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04:10:06 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97583&oldid=97582 * PixelatedStarfish * (+28) /* Considerations */
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09:24:00 <esolangs> [[Quests]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97588&oldid=97576 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+42) Improved the formatting of the EBNF description and added the category tag No IO.
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09:32:21 <esolangs> [[Quests]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97590&oldid=97588 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+369) Added an example program using the goto facility.
09:39:18 <esolangs> [[Bundle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97591&oldid=97587 * Lanksy * (+493) Add better description
09:39:50 <esolangs> [[Bundle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97592&oldid=97591 * Lanksy * (+1)
09:42:25 <esolangs> [[Bundle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97593&oldid=97592 * Lanksy * (+1) Fix file extension
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10:08:38 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Kordalia * New user account
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10:14:04 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97596&oldid=97578 * Kordalia * (+160) /* Introductions */
10:15:02 <esolangs> [[Babalang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97597&oldid=77124 * Kordalia * (+0) /* YOU */ It's WORD not TEXT
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13:20:55 <esolangs> [[Babalang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97600&oldid=97597 * Kordalia * (+9) /* Conditionals */ WITHOUT works the other way (both the meaning of the word "without" and checked with the interpreter)
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13:52:39 <esolangs> [[User:Simple9371]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97601&oldid=97572 * Simple9371 * (+37) ...and assigning symbols...
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15:17:05 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97605&oldid=97604 * PixelatedStarfish * (+193) /* Arguments */
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15:19:12 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97607&oldid=97606 * PixelatedStarfish * (-90) /* Arguments */
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16:44:01 <esolangs> [[Pyline]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=97608 * MinekPo1 * (+1074) made the page lol
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17:12:42 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97609&oldid=97583 * PixelatedStarfish * (-426) /* Considerations */
17:13:30 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97610&oldid=97609 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) /* Considerations */
17:16:41 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97611&oldid=97610 * PixelatedStarfish * (-2) /* Considerations */
17:30:29 <b_jonas> in Engish, when you have a prefixed variant of an irregular verb, it takes the conjugation from the orignal. so because the past tense of "draw" is "drew", the past tense of "withdraw" is "withdrew", right? and the past tense of "eat" is "ate", so can I say "I set the microwave timer to too long and overhate the food"
17:31:49 <zzo38> As far as I know it is not
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17:52:48 <esolangs> [[Talk:BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97613&oldid=97559 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2235) /* Questions */
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17:54:46 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97614&oldid=97612 * PixelatedStarfish * (+74) /* Interpreter */
17:54:57 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97615&oldid=97614 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) /* Interpreter */
17:55:41 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97616&oldid=97615 * PixelatedStarfish * (+27)
17:55:53 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97617&oldid=97616 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) /* Changes From MacroBeep */
18:15:07 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97618&oldid=97607 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) /* Syntax */
18:25:27 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97619&oldid=97618 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) /* A Detailed Explanation of the Refer Operator (&) */
18:28:08 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97620&oldid=97619 * PixelatedStarfish * (+8) /* Grammar */
18:32:56 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97621&oldid=97620 * PixelatedStarfish * (+152) /* Functions and Calls */
18:33:08 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97622&oldid=97621 * PixelatedStarfish * (-937) /* Function Calls */
18:33:57 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97623&oldid=97622 * PixelatedStarfish * (+488) /* Closures */
18:34:47 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97624&oldid=97623 * PixelatedStarfish * (+17) /* Function Calls */
18:35:15 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97625&oldid=97624 * PixelatedStarfish * (+467) /* A Detailed Explanation of the Refer Operator (&) */
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18:40:16 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97626&oldid=97625 * PixelatedStarfish * (+57) /* Arguments */
18:41:45 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97627&oldid=97626 * PixelatedStarfish * (+38) /* The Basics: Functions and Calls */
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18:51:50 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97628&oldid=97627 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) /* Closures */
18:53:46 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97629&oldid=97628 * PixelatedStarfish * (+60) /* Arguments */
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19:02:29 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97631&oldid=97630 * PixelatedStarfish * (+52)
19:04:34 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97632&oldid=97631 * PixelatedStarfish * (+32) /* Commands */
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19:13:11 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97633&oldid=97632 * PixelatedStarfish * (+333) /* Notes */
19:13:25 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97634&oldid=97633 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) /* String Substitutions */
19:15:32 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97635&oldid=97634 * PixelatedStarfish * (+89) /* Multiple Address Output */
19:17:26 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97636&oldid=97635 * PixelatedStarfish * (-331) /* List */
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19:24:25 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97637&oldid=97636 * PixelatedStarfish * (+283) /* List */
19:29:57 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97638&oldid=97637 * PixelatedStarfish * (+120) /* Calls as Arguments */
19:32:06 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97639&oldid=97638 * PixelatedStarfish * (+170) /* Functions */
19:32:47 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97640&oldid=97639 * PixelatedStarfish * (+38) /* Calls as Arguments */
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19:51:24 <esolangs> [[Pig]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97641&oldid=94154 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+57) See also
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19:55:57 <esolangs> [[QuinePig]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97642&oldid=78404 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+463) Add interpreter, categorise
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20:00:35 <esolangs> [[DeadPig]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97644&oldid=78403 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+511) Add interpreter, categorise
20:12:29 <esolangs> [[XENBLN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97645&oldid=84613 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+5) /* Datatypes */ Fix pipe
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21:16:20 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97647&oldid=97646 * PixelatedStarfish * (+10) /* String Substitutions */
21:16:47 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97648&oldid=97647 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Interpreter Functions */
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21:20:11 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97649&oldid=97648 * PixelatedStarfish * (+4) /* Test Cases */
21:22:46 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97650&oldid=97649 * PixelatedStarfish * (-142) /* Updates */
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21:27:37 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97651&oldid=97650 * PixelatedStarfish * (+11) /* Commands */
21:30:22 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97652&oldid=97651 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) /* Proof by Translation to bf */
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22:20:22 <esolangs> [[SKOAL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=97654 * B jonas * (+2085) SKOAL is an esoteric printed circuit board used in production in the HP 9825T desktop calculator.
22:20:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:SKOAL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=97655 * B jonas * (+363) Created page with "[[Esolang:Categorization]] says [[:Category:Implementations]] for implementations of esoteric programming languages and esoteric implementations of regular languages. T..."
22:20:39 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97656&oldid=97653 * PixelatedStarfish * (+148) /* Linker Tests */
23:03:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:SKOAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97657&oldid=97655 * B jonas * (-26)
23:05:05 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97658&oldid=97656 * PixelatedStarfish * (+157) /* Linker Tests */
23:05:24 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97659&oldid=97658 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) /* Linker Tests */
23:18:46 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97660&oldid=97659 * PixelatedStarfish * (+12) /* List */
23:24:27 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97661&oldid=97660 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) /* Truth Machine */
23:27:46 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97662&oldid=97222 * PixelatedStarfish * (+141) /* Bueue */
23:28:11 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97663&oldid=97662 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) /* BunnyBell */
23:38:31 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97664&oldid=97663 * PixelatedStarfish * (+131) /* Beam */
23:48:19 <b_jonas> so is adding an article about esoteric hardware to the wiki an abuse of its rules?
23:55:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Minsky Swap]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97665&oldid=84034 * Salpynx * (+3864) TC proof + buggy existing interpreter
23:59:33 <shachaf> This is a lot of editing.
2022-06-02
00:00:06 <b_jonas> yeah
00:06:37 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97666&oldid=97661 * PixelatedStarfish * (+6) /* Interpreter Functions */
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00:11:53 <b_jonas> 88 on today's redactle. but I went for speed this time, spamming words.
00:23:10 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97668&oldid=97667 * PixelatedStarfish * (+55) /* Interpreter Functions */
00:25:03 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97669&oldid=97668 * PixelatedStarfish * (+54) /* Parser Tests */
00:26:45 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97670&oldid=97669 * PixelatedStarfish * (-13) /* Parser Tests */
00:33:35 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97671&oldid=97670 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2)
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19:10:21 <fizzie> Is there a conventional word for a graph that's somewhere between a DAG and a directed tree? A graph with the property that there's N roots (vertices with indegree 0), and for each root the induced subgraph of reachable vertices is a tree?
19:11:27 <fizzie> Oh, further searching with better keywords suggests it's perhaps called a multitree.
19:15:33 <zzo38> OK, good, now I (and anyone else on here) also know. I did not know, but now I know too.
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19:20:32 <river> ok
19:20:39 <river> I wanted to discuss godels theorem
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19:20:50 <river> http://www.ams.org/notices/201011/rtx101101454p.pdf
19:21:37 <river> let K(x) be the kolmogorov complexity of x. then there exists some L such that "K(x) > L" can neve be proven
19:22:55 <river> this means there is a fundamental complexity barrier for which nothing can be shown to be more complex than
19:24:15 <river> why is this true?
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19:29:45 <int-e> "The proof given by Chaitin is as follows. [...]"
19:30:55 <b_jonas> fizzie: I think that's a directed forest. I don't think I've heard "multitree", though I think there may have been some other fancy word.
19:31:10 <fizzie> No, a forest is a disjoint union of trees.
19:31:19 <b_jonas> oh
19:31:24 <b_jonas> so you want something different from that?
19:31:28 <int-e> this is a forest with sharing
19:31:33 <fizzie> Yeah, that.
19:31:43 <fizzie> Well, that's a very pragmatic way of putting it, I guess.
19:31:47 <b_jonas> hmm
19:31:56 <b_jonas> isn't that just any DAG?
19:32:05 <b_jonas> hmm no
19:32:06 <b_jonas> it's not
19:32:08 <fizzie> No, because a general DAG can have the diamond.
19:32:09 <b_jonas> I don't know then
19:32:11 <int-e> oh
19:32:22 <int-e> yeah "forest with sharing" goes too far... that's indeed a dag.
19:32:38 <int-e> (modulo, maybe, ordering the successors of a node)
19:33:00 <fizzie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitree is where I got the multitree from, and it sounds a bit subject-matter-specific.
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19:33:46 <fizzie> For context, the graph that prompted this was https://zem.fi/tmp/types.png -- a Graphviz rendering of the type relationships of C11 chapter 6.2.5.
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19:34:14 <river> it looks stratified
19:34:44 <river> maybe its a partial order?
19:35:00 <fizzie> The better description (maybe) is the first one on the Wikipedia page, a DAG where there's at most one directed path between any pair of vertices.
19:35:04 <int-e> fizzie: hmm, kind of surprising that that has no diamonds
19:35:27 <fizzie> It's just an artifact of which relationships they explicitly call out.
19:35:32 <fizzie> I think.
19:36:09 <int-e> why is there no arrow from integer types to extended integer types... I guess I don't know what the latter are
19:36:26 <fizzie> That's what I meant by "relationships they explicitly call out".
19:36:44 <fizzie> There would be an arrow if the arrow meant "is a subset of".
19:37:03 <fizzie> But the standard defines "integer types" as "char, signed integer types, and unsigned integer types".
19:37:15 <int-e> yeah, all I'm saying is that this seems to be an accident rather than by design
19:37:16 <fizzie> It could equally well have defined them as "char, standard integer types, and extended integer types".
19:38:55 <fizzie> Well, I think it could be by design. It's like, you start with one strict tree (integer types -> signed | unsigned integer types -> ...), and then you layer in some extra categories "in parallel" (like the standard vs. extended difference), I think a multitree (to call it that) is what you end up with.
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19:39:31 <fizzie> There's a lot more arrows you _could_ draw if you wanted to include all the correct relationships.
19:39:50 <fizzie> There's no path from "object types" to "basic types", for example, even though all basic types are definitely object types.
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21:41:41 <zzo38> I would want some comments about my VM3 specification (so far, it is the draft and some things may be changed; it is not implemented yet). Hopefully, see what other instructions needed added/changed, markup commands, extensions, etc. I like the bitwise operations of MMIX better than those of RISC-V, so I put the ones from MMIX instead (and a few others, including MORTON, SELECT, UNSELECT, SMUX, etc)
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23:31:50 <zzo38> Is C-INTERCAL capable of using the PEXT instruction of x86?
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00:19:43 <zzo38> Some instructions of RISC-V bit manipulation extension seems to be similar to MMIX but seems many don't, and RISC-V does not seems to have the MOR and MXOR instructions of MMIX, even though I think that it would be good. However, RISC-V is 32-bits and 64-bits, and MMIX is only 64-bits, so maybe that is why they did not put them in RISC-V?
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00:46:37 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Xarthan * New user account
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01:16:37 <esolangs> [[Brain Ah Fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97719&oldid=97718 * Xarthan * (+21) i need to go to bed
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03:14:59 <b_jonas> `? password
03:15:03 <HackEso> The password of the month is not a password, but a special phrase-guessing operation.
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03:24:50 <shachaf> `dowg password
03:24:53 <HackEso> 12452:2022-05-11 <Corbïn> learn The password of the month is not a password, but a special phrase-guessing operation. \ 12450:2022-03-01 <int-̈e> learn The password of the month is marching on. \ 12448:2022-02-02 <oerjän> learn The password of the month is decided with a non-terminating computation. \ 12445:2022-01-01 <int-̈e> learn The password of the month is Caught-22 \ 12444:2022-01-01 <int-̈e> learn The password of the month is Catch-22 \ 12432
03:25:12 <shachaf> There was no password of April?
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06:54:12 <river> lets talk about complexity
06:54:17 <river> exists L, K(x) > L
06:54:23 <river> no
06:54:32 <river> exists L, ~Prf[K(x) > L]
06:54:55 <river> exists L, forall x, ~Prf[K(,x) > L]
06:55:00 <river> I guess this is the correct statement
06:55:11 <river> we want to prove it by contradiction
06:55:25 <river> so assume that for all L, exists x, Prf[K(,x) > L]
06:56:54 <river> why is this contradictory?
06:58:01 <river> we have to make a computer program that loops through all proofs in size order
06:59:08 <river> so this program will get us an x and a proof of K(x) > L
06:59:44 <river> the size of this program is O(1) + log(L)
07:00:49 <river> therefor K(x) = O(1) + log(L) which will be < L at some point
07:00:52 <river> that is a contradiction
07:05:42 <river> this makes sense
07:07:43 <river> wait there is an error here?
07:07:55 <river> we fixed x and increased L
07:08:01 <river> but the order of quantifiers does not allow that?
07:12:13 <shachaf> I think you want L to be the size of your program.
07:14:12 <river> L is supposed to be a number
07:14:49 <shachaf> Yes. Make it be the size of the program (which also includes L, which takes log L bits).
07:15:06 <river> hmm
07:15:21 <river> the program isn't "closed", it takes an input x
07:15:37 <shachaf> I thought it searches for x.
07:15:41 <river> oh yes you're right
07:16:01 <river> it outputs a pair, (x : Nat, prf : Prf[K(,x) > L])
07:16:36 <river> so we can actually calculate such an L for real
07:16:50 <river> (smaller L may exist)
07:16:52 <river> the PDF suggested that L was completely unknown
07:17:11 <shachaf> No, you can upper-bound it with the size of such a program.
07:18:26 <shachaf> I should never say "upper-bound" or "lower-bound" when I can just say "bound" and people will assume I know which one I meant.
07:18:34 <shachaf> It's just a coin flip, especially past midnight.
07:18:42 <river> very good
07:18:55 <river> now there is an interesting point next
07:19:13 <river> we cannot prove any K(x) > L
07:19:27 <river> but there is a reasonable argument that K(x) > L is actually true for some x's
07:19:46 <shachaf> Of course, it's true for almost all xs.
07:20:04 <river> which is interesting, because i remember people making a big fuss about how the godel sentence was true - and i was always extremely suspicious of that
07:20:27 <river> it seemed a bit abstract, and the reasoning a bit vague
07:21:00 <shachaf> Hmm, how do you feel about the following: "river can't agree with this sentence"
07:22:54 <river> actually I don't understand why K(x) > L is true
07:23:05 <river> its something to do with 2^L
07:24:19 <shachaf> Right, it's the pigeonhole argument about compression.
07:24:52 <river> hmm
07:25:17 <river> K(x) can be read as 'the best we can compress x'
07:25:30 <river> oh okay
07:26:10 <shachaf> There are only about 2^L programs shorter than L. Each one of them emits one string if it halts. That's a finite set of strings.
07:26:27 <river> there's exponentially many strings, and compression can be arbitrarily good.. but the problem is there's only so many "short" strings for someone to be compressed into
07:26:31 <shachaf> So all the other strings out there require bigger programs (since certainly every string has a program that prints it).
07:26:41 <river> ahh nice explanation
07:27:11 <river> that shows us that for every L, there does exist an x such that K(x) > L
07:27:19 <river> but we proved that we cannot prove this for large enough L
07:27:26 <river> this seems like a contradiction?
07:27:36 <river> we proved that we can't prove something.. then we proved it
07:27:37 <shachaf> We can't prove it for any specific string.
07:27:50 <river> oh interesting
07:27:54 <river> I see!
07:28:03 <river> is that at all similar to omega consistency?
07:28:21 <shachaf> If you see a big random-looking string, bigger than L, you might say "you can't do much better than just print(s) to generate this string, it's basically incompressible".
07:28:29 <shachaf> But then maybe you can find out that it was actually generated by a small program.
07:28:30 <river> yeah
07:28:55 <river> if the string is really big it's literally *impossible* to prove that it was generate by a short program
07:29:03 <river> that's really surprising
07:29:22 <river> short program is wrong
07:29:33 <river> let's call a program with size > L , a big program
07:29:34 <shachaf> Impossible to prove that it wasn't.
07:29:48 <river> if the string is really big it's literally *impossible* to prove that it needs to be generated by a big program
07:29:59 <river> that's less shocking, but still surprising
07:30:20 <shachaf> If you have a small program that generates it, the proof is just "run this program for k steps".
07:30:32 <river> to prove that something needs to be generated by a big program, you need to show that it cannot be generated by all ~2^n smaller programs
07:30:40 <shachaf> Hmm, I don't think this is omega-consistency.
07:30:44 <river> and 2^n is basically infinity?
07:31:17 <shachaf> Well, the issue is the halting problem.
07:31:34 <shachaf> You can run all those programs, and some of them will halt quickly, and some will halt after a long time, and some will never halt.
07:31:43 <shachaf> And you can't tell the latter two apart.
07:32:16 <river> yeah
07:32:24 <river> so there's some scary programs in there
07:32:39 <river> ones that do not halt
07:32:43 <river> but cannot be proven to not halt
07:33:12 <shachaf> Hmm, the ones that don't halt may not be the ones to be scared of.
07:33:21 <river> oh!
07:33:26 <shachaf> How small do you think the smallest program that can trick you is?
07:33:39 <river> probably smaller than i'd expect
07:34:01 <shachaf> 3 bytes of x86-64 was enough for me.
07:34:06 <river> wow!
07:34:18 <river> what did it do?
07:34:33 <shachaf> Someone here asked about 3-byte sequences to set a register to -1.
07:34:48 <shachaf> So I did a brute-force search over all 256^3 sequences.
07:35:09 <shachaf> And there were a bunch of surprising things, like programs cheating in various ways.
07:35:27 <shachaf> (Managing to return success for the test even though they didn't actually set the register to -1.)
07:35:52 <shachaf> There were all sorts of weird crashes, the thing forking itself in ways I was trying to prevent and failed, all sorts of things.
07:36:48 <river> that's amazing
07:37:00 <river> I always wanted to run a survey for termination proofs for all short programs
07:37:05 <river> with the aim of finding hard ones to prove
07:37:14 <shachaf> I should write it up, it was pretty good.
07:37:22 <river> i would love to read about it!
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07:43:04 <shachaf> What's this PDF?
07:48:14 <river> http://www.ams.org/notices/201011/rtx101101454p.pdf
07:48:25 <river> so far we discussed the 1st incompleteness theorem
07:48:38 <river> the 2nd theorem comes from an adaptation of the surprise examination paradox
08:02:35 <river> hm
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16:00:48 <Sgeo> "Note that I said that an assembly programmer can generate better code than a compiler, not will generate better code. While it is true that good assembly code is better than good compiled code, it is also true that bad assembly code is often much worse than bad compiled code; since the assembly programmer has so much control over the program, he or she has virtually unlimited opportunities to waste cycles and bytes. The sword cuts both ways, and good assembly
16:00:48 <Sgeo> code requires more, not less, forethought and planning than good code written in a high-level language."
16:04:26 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97758&oldid=97755 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1269) /* Design Goals: Why Use BunnyBell? */
16:05:35 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97759&oldid=97758 * PixelatedStarfish * (-21) /* Design Goals: Why Use BunnyBell? */
16:06:00 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97760&oldid=97759 * PixelatedStarfish * (-11) /* Design Goals: Why Use BunnyBell? */
16:06:29 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97761&oldid=97760 * PixelatedStarfish * (+10) /* Design Goals: Why Use BunnyBell? */
16:08:39 <int-e> Sgeo: . o O ( And then the next CPU generation comes along and invalidates all the optimization choices you made. )
16:09:35 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97762&oldid=97761 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) /* Cat (Echo) */
16:10:00 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97763&oldid=97762 * PixelatedStarfish * (-259) /* Cat (Echo) */
16:10:41 <int-e> It's not that the claim is false; it's hard to justify the effort for the increasingly meager gains from diving into assembly, except when the compiler actually does something stupid. (register allocation is far from perfect; manual assembly code can sometimes avoid spills, and that can actually pay off. vectorization is also a weak spot but the first step in that case is to use intrinsics)
16:14:15 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97764&oldid=97763 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Error Codes */
16:23:07 <b_jonas> this, yes. it's worth to understand how the CPU works, especially the cache hierarchy, and all the basics before that, if you want to write good high-level code, but you very rarely have to write assembly code instead of telling the compiler the right hints.
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22:21:08 <ais523> <zzo38> Is C-INTERCAL capable of using the PEXT instruction of x86? ← yes, it is
22:22:04 <ais523> re: humans beating compilers, one big advantage for the humans is that they can change the meaning of the code when optimising, because they know it will be equivalent
22:23:24 <ais523> register spilling is such a weird topic on modern processors – they have easily enough registers but can run out of register *names*, so you spill the register just to have some way to refer to it
22:23:51 <esolangs> [[Zetta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97825&oldid=97824 * Masalt * (+156)
22:23:56 <ais523> it seems so wasteful – perhaps a subset of memory addresses should be reserved to refer to registers beyond the normal 16
22:24:23 <esolangs> [[Zetta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97826&oldid=97825 * Masalt * (+17)
22:24:33 <ais523> that could even be made forwards-compatible by mapping the addresses
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22:27:27 <esolangs> [[Self-interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97828&oldid=97770 * Ais523 * (+187) /* Folklore */ why a self-interpreter doesn't prove Turing-completeness
22:27:42 <esolangs> [[Category:Bad]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=97829 * Masalt * (+42) Created page with "The category of objectively bad languages."
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22:29:38 <ais523> Corbin: I'm not convinced that homoiconicity is required for an interpreter to be metacircular; for example, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Advance_The_Wheel! has a metacircular data pointer which is completely unrelated to the syntax
22:30:00 <ais523> (the exclamation mark is part of the link but some clients may treat it as separate, so the link may be broken)
22:30:22 <esolangs> [[Advance The Wheel]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=97830 * Ais523 * (+32) punct redir
22:30:27 <ais523> fixed the link :-)
22:32:02 <Corbin> ais523: I didn't mean to take a controversial stance. Feel free to change it.
22:32:23 <ais523> Corbin: I don't think it is necessarily controversial – this is a topic that I'm not sure I fully understand myself
22:33:11 <ais523> hmm, I guess the way I'm thinking about this is, in an interpreter, each element of the program being interpreted has to be represented as something in the interpreting program
22:33:47 <ais523> e.g. in the ATW! self-interpreter, the wheel position is represented as the instruction pointer, the instruction pointer and program are represented as queue 1, the data pointer is represented as the data pointer
22:33:58 <ais523> and the case of something being represented as itself is an interesting special case
22:34:34 <ais523> metacircularity is related to this special case, but I'm not sure that it's the same
22:36:20 <esolangs> [[Brain Ah Fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97831&oldid=97821 * Xarthan * (+550) Hello, world! and some instructions clarifications and punctuations
22:37:29 <esolangs> [[Brain Ah Fuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97832&oldid=97831 * Xarthan * (-8) oops
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22:41:06 <ais523> actually I'm not convinced that anyone knows what metacircularity actually is
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22:41:40 <ais523> there are some things which are clearly metacircular, but there's a lot of grey area too and it's unclear where the boundaries of the definition are
22:43:40 <ais523> hmm, maybe ATW! actually is homoiconic? in that the interpreter operates on source code directly, it doesn't parse it at all (because the source format is so simple that it doesn't need parsing)
22:46:40 <zzo38> I read that GCC has some built-in functions that use PEXT and other instructions if a flag is specified; how can you detect those flags by preprocessor?
22:47:42 <ais523> zzo38: Intel and AMD recommend looking for the flag in question at runtime, rather than compile time – there is a CPU instruction to return the flags
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22:48:59 <ais523> there don't seem to be any predefined #defines with GNU cpp that lists them
22:49:02 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97835&oldid=97834 * PixelatedStarfish * (+77) /* Turing Complete */
22:50:17 <ais523> there's an attribute to assume certain flags when compiling a function
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22:50:51 <ais523> but I guess the issue is that you're supposed to tell gcc whether it's allowed to use instructions like PEXT and PDEP, rather than it telling you, as it's you rather than it that knows which processors might run the resulting executable
22:54:46 <zzo38> Yes, although you might want to put in your own optimizations that use such instructions if they are enabled, especially if you want to make it compatible with older versions of the compiler, or other target computers which might not have such instructions, etc.
22:56:08 <ais523> Rust has a conditional compliation attribute (similar to a preprocessor directive) to compile something only if certain instructions are enabled – it would make sense for GNU C to have one too, but I haven't been able to find it
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22:57:10 <ais523> zzo38: aha, there's __builtin_cpu_supports
22:57:32 <ais523> so in this case, it'd be __builtin_cpu_supports("bmi2")
22:57:34 <b_jonas> "<ais523> perhaps a subset of memory addresses should be reserved to refer to registers beyond the normal 16" => how would that be different from the current situation where you use addresses relative to the stack pointer for extra temporary values, since accessing those has a compact encoding with a 1-byte offset, and better and better optimizations in the cpu for accessing them?
22:57:45 <ais523> but, that's a runtime detection, rather than compile-time, it returns the correct value for the actual processor
22:57:57 <ais523> so it needs to be used in an if statement rather than by the preprocessor
22:58:13 <ais523> b_jonas: it wouldn't actually youch memory
22:58:16 <ais523> * touch
22:58:31 <ais523> that means that you aren't tying up memory read/write ports
22:58:46 <zzo38> The other way, then, would be that you will have to add them by yourself (by using -D), but this isn't as good since it cannot be used e.g. if you specify to target the same computer that it is being compiled on automatically.
22:59:40 <ais523> yes
22:59:55 <ais523> there does seem to be a use case for this, but either gcc doesn't have a way to do it, or I can't find it
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23:02:50 <b_jonas> "<ais523> actually I'm not convinced that anyone knows what metacircularity actually is" => Douglas Hofstadter might know; Raymond Smullyan probably did know but he passed away in 2017
23:03:27 <b_jonas> or maybe they knew why you can't draw a boundary
23:04:15 <ais523> something I've been thinking about recently: suppose you have a self-interpreter with extensions, i.e. it interprets the language it's written in plus a few extra custom commands
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23:04:51 <ais523> if parts of the design are table-driven rather than hard-coded, you can add commands to change those tables
23:05:00 <ais523> and it's easy to add commands that change the program being interpreted
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23:05:39 <ais523> this gives you a slightly extended version of the language, and an intepreter for it
23:06:06 <ais523> now, suppose you're writing a self-interpreter (or extended-self-interpreter) in that slightly extended version of the language, i.e. we're now two levels of self-interpreters deep
23:06:34 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97838&oldid=97837 * PixelatedStarfish * (+41) /* Error */
23:06:43 <ais523> this can be easily and efficiently implemented simply by reprogramming the running interpreter to have new commands (if necessary) and to be running a new program, and you end up with a self-interpreter with eigenratio 1
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23:07:26 <ais523> I guess the obvious question in the context of this conversation (and what prompted me to think about this again) is "is this metacircularity?"
23:10:40 <esolangs> [[Self-interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97839&oldid=97828 * Ais523 * (+0) /* Folklore */ typo fix
23:10:49 <b_jonas> "<ais523> that means that you aren't tying up memory read/write ports" => I think very new CPUs can optimize it to not tie up memory read ports, if it notices while decoding that you're referencing the same offset and index register, without even knowing the address. it will tie up a memory write port, but generally only in the L1 cache because the top of the stack will be there, and that usually won't
23:10:55 <b_jonas> cause a delay unless you do a crazy amount of writes in a short time.
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23:12:16 <ais523> b_jonas: it's specifically AMD Zen 2 that could do that, and that's not the newest version
23:12:29 <ais523> the feature was removed for Zen 3, and IIRC Intel processors have never been able to do that
23:12:33 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97841&oldid=97840 * PixelatedStarfish * (+32) /* Function */
23:12:55 <ais523> also the L1 write limit is normally 1 write per cycle, which seems quite plausible to hit in some types of code
23:13:29 <ais523> (AMD Zen 3 can run 6 instructions per CPU cycle, and having more than ⅙ of the instructions do memory writes doesn't seem that unlikely)
23:13:35 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97842&oldid=97841 * PixelatedStarfish * (+48) /* Integer */
23:13:38 <b_jonas> however, if you are ok with using such a new cpu (and I presume you have to be if you're calling for a new feature) then you can also use 32 64-bit ZMM registers, though moving into them is of course much more expensive to encode than just a stack ref'ce
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23:14:28 <b_jonas> "(AMD Zen 3 can run 6 instructions per CPU cycle," => unlikely if those are referencing memory arguments
23:14:53 <ais523> b_jonas: indeed, there are other limits too
23:15:07 <b_jonas> though I guess that's exactly the problem that you're saying
23:15:08 <b_jonas> hmm
23:15:28 <b_jonas> well I don't know really
23:15:58 <ais523> in practice, 16 registers (well, 15 – you normally don't want to mess with %rsp) usually seem to be enough
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23:16:35 <ais523> the main exceptions are code with lots of nested function calls, but our existing ABIs force registers to be allocated inefficiently across functions anyway
23:17:04 <ais523> and of course, recursive code has no option but to spill registers
23:17:22 <ais523> (I realised a while ago that a function call is, in effect, just a spill of %rip)
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23:21:30 <b_jonas> ok, stupid question, if you're doing vector integer calls on AVX, and you're running low on the 16 XMM register, is there a way to temporarily store or retrieve two 16-bit XMM values in a YMM register, similarly to how you can use an XMM to temporarily store two 64-bit general register values in an XMM reg with PINSRQ/PEXTRQ, only this time your XMM and YMM regs overlap?
23:22:39 <ais523> I'm pretty sure there's an instruction to move an XMM to the top half of a YMM, but if your program is almost entirely AVX, you shouldn't use it
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23:23:13 <ais523> err, * almost entirely XMM
23:23:20 <b_jonas> ais523: it's entirely AVX because mixing SSE2 and AVX instructions in optimized code can be a bad idea due to the SSE2 instructions having to keep the top half of YMM regs
23:23:53 <ais523> using the YMM registers switches the processor over to an alternative mode where it runs YMM-sized instructions more quickly but all other instructions more slowly
23:24:01 <b_jonas> you just use the AVX equivalents of all the SSE2 instructions. all or almost all the instructions have an AVX encoding so this isn't a problem.
23:24:28 <ais523> this is independent of the alternative modes for the top half of YMM registers being dirty
23:24:43 <b_jonas> huh
23:24:57 <b_jonas> but then how are you supposed to use YMM at all on AVX cpus?
23:25:16 <ais523> AVX has YMM-sized instructions for a lot of the basic functionality
23:25:21 <ais523> (and AVX2 added a lot more)
23:25:29 <b_jonas> yes, AVX2 probably solves this
23:25:33 <ais523> the intention is to use them for, e.g., big loops that are just doing simple additions on arrays
23:25:53 <ais523> so the processor switches over to a mode where it can add more numbers at once, but at the cost of performance elsewhere in the processor
23:26:05 <b_jonas> so you can't easily mix 16-bit vectors and 32-bit vectors, even if you encode everything in AVX or AVX2? why?
23:26:06 <ais523> AVX-512 is even more extreme – the processor has to reduce its clock speed to avoid overheating
23:26:09 <b_jonas> this sounds odd
23:26:40 <ais523> it's basically to do with heat dissipation, the less of the vector unit you use, the faster you can run without heating issues
23:26:53 <b_jonas> hmm
23:27:05 <b_jonas> I guess it makes sense
23:27:20 <ais523> basically all the YMM instructions can be implemented by desugaring them into two XMM instructions (with hidden programmer-inaccessible annotations to use the top half of the XMM register)
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23:27:40 <ais523> that's what processors do if they can't use the full vector unit (either because they're too hot or because they don't have a YMM-wide vector unit)
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23:28:16 <ais523> but if the processor sees YMM instructions, it actively tries to cool itself down so that the whole unit is usable, that means it needs to focus more on efficiency rather than speed for the other instructions it uses
23:28:57 <b_jonas> I guess it makes sense that if you can use 32-byte vectors then you should use them
23:29:20 <b_jonas> on AVX2 cpus like this one in my new computer
23:29:24 <ais523> anyway, this is why it's usually a bad idea to mix vector sizes – the optimal processor configuration for different sizes is different
23:29:45 <b_jonas> makes sense,
23:30:28 <b_jonas> but do I understand correctly that if I am mixing the sizes, and I'm really only using 16 bytes of a 32-byte vector, then it's not worse too use a 16-byte but AVX-encoded instruction than to use a 32-byte instruction but then discard half of the result, right?
23:30:58 <b_jonas> it's just that everything will run in a slower 32-byte vector core
23:31:00 <ais523> right, XMM instructions will run just fine when mixed with YMM instructions
23:31:37 <ais523> they could be slower than XMM instructions that aren't mixed, but won't be slower than YMM instructions
23:31:51 <b_jonas> ok
23:32:18 <ais523> (this is assuming that you're using the zero-extending versions, to avoid false dependencies)
23:32:53 <b_jonas> yes, zero-extending from XMM to YMM is what the AVX encoding as opposed to SSE2 encoding means
23:32:59 <b_jonas> they have a fancier name...
23:33:20 <b_jonas> VEX for the AVX encoding I think
23:33:29 <ais523> yes
23:33:36 <ais523> VEX is the name of the prefix byte
23:34:00 <ais523> AVX-512 has its own new prefix byte, EVEX, and you can also EVEX-encode SSE and AVX instructions
23:34:32 <ais523> VEX encoding is at most one byte longer than SSE encoding – normally it's the same length or even shorter
23:34:37 <ais523> and EVEX is one byte longer than VEX
23:34:41 <ais523> or sometimes two
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23:37:23 <b_jonas> are you sure? I thought that the VEX encoding can be one byte shorter than the SSE2 encoding in some cases, where the SSE2 encoding needs three prefix bytes (F0, a rex prefix, and an OS/REPNE/REP prefix, I don't know the correct order) whereas the VEX can need just two bytes of prefix
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23:37:34 <b_jonas> oh right, that's what you said
23:37:42 <b_jonas> "normally it's the same length or even shorter"
23:37:46 <b_jonas> ok
23:39:25 <ais523> I've actually pondered the merits of a compiler that generates SIMD versions of functions, so that they can be used in vectorized loops without inlining
23:39:56 <ais523> probably the implementation strategy is to generate SIMD by default, and then if it turns out that only a single "thread" is needed, to deSIMDify it by replacing the vector instructions with scalar instructions
23:40:16 <ais523> this would require using scatter/gather instructions a *lot*, though, so it might only be efficient on Intel
23:47:00 <b_jonas> ok, now I'm looking at the intel manual and somewhat confused by all these instruction encodings. which I suppose is normal, they are confusing.
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00:02:20 <b_jonas> I guess this could be a supervillain origin story. Known only by his alias the Compiler, he can write optimized low-level code for x86, but that power made him insane and so he turned evil.
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03:34:38 <Xarthan> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brain_Ah_Fuck
03:34:55 <Xarthan> Working on this
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03:40:38 <Xarthan> 💀I just forgor
03:41:33 <Corbin> Cool. Just for fun?
03:42:27 <Xarthan> Yep
03:43:15 <Xarthan> 😶‍🌫️
03:45:57 <Xarthan> Knight to f3
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04:22:11 <b_jonas> ok I'm bad at searching webcomics again. which one is the xkcd or smbc strip where a parent crushed the teenager son's testicles with a Dungeons & Dragons sourcebook?
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06:36:01 <river> are you sure that's not oglaf?
06:36:04 <river> jk
06:48:05 <esolangs> [[Minsky Swap]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97869&oldid=84131 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+658) Turing completness Proof by Salpnyx
06:53:15 <b_jonas> river: almost sure. it's a bait-and-switch joke where the parents are stereotypically scared of what bad things will happen to the teenager once he's interested in women, so the strip first pretends that the D&D book would turn the teenager to a geek who never exits his basement, but the last panel shows the teenager as an adult and reveals the mutiliation
06:55:51 <b_jonas> ah, here it is: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2006-12-14
06:57:13 <b_jonas> apparently the advisor is a doctor who intended the first idea but the father misunderstood him
06:57:31 <b_jonas> either that, or the doctor is making a joke
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08:22:14 <Sgeo> "If true, unusual (uncommon) modes are added to the VESA modelist.
08:22:14 <Sgeo> The modes reflect uncommon resolutions added by external drivers (UNIVBE), some VESA BIOSes, some laptop and netbook displays, and some added by DOSBox-X for additional fun."
08:22:22 <Sgeo> additional fun?
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15:05:40 <esolangs> [[GPNS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97889&oldid=97888 * Hakerh400 * (+0)
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15:55:16 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97890&oldid=97867 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) /* Sources */
15:55:36 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97891&oldid=97890 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) /* EBNF */
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16:02:55 <int-e> `? password
16:02:58 <HackEso> The password of the month is not a password, but a special phrase-guessing operation.
16:05:25 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97892&oldid=97891 * PixelatedStarfish * (+91) /* Index */
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16:07:23 <int-e> `learn The password of the month is lawful neutral.
16:07:27 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is lawful neutral.
16:08:32 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97893&oldid=97892 * PixelatedStarfish * (+45) /* Updates */
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17:53:38 <int-e> fungot: entertain me, please
17:53:40 <fungot> int-e: be in no way to make up the gap between the most and to working in a fnord least affluent third of the population, the local transport authorities.,
17:54:36 <int-e> fungot: wouldn't that be solved by free public transport?
17:54:36 <fungot> int-e: on a more serious point, my hon. and learned friend the member for belfast north ( mr dodds),
17:54:48 <int-e> fungot: go on...
17:54:48 <fungot> int-e: that, of the fnord brigade, and the hon. and learned friend the minister for the way the hon. and learned friend the minister for the work he is doing to support the new clause,
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18:37:04 <esolangs> [[Brain Ah Fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97895&oldid=97894 * Xarthan * (+193) See also added (i will make the summaries longer when the page gets bigger *hopefully)
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20:03:34 <tromp> are you doing the June Ponder This, int-e?
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21:15:51 <int-e> tromp: I intend to, but have been distracted
21:16:04 <int-e> I don't even know what it is yet...
21:16:23 <int-e> Oh great, the links are fixed
21:18:30 <int-e> Checking... oh that could be fun.
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21:41:09 <tromp> yes, i'm going for the bonus. and then some
21:41:49 <tromp> not in Haskell, obviously:-)
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22:17:19 <int-e> Yeah, Haskell may not be the best choice except maybe for prototyping.
22:19:33 <int-e> (I routinely reach for C++ (mostly used as a C dialect) for this kind of stuff. Rust is probably fine but I'm not fluent in it.)
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22:26:54 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97898&oldid=97897 * PixelatedStarfish * (-3) /* Limitations */
22:28:15 <int-e> tromp: anyuway I suggest we don't discuss this for a while, maybe compare notes once we've submitted solutions
22:56:06 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97899&oldid=97898 * PixelatedStarfish * (+508) /* Limitations */
23:03:08 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97900&oldid=97899 * PixelatedStarfish * (-119) /* Long */
23:07:37 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97901&oldid=97900 * PixelatedStarfish * (+163) /* Error */
23:09:32 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97902&oldid=97901 * PixelatedStarfish * (+24) /* Cat (Echo) */
23:11:42 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97903&oldid=97902 * PixelatedStarfish * (+156) /* Truth Machine */
23:13:04 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97904&oldid=97903 * PixelatedStarfish * (+42) /* Hello World */
23:14:16 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97905&oldid=97904 * PixelatedStarfish * (-96) /* Data Type */
23:17:53 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97906&oldid=97905 * PixelatedStarfish * (+79) /* Comment */
23:18:25 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97907&oldid=97906 * PixelatedStarfish * (-11) /* Console */
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03:05:28 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97928&oldid=97927 * PixelatedStarfish * (+94) /* ASCII Table */
03:05:41 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97929&oldid=97928 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Assignment */
03:18:36 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97930&oldid=97929 * PixelatedStarfish * (+54) /* Turing Machine */
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04:12:30 <Pyautogui> Hullo! I am wondering: how big is the intersection between the codegolf and esolangs community? Are there any censuses that might give me an approximate idea?
04:12:33 <Pyautogui> Thanks in advance.
04:13:59 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97943&oldid=97939 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Error Codes */
04:14:19 <Corbin> It is non-empty, at least.
04:14:38 <Pyautogui> Got it.
04:14:43 <Pyautogui> Thanks for the answer!
04:14:51 <Corbin> Wait around and you'll get a better answer.
04:15:03 <Pyautogui> I shall.
04:17:10 <Pyautogui> ^help
04:17:11 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
04:17:44 <Pyautogui> ^bf +++ +++[-> ++++ ++++<]
04:17:50 <Pyautogui> ^bf +++ +++[-> ++++ ++++<].
04:18:02 <Pyautogui> ^bf +++ +++[-> ++++ ++++<]>.
04:18:02 <fungot> 0
04:18:45 <zzo38> Some esolangs are design to be use by code golf, and some might not originally be designed for such a purpose but are still used in code golf (since you can still try to shorten a code written in a programming language, whether it is designed to be short, or not).
04:20:10 <Pyautogui> Is Jelly an example of such an esolang?
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04:22:25 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Masalt * uploaded "[[File:BF Logo.png]]": Logo for BF
04:22:44 <Pyautogui> gtg. Thanks for the answers Corbin and zzo38
04:23:05 <esolangs> [[BF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97945&oldid=97942 * Masalt * (+56)
04:23:07 <Corbin> Peace.
04:23:34 <Corbin> Oh, also yes, Jelly was designed for golfing AIUI.
04:24:00 <zzo38> Yes, that is what the README.md file says
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15:41:52 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97980&oldid=97979 * PixelatedStarfish * (+23) /* Argument Tokens */
15:42:25 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97981&oldid=97980 * PixelatedStarfish * (+5) /* Token Precedence */
15:43:50 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97982&oldid=97981 * PixelatedStarfish * (+29) /* Example of Stack Trace */
15:44:23 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97983&oldid=97982 * PixelatedStarfish * (+114) /* Example of Doc String */
15:47:20 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97984&oldid=97983 * PixelatedStarfish * (+107) /* Error Codes */
15:48:11 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97985&oldid=97984 * PixelatedStarfish * (+76) /* Error Codes */
15:48:42 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97986&oldid=97985 * PixelatedStarfish * (+155) /* Example of Doc String */
15:49:38 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97987&oldid=97986 * PixelatedStarfish * (+137) /* Example of Function Print */
15:49:57 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97988&oldid=97987 * PixelatedStarfish * (-115) /* Example of Function Print */
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17:05:57 <int-e> hmm do jump predictors in CPUs use the stack pointer as a parameter?
17:06:22 <int-e> (probably not, but it)
17:07:01 <int-e> oops. probably not, but there are some cases in which that could help... I wonder what the real life trade-off would look like.
17:15:35 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97989&oldid=97988 * PixelatedStarfish * (+468) /* Limitations */
17:18:20 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97990&oldid=97989 * PixelatedStarfish * (-2) /* No Cell Can Store a Non-Integer Value */
17:19:10 <esolangs> [[Color Scheme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97991&oldid=97270 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+74) Add categories
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18:14:35 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97992&oldid=97990 * PixelatedStarfish * (+131) /* ASCII Table */
18:19:21 <esolangs> [[ASCII]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97993&oldid=79389 * PixelatedStarfish * (+133)
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18:41:35 <zzo38> How should making QINS and QDEL instructions (for double linked queues) in VM3? So far I had added some things including multiparts format, too. However, I might want to add the possibility to further split parts into pieces too, since for some uses a part may be too big to transfer all at once.
18:41:46 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97994&oldid=97992 * PixelatedStarfish * (+84) /* No Cell Can Store a Non-Integer Value */
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18:59:33 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97995&oldid=97994 * PixelatedStarfish * (-62) /* Limitations */
19:00:03 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97996&oldid=97995 * PixelatedStarfish * (-26) /* Limitations */
19:12:49 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97997&oldid=97996 * PixelatedStarfish * (+164) /* Limitations */
19:13:16 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97998&oldid=97997 * PixelatedStarfish * (+3) /* No Cell Can Store a Non-Integer Value */
19:13:40 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97999&oldid=97998 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) /* Limitations */
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21:32:40 <esolangs> [[User:Masalt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98000&oldid=97953 * Masalt * (+12) /* Languages */
21:32:52 <esolangs> [[User:Masalt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98001&oldid=98000 * Masalt * (+6) /* Coming Soon */
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00:58:42 <esolangs> [[Zetta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98004&oldid=97852 * Masalt * (-8) /* Hello World */
01:17:08 <esolangs> [[A Slow Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98005&oldid=86622 * Masalt * (+9)
01:23:06 <esolangs> [[Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98006&oldid=83536 * Masalt * (+24) /* Example programs */
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01:50:56 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98007&oldid=97999 * PixelatedStarfish * (+291) /* Output */
01:57:44 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98008&oldid=98007 * PixelatedStarfish * (+40) /* Function */
01:58:31 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98009&oldid=98008 * PixelatedStarfish * (+10) /* Error */
02:04:32 <esolangs> [[Bf2d]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98010 * Masalt * (+21) Redirected page to [[BF]]
03:20:23 <zzo38> Can Linux be made to never automatically handle USB devices (only adding them into /dev but never accepting input or sending output to them or mounting anything automatically)? Are other operating systems capable to do it?
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06:35:40 <river> I don't know how, but i imagine it can. possibly something to do with udev
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07:52:21 <esolangs> [[IDlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98011&oldid=97059 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+27)
07:53:29 <zzo38> Is it possible for it to distinguish the different USB ports in a computer, or does USB not do that? (I think there are many problem with USB)
08:01:30 <river> hmm i don't know
08:01:35 <river> I think so yes
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10:21:40 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98012&oldid=85292 * VilgotanL * (+60) fix
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16:21:26 <int-e> tromp: I've done "the obvious" thing for Ponder This (enough for a star), but I have some delicate ideas that need to prototyping to see whether they work... I don't think I want to discuss anything before next weekend.
16:22:45 <int-e> In any case, it's the most interesting one since Ponder This! is under new management.
16:36:06 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98015&oldid=98014 * PixelatedStarfish * (+21)
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18:05:13 <esolangs> [[User talk:Masalt]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98017 * Masalt * (+38) Created page with "what --~~~~"
18:09:01 <esolangs> [[User talk:Masalt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98018&oldid=98017 * Masalt * (+77)
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19:13:46 <esolangs> [[Path]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98019&oldid=97716 * Masalt * (-10) /* Instructions */
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19:30:09 <int-e> `? prefixes
19:30:13 <HackEso> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
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19:33:14 <zzo38> What should be call the card of "two target permanents copy each other and then exchange control of those permanents", and what mana cost?
19:33:40 <esolangs> [[L]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98020&oldid=73106 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+42) Add categories, unpipe user
19:40:04 <b_jonas> perlbot prefixes
19:40:04 <perlbot> b_jonas: Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.
19:40:07 <b_jonas> ^prefixes
19:40:08 <fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
19:40:56 <b_jonas> velik is probably safe to remove by the way
19:41:34 <b_jonas> perlbot #esolangs prefixes are fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =.
19:41:34 <fungot> b_jonas: it is a great pleasure, to a junior minister, responsible, transparent, and accountable; and
19:41:36 <perlbot> b_jonas: Stored prefixes are fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =.
19:41:41 <b_jonas> perlbot prefixes
19:41:41 <perlbot> b_jonas: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =.
19:41:56 <b_jonas> :t "yay for special cases"
19:41:57 <lambdabot> [Char]
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21:49:26 <b_jonas> 15 on yesterday's redactle, 27 on today's
21:57:29 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98022&oldid=98015 * PixelatedStarfish * (+5) /* Command Tests */
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22:16:21 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98023&oldid=98022 * PixelatedStarfish * (+19) /* Functions */
22:17:28 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98024&oldid=98023 * PixelatedStarfish * (-3) /* Addresses */
22:33:05 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98025&oldid=98024 * PixelatedStarfish * (-836) /* Syntax */
22:34:12 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98026&oldid=98025 * PixelatedStarfish * (+833) /* Addresses */
22:34:57 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98027&oldid=98026 * PixelatedStarfish * (-26) /* Addresses */
22:35:38 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98028&oldid=98027 * PixelatedStarfish * (-409) /* Multiple Address Output */
22:36:14 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98029&oldid=98028 * PixelatedStarfish * (+409) /* Addresses */
22:36:42 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98030&oldid=98029 * PixelatedStarfish * (-11) /* Multiple Address Output */
22:39:44 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98031&oldid=98030 * PixelatedStarfish * (+46) /* Calls as Arguments */
22:50:28 <esolangs> [[LispSpace]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98032 * KSP Atlas * (+1014) Created page with "'''LispSpace''' is a Lisp syntax that uses whitespace for brackets. This should work with any Lisp that doesn't explicitly need reader macros. The whitespace size is exactly 2..."
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23:25:09 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98033&oldid=98031 * PixelatedStarfish * (+737) /* Grammar in EBNF */
23:26:03 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98034&oldid=98033 * PixelatedStarfish * (+8) /* Useful Operators */
23:26:30 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98035&oldid=98034 * PixelatedStarfish * (+13) /* Useful Operators */
23:26:54 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98036&oldid=98035 * PixelatedStarfish * (+6) /* Useful Operators */
23:27:23 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98037&oldid=98036 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) /* Useful Operators */
23:27:53 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98038&oldid=98037 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) /* Useful Operators */
23:28:45 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98039&oldid=98038 * PixelatedStarfish * (-22) /* Useful Operators */
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23:29:34 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98040&oldid=98039 * PixelatedStarfish * (+22) /* Useful Operators */
23:30:30 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98041&oldid=98040 * PixelatedStarfish * (+11) /* Useful Operators */
23:31:01 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98042&oldid=98041 * PixelatedStarfish * (+11) /* Useful Operators */
23:31:55 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98043&oldid=98042 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) /* Useful Operators */
23:32:43 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98044&oldid=98043 * PixelatedStarfish * (-10) /* Useful Operators */
23:33:00 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98045&oldid=98044 * PixelatedStarfish * (+5) /* Useful Operators */
23:38:34 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98046&oldid=98045 * PixelatedStarfish * (+28) /* Useful Operators */
23:39:42 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98047&oldid=98046 * PixelatedStarfish * (+22) /* Useful Operators */
23:40:28 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98048&oldid=98047 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Useful Operators */
23:40:45 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98049&oldid=98048 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) /* Useful Operators */
23:42:41 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98050&oldid=98049 * PixelatedStarfish * (-9) /* Useful Operators */
23:49:53 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98051&oldid=98050 * PixelatedStarfish * (-63) /* List */
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17:13:34 <esolangs> [[Bbe doc downloadable]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98094 * PixelatedStarfish * (+35540) Created page with " ''Note that updates and revisions are in progress.'' BunnyBell (also spelled Bunnybell or Bunny Bell) is designed to be the "World's Most Practical Esolang". It was created..."
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17:58:14 <esolangs> [[\/]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98095&oldid=96026 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+40) Add category
18:07:12 <esolangs> [[Toki pi ilo nanpa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98096&oldid=98085 * Olus2000 * (+53) Added canonical implementation
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18:54:55 <olus2000> Could someone tell me what are the rules of creating categories on the wiki?
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19:07:00 <int-e> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Help#Categorization ...I guess there aren't any real guidelines. Personally I think categories should be serious, i.e., don't make joke categories or categories that only apply to a single wiki page (though we do have a few of those... some are recent and just haven't been deleted yet)...
19:07:13 <esolangs> [[BF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98104&oldid=98097 * Masalt * (+373)
19:07:44 <int-e> The existing categories on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Categorization are a sort of guideline, maybe.
19:08:15 <esolangs> [[User talk:PythonshellDebugwindow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98105&oldid=97971 * Olus2000 * (+498) /* On nonexistent categories */ new section
19:11:11 <olus2000> My problem is that there's no category for the concatenative paradigm. But seeing that it's not well known and my language would probably be the only one in it I probably shouldn't add it?
19:13:52 <esolangs> [[Ooh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98106&oldid=97077 * Int-e * (-19) remove non-category
19:15:06 <esolangs> [[Tautologylang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98107&oldid=95031 * Int-e * (-164) categories (+2022, -non-existing ones)
19:15:25 <olus2000> Ok, I see I triggered something :D
19:16:37 <int-e> yeah, I had a look at the category page looking for ones with only a single entry
19:17:02 <int-e> I'm staying away from "shameful" though... there's been edit warring over that one, including a wiki admin
19:17:39 <int-e> (I'm not a wiki admin) Anyway, concatenative... personally I think that's a valid one
19:17:56 <int-e> It has been suggested before and I don't really know why it didn't happen.
19:18:09 <int-e> (Here on the channel... not on the wiki, it seems)
19:18:53 <int-e> err, no, there is a bit of discussion under "abstract algebraic languages" on the talk page.
19:19:06 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck Assembly Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98108&oldid=83410 * Olus2000 * (+0) /* Ternary variation */
19:20:15 <int-e> Corbin: this (concatenative languages) is your area of interest, maybe you have something to add?
19:22:21 <esolangs> [[Zetta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98109&oldid=98004 * Int-e * (-17) remove non-category (maybe use Shameful instead?)
19:22:45 <olus2000> Maybe I'll just invent another concatenative language and there will be more than one candidate? xp
19:23:06 <esolangs> [[BF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98110&oldid=98104 * Masalt * (+130)
19:24:03 <int-e> Meh. "Parody"... https://esolangs.org/wiki/Entropy_complete
19:26:26 <esolangs> [[Entropy complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98111&oldid=92915 * Int-e * (-19) remove non-category (please discuss new categories on [[Esolang talk:Categorization]])
19:27:49 <olus2000> The talk under "abstract algebraic languages" only barely mentions concatenative languages as having some interesting properties that are the main topic there.
19:28:17 <int-e> Huh, why does special:categories still list ` even though it has no entires nor an associated page? (It was deleted... smells like a Wikimedia infelicity)
19:28:42 <olus2000> I'm surprised though there's no category for tacit programming. That's a way more known concept and I would guess people would make languages with taci programming as one of the main goals.
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19:29:10 <Corbin> olus2000: The main problem is that folks disagree on what counts as tacit.
19:30:16 <Corbin> I still think that it's worthwhile to say that "concatenative" means that there's a homomorphism from syntax to semantics (ala Joy) and that "tacit" is a more restrictive requirement.
19:31:48 <olus2000> Yes, "concatenative" definitely doesn't require the language to be tacit, it just comes naturally for most of them.
19:34:14 <olus2000> Although to say that "tacit" is more restrictive... There can definitely be non-concatenative tacit languages (vide APL), so I don't think it's so obvious.
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19:35:48 <olus2000> I guess it depends on whether by "tacit" you mean "allowing only for point free programming" or just "allowing for point free programming", because the latter can be achieved even in Python.
19:55:51 <Corbin> I'm thinking the former. Also, I think of APLs as concatenative; I think Jelly is concatenative, at least.
20:09:05 <esolangs> [[User:Masalt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98112&oldid=98001 * Masalt * (+12) /* Languages */
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20:11:14 <esolangs> [[BF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98116&oldid=98110 * Masalt * (-10)
20:11:26 <esolangs> [[BF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98117&oldid=98116 * Masalt * (+2)
20:14:45 <esolangs> [[Infinite Loop]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98118 * Masalt * (+27) redirect
20:14:59 <__monty__> Wouldn't that be the difference between a tacit program and a tacit programming language?
20:15:03 <esolangs> [[Infinite Loop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98119&oldid=98118 * Masalt * (+0) Changed redirect target from [[Infinite Loop]] to [[Infinite loop]]
20:20:40 <b_jonas> __monty__: well you can have languages like Unlambda or Underload or Amicus that only allow pointfree programming style, and mixed ones like haskell where you can write in either pointfree style or named local variables style
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20:21:35 <__monty__> Hence the difference between a program written in a tacit style and a programming language that only allows you to write tacit programs.
20:22:41 <b_jonas> I particularly like GML, which replicates the thing that pure lambda calculus does in a stack-based language: it allows named local variables, and encourages them because the standard library has no primitives at all that help pointfree programming, but of course in either of them you could write your own stack manipulation or higher-order combinator functions and write pointfree programs with variable
20:22:47 <b_jonas> names appearing only in those primitives that you write
20:24:22 <b_jonas> you could define S and K in lambda calculus, and then write a big lambda term that is only compositions of S and K (which are variables bound at the top of the term), and then you get a pointfree program. you could do the analogous thing in GML with, I dunno, Underload primitives or something like that.
20:31:25 <b_jonas> many high-level real world programming languages are like this too. in perl or python or scheme or standard ml, you might find a few helper functions in the standard library, but not nearly enough to start writing pointfree programs. however, they do have a full untyped lambda calculus in them, and if you do define your primitives, after that you can write pointfree programs using them.
20:34:22 <b_jonas> I don't really know what concatenative should cover. is brainfuck concatenative? underload?
20:34:45 <b_jonas> what are the limits?
20:36:23 <zzo38> I do not know how they should be classified, either.
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03:30:18 <b_jonas> honorable member fungot, in a judical system with case law, once a law was used at court enough times, can the parliament just repeal it and it will still keep working because there's enough cases applying the law that case law will preserve all its meaning?
03:30:19 <fungot> b_jonas: that a bill be brought in upon the foregoing resolutions relating to, for many workers, new technology, and the number of ministers,
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14:32:07 <HackEso> olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1259.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
14:32:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:CV(N)(C)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98153&oldid=98145 * Gapples2 * (+621) proof
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23:42:17 <Pyautogui> Has there been any recent progress on Picofuck languages?
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16:15:25 <b_jonas> kind of like (diff -F $'^\t\\?[^\t]' -u filename0 filename1) to show the most recent line that was indented by at most one tab in each diff chunk
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02:55:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:Bbe doc downloadable]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98177 * 23TuringMachine * (+206) Created page with "## Comefrom statement To be truly usable, a language needs a comefrom statement. A lot of developers work best with that sort of control flow. Is there any possibility of the..."
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03:46:51 <Sgeo> "We are screwing up in our design of internet protocols by violating the principle of layering. Specifically we are trying to use TCP to do two things: serve as a host level end to end protocol, and to serve as an internet packaging and routing protocol. These two things should be provided in a layered and modular way. I suggest that a new distinct internetwork protocol is needed, and that TCP be used strictly as a host level end to end protocol. I also believe
03:46:51 <Sgeo> that if TCP is used only in this cleaner way it can be simplified somewhat. A third item must be specified as well -- the interface between the internet host to host protocol and the internet hop by hop protocol."
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05:50:48 <myname> so... IP?
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06:33:48 <Sgeo> myname, yeah, was looking at Wikipedia's page on the history. There's a document describing the change from a combined protocol to separating IP out from TCP
06:34:04 <Sgeo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Protocol#Version_history IEN 2
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07:03:31 <Sgeo> I wonder if/when the majority of Internet traffic will stop being TCP/IP, and become UDP/IP instead. (i.e., how much is QUIC taking over)
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07:10:42 <myname> i assume it will take a very long time if ever
07:11:19 <Sgeo> How much traffic is web compared to non-web?
07:15:13 <myname> based on the fact that things tend to move into browsers, i would guess it's a lot
07:21:14 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98179&oldid=98172 * 0x107a * (+63) /* Introductions */
07:21:28 <esolangs> [[User:0x107a]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98180 * 0x107a * (+19) Created page with "catgirl connoisseur"
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09:37:45 <esolangs> [[BackStart]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98181 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+934) Created page with "'''BackStart''' is version of [[Minsky machine]] with 1 counter. ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" |- ! Command !! Operation |- | <code>i x</code> || Add x to counter |- | <co..."
09:40:52 <esolangs> [[UBLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98182&oldid=94447 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+63)
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11:13:50 <esolangs> [[Gino]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98184&oldid=97965 * Z Ling * (-49) /* */
11:23:14 <esolangs> [[Gino]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98185&oldid=98184 * Z Ling * (-19)
11:37:38 <esolangs> [[Gino]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98186&oldid=98185 * Z Ling * (+4) /* */
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13:49:00 <river> is butter a noun or verb?
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14:12:13 <myname> yes
14:12:36 <river> what about buttest?
14:28:47 <esolangs> [[LaserFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98188&oldid=98174 * Bangyen * (+163)
14:38:47 <esolangs> [[Repetition Legitimizes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98189&oldid=86620 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+198) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Repetition Legitimizes programming language on GitHub.
14:40:04 <esolangs> [[Schwa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98190&oldid=97529 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+104)
14:41:08 <esolangs> [[Voiced dental fricative]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98191&oldid=97473 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+43)
14:41:37 <esolangs> [[Repetition Legitimizes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98192&oldid=98189 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+9072) Added an exemplary Hello, World! program.
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15:03:54 <esolangs> [[Voiced dental fricative]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98194&oldid=98191 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+66)
15:04:54 <esolangs> [[Schwa]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98195&oldid=98190 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+61)
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15:43:36 <esolangs> [[Inputfish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98197 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+271) Created page with "'''Inputfish''' is an language by [[ChuckEsoteric08]] ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" |- | i || input |- | ox || output byte x ==Examples== ===Hello World=== oHoeololooowoo..."
15:43:53 <esolangs> [[Inputfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98198&oldid=98197 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+3)
15:44:04 <esolangs> [[Inputfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98199&oldid=98198 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+5)
16:05:12 <esolangs> [[Repetition Legitimizes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98200&oldid=98192 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+665) Added a loop counter example in order to demonstrate the iteration facility.
16:09:47 <esolangs> [[Minimal assembly language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98201&oldid=97275 * Peter * (-624) /* Example programs */
16:10:54 <esolangs> [[Minimal assembly language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98202&oldid=98201 * Peter * (-10) /* Instructions */
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18:48:30 * int-e grumbles
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18:50:15 <int-e> 1 hour to find a superfluous line in my apache2 configuration that caused it to staple the old (and long expired) X1 Let's Encrypt authority.
18:54:55 <int-e> (I hate computers)
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19:04:31 <definitelya> ^
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19:47:10 <esolangs> [[Alfie]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98204&oldid=54700 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+108) Add categories
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01:13:16 <esolangs> [[Repetition Legitimizes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98206&oldid=98200 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+43) Improved the formatting and orthography.
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06:37:07 <Sgeo> NOS2 terminology is an esolang
06:37:41 <Sgeo> "Since NOS terms a first level subdivision a file, a NOS file can contain more than one logical file; if it does, it is called a multifile file."
06:37:46 <Sgeo> https://cdc.sjzoppi.com/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=members:nos2:60459680-nos2_vol3_sys_cmds_revr_1997.pdf
06:38:17 <myname> well, have a look at ntfs streams
06:38:54 <myname> you can open explorer.exe:hello in an editor and write in it and ntfs would be perfectly fine
06:39:15 <Sgeo> That makes me think of Classic Mac OS forks
06:39:18 <int-e> `? ntfs
06:39:21 <HackEso> ntfs? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
06:39:22 <int-e> `? nfts
06:39:24 <HackEso> nfts? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
06:40:38 <myname> ah, TIL, those streams were used to mark downloaded files and display the warning message on first opening
06:41:26 <int-e> `learn NFTs are a scam originally created by Microsoft in order to fund Bill Gates' efforts to factor large primes.
06:41:29 <HackEso> Learned 'nft': NFTs are a scam originally created by Microsoft in order to fund Bill Gates' efforts to factor large primes.
06:42:28 <int-e> `learn NFTs (new funding technologies) are a scam originally created by Microsoft in order to fund Bill Gates' efforts to factor large primes.
06:42:32 <HackEso> Relearned 'nft': NFTs (new funding technologies) are a scam originally created by Microsoft in order to fund Bill Gates' efforts to factor large primes.
06:44:07 <int-e> . o O ( Hmm, they could also be non-finite tapes for Turing machines )
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07:47:12 <Sgeo> I don't understand Braindead. First, what's "jump to the command", exactly? And then what's the difference between how > and < are described and just using an accumulator? (That second question might be answered by the first)
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08:20:59 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98208 * Z Ling * (+29) Created page with " [[Category:Implementations]]"
08:33:07 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98209&oldid=98208 * Z Ling * (+304)
08:33:52 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98210&oldid=98209 * Z Ling * (+9)
08:34:40 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98211&oldid=93516 * Z Ling * (+40) /* Interpreters in plain C */
08:48:20 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++/SBFR]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98212 * Z Ling * (+22) Created page with "{{Back|Brainfucker++}}"
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09:09:37 <esolangs> [[SBFR]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98220 * Z Ling * (+41) Redirected page to [[Name of page to redirect to]]
09:10:02 <esolangs> [[SBFR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98221&oldid=98220 * Z Ling * (-11) Changed redirect target from [[Name of page to redirect to]] to [[Brainfuck++/SBFR]]
09:10:32 <esolangs> [[SBFR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98222&oldid=98221 * Z Ling * (+2) Changed redirect target from [[Brainfuck++/SBFR]] to [[Brainfucker++/SBFR]]
09:13:40 <esolangs> [[Category:Brainfuck derivatives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98223&oldid=33144 * Z Ling * (+39) /* See also */
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12:30:59 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98227&oldid=98226 * Z Ling * (-42)
12:32:14 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98228&oldid=98227 * Z Ling * (+82) /* */
12:34:19 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98229&oldid=98228 * Z Ling * (+7) /* */
12:34:33 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98230&oldid=98229 * Z Ling * (-7) /* */
12:35:00 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++/SBFR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98231&oldid=98219 * Z Ling * (+5) /* */
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15:01:20 <int-e> . o O ( Why does gcc complain about a << 2*3, but not about a >> 2 & 1? Seems arbitrary. )
15:01:38 <int-e> (complain = warn)
15:02:11 <esolangs> [[Fist]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98232&oldid=93296 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+74)
15:14:13 <esolangs> [[Inputfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98233&oldid=98199 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0)
15:32:52 <int-e> speaking of complaints... why does std::binary_search return a bool instead of some iterator
15:33:30 <int-e> oh I see
15:33:47 <int-e> because that's what std::lower_bound and std::upper_bound do.
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16:50:25 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98234&oldid=98225 * PixelatedStarfish * (+73)
16:56:01 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck 2D]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98235 * VilgotanL * (+583) Created page with "{{stub}} {{lowercase}} Brainfuck 2D or 2D brainfuck is a common extension to [[brainfuck]] with two added instructions for moving up and down. == New Instructions == {| class..."
16:58:37 <esolangs> [[2D Brainfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98236 * VilgotanL * (+26) Redirected page to [[Brainfuck 2D]]
17:05:05 <esolangs> [[Braindead]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98237&oldid=98207 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0)
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17:15:42 <int-e> https://rosettacode.org/wiki/LU_decomposition#PARI.2FGP ...cute puzzle: find all the bugs (I have not yet found them all)
17:31:03 <int-e> Ah. Got it.
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17:41:36 <int-e> OMG. I think the whole page is the same broken code in various languages,
17:42:25 <int-e> The trouble is, they try to do pivoting up front... but then Gaussian elimination (underlying LU decomposition) may run into a division by zero... HOW THE FUCK DID THAT HAPPEN
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18:10:32 <esolangs> [[2Deadfish/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98238&oldid=94061 * Squidmanescape * (+85) I wrote something else.
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18:47:07 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98239&oldid=98234 * PixelatedStarfish * (+21) /* Useful Operators */
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19:00:54 <myname> wtf. i thought about switching to google podcasts, but apparently you cannot prevent it from deleting episodes, even ones i didn't listen to
19:01:27 <FreeFull> I've been using AntennaPod
19:03:41 <myname> i used to use antennapod, but unfortunately, i was one of the few people where it would randomly delete all data
19:03:57 <myname> it happened to me twice, so i decided to migrate away from it
19:04:55 <FreeFull> oof
19:05:39 <myname> they kinda fixed it from what i heard, but i am not particularly keen on switching back
19:08:59 <myname> by "kinda fixed" i mean they never found the real reason and added a safety net
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20:07:47 <b_jonas> hmm, today's Redactle seems quite hard. none of my common guesses find useful stuff.
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20:39:57 <int-e> let's cheat, shall we... yeah, I think that was a topic in school briefly and never again afterwards.
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21:31:39 <b_jonas> ok, this one was terrible
21:31:52 <b_jonas> 195 and serious cheating
21:32:59 <b_jonas> I managed to uncover the fragment "Wnzrf Uhggba, jub vf bsgra _________ nf gur sngure bs zbqrea trbybtl" and went to en.wikipedia to do a what-links-here query from the name mentioned in that
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21:33:21 <b_jonas> the article is on the second page of the list of back links
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22:26:14 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98240&oldid=98230 * Z Ling * (-1)
22:26:38 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98241&oldid=98240 * Z Ling * (+1) /* Whre is it? */
22:29:42 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98242&oldid=98241 * Z Ling * (+13)
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22:39:24 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++/SBFR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98244&oldid=98243 * Z Ling * (+21) /* */
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23:42:59 <esolangs> [[User:TheEyeOfAr3s]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98245 * TheEyeOfAr3s * (+727) Initial Creation
23:43:59 <esolangs> [[User:TheEyeOfAr3s]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98246&oldid=98245 * TheEyeOfAr3s * (-31) Updated Heading size
23:44:19 <esolangs> [[User:TheEyeOfAr3s]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98247&oldid=98246 * TheEyeOfAr3s * (-2) Removed misplaced character
23:44:48 <esolangs> [[User:TheEyeOfAr3s]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98248&oldid=98247 * TheEyeOfAr3s * (+1) /* Langs */ Extra space between Langs for formatting reasons
23:46:33 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++/SBFR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98249&oldid=98244 * Z Ling * (+113) /* */
23:51:06 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++/SBFR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98250&oldid=98249 * Z Ling * (-13)
23:51:28 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++/SBFR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98251&oldid=98250 * Z Ling * (+1) /* */
23:52:33 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98252&oldid=97836 * Z Ling * (+11) /* S */
23:57:36 <esolangs> [[Dismantle brainfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98253 * Z Ling * (+0) Created blank page
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00:00:51 <esolangs> [[Dismantle brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98254&oldid=98253 * Z Ling * (+22)
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01:17:34 <esolangs> [[Dismantle brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98256&oldid=98255 * Z Ling * (+18) /* */
01:17:50 <esolangs> [[Dismantle brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98257&oldid=98256 * Z Ling * (+7)
01:18:00 <esolangs> [[Brainfucker++/SBFR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98258&oldid=98251 * Z Ling * (+44)
01:21:55 <esolangs> [[Gino]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98259&oldid=98186 * Z Ling * (+9) /* */
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01:31:06 <Z_Ling46> hi
01:31:40 <Z_Ling46> where is people?
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01:37:06 <esolangs> [[Gino]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98260&oldid=98259 * Z Ling * (-13) /* */
01:38:23 <Z_Ling46> e
01:38:33 <Z_Ling46> yes, it's mine
01:41:36 <Z_Ling46> I think esolang should have a classification, which indicates the interface to be translated, such as [[need translated]]
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01:43:50 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98261&oldid=97883 * Z Ling * (+135) /* (idea)Introducing SyntaxHighlight? */
01:46:07 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98262&oldid=98261 * Z Ling * (+68) /* Template usages */
01:48:32 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98263&oldid=98262 * Z Ling * (+132) /* Shall we clarify how often we archive this talk page? */
01:51:38 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98264&oldid=98263 * Z Ling * (+107) /* Translate to other languages */
01:56:05 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98265&oldid=98264 * Z Ling * (+382) /* Translate to other languages */
01:57:17 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98266&oldid=98265 * Z Ling * (+618)
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02:04:37 <esolangs> [[Gino]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98267&oldid=98260 * Z Ling * (+78) /* */
02:11:14 <esolangs> [[Branch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98268&oldid=82289 * Squidmanescape * (+67)
02:11:53 <esolangs> [[Branch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98269&oldid=98268 * Squidmanescape * (+28)
02:17:23 <esolangs> [[Esimpl]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98270 * Ais523 * (+18219) new language
02:17:49 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98271&oldid=98252 * Ais523 * (+13) /* E */ +[[Esimpl]]
02:18:18 <esolangs> [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98272&oldid=92618 * Ais523 * (+12) +[[Esimpl]]
02:20:24 <esolangs> [[Gino]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98273&oldid=98267 * Z Ling * (+392) /* */
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02:22:15 <esolangs> [[Gino]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98274&oldid=98273 * Z Ling * (+207) /* */
02:26:36 <esolangs> [[BIX Queue Subset]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98275&oldid=67778 * Ais523 * (+0) /* a t fd */ typo fix
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03:04:22 <esolangs> [[Lye]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98276&oldid=90955 * Squidmanescape * (-52) It appears to be implemented.
03:10:04 <esolangs> [[Gino]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98277&oldid=98274 * Z Ling * (-71) /* */
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04:23:20 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape/Unimplemented By Date]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98278&oldid=94110 * Squidmanescape * (+516) /* 2011 */
04:25:36 <esolangs> [[OISC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98279&oldid=97170 * Tomhe * (+169) Simplify subleq, flipjump, add a general focus abstract
04:29:23 <esolangs> [[OISC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98280&oldid=98279 * Tomhe * (+30) Highlight main languages
05:07:16 <Sgeo> From some NOS kermit source code:
05:07:17 <Sgeo> * NEVERTHELESS, I HOPE SOME OTHER SITES MAY FIND THIS VERSION USEFUL,
05:07:17 <Sgeo> * OR AT LEAST MORE USEFUL THAN THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS'S KERMIT 170,
05:07:17 <Sgeo> * WHICH WE WERE UTTERLY UNABLE TO RUN -- OR EVEN INTERPRET, SINCE THE
05:07:17 <Sgeo> * COPY WE RECEIVED IS IN A CHARACTER SET UNKNOWN TO US.
05:08:13 <esolangs> [[Cratefuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98281&oldid=94741 * TheEyeOfAr3s * (+32) Added Category:Brainfuck derivatives
05:08:38 <esolangs> [[Cratefuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98282&oldid=98281 * TheEyeOfAr3s * (-32)
05:09:26 <esolangs> [[Cratefuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98283&oldid=98282 * TheEyeOfAr3s * (+34)
05:48:50 <b_jonas> hmm. so we still never created the wiki page for Ursala
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06:48:12 <b_jonas> fungot, is there such a thing as a frontgammon or forwardgammon or forwardsgammon?
06:48:13 <fungot> b_jonas: with the support, and often the reason, i will be about, and mlas. the constituency is that we are living in.
06:48:25 <b_jonas> ok
06:48:45 <Sgeo> fungot, will you ever be mistaken for sentient?
06:48:46 <fungot> Sgeo: it is not, that wage must form a binding order, why that engagement should be sanctioned, the government has a strategy, but uncertainty.
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06:52:18 <zzo38> Can you make up by yourself if there is not?
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06:57:26 <Corbin> fungot: What about fnordgammon?
06:57:26 <fungot> Corbin: that in the future such individual accounts, and the future. this is complex, but
06:57:34 <Corbin> fungot: How about fnord Ganon?
06:57:34 <fungot> Corbin: has the hon. and learned friend the minister for that, and i can,
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07:44:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Z Ling * moved [[Gino]] to [[User:Z Ling/Gino]]
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09:50:22 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Uiyx * New user account
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12:36:22 <int-e> . o O ( note to self: don't try to stack-allocate 1.6GB array )
12:37:05 <myname> don't tell me what i have to do! i will allocate 2 gb and my pc will like it!
12:37:37 <int-e> playing with ulimit is too much of a hassle :)
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14:23:08 <esolangs> [[Fist]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98290&oldid=98232 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+81)
14:26:16 <esolangs> [[LaserFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98291&oldid=98188 * Bangyen * (+605) /* Examples */
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14:37:45 <esolangs> [[Bbe doc downloadable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98293&oldid=98157 * PixelatedStarfish * (-963)
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15:05:55 <esolangs> [[Chevron]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98295&oldid=70704 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+143) Stub, add categories, Wayback
15:07:29 <esolangs> [[Chevron]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98296&oldid=98295 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+30) Re-add removed categories
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15:26:28 <esolangs> [[Nya~]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98297&oldid=85879 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-7) Unpipe
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15:29:15 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98299&oldid=98298 * PixelatedStarfish * (-46) /* Command List */
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15:43:52 <citrons> /win 18
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16:14:55 <b_jonas> fungot: ok, how about reargammon or hindgammon?
16:14:55 <fungot> b_jonas: at the other end, precariously with low-paid and the under-30s the opt-out system, no minister of the crown
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22:58:35 <esolangs> [[Exalang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98324 * M * (+377) a programming language which is the same as ESOPUNK but extended
22:59:59 <esolangs> [[Exalang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98325&oldid=98324 * M * (+43) /* links */
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02:33:10 <tswett> > "Hey everyone o/"
02:33:12 <lambdabot> "Hey everyone o/"
02:33:50 <tswett> So as per usual, I've been feeding IRC logs into a neural net in order to generate new random chat.
02:34:45 <tswett> The neural net apparently randomly generated a really interesting Haskell expression. The neural net has someone writing:
02:34:46 <tswett> > let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in p !! 20
02:34:48 <lambdabot> 146681521121244
02:36:23 <tswett> Welp, I searched the logs for that month and that expression is actually one that shows up nearly verbatim several times. It's not something that the neural net invented at all.
02:36:27 <tswett> My disappointment is immeasurable.
02:36:33 <tswett> Also, /// is called Slashalash now.
02:36:43 <tswett> How are all y'all doing?
02:39:48 <Corbin> Hm. Is it maybe a Project Euler answer? It looks familiar.
02:40:29 <tswett> Here are the first 21 elements of that list: 1,4,17,76,354,1704,8421,42508,218318,1137400,5996938,31940792,171605956,928931280,5061593709,27739833228,152809506582,845646470616,4699126915422,26209721959656,146681521121244
02:41:07 <tswett> Aha, it's this: https://oeis.org/A005572
02:41:52 <Corbin> Nice.
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04:07:41 <zzo38> I think there is water to the east of England? Well, in the story in this role playing game that I do, there is a maze of canyons and then another country and then water. Also they play dice like in our medieval England but the main number is not restricted to the range 5 to 9, but if the main number is seven still has the highest probability of winning.
04:10:02 <Corbin> fungot: Is there water to the east of England?
04:10:02 <fungot> Corbin: an eu interest, or that the government will
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05:18:18 <river> tswett: Wow your AI is actually intelligent and *understands* how to write haskell!
05:22:24 * Corbin imagines a line of dominos
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06:38:32 <zzo38> (I did not actually write the rules for this variant dice game, although it should be written so that it works like the actual dice game if the main is 5-9, works similarly with other mains, and that the main being 7 still has the highest probability of winning.)
06:40:43 <zzo38> (In the modern game of dice, the main number is always seven, but the older game allowed other numbers too.)
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09:30:22 <int-e> why gcc, why? https://paste.debian.net/1243926/
09:30:32 <esolangs> [[User:Potato Imaginator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98336&oldid=98331 * Potato Imaginator * (+31)
09:30:55 <int-e> I meant "why, gcc, why?"
09:36:05 <int-e> ah, https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=95620 helps... there's a flag -mcmodel=large
09:37:29 <int-e> Though that bug claims to be "fixed for GCC 11" and my gcc is 11.3.0.
09:40:00 <int-e> But whatever... the important thing is that the flag works
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10:01:46 <b_jonas> uh... a 2<<32 byte long static array
10:02:14 <b_jonas> I'm not surprised that it errors out, though probably the compiler stage should give an error rather than leave it to the linker
10:02:22 <b_jonas> since it's a single big array
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14:25:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:OW-1]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=98345 * Potato Imaginator * (+226) Created page with "Could Someone verify the Turing Complete Proof by actually running it in the program [https://tic80.com/play?cart=2840 Link] and verifying it. ~~~"
14:37:20 <esolangs> [[BunnyBell Documentation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98346&oldid=98329 * PixelatedStarfish * (-21)
14:37:43 <esolangs> [[OW-1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98347&oldid=98343 * Gapples2 * (+58) very small change
14:39:46 <esolangs> [[OW-1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98348&oldid=98347 * Gapples2 * (+4) even smaller change
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14:50:25 <esolangs> [[Uyjhmn n]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=98350&oldid=85240 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+620) Turing completness Proof
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16:35:12 <Sgeo> I'm confused about this code
16:35:25 <Sgeo> outport(SEQU_ADDR, 0x0F02);
16:36:04 <Sgeo> memset(vga+1, 0, 0xffff); /* stupid size_t exactly 1 too small */
16:36:04 <Sgeo> vga[0] = 0;
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16:38:57 <int-e> Hmm, been a while. That... enables writes to all four memory planes?
16:40:02 <int-e> Sgeo: the thing to understand is that this write '02' to the sequencer index register, and then 0f to the sequencer data register... that's how x86 handles writing words to the port address space
16:40:25 <Sgeo> I'm glossing over that and wondering about that size_t complaint
16:40:36 <int-e> 16 bit memory model
16:40:37 <Sgeo> Is VGA really just one byte larger than convenient?
16:40:51 <int-e> it depends on what you're doing with it
16:41:27 <int-e> if it's just plain graphics then that's overkill. but if you want to scroll around, you'll be wrapping around on the four 64kb planes.
16:41:53 <Sgeo> This is inside a function called set320x200x256_X
16:43:00 <int-e> and if you don't want to scroll around you probabily would use the weird plain interleaved graphics mode with a single 320x200 = 64000 bytes buffer that's stored in all four planes rather than the "X" mode that doesn't do that.
16:45:40 <shachaf> How strong is the connection between prefix-free encodings of natural numbers and fast-growing hierarchies?
16:45:59 <int-e> weak enough that I'm not aware of it
16:46:55 <int-e> for whatever *that* is worth... I've seen slow and fast-growing hierarchies but never done much with them myself
16:47:34 <shachaf> Here are some classic encodings:
16:47:39 <shachaf> Encode n in unary (e.g. n 1s followed by a 0).
16:48:03 <shachaf> Encode log n in unary, then n in binary.
16:48:19 <shachaf> Encode log log n in unary, then log n in binary, then n in binary. Etc.
16:48:29 <int-e> log*: 0 | 1 <length-1, encoded> <bits>
16:48:50 <shachaf> Repeat the above k times for any k. Then you can encode k in unary instead of having it be constant, and so on.
16:48:53 <river> wow!!!!
16:49:04 <river> that's like ordinals
16:49:08 <shachaf> Yep.
16:49:27 <shachaf> One way to think of these things is as binary search where you don't know the upper bound.
16:49:50 <shachaf> The first one is just linear search. The second one is repeated doubling to find an upper bound, then a binary search.
16:50:27 <shachaf> The third one is searching for an upper bound of the form 2^2^n, then binary searching exponents to find a bound of the form 2^n, then binary search for the number.
16:51:08 <shachaf> And presumably you can have a fast-growing hierarchy of functions to do the first step, searching for an upper bound.
16:52:46 <int-e> If you overdo it the encoding will suck for small numbers.
16:53:46 <river> finite payoff
16:54:00 <river> to get wins representing big numbers
16:54:05 <shachaf> Yes, certainly these are all only interesting asymptotically.
16:54:07 <river> is there a way to measure the finite payoff
16:54:35 <river> payoff is probably a bad word
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16:55:08 <shachaf> The first few I listed use n, O(log(n)), log(n) + O(log^2(n)), log(n) + log^2(n) + O(log^3(n)) bits.
16:55:17 <ais523> Sgeo: re: size_t, the issue is that when you're dealing with 64KiB segments, resonable sizes for things range from 0 to 65536, but that's 65537 possibilities
16:55:43 <ais523> Rust solves this problem with two different range operators: 0..65536 loops over 65536 possibilities (inclusive lower endpoint, exclusive higher endpoint)
16:55:56 <ais523> err, s/65536/65535/g
16:56:07 <ais523> and 0..=65535 loops over all 65536 possibilities, including both endpoints
16:56:32 <ais523> zzo38: there is indeed water to the east of England, at least some parts of it, I confirmed this personally yesterday
16:58:05 <Sgeo> ...oh, memset(foo, 0, 0) is meaningless I guess. Need number of bytes to be 1. So it's like there's an unused size
16:58:30 <Sgeo> not meaningless but useless
16:59:02 <ais523> it is surprisingly hard to do an endpoint-inclusive loop over the entire range of an unsigned integral type in C
16:59:38 <ais523> you have to do something like "size_t i = 0; do { a[i] = 0; i++ } while (i != 0);"
16:59:55 <river> that's a nice way to do it
17:06:25 <int-e> you could also use word-based access and sidestep the issue that way
17:11:12 <fizzie> Hmm. I was kind of thinking the way the x86 REP prefix solved that issue was to also "redefine" what 0 means (or equivalently, test the counter only after the first decrement) but the manual's pseudocode suggests that is not the case, so maybe that was just a dream.
17:12:21 <int-e> fizzie: `rep` and `loop` are different in this regard
17:12:58 <int-e> (for a good reason, in the case of `loop`)
17:13:24 <int-e> (and, I suppose, also in the case of `rep` because 0-sized memory moves will be a common corner case)
17:13:37 <int-e> s/moves/operations/
17:14:14 <ais523> `loop` is weird; many modern processors run `loop` slowly but parse `dec rcx; jnz label` as a single instruction internally that has the same effect and is more efficient
17:14:16 <HackEso> loop`? No such file or directory
17:15:10 <ais523> I've seen a rumour that the reason is in order to get exception handling correct – if the jump points to non-executable memory, the latter sequence lets you leave the IP pointing at the jnz instruction, so that the instruction does the right thing when resumed after the exception is handled
17:15:31 <ais523> so the encoding of an instruction with `loop`-like semantics needs to end with the encoding for a `jnz` instruction, in order to be implemented efficiently
17:15:41 <int-e> that makes sense
17:15:50 <ais523> whereas, with `loop`, the only way to get exception handling to work is to undo the decrement of rcx, which needs special cases
17:16:21 <int-e> And I suppose compilers never bothered to take advantage of `loop`. So CPU designers had no incentive to make it fast.
17:16:43 <ais523> right
17:16:46 <shachaf> It would be funny if the encoding was such that you could jump into the middle of a loop instruction to get the jnz behavior.
17:17:13 <shachaf> I guess you might lose the benefits of the loop encoding being compact, though.
17:17:26 <ais523> maybe "lock jnz" should be introduced as an alternative encoding for "loop" – that's compact and might be unused at the moment
17:17:57 <ais523> although "dec rcx" is only one byte longer than "lock" on x86_64, and the same length on i386
17:17:59 <int-e> does x86_64 still have this instruction or has it been repurposed the way that the single byte inc and dec instructions were?
17:18:08 <ais523> (err, "dec ecx" on i386, obviously)
17:18:16 <ais523> int-e: it still has "loop" I think
17:18:22 <int-e> and, much earlier... I think `pop cs` was a thing on the original 8086?
17:18:40 <ais523> still has "lock" too, although it's been repurposed as a general-purpose prefix that changes the meaning of an instruction
17:18:58 <ais523> right, "pop cs" got repurposed very early because it is a very hard instruction to use correctly
17:19:00 <int-e> hasn't `lock` always been a prefix?
17:19:18 <ais523> yes, but it hasn't always had the behaviour of changing instruction semantisc
17:20:49 <ais523> "rep"/"repne" are similar, but they are no-ops on operations which don't have defined semantics changes (as opposed to "lock", which throws #UD, i.e. SIGILL, if it doesn't have a defined way to apply to that instruction)
17:21:45 <int-e> leading to some weirdness around `rep ret` a while ago, I forgot why that was a thin