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00:07:43 <esolangs> [[C-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104332&oldid=65739 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+55) Stub, categories
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00:47:15 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104333&oldid=104330 * Zorrotesla * (+201) /* Introductions */
00:50:23 <esolangs> [[User:Zorrotesla]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104334 * Zorrotesla * (+37) Created page with "Zorrotesla is interested in esolangs."
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10:44:36 <FireFly> int-e: nyfb, 'svefg' naq 'gragu' ner obgu 5 yrggref
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10:45:08 <FireFly> (redactle) tbg vg onfrq ba gur "anzrq nsgre ..."
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11:28:21 <int-e> FireFly: yeah I noticed that too
11:29:27 <int-e> (but wasn't smart enough to look further into the text... well, I also didn't care)
11:49:46 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Mayedl10 * New user account
11:53:51 <b_jonas> `` sqlite3 -cmd "SELECT replace(s,char(33),'''')||s||'''s);'FROM(SELECT'SELECT replace(s,char(33),!!!!)||s||!!!s);!FROM(SELECT!'s);"
11:53:52 <HackEso> SELECT replace(s,char(33),'''')||s||'''s);'FROM(SELECT'SELECT replace(s,char(33),!!!!)||s||!!!s);!FROM(SELECT!'s);
11:54:09 <b_jonas> I found my old quine
11:54:15 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104335&oldid=104333 * Mayedl10 * (+165) /* Introductions */
11:54:31 <b_jonas> they don't make them like this anymore
11:56:34 <b_jonas> I also have a 27 line lomg SQL one
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12:00:06 <b_jonas> that one is more involved, it has triggers for some reason
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12:01:24 <b_jonas> I think the trigger is only needed because there's no way to concatenate strings from the rows of a select result in a guaranteed stable result otherwise
12:03:45 <b_jonas> though I'm not sure I guarantee the order that the triggers are called honestly
12:09:19 <b_jonas> I also have a third, a nine-liner sql
12:10:37 <b_jonas> `` sqlite3 -cmd "SELECT ab||a||a||a||a||aa||b||a||b||a||bb||b||a||aa||a||aa||aa||b||a||bb||a||bb||bb||b||a||ab||a||aa||bb||b||a||ba||a||bb||aa||ba FROM(SELECT''''a,','b,'a'aa,'b'bb,'SELECT ab||a||a||a||a||aa||b||a||b||a||bb||b||a||aa||a||aa||aa||b||a||bb||a||bb||bb||b||a||ab||a||aa||bb||b||a||ba||a||bb||aa||ba FROM(SELECT'ab,');'ba);"
12:10:38 <HackEso> SELECT ab||a||a||a||a||aa||b||a||b||a||bb||b||a||aa||a||aa||aa||b||a||bb||a||bb||bb||b||a||ab||a||aa||bb||b||a||ba||a||bb||aa||ba FROM(SELECT''''a,','b,'a'aa,'b'bb,'SELECT ab||a||a||a||a||aa||b||a||b||a||bb||b||a||aa||a||aa||aa||b||a||bb||a||bb||bb||b||a||ab||a||aa||bb||b||a||ba||a||bb||aa||ba FROM(SELECT'ab,');'ba);
12:11:05 <int-e> Hmm I haven't made a quine since https://gist.github.com/int-e/57eefc6cce29ed47ddaaca13a0774533
12:13:19 <b_jonas> this uses the fact that the `AS` keyword is optional here
12:14:10 <b_jonas> but the principle would work without, this is just a shortcut
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12:34:56 <sprout> do you walk around with a wizard hat?
12:35:05 <sprout> you should
12:35:15 <sprout> prior warning and all that
12:35:51 <int-e> tromp: Ponder is more of a number theory thing this time
12:41:37 <esolangs> [[MindVomit]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104336 * Mayedl10 * (+4823) Created page with "==MindVomit== MindVomit is an esoteric interpreted programming language designed by [https://github.com/Mayedl10 Mayedl10] on GitHub. Its syntax is inspired by the famous "Bra..."
12:42:00 <esolangs> [[MindVomit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104337&oldid=104336 * Mayedl10 * (-5) /* The operators in version 1.3.0 are: */
12:42:07 <esolangs> [[MindVomit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104338&oldid=104337 * Mayedl10 * (-1) /* If-statements: */
12:42:14 <esolangs> [[MindVomit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104339&oldid=104338 * Mayedl10 * (-1) /* Closing Characters: */
12:42:20 <esolangs> [[MindVomit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104340&oldid=104339 * Mayedl10 * (-1) /* Commands in the interpreter: */
12:42:27 <esolangs> [[MindVomit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104341&oldid=104340 * Mayedl10 * (-1) /* Getting started: */
12:42:56 <esolangs> [[MindVomit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104342&oldid=104341 * Mayedl10 * (-1) /* Examples: */
12:43:05 <esolangs> [[MindVomit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104343&oldid=104342 * Mayedl10 * (-1) /* Loops: */
12:43:18 <esolangs> [[MindVomit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104344&oldid=104343 * Mayedl10 * (-14) /* MindVomit */
12:44:02 <esolangs> [[MindVomit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104345&oldid=104344 * Mayedl10 * (-29)
12:44:20 <sprout> I don't understand the sql quines
12:44:55 <esolangs> [[NScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104346&oldid=84335 * Mayedl10 * (+0) /* Comments */
12:46:20 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104347&oldid=104291 * Mayedl10 * (+16) /* M */
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13:20:17 <fizzie> It's probably helpful to at least know that || is the string concatenation operator, and SQL escapes are done by doubling, so '''' is the string consisting of a single '.
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16:28:22 <esolangs> [[IBSA]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104348 * Simple9371 * (+5057) Created IBSA
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16:38:11 <esolangs> [[IBSA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104349&oldid=104348 * Simple9371 * (+29) Adhere to Esolang:Help and added categories
16:43:12 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104350&oldid=104347 * Simple9371 * (+11) /* I */ Added IBSA
16:46:50 <esolangs> [[IBSA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104351&oldid=104349 * Simple9371 * (+77) Add BNF definition and minor corrections
16:55:59 <esolangs> [[IBSA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104352&oldid=104351 * Simple9371 * (+3) Minor corrections.
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17:22:53 <esolangs> [[MindVomit]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104353&oldid=104345 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+27) Add link and category
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17:48:19 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104354&oldid=104335 * Strangecode * (+351) /* Introductions */
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17:52:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * TEIALLDEV * New user account
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20:26:39 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Z Z * New user account
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20:56:41 <esolangs> [[IBSA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104355&oldid=104352 * Simple9371 * (-12) /* Flow definition */ Remove ordinals that may confuse in bit position
20:58:29 <esolangs> [[IBSA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104356&oldid=104355 * Simple9371 * (+2) /* Flow definition */ Put bit 0 in quotes.
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21:20:10 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104357&oldid=104354 * Z Z * (+276) /* Introductions */
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23:12:14 <esolangs> [[User:WhoeverKnew123]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104358&oldid=96299 * WhoeverKnew123 * (-138)
23:54:33 <Soni> is regex an esolang?
23:57:08 <Soni> well anyway
23:57:23 <Soni> we're trying to make some sort of structural regex or something
23:57:48 <Soni> it is very hard, mostly because we decided to do it the hard way.
2022-11-02
00:04:01 <shachaf> I guess you're not talking about https://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/structural_regexps/se.pdf ?
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00:19:13 <Soni> shachaf: no but that's really cool and definitely something we've thought about before :o
00:19:34 <Soni> we mean "regex" applied to data structures (JSON)
00:19:44 <Soni> (*decoded* JSON)
00:29:43 <b_jonas> yay! I finally solved the two remaining non-challenge puzzles in the Wall world in Patrick's Paradox
00:29:55 <b_jonas> I can continue to the next world (Infinite Exit)
00:30:17 <shachaf> Which ones are those?
00:31:31 <b_jonas> wall 7 and 12
00:31:44 <b_jonas> 12 wasn't really hard, I think I just wasn't looking at it because I was supposed to be able to solve Wall 7
00:31:48 <b_jonas> but wall 7 was evil
00:32:43 <b_jonas> I mean its solution is simple
00:32:47 <b_jonas> but somehow it took me a lot to find it
00:32:50 <b_jonas> dunno why
00:33:00 <b_jonas> they're all simple in retrospect
00:33:05 <b_jonas> that's so evil about them
00:33:41 <shachaf> I don't remember which those are.
00:34:32 <b_jonas> do you want a screenshot?
00:34:35 <shachaf> Oh, I found a video.
00:37:13 <b_jonas> I figured you'd just start the game because everyone on this channel owns it, but I guess that's not how it works
00:37:38 <shachaf> I think it's a bit tricky to start it.
00:39:00 <b_jonas> I still don't understand how they managed to make a consistent system from this that never crashes
00:40:02 <shachaf> Why would it crash?
00:40:48 <b_jonas> or lock up or can't compute a reasonable answer or something
00:40:55 <b_jonas> it's not just memory safe
00:41:00 <b_jonas> it always delivers a reasonable answer
00:41:22 <b_jonas> it just creates the required nested infinities and epsilons and whatever
00:43:45 <b_jonas> I mean with looped pushes and mirrored clones and whatnot the whole thing gets pretty complicated
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01:43:19 <b_jonas> I completed the base game now btw. the rest of the puzzles are such that the solutions are easy to find, though they're sometimes also like "what the heck is happening here? ok, that worked."
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02:25:12 <zzo38> Not everyone does; I do not have that game.
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09:48:49 <esolangs> [[NGGYU]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104359&oldid=102414 * Leomok2009 * (+1)
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12:24:36 <Soni> this is what we have btw https://soniex2.autistic.space/git-repos/dfu.git/browse/refs/heads/default/tree/src/vm/de.rs/
12:24:41 <Soni> mostly the tests at the end of the file
12:25:01 <Soni> sadly this doesn't work for real-world use-cases
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14:56:07 <esolangs> [[Double]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104361&oldid=103839 * Lim95 * (+65)
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15:29:20 <Surreal> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqC8_QomPk
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15:38:47 <Surreal> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLm2PojPP30
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15:46:08 <Surreal> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9-2sBo1T5s
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17:13:00 <esolangs> [[OLNMLN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104362&oldid=87469 * Grs * (-29) Removed "See also" section
17:20:37 <esolangs> [[OLNMLN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104363&oldid=104362 * Grs * (+25)
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21:25:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * SwitchU42 * New user account
21:27:57 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104364&oldid=104357 * SwitchU42 * (+303)
21:42:05 <esolangs> [[THROBOL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104365&oldid=103875 * BoundedBeans * (+0) Corrected momentum to velocity - momentum was a name in development
22:01:22 <esolangs> [[THROBOL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104366&oldid=104365 * BoundedBeans * (+105) Clarified ? and fixed errors in proof
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23:20:12 <Soni> we figured out what's wrong and we have no idea how to fix it
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01:51:31 <esolangs> [[Dathanna]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104371 * Strangecode * (+4998) Dathanna -- A language of colors for the Apple II
01:52:27 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104372&oldid=104350 * Strangecode * (+15) /* D */
01:54:45 <esolangs> [[Dathanna]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104373&oldid=104371 * Strangecode * (-32)
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03:24:56 <esolangs> [[Firefly]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104377 * Strangecode * (+3878) Created page with "'''Firefly''' is an esoteric programming language for the [https://microbit.org/ BBC micro:bit]. == Rationale == The micro:bit is a tiny single-board computer that runs Pytho..."
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08:17:04 <FireFly> o.o
08:17:27 <FireFly> neat
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16:40:48 <esolangs> [[Filska]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104383 * Strangecode * (+6292) Created page with "'''Filska''' (pronounced "full-ska", Shetland for "high spirited fun") is an esoteric programming language designed to answer the question: what is it like to program in a la..."
16:41:44 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104384&oldid=104378 * Strangecode * (+13) /* F */
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19:02:30 <esolangs> [[Array++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104386&oldid=104385 * Z Z * (+77) some fixes
19:03:16 <esolangs> [[Array++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104387&oldid=104386 * Z Z * (-2) /* Examples */
19:16:03 <esolangs> [[Array++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104388&oldid=104387 * Z Z * (+324) /* Array++ */
19:17:10 <esolangs> [[Array++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104389&oldid=104388 * Z Z * (+22)
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19:29:02 <esolangs> [[Filska]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104394&oldid=104383 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) Formatting, add category
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06:57:56 <b_jonas> fungot, when you wait with baited breath for someone who takes your breath away, what do you use as bait?
06:57:57 <fungot> b_jonas: um, hot there? er, " integrates"? ( english fnord thereof). that would rule) was huge, people would complain.
07:01:15 <b_jonas> what did people complain about, fungot?
07:01:16 <fungot> b_jonas: would make even more sense) course. don't know if the spec implicitly allowed or disallowed " int of infinitely many bits". the preview looks promising to me
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10:20:34 <ais523> b_jonas: the phrase is actually "with bated breath" – it's a contraction of "abated"
10:20:48 <ais523> so no bait required
10:21:51 <fizzie> With ablated breath.
10:38:08 <esolangs> [[FALSE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104395&oldid=83966 * McChuck * (+77) /* External resources */
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11:27:55 <fizzie> Hmm. I have a relatively recently (~1-2 months) acquired a computer, which is one of those tiny boxes that just barely fits in a M.2 drive and an 2.5" SATA SSD. It's now twice done something like https://0x0.st/og38.txt (where ata2.00/sda is the 2.5 SATA drive); once during the initial installation, and just now out of the blue.
11:28:00 <fizzie> I wonder how I could find out if the problem's with the drive, the machine itself, or some sort of software incompatibility issue. I could just take the drive out and try using it somewhere else, but since it has only happened twice in about two months, it might take a long time of testing to show up.
11:28:13 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104402 * McChuck * (+2790) Created page with "== Falsish: a FALSE variant inspired by [[fish]] == Falsish is [[FALSE]] with the following changes: * Input and output flushing is automatic. * The PICK character is replace..."
11:28:34 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104403&oldid=104402 * McChuck * (+0) /* Stack */
11:29:11 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104404&oldid=104403 * McChuck * (+11) /* Stack */
11:29:38 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104405&oldid=104404 * McChuck * (-7) /* Stack */
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11:31:12 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104408&oldid=104407 * McChuck * (+23) /* Stack */
11:32:12 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104409&oldid=104408 * McChuck * (+3) /* Falsish: a FALSE variant inspired by fish */
11:32:24 <fizzie> Searching the interwebs, mostly that sort of messages have seemed to indicate just one of those random "this drive and this SATA controller (and this OS) just don't like each other" situations. Or a bad SATA cable, which in this case would be problematic because there's no cable, it's just a thing in the case that a drive slots into.
11:34:00 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104410&oldid=104409 * McChuck * (+66) /* Stack */
11:37:12 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104411&oldid=104410 * McChuck * (+215) /* Stack */
11:37:47 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104412&oldid=104411 * McChuck * (+0) /* Stack */
11:41:35 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104413&oldid=104412 * McChuck * (+60) /* Stack */
11:44:25 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104414&oldid=104413 * McChuck * (+105)
11:45:12 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104415&oldid=104414 * McChuck * (+0) /* Example program */
11:45:37 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104416&oldid=104415 * McChuck * (+14) /* Other */
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14:01:03 <b_jonas> ok, but that's such a rare word that I think fungot just substitutes fnord in its place. fungot, what do you use as bate when you wait with bated breath?
14:01:03 <fungot> b_jonas: a magazine ( obviously) is there 2 pairs?
14:01:57 <b_jonas> fizzie: oh, at least you have a log. my computer simply froze and the logs don't seem to be telling me why. so far it did so three times.
14:03:08 <b_jonas> fizzie: make sure to check cables, maybe disconnect all sides of the disconnectable cables then blow into the connectors then reconnect. (blowing into is optional, it just makes sure you follow the instructions about disconnecting the cables properly.)
14:04:00 <b_jonas> "in this case would be problematic because there's no cable, it's just a thing in the case that a drive slots into." => well just remove the drive then, blow into its SATA connector, then put the drive back in then.
14:04:46 <b_jonas> in my case I don't think it was the disks, that gives different symptoms than just freezing mid-sound
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14:09:01 <Soni> oh yeah, we actually started playing with "regex for json" after trying to (and failing to) play with "2D regex"
14:09:12 <fizzie> I guess I can try wiggling the drive. I remember it was a little hard to get seated.
14:09:26 <fizzie> Some people have had luck with firmware upgrades as well.
14:10:18 <b_jonas> don't just wiggle it. remove it completely if possible then add it back. that works better.
14:10:25 <b_jonas> power down the computer first of course
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16:16:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:Falsish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104428 * McChuck * (+878) Falsish ` alternate uses?
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16:23:16 <ProfNinja> hi there, have a few things I'd like to contribute to the wiki and wanted to say hi first
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17:07:56 <esolangs> [[MineStax]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104435 * ProfNinja * (+1742) The first draft of the MineStax language page, will edit again with a Hello World program.
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17:13:43 <esolangs> [[MineStax]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104438&oldid=104437 * ProfNinja * (+193) Categories for MineStax
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20:43:02 <b_jonas> `welcome ProfNinja
20:43:05 <HackEso> ProfNinja: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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22:14:07 <Soni> :map ->['projects'?]:map ->[commit:?str]:?map ->[url:?str]:?map ->[branch:?str]:?map (->['active'?]active:?bool)? (->['federate'?]federate:?bool)?
22:14:30 <Soni> we just don't know how we want this to look in the internal Pack representation
22:14:50 <Soni> we don't know how it should look
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22:43:33 <fizzie> Mhm. The drive is a Crucial MX500, and smartctl reports its firmware version is M3CR043.
22:43:35 <fizzie> The Crucial support page says: "A number of MX500 drives were shipped with Firmware Revision M3CR043 or M3CR044. These revisions are not applicable to drives which shipped with previous firmware revisions." Then it goes on to provide download links for versions M3CR033 which is "compatible with drives that shipped with M3CR032" and M3CR023 which is "compatible with all drives shipped with
22:43:37 <fizzie> firmware other than M3CR032".
22:45:01 <fizzie> I think a strict reading would claim the firmware version M3CR023 would be "compatible" (because M3CR043 is "other than M3CR032"), but I think the intent of the page is still to suggest that they have no firmware update to provide for a drive that was shipped with M3CR043.
22:52:41 <Soni> eek
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16:45:11 <esolangs> [[ThueLike]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104464&oldid=104463 * Mario0Fan * (+3) /* Other */
16:46:23 <esolangs> [[ThueLike]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104465&oldid=104464 * Mario0Fan * (+45) Added randomized truth machine info
16:47:27 <esolangs> [[ThueLike]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104466&oldid=104465 * Mario0Fan * (+68) hello world
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17:33:36 <esolangs> [[ThueLike]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104478&oldid=104477 * Mario0Fan * (+15) Another example
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17:35:00 <esolangs> [[ThueLike]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104480&oldid=104479 * Mario0Fan * (+1) i still dont know how to use the wiki editor as intended
17:37:00 <esolangs> [[ThueLike]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104481&oldid=104480 * Mario0Fan * (+0) help
17:38:56 <b_jonas> fungot, will I be baked and then there will be cake?
17:38:56 <fungot> b_jonas: yea some formatting mode that gets my indentation, etc right?
17:39:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:ThueLike]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104482 * Mario0Fan * (+332) Created page with "==The ThueLike view history tab== If you open the view history tab in ThueLike's esolangs.org page, you will see alot of failed attempts of me trying to use the nowiki tag. Af..."
17:39:32 <myname> df for stream on dec, 6th! hype!
18:02:49 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104483&oldid=103830 * Mario0Fan * (+22) /* Implementations */
18:05:49 <int-e> fungot: Will Twitter be fully self-driving before Tesla?
18:05:49 <fungot> int-e: sarahbot locate number42.
18:18:23 <esolangs> [[ThueLike]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104484&oldid=104481 * Mario0Fan * (+166)
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18:32:19 <fizzie> fungot: I don't think that really answered the question.
18:32:20 <fungot> fizzie: only two? is that code working with monads is that code actually released?
18:33:00 <fizzie> fungot: Are you a fan of Elon, by the way?
18:33:00 <fungot> fizzie: dragonflybsd also uses pkgsrc as their " fnord"
18:33:17 <fizzie> Cagey.
18:36:48 <int-e> Relatable; that was a really loaded question.
18:42:11 <b_jonas> fungot, do you hate loaded questions?
18:42:11 <fungot> b_jonas: from the looks
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22:46:48 <fizzie> Upgraded MediaWiki from 1.36 to 1.38. There's a couple of (mildly) user-visible changes this time.
22:47:10 <fizzie> Firstly, you might have to force-reload to get rid of stale cached stylesheet files; I did have to. If you see some extra labels around the UI that seem like they don't belong, that's probably the cause.
22:47:18 <fizzie> Secondly, there's two new skins: MinervaNeue, and DarkVector.
22:47:38 <fizzie> The former's the standard mobile-friendly skin, which was now bundled with the installation so I kept it in. I've not installed the MobileFrontend extension (which would support detecting/redirecting mobile browsers), and have no immediate plans to do so, so you'd have to explicitly switch your preferences to use it to see it. But it looked to be working okay.
22:48:07 <fizzie> The latter is a dark-themed recoloring of Vector. The logo and the main page headings look kind of terrible in it, but regular articles that play no tricks should still look acceptable. There's no automation to follow your dark-mode preferences here either, so you'd again have to just switch to it to use it.
22:48:17 <fizzie> And finally, I included the UserMerge extension, so if someone has two (or more) wiki accounts, it's now possible to get them merged neatly so that edit history and such gets preserved. It needs the "bureaucrat" permission to use (so me or ais523, basically).
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00:13:27 <b_jonas> ok
00:55:00 <esolangs> [[A pi e]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104487&oldid=104324 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+17) Stub, WIP
00:57:56 <esolangs> [[APLWSI]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104488&oldid=71613 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+105) Add categories
01:28:23 <b_jonas> `? monoid
01:28:26 <HackEso> A monoid is the easy version of a category.
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04:41:45 <shachaf> zzo38: Do you like duck chess?
04:42:33 <zzo38> I have not played it, but I know how it is played. (I have not played chess much at all recently)
04:42:51 <zzo38> I like that idea, though.
04:46:01 <b_jonas> shachaf: I'm disappointed about it. if it has a rubber duck, bishops should be able to move bouncing from it. they can't. ok, but then they should have used different flavor than a rubber duck.
04:50:15 <zzo38> I am unlikely to use an actual rubber duck, since I do not have one of the correct size for the chess board that I have, but I can use something else instead, such as dice. (In a tournament, they probably should use the duck but then they would have a suitable duck for that purpose, I suppose, maybe)
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04:58:29 <b_jonas> try duck typing then. if you don't have a real duck, substitute any piece that moves every turn like a duck and quacks like a duck and can't capture like a duck
04:58:49 <b_jonas> er, moves every half-turn
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13:59:37 <b_jonas> `q law student
13:59:38 <HackEso> 97) <fungot> [...] i'm a law student so i am loving my bread machine
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21:58:10 <zzo38> I typed "cd prg" and I got the message: "bash: cd: write error: Success" The command worked despite the error message, and I cannot reproduce it.
22:00:11 <b_jonas> zzo38: is prg a symlink, or did bash track symbolic links in your pwd, or do you have any I/O errors for a file system in your kernel log, or are NFS involved?
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22:08:20 <int-e> LOL '$BASH_VERSION prints "bash: 4.2.37(1)-release: command not found".' https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/116381/why-did-bash-print-bash-cd-write-error-success
22:09:27 <int-e> (Fun one, I've never seen an error like that.)
22:10:47 <shachaf> There are claims on the Internet that if you use Reed-Solomon in GF(2^k), you can only have 2^k - 1 point, rather than 2^k points.
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22:11:05 <shachaf> But I'm not sure why you can't have 2^k points? Am I missing something?
22:11:13 <zzo38> It is not a symlink, there are no I/O errors for that file system in the kernel log, and NFS is not involved.
22:14:20 <shachaf> Looking at the bash source, it looks like this is a write error (ferror) to stdout.
22:14:46 <shachaf> Do you have something special going on?
22:15:00 <shachaf> Also do you have POSIXLY_CORRECT enabled?
22:21:47 <int-e> well, this is cute: cd / --> bash: PWD: readonly variable
22:22:07 <int-e> `` readonly PWD=/; cd /
22:22:09 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: PWD: readonly variable
22:24:49 <int-e> anyway, which bash version is that, and does it have custom patches, and also, are there any interesting PROMPT_COMMAND shenanigans etc. pp.
22:36:09 <shachaf> Also is CDPATH set?
22:36:33 <shachaf> I didn't even know about this.
22:37:06 <int-e> shachaf: I think that RS thing is a [citation needed], despite the fact that using 0... which just gives the constant coefficient... intuitively is a bit strange
22:38:19 <shachaf> I just tried it out with GF(4) for a 2+2 code.
22:38:31 <shachaf> It seems to work fine.
22:39:24 <shachaf> You can make an encoding matrix like [[1 0][0 1][1 1][1 s+1]] and every choice of two rows from that matrix is invertible.
22:39:49 <int-e> sure, it's "just" linear algebra at work
22:40:38 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandermonde_matrix has non-zero determinant if the x_i are all distinct; there's no need for them to be non-zero
22:43:48 <shachaf> Wait, there's no way having zeros in the matrix can work, is there?
22:44:06 <shachaf> A 0 wouldn't let you reconstruct the data if you lose one data shard and all but one parity shards.
22:46:24 <int-e> ?
22:46:41 <int-e> I think we have slightly different formulations of RS codes in mind
22:46:56 <shachaf> Probably!
22:47:41 <int-e> In the pure formulation, all matrix rows have the form [1,a,a^2,...,a^(n-1)]; there's no identity matrix portion.
22:47:59 <int-e> and in that formulation you can take a = 0.
22:48:19 <shachaf> I see, you're thinking of a non-systematic code?
22:48:25 <int-e> Yep.
22:48:28 <shachaf> Got it.
22:48:49 <shachaf> Actually, I'm still confused.
22:48:58 <shachaf> Oh, never mind, not confused.
22:49:07 <shachaf> This is just the same as the first row of the identity matrix, of course.
22:50:04 <int-e> I'm not quite sure how the systematic formulation works... I guess you just start with the systematic one and do Gaussian elimination on top? And that'll ensure that the non-identity matrix rows mix all the data.
22:50:16 <shachaf> Systematic codes seem pretty good, though. Is there ever a reason not to use them?
22:50:34 <int-e> The error correction may be harder?
22:51:01 <int-e> "harder"... it'll just be a linear transformation away no matter what you do.
22:52:12 <shachaf> Hmm, it's probably mostly that I'm used to applications where errors/erasures are rare, and you want encoding to be fast and decoding in the no-error case to be fast.
22:52:46 <shachaf> I guess as errors get more common you start to care about decoding more, and then maybe that's more important.
22:53:47 <b_jonas> is this again about that thing we were talking about some days or weeks or months ago? I think it's still in the channel logs
22:53:52 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed-Solomon_error_correction#Systematic_encoding_procedure:_The_message_as_an_initial_sequence_of_values ...yeah right, you can describe it as doing (Lagrange) interpolation followed by evaluation.
22:54:10 <shachaf> A natural way to get a systematic code is to fit a polynomial to n point and then generate p more points.
22:54:15 <shachaf> Right.
22:54:59 <int-e> the (A's left square submatrix)^-1 A variant would apply to any linear code (provided that matrix is invertible)
22:55:11 <b_jonas> https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2022-10.html#lrt
22:56:19 <int-e> shachaf: anyway, now it becomes a question of which points you used for interpolation... you don't have to re-evaluate the polynomial for those, and 0 is likely to be one of them because it makes the process a tiny bit cheaper.
22:57:06 <int-e> b_jonas: looks similar, but the RS angle is new
22:57:14 <int-e> I think.
23:09:39 <b_jonas> what's an "RS"?
23:09:57 <shachaf> Reed-Solomon, I assume.
23:09:59 <b_jonas> ah
23:10:06 <b_jonas> yes, that would make sense
23:10:23 <shachaf> Oh, also, is there a simple way to do error correction (rather than erasures) with Reed-Solomon?
23:10:39 <shachaf> For n+2 encoding, correcting one error is easy.
23:10:48 <shachaf> But it seems like it's much more complicated for correcting multiple errors.
23:15:40 <shachaf> (I'm thinking of systematic codes here again.)
23:16:22 <int-e> well it looks like the first thing they do is to undo the interpolation step?
23:16:58 <int-e> (looking at the end of that wikipedia page, i.e. the Berlekamp-Welch and Gao stuff)
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23:26:17 <shachaf> Oh, hmm, this Berlekamp-Welch thing looks simpler than Berlekamp-Massey.
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23:46:19 <shachaf> It's funny that for matrices over GF(2^k), the determinant is equal to the permanent.
23:54:17 <int-e> what's really funny is how useless that fact is for computing the permanent
23:55:00 <shachaf> You mean in other fields?
23:55:20 <int-e> in Z, really
23:55:24 <shachaf> Right.
23:55:41 <shachaf> (The best field.)
23:55:52 <shachaf> I tend to think that computing the permanent is really hard, which I guess is why it's funny that it's easy in this case.
23:55:56 <int-e> Q is the corresponding field. So we can pick that.
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00:03:23 <b_jonas> lol
00:03:45 <b_jonas> parity is easier than count, is that what you're saying?
00:18:02 <int-e> that's one way of putting it
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01:14:40 <shachaf> Man, I'm still hoping there's a really simple way of doing multi-error correction with RS.
01:14:47 <shachaf> Given that single-error correction can be really simple.
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15:56:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104549&oldid=104548 * McChuck * (+194) /* Push and Pop */
15:58:54 <esolangs> [[Talk:Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104550&oldid=104549 * McChuck * (+289) /* Turing completeness */ new section
15:59:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104551&oldid=104550 * McChuck * (+84) /* Turing completeness */
16:01:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104552&oldid=104551 * McChuck * (-194) /* Alternate uses for ` */
16:02:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104553&oldid=104552 * McChuck * (+0) /* Turing completeness */
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16:21:51 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104555&oldid=104554 * McChuck * (-31) /* Falsish: a FALSE variant inspired by fish > */
16:22:39 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104556&oldid=104555 * McChuck * (+48) /* Falsish: a FALSE variant inspired by fish > */
16:24:11 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104557&oldid=104556 * McChuck * (+18) /* Arithmetic */
16:24:48 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104558&oldid=104557 * McChuck * (-6) /* I/O */
16:27:37 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104559&oldid=104558 * McChuck * (+217) /* Commands */
16:30:01 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104560&oldid=104559 * McChuck * (+68) /* I/O */
16:41:02 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104561&oldid=104560 * McChuck * (+135) /* Example program */
16:44:33 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104562&oldid=104561 * McChuck * (+35) /* Stack */
16:44:59 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104563&oldid=104562 * McChuck * (+33) /* Falsish: a FALSE variant inspired by fish > */
16:57:03 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104564&oldid=104563 * McChuck * (+1) /* Falsish: a FALSE variant inspired by fish > */
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17:00:23 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104566&oldid=104565 * McChuck * (+1) /* Stack */
17:06:19 <esolangs> [[FALSE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104567&oldid=104395 * McChuck * (+28)
17:07:19 <esolangs> [[FALSE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104568&oldid=104567 * McChuck * (+10) /* See also */
17:12:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:FALSE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104569&oldid=104544 * McChuck * (-8) /* Falsish */
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17:57:56 <b_jonas> DUDE, either say "fill these exactly as in your personal identification documents" or "don't put these characters in this field", not both, fuck you
17:58:07 <b_jonas> *sigh* these webpages
17:58:50 <b_jonas> you can't have it both ways
17:58:59 <b_jonas> same for credit card
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18:47:01 <fizzie> Some of us had parents with the foresight of not putting non-ASCII characters in names.
18:47:08 <fizzie> (I don't think they really considered that, TBH.)
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19:24:44 <b_jonas> fizzie: this time it complained about digits in my birthplace
19:24:59 <b_jonas> which is ridiculous because a lot of people in Hungary have those
19:25:11 <b_jonas> it's the districts in Budapest
19:25:18 <b_jonas> shown in all newer identification, but not on older ones
19:25:35 <b_jonas> by now most people who were born in Budapest have them
19:25:44 <b_jonas> like retroactively
19:26:12 <b_jonas> I had been born in Budapest when I was born, but now I was born in a specific district of Budapest
19:27:12 <b_jonas> in fact it's even funnier, you can be been born in "Budapest" or "Budapest 99" or "Budapest 99, Magyarország"
19:29:01 <b_jonas> hmm no, that's not how participles work
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19:44:54 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104570&oldid=104566 * McChuck * (+66) /* Lambda and Flow control */
19:45:40 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104571&oldid=104570 * McChuck * (+9) /* Lambda and Flow control */
19:47:47 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104572&oldid=104571 * McChuck * (+28) /* Falsish: a FALSE variant inspired by fish > */
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19:58:34 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104573&oldid=104446 * EpicRaisin * (+223)
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21:15:20 <esolangs> [[HuffPuff]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104574&oldid=65358 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+80) Add categories
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06:42:10 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104576&oldid=104575 * Dtuser1337 * (+9839) /* Flinnscrip MKII */
06:42:28 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104577&oldid=104576 * Dtuser1337 * (-1) /* Flinnscrip MKII */
06:43:29 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104578&oldid=104577 * Dtuser1337 * (+49) /* Flinnscrip MKII */
06:43:42 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104579&oldid=104578 * Dtuser1337 * (+5) /* Flinnscrip MKII */
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07:06:59 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104583&oldid=104582 * Dtuser1337 * (+202) /* Comparative and Logical Statement */
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07:12:40 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104586&oldid=104585 * Dtuser1337 * (-3) /* Function Commands */
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10:02:36 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104588&oldid=104587 * Dtuser1337 * (+51) /* Function Commands */
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10:09:06 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104591&oldid=104590 * Dtuser1337 * (+78) /* Function Commands */
10:09:59 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104592&oldid=104591 * Dtuser1337 * (-4) /* Function Commands */
10:11:23 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104593&oldid=104592 * Dtuser1337 * (+32) /* Comparative and Logical Statement */
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10:12:29 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104595&oldid=104594 * Dtuser1337 * (+38) /* Comparative and Logical Statement */
10:13:15 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104596&oldid=104595 * Dtuser1337 * (+2) /* Comparative and Logical Statement */
10:15:15 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104597&oldid=104596 * Dtuser1337 * (+1) /* Function Commands */
10:38:36 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104598&oldid=104597 * Dtuser1337 * (-13) /* Replace Commands */
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11:07:05 <esolangs> [[User:Razorlovesbaba/OCaml]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104599 * Razorlovesbaba * (+530) Created page with "oCamel or whatever is (though I've never seen it functioning) ''"functional"'' and facepalm-driven programming language. It is basically a worse version of Haskell (which is already unbearably stupid). Like, come on, literally, '''NO VARIABLES'''
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13:14:19 <esolangs> [[User:Razorlovesbaba/Sandbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104600 * Razorlovesbaba * (+115) Created page with "This is my sandbox page. MediaWiki is weird <div style='background:black;position:absolute;top:0;bottom:0;'></div>"
13:26:04 <esolangs> [[User:Razorlovesbaba/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104601&oldid=104600 * Razorlovesbaba * (+68)
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20:20:13 <esolangs> [[Trumf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104603 * Someone668 * (+370) Created page with "'''Trumf''' is an esoteric programming language by [[User:Someone668|Someone668]]. It only has the commands for a truth machine. == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! Command !! Function |- | [ || Starts the loop |- | ] || Stops the loop |- | $<int>
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00:03:23 <esolangs> [[User talk:McChuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104605 * McChuck * (+351) Created page with "Hello! I'm McChuck. At the moment, I'm primarily interested in [[Subleq]] and [[False]]. I have implemented several variants for these, and probably have more on the way. * [[Falsish]] * [[Trichotomy]] * [[OISC:3]] * [[OISC:2bis]] * [[OISC:2]] ~~~~ [[Categ
00:05:52 <esolangs> [[User talk:McChuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104606&oldid=104605 * McChuck * (+14)
00:06:29 <esolangs> [[User talk:McChuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104607&oldid=104606 * McChuck * (+4)
00:09:57 <esolangs> [[User:McChuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104608 * McChuck * (+116) Created page with "Howdy! I'm McChuck. I found this site through Truttle1's videos. I am particularly interested in Subleq and False."
00:10:18 <esolangs> [[User:McChuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104609&oldid=104608 * McChuck * (+21)
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00:11:43 <esolangs> [[User:McChuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104611&oldid=104610 * McChuck * (+0)
00:11:52 <esolangs> [[User talk:McChuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104612&oldid=104607 * McChuck * (-20)
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02:23:04 <esolangs> [[Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104618&oldid=104433 * ProfNinja * (+90) /* Interpreters */
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15:53:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:MiniBitMove]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104629 * Xwtek * (+480) Created page with "I think this language is actually even less powerful than LBA. More specifically, this program is equivalent to XOR by a constant. Here is the proof # Repeat the input program and take the first n zeroes and all bits before it, where n is the length of the tape #
16:02:27 <esolangs> [[Esonaldo]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104630 * Lux * (+1162) Created page with "'''Esonaldo Pereira''' This is an esolang based on the lyrics of the brazilian singer Ednaldo Pereira. It's currently only interpreted in python. It has the following commands: {| class="wikitable plainpres" ! Esonaldo command !! python equivalent |- | hi respondeu ||
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17:15:48 <esolangs> [[UFSA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104632&oldid=104625 * Kaveh Yousefi * (-682) Removed from the repeating cat program several transitions whose ASCII representations could cause issues.
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20:18:48 <esolangs> [[HQ9+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104634&oldid=103912 * Ohead * (+835) Added my node.js implementation and fixed a spelling mistake
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23:55:12 <zzo38> I cleaned the inside of my computer. It is less noisy now, and the temperature is less, but there is still a clicking noise coming from something in the back of the computer (at least, it seems to be in the back).
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00:53:46 <Ginger> greetings
01:13:24 <fizzie> `welcome
01:13:27 <HackEso> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
01:13:27 <fizzie> Don't get much use out of the welcomes these days.
01:13:55 <Ginger> I have come from Code Golf Stack Exchange to observe this chatroom
01:15:32 <fizzie> It's mostly a feed of edits to the wiki, interspersed with maybe a conversation every couple of days. Uh, spoiler warning, I guess.
01:15:47 <Ginger> I expected no less :p
01:17:45 <int-e> Well, there are logs to peruse
01:18:06 <Ginger> fun
01:18:10 <Ginger> love perusing logs
01:18:13 <int-e> Going way way back into busier times if you feel like browsing
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01:20:53 <fizzie> Speaking of the logs, I guess it might be about time to remove the "recently migrated" note from the root page.
01:21:18 <Ginger> I just came here to look around
01:21:46 <Ginger> does markdown work here? I doubt it
01:24:04 <fizzie> Not unless either your IRC client translates it to "traditional" IRC formatting markup (which uses the control characters in the [1, 31] range) or the recipient's IRC client does something to it.
01:24:15 <Ginger> I thought not
01:24:35 <Ginger> if you ever want to do some code golf we here at CGCC are always looking for more users :b
01:25:42 <fizzie> I think it's relatively common to put some formatting emphasis on *words* and maybe also _words_ though normally the *s and _s are still left visible in place too. That's about as far as it usually goes.
01:25:52 <Ginger> hm
01:25:53 <int-e> fizzie: It could move to the two 2021 pages maybe? Not sure how awkward that would be to hack in.
01:26:01 <fizzie> Maybe "common" is too much said. "Not uncommon", maybe.
01:26:14 <fizzie> Is there even a difference between "common" and "not uncommon"?
01:26:19 <Ginger> yes
01:26:20 <int-e> fizzie: considering that the overlap is exclusive to that year
01:26:29 <Ginger> one is stronger imo
01:26:44 <int-e> I agree, common is stronger
01:26:56 <Ginger> ok, I'm gonna leave now
01:27:41 <Ginger> in case you care for some reason here's CGCC's main chatroom: https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/240/the-nineteenth-byte
01:27:43 <Ginger> bye now
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01:27:54 <int-e> (the difference becomes smaller the more I try to rationalize it though :P)
01:30:03 <int-e> I feel that there's a gap between uncommon and common where neither term would be used; purely logically that makes no sense.
01:32:44 <int-e> I guess there's also a general principle that double negations have a weakening effect.
01:34:09 <fizzie> It wouldn't take much to make a per-year note, but it would take a code change. Right now there's an `announce` field in the config file that's just dropped as-is to all the index pages (that's used for the "we have moved" note on all the Freenode pages), I'd probably just complement it with a [year, note] map as well.
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01:39:14 <int-e> fizzie: The minimal change is probably to replace "We have recently" by "In 2021, we"
02:49:33 <esolangs> [[Smalc]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104636&oldid=103942 * Joe * (+1)
03:31:08 <esolangs> [[Smalc]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104637&oldid=104636 * Joe * (+182)
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07:33:43 <esolangs> [[Talk:Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104640&oldid=104553 * McChuck * (+121) /* Turing completeness */
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08:36:34 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104643&oldid=104642 * McChuck * (+55) /* Stack */
08:48:44 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104644&oldid=104643 * McChuck * (+84) /* Lambda and Flow control */
08:49:17 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104645&oldid=104644 * McChuck * (+2) /* Lambda and Flow control */
08:49:59 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104646&oldid=104645 * McChuck * (+2) /* Lambda and Flow control */
08:56:46 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104647&oldid=104646 * McChuck * (+88) /* Lambda and Flow control */
08:57:46 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104648&oldid=104647 * McChuck * (+39) /* Falsish: a FALSE variant inspired by fish > */
08:59:34 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104649&oldid=104648 * McChuck * (+112) /* Falsish: a FALSE variant inspired by fish > */
09:01:03 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104650&oldid=104649 * McChuck * (+36) /* Falsish: a FALSE variant inspired by fish > */
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09:07:05 <wib_jonas> int-e: I don't think there's a gap between common and uncommon, rather they even overlap. The golden age of Magic was around the three-set block structure, when the third set was drafted for a much shorter time and less multiplicity than the first and second set, so commons from the third sets are in fact less frequent than uncommons from the first
09:07:05 <wib_jonas> and second set.
09:11:18 <wib_jonas> "a per-year note" => hmm. once per year, the First Regular of the community would give a keynote address speech, at a podium with multiple microphones from different television channels. There'd be a screaming crowd in front of them and a two meter tall drapery with a logo hung behind them. Two other regulars would stand on their sides in clothing
09:11:19 <wib_jonas> just as formal as the First Regular's, to show that he's not speaking alone but as a representative of the esolangs community.
09:11:57 <wib_jonas> Or maybe it would be the general secretary rather than the First Regular.
09:13:58 <shachaf> If I have an instruction to multiply in GF(2^n) with one reduction polynomial, and I want to use a different polynomial, how much does it help?
09:15:05 <shachaf> I can probably do a change-of-basis thing back and forth and maybe come out ahead, but can I do anything better?
09:15:33 <shachaf> For example does multiplication by a constant in one thing translate to a multiplication by a different constant in the other thing?
09:15:59 <wib_jonas> shachaf: I think if you had an instruction to multiple GF(2^(2n)) with any reduction polynomial, you could use that to carryless multiply two n-bit words, and use that plus three shifts and three xors to do a GF(2^n) multiplication.
09:17:11 <shachaf> Hmm, I think x86 has carryless multiplication directly.
09:17:35 <shachaf> But what do you mean about the three shifts and three xors?
09:22:41 <wib_jonas> shachaf: the three shifts and three xors are to handle the carries, assuming the reduction polynomial has three nonzero coeffs
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09:24:56 <wib_jonas> if you have only GF(2^n) multiply then I think you need like four of those carryless multiplies plus a lot of extra operations to get a n-bit carryless multiply, at which point it's probably not worth for n=8 (I think all three Intel instructions work with n=8)
09:27:00 <wib_jonas> on the plus side, the x86 instruction PCLMULQDQ carryless-multiplies two 32-bit inputs to a 64-bit output, so that's probably better to use than the wrong GF(2^8) multiplication
09:27:46 <wib_jonas> but I don't know how many CPUs actually have each of the instructions natively
09:30:45 <shachaf> Well, if you have an isomorphism F, and you want to compute [A B C D] * [w x y z], you can compute F^-1(F([A B C D]) * F([w x y z])), right?
09:31:06 <shachaf> If the capital letters are constants, that's only two operations to move back and forth.
09:31:22 <shachaf> And I think you can compute the isomorphism with GF2P8AFFINEQB
09:34:33 <wib_jonas> shachaf: but do you often multiply with constants, other than for CRC?
09:37:44 <shachaf> You often do for RS encoding.
09:38:44 <shachaf> I mean Reed-Solomon.
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10:10:01 <wib_jonas> ah, that makes sense
10:11:54 <wib_jonas> I don't quite understand how this conversion works. Is this like radix conversion, where there are ways to convert numbers from one radix to another by doing multiplication in either radix at your choice, only here you get the choice to do calculations in the representation of your choice?
10:13:02 <wib_jonas> wait a moment
10:13:04 <wib_jonas> does that even work?
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10:15:55 <wib_jonas> I mean F is an isomorphism but it's not an automorphism, it changes representation between two different fields
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10:17:41 <wib_jonas> I don't see hwo this "two operations" thing makes sense
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12:22:39 <int-e> wib_jonas: you had me interested right until "The golden age of Magic"
12:24:40 <wib_jonas> well you have to consider only golden age, rather than point to every nonsense that they did later
12:27:56 <int-e> jargon often plays fast and loose with natural language semantics, leading to absurdities like most lambda terms not being normal
12:30:02 <int-e> Or the idea that Googol is a natural number.
12:31:46 <wib_jonas> that's because "normal" stands for "normalized" there, as opposed to some full measure set
12:32:04 <int-e> ...
12:32:21 <wib_jonas> "Googol is a natural number" => that's very true, it's a reasonable approximation for how large our universe is in volume
12:32:39 <wib_jonas> so it's a number you naturally consider
12:32:42 <int-e> ?
12:33:18 <int-e> first, that's a matter of units, secondly, that volume will not be modelled as a natural number.
12:33:25 <wib_jonas> I mean the linear size of the universe, as in the longest thing you'll consider divided by the smallest thing you consider is 2**100, so if you take the cube of that you get 10**90. 10**100 is close enough to that.
12:33:37 <wib_jonas> so it's a number that does come up in reasonable calculations.
12:34:35 <int-e> and finally, the mathematical "natural" numbers are not approximations.
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13:25:59 <esolangs> [[CTFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104651&oldid=104521 * Pro465 * (-28) /* Turing Completeness */
13:26:49 <esolangs> [[CTFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104652&oldid=104651 * Pro465 * (+3) /* Cat */
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17:52:03 <breck> is there a language like whitespace but instead of whitespace just semicolons?
17:52:27 <breck> forgot to add URGENT (im blocked on a funny tweet idea)
17:54:31 <breck> NM
17:55:01 <breck> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Semicolon. amazing how a good URL structure eliminates the need for a search engine
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18:48:54 <imode> what're some compact ways of storing strings in a dyck language? just unlabeled trees.
18:50:47 <int-e> rooted? ordered? binary?
18:51:50 <imode> I guess technically rooted?
18:52:12 <imode> ()()() has 3 nodes that need a root somewhere, so it'd be implicit.
18:52:59 <int-e> the unambiguous grammar D ::= epsilon | ( D ) D makes those rooted, ordered, binary trees.
18:53:52 <imode> yeah, I'm just wondering if there's an alternative encoding method that saves on that space.
18:54:24 <imode> apart from a form of RLE.
18:55:07 <sprout> nice idea, a one-character language
18:55:07 <imode> thought of storing the transition points as a "heightmap" but recovering the tree from that seems complicated.
18:55:16 <int-e> you enumerate some 256 trees and then use a linked list of that (with nil = epsilon)?
18:55:50 <imode> sounds a little like hash consing.
18:55:56 <int-e> With that grammar, the list is actually pretty: [a,b,c] = (a)(b)(c)
18:56:32 <int-e> <[]> = epsilon, <a:as> = (<a>)<as>
18:56:50 <imode> right. I'm just searching for a shorter encoding. there aren't any symbols, it's just ( and ).
18:56:56 <int-e> ...
18:57:02 <int-e> so you asked the wrong question?
18:57:14 <int-e> you want to encode dyck words as srings?
18:57:17 <int-e> +t
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18:58:34 <imode> let me rephrase: I can encode unlabeled rooted trees as words from a dyck language. I'm wondering if there's a compact way of storing those words rather than the full bracketed representation or that representation + RLE.
18:58:58 <imode> or representing the brackets as bits.
18:59:13 <int-e> representing brackets as bits is pretty good
18:59:50 <imode> I was thinking of representing the words as a 'heightmap', where we'd only need to store the heights of the various 'peaks' (transition points).
19:00:21 <imode> and then RLE on top of that.
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19:02:50 <int-e> there are ~ 4^n/(sqrt(pi)n^(3/2)) Dyck words of length 2n, so that's 4n bits to represnt 2^(4n - 3/2 log_2(n) + O(1)) possibilities
19:02:57 <int-e> It's really quite efficient.
19:03:02 <imode> so the string (((()))()()(()))() would have a heightmap of 4 2 2 3 1.
19:03:03 <int-e> err
19:03:07 <int-e> s/4n/2n/g
19:04:07 <int-e> (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_number)
19:04:09 <imode> hm.
19:06:02 <imode> that heightmap encoding, assuming you use unary, saves on a single bit.
19:06:27 <int-e> right, but you can leave off the final ) from any non-empty Dyck word.
19:06:52 <imode> ah, because you're assuming it'll be terminated/matched.
19:07:01 <int-e> I'm just assuming that you're not interested in miniscule savings.
19:07:14 <imode> no, just interested whether they translate into macro-scale savings.
19:07:31 <imode> gonna be working with some large strings.
19:07:34 <int-e> you can also *pad* a Dyck word with extra )s, so storing bits in bytes is not an issue even if you can't store a bit length.
19:09:00 <imode> there is some savings if you use bytes for your heights if your strings are large, I'd think. (((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))) gets shrunk down to 8 bits.
19:09:07 <imode> vs. 32.
19:09:42 <int-e> So I think if you sample binary trees with n leafs uniformly, Dyck words are kind of the gold standard (you /can/ save those O(log(n)) bits but it'll probably cost you in decodability.
19:10:03 <int-e> If your trees have *structure*, you have the usual data compression opportunities.
19:10:11 <imode> they can be arbitrary, unfortunately.
19:10:44 <int-e> (we routinely compress binary data after all; this isn't so much different)
19:11:05 <int-e> well, at a high level.
19:11:30 <int-e> Data compression *algorithms* tend to work on strings.
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19:22:28 <b_jonas> it's not that hard to compress them perfectly, as in figure out the index of any rooted unlabeled tree on n nodes among all those trees in some canonical order. you can definitely do it in O(n**(2+epsilon)) time, very likely in O(n**(1+epsilon)) time too. you just need to add numbers from one of these fancy matrices that you can compute with a recursion, or two of those matrices.
19:22:38 <b_jonas> sort of like how you can encode a permutation
19:23:16 <b_jonas> you can probably get a fast enough approximate solution in O(n**(1+epsilon)) at least
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20:21:39 <imode> well, I did a brute force thing. unary heightmaps win out against the binary representation a significant amount of time.
20:22:14 <imode> considering you're discarding like, at least half the bits.
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22:25:38 <b_jonas> fungot, please summarize Darth Vader's move AI and how best to manipulate to avoid him
22:25:38 <fungot> b_jonas: not really. he's far north, and 41 degrees, 3 minutes east!!! i hefe-a un essoomeble mortgege!!!
22:25:49 <b_jonas> that doesn't help
22:26:39 <int-e> 41 degrees isn't far north
22:29:24 <fizzie> No, it was far north and 41 degrees east.
22:32:00 <int-e> ah
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01:24:07 <int-e> Bonfire Peaks has a free demo on steam... been playing it. As far as I can make out, it has 28 levels, one of which is impossible ;-) (well, I haven't solved it yet)
01:29:42 <shachaf> Hmm, I haven't played it since I got back home, but I think I had 28 solved levels.
01:30:22 <shachaf> I didn't really get stuck, though, I don't think I even looked at all the reachable levels.
01:30:36 <shachaf> Which one is impossible?
01:30:43 <shachaf> I think I'd just gotten to the water area.
01:32:32 <int-e> Crate Expectations, https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/ce.jpg ...I suppose I'll figure it out eventually.
01:34:27 <int-e> does the full game do anything interesting with the decorations, like the car fairly early on?
01:50:46 <shachaf> I'm not sure, I don't think I've done much more than you!
01:52:27 <int-e> the water
01:52:39 <int-e> oops. the demo ends at a bridge near a waterfall
01:53:33 <int-e> and probably misses some harder to reach areas before that. (I've identified one overworld puzzle but it just leads to some suspiciously empty blocks)
01:55:13 <int-e> empty blocks... and area, cf. https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/space.jpg
02:18:56 <int-e> Okay, I figured it out... easy in retrospect.
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20:36:25 <b_jonas> `olist 1270
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20:36:44 <int-e> `unlist
20:36:44 <HackEso> unlist? No such file or directory
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23:29:22 <shachaf> Huh, wait a minute. You can do n+p linear codes where n+p is bigger than the number of points in your field?
23:32:17 <int-e> BCH codes over GF(2^m) are linear codes over GF(2)
23:33:05 <int-e> or is that wrong?
23:33:16 <int-e> nah, that's right
23:33:34 <shachaf> Hmm, so there's certainly an upper bound to the number of parity shards you can generate, right?
23:33:51 <shachaf> If you have a systematic code and your shards are one bit each, then you can only generate one parity shard.
23:34:02 <int-e> also, replication is a linear code
23:34:44 <shachaf> That's true. I guess I mean if you have more than one data shard.
23:35:01 <shachaf> There's no n+2 code (linear or otherwise) where your shards are single bits.
23:36:06 <int-e> heck, padding with 0s is a linear code.
23:36:17 <int-e> it won't do you any good for error detection or correction
23:36:41 <shachaf> Yes, I mean an erasure code where any subset of n shards will let you recover the data.
23:38:23 <shachaf> But I'm still confused.
23:38:47 <shachaf> Maybe because I was thinking in terms of fitting a polynomial?
23:39:12 <int-e> So, we're talking about nk + 2k, k being the shard size? And we're asking how big k has to be?
23:39:18 <shachaf> I have a linear 3+3 erasure code over GF(4), i.e. a 6x3 matrix where every subset of 3 rows is invertible.
23:40:07 <int-e> For a BCH code you clearly need 2^k >= n+2 here.
23:40:10 <shachaf> (And where the first 3 rows are the identity matrix, i.e. it's systematic.)
23:41:13 <int-e> Hmm, never mind the identity matrix for now.
23:41:24 <shachaf> Right, that bit isn't critical.
23:41:47 <shachaf> The point is that any choice of 3 rows is linearly independent.
23:47:50 <int-e> So divorcing this from the field... we can replace the field elements by kxk matrices? So encoding becomes multiplication by a matrix with nx(n+2) block of size kxk?
23:49:17 <int-e> Not sure whether that view is any help at all.
23:54:01 <int-e> Oh, however... the existence of an 1+2 code (trivial as that may be) shows that BCH codes do not tell the full story.
23:55:54 <shachaf> Do BCH codes give you an n+1 code for any n?
23:56:33 <int-e> They don't do that either.
23:57:13 <shachaf> Right.
23:59:00 <int-e> I guess "nk + 2k" is bad notation for denoting sharding... maybe a better notation would be (n + 2)k. The point is... we're picking subsets from whole shards.
23:59:07 <int-e> s/from/of/
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00:01:29 <shachaf> What are n and k here?
00:01:54 <int-e> n and 2 are numbers of shards; k is the shard size
00:02:23 <int-e> So in the case of BCH codes you'd have an n+2 code over GF(2^k), but I'm trying to think over GF(2) here.
00:02:45 <b_jonas> no idea. hey, I passed an exam about codes but that was under the algebra dept, they teach the hardest stuff in all subjects but don't actually require you to know anything in exams. so I don't know anything about how codes work.
00:03:15 <b_jonas> at most I know some of the more trivial information theoretical limits
00:04:00 <shachaf> Did you know the Singleton bound is named after Richard Singleton?
00:05:26 <shachaf> Ah, I see, this is all in bits.
00:15:56 <int-e> shachaf: I think this matrix http://paste.debian.net/1260517/ makes a (3+2)2 code in that sense. Note that 3+2 > 2^2
00:16:44 <int-e> (. is 0, and the spaces are for legibility; they separate the 2x2 blocks)
00:20:49 <shachaf> Hmm, I guess this corresponds to the matrix I had in GF(4).
00:21:06 <shachaf> I think you can even add one more column with three 2x2 identity matrices.
00:24:25 <shachaf> Oh, I thought these matrices correspond to GF(4) field elements, but maybe not!
00:25:11 <int-e> yeah these ones don't, they all have order 2
00:25:18 <int-e> (or 1)
00:27:16 <shachaf> Right.
00:27:35 <shachaf> I guess this sort of flexibility is why you wanted to scrap fields and be linear over GF(2).
00:27:57 <shachaf> Where the point is that you still only care about whole-shard erasures.
00:32:25 <int-e> anyway, this is totally unsystematic... BCH codes are a nice, general construction.
00:34:25 <shachaf> Well, your matrix is systematic, right?
00:35:18 <int-e> shachaf: In the "systematic code" sense, yes. But not in the sense of a construction leading up to the full matrix.
00:35:54 <shachaf> Oh, right, I was wondering.
00:35:55 <int-e> And the former is mainly because I started with an identity matrix *without loss of gnerality*, and the same thing for the identity matrix blocks at the top of the 4th and 5th column.
00:36:26 <int-e> so basically there were only 4 blocks left to choose.
00:36:35 <shachaf> You can even have the entire first column be all identities, right?
00:36:43 <shachaf> Since you can multiply rows or columns by any constant.
00:37:07 <shachaf> (Multiplying a row by something messes up the identity matrix, but then you can multiply that column by the inverse to unmess it.)
00:37:18 <int-e> I lose that freedom when I make the code systematic
00:37:20 <shachaf> Sorry, I mean 4th column.
00:37:36 <int-e> I think
00:37:46 <int-e> maybe that's wrong though, hmm.
00:37:50 <shachaf> Hmm, I think you don't because of the argument in the parentheses.
00:38:13 <shachaf> You multiply a row by something and then multiply one of the identity matrix columns by its inverse.
00:39:35 <int-e> It'd require some sort of conjugation-esque trickery. After making the code systematic I only considered multiplications by an invertible matrix from the right.
00:40:25 <shachaf> Hmm, also I'm still thinking of the field case here, and I guess these things aren't a field, so I might be confused.
00:41:11 <int-e> But you're right.
00:42:44 <int-e> I can multiply each row to get an identity matrix into the corresponding block of the 4-th column. And then I can multiply the first three *columns* to restore the identity matrices there.
00:43:07 <shachaf> Right.
00:44:21 <int-e> And then then I guess this degenerates into something over GF(4) indeed.
00:44:30 <int-e> (it does)
00:45:15 <shachaf> But these small matrices you use have order 2, not 3?
00:46:25 <int-e> But if we do the above to make the fourth column all 1s, we get [1,1;0,1]*[1,0;1,1] and its inverse in the last column, which has order 3.
00:47:05 <shachaf> Oh, I see.
00:48:15 <shachaf> So I looked for GF(4) codes by brute force.
00:48:45 <shachaf> Of course there are 1+p and n+1 codes for any n/p. And there are n+p codes for any n/p where n+p <= 4.
00:49:11 <shachaf> But there are also 2+3, 3+2, and 3+3 codes.
00:49:59 <shachaf> There are no 3+4, 2+4, or 4+2 codes.
00:51:53 <int-e> And,.. that's actually forced to make a 5th column; there are simply not enough invertible 2x2 matrices.
00:54:35 <int-e> There are still two choices left, so this doesn't contradict your 3+3 code claim... in fact that does work out.
00:56:02 <shachaf> My 3+3 code is [[1 0 0] [0 1 0] [0 0 1] [1 1 1] [1 2 3] [1 3 2]]
00:56:03 <int-e> looks like this http://paste.debian.net/1260520/ (no surprises)
00:56:14 <shachaf> Yep.
00:57:49 <int-e> And yeah, there are no 3+4 nor 4+2 codes with 2 bit shards.
00:58:16 <shachaf> So why is 3+3 the limit?
00:58:32 <shachaf> And what's the limit for k-bit shards?
00:59:21 <int-e> Let me think about 2+4. I'm not going to consider shards wider than 2 manually.
01:03:14 <shachaf> (Hmm, if you have an n+p code can you turn that into a p+n code by transposing?)
01:03:56 <int-e> Ah, the same thing happens... after all the w.l.o.g. reductions we're forced into GF(4).
01:04:32 <int-e> So indeed, no 2+4 code with 2 bit shards.
01:05:16 <int-e> transposing isn't meaningful here
01:05:58 <int-e> The matrix has dimension (n+p)xn after all.
01:06:00 <shachaf> I guess I mean transposing the nxp part and using it with a pxp identity matrix.
01:06:08 <shachaf> (For a systematic code.)
01:06:13 <shachaf> Maybe not.
01:06:24 <int-e> even then you'd need n=p for things to fit together
01:06:43 <int-e> so at best you'd turn an n+n code into another n+n code
01:07:13 <shachaf> Why?
01:07:31 <int-e> oh you mean you adjust the identity matrix
01:07:38 <int-e> hmm
01:08:49 <int-e> well, it *feels* like something that shouldn't work but I can't rule it out.
01:09:58 <int-e> It does work.
01:11:38 <shachaf> Oh, really?
01:12:32 <int-e> You can rephrase the criterion for the parity matrix as "every kxk block for k <= p is invertible"
01:13:14 <int-e> (you select columns directly, and rows by picking the remaining rows as columns from the direct-mapping identity matrix part)
01:13:33 <int-e> and this rephrased version is obviously preserved by transposition
01:14:07 <int-e> k <= max(n,p) I suppose
01:14:10 <int-e> err min
01:19:10 <int-e> something like this: http://paste.debian.net/1260521/
01:20:43 <shachaf> I'm not sure I follow the arrows.
01:20:58 <int-e> start at the top, those are the shards you pick
01:21:27 <int-e> the stars mark a 2x2 block that has to be invertible for this to work out.
01:23:35 <int-e> The horizontal arrows... well, basically you can use column operations to make those row all zero there.
01:24:06 <shachaf> Hmm, I see.
01:24:14 <shachaf> Interesting, so the 1+p and n+1 cases are dual.
01:24:27 <int-e> yeah
01:25:21 <int-e> I think I actually *learned* this back at university. But I didn't understand why and we never used it and I forgot.
01:26:10 <int-e> (our information and coding theory course was light on proofs)
01:27:34 <shachaf> Man, I never took an information and coding theory course. I probably should.
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16:53:49 <razorlovesbees> sorry
17:07:50 <int-e> It's okay... the most important part of the topic is the link to the logs because that's mandated by Libera. And you fixed it.
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19:37:10 <nesuniken[m]> Hello!
19:37:48 <int-e> `relcome
19:37:52 <HackEso> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
19:57:10 <nesuniken[m]> Does anyone know of any languages with reverse lexical scope (i.e if scope A is defined within scope B, B can access variables defined in A, but not the other way around)?
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20:02:37 <b_jonas> nesuniken[m]: that happens in C++ with namespaces
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20:03:48 <b_jonas> no wait, sorry
20:03:50 <b_jonas> it doesn't
20:03:57 <b_jonas> it only happens with unnamed namespaces
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20:13:47 <nesuniken[m]> Oh wow, didn't realize naming a namespace was optional. Thanks!
20:14:14 <razorlovesbees> hmm people chat here
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20:37:38 <int-e> I guess that thought was too scary
20:52:28 <nesuniken[m]> <b_jonas> "it only happens with unnamed..." <- Perhaps this is just a VC++ issue, but nesting them isn't working like I described
21:07:24 <nesuniken[m]> I was hoping for a reverse lexical scope you could nest repeatedly like you can with the regular kind.
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02:05:25 <shachaf> Here's a sort of surprising thing: I generated GF(256) N+P codes using three methods -- Vandermonde, Cauchy, and Lagrange -- and normalized them to be systematic and to have each row and column of the non-systematic part start with 1s.
02:05:32 <shachaf> And they all generate the exact same codes! How come?
02:14:56 <b_jonas> maybe there was only one code wearing different costumes?
02:18:08 <int-e> What's the Cauchy way?
02:18:52 <int-e> The Vandermonde and Lagrange way are the same if you map the field elements to the same columns.
02:19:37 <int-e> since the "normalization" step transforms the Vandermonde matrix such that the first n points are interpolated by a polynomial instead.
02:19:52 <int-e> which is what Lagrange does as well.
02:20:17 <int-e> if you permute the field elements, things should be more interesting
02:20:55 <int-e> > let f n = product [2^n - 2^k | k <- [0..n-1]] in map f [1..4]
02:20:57 <lambdabot> [1,6,168,20160]
02:21:28 <int-e> > let f n = product [2^n - 2^k | k <- [0..n-1]] in map f [5..]
02:21:29 <lambdabot> [9999360,20158709760,163849992929280,5348063769211699200,6996123100331976425...
02:23:04 <int-e> shachaf: If you make a Vandermonde matrix out of the 127 non-zero elements of GF(2^7), is there a square minor with zero determinant?
02:24:12 <int-e> (the 2x2 minors are fine)
02:25:39 <Sgeo> Is Prismata dead?
02:26:48 <int-e> who?
02:27:23 <Sgeo> Digital card game shachaf has repeatedly tried to get a match with me against, after I lost repeatedly.
02:28:08 <int-e> Yeah I found it. Letting a web site certificate expire isn't a good time... espcially when that happened 15 months ago.
02:29:19 <int-e> (Sorry, I have a habit of expressing my ignorance while simultaneously engaging a search engine.)
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02:30:00 <int-e> (Which is probably annoying, but I can't promise that that's enough to shake it.)
02:41:57 <int-e> https://steamcommunity.com/app/490220?snr=1_2108_9__2107#scrollTop=3840 indicates that this is /may/ be a bit of a Corona victim; they were preparing for GDC 2020 and that got cancelled. And they don't have much of an income stream.
02:43:21 <int-e> doesn't look great :P
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03:36:42 <shachaf> int-e: The Cauchy way just makes m[row][col] = 1/(row^col)
03:36:53 <shachaf> (For col in [0,N), row in [N, N+P).)
03:37:54 <shachaf> int-e: I think the answer is no even with all 128 elements.
03:38:59 <int-e> shachaf: with 128 elements you get minors of the form [0,alpha^1;0,alpha^2]
03:39:35 <int-e> actually why didn't I take alpha=1... [0,1;0,1]
03:39:48 <shachaf> Oh, hmm.
03:40:07 <shachaf> That's a good point. But I think this matrix does give you a valid code.
03:41:35 <int-e> Yeah but that wasn't where the question is going. Is it still a valid code if you prepend the identity matrix?
03:48:40 <int-e> shachaf: what happens for row in [0,N)? is it the identity matrix there?
03:54:04 <shachaf> Yes, sorry.
03:54:55 <shachaf> Oh, adding an identity matrix to a Vandermonde matrix can certainly produce an invalid code.
03:55:38 <int-e> sure, it definitely wouldn't work for GF(16) or GF(256)
03:55:53 <int-e> But 127 is prime, so it's less obvious.
03:56:00 <shachaf> Oh, I see.
03:56:54 <int-e> I /expect/ it to still not work. But it'll require a 3x3 minor or larger.
03:57:15 <int-e> Anyway, I don't understand why the Cauchy thing gives you the same code.
03:57:40 <int-e> Nor why there's an inverse in there.
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04:06:19 <shachaf> https://www.corsix.org/content/reed-solomon-for-software-raid discusses these constructions a bit.
04:07:11 <int-e> does it prove that the Cauchy thing works?
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04:11:52 <shachaf> It links to https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Vandermonde_Matrix_Identity_for_Cauchy_Matrix
04:12:04 <int-e> Oh I'm just stupid here actually.
04:13:50 <int-e> We start with the Vandermonde matrix 1/(row^col), and then we use *column* operations to make an identity matrix out of the leftmost n columns.
04:14:18 <int-e> Hmm.
04:15:14 <shachaf> Hmm, which operations are you allowed to do here?
04:15:15 <int-e> Actually, no, column operations can destroy a code.
04:15:24 <shachaf> Right.
04:15:36 <int-e> Row operations can't.
04:15:41 <shachaf> Also you have your rows and columns backwards from the way I've been writing things so it's all very confusing.
04:15:49 <shachaf> (I have N+P rows and N columns.)
04:16:17 <int-e> Oh right. Well, the confusion is mutual.
04:16:38 <int-e> ...
04:16:42 <int-e> The ^ is xor?
04:17:00 <int-e> Okay this is completely different from what I thought.
04:17:01 <shachaf> Yes. Sorry, maybe that was unclear.
04:17:17 <shachaf> I'm not sure what ^ would be in a field here. I guess col could be seen as an integer.
04:17:50 <shachaf> Apologies for the confusion.
04:17:57 <shachaf> This is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy_matrix
04:18:11 <int-e> shachaf: well you *also* identified natural numbers and field elements
04:18:43 <shachaf> Right, I realized that.
04:19:01 <shachaf> I guess I thought ^ would clear it up but it made it worse.
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04:20:58 <int-e> So I guess that page shows that you get the Cauchy matrix from V_y with *row* operations and the one valid column operation, which is multiplying a column by a constant.
04:21:24 <int-e> and again, for you that will be *column* and row.
04:21:50 <int-e> shachaf: I prefer my matrices to be wider than high.
04:21:57 <shachaf> The one valid column operation here is scaling by a constant?
04:22:09 <shachaf> Oops.
04:22:13 <int-e> shachaf: well, in the sense that it can't destroy the code
04:22:18 <shachaf> You literally said that right after the comma.
04:22:25 <int-e> since it doesn't mix any code data.
04:22:59 <int-e> so you can reverse it even after erasure happened.
04:24:07 <shachaf> Right. I just typed that before reading the rest of your sentence.
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04:26:14 <int-e> Okay, and we can also compute -PV_x^{-1}V_x = -P and multiply by P^-1 from the right to get the identity matrix part.
04:27:28 <int-e> So we do have a transformation of V_x | V_y. And finally, V_y doesn't have to be square.
04:27:57 <shachaf> The program I'm experimenting with these things with is at /tmp/rs.c if that's helpful.
04:28:37 <int-e> `` ls /tmp/rs.c
04:28:39 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/tmp/rs.c': No such file or directory
04:28:42 <int-e> :P
04:28:55 <shachaf> On my website, which I'm not quoting as a full URL because I don't want Google to start crawling it.
04:31:28 <int-e> So... there's still a puzzle here though. Why does multiplying a shachaf-row by a constant nmot change the code? Or is that something that gets normalized away... ah. It does.
04:32:03 <int-e> Or it is, rather.
04:32:29 <int-e> Since that's how you make your rows start with 1.
04:41:36 <shachaf> Multiplying a shachaf-row by a constant is fine because you can just divide by the same constant when you get the code, right?
04:41:55 <int-e> Yes but the code words are different
04:43:19 <shachaf> I mean when you get a code word. But maybe I misunderstood.
04:44:27 <int-e> You get /a/ working code but it's a different one unless you multiply and divide by 1.
04:45:02 <int-e> While shachaf-column operations don't affect the set of code words at all.
04:46:58 <int-e> But you did lay out your normalization procedure earlier and it does scale shachaf-rows. So yeah, after doing that, the Cauchy construction will end up the same as the other two.
04:48:20 <zzo38> You mentioned a card game, but can we make up our own card game, involving some of the things involved in esolangs too?
04:48:36 <shachaf> I'm still not sure why the Vandermonde and Lagrange constructions end up giving the same thing.
04:52:07 <int-e> They're the same?
04:53:12 <shachaf> What do you mean?
04:53:37 <int-e> The inverse of the top square of the Vandermonde matrix does polynomial interpolation.
04:53:45 <int-e> Lagrange does polynomial interpolation.
04:54:03 <shachaf> Why does the inverse do polynomial interpolation?
04:54:05 <int-e> It's quite literally the same thing as taking the Vandermonde matrix and turning it into a systematic code.
04:54:43 <int-e> Because polynomial interpolation for fixed coordinates x_1...x_n is the inverse of polynomial evaluation at those points.
04:55:03 <int-e> And Vandermonde matrices do polynomial evaluation.
04:55:05 <shachaf> Hmm, oh, I see.
04:55:34 <shachaf> Right, now that you put it that way it makes sense!
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05:01:49 <int-e> Okay. I think I kind of get the Cauchy matrix thing... let's see whether I get the proofwiki proof as well now.
05:07:06 <int-e> Yeah... it works out. I /think/ doing it just for a single column of C makes it a tiny bit easier, though then you need notation for the non-square Vandermonde matrix that replaces V_y.
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05:18:14 <int-e> Hmm. I'm getting the feeling that working over Galois fields is optimal for this kind of thing (i.e. I'm not seeing any benefit from using arbitrary kxk matrices rather than working in GF(2^k). But I can only try very small k, up to about 4.
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07:23:05 <shachaf> int-e: https://web.eecs.utk.edu/~jplank/plank/papers/CS-05-569.pdf may be relevant.
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09:35:04 <b_jonas> I just realized something. freenode/#esoteric was called an international hub way before github was cool. The first mention seems to be by GregorR: https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2005-10.html#lfU
09:37:12 <b_jonas> we should have trademarked "hub", we'd be rich by now
09:37:41 <b_jonas> that, or we'd have changed history and github would have chosen a different name
09:39:24 <b_jonas> we should have trademarked hub in some small European country where they don't look before choosing the name
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11:27:53 <Guest59> Hi
11:29:44 <wib_jonas> I wonder if we could do something alliterating like "esoteric coding center and error-correcting code"
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11:30:40 <Laclale> Admin? Hello?
11:31:21 <Laclale> Unable to log-in from other device
11:33:02 <wib_jonas> Laclale: what error do you get, and also read https://libera.chat/guides/sasl#sasl-access-only-ip-ranges or other https://libera.chat/guides/faq
11:33:48 <Laclale> Forgot password for esolangs wiki
11:34:43 <wib_jonas> Laclale: well then just register a new account with a new password, unless you had privilages on the old account
11:35:10 <Laclale> > You must log in again to verify that you are Laclale.
11:35:11 <Laclale> I have privilages
11:35:12 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:14: error: parse error on input ‘in’
11:35:23 <wib_jonas> though you may try https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:PasswordReset first
11:35:45 <Laclale> Tried to add e-mail but not working
11:35:54 <wib_jonas> for what user account? also make sure your http client accepts cookies
11:36:26 <Laclale> for Laclale in esolangs wiki
11:37:19 <wib_jonas> then no you don't, so if the password reset doesn't work then create a new account
11:37:40 <Laclale> Can you rename current account
11:41:29 <Laclale> fizzie help
11:45:05 <fizzie> There were some problems in the past with wiki emails, but hopefully not at the moment. So if you still have access to the original account, setting & confirming an email address on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Preferences and then going through https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:PasswordReset *should* work, in theory.
11:46:00 <Laclale> Needs to login again
11:46:48 <Laclale> Can you add email remotely or change name?
11:49:42 <wib_jonas> wait, mediawiki allows you to change your email and then request a password change without knowing your password?
11:50:16 <fizzie> Maybe it doesn't, based on the answer above.
11:50:52 <fizzie> Can you edit pages with your account? If you email me some kind of a token (just some random string) and then after that update your user page to contain that same token, I can probably figure out a way to send you a password reset email.
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11:52:51 <esolangs> [[User:Laclale]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104688&oldid=92820 * Laclale * (+17)
11:53:54 <fizzie> In retrospect I guess you could've just used https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Fizzie to tell me where you want your new password to be sent, because it puts the logged-in user's name in the message.
11:54:23 <esolangs> [[User:Laclale]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104689&oldid=104688 * Laclale * (+22)
11:55:02 <Laclale> No send address.
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11:57:10 <Guest59> Yo
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12:11:17 <wib_jonas> Lacale: if you still have a login cookie then just download your watchlist https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:EditWatchlist/raw which is probably the only non-public information you have on the current account, then create a new account and load the old watchlist (plus watch your new user page) and then just use the new account instead of the old
12:11:18 <wib_jonas> one
12:22:24 <fizzie> I made an executive decision to manually reset their password given proof of being currently logged in (by editing as the account).
12:22:32 <fizzie> I guess it's technically possible that was a case of cookie theft + social engineering to be able to lock the original user out of their account, I just feel like doing that for an esolangs.org wiki account sounds not terribly likely.
12:25:12 <sprout> yessss
12:32:07 <wib_jonas> doesn't need cookie theft, only social engineering to make them edit a token into their user page without context to prove something else than what you think it proves
12:32:25 <wib_jonas> I mean to make the original owner of the wiki user to do that
12:37:30 <wib_jonas> that is, an active MITM both ways social engineering attack
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13:42:32 <esolangs> [[THROBOL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104694&oldid=104686 * BoundedBeans * (+296) Clarified Additional command guidelines
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15:34:01 <razorlovesbaba> hm
15:34:13 <razorlovesbaba> hello from thunderbird
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04:28:49 <esolangs> [[Chessoteric]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104698 * Largejamie * (+2573) Created page with "'''Chessoteric''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Largejamie]] in 2022 whose programs are written in proper [[Wikipedia:Portable Game Notation|]]. The programs simulate a chess game and based on the position of the pieces at certain key
04:30:14 <esolangs> [[Chessoteric]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104699&oldid=104698 * Largejamie * (+768)
04:31:01 <esolangs> [[Binary Turing Machine!?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104700&oldid=103126 * Largejamie * (-7)
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09:36:08 <esolangs> [[User:UndoneStudios]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104709 * UndoneStudios * (+196) Created page with "Hi! I'm UndoneStudios! I created ACCUMULATOR, which solves the problem of the uselessness of the accumulator in HQ9+ and its variants. I'm active on the same username at codegolf.stackexchange.com"
09:39:03 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104710&oldid=104708 * UndoneStudios * (+93) /* Introductions */
09:48:33 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104711&oldid=104598 * Dtuser1337 * (-12746) Replaced content with "'''MiniFlinnStack''' is a language Created by [[User:Dtuser1337]]"
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10:51:46 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Skyhigh173 * New user account
10:54:52 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104712&oldid=104710 * Skyhigh173 * (+113) /* Introductions */
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11:37:55 <esolangs> [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104717&oldid=87115 * Dtuser1337 * (-4) /* Function Commands */ <code>ifcontain(){};</code> clarification.
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11:54:53 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104719&oldid=104718 * Dtuser1337 * (+793) /* Implementation Dependent Commands */
11:56:13 <esolangs> [[Script Assembly Code]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104720 * Skyhigh173 * (+2498) /* Create esolang SAC v1.0.0 */
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12:00:20 <esolangs> [[Script Assembly Code]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104722&oldid=104720 * Skyhigh173 * (+0) /* fix things up */
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12:18:35 <esolangs> [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104728&oldid=104724 * Dtuser1337 * (+6) /* Function Commands */ moar clarification
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14:58:00 <esolangs> [[User:Dtuser1337]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104736&oldid=85991 * Dtuser1337 * (+17) /* My Creations */
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15:13:38 <esolangs> [[FlinnStack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104743&oldid=104742 * Dtuser1337 * (+202) Undo revision 104742 by [[Special:Contributions/Dtuser1337|Dtuser1337]] ([[User talk:Dtuser1337|talk]])
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17:36:33 <Soni> has anyone made a minimalist esoteric variant of XML yet?
17:36:41 <Soni> like so: <abbr <title>heart<>>&lt;3<>
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18:34:28 <myname> the question is, how much can you remove before loosing "xml-ness"
18:34:54 <myname> like, why even bother having a closing >
18:35:36 <myname> abbr <title heart> &lt;3
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19:17:28 <b_jonas> fungot, please explain the connotations in English of meaning something from the top versus from the bottom of your heart, and especially which parts of this survive the discrediting of freudian psychoanalysis
19:17:29 <fungot> b_jonas: obviously matches pops the matching expr, help, i'm on fnord in sicp is incorrect, dupa is
19:18:16 <b_jonas> hmm, I'm not sure you're set to the right model
19:18:43 <b_jonas> ^style
19:18:43 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
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00:37:30 <int-e> I wish those were namespaced
00:38:08 <int-e> And I doubt chess.com's piece set is CC0.
00:38:11 <esolangs> [[User:Largejamie]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104761&oldid=103121 * Largejamie * (+18)
00:38:11 <int-e> :/
00:41:12 <FireFly> not the most descriptive filenames
00:41:59 <FireFly> then again, I guess I put a silly thing on the esolangs thing wiki once that isn't CC0 either (but probably fair use)
00:42:52 <fizzie> Some of these were pretty funny: https://www.aiweirdness.com/ai-designed-mastodon-communities/
00:43:01 <fizzie> fungot: If you were running a Mastodon community, what would its theme be?
00:43:02 <fungot> fizzie: i last saw arcus on jan 07 at fnord pm utc, saying: sarahbot, x y" "lambda", "
00:43:10 <fizzie> fungot: That's not so good.
00:43:11 <fungot> fizzie: u mean op1 ( infix ( 3 5) for 3 element array...
00:44:08 <int-e> fungot: is that really the IRC style?
00:44:08 <fungot> int-e: change drinked to drinked.)
00:44:23 <int-e> fungot: I thought it was more coherent than that, on average
00:44:23 <fungot> int-e: quickbasic does it that way
00:44:34 <int-e> fungot: also a bit more verbose
00:44:34 <fungot> int-e: might be a good way.
00:44:42 <int-e> fungot: yeah, maybe
00:44:43 <fungot> int-e: good old " vomit frame pointer" flag. on a certain date, we'll release all the project ideas. then all of sudden everything crashed and both caps lock and scroll lock leds blink. is this completely wrong?
00:45:02 <int-e> okay, now *that* is more like it
00:46:03 <FireFly> now we just need an activitpub-aware fungot that replies when @-mentioned
00:46:03 <fungot> FireFly: " wow" me the way
00:46:13 <FireFly> activitypub*
00:49:55 <int-e> `? activitypub
00:49:58 <HackEso> activitypub? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:50:32 <FireFly> the protocol fediverse implementations federate via
00:50:36 <FireFly> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/
00:50:37 <int-e> ah, protocol below mastodon and others
00:53:20 <fizzie> As it happens, fungot does have a Twitter account. It just hasn't posted in years.
00:53:20 <fungot> fizzie: any time you want to
00:53:58 <fizzie> I was thinking about replacing it with an ActivityPub thing, due to... recent happenings.
00:54:19 <fizzie> https://nitter.nl/fungot last tweet 29 Jun 2012.
00:54:19 <fungot> fizzie: and wiki-words *is* equiv to wiki-word creation isn't a bad thing that i think
03:16:02 <esolangs> [[Chessoteric]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104762&oldid=104760 * Largejamie * (+10)
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03:30:18 <int-e> fungot: can you make fun of Elon Musk on Twitter?
03:30:18 <fungot> int-e: the figs part was yellow
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08:46:11 <Soni> myname: how do you even parse that?
08:47:10 <Soni> XML-everywhere has the benefit of always having the same rules: things are escaped with & consistently.
08:47:15 <Soni> this avoids many XSS
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10:53:02 <esolangs> [[Unasm]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104766 * Normalcat * (+2404) wrote a lot of basic info on unasm and how to use.
10:53:30 <esolangs> [[Unasm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104767&oldid=104766 * Normalcat * (-1) removed a newline to fix spacing
10:58:25 <esolangs> [[User:Normalcat]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104768 * Normalcat * (+209) Created page with "silly person, wrote [[UnAsm]], any pronouns. contact me at normalcat#7681 if needed, thats all you can go read interesting pages now. writing page for my other esolang which doesnt have a name at the moment."
10:59:50 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104769&oldid=104765 * McChuck * (+455) /* Commands */
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11:51:38 <FireFly> <Soni> has anyone made a minimalist esoteric variant of XML yet? <- isn't it called "s-expressions"?
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12:26:19 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104779&oldid=104778 * McChuck * (+4) /* I/O */
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12:30:07 <myname> you could easily get rid of surrounding <x></x> by just marking going up and down the tree, i think
12:30:45 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104781&oldid=104780 * McChuck * (+58) /* Arithmetic */
12:31:44 <myname> like, instead of <div foo="bar">abc<span>def</span><span>ghi</span></div> you could make something like div foo="bar" > abc >< span > def < span > ghi < <
12:32:22 <myname> you just need an option to differentiate between tag names and text, but that could be an easy separate "downwards" character
12:33:28 <myname> something like div foo="bar" } abc >< span } dev < span } ghi < <
12:33:47 <myname> i mis-used >< here for going down the tree and going back up again to denote a neighbour
12:35:04 <myname> you could also introduce a neighbour symbol
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12:37:59 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104783&oldid=104782 * McChuck * (+16) /* Lambda and Flow control */
12:43:18 <wib_jonas> myname: or you could just take XML, which might not be the most well compressed but at least lets the reader detect errors about mismatched tags, which by the way is really easy to get by mistake because almost nobody yet wants to write programs that write XML in a way that the type system can always prove at compile time that you're nesting your
12:43:19 <wib_jonas> tags correctly, even the fanatic rust and haskell folks. and then you can zlib compress the resulting xml, eliminating the redundancy using a compression library that is literally the single most widely used software library in the world and so is pretty well tested to not corrupt your files.
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12:44:11 <wib_jonas> so my opinion is to just not do that. I'm not too enthusiastic about XML, but it's better than some alternatives.
12:44:58 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104785&oldid=104784 * McChuck * (-2) /* Commands */
12:45:05 <myname> i don't consider this as a serious alternative but rather a puzzle of how to minimally represent data
12:45:49 <wib_jonas> myname: for that the answer is probably to not use XML or anything similar
12:46:18 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104786&oldid=104785 * McChuck * (+9) /* Alternate */
12:46:35 <myname> sure, there is stuff like cbor, but it does not represent the same information that xml does
12:47:44 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104787&oldid=104786 * McChuck * (+124) /* Lambda function quotes and flow control */
12:48:15 <esolangs> [[Falsish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104788&oldid=104787 * McChuck * (+1) /* Lambda function quotes and flow control */
12:49:31 <esolangs> [[Talk:Falsish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104789&oldid=104640 * McChuck * (-794)
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12:57:03 <esolangs> [[Unasm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104791&oldid=104790 * MokiyCodes * (+1) Add newline
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13:44:52 <Soni> FireFly: no that's wasm text format
13:44:57 <Soni> :v
13:52:31 <esolangs> [[Unasm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104792&oldid=104791 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+77) Fix link, add categories
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13:56:10 <esolangs> [[Brainfudge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104795&oldid=52585 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+251) Add categories
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17:38:45 <esolangs> [[Unasm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104796&oldid=104792 * MokiyCodes * (+47) mention CLI & web demo
17:39:41 <esolangs> [[Unasm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104797&oldid=104796 * MokiyCodes * (+24) change the wording of my line a bit
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19:08:09 <esolangs> [[Unasm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104798&oldid=104797 * MokiyCodes * (+25) Make the spec match normalcat's implementation
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19:41:05 <b_jonas> I don't know if this was mentioned on #esolangs yet, but here's Scott Aaronson's writeup from 2022-08 about an improvement in busy beaver with very small Turing machines, specifically 2 tape symbols and 6 states https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6673
19:47:31 <myname> that sounds weirdly compelling to me
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00:08:33 <esolangs> [[User:Normalcat]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104799&oldid=104774 * Normalcat * (-21)
01:46:12 <esolangs> [[Unasm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104800&oldid=104798 * Normalcat * (+127) added cmp
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11:19:59 <esolangs> [[Unasm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104812&oldid=104811 * MokiyCodes * (+66) mention how to handle invalid arguments, as per normalcat implementaiton
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14:47:17 <esolangs> [[Talk:GAXT]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104816 * McChuck * (+301) Created page with "The characters in the "Logical" portion do not match the example programs. They are also duplicates of the math characters. CharacterOperator +Nor -Less < *Equal = /Greater > --~~~~"
14:49:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:GAXT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104817&oldid=104816 * McChuck * (+67)
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20:13:32 <esolangs> [[Unasm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104819&oldid=104818 * Normalcat * (-237) removed s and g as they are not real instructions in the official language
20:14:59 <esolangs> [[Unasm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104820&oldid=104819 * MokiyCodes * (-9) see last edit
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00:01:33 <Ginger> HEY EVERY !
00:13:26 * int-e is all spaced out too
00:13:48 <Ginger> I have come to make an announcement
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00:16:09 <Ginger> we're making a Stack Exchange Q&A site for programming language design!
00:16:22 <Ginger> If you want to help, here's a link: https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/127456/programming-language-design?referrer=YzgzMzFhYWNjZTgwOTMwZTAyNDA5MmU4MDExYzMwNzNiYTM4ZWI5ZWJlYTJlNWZkZWFmMDEyMjlkMzFlY2IxOfCn5p1ZabKDAeDQnI48cBnL4DMnOjo8XterevnW-sFB0
00:17:36 <zzo38> Will you make up a NNTP for programming language design, next?
00:17:57 <Ginger> doubtful :p
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00:21:32 <zzo38> Well, you should.
00:21:48 <Ginger> I'll contact my associates
00:26:07 <zzo38> (Although, maybe there already is one)
00:36:42 <int-e> . o O ( I made a Brainfuck derivative. Why is nobody excited about it? )
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01:03:49 <fizzie> Quite surprised there isn't already a programming language design site in the Stack Exchange network.
01:03:55 <fizzie> I kind of assume it's got everything.
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08:42:57 <b_jonas> fizzie: I assume you'd just ask such questions on https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/ . you don't need a separate domain for every topic.
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15:42:09 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Ricky42069 * New user account
15:48:07 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104823&oldid=104801 * Ricky42069 * (+73) /* Introductions */
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15:50:12 <wib_jonas> yay! rust now allows labelled break statement out of labelled bare blocks!
15:50:29 <wib_jonas> (it can't allow the same for unlabeled, that would change the meaning of too much existing code)
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20:41:11 <int-e> `"
20:41:13 <HackEso> 1/1:31) <oklopol> i'm my dad's unborn sister \ 228) <zzo38> Lymia: I put big spider in my bed already. So if you have no more left you do not have to worry about it anymore. You can just take a cold shower or hot acid or whatever you want to, instead.
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23:24:49 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104824&oldid=103934 * Zip * (+38) Added selt
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06:14:35 <zzo38> How to prevent it from automatically changing the permissions of the files in the /var/mail directory?
06:21:17 <int-e> `? it
06:21:18 <HackEso> It would have been certainly so, but `8ball refused to coöperate.
06:40:24 <shachaf> I guess zzo38 is talking about the IT department.
06:59:06 <zzo38> When a message is received it automatically changes the permissions of the file so that someone other than that user cannot read it, but one file I want to be readable by everyone (because it is a mailing list).
07:06:11 <zzo38> This is documented. It says: "If the files permissions are more generous than specified, they are reduced." How to disable that feature, so that it does not reduce the permissions if they are more generous than specified?
07:43:35 <shachaf> Can you specify them to be more generous instead?
07:46:24 <zzo38> Even if it will not change the permissions in that case, I do not want new files to use the more generous permissions; I do not want to change the default permissions. However, I tried that and will see if it will work OK; it seems to work so far. (I suppose, I will need to change permissions of new files manually if necessary)
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07:53:25 <shachaf> zzo38: Is this the relevant code? https://github.com/Exim/exim/blob/master/src/src/transports/appendfile.c#L1782
08:06:40 <zzo38> It looks like it, yes.
08:21:21 <shachaf> Well, I don't see a way to disable it.
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13:44:58 <esolangs> [[Real Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104826&oldid=79057 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+392) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Real Brainfuck programming language on GitHub and added the category tag Implemented.
13:48:22 <esolangs> [[Real Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104827&oldid=104826 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+335) Added an examples section with three initial members: a random numeric cat program, a truth-machine, and a (pi) multiplier.
13:49:09 <esolangs> [[Real Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104828&oldid=104827 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+17) Subsumed the instructions into a section of their own.
13:59:29 <esolangs> [[Real Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104829&oldid=104828 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+412) Improved the instruction tables' formatting by designing commands as code.
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03:41:07 <shachaf> int-e: Hmm, so the general problem of error-correcting a linear code is NP-complete?
04:13:12 <int-e> https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/45874/how-hard-is-it-to-approximate-distance-of-linear-code answers that (finding the distance reduces from finding the closest code word)
04:36:18 <esolangs> [[Motorway]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104832&oldid=104082 * Ninesquared81 * (+35)
04:39:01 <shachaf> Man. So I guess Reed-Solomon codes are pretty special linear codes, and I should be looking for nice structure like that, rather than any old encoding matrix.
04:39:07 <shachaf> Even though the latter is fine for erasures.
05:01:27 <shachaf> What properties do I want of a linear code for it to be easy to do error correction?
05:01:38 <shachaf> I thought I could just use any old matrix, but apparently that only works for erasures.
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05:47:57 <esolangs> [[Esoteric units of information]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104834&oldid=104833 * Imcute * (-81)
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18:43:12 <esolangs> [[BestFuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104835 * Mario0Fan * (+123) Created page with "BestFuck is an esolang by [[User:Mario0Fan]]. Its inspired by [[brainfuck]] and [[User:Mario0Fan | Mario0Fan]]'s groupchat."
18:44:05 <esolangs> [[BestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104836&oldid=104835 * Mario0Fan * (+19)
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19:00:03 <esolangs> [[BestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104838&oldid=104837 * Mario0Fan * (+2) /* =ASCII table */
19:00:22 <esolangs> [[BestFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104839&oldid=104838 * Mario0Fan * (+5)
19:05:11 <esolangs> [[BestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104840&oldid=104839 * Mario0Fan * (-568) /* Hello World! */
19:06:56 <esolangs> [[User:Mario0Fan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104841&oldid=104663 * Mario0Fan * (+16) /* Esolangs i made: */
19:44:56 <esolangs> [[BestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104842&oldid=104840 * Mario0Fan * (+189)
19:45:12 <esolangs> [[BestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104843&oldid=104842 * Mario0Fan * (-1)
19:50:55 <zzo38> O, finally they added new SI prefixes. However, they might not be quite enough, yet.
19:59:44 <b_jonas> zzo38: is that still about exim?
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20:23:59 <zzo38> No
20:25:33 <b_jonas> who added SI prefixes to what then?
20:26:22 <int-e> `learn The password of the month was delayed by snow and ice and Elon Musk.
20:26:27 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month was delayed by snow and ice and Elon Musk.
20:27:41 <int-e> `` units Mi M
20:27:42 <HackEso> ​* 1.048576 \ / 0.95367432
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21:31:35 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104844&oldid=104823 * Heapunderflowin * (+78) /* Introductions */
21:38:12 <b_jonas> snow and ice? there was none here
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21:48:01 <esolangs> [[Fuckscript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104845 * Heapunderflowin * (+3069) Created page with "Fuckscript is a joke esoteric programming language created by Josh Schiavone. Fuckscript is based heavily off of Brainfuck although it is argued that It's more intuitive, with more descriptive keywords (preempted with "fuck"), and it shares the same tape size
21:54:18 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104846&oldid=104143 * Heapunderflowin * (+84)
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04:06:36 <shachaf> int-e: OK, is the answer that I always want cyclic codes?
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07:55:29 <wib_jonas> well now I know what zzo38 was talking about yesterday. it's the CIPM itself that added two pairs of SI prefixes past yotta and yocto
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10:09:37 <wib_jonas> and the prefix for 10**27 is called "ronna", so cue the rona jokes
10:14:21 <FireFly> I guess it doesn't hurt to have more prefixes
10:14:47 <FireFly> I wonder what prompted the need for higher prefixes though
10:16:47 <wib_jonas> http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2022-11-20.2738.cgpm27.html#d.2022-11-20.2738 says he doesn't know
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13:45:02 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/6]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104849&oldid=90446 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+190)
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19:46:40 <esolangs> [[BERT]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104851&oldid=104850 * Kaveh Yousefi * (-1) Rectified the order of the sections, with the just introduced Interpreter portion being mistakenly arranged on a higher location.
19:47:10 <esolangs> [[BERT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104852&oldid=104851 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+149) Added categories to the page.
19:51:25 <esolangs> [[BERT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104853&oldid=104852 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+162) Reformatted and extended the specifics description.
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00:50:28 * ski . o O ( <https://phys.org/news/2022-11-earth-ronnagrams-metric-prefixes-voted.html> )
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19:18:46 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * SMA * uploaded "[[File:BiTraxEditor.png]]"
19:40:33 <esolangs> [[BiTrax]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104856&oldid=101519 * SMA * (+646) BiTrax Editor description, link, image
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21:21:09 <esolangs> [[Fuckscript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104857&oldid=104845 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+245) Categories
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05:39:38 <esolangs> [[Tile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104858&oldid=104301 * Dtp09 * (+72) /* Commands */
05:43:59 <esolangs> [[Aardvark]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104859&oldid=104616 * DanielDG * (-10)
05:53:16 <esolangs> [[Tile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104860&oldid=104858 * Dtp09 * (+184) /* Update Log */
05:55:26 <esolangs> [[BiTrax]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104861&oldid=104856 * Salpynx * (-42) /* Examples */ There's a template for this (the fixed width isn't great though, it could be smarter). Revert if you prefer the manual images.
05:56:20 <esolangs> [[Tile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104862&oldid=104860 * Dtp09 * (+49) /* Code Examples */
05:56:28 <esolangs> [[Tile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104863&oldid=104862 * Dtp09 * (-2) /* Truth Machine */
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13:46:51 <esolangs> [[User:Ricky42069]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104865 * Ricky42069 * (+102) Created page with "Hi, I am Ricky and I plan to make an esolangs channel, create esolangs, and prove turing completeness."
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06:26:05 <zzo38> This is a part of a report about the TRON operating system: The "real object/virtual object model" is a type of filing system for storing and managing data. A "real object" is the file itself, and the "virtual object" is a thing that's like its business card. That which is called "TAD" are rules for the purpose of making it so that text, pictures, and the like can be written mixed together.
06:26:30 <zzo38> Nevertheless, I had look at documentation (which is Japanese and I understand a little bit but not very well), it seem it is not designed very well.
06:27:21 <zzo38> I had idea making up a new opeating system design, which is better than TRON because it will be a capability system, and also fixing many of the problems with the design of TRON, but also many of its good ideas can be used too.
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13:15:08 <esolangs> [[User:SwitchU42]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104879 * SwitchU42 * (+18) Created page with "I create esolangs."
13:16:15 <esolangs> [[Quudo]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104880 * SwitchU42 * (+3) Created page with "Qud"
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18:15:24 <esolangs> [[lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104885&oldid=104884 * Yes * (+834)
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19:35:37 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Billnyethefrenchfry * New user account
19:45:36 <esolangs> [[User:Masalt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104886&oldid=98115 * Masalt * (+0) /* Languages */
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19:59:35 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104887&oldid=104883 * Billnyethefrenchfry * (+176) /* Introductions */ h
19:59:54 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104888&oldid=104071 * Billnyethefrenchfry * (+606) A more enthusiastic "Hello, world!" program, and a new interpreter (JavaScript).
20:00:29 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104889&oldid=104888 * Billnyethefrenchfry * (+1) grammer
20:04:53 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104890&oldid=104889 * Billnyethefrenchfry * (+176) my own javascript interpreter, forgot to put instructions
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21:38:43 <esolangs> [[Quudo]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104891&oldid=104882 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+33) Stub, category
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23:22:24 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104892&oldid=104890 * Billnyethefrenchfry * (-2) More efficient way to get to 64, ((3^2)-1)^2 rather than ((2^2)+4)^2.
23:43:47 <esolangs> [[Talk:Jack Eisenmann]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104893 * Billnyethefrenchfry * (+205) i have question
23:45:39 <esolangs> [[Talk:Jack Eisenmann]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104894&oldid=104893 * Billnyethefrenchfry * (+31)
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07:23:18 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck+10]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104895 * Watermelyn * (+6104) Created page with "Brainfuck+10 is like [[Brainfuck]] but it has 5 more commands that may or may not be useful depending on how you are using them. Inspired by [[Brainfuck+3]] ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" !Command !Description |- | style="text-align:center"| <code>></code> |M
07:25:51 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104896&oldid=104793 * Watermelyn * (+19) /* B */
07:26:09 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck+10]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104897&oldid=104895 * Watermelyn * (+1)
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