is likely enough
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20:12:16 <ais523> Linux appears to define it as uint64_t on 64-bit systems and unsigned long on 32-bit systems
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20:12:29 <ais523> (which is an interesting distinction, given that on 64-bit linux, unsigned long is 64 bits wide anyway)
20:13:01 <ais523> maybe this is futureproofing for systems where unsigned long is 128 bits wide
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20:14:56 <zzo38> Also, is there a way on Linux, when mounting a DOS file system, to disable long file names (and then any files written (or renamed) will be refused if the name is not valid)?
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20:21:01 <ais523> zzo38: apparently not, Linux's implementations of DOS filesystems doeunderstand the long name / short name mapping but they always prefers to work with long names
20:21:54 <ais523> there is an option to control under which circumstances the short name is the same as the long name, allowing you to create files with a specific short name, but it won't reject filenames that aren't valid short names (rather it will create an appropriate short name on its own)
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20:29:01 <MarkFan8901> thinking more about our idea of 'subsymbolic' learning arising from symbolic learning
20:29:10 <MarkFan8901> isnt that kind of what dna is?
20:29:37 <MarkFan8901> g, a, t, and c are all just symbols at the end of the day
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20:30:32 <MarkFan8901> but the weird part is that slight variations in a sequence of dna (typically) only vary the organism slightly too
20:30:51 <MarkFan8901> maybe its cuz most genetic code is bloat :P
20:32:00 <MarkFan8901> but it should be interesting to explore, since it does kind of imply that dna has a sense of 'semantic' coding
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20:32:23 <MarkFan8901> where slight changes represent slight changes in 'intent'
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20:39:35 * MarkFan8901 wonders if there's any languages which could compile to a neural network
20:40:48 <zzo38> My computer does not seem to be able to mount exFAT disks, but 7-Zip can read them. I had considered formatting a USB file system device as FAT32 to store backups, and then later copy them to DVD. (I don't need long file names, since the original file names are neither CP437 nor Unicode and will be stored inside of other files instead.)
20:41:44 <ais523> MarkFan8901: I think the interesting level of abstraction to look at is proteins, rather than individual codons
20:42:34 <ais523> slight changes to DNA still usually lead to a functioning organism because that just creates a slight change to the protein it codes for (and if a protein is really important it can be coded for multiple times to ensure it gets produced)
20:42:55 <ais523> the interesting part is how the proteins work together to make the cells work
20:43:24 <zzo38> I will want something that might work even if the power fails in the middle of the backup, to be resumed later, and that can store the appropriate metadata that can be restored later, as well as handling sparse files correctly. And, sometimes some files might be changed before continuing the backup. Specifying priority for files would also be helpful.
20:43:28 <zzo38> Is such a thing possible?
20:46:01 <b_jonas> ais523: could it be future-proofing to systems where uint64_t is unsigned int instead?
20:46:10 <MarkFan8901> ais523: true
20:46:25 <ais523> b_jonas: I think I suggested above that it could be future-proofing against 128-bit unsigned long
20:46:47 <ais523> (CHERI has 128-bit pointers and longs are normally pointer-sized on Linux, so it is not a totally implausible scenario)
20:47:30 <ais523> zzo38: it's clearly possible but might require writing new software, I don't think the standard tools take this scenario into account
20:47:47 <esolangs> [[Indirect Regular Gobbledegook]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199560&oldid=199557 * Maglang * (+0)
20:49:07 <MarkFan8901> oh hm something we just realized
20:49:15 <zzo38> (If the backup program includes its own source code which is copied to the backup disk, this is also helpful so that you can restore the backup.)
20:49:23 <MarkFan8901> another interesting thought we had earlier was coming from a language based around chemistry
20:49:42 <MarkFan8901> and it made us think about if a language could be made where the order of the commands don't matter, but rather just the quantity of them
20:49:55 <MarkFan8901> so HOH would be the same thing as H2O
20:50:24 <zzo38> Making the backup files to use DOS file names and not use the other features of the file system other than directory structure, also seem would be helpful, and also allowing it to be split into many files; this will also ensure it can work with many kind of target file systems, since the data for the origin file system can be stored within the files instead.
20:50:25 <MarkFan8901> we realize that protiens are probably this
20:52:01 <esolangs> [[Indirect Regular Gobbledegook]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199561&oldid=199560 * Maglang * (+1)
20:54:32 <b_jonas> zzo38: I can satisfy the dos filenames part by backing up files into a few hundred tarballs, though I don't do it for *DOS* filenames specifically, but because when I started this scheme I used to write those tarballs onto CDs with ISO-9660 file system which has similar limitations on file names. there are extensions to the file system, but it's easy enough to not depend on them.
20:56:45 <zzo38> I did say I wanted to record the backups on CDs or DVDs but to first record them on something else and then copy them to CD/DVD afterward. I know of the similar limit, which is one reason why DOS file names is helpful; if you could also mount FAT32 with only DOS file names then it avoids needing to store long file names which will never be used.
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20:57:27 <esolangs> [[File talk:Irglogo.png]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199563 * Aadenboy * (+319) Created page with "almost identical to [[:File:.irg logo.png]] ~~~~"
20:57:54 <b_jonas> but I don't satisfy your requirement that I can back up from a running machine. For the actual backup, I shut down the computer to single user mode where no significant modifications will be made to the file system other than writing the backups. (There will be some other modifications, but they can be ignored, it doesn't matter if they get into the backup or not.)
20:59:21 <b_jonas> this is only for the actual backup phase, I do some preparations with the system running as normal, and then copy from the internal hard disk to the external backup hard disk (formerly DVDs) with the system running normally.
20:59:53 <zzo38> I suppose other way is to run a different operating system and then mount the file system that needs to be backed up in read-only mode; however, I might not want to make the entire backup at once (for various reasons, including needing to use the computer when the backup is not completed yet).
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21:41:08 <b_jonas> zzo38: yes, I think I've done at least one backup from running another system. it doesn't make that much difference if I'm not running normal mode anyway.
21:41:54 <b_jonas> and yes, I understand why you want to be able to make backups from a live system, but that's complicated and I don't want to wrestle with it for my home desktop.
21:45:40 <esolangs> [[User talk:Truttle1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199569&oldid=184944 * Maglang * (+266) /* Suggestion */ new section
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23:06:55 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Church numerals]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199578 * Blashyrkh * (+15172) Various brute-forced Church numerals' expressions in KS and IKS bases
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00:14:34 <iamgroooooot> hi
00:15:36 <iamgroooooot> anybody wanna help me with smth
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00:34:16 <aadenboy> is "esoteric" heterological?
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00:45:12 <MarkFan8901> wym by 'heterological'
00:46:13 <aadenboy> not autological; doesn't describe itself
00:46:20 <aadenboy> I think that's the term
00:46:29 <aadenboy> yeah
00:48:51 <MarkFan8901> yea the word esoteric is not esoteric
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04:52:44 <aadenboy> `?
04:52:46 <HackEso> ​? Β―\(°​_o)/Β―
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05:05:13 <AnovaCometFloppa> fungot:
05:05:13 <fungot> AnovaCometFloppa: x86_64 is a bit annoying :) was just wondering
05:05:30 <AnovaCometFloppa> I kinda agree tbh, especially with Intel removing AVX-512 from Alder Lake
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05:33:36 <aadenboy> ^bf >>>>>>>>>+<<-]+>>[<<+>>>>>+<<<-]+>>[-<<<-]
05:33:36 <fungot> Mismatched [].
05:33:43 <aadenboy> ^bf >>>>>>>>>+<<-+>>[<<+>>>>>+<<<-]+>>[-<<<-]
05:33:53 <aadenboy> thanks markov chain There is no output
05:46:00 <aadenboy> goodnight
05:46:27 <AnovaCometFloppa> good night
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09:12:44 <esolangs> [[8]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199591 * ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries * (+676) Created page with ":''Not to be confused with [[SLet 8]]''. 8 is a program that transforms the string <code>2416735</code> to <code>412273</code> using the following operation: # Sort the string # Remove the last character # Push <code>4</code> to the front # Remove eve
09:13:19 <WinME_User> "you cant spell assembly without ass, therefore a cpu is a donkey" -me, 2026
09:13:34 <WinME_User> whoops wrong channel
09:14:19 <WinME_User> and in fact wrong server bc i meant to join rizon lol
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11:02:37 <ais523> fizzie: apparently there's a super-high-severity PHP vulnerability about to come off embargo and a number of PHP-based sites have temporarily disconnected their PHP programs from the Internet so that once the embargo ends, they can patch it before putting the site back up again
11:02:56 <ais523> I don't have enough information to know whether it's a real problem or whether it's overblown but I thought I'd make sure you were aware, just in case
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11:17:04 <esolangs> [[User talk:Rainwave/Drafts/Active Replay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199596&oldid=199515 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+189) /* Decidability */
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11:53:43 <esolangs> [[Flippocalypse]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199598&oldid=198753 * Blashyrkh * (+19) Sadly, it has no IO
11:56:25 <esolangs> [[Flippocalypse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199599&oldid=199598 * Blashyrkh * (-19) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/199598|199598]] by [[Special:Contributions/Blashyrkh|Blashyrkh]] ([[User talk:Blashyrkh|talk]]) Oops, I missed the sentence about optional . command
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12:19:01 <esolangs> [[Trinarylogic]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199600 * Jaxcoder * (+432) i created dis
12:22:25 <esolangs> [[Truelang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199601&oldid=199244 * Jaxcoder * (+18) Cat eg oriez
12:23:08 <esolangs> [[Prints the interpreter of this language]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199602 * None1 * (+318) Created page with "{{lang|a=User:None1|i=[[Prints the name of this language]]}} Any program in this language prints the interpreter that interpret it. ==Interpreters== Any [[quine]] is a valid interpreter of this language. [[Category:2026]] [[Category:Output o
12:23:35 <esolangs> [[Prints the interpreter of this language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199603&oldid=199602 * None1 * (+1)
12:25:13 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199604&oldid=199442 * None1 * (+87) /* General languages */
12:26:03 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199605&oldid=199206 * None1 * (+87) /* My Esolangs */
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12:34:11 <de67> ais523: its a real problem
12:34:29 <de67> and also the reason why i temporarily shut down esolanging wiki
12:34:40 <de67> and miraheze admins shut down miraheze
12:35:00 <ais523> I have taken a backup of the esolang wiki just in case it gets hacked before fizzie can patch and it has to be rebuilt from scratch, so that we don't lose much information
12:35:09 <VarianceAnalysis> 1 hour and 24 minutes until the patch or something
12:35:11 <de67> and some other wiki farm shut down their farms too
12:35:11 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199606&oldid=199467 * None1 * (+131) /* ConstantLanguage() */ Add [[FizzBuzz]]
12:35:21 <VarianceAnalysis> s/24/25
12:35:26 <de67> i will back it up too just for rednydancy
12:35:42 <esolangs> [[FizzBuzz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199607&oldid=197109 * None1 * (+36)
12:35:44 <ais523> (but I don't think the backup mechanism backs up passwords so it might be difficult to link people to accounts if it does need to be fully rebuilt)
12:37:05 <int-e> `? php
12:37:08 <HackEso> php is the PigeonHole Principle
12:38:17 <esolangs> [[Prints the interpreter of this language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199608&oldid=199603 * None1 * (+140)
12:38:53 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199609&oldid=199606 * None1 * (+61) /* ConstantLanguage() */
12:38:54 <int-e> (That PHP does have a bunch of holes in it as well.)
12:40:19 <de67> i just realize
12:40:24 <VarianceAnalysis> Revival season for constant languages huh (since we probably have less than 100 of them rn)
12:41:56 <esolangs> [[User:Win7HE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199610&oldid=186787 * Win7HE * (+44)
12:44:06 <ais523> int-e: isn't the point of the pigeonhole principle that there are not enough holes for all the pigeons?
12:45:38 <int-e> Sure.
12:46:30 <int-e> And yes, you can invoke it for the case where there's a single pigeon and no hole at all.
12:46:56 <ais523> hmm, that's a degenerate case, normally you are using the principle to prove that there are two (or more) pigeons in the same hole
12:47:05 <int-e> But I picture it closer to omega than that.
12:48:23 <de67> im starting to think that this is not about pigeons or holes
12:49:30 <ais523> it's an analogy
12:49:39 <de67> oh
12:49:43 <ais523> normally it isn't used for actual pigeons, but they're a good mental model to see why it's correct
12:50:01 <esolangs> [[BinaryDict]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199611 * Namotanu * (+6079) Created page with "'''BinaryDict''' is a minimalist, stack-based esoteric programming language designed by [[User:namotanu]] in 2026. All data, variable keys, and instructions are represented using binary strings (combinations of <code>0</code> and <code>1</code>). Despite its minim
12:50:14 <de67> i sure hope that this isnt slop!
12:50:18 <ais523> the basic idea is just that if you have to group X things into Y categories and Y is less than X, then there must be some category with at least two things in it
12:50:29 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199612&oldid=199465 * Blashyrkh * (+0) [[Looping counter]] @ [[BLC#BLC8 | BLC8]] result was in the wrong cell of the table
12:50:31 <de67> oh god i now have to pull out the very heavy chromium
12:50:37 <de67> itll eat my computer whole
12:50:41 <de67> s/computer/laptop/
12:51:28 <esolangs> [[BinaryDict]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199613&oldid=199611 * Namotanu * (+0)
12:51:28 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[User:NameGoesThere]]": deleting/anonymizing account
12:51:37 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[User talk:NameGoesThere]]": deleting/anonymizing account
12:51:52 <VarianceAnalysis> Oh wait I recognize that user (not the person being anonymizde)
12:52:04 <VarianceAnalysis> pascal's tringle
12:52:05 <VarianceAnalysis> triangle
12:52:32 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/renameuser]] renameuser * Ais523 * Ais523 renamed user [[User:NameGoesThere]] (45 edits) to [[User:Deleted-bbd22beb]]: deleting/anonymizing account
12:52:51 <esolangs> [[User:Namotanu]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199614&oldid=185373 * Namotanu * (+17)
12:53:38 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/block]] block * Ais523 * blocked [[User:Deleted-bbd22beb]] with an expiration time of indefinite (autoblock disabled): deleted/anonymized account
12:54:17 <de67> oh wow
12:54:22 <de67> BinaryDict is slop
12:54:32 <VarianceAnalysis> ai slop?
12:54:32 <de67> and it was tagged as such from start
12:55:07 <ais523> it's better-written than the typical AI-generated page (not that that's difficult)
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13:03:57 <esolangs> [[File talk:.irg logo.png]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199615&oldid=199562 * None1 * (+369) The other image isn't used in any pages, so I think it's safe to get it deleted.
13:04:26 <esolangs> [[File talk:.irg logo.png]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199616&oldid=199615 * None1 * (+7)
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13:13:14 <de67> ais523: btw what should be done regarding featured languages? since no one seems to really care
13:13:47 <ais523> I do like the "replace that area with the community portal" plan, but I'm not in a hurry to enact it
13:14:01 <ais523> err, a summary of the community links, not the entire portal
13:14:40 <de67> ok
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13:16:01 <esolangs> [[User talk:Rainwave/Drafts/Active Replay]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199617&oldid=199597 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+188)
13:16:21 <de67> im glad i pressed backspace instead of enter since i was about to send something stupid
13:17:53 <de67> i need to make my own irc client so that by default it pressing enter asks the use if they REALLY want to send the message
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13:18:22 <de67> s/use/user
13:18:29 <VarianceAnalyzer> de67: I would spam enter so you should make it spam-proof
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13:19:01 <ais523> I do sometimes accidentally press return instead of backspace because they are adjacent on a UK keyboard
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13:19:21 <de67> ais523: return??
13:19:47 <de67> also, enter and backspace are pretty close on a lot of keyboards
13:19:57 <ais523> I use the name return for the newline-like button on the main keyboard, and enter for the newline-like button on the numeric keypad
13:20:00 <de67> on my laptop, theyre one key away
13:20:04 <ais523> although apparently only OS X draws an extension
13:20:12 <ais523> * draws a distinction
13:20:15 <ais523> sorry, wrong word
13:20:25 <de67> what would drawing an extension even mean?
13:21:00 <de67> i guess im gonna email fizzie about the scary php vuln
13:21:07 <de67> tho it may not matter at all
13:21:13 <de67> so im hestitated
13:21:20 <de67> s/ed/ing/
13:21:26 <de67> sed??
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13:28:09 <de67> whar
13:28:18 <de67> sory wrong fhccganhnel
13:28:31 <de67> hwo the ffffffffffffyck did i typo that
13:28:42 <de67> in that way
13:28:53 <ais523> I know some people think "befunge" is unlikely to have been a real typo for "before", but given some of the typos I see…
13:29:10 <de67> cateogirws was a real typo btw
13:29:22 <de67> made by hotcrystal0 on an edit summary
13:29:42 <de67> ais523: befunge is a typo for fudge
13:29:44 <ais523> that one is more understandable, the right hand got ahead of the left hand
13:29:55 <ais523> and w is next to e
13:30:08 <ais523> normally it is possible to evaluate how likely a typo is by looking at where the keys acutally are
13:32:16 <de67> php security patch in 28 mins!!!
13:32:30 <de67> ok maybe i need to email fizzie
13:34:12 <ais523> probably best to, just in case
13:41:48 <de67> ive emailed fizzy
13:41:51 <de67> s/y/ie/
14:04:32 <esolangs> [[Pyline Classic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199618&oldid=187529 * MinekPo1 * (+258) Mention habnabit's 2015 chatserver.py, might be worth mentioning my rediscovery and naming of Pyline circa 2022?, I don't feel comfortable doing that due to COI
14:08:15 <de67> its 2pm
14:08:19 <de67> esolang wiki is fine
14:08:22 <de67> thats good
14:08:42 <de67> some how the apocalypse we were promised didnt arrive
14:12:32 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199619&oldid=199559 * Namotanu * (+17)
14:12:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pyline]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199620&oldid=154067 * MinekPo1 * (+563) /* exec? */ add my opinion
14:13:58 <de67> gonna check my email to see if fizzie replied
14:14:24 <ais523> well I doubt all online sites would be attacked immediately, attackers take some time to enumerate them
14:14:35 <ais523> apparently it is worse when using Apache mod_php than it is using other webservers
14:14:42 <de67> there are orgs that scan the entire ipv4 space
14:14:45 <de67> its all automatic
14:14:59 <ais523> esolangs.org claims to be on nginx, so that would mitigate it somewhat
14:15:01 <de67> ais523: elaborate?
14:15:22 <de67> also, this is now more worrying since esolanging wiki is using apache
14:15:29 <ais523> https://www.php.net/archive/2026.php#2026-10-21-5
14:15:40 <de67> and esolang forum uses apache too
14:15:41 <de67> yes
14:15:48 <de67> theres an esolang forum now :3
14:15:50 <ais523> if you update esolanging wiki before taking it back online, it will probably be OK
14:15:53 <esolangs> [[SaHuTOrEPoL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199621&oldid=180071 * MinekPo1 * (-63) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/180071|180071]] by [[Special:Contributions/MinekPo1|MinekPo1]] ([[User talk:MinekPo1|talk]]) (I did not have the energy)
14:16:09 <ais523> "Linux distributions and LTS vendors received the patches in advance, so check your vendor for updated packages."
14:16:27 <de67> oh
14:16:29 <de67> thats nice
14:16:43 <de67> i guess esolanging wiki is secure now
14:16:50 <ais523> did you apply the updates?
14:16:56 <de67> ye
14:17:05 <de67> i did apt update && apt upgrade
14:17:13 <ais523> the versions with the fixes are 8.5.12, 8.4.27, 8.3.36 and 8.2.35. so check the version number
14:17:43 <ais523> esolangs.org is on 8.4.23 atm so it's still vulnerable
14:17:54 <de67> fuck
14:19:17 <de67> php version of esolanging wiki is 8.4.27
14:19:31 <de67> so its probably safe to enable
14:20:18 <ais523> yes, should be OK to enable now
14:21:51 <de67> esolanging wiki should be up now then
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14:35:30 <de67> i managed to fix php extensions not loading
14:41:42 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199622&oldid=199589 * Dragoneater67 * (-98) /* lynx */ esolanging wiki and esolang forum are safe now!
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14:59:08 <de67> hi guys im bacl
14:59:10 <de67> back*
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15:09:07 <esolangs> [[PH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199623&oldid=199523 * Thlot * (+28)
15:09:57 <esolangs> [[PH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199624&oldid=199623 * Thlot * (+47)
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15:27:38 <de67> hi ais523
15:28:34 <ais523> hi
15:29:21 <de67> theres alrady a wikipedia article abotu php2shell
15:30:12 <esolangs> [[PH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199625&oldid=199624 * Hotcrystal0 * (-14) the
15:31:05 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Hotcrystal0 * moved [[Xdi8 aho fHL mA]] to [[Xdi8 aho f m]]: the title can be created
15:31:53 <esolangs> [[Xdi8 aho f m]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199628&oldid=199626 * Hotcrystal0 * (-29)
15:33:29 <esolangs> [[Xdi8 aho f m]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199629&oldid=199628 * Hotcrystal0 * (+77)
15:35:00 <de67> miraheze is still offline...
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15:38:21 <esolangs> [[Quantum Oragami]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199630&oldid=181587 * Miui * (+10) fix red link to page in userspace
15:42:21 <ais523> Wikipedia is partially offline, some pages work but others produce a 429 error
15:45:07 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf/Code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199631&oldid=198889 * Blashyrkh * (+168) Shorter [[Looping counter]] @ [[BLC#BLC8 | BLC8]] (24 > 17)
15:46:19 <de67> ais523: really?
15:46:29 <esolangs> [[User:Blashyrkh/Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199632&oldid=199612 * Blashyrkh * (-51) Shorter [[Looping counter]] @ [[BLC#BLC8 | BLC8]] (24 > 17, not beaten by PkmnQ anymore)
15:47:32 <ais523> my IP is shared by a lot of people and it's quite plausible that some of them are trying to scrape Wikipedia, so hitting a 429 isn't super-surprising
15:48:32 <de67> welp
15:48:35 <de67> i got blocked too
15:49:54 <JOrE20> Wikipedia loads well for me, what's your issue?
15:52:05 <de67> J0rE20: a critical vulnerability in php wreaking havoc?
15:57:50 <de67> alr
15:57:52 <de67> bye guys
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16:01:41 <fizzie> I turned off the `session.upload_progress.enabled` setting this morning (something that was rumoured to be at least a partial mitigation before the actual disclosure), then I've been out.
16:02:39 <ais523> fizzie: apparently it does help slightly but is still exploitable even with the mitigation
16:03:02 <ais523> the easiest fix is to update PHP from your distro's repos, all the major ones have the fix
16:03:26 <fizzie> Yeah, doing that now.
16:05:05 <fizzie> And done (as seen on Special:Version).
16:06:42 <ais523> hopefully that was fast enough, given the mitigation and the webserver (PHP under Apache is more exploitable than PHP under nginx, so that may have slowed some attackers down)
16:06:54 <ais523> I agree that it looks patched now
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16:26:06 <esolangs> [[User:Assembly/userpage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199633&oldid=199150 * Assembly * (+155) '''ALERT''': A vulnerability was discovered in PHP called PHP2Shell allows attackers to execute arbitrary code or read sensitive data. We must be careful. SPREAD THE MESSAGE!
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16:31:31 <esolangs> [[User:Assembly/userpage]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199634&oldid=199633 * Assembly * (+6) Spread the message. ALERT: A vulnerability was discovered in PHP called PHP2Shell which allows attackers to execute arbitrary code or read sensitive data. We must be careful.
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17:17:40 <zzo38> How to deal with a external USB flash drive formatted as FAT32 if the computer stops working in the middle of writing data to it, to recover next time without rewriting everything, and knowing what part is incomplete? (It does not have to be exact but should be close)
17:18:08 <esolangs> [[The Second Wallahi]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199636 * Assembly * (+163) Created page with "'''The Second Wallahi''' is Python, but it has a quine() command, which reports the source code. [[Category:Languages]][[Category:2026]][[Category:Joke languages]]"
17:21:30 <zzo38> Also, apparently some USB flash drives report an incorrect capacity. Can this be detected without being too slow? For example, does it work to write to an address before half way and a different value near the end and then to check if they are written correctly?
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17:22:32 <zzo38> (I don't know how it works, though)
17:22:50 <esolangs> [[User:Assembly/userpage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199638&oldid=199634 * Assembly * (+72)
17:24:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:Rainwave/Drafts/HashTag]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199639 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+217) Created page with "It seems like it can trivially implement any 2-Tag system by representing each symbol as two, second being # --~~~~"
17:29:50 <zzo38> And, how to determine whether or not my computer supports setting the Linux capability privileges for executable files (and to back up that data if it is supported)?
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17:54:54 <zzo38> Furthermore, can I ensure that physical writes to a external drive occur in the same order that the program calls the functions for writing to the files (including creating new files and changing the size of existing files)? I don't care about blocking until the write is completed, but I do want to ensure that the writes occur in the correct order.
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19:08:45 <esolangs> [[BF instruction minimalization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199641&oldid=182185 * Hammy * (+538) New attempt, again
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19:19:11 <int-e> I think the important thing for the PHP was that major users updated immediately which reduces the incentive to try to coerce a puzzle solving machine to develop an exploit. (The description didn't sound like exploiting this beyond a DoS was trivial from a traditional PoV.)
19:19:22 <int-e> for the PHP *thing*
19:20:34 <int-e> or issue
19:20:43 <int-e> fungot: language please
19:20:43 <fungot> int-e: i have this vague idea of what i'm doing
19:20:50 <int-e> fungot: well done
19:20:50 <fungot> int-e: the bit about the pre cl dialects... is elisp one of them all.
19:21:01 <int-e> two in a row!
19:21:57 <int-e> (but who knows, these tend to be literal quotes if I understand fizzie's past ramblings about this correctly)
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19:23:55 <fizzie> Sometimes it's a combination of two that happen to line up well.
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20:09:37 <esolangs> [[User:A random guy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199644&oldid=199526 * A random guy * (+56)
20:16:48 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199645 * A random guy * (+304) Start of the Doki! Esolang.
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21:17:39 <esolangs> [[Even if you fight, you can't win.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199652&oldid=190884 * Assembly * (+14) yeah
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22:12:25 <aadenboy> good afternoon
22:41:45 <esolangs> [[Combinatory logic/Analysis of combinators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199655&oldid=199087 * Bobby Jacobs * (-25) /* Y combinator */
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23:18:12 <Sgeo> zzo38, I'm assuming I can add quirks specific to one implementation of a language to your page about unusual features?
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23:31:08 <zzo38> Sgeo: I think so (if there is something notable).
23:35:19 <esolangs> [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199656&oldid=183007 * Sgeo * (+270) /* FORTRAN */ Bitwise operations
23:35:49 <Sgeo> It's certainly unusual. Although... the source I've been reading about FORTRAN history seems to disagree with the manual. I, uh, want to figure that out
23:36:33 <Sgeo> http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/fort02.htm says integer variables, https://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/7090/C28-6054-5_FORTRANII_Apr64.pdf says floating point
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23:54:50 <Sgeo> In the FORTRAN II for 7094 I have easy access to, floating point variables compile, integers don't
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00:07:38 <esolangs> [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199657&oldid=199656 * Sgeo * (+139) /* FORTRAN */ More fun with FORTRAN II booleans
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00:08:49 <esolangs> [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199658&oldid=199657 * Sgeo * (+22) /* FORTRAN */ Fix formatting. Whitespace significant
00:08:49 <fungot> VarianceAnalysis: ml does it better. if i rename the xs to ys in one sentence, the two module systems, that in particular for.)"
00:08:53 <VarianceAnalysis> perfect timing
00:09:39 <Sgeo> How do I preserve how many spaces in something? Fortran code is supposed to start in column 7, and I want to make it clear that the toggle for boolean expressions is column 1,
00:11:13 <VarianceAnalysis> probably using the nonbreaking space &nbsp;
00:13:54 <esolangs> [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199659&oldid=199658 * Sgeo * (+55) /* FORTRAN */ nbsp, thanks VarianceAnalysis
00:24:29 <b_jonas> Sgeo: preserve during what transformation?
00:24:37 <b_jonas> I don't understand the context
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00:25:28 <b_jonas> oh, do you mean on the wiki?
00:25:31 <Sgeo> Yeah
00:26:45 <b_jonas> if you put two spaces before a line in the wiki code then it's formatted as a pre-formatted code block, that's usually the best when you're quoting code like Fortran;
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00:27:57 <b_jonas> no wait, one space at the start of each line is enough on Mediawiki,
00:28:26 <b_jonas> or alternately one space followed by <nowiki> followed by the whole code without extra space at the start of the lines followed by </nowiki>
00:28:48 <b_jonas> the latter can be necessary if the code has things that would otherwise be interpreted as wiki markup even in a code block indented with a space
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00:29:23 <b_jonas> and that does sometimes come up in the esoteric sort of code that we sometimes handle here
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00:34:38 <b_jonas> outside of the wiki but in HTML, the underlying css rule is { white-space: pre-wrap; } or { white-space: pre; } to disable HTML's silly historical accident rules to ignore whitespace in the source code in a lot of places
00:37:09 <b_jonas> HTML has these stupid default rules that any space or tab or newline in the text counts as just a space in the dispalyed text, consecutive spaces are collapsed, and whitespace near a tag is often also removed (I don't know the exact rule). so to get rid of this, there's this css property { white-space: pre-wrap; } that disables most of that default behavior and let space and newline in the source code
00:37:15 <b_jonas> just represent space and line break in the displayed text.
00:38:02 <b_jonas> there's one remaining rule that CSS can't fix, which is that inside attribute values, you have to ampersand-escape newlines (that doesn't work in normal text by the way, only in attributes). this is hard-baked into XML so it's too late for CSS to try to fix it.
00:46:25 <Sgeo> That reminds me, my favorite tag is <xmp>, just because of how... un-XML it is
00:46:45 <Sgeo> <plaintext> is cool too
00:58:25 <esolangs> [[User talk:Rainwave/Drafts/HashTag]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199660&oldid=199640 * Rainwave * (+850) /* 2-Tag to #Tag Translation */ new section
01:01:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Rainwave/Drafts/HashTag]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199661&oldid=199660 * Rainwave * (+174) reply
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02:06:10 <aadenboy> for how much I've done here I actually know surprisingly little
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02:49:21 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199663&oldid=199646 * A random guy * (+8486) Added a TON of stuff to "Doki!", though it's incomplete for now. Due to me not doing Act 4 Natsuki and Yuri.
03:02:29 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199664&oldid=199588 * A random guy * (+346) /* Doki! is almost done! */ new section
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03:08:25 <esolangs> [[User:A random guy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199666&oldid=199665 * A random guy * (-14)
03:09:27 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199667&oldid=199587 * A random guy * (+31)
03:11:21 <de67> veegtable juice
03:13:02 <AnovaCometFloppa> table
03:19:15 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199668&oldid=199663 * A random guy * (-131) Got rid of remnants of my duplication.
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03:23:30 <aadenboy> AnovaCometFloppa: lua reference
03:24:22 <AnovaCometFloppa> cobol referenced too
03:24:30 <de67> aadenboy: wikitext reference
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03:24:57 <aadenboy> html reference then
03:25:07 <aadenboy> csv
03:25:44 <AnovaCometFloppa> tsv reference because \t is horizontal tabulation and kinda looks like a table
03:26:00 <AnovaCometFloppa> spreadsheet reference
03:26:08 <AnovaCometFloppa> statistical software reference
03:28:23 <Sgeo> Old FORTRAN feels like an esolang
03:28:39 <de67> Sgeo: what about FRACTRAN
03:28:40 <de67> oh wait
03:28:42 <de67> im dum
03:29:42 <Sgeo> FORTRAN II source exists on the web
03:29:55 <Sgeo> Well, at least, in a .tar.gz
03:30:58 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199669&oldid=199668 * A random guy * (+36) Fix Fibonacci Program.
03:31:14 <de67> Sgeo: a tarlball!
03:31:50 <Sgeo> https://www.cozx.com/dpitts/ibm7090.html in the IBSYS source, FORTRAN II is the FORTRAN directory. FORTRAN IV is IBFTC I believe. For 7090/7094, which at least with FORTRAN II has additional features like the weird boolean statements
03:42:45 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199670&oldid=199669 * A random guy * (+73) Fixed Fibonacci AGAIN.
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04:02:12 <esolangs> [[Vegetable Juice]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199672&oldid=199667 * A random guy * (+29)
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06:00:52 <aadenboy> goodnight
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06:19:23 <esolangs> [[Tapeworm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199674&oldid=199393 * Dragoneater67 * (+0) /* Computational class */ fix
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06:27:00 <de67> i ate a fish and got a skibidi tapeworm
06:30:27 <AnovaCometFloppa> don't eat fishes from john casterline lake then
06:31:04 <de67> yk what
06:31:07 <de67> good point
06:31:59 <AnovaCometFloppa> 33 < 34 < 40
06:32:31 <de67> AnovaCometFloppa: produce more slop
06:33:12 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199675&oldid=199622 * Dragoneater67 * (+0)
06:33:15 <AnovaCometFloppa> I'm concentrating all of the slop into Pinakanakakapagngitngitngitngitang-pakikipagsinungasinungalingan so the landscape will be clean of slop for kilometers in every direction except for one massive tower of pure slop
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06:33:36 <de67> AnovaCometFloppa: that sounds excessively dystopian
06:33:57 <AnovaCometFloppa> de67: You will only buy slop from MY slop tower and you WILL be happy.
06:34:36 <de67> AnovaCometFloppa: im imagining klauss schwab saying this
06:35:11 <de67> you vill only buy slop from MY slop tower und you VILL be happy!!!
06:35:46 <AnovaCometFloppa> Categorial is so fried
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06:47:24 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199677&oldid=199676 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+23) /* my languages */ 45 < 46
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07:06:32 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199680&oldid=199679 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+2) /* Oscillation Amplification */ wrong level
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07:28:31 <AnovaCometFloppa> there should be a language named i raged on c(++) so hard i broke my fucking pc
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08:13:13 <AnovaCometFloppa> I see "undefined behavior" being thrown around a lot in the context of C++ and it gave me a thought, what if the compiler/program did some incredibly strange things in undefined behavior cases? For example, C++11 apparently states that putting extra stuff in the std namespace is undefined behavior but doesn't do much harm in practice, but what if there was a compiler that destroys your entire system if you do that?
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08:27:32 <int-e> this has pretty much happened. C compilers treat signed overflows as a thing that can't happen (it's been a while but when it was new it broke various overflow checks in the Linux kernel that were based on the result after overflow being smaller than before). Relatedly, turning loops where counters were supposed to overflow into infinite ones. More recently, completely optimizing out functions...
08:27:38 <int-e> ...that produced undefined behavior so calls to that function would call another function instead, depending on what the linker chose to put there.
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09:13:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Spira. * uploaded "[[File:Spira22.jpg]]"
09:18:00 <esolangs> [[22]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199683 * Spira. * (+167) Created page with "{{Wrongtitle|title=[[File:spira22.jpg]]}} '''[[File:spira22.jpg]]''' is ConstantLanguage([[File:spira22.jpg]]) by [[User:spira]] ===[[Quine]]=== [[File:spira22.jpg]]"
09:18:35 <esolangs> [[22]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199684&oldid=199683 * Spira. * (+1)
09:18:49 <esolangs> [[User:Spira.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199685&oldid=199448 * Spira. * (+9)
09:24:08 <fizzie> There's a hypothetical machine, DeathStation 9000 (DS9K), often used in C discussions, which makes all possible instances of undefined behavior have maximally catastrophic results (as well as choosing the most bizarre, unexpected outcomes for all unspecified and implementation-defined aspects).
09:24:34 <fizzie> A number of people have floated the idea of writing a DS9K emulator/simulator of sorts, but I don't think any have really gotten off the ground.
09:27:13 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199686&oldid=199670 * A random guy * (+103) Gave Act 1:Monika[MessUpMangaCollection] an actual definition.
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09:29:43 <fizzie> Also, somebody wants to sell us a SEO package (price not quoted). Apparently our wiki has "a good design, and it looks great", but it's "not ranking on Google and other major search engines". They promise to put us on 1st page on "Google, Yahoo, Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, Integral, Pinterest etc.".
09:30:02 <fizzie> It's left unspecified whether that applies to related queries only, or just in general.
09:48:11 <b_jonas> "all possible instances of undefined behavior have maximally catastrophic results" => that's actually very hard because it would require precise detection of UB which in some cases is almost impossible to implement
09:50:07 <int-e> Hmm but if you're doing this to be evil, do you really care about false positives ;)
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10:01:50 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199688&oldid=199687 * RandomAnonyomous * (+31)
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10:10:30 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199690&oldid=199689 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+97)
10:12:56 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199691&oldid=199688 * RandomAnonyomous * (+24) Added type 93
10:15:39 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199692&oldid=199690 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+85)
10:18:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199693&oldid=156321 * RandomAnonyomous * (+318) someone make truth machines for types 98, 99, and 108
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10:22:08 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199694&oldid=199691 * RandomAnonyomous * (-39) /* Type 96 */
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10:23:32 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199695&oldid=199694 * RandomAnonyomous * (+10) /* Type 96 */
10:41:03 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Andorthehood * New user account
10:48:20 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199696&oldid=199500 * Andorthehood * (+237)
11:01:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199697&oldid=199693 * PkmnQ * (+502) /* About */ is one of the articles of all time
11:07:42 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199698&oldid=199635 * PkmnQ * (+44) Update some stuff that wasn't updated
11:08:05 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199699&oldid=199698 * PkmnQ * (+37)
11:08:47 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199700&oldid=199695 * RandomAnonyomous * (-4) /* Types 98, 99 and 108 */
11:20:27 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199701&oldid=199692 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+939) /* Oscillation Amplification */ Peak categoryslop
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11:36:58 <esolangs> [[Leafuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199702&oldid=194778 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+35) Added brainfuck minus - to see also
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11:49:42 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199703&oldid=199686 * Hotcrystal0 * (+91) Categories
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11:55:44 <esolangs> [[Rouedeux]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199708&oldid=198605 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+4) /* Computational class */
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12:00:11 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199709&oldid=199675 * Dragoneater67 * (+0) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SUCH A HORRIBLE TYPO!!!
12:02:46 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199710&oldid=198847 * Dragoneater67 * (+14)
12:08:59 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199711&oldid=199710 * Dragoneater67 * (+70)
12:09:15 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199712&oldid=199711 * Dragoneater67 * (-5)
12:10:47 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199713&oldid=199712 * Dragoneater67 * (+5)
12:13:38 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199714&oldid=199713 * Dragoneater67 * (-84)
12:27:59 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199715&oldid=199703 * A random guy * (+729) Made Monika be able to fiddle with Complex Numbers!
12:29:09 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199716&oldid=199715 * A random guy * (+3)
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12:42:46 <esolangs> [[User:Win7HE/johnvertisement]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199717 * Win7HE * (+305) Created page with "<div style="width:100%;margin:auto">{{User:Win7HE/w7hWidget|advertisement o' toole|%3Ccenter%3E%3Ciframe%20src{{=}}%22https://john.citrons.xyz/embed%22%20style{{=}}%22margin:auto;display:block;width:732px;height:94px;border:none;%22%20data-ruffle-polyf
12:42:58 <esolangs> [[User:Win7HE/johnvertisement]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199718&oldid=199717 * Win7HE * (-1)
12:45:51 <esolangs> [[BinaryDict]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199719&oldid=199613 * Namotanu * (+225)
12:56:07 <esolangs> [[User:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199720&oldid=199701 * Raiseafloppafan7741 * (+357) /* Oscillation Amplification */ add implosive STOP SAYING YOU LOST MY SESSION DAT
12:56:51 <esolangs> [[Pancake]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199721&oldid=185376 * Namotanu * (+192)
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13:04:53 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199722&oldid=199699 * None1 * (-1) /* Type 106 */
13:06:11 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199723&oldid=199722 * None1 * (+484) /* Type 109 */ Add 2 dialects
13:06:25 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199724&oldid=199723 * None1 * (+4) /* Turing-complete */
13:06:50 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199725&oldid=199724 * None1 * (+0)
13:06:57 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199726&oldid=199725 * PkmnQ * (-4)
13:07:21 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199727&oldid=199726 * PkmnQ * (+4) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/199726|199726]] by [[Special:Contributions/PkmnQ|PkmnQ]] ([[User talk:PkmnQ|talk]])
13:07:53 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199728&oldid=199727 * None1 * (+11) /* Type 111 */
13:12:42 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199729&oldid=199728 * None1 * (+210) /* Example Programs */
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13:15:05 <de67> hi amby
13:20:22 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Sparad * New user account
13:20:56 <de67> wow
13:24:21 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199730&oldid=199700 * None1 * (+5) /* */
13:26:22 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199731&oldid=199163 * None1 * (+137)
13:32:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199732&oldid=199582 * None1 * (+472) /* Duplicate image */ new section
13:34:05 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199733&oldid=199716 * A random guy * (+346) Did more stuff, still didnt do Act 4 commands for Natsuki and Yuri yet.
13:34:45 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199734&oldid=199733 * A random guy * (+0)
13:42:49 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199735&oldid=199696 * Sparad * (+116) /* Introductions */
13:51:19 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199736&oldid=199734 * A random guy * (+1030) Did Act 4 Natsuki. Still unsure about Act 4 Yuri.
13:52:38 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199737&oldid=199736 * A random guy * (-8)
13:55:11 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Sparad * uploaded "[[File:Zhang Lang.png]]": picture of Zhang Lang
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14:02:02 <esolangs> [[User:Assembly/userpage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199739&oldid=199651 * Assembly * (-57)
14:02:19 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199740&oldid=199737 * A random guy * (+223) More updates
14:04:48 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (D-G)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199741&oldid=190497 * A random guy * (+79) Added Doki! to the list.
14:05:42 <esolangs> [[User talk:Assembly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199742&oldid=194905 * Dragoneater67 * (+295) /* the </big> in your userpage is unmatched */ new section
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14:07:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:Assembly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199743&oldid=199742 * Assembly * (+288) /* the </big> in your userpage is unmatched */
14:14:17 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199744&oldid=199729 * Assembly * (+258) /* Type 112 */
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14:16:24 <esolangs> [[User:Assembly/userpage]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199745&oldid=199739 * Assembly * (+1) /* geological timestamps */
14:17:26 <esolangs> [[Cat program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199746&oldid=199586 * A random guy * (+101) Fixed things.
14:20:32 <esolangs> [[Cat program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199747&oldid=199746 * A random guy * (+4) Link
14:21:33 <esolangs> [[English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199748&oldid=198386 * Assembly * (+89) /* Quine */
14:22:30 <esolangs> [[English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199749&oldid=199748 * Assembly * (-29) /* Quine */
14:25:29 <esolangs> [[Zhang Lang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199750 * Sparad * (+1196) initial
14:28:46 <esolangs> [[Zhang Lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199751&oldid=199750 * Assembly * (+0) /* ZHANG LANG= */ fix zhnags
14:28:57 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199752&oldid=199619 * Sparad * (+17) /* Z */
14:31:29 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199753&oldid=199740 * A random guy * (+69)
14:33:05 <esolangs> [[^English/MORE PROGRAM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199754&oldid=188918 * Assembly * (+251) /* The Second Wallahi interpreter */
14:35:01 <esolangs> [[User:SB112butiforgotmypassword]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199755 * SB112butiforgotmypassword * (+24) Redirected page to [[User:SB112]]
14:35:52 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199756&oldid=199730 * Assembly * (+5) /* Types 1, 2, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13, 15 through 21, 23 through 47, 49 through 67, 71, 73 through 77, 79, 81, 82, 85, 86In types 86 and 88, is a numeric machine, 88, 90, 91, 92, 95, 100, 101, 102, 104, 106, 110 and 111 */
14:36:01 <esolangs> [[User:SB112]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199757 * SB112butiforgotmypassword * (+71) Created page with "Hello im SB112 (@antimony112) uhh [cellua.miraheze.org/wiki/User:SB112]"
14:38:32 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199758&oldid=199744 * Assembly * (+145)
14:38:56 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199759&oldid=199756 * Assembly * (+5) /* Types 3, 5, 8, 14, 72, 84, 87, and 113 */
14:40:22 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199760&oldid=199758 * Assembly * (-3) /* Type 113 */
14:40:30 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199761&oldid=199760 * Assembly * (+1) /* Type 113 */
14:41:36 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199762&oldid=187002 * A random guy * (+548) Added [[Doki!]] to the list.
14:43:37 <esolangs> [[Talk:Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199763&oldid=199697 * Blashyrkh * (+396) /* About */
14:47:57 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199764&oldid=199759 * Hotcrystal0 * (+5) /* Types 1, 2, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13, 15 through 21, 23 through 47, 49 through 67, 71, 73 through 77, 79, 81, 82, 85, 86In types 86 and 88, is a numeric machine, 88, 90, 91, 92, 95, 100, 101, 102, 104, 106, 110, 111 and 112 */
14:50:07 <esolangs> [[Doki!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199765&oldid=199753 * A random guy * (+89) Added a necessary operation.
14:51:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199766&oldid=199763 * Blashyrkh * (+167) /* About */
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