00:39:23 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Gfdxdgfesthrtyukli * New user account
00:45:51 <esolangs> [[Brain--]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118582 * H3h3h0h0 * (+2292) Created page with "Brain-- is created by [[User:H3h3h0h0|User:H3h3h0h0]], and is a superset of [[brainfuck]]. ==Method of operation== Instead of the linear series of memory cells offered in regular BF, this language is built around a tree-based data structure. Each cell, while still acti
00:46:52 <esolangs> [[Brain--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118583&oldid=118582 * H3h3h0h0 * (+67) /* Computational class */
00:48:17 <esolangs> [[Brain--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118584&oldid=118583 * H3h3h0h0 * (+22) /* Method of operation */
00:49:33 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118585&oldid=118551 * H3h3h0h0 * (+14) /* Non-alphabetic */
00:49:54 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118586&oldid=118585 * H3h3h0h0 * (-14) /* Non-alphabetic */
00:51:09 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118587&oldid=118586 * H3h3h0h0 * (+14) /* B */
00:53:07 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118588&oldid=118581 * Gfdxdgfesthrtyukli * (+160)
00:56:39 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118589&oldid=118588 * Gfdxdgfesthrtyukli * (+47)
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01:59:51 <esolangs> [[GP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118590&oldid=118575 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+61) Formatting, categories
02:02:02 <esolangs> [[Brain--]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118591&oldid=118584 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+108) Categories
02:03:44 <esolangs> [[Arraything]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118592&oldid=118577 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) Categories
02:06:56 <esolangs> [[Pep & Chz]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118593&oldid=118568 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+188) Categories
03:02:13 <esolangs> [[!!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118594&oldid=115469 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+6699) Added an attempted implementation in Common Lisp.
03:06:15 <esolangs> [[!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118595&oldid=118594 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+203) Reformatted the instruction listing as a table and inserted hyperlinks into the command names.
04:33:22 <esolangs> [[CopyPasta Language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118596&oldid=89434 * MihaiEso * (+5) Fixed grammar.
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04:45:03 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118597&oldid=118560 * MihaiEso * (+44) /* Examples */
04:51:25 <esolangs> [[!English/Examples]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118598 * MihaiEso * (+480) Added some examples here.
04:51:48 <esolangs> [[!English/Examples]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118599&oldid=118598 * MihaiEso * (+26)
04:52:11 <esolangs> [[!English/Examples]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118600&oldid=118599 * MihaiEso * (+32)
05:00:44 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118601&oldid=118597 * MihaiEso * (+523) /* Commands */
05:11:47 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118602&oldid=118601 * MihaiEso * (+133) /* Commands */
05:13:11 <esolangs> [[!English/Examples]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118603&oldid=118600 * MihaiEso * (+622) /* More examples */
05:14:17 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118604&oldid=118602 * MihaiEso * (-133) /* Commands */
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13:37:20 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118605&oldid=118572 * PaxtonPenguin * (+155)
13:37:39 <esolangs> [[Dead fish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118606&oldid=118579 * None1 * (+36) /* C++ */
13:37:44 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118607&oldid=118605 * PaxtonPenguin * (-1)
13:39:08 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118608&oldid=118607 * PaxtonPenguin * (+1)
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13:41:43 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118610&oldid=118609 * PaxtonPenguin * (+19) weird glitch makes the multi line hello world look terrible
13:42:09 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118611&oldid=118610 * PaxtonPenguin * (+4)
13:42:31 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118612&oldid=118611 * PaxtonPenguin * (-19) Fixed it
13:52:37 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118613&oldid=118612 * None1 * (+0)
13:57:01 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118614&oldid=118613 * None1 * (+121)
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14:06:24 <b_jonas> fungot, how often do you give rise?
14:06:25 <fungot> b_jonas: as to the longer, lower tunnel. i give the hon. member of this house, is the constituency, and i have to be frank, the very person running southend.
14:06:45 <b_jonas> there's a longer, lower tunnel under the Channel tunnel?
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14:23:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Shomaka * New user account
14:28:01 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118615&oldid=118589 * Shomaka * (+183)
15:07:04 <esolangs> [[Squarebrain]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118616 * PaxtonPenguin * (+411) Created page with "Squarebrain is a language [[User:PaxtonPenguin|I]] created after reading a book about learning coding, for children, for some reason I created this. {| class="wikitable" |+ |- ! Square !! On a Square |- | > || Move right on the canvas |- | < || Move left on th
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16:01:12 <esolangs> [[SELECT./Hello World]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118617&oldid=38475 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) Category
16:10:59 <esolangs> [[Squarebrain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118618&oldid=118616 * PaxtonPenguin * (+24)
16:11:18 <esolangs> [[User:PaxtonPenguin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118619&oldid=118570 * PaxtonPenguin * (+17)
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16:44:33 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118620&oldid=118614 * PaxtonPenguin * (+421)
16:46:22 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118621&oldid=118620 * PaxtonPenguin * (+61) More the symbols, more the fun, right?
16:48:47 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118622&oldid=118621 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-40) Backtick
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18:17:44 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld elon enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl* youtube
18:18:05 <b_jonas> huh, some of those don't ring a bell. what is ss?
18:18:10 <fungot> Selected style: pa (around 1200 transcribed Penny Arcade comics)
18:18:17 <b_jonas> fungot, which martial arts use spindashes?
18:18:18 <fungot> b_jonas: 1up's review of neverwinter nights 2 was a travesty. you also said there would be cheese! we really appreciate it.
18:20:09 <fungot> Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
18:20:27 <int-e> fungot: what would the bard say?
18:20:28 <fungot> int-e: biondello. i hope i was perfect. i made unto the noise; when soon i heard the owle schreame, and the army.
18:20:56 <fungot> Selected style: elon (tweets by Melon Husk)
18:21:18 <fungot> Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations)
18:21:26 <fungot> int-e: i t- i try to keep away from politics and religion
18:22:05 <int-e> it's the only one that looks unfamiliar to me
18:22:32 <int-e> (though I couldn't remember what ss was, but it has been around for a long time)
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18:41:35 <fungot> Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
18:41:54 <b_jonas> fungot, which martial arts use spindashes?
18:41:54 <fungot> b_jonas: volumnia. nay, and most glad of your company
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23:13:05 <esolangs> [[Squarebrain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118623&oldid=118618 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+9) Stub
23:40:29 <b_jonas> fungot, can divided houses stand against themselves?
23:40:29 <fungot> b_jonas: demetrius. what's here? two englishmen robbed by the bandetti, and therefore are they form'd as marble will; the weak oppress'd, the impression of strange kinds is form'd in them by force, and not his mothers shames drawes those fnord pearles from his poor eies, which heauen shall take in nature of a brothers loue. come clarence, come: come away
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01:37:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * LorenzoPapi * New user account
01:44:59 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118624&oldid=118615 * LorenzoPapi * (+277)
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02:26:20 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Azwid * moved [[UniLang]] to [[C STSC]]
02:26:37 <esolangs> [[C STSC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118627&oldid=118625 * Azwid * (-170)
03:09:54 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Azwid * moved [[C STSC]] to [[CharCode]]
03:59:41 <esolangs> [[CharCode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118630&oldid=118628 * Azwid * (+1578)
04:00:26 <esolangs> [[CharCode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118631&oldid=118630 * Azwid * (-9)
04:00:50 <esolangs> [[CharCode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118632&oldid=118631 * Azwid * (+2)
04:01:54 <esolangs> [[CharCode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118633&oldid=118632 * Azwid * (-11)
04:02:46 <esolangs> [[CharCode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118634&oldid=118633 * Azwid * (+910)
05:47:57 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Happy * New user account
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05:52:45 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118635&oldid=118624 * Happy * (+35) /* Introductions */
05:53:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118636&oldid=118635 * Happy * (+0) /* Introductions */
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08:33:44 <esolangs> [[User:Leol22]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118637&oldid=107068 * Leol22 * (+176) redone
08:36:44 <esolangs> [[User:Leol22]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118638&oldid=118637 * Leol22 * (+83)
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10:47:16 <esolangs> [[A-SCP-M]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118639&oldid=118446 * Philiquaz * (+617)
10:49:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:A-SCP-M]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118640&oldid=118458 * Philiquaz * (+161) /* Compiler */
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11:31:53 <esolangs> [[Output]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118641 * None1 * (+840) Created page with "Output is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]]. ==Commands== Input Reads a line of input Output ''value'' This can output a string if the ''value'' is surrounded by quotes (""), but there also two special values without quotes: the input is the last result of the "inpu
11:32:39 <esolangs> [[Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118642&oldid=118641 * None1 * (+15) /* Commands */
11:32:58 <esolangs> [[Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118643&oldid=118642 * None1 * (+0) /* Syntax error */
11:35:49 <esolangs> [[Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118644&oldid=118643 * None1 * (+99) /* Commands */
11:35:59 <esolangs> [[Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118645&oldid=118644 * None1 * (+3) /* Commands */
11:36:38 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118646&oldid=118587 * None1 * (+13) /* O */
11:37:26 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118647&oldid=118559 * None1 * (+38) /* My Esolangs */
11:38:33 <esolangs> [[PlusOrOutput]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118648&oldid=114842 * None1 * (+29) /* Interpreter for PlusOrOutput only (in Python) */ tis a subset of bf isnt it
11:40:32 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118649&oldid=118010 * None1 * (+38) /* Ouroboros */
11:41:52 <esolangs> [[List of quines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118650&oldid=117632 * None1 * (+50) /* Cheating Quines */
11:56:33 <esolangs> [[!English/Examples]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118651&oldid=118603 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) Category
12:24:59 <esolangs> [[^]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118652&oldid=118553 * None1 * (+19)
12:31:33 <esolangs> [[Output]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118653&oldid=118645 * None1 * (+590) Added Python interpreter and change Unimplemented to Implemented
12:32:40 <esolangs> [[User:XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118654&oldid=118276 * None1 * (+29) /* oOo CODE */
12:34:47 <esolangs> [[Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118655&oldid=118653 * None1 * (+37) /* Python */ Improved the interpreter
12:38:00 <esolangs> [[Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118656&oldid=118655 * None1 * (+452) /* Python */
12:39:56 <esolangs> [[Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118657&oldid=118656 * None1 * (+7) /* Python */ Fixed interpreter
12:40:10 <esolangs> [[Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118658&oldid=118657 * None1 * (+9) /* Commands */
12:41:00 <esolangs> [[Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118659&oldid=118658 * None1 * (+16) /* Python */
12:41:24 <esolangs> [[Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118660&oldid=118659 * None1 * (+40) /* Python */
12:41:50 <esolangs> [[Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118661&oldid=118660 * None1 * (+49) /* Python */
13:31:09 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118662&oldid=118622 * PaxtonPenguin * (+4) Fixed it to use the new | symbol
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13:51:01 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118663&oldid=118662 * PaxtonPenguin * (+46) Added truth machine
13:51:52 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118664&oldid=118663 * PaxtonPenguin * (+0) Whoops
13:58:01 <esolangs> [[User:PaxtonPenguin/ExtremelyLongNameThatNoOneWillGuess]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118665&oldid=118441 * PaxtonPenguin * (+159)
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14:17:38 <esolangs> [[WLWLWL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118666 * LEOMOK * (+13627) Created page with "'''WLWLWL''', '''We Live, We Love, We Lie''', '''WeLiveWeLoveWeLie''' or '''2.0''' (a reference to the programming language's number system) is an esoteric programming language inspired by the Smurf Cat meme and [[SquidScript]]. It was created by [[User:LEOMOK]]. The ins
14:21:42 <esolangs> [[WLWLWL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118667&oldid=118666 * LEOMOK * (-2) 2 sounds better than 2.0
14:24:58 <esolangs> [[WLWLWL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118668&oldid=118667 * LEOMOK * (+31)
14:25:08 <esolangs> [[WLWLWL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118669&oldid=118668 * LEOMOK * (-7)
14:25:37 <esolangs> [[WLWLWL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118670&oldid=118669 * LEOMOK * (+1)
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14:52:15 <esolangs> [[We Live, We Love, We Lie]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118671 * LEOMOK * (+20) Redirected page to [[WLWLWL]]
14:52:54 <esolangs> [[WeLiveWeLoveWeLie]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118672 * LEOMOK * (+20) Redirected page to [[WLWLWL]]
14:53:12 <esolangs> [[2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118673 * LEOMOK * (+20) Redirected page to [[WLWLWL]]
15:04:13 <esolangs> [[NASAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118674&oldid=117370 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+10)
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15:13:57 <esolangs> [[NASAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118675&oldid=118674 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0)
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15:18:11 <esolangs> [[WLWLWL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118676&oldid=118670 * LEOMOK * (+0) fixed mistake
15:20:40 <esolangs> [[NASAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118677&oldid=118675 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+46)
15:28:01 <esolangs> [[NASAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118678&oldid=118677 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+2)
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16:11:44 <esolangs> [[Wordfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118681&oldid=67050 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+206) Categories
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01:55:20 <b_jonas> I think this somewhat short puzzle game has the potential where several people from #esolangs play it and then they ask what computational complexity it has: https://bcat112a.itch.io/portalsnake
02:12:02 <b_jonas> so it's like double duty, both a game and an esoteric computational model
02:13:24 <b_jonas> yes, that's not unique, you've probably played one of the PSPACE-complete games like minesweeper or Super Metroid or Prince of Persia or Super Mario
02:14:15 <b_jonas> but this one might be Turing-complete
02:24:35 <b_jonas> hmm, perhaps I should start a list on the esowiki of the games that specifically interest the esolangs community
02:24:55 <b_jonas> I think I have some linked from the wisdome
02:25:07 <HackEso> Cats are cool, but should be illegal.
02:26:42 <HackEso> The kittens game is "https://kittensgame.com/", an addictive game that went viral for a short time on #esolangs in 2023-01.
02:26:47 <HackEso> Euclid is a short geeky game in which the goal is to do Euclidean compass and straightedge constructions in as few steps as possible. It runs in the browser, found at "http://www.euclidthegame.com/". It was popular among #esoteric regulars in 2016-07.
02:30:04 <zzo38> Would Magic: the Gathering count?
02:32:48 <ais523> b_jonas: I've completed ten numbered and three lettered levels, is that the end of the game?
02:36:31 <ais523> anyway, assuming a bounded playfield, we have obvious multiply, divide, add-constant, greater-than-or-equal-to operations
02:36:39 <ais523> but I'm not sure that's TC data storage by itself
02:37:39 <ais523> that models a stack and one stack is not TC, so we need two snakes and to have them interact somehow
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03:34:09 <zzo38> I seem to remember once I made up a Turing machine in Hero Hearts, from Sliding Doors, Switches, Pullers, Walls, and Creepers. (However, it was rather limited because of the limited grid size.)
04:27:31 <zzo38> (I do not have it now, though)
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08:27:28 <b_jonas> ais523: yes, that's all the levels.
08:28:04 <ais523> it feels like the game would benefit from being longer, but maybe the author was out of ideas?
08:28:17 <b_jonas> I think it was made for one of these limited time game jams
08:38:28 <b_jonas> zzo38: yes, M:tG counts too
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11:11:47 <int-e> Hmm, 12 levels down, 1 to go.
11:18:42 <int-e> Ah, found the missing idea. Yay.
11:35:24 <int-e> (The last one was the b level if anyone cares.)
11:48:21 <int-e> b_jonas: Yeah on one hand it would be nice to have more puzzles, but ont he other hand it's nice that the game isn't 50 levels all based on the same 3 ideas.
12:12:39 <b_jonas> where on the wiki do you suppose we should collect these games that interest #esolangs ?
12:13:56 <ais523> alternatively you could define the games as languages, although that might lead to spoilers
12:15:33 <ais523> fwiw, I think there are two ways to do esolangs as games: the imperative view where the esolang interpreter is the game mechanics; and the declarative view where the esolang interpreter is the person who plays the game
12:15:55 <ais523> and the latter is underexplored because declarative languages aren't popular
12:16:04 <b_jonas> games as languages work for some games like this, but not so well for some other games
12:42:42 <b_jonas> on the portalsnake game being short, webpage specifically says "Made for GMTK 2023, 48 hour game jam", that's why it's short
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14:14:52 <b_jonas> fungot: is a stack made of {a bun slice, burger patty, cheese slice, bun slice, burger patty, cheese slice, salad, bun slice} a closed sandwich?
14:14:52 <fungot> b_jonas: laer. what cerimony else? priest. her obsequies haue bin as farre inlarg'd. as we pac'd along vpon the giddy footing of the hatches, fnord and all to all
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03:11:36 <esolangs> [[Template:Derivative]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118734&oldid=112081 * Squidmanescape * (-17) Undo revision 112081 by [[Special:Contributions/Xyzzy|Xyzzy]] ([[User talk:Xyzzy|talk]]) I don't see why this is needed.
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12:26:44 <HackEso> olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1290.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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13:29:55 <esolangs> [[Dmc]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118783 * None1 * (+105) Redirected page to [['xxx' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.]]
13:30:57 <esolangs> [[SOD-SM]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118784 * None1 * (+38) Redirected page to [[Bad command or file name]]
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13:41:04 <esolangs> [[Bad command or file name]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118786&oldid=118785 * None1 * (+1) /* Python */
13:41:39 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118787&oldid=118647 * None1 * (+44) /* My Implementations */
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14:12:53 <esolangs> [[EncryptedFuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118791 * None1 * (+1405) Created page with "EncryptedFuck is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]]. It is inspired by how the notepad sometimes confuses an ASCII file into a UTF-16 file. ==Steps== [[bf]] code: ,[.,] Translate to [[Factor]]: 310861643 Pad a space at the end (if the number of characters are o
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09:38:58 <riv> https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.19387
09:41:09 <int-e> A draw, huh. That's mildly surprising to me.
09:42:31 <int-e> (the game is so volatile)
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10:21:53 <arseniiv> volatile is a good description of what I’ve seen
10:31:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:BoundedBeans/Sandbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118801 * None1 * (+92) Created page with "What is this. --~~~~"
10:31:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:BoundedBeans/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118802&oldid=118801 * None1 * (+37)
10:33:14 <esolangs> [[Cipher]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118803&oldid=109417 * None1 * (+1) /* Addition */ Typo
10:36:06 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118804&oldid=97096 * None1 * (+1) /* Infinity loop */
10:36:45 <esolangs> [[ALWCIDFEC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118805&oldid=118804 * None1 * (+19) /* External resources */
11:16:17 <esolangs> [[Calculator.app]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118806 * RocketRace * (+17886) Waouh
11:16:41 <esolangs> [[Calculator.app]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118807&oldid=118806 * RocketRace * (+2) Typo
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11:19:56 <esolangs> [[Calculator.app]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118809&oldid=118807 * RocketRace * (+71) Restructure page
13:38:25 <esolangs> [[H+Q9]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118810 * None1 * (+357) Created page with "H+Q9 is a derivative of [[HQ9+]]. The ''characters'' are the same while the ''meanings'' of the characters are different. H: Halt. Q: Quit. 9: Output next character 9 times and halt. +: Output next character once and halt. ==Examples== ===[[Quine]]=== 999999999 ==={{User
13:39:09 <esolangs> [[User:XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118811&oldid=118654 * None1 * (+20) /* Goldfuck */
13:42:06 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118812&oldid=118703 * None1 * (+28) /* General languages */
13:42:37 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118813&oldid=118793 * None1 * (+28) /* My Esolangs */
13:43:07 <esolangs> [[H+Q9]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118814&oldid=118810 * None1 * (+27)
13:43:46 <esolangs> [[H+Q9]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118815&oldid=118814 * None1 * (+22) /* NOP */
13:46:32 <esolangs> [[H+Q9]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118816&oldid=118815 * None1 * (+200) /* Examples */
13:47:03 <esolangs> [[H+Q9]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118817&oldid=118816 * None1 * (+4) /* Notice */
13:49:23 <esolangs> [[H+Q9]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118818&oldid=118817 * None1 * (+1) /* Notice */
13:51:11 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118819&oldid=118813 * None1 * (+51) /* My Esolangs */
13:55:49 <esolangs> [[H+Q9]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118820&oldid=118818 * None1 * (+57) /* Examples */
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14:41:59 <esolangs> [[SStack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118822&oldid=114121 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0)
14:47:40 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08/Interpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118823&oldid=109663 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-27) /* brainfuck in Uppercase=Lowercase */
14:49:03 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08/Interpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118824&oldid=118823 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+11) /* brainfuck in Uppercase=Lowercase */
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16:38:36 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape/Gray Snail Interpreter Links]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118826&oldid=90065 * Squidmanescape * (+1401) Autopsy
17:05:09 <esolangs> [[Autopsy]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118827&oldid=116808 * Squidmanescape * (+807) I think this explanation corresponds to what it says in the paper. Maybe this explanation is still not easy to parse.
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18:06:40 <esolangs> [[EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118829&oldid=111743 * Squidmanescape * (+62)
18:14:18 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape/Gray Snail Interpreter Links]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118830&oldid=118828 * Squidmanescape * (+13596) /* Deadfish */
18:23:03 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape/Gray Snail Interpreter Links]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118831&oldid=118830 * Squidmanescape * (+580)
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18:47:17 <zzo38> Is there any C extension to make self-modifying code for the program to modify itself when it starts due to a condition or constant which is early known in the program but not at compile tile?
18:56:27 <fizzie> It's not really self-modifying code, and it barely qualifies as a C extension, but I seem to recall GNU libc making use of a special GCC feature that allows a plain function call in a client program to lazily resolve to one out of a several (all precompiled) implementations targeting different hardware features, based on a runtime check on their availability. In such a way that subsequent calls
18:56:29 <fizzie> would then take the fast path.
18:56:39 <fizzie> https://jasoncc.github.io/gnu_gcc_glibc/gnu-ifunc.html <- that thing
18:57:01 <fizzie> But it's not fully self-modifying, it's limited to running some logic to pick which function to use.
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19:05:10 <b_jonas> zzo38: that is the realm of linker magic, not a compiler's thing, since you're supposed to do it only once for every function in the program (otherwise the caches will hate you), and you'll have to ask ##workingset about how to convince the linker if #esolangs can't help. unless of course you want to do it manually in an architecture-dependent way. for that, just mmap an executable and writable area (or
19:05:16 <b_jonas> if the OS doesn't allow it, mprotect to switch a writable area into executable and no longer writable) and copy code there that you've hand-written with an assembler or not even that, modify and/or execute it as you see fit. still not really the compiler's domain except in as much that the compiler follows the architecture's ABI which you have to respect at the call boundaries between your code, eg.
19:05:22 <b_jonas> save the registers that you are expected to save under thread of UB after you return. https://refspecs.linuxbase.org/ and Agern Fog's https://www.agner.org/optimize/ for the ABI of typical x86_64 systems.
19:06:58 <b_jonas> zzo38: in simple cases, you could dynamically load at runtime one of multiple shared libraries that implement the same functions in different ways, or convince the linker using the arcane magic of linker scripts to do the same at startup time of your program
19:08:05 <b_jonas> if this weren't zzo38 and #esolangs then I'd also have to add that before you try any of this, you should seriously consider whether just a normal if statement would work better
19:10:33 <b_jonas> zzo38: ah wait, I am wrong, there is some compiler support
19:10:49 <b_jonas> zzo38: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-13.2.0/gcc/Common-Function-Attributes.html#index-ifunc-function-attribute
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02:17:04 <zzo38> I should have been more specific about my question. The condition will be known some time after the program starts, but it will only ever be set once and it will be before the function that checks the condition will ever be called. (Due to requirements of the implementation, I think it would make sense to require that the function that checks the condition to be in the same file as whatever sets it.)
02:18:15 <zzo38> (For example, it might depend on a command-line argument. It is effectively equivalent to a if statement, although if you could set an attribute of the variable containing the condition to make it to do that, then it would be able to do that, if that condition is checked a lot more than it is set, maybe.)
02:19:46 <zzo38> (The example for ifunc uses an environment variable, but in my case it might depend on command-line switches, or the contents of a file named by a command-line argument, etc)
02:24:15 <b_jonas> zzo38: I think you may want that attribute that I linked to, if you'll be calling this function many times. If you're just calling it a few times then just an if statement in the function.
02:28:34 <zzo38> OK, except that the program might need to do other stuff before deciding what the value of the condition is, such as parsing command-line switches.
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02:35:07 <b_jonas> zzo38: yeah, I think this is optimized for the case when you have many functions that you have to dispatch at load time, since that's the most kind of caches. you may still be able to parse the command-line argument from the function that determines the address, but you'll have to do it the unix-specific way because you don't have the main function yet
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02:37:04 <b_jonas> zzo38: or you could try to load these functions from a dynamic library after you've done everything to parse the arguments, or just execve one of multiple variants of second phase excutables from a first phase executable maybe
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03:10:34 <b_jonas> zzo38: I for one wouldn't bother with any of these advanced techniques, I'd just use an if statement, CPUs have decent way to cache which conditional jumps are likely or not so they can optimize them away when they always go the same way
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03:17:40 <zzo38> OK, although I would still think that it might be useful to specify this explicitly by adding a attribute to the declaration of the corresponding variable, to make a optimization hint, regardless of the actual implementation.
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13:12:53 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.
13:12:57 <HackEso> The password of the month contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.
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09:32:10 <cpressey> Half-asleep late last night I thought of a really interesting topic of conversation to talk about on this channel but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was now.
09:32:25 <cpressey> These sorts of thoughts cannot be trusted, it was possibly completely illusory.
09:44:01 <arseniiv> had mathy dreams several times to memory, each time there were gaping flaws if I remembered them to some extent
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09:47:33 <arseniiv> or I had a dream where there was some sort of perfect vocal harmony and, well, it’s probably not achievable by ordinary sounds through an ear. It was probably just semantic to a degree. I think people often understate how much dreams are filled with semantic hallucinations firsthand and other false perceptions second
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15:43:19 <b_jonas> yes, I have also had many dreams where something was beautiful and/or made sense in the dream but almost certainly wouldn't in real life. not math or music, usually text instead.
15:44:49 <b_jonas> which makes sense because even awake I can imagine text that I couldn't put into real words, but can't really do that with math or music (to be clear, I can easily imagine music that I can't sing or otherwise play, but not one that real musicians can't play).
15:45:05 <b_jonas> it's just that in a dream this happens all the time, with basically all spoken words
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16:38:06 <zzo38> I believe what you say about dreaming, because I had experienced "semantic hallucinations" too
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23:27:16 <b_jonas> zzo38: if you want a multiplayer card game of Set implemented on a computer, what do you think is the correct behavior? (a) if there is no Set in the cards on the table, the computer immediately deals 3 more cards; or (b) if there are at least 12 cards on the table, the computer doesn't indicate whether there's a Set, the players must either find a Set or claim that there's none, you deal three more
23:27:22 <b_jonas> cards if someone *correctly* claims that there's no Set and give that player score similarly to when they find a Set, but penalize them if they falsely claimed no Set.
23:27:59 <b_jonas> also what is the correct scoring system, eg. how do you get points for finding a Set, finding no Set, or an incorrect claim?
23:29:38 <b_jonas> I'm thinking of (b), and the scoring that I'm thinking of is 3 points for finding a Set, (N/3-1) points for finding no Set among N cards, -1 point for an incorrect claim of a Set or an incorrect claim of no Set, except first mistake per deck per player is free.
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23:39:39 <zzo38> It is not a game that I am familiar with (I know only a little bit about not, and not enough), so I do not know the answers of your questions.
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05:43:12 <zzo38> Now I read the rules on Wikipedia, and I still don't know the answer of your question, although I suppose you could implement either kind of game if you want to do
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14:52:57 <esolangs> [[User:HaleyHalcyon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118891&oldid=118549 * HaleyHalcyon * (+167) /* Visible Whitespace (draft) */
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14:56:39 <Guest14> Hi, I have a new esolang that I want to submit to the Wiki
14:57:05 <Guest14> Well, it’s not NEW new, it’s just a more user-friendly relex of Whitespace
14:57:24 <Guest14> I put the draft in my User page: https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:HaleyHalcyon
14:57:34 <Guest14> What’s the process for having it approved and up?
14:57:52 <ais523> Guest14: it's a wiki, so you just edit it yourself, and if other people don't like what you wrote they edit it themself
14:58:45 <Guest14> I’ll refer to the help guide that I just noticed is in the home screen :V
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15:10:12 <Guest14> TL;DR: Visible Whitespace turns Whitespace from an invisible and frustrating language, to a visible but frustrating language LOL
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19:42:22 <esolangs> [[Stick]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118894 * PaxtonPenguin * (+116) Created page with "Inspired by the Sandbox: {| class="wikitable" |+ |- ! Yeah !! Yea |- | - || Print - |- | | || Print | |}"
19:57:05 <esolangs> [[Stick]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118895&oldid=118894 * PaxtonPenguin * (+47)
19:57:43 <fellow> How can any language be TC when memory can only be finite in our universe?
19:57:46 <esolangs> [[Stick-complete]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118896 * PaxtonPenguin * (+19) Redirected page to [[Stick]]
19:59:26 <esolangs> [[Stick]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118897&oldid=118895 * PaxtonPenguin * (+18)
19:59:38 <esolangs> [[Stick]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118898&oldid=118897 * PaxtonPenguin * (+9)
19:59:55 <esolangs> [[Stick]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118899&oldid=118898 * PaxtonPenguin * (-1)
20:19:15 <b_jonas> fellow: our universe doesn't come into this, Turing-complete is a mathematical abstraction, not a physics thing
20:22:54 <tromp> it's like asking, how can there be infinitely many primes, when our universe can hold only finitely many:-?
20:28:03 <b_jonas> is there a range of credit card numbers reserved as examples where you don't want to give a real credit card number?
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23:17:36 <citrons> I think you can generate card numbers according to some algorithm
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02:45:13 <b_jonas> hehe, the IUPAC blue book at P-16.2.5 says “If a space is required in a name, it must be used.”, and it doesn't make more sense in context either
02:46:18 <b_jonas> I'm wondering if at least *tokenizing* a chemistry name is an easy problem, since running a name, creating a name, and creating the preferred name are probably not easy
03:26:36 <b_jonas> ok, admittedly at least the rules seem to be defined such that running a name after you have tokenized and parsed it is supposed to be easy. I don't know if there are exceptions from that.
03:26:37 <zzo38> GCC doesn't allow nested functions to be declared as "static", but I think it should be allowed (forcing it to implement it without trampolines), but then it is not allowed to access any variables and other nested functions in the outer function unless they are also declared as "static".
03:27:47 <b_jonas> zzo38: are they already implemented without trampolines if they don't reference data from the containing function? what would "static" change?
03:31:13 <zzo38> I don't know if that is the case or not (although it would make sense), although "static" would force such a thing (like some other keywords force other things).
03:34:15 <zzo38> (Possibly "register" might also be sense to also force it to implement it without a trampoline but in this case the restrictions of "static" do not apply; since the function is not exported and its address can never be given to anything else, the compiler can add additional arguments if necessary. In this way, it can be used even together with NX stack.)
05:27:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:A-SCP-M]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118901&oldid=118640 * CreeperBomb * (+474)
05:47:36 <esolangs> [[Listfunc]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118902&oldid=113061 * CreeperBomb * (+2) /* List & func */
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14:21:09 <esolangs> [[HASSL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118909&oldid=115176 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+110) Categories
14:21:22 <esolangs> [[HASSL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118910&oldid=118909 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Fix
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18:35:16 <fizzie> If you put a cat face and a pair of headphones (there was no personal computer available) into https://emojikitchen.dev/ the cat will have the driver parts of the headphones on the sides of its head, pretty far from its actual, you know, ears.
18:36:16 <int-e> but are they low enough to be whisker protectors?
18:37:43 <fizzie> Location might be okay for that, but the image has whiskers drawn in front of them.
18:38:54 <int-e> ah maybe they got too hot and are being aired out
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19:10:10 <arseniiv> oh I need to try that with mine!!
19:10:34 <arseniiv> there are also cat ninja composites and some others
19:10:48 <ais523> fizzie: now you've got me wondering what headphones for a cat would look like
19:11:03 <ais523> I don't think they could be secured the same way as headphones for a human
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19:29:10 <b_jonas> arseniiv: cat ninja sounds entirely reasonable for a video game, or a faction in an M:tG set. they'd probably fight against he Kamigawa rat samurais.
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20:09:59 <b_jonas> apparently M:tG already has rat ninjas, as well as ninjas from a lot of other species. including a vedalken ninja. that's a really weird type combination, about as weird as the elf merfolk.
20:10:52 <b_jonas> admittedly the M:tG subtypes make this much easier: humanoid catfolk has the subtype cat, humanoid avens have the subtype bird, etc
20:11:11 <b_jonas> so eg. a cat ninja can just be a humanoid ninja with cat ears and whiskers
20:15:27 <b_jonas> for the record, they still haven't errataed Hollow Dogs to a skeleton, and I'm still pissed about that, even more so since they made it a phyrexian
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22:34:07 <zzo38> What is the best way in C programming to scale a set of integers so that their product does not overflow?
22:39:41 <ais523> I don't know, but that's an interesting question
22:40:16 <ais523> if you don't mind an approximate result, using floats would probably work (up until the point that even a float overflows) – they were designed for that sort of problem
22:40:39 <FreeFull> What do you want to do if it would overflow?
22:41:17 <FreeFull> Also are they signed integers, or unsigned?
22:41:30 <zzo38> They are unsigned.
22:42:04 <zzo38> If they would overflow, I would want to divide all of them by the same number, probably
22:42:42 <FreeFull> Is it ok if you get the same integer multiple times, after the division?
22:43:43 <zzo38> Yes. (It is not strictly a "set"; really it is a list, actually)
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23:11:21 <FreeFull> Overflow is kinda like division, except some of the numbers end up bigger and some smaller
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00:03:42 <esolangs> [[Turi ip ip ip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118912&oldid=100348 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+201) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Turi ip ip ip programming language on GitHub and supplemented two page category tags.
00:06:27 <esolangs> [[Turi ip ip ip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118913&oldid=118912 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+69) Rectified the truth-machine example which was inflicted with several errors, including character outputs in lieu of the numeric counterparts and a comma for a requisite semicolon.
00:07:55 <esolangs> [[Turi ip ip ip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118914&oldid=118913 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+3251) Supplemented three example programs, namely, (1) a Hello, World! printer, (2) a repeating cat program, and (3) a looping counter.
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07:24:26 <zzo38> There is a lot of wind storm today, and the lights sometimes dim. Furthermore, it sounds like something is wrong with the fan in the computer. I have a surge protector, but the battery doesn't work (although it has three plugs that are surge protection only, and those ones do work). Is it best to leave the computer on or to disconnect it (and the router) until I can clean it tomorrow?
07:25:02 <zzo38> The temperature and SMART diagnostics are OK (although the temperature is a bit higher than before, it isn't near the threshold).
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08:10:55 <esolangs> [['xxx' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118916&oldid=118782 * MihaiEso * (+159) /* C */ Added a Batch interpreter!
08:11:42 <esolangs> [['xxx' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118917&oldid=118916 * MihaiEso * (+13) /* Batch */ Formatted the code as preformatted text.
08:12:41 <esolangs> [[Bash: foo: No such file or directory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118918&oldid=118915 * MihaiEso * (+14) Added a another name.
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08:43:18 <esolangs> [[Bfcompress]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118920&oldid=101443 * MihaiEso * (+34)
08:43:20 <esolangs> [[CompressedBF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118921&oldid=111557 * MihaiEso * (+34)
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08:48:32 <esolangs> [[BrainZ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118923&oldid=112947 * MihaiEso * (+34) /* Turing completeness */
08:48:36 <esolangs> [[CompressedBF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118924&oldid=118921 * MihaiEso * (+20) /* Interpreter */ Is in binary format.
08:48:40 <esolangs> [[Bfcompress]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118925&oldid=118920 * MihaiEso * (+20) /* Examples */ Is in binary format.
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11:59:43 <esolangs> [[Assembly]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118926 * MihaiEso * (+6412) Created a new esolang!
11:59:44 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118927&oldid=118877 * MihaiEso * (+93) /* A */ Added a new language!
12:00:23 <esolangs> [[Assembly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118928&oldid=118926 * MihaiEso * (+0) /* Truth Machine */ Oops.
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12:03:59 <esolangs> [[Assembly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118930&oldid=118928 * MihaiEso * (+51) Fixed syntax.
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15:49:02 <b_jonas> fungot, do you have any carbon fiber reinforced parts, or are you all fiberglass?
15:49:02 <fungot> b_jonas: sil. oh thou vilde king, giue me vp the keyes,
15:49:04 <esolangs> [[Quebe]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=118931 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+830) Created page with "Quebe ('''Que'''ue of '''B'''yt'''e'''s) is an esolang which is inspired by [[ResPlicate]] by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] ==Description== Quebe uses a queue made out of bytes and has initial state which is an nonempty string. ===Execution=== At each step, a symbol is
16:19:18 <esolangs> [[I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118932&oldid=111514 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+17) Undo revision 111514 by [[Special:Contributions/Yetyetty1234567890|Yetyetty1234567890]] ([[User talk:Yetyetty1234567890|talk]])
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16:56:03 <esolangs> [[Llec]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=118934&oldid=115537 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1)
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18:37:05 <int-e> example99: can you cut that out on your own or do you need help?
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18:39:22 <example99> int-e: it was a joke using /slap myself
18:43:08 <example99> int-e:do the /slap command on your worst enemy
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18:43:50 <int-e> But where's the fun in that for us?
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18:44:05 <int-e> You can do that somewhere else if you feel the need to amuse yourself.
18:44:41 <example99> using /srv you can reveal the server i have
18:46:54 <example99> that was /svr in action it is short for SerVeR
18:47:33 <int-e> Look, you know as well as I do that it doesn't.
18:47:59 <example99> TRY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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05:35:03 <zzo38_> If you have a set of i.i.d. random variables, and you have the probability distribution of one of them, what is the resulting probability distribution of one of them once the random variables have been sorted, and how to calculate it from the arbitrary starting probability distribution and how many they are?
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05:38:21 <zzo38_> (For example, if the probability distribution is zero 50% of the time and one 50% of the time, and there is two of them, then the probability distribution of the lowest one is zero 75% of the time and one 25% of the time. But, that is a simple case and is easy to calculate, since there is only two i.i.d. random variables.)
05:39:11 <zzo38_> (Is there a simple way to do more generally, e.g. if you roll 4d6 drop lowest ten times, what is the probability distribution of the second highest result? That is just an example, of course.)
05:45:50 <b_jonas> zzo38_: I think if the distribution of each variable has a continuous PDF of f(x) = P(X<x), and you have n of these that you sort than the one at position k will have a PDF of q_k(x) = f(x)↑(n-k) * (1-f(x))↑k * binom(n,k). if the distribution (i.e. its PDF) isn't continuous then I think it gets somewhat more complicated beacuse of ties.
05:50:08 <b_jonas> Beta nonsense, I don't think I really understand hnw it works.
05:50:38 <b_jonas> which is sad because I'm probably the one on this channel who should.
05:57:46 <b_jonas> zzo38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_statistic may be relevant
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09:42:13 <int-e> what a bothersome question... apparently
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10:40:57 <example99> btw i use 'elite' theme a darkmode that i loooooooove
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15:20:38 <int-e> I prefer to have none of that mircy business.
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15:29:56 <ais523> example99: you are mostly just annoying the ops with this sort of thing
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16:22:00 <b_jonas> https://www.righto.com/2023/11/reverse-engineering-intel-386.html => whoa, he's tackling the 80386 now? but that is a huge chip, much more complicated than the 8086 and other small chips that he's examined earlier. it has associative caches and a lot of othe magic.
16:25:55 <b_jonas> incidentally, even if you don't care about most of that blog, https://www.righto.com/2023/08/datapoint-to-8086.html is a very useful resource that specifically explains how the originalal 8086 instruction set got its historical baggage from the z80 and even earlier cpus
16:27:22 <b_jonas> retrocomputing is just weird
16:28:00 <b_jonas> and sure, I know we have this kind of decade-long transitive compatibility historical baggage not just in hardware but software
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16:30:44 <example99> Scientific papers about thought experiments with several participants often used letters to identify them, A, B, and C, etc.
16:30:44 <example99> The first mention of Alice and Bob in the context of cryptography was in Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman's 1978 article "A method for obtaining digital signatures and public-key cryptosystems."[2] They wrote, "For our scenarios we suppose that A and B (also known as Alice and Bob) are two users of a public-key cryptosystem".[2]: 121 Previous to
16:30:44 <example99> this article, cryptographers typically referred to message senders and receivers as A and B, or other simple symbols. In fact, in the two previous articles by Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman, introducing the RSA cryptosystem, there is no mention of Alice and Bob.[4][5] Possibly the choice of the first three names came from the film Bob & Carol & Ted &
16:30:44 <example99> Within a few years, however, references to Alice and Bob in cryptological literature became a common trope. Cryptographers would often begin their academic papers with reference to Alice and Bob. For instance, Michael Rabin began his 1981 paper, "Bob and Alice each have a secret, SB and SA, respectively, which they want to exchange."[7] Early on,
16:30:44 <example99> Alice and Bob were starting to appear in other domains, such as in Manuel Blum's 1981 article, "Coin Flipping by Telephone: A Protocol for Solving Impossible Problems," which begins, "Alice and Bob want to flip a coin by telephone."[8]
16:30:45 <example99> Although Alice and Bob were invented with no reference to their personality, authors soon began adding colorful descriptions. In 1983, Blum invented a backstory about a troubled relationship between Alice and Bob, writing, "Alice and Bob, recently divorced, mutually distrustful, still do business together. They live on opposite coasts, communicate
16:30:45 <example99> mainly by telephone, and use their computers to transact business over the telephone."[9] In 1984, John Gordon delivered his famous[10] "After Dinner Speech" about Alice and Bob, which he imagines to be the first "definitive biography of Alice and Bob."[11]
16:30:46 <example99> In addition to adding backstories and personalities to Alice and Bob, authors soon added other characters, with their own personalities. The first to be added was Eve, the "eavesdropper." Eve was invented in 1988 by Charles Bennet, Gilles Brassard, and Jean-Marc Robert, in their paper, "Privacy Amplification by Public Discussion."[12] In Bruce
16:30:46 <example99> Schneier's book Applied Cryptography, other characters are listed.[13]
16:30:48 <example99> Scientific papers about thought experiments with several participants often used letters to identify them, A, B, and C, etc.
16:30:48 <example99> The first mention of Alice and Bob in the context of cryptography was in Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman's 1978 article "A method for obtaining digital signatures and public-key cryptosystems."[2] They wrote, "For our scenarios we suppose that A and B (also known as Alice and Bob) are two users of a public-key cryptosystem".[2]: 121 Previous to
16:30:49 <example99> this article, cryptographers typically referred to message senders and receivers as A and B, or other simple symbols. In fact, in the two previous articles by Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman, introducing the RSA cryptosystem, there is no mention of Alice and Bob.[4][5] Possibly the choice of the first three names came from the film Bob & Carol & Ted &
16:30:50 <example99> Within a few years, however, references to Alice and Bob in cryptological literature became a common trope. Cryptographers would often begin their academic papers with reference to Alice and Bob. For instance, Michael Rabin began his 1981 paper, "Bob and Alice each have a secret, SB and SA, respectively, which they want to exchange."[7] Early on,
16:30:50 <example99> Alice and Bob were starting to appear in other domains, such as in Manuel Blum's 1981 article, "Coin Flipping by Telephone: A Protocol for Solving Impossible Problems," which begins, "Alice and Bob want to flip a coin by telephone."[8]
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16:32:05 <b_jonas> eh, like leave it on quiet
16:32:10 <int-e> "<example99> hi! pls unquiet me that was just a test for huge messages"
16:33:33 <int-e> they've played around with /cycle earlier and +q doesn't prevent that
16:33:54 <b_jonas> some of the historical quirks are annoying. like a very long time ago, C or unix, I don't know which, decided that it's OK if divison by zero or overflow in integer division raises a trap that might kill the process. I don't know if this comes from a hardware implementation of divison. it's inconvenient, it would be much better for everyone if integer division never raised a trap, but we can't get rid
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16:34:16 <b_jonas> int-e: oh, I didn't notice that. then fine.
16:35:31 <b_jonas> and now, because of that stupid legacy, I can crash our production system by just computing &H80000000&\-1 in the badly implemented VBS interpreter.
16:37:12 <b_jonas> VBS raises an error for divison by zero, but for some reason not in that case. why would they program it like that? probably originally because the whole giant industrial software was put together by cheap intern code monkeys, and then for the next three decades they don't dare to modify any part of it in later releases, only add new things, because they fear breaking compatibility with existing code.
16:37:52 <b_jonas> because https://xkcd.com/1172/ , every change is an incompatible change
16:38:25 <b_jonas> and my dayjob is to try to work around this stupid huge software that crashes all the time and I have no way to know why
16:39:12 <b_jonas> I don't think the VBS divison overflow has come up in the actual system, that was just something I discovered when experimenting, the crashes are much less reproducable and so much harder to isolate sadly.
16:44:46 <b_jonas> ... or maybe the 386 doesn't actually have an associative cache for general data/code, only for paging and segmenting. oops
16:44:56 <b_jonas> for some reason I thought it had general data cache.
16:45:14 <int-e> FWIW the IP isn't stable so I suppose they'll be back tomorrow.
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17:51:24 <zzo38_> What do you think would be better for division by zero? (I had been writing my own ideas about operating system design, that it can be one differently if it is possible with the instruction set, although note that different instruction sets are possible.)
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17:59:35 <zzo38_> (This is, if the program is still written in C; although, I am not sure there is a better way in C)
18:01:16 <zzo38_> (since if the program continues from where the error occurs, then that can also be a problem as well as not knowing what the result of a division by zero is (although uxn defines division by zero to be zero))
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18:21:48 <b_jonas> https://www.righto.com/2023/10/intel-386-die-versions.html is explicit about the no data/code cache
18:23:18 <int-e> yeah you just had the prefetch queue
18:24:53 <int-e> Which was like 16 bytes long? You could actually measure it with self-modifying code because memory writes would not invalidate the prefetched data
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18:34:16 <b_jonas> zzo38: if you were to design it anew, then in a C-like language it would be better if integer division by zero or division overflow just gave some integer result. it would be nontrivial to do this now, because on existing systems, a program can actually rely on the division trap, eg. catch the unix signal and handle it in a definte way. it might still be possible with some library stack unrolling magic
18:34:22 <b_jonas> in the signal handler, but might not be worth. in a new high-level interpreted language, I think the best would still be to return some integer, but raising a high-level exception would also work. for the VBS implementation that I complained about, probably just change it to raise a division by zero error, it's much better than a crash.
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18:38:48 <zzo38_> Uxn (which is not a C-like language) does define division by zero to result in zero; it is defined like that so that error traps are not possible.
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19:00:05 <ais523> declarative languages have a very good solution to division by zero: division of a nonzero number by zero fails, division of zero by zero produces an unbound variable
19:00:24 <ais523> (and presumably dividing an unbound variable by zero binds that variable to 0, although I don't think I've ever tested that case)
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19:48:52 <zzo38_> What programming language does that? (I can understand the sense of doing that, but I don't know what programming language that is?)
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19:56:45 <b_jonas> ais523: that sounds great in theory, until you try to write a prolog program that does a conditional on a numeric comparison like (B, C < D -> E ; F), some unrelated code before the comparison fails to match unexpectedly, and your program now silently behaves as if that numeric comparison gave false, and you hunt the bug for hours. this is one of several reasons why my Olvashato transpiler gives such
19:56:51 <b_jonas> ugly prolog code: it tries to avoid that failure mode really hard, and add an abort after every =/2 match or arithmetic comparison, and since it's a very simple transpiler, it can basically never prove that the abort can be eliminated.
19:57:41 <b_jonas> It can't prove deconsing matches irrefutable because that would require implementing an algebraic type system.
19:59:17 <b_jonas> zzo38: prolog mostly, also languages that inherit prolog failure semantics, namely Oz and Brachylog
19:59:56 <b_jonas> for Brachylog there'd be no problem because it's a golf language so unexpected silent weird semantics for errors is acceptible
20:00:10 <b_jonas> but Prolog is used for serious programming too, and there it's not
20:04:37 <b_jonas> there might be also a language that inherits prolog's failure and retries semantics but doesn't have prolog's recursive term unification, but I haven't seen such a language
20:05:56 <b_jonas> it'd still need prolog-like variable that are single-assignment but unassigned on a rollback from failure
20:06:35 <b_jonas> just, like, without such variables appearing in any slot argument of a term
20:10:47 <b_jonas> https://www.righto.com/2023/10/intel-386-die-versions.html => OH! that explains a lot about the 386 SX versus 386 DX. I assumed they were the same thing except that one had the equivalent of the 80287 coprocessor built in, but they are actually much more different.
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20:14:19 <int-e> No. The SX and DX that were almost the same were the 486DX and the 486SX that lacked coprocessor support. Oh and early 487 coprocessors were also essentially full 486DX, IIRC. Also IIRC the 486SX were 486DX whose FPU was faulty (didn't pass quality control).
20:20:32 <int-e> But I didn't know that their primary reason for the 386 SX was chip packaging... that's wild.
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20:20:54 <int-e> Then again so is the thought of a 64 bit RAM for $99.
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20:26:49 <b_jonas> ah, so apparently the 486 DX is the ones that has a 80287-equivalent coprocessor built into it, whereas the 487 SX doesn't
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20:27:37 <b_jonas> "early 487 coprocessors" => did those exist? I assumed that by that time the coprocessor is either built-in or software-emulated, no point to have it as a separate chip.
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20:32:10 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X87#80487
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20:32:31 <int-e> b_jonas: You're not wrong: "When installed into an i486SX system, the i487 disabled the main CPU and took over all CPU operations." :-P
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11:43:00 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119093&oldid=118988 * None1 * (+11) /* O */
11:50:05 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119094&oldid=118819 * None1 * (+51) /* My Esolangs */
12:07:32 <esolangs> [[OCPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119095&oldid=119090 * None1 * (+15) /* Languages */
12:08:27 <esolangs> [[OCPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119096&oldid=119095 * None1 * (-2)
12:08:54 <esolangs> [[OCPL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119097&oldid=119096 * None1 * (+56) /* Members */
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12:10:34 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119098&oldid=113010 * None1 * (+0)
12:11:06 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119099&oldid=119098 * None1 * (+30) /* See also */
12:11:20 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119100&oldid=119099 * None1 * (+11) /* See also */
12:11:46 <esolangs> [[OCPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119101&oldid=119097 * None1 * (+25) /* Dimensions */
12:16:13 <esolangs> [[Super Yellow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119102&oldid=119087 * LTHCTheMaster * (+22)
12:19:07 <esolangs> [[OCPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119103&oldid=119101 * None1 * (+12) Add pronounciation
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12:56:43 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119104 * None1 * (+1922) New esolang!
12:57:44 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119105&oldid=119093 * None1 * (+14) /* E */
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12:58:36 <esolangs> [[CharCode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119106&oldid=118634 * Azwid * (+1962)
12:58:55 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119107&oldid=119094 * None1 * (+60) /* My Esolangs */
13:02:08 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119108&oldid=119104 * None1 * (+280) /* Examples */
13:03:44 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119109&oldid=119108 * None1 * (+59) /* Variables */
13:04:17 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119110&oldid=119109 * None1 * (+2) /* Literals */
13:05:20 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119111&oldid=119110 * None1 * (+77) /* Examples */
13:05:46 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119112&oldid=119111 * None1 * (+0)
13:06:46 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119113&oldid=119112 * None1 * (+92) /* Alternative */
13:07:30 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119114&oldid=119113 * None1 * (-2) /* I/O */
13:07:46 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119115&oldid=119114 * None1 * (-3) /* Alternative */
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13:10:03 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119117&oldid=118024 * None1 * (+40) +enGLish
13:11:06 <esolangs> [[Super Yellow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119118&oldid=119116 * LTHCTheMaster * (+3)
13:11:10 <esolangs> [[User:XKCD Random Number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119119&oldid=118863 * None1 * (+149) /* Deadfish */
13:12:52 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119120&oldid=118850 * None1 * (+340) /* C++ */
13:14:45 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119121&oldid=119115 * None1 * (+116) /* Examples */
13:15:15 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119122&oldid=119121 * None1 * (-36) /* Add more examples, please! */ I think 'tis enough
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13:22:59 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119125&oldid=119124 * None1 * (-1) /* Literals */
13:34:04 <esolangs> [[Super Yellow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119126&oldid=119118 * LTHCTheMaster * (+9) /* Variable Types */
13:34:06 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119127&oldid=118604 * MihaiEso * (+68) /* Quine */ Added a cheating quine example.
13:34:28 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119128&oldid=119125 * None1 * (+56) /* Examples */
13:42:06 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119129&oldid=119127 * MihaiEso * (+57)
13:42:59 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119130&oldid=119129 * MihaiEso * (+27) /* See also */ No implementation yet!
13:44:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:EnGLish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119131 * MihaiEso * (+238) Created page with "==Add a cat program== [[User:None1|@None1]] You should add a cat program because the language has input & output, like in [[!English]]. Add it. Thanks! ~~~~"
13:45:47 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119132&oldid=119130 * MihaiEso * (+4) /* FizzBuzz */ Made it a link!
13:46:08 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119133&oldid=119132 * MihaiEso * (+4) /* Hello, world! */ Made it a link!
13:46:19 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119134&oldid=119133 * MihaiEso * (+4) /* Truth machine */ Made it a link!
13:46:39 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119135&oldid=119134 * MihaiEso * (+16) /* Cat */ Made it a link!
13:46:55 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119136&oldid=119135 * MihaiEso * (+5) /* Quine */ Made it a link!
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14:04:32 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119138&oldid=119137 * None1 * (+21) /* Control flow */
14:04:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119139&oldid=119131 * None1 * (+93) /* Add a cat program */
14:05:52 <esolangs> [[Super Yellow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119140&oldid=119126 * LTHCTheMaster * (+1043)
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16:00:38 <esolangs> [[Talk:EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119147&oldid=119139 * MihaiEso * (+284)
16:00:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119148&oldid=119147 * MihaiEso * (+1) Comma.
16:01:33 <esolangs> [[Talk:EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119149&oldid=119148 * MihaiEso * (+0) Comma instead of a dot.
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16:15:55 <esolangs> [[Numberfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119150 * MihaiEso * (+4466) Created page with "'''Numberfuck''' is a esolang made by Mihai Popa. It's [[Brainfuck]], but you only use numbers instead of symbols to make programs. == Table == {| class="wikitable" !Command !Brainfuck equivalent !Description |- | style="text-align:center"| <code>1</code> || style
16:15:57 <esolangs> [[Numberfuck/Rickroll]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119151 * MihaiEso * (+12322) Created page with "This program in '''Numberfuck''' prints all lyrics of the song [[Never Gonna Give You Up]]: <pre> 1113333333372233333333333114822453333333333333351133333337224444444441148223511333337223333333333333331148225444444444444451133333337224444444444114822351133
16:15:59 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119152&oldid=119105 * MihaiEso * (+17) /* N */ Added a new esolang!
16:17:21 <esolangs> [[Category:Rickrolling]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119153 * MihaiEso * (+129) Created page with "A category, well for rickrolling people. Contains programs that print some or all lyrics of the song [[Never Gonna Give You Up]]."
16:18:07 <esolangs> [[Numberfuck/Rickroll]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119154&oldid=119151 * MihaiEso * (+132)
16:19:04 <esolangs> [[Numberfuck/Rickroll]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119155&oldid=119154 * MihaiEso * (+39)
16:21:30 <esolangs> [[Never Gonna Give You Up]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119156&oldid=98809 * MihaiEso * (+47) Added a Numberfuck implementation!
16:21:45 <esolangs> [[Never Gonna Give You Up]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119157&oldid=119156 * MihaiEso * (+4) Fixed syntax.
16:22:11 <esolangs> [[Numberfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119158&oldid=119150 * MihaiEso * (+13) /* Hello, World! */
16:23:16 <esolangs> [[Number****]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119159 * MihaiEso * (+24) Redirected page to [[Numberfuck]]
16:28:25 <esolangs> [[Super Yellow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119160&oldid=119143 * LTHCTheMaster * (+1002)
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16:36:44 <esolangs> [[Numberfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119163&oldid=119158 * MihaiEso * (+86) /* Examples */ Added another example.
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19:20:49 <int-e> b_jonas: hmm, playing with shapez once more, designing a ROM. It's funny how a fully associative and the standard row/column select designs end up with the same cell size: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-rom.png (fully associative will be better if the ROM is small or sparsely populated)
19:22:26 <esolangs> [[Teleport]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119172 * Infinitehexagon * (+411) Created page with "'''Teleport''' is a 2-dimensional esoteric language created by [[User:Infinitehexagon]] that changes direction in 2 areas; left and right and uses a portal to change lines. ==Syntax== All programs start at <code>></code> and end with <code>v</code>. Here is an
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19:36:32 <esolangs> [[Super Yellow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119176&oldid=119160 * LTHCTheMaster * (+461)
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20:31:47 <esolangs> [[Teleport]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119184&oldid=119183 * Infinitehexagon * (+3) /* Hello world */
20:32:06 <esolangs> [[Teleport]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119185&oldid=119184 * Infinitehexagon * (+2) /* Hello world */
20:32:45 <b_jonas> int-e: hehe. (Factorio is so much better in that particular thing, ROM can be very compact.)
20:34:10 <b_jonas> int-e: can it get more compact if you store two values, with two separate read wires, in parallel for every address? you'd save on address comparators but I'm not sure how large it would lay out as
20:35:03 <esolangs> [[User:Infinitehexagon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119186&oldid=118394 * Infinitehexagon * (+17) /* My Esolangs (chronological order) */
20:35:26 <esolangs> [[Teleport]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119187&oldid=119185 * Infinitehexagon * (+1) /* Cat program */
20:35:39 <esolangs> [[Teleport]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119188&oldid=119187 * Infinitehexagon * (+1) /* Cat program */
20:35:59 <esolangs> [[Teleport]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119189&oldid=119188 * Infinitehexagon * (+6) /* Cat program */
20:36:10 <esolangs> [[Teleport]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119190&oldid=119189 * Infinitehexagon * (+7) /* Truth machine */
20:39:57 <int-e> b_jonas: Hmm, in the row select scheme you'd get 2 values in a 3x4 cell (you need an extra column for the extra output wire, and an extra row for the additional transistor), same density...
20:41:56 <int-e> b_jonas: At least the way I'm picturing it: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-rom2.png
20:43:05 <int-e> But I don't think that I need more than one shape's worth of information for what I have in mind for this. I mean, ignoring holes you have a whopping 80 bits of information.
20:45:49 <int-e> Oh you can save a crossover if you use the wires to the sides of each cell. I don't think that matters for anything though.
20:51:21 <int-e> Updated the image to actually do column selection too... I think the layout favors using wires to one side of each cell.
20:56:22 <int-e> Holes add very little, you get 0.71 extra bits.
21:06:50 <int-e> b_jonas: Oh and you can store values more compactly if you build a shift register (a loop made of transistors with constant 1 input) but both populating it and reading it would be a nightmare.
21:08:25 <b_jonas> yes, the shift register would be terrible
21:08:42 <int-e> And the values would be constantly changing which is probably expensive? I don't know whether the wire layer looks at all logic blocks or only logic blocks whose input changed in the previous tick.
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21:29:21 <int-e> b_jonas: Oh and you could get even higher density with a belt. But then the data wouldn't survive saves and restores unless you're extremely careful. Eww. :) (It /is/ possible to preserve all items and still be able to access them with a blocked filter. In any case... no, I'm *not* going there.)
21:32:12 <int-e> Did you see the pinball machine video on Technology Connections? That was a fun one.
21:32:39 <int-e> (I even watched the follow-up on Connextras)
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21:51:30 <b_jonas> int-e: one or two yes, I think the series isn't complete yet
21:51:55 <b_jonas> it's weird to see these old electromechanical contraptions, I find the mechanical parts creepy
21:52:10 <b_jonas> I mean when the mechanical part is used as memory or logic that is
21:52:58 <int-e> they function like clockwork
21:53:32 <b_jonas> yes, and I find clockwork creepy
21:53:49 <int-e> Hmm, can't relate.
21:54:04 <esolangs> [[GotoScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119191&oldid=119167 * Quito0567alt * (+54)
21:54:19 <esolangs> [[GotoScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119192&oldid=119191 * Quito0567alt * (+1) /* Deadfish interpreter */
21:54:45 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119193&oldid=119061 * Quito0567alt * (+4785) /* GotoScript */
21:55:10 <b_jonas> kind of like how in https://esolangs.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer even the CPU registers are made of magnetic cores, they aren't using flip-flops made of solid-state transistors even though all the logic is solid-state transistor-based ICs; but using mechanical for logic is way worse than using magnetic core for registers.
21:55:43 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119194&oldid=119193 * Quito0567alt * (+36) /* GotoScript */
21:56:41 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119195&oldid=119194 * Quito0567alt * (-4765)
21:56:52 <esolangs> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119196&oldid=119195 * Quito0567alt * (+1) /* GotoScript */
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22:08:07 <esolangs> [[Blip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119199&oldid=119198 * PiggyPig * (+536) Add "99 bottles of bear" and formating
22:08:41 <esolangs> [[Blip]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119200&oldid=119199 * PiggyPig * (+2) minor edit
22:21:51 <esolangs> [[Blip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119201&oldid=119200 * PiggyPig * (-11) Factorial Example and formating
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22:27:08 <esolangs> [[Blip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119203&oldid=119202 * Quito0567alt * (-11)
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22:54:53 <esolangs> [[Numberfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119204&oldid=119163 * None1 * (+30) /* Computational class */
22:57:18 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119205&oldid=119138 * None1 * (+23) /* Cat program */
23:04:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119206&oldid=119149 * None1 * (+202) Timezone problems
23:07:44 <esolangs> [[4 bits, unlimited bytes]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119207 * TheBigH * (+1420) Page created.
23:08:05 <esolangs> [[4 bits, 8 bytes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119208&oldid=118857 * TheBigH * (+30) 4 bits, unlimited bytes.
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09:28:49 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119218&oldid=119205 * None1 * (+56) /* Cheating Quine */
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09:49:50 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * DaMutasimos * New user account
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10:12:33 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119222&oldid=119221 * None1 * (+16) /* Commands */
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10:33:45 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119225&oldid=119224 * None1 * (+368) /* Type conversions */
10:34:11 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119226&oldid=119225 * None1 * (+3) /* Commands */
10:36:09 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119227&oldid=119226 * None1 * (+100) /* Type conversions */
10:37:39 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119228&oldid=119227 * None1 * (+130) /* Commands */
10:38:02 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119229&oldid=119228 * None1 * (+16) /* Commands */
10:40:51 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119230&oldid=119229 * None1 * (+220) /* Type conversions */
10:43:15 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119231&oldid=119230 * None1 * (+140) /* Commands */
10:44:13 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119232&oldid=119231 * None1 * (+89) /* Examples */
10:45:04 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119233&oldid=119232 * None1 * (+56) /* Examples */
10:47:25 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119234&oldid=119233 * None1 * (+77) /* Type conversions */
10:48:09 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119235&oldid=119234 * None1 * (-3210)
10:48:58 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119236 * None1 * (+3301) Created page with "UTC+8 is a [[:Category:Pseudonatural|Pseudonatural]], [[:Category:CJK|CJK]] esolang invented by [[User:None1]]. ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" |+ Commands explain themselves in Chinese |- ! Command !! English explaination |- | (//) || Read an integer/a line of string/a
10:49:31 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119237&oldid=119152 * None1 * (+12) /* U */
10:50:09 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119238&oldid=119107 * None1 * (+44) /* My Esolangs */
10:51:11 <esolangs> [[Talk:EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119239&oldid=119217 * None1 * (+83)
10:51:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119240&oldid=119239 * None1 * (+80)
10:52:44 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119241&oldid=119236 * None1 * (+58) /* Priority */
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10:52:54 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119242&oldid=119241 * None1 * (-1) /* Priority */
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10:54:04 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119243&oldid=119242 * None1 * (+46) /* Commands */
10:55:50 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119244&oldid=119243 * None1 * (+23) /* Commands */
10:57:10 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119245&oldid=119244 * None1 * (+88) /* Examples */
10:57:25 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119246&oldid=119245 * None1 * (-46) /* Commands */
11:00:37 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119247&oldid=119246 * None1 * (+57) /* Examples */
11:03:07 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119248&oldid=119247 * None1 * (+83) /* Commands */
11:03:28 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119249&oldid=119248 * None1 * (+0) /* Commands */
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11:27:02 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119250&oldid=119249 * None1 * (+294) /* Examples */ Added [[FizzBuzz]] example
11:29:37 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119251&oldid=119250 * MihaiEso * (+493) /* FizzBuzz */
11:29:51 <esolangs> [[EnGLish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119252&oldid=119218 * None1 * (+14) Add pronounciation
11:30:09 <esolangs> [[Talk:UTC+8]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119253 * MihaiEso * (+148) Created page with "I'm adding what Google Translate says these programs. Thanks! ~~~~"
11:31:22 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119254&oldid=119251 * MihaiEso * (+85) /* A+B problem */
11:32:12 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119255&oldid=119254 * MihaiEso * (+131) /* 10x10 ASCII square */
11:32:56 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119256&oldid=119255 * MihaiEso * (+106) /* Counter */
11:34:19 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119257&oldid=119256 * None1 * (+30) /* FizzBuzz */
11:34:30 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119258&oldid=119257 * MihaiEso * (+134) /* Truth Machine */
11:35:03 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119259&oldid=119258 * MihaiEso * (+74) /* Cat program */
11:35:50 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119260&oldid=119259 * MihaiEso * (+73) /* Hello World */
11:36:19 <esolangs> [[Talk:UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119261&oldid=119253 * MihaiEso * (+102)
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11:43:49 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119262&oldid=119260 * None1 * (+4264) /* Examples */ Added an example of rickrolling
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12:08:05 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119263&oldid=119262 * None1 * (+21) /* Rickrolling */
12:09:05 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119264&oldid=119263 * None1 * (+1) /* Syntax */
12:10:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119265&oldid=119261 * None1 * (+140)
12:11:48 <esolangs> [[Never Gonna Give You Up]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119266&oldid=119157 * None1 * (+61) /* Implementations */
12:15:20 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119267&oldid=119264 * None1 * (+26) /* Counter */
12:15:38 <esolangs> [[Talk:UTC+8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119268&oldid=119265 * None1 * (+13)
12:18:11 <esolangs> [[Never Gonna Give You Up]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119269&oldid=119266 * None1 * (+1808)
12:19:38 <esolangs> [[Super Yellow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119270&oldid=119176 * LTHCTheMaster * (+182)
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12:24:59 <esolangs> [[User talk:LTHCTheMaster/common.css]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119271 * None1 * (+95) Created page with "What is this??? --~~~~"
13:01:56 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119272&oldid=119267 * None1 * (+148) /* Examples */ Added [[Disan Count]] example
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13:05:17 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119274&oldid=119272 * None1 * (+3) /* Disan Count */
13:05:44 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119275&oldid=119274 * None1 * (+34) /* Commands */
13:05:53 <esolangs> [[Super Yellow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119276&oldid=119270 * LTHCTheMaster * (+179)
13:07:31 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119277&oldid=119275 * None1 * (+191) /* Examples */
13:08:18 <esolangs> [[Looping counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119278&oldid=118017 * None1 * (+90) /* Examples */
13:08:30 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119279&oldid=119277 * None1 * (+3) /* Looping counter */
13:11:42 <esolangs> [[Stack-based]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119280&oldid=118009 * None1 * (+37)
13:12:31 <esolangs> [[Stack based]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119281&oldid=109448 * None1 * (+38)
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13:20:55 <esolangs> [[Template:Lang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119282 * None1 * (+311) Brief introduction to an esolang
13:21:04 <esolangs> [[Template:Lang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119283&oldid=119282 * None1 * (+1)
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13:28:53 <esolangs> [[Template:Lang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119288&oldid=119287 * None1 * (+175)
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14:30:16 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119289&oldid=119279 * MihaiEso * (+4433) /* Rickrolling (computer generated) */
14:32:22 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119290&oldid=119289 * MihaiEso * (+235) /* Disan Count */
14:32:46 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119291&oldid=119290 * MihaiEso * (+51) /* Nope. interpreter */
14:33:10 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119292&oldid=119291 * MihaiEso * (+63) /* Output {{np}} infinitely */
14:34:21 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119293&oldid=119292 * MihaiEso * (+227) /* Looping counter */
14:35:37 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119294&oldid=119293 * MihaiEso * (+79) /* FizzBuzz */ Updated the FizzBuzz translation from Google Translate.
14:36:18 <esolangs> [[UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119295&oldid=119294 * MihaiEso * (+26) /* Counter */ Updated the Counter translation from Google Translate.
14:38:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:UTC+8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119296&oldid=119268 * MihaiEso * (+197)
14:39:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119297&oldid=118545 * MihaiEso * (+87) Oops, I forgot to add a signature. Added it!
14:40:30 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119298&oldid=118845 * MihaiEso * (+77) Added a new esolang!
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14:45:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:EnGLish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119299&oldid=119240 * MihaiEso * (+151)
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15:48:52 <esolangs> [[A very minimal esolang with a very few amount of instructions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119300&oldid=118999 * 0ptr * (+511)
15:49:56 <esolangs> [[A very minimal esolang with a very few amount of instructions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119301&oldid=119300 * 0ptr * (-133)
15:50:51 <esolangs> [[A very minimal esolang with a very few amount of instructions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119302&oldid=119301 * 0ptr * (-42)
15:54:09 <esolangs> [[A very minimal esolang with a very few amount of instructions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119303&oldid=119302 * 0ptr * (+61)
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15:55:36 <esolangs> [[A very minimal esolang with a very few amount of instructions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119304&oldid=119303 * 0ptr * (+82)
16:16:08 <esolangs> [[Rulesystem]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119305&oldid=94795 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-104) Lowercase, category
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16:18:38 <esolangs> [[BFQ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119306&oldid=75701 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+32) Stub, category
16:19:54 <esolangs> [[A very minimal esolang with a very few amount of instructions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119307&oldid=119304 * 0ptr * (+1266)
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16:25:15 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Cel7t * New user account
16:25:48 <esolangs> [[A very minimal esolang with a very few amount of instructions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119308&oldid=119307 * 0ptr * (+8)
16:27:37 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119309&oldid=119220 * Cel7t * (+64) /* Introductions */
16:28:24 <esolangs> [[A very minimal esolang with a very few amount of instructions]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119310&oldid=119308 * 0ptr * (+48)
16:29:00 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119311&oldid=119309 * Cel7t * (+78) /* Introductions */
16:30:59 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119312&oldid=119237 * Cel7t * (+15) Added Rational to the list
16:31:59 <esolangs> [[A very minimal esolang with a very few amount of instructions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119313&oldid=119310 * 0ptr * (+18)
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16:46:54 <esolangs> [[Rational]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119315 * Cel7t * (+3910) Initial Commit
16:51:35 <esolangs> [[Rational]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119316&oldid=119315 * Cel7t * (+38)
16:52:59 <esolangs> [[User:Cel7t]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119317 * Cel7t * (+93) Created page with "Hello, I'm cel7t and I'm a Scheme Hacker. I've created the [[Rational]] programming language."
16:53:13 <esolangs> [[Intcode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119318&oldid=79113 * ApisNecros * (+144) /* Example Programs */ Added a factorial calculator
16:54:12 <esolangs> [[User:Cel7t]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119319&oldid=119317 * Cel7t * (+55)
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17:42:51 <esolangs> [[User:PaxtonPenguin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119321&oldid=118893 * PaxtonPenguin * (+70)
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18:41:32 <esolangs> [[Revapp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119322&oldid=117070 * Abo-Junghichi * (+877) mention De Bruijn notation.
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18:56:20 <esolangs> [[Revapp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119323&oldid=119322 * Abo-Junghichi * (+1) typo
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21:25:37 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119325&oldid=119311 * Language Boi * (+166)
21:25:46 <esolangs> [[None]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119326 * Language Boi * (+21) Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=}}"
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21:55:01 <esolangs> [[Minitree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119334&oldid=118736 * Squidmanescape * (+266) /* Version 3 */
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22:07:03 <esolangs> [[None]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119344&oldid=119331 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+83) Distinguish confusion, add categories
22:07:09 <esolangs> [[Minitree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119345&oldid=119334 * Squidmanescape * (+201) /* Version 3 */
22:07:19 <esolangs> [[NONE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119346&oldid=118162 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+31) Distinguish confusion
22:21:20 <esolangs> [[Minitree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119347&oldid=119345 * Squidmanescape * (+143) /* Version 3 */
22:22:08 <esolangs> [[Minitree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119348&oldid=119347 * Squidmanescape * (+187) /* Version 3 */
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22:59:19 <esolangs> [[Minitree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119350&oldid=119349 * Squidmanescape * (+0) /* Version 3 */
23:03:20 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119351&oldid=118321 * None1 * (+134) /* Commands */
23:04:10 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119352&oldid=119351 * None1 * (+33) /* Examples */
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00:10:11 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119353&oldid=119325 * R0fael * (+299) Regestrating R0fael accaunt :D
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02:27:28 <esolangs> [[Minitree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119354&oldid=119350 * Squidmanescape * (+296) /* Version 3 */
02:32:28 <esolangs> [[Minitree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119355&oldid=119354 * Squidmanescape * (+0) /* Truth Machine */ Fixed issue which I just realized existed.
02:36:06 <esolangs> [[Minitree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119356&oldid=119355 * Squidmanescape * (-18) /* Version 3 */ Fixed problem which made certain situations not work.
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03:38:45 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119357&oldid=119353 * Jyamada * (+209) Intro myself
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07:36:02 <esolangs> [[Minitree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119358&oldid=119356 * Squidmanescape * (+0) /* Truth Machine */
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09:45:55 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119359&oldid=119352 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+335) /* Commands */
09:50:54 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119360&oldid=119359 * None1 * (+4) /* Base Specs */ link
09:54:27 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119361&oldid=119360 * None1 * (+180) /* Commands */
09:54:47 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119362&oldid=119361 * None1 * (+26) /* See also */
09:58:49 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119363&oldid=119362 * None1 * (+425) /* Commands */
09:59:22 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119364&oldid=119363 * None1 * (+16) /* Specifications */
09:59:40 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119365&oldid=119364 * None1 * (-1) /* Commands */
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10:03:58 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119366&oldid=119365 * None1 * (+418) /* Commands */ Add third dimension
10:06:32 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119367&oldid=118390 * None1 * (+115) /* Commands */
10:09:09 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119368&oldid=119366 * None1 * (+93) /* Commands */
10:09:24 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119369&oldid=119368 * None1 * (+0) /* Specifications */
10:11:20 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119370&oldid=119369 * None1 * (+238) /* Commands */
10:12:33 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119371&oldid=119370 * None1 * (+96) /* Commands */ Make it more clear
10:13:25 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119372&oldid=119371 * None1 * (+19) /* Examples */
10:13:36 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119373&oldid=119372 * None1 * (+9) /* Quine */
10:14:59 <esolangs> [[BFInfinity]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119374&oldid=119373 * None1 * (+48) /* Examples */
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10:43:30 <esolangs> [[BrainZ++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119375 * None1 * (+1057) Created page with "{{Lang|i=[[BrainZ]] and [[CompressedBF]]|a=User:None1|f=actually a more compressed version of [[BrainZ]]}}. ==Features== Original features are the same, but BrainZ++ has one more feature: Run length encoding. Run length encoding is only for {{cd|+}}, {{cd|-}}, {{cd|<}}
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11:08:09 <esolangs> [[BrainZ++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119376&oldid=119375 * None1 * (+435) /* Features */
11:13:49 <esolangs> [[BrainZ++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119377&oldid=119376 * None1 * (-378)
11:19:13 <esolangs> [[BrainZ++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119378&oldid=119377 * None1 * (-5) /* Features */
11:21:55 <esolangs> [[BrainZ++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119379&oldid=119378 * None1 * (-1109) I gave up
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12:26:24 <esolangs> [[Stack-based]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119380&oldid=119280 * None1 * (+48) /* Errors */
12:27:11 <esolangs> [[Stack-based]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119381&oldid=119380 * None1 * (-48) /* Errors */
12:28:56 <esolangs> [[Stack-based]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119382&oldid=119381 * None1 * (-12) /* Errors */
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13:50:06 <esolangs> [[Stack-based]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119383&oldid=119382 * None1 * (+1) /* Arithmetic */
14:02:35 <esolangs> [[Revapp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119384&oldid=119323 * Abo-Junghichi * (-414) I don't sure whether De Bruijn notation allows redundant brackets.
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16:24:25 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119386&oldid=119357 * Cocosbeans * (+152) /* Introductions */
16:25:07 <esolangs> [[User:Cocosbeans]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119387 * Cocosbeans * (+74) Created page with "Ive been here since at least 2021, maybe earlier<br> https://cocosbeans.me"
16:35:04 <esolangs> [[Translated VBS]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119388 * MihaiEso * (+1278) Created page with "'''Translated VBS''' is a esolang made by Mihai Popa. It's VBS but horribly translated by Baidu+Google Translate+Yandex+Papago+Microsoft (however you can add more or choose a another pair of translators for a even more horrible translation!) Steps: 1. Take this
16:35:27 <esolangs> [[Translated Python]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119389 * MihaiEso * (+2435) Created page with "'''Translated Python''' is a esolang made by Mihai Popa. It's Python but horribly translated by Baidu+Google Translate+Yandex+Papago+Microsoft (however you can add more or choose a another pair of translators for a even more horrible translation!) Steps: 1.
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17:47:53 <esolangs> [[In Your JSON]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119390 * Cocosbeans * (+982) Created page with "[[Category:2023]] [[Category:Implemented]] [[Category:Brainfuck equivalents]] '''In Your JSON''' is an esoteric method of writing [[Brainfuck]] created by [[User:Cocosbeans | Blair Myhre]] in 2023. As the name might suggest, code is written in a JSON file, then t
17:48:29 <esolangs> [[In Your JSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119391&oldid=119390 * Cocosbeans * (+14) specify a little further
17:58:56 <esolangs> [[HA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119392&oldid=24599 * Squidmanescape * (+41) I realized it.
18:04:21 <esolangs> [[Ye Olde Alchemist]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119393&oldid=43227 * Squidmanescape * (+61)
18:09:10 <esolangs> [[Orbit virtual machine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119394 * B jonas * (+1416) Created page with "The '''Orbit virtual machine''' or '''Orbit VM''' is an esoteric programming language used in the ICFP 2009 programming contest. Orbit programs run their instructions in sequence in a loop, and there are no jump instructions that can change this order.
18:09:53 <esolangs> [[Orbit VM]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119395 * B jonas * (+35) Redirected page to [[Orbit virtual machine]]
18:10:47 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119396&oldid=119312 * B jonas * (+28) Orbit virtual machine
18:11:54 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119397&oldid=119396 * B jonas * (+25) /* W */ W (Viktor T. Toth)
18:12:47 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119398&oldid=119397 * B jonas * (+31) /* A */ Apollo Guidance Computer
18:17:00 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119399&oldid=119398 * B jonas * (+46) /* L */[[Lawrence J. Krakauer's decimal computer]]
18:19:18 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119400&oldid=119399 * B jonas * (+31) Amicus, Hyperamicus
18:23:40 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119401&oldid=119400 * B jonas * (+15) /* N */ Nopfunge (I am endorsing this one as featured language so it's time to add to this list)
18:53:50 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119402&oldid=119401 * B jonas * (+51) 1.1, efghij, The Subtyping Machine
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20:02:01 <b_jonas> wait a moment. the ISO 4217 currency code for the polish złoty is PLN because the more obvious PLZ was used for the previous złoty, and similarly the currency code for the new romanian leu is RON because ROL was used for the older one. so far so good. but ISO 4217 is old because banks using electronics is old, it started in 1978. so how come the new Israeli shekel has the code ILS and the old shekel
20:02:07 <b_jonas> ILR despite that in 1978 the old shekel was still active?
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20:45:33 <int-e> b_jonas: Because ILR was added in 2017: https://www.six-group.com/dam/download/financial-information/data-center/iso-currrency/amendments/dl_currency_iso_amendment_164.pdf oh and the entry for ISL read "Isreali Sheqel" before amendmend 99.
20:46:03 <int-e> As far as I can see, they just didn't bother changing it in 1985.
20:52:07 <int-e> Those amendmends are "fun"... a lot of amendmends are from 1990-1995 as the Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union crumbled and there was war in and around Yugoslavia
21:02:10 <esolangs> [[Leocode]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119403 * LEOMOK * (+2362) Created page with "Leocode is a two dimensional programming language invented by me. It is inspired by [[Befunge]], [[Branflakes]], [[SNUSP]] and Calvinball, a game in the Calvin and Hobbes where the rules are made up as the game progresses. Similar to the game mentioned, what each instru
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21:38:33 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119404&oldid=119402 * R0fael * (+13) adding new eso lang IDKHIW
21:47:46 <esolangs> [[Trilime]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119405&oldid=113947 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+9) Stub
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22:19:00 <esolangs> [[Leocode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119406&oldid=119403 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+107) Nowiki, categories
22:21:07 <esolangs> [[Suscript 2.0]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119407&oldid=117797 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+155) Categories
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22:36:08 <b_jonas> int-e: wait, do you mean that the old shekel simply didn't have a code until after it was gone, or that ILS was the code for both shekels?
22:36:31 <b_jonas> not ISL by the way, that would be in iceland
22:48:54 <int-e> b_jonas: Yes, I think ILS just kept being used for the new currency. Of course I wasn't there. Maybe they halted electronic money transfers for a month while switching? Computers were still kind of new.
22:52:44 <esolangs> [[Lawrence J. Krakauer's decimal computer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119408&oldid=96642 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+50) Stub, Wayback, category
22:53:51 <int-e> b_jonas: whoops I think this is a bit too much: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-mem-huge.png
22:54:39 <int-e> > 6*256^2 -- buildings, give or take
22:55:42 <int-e> So it looks like shapez is iterating through all the "electronics" every tick even when nothing is changing.
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22:58:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:IDKHIW]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119410 * R0fael * (+60) new talk
23:09:32 <b_jonas> int-e: can you show a closeup?
23:10:56 <int-e> b_jonas: I erased it, but it was the right design in https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-rom.png, but with 256x256 cells instead of 4x4
23:11:18 <int-e> and I just copied it without actually putting in any meaningful values
23:13:54 <b_jonas> makes sense, because shapez doesn't let you an easy way to load the data to the ROM that you build from an external source
23:13:58 <b_jonas> are you building a RAM too?
23:14:16 <int-e> Not at this point.
23:31:59 <int-e> b_jonas: but just for fun, here's a prototype: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-ram.png ...row selectors come from the right; each column has half the cells on the left and half the cells on the right; the row wire can be used for writing by setting the desired value before switching on the row selector.
23:37:33 <int-e> So that's two cells in a 7x5 block, 17.5 footprint per cell. I expected worse. :)
23:39:24 <int-e> Oh the left-right alternation is actually not necessary
23:44:09 <b_jonas> I wonder what you'll be doing with these rom and ram things. pring text onto a few lines of belts?
23:46:46 <int-e> b_jonas: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-ram2.png same cell, different way of alternating colors
23:47:25 <int-e> I'm pondering how to do the logic for a make absolutely anything machine
23:48:19 <int-e> b_jonas: I think I actually like the first layout better now that I've seen both.
23:48:26 <int-e> despite the zig-zagging.
23:53:23 <int-e> (I redid https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-ram.png with 4x4 cells for direct comparison)
23:54:42 <int-e> wait, can't I just...
23:56:09 <int-e> Ah, no, never mind. Sorry for the noise :)
00:09:03 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119411&oldid=118987 * TheBigH * (+118) Added 4 bits, 8 bytes.
00:10:55 <int-e> b_jonas: Anyway, if you want a RAM, I think this cell design is good. But I won't bother with figuring out the control logic.
00:11:30 <int-e> I really only need a ROM.
00:23:57 <int-e> b_jonas: I was hoping that I could just make a huge table of recipies for the 48432 (out of 2^16) possible shapes (ignoring color and basic shapes), but I'd also like to keep the tick rate below 16ms on my computer... so I'll try to look for something more clever. I'm not too worried about populating a big ROM with data; I already have my own plugin that has code that looks at all the entities...
00:24:03 <int-e> ...currently in game for exporting purposes. Modifying them should be fairly easy.
00:30:30 <int-e> Also I'm not yet sure whether I'll finish this.
00:56:38 <esolangs> [[LibFuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119412 * None1 * (+735) Created page with "{{lang|a=User:None1|i=[[VerboseFuck]]}} ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" |+ Commands |- ! [[Brainfuck]] !! LibFuck |- | + || brainfuck.increment() |- | - || brainfuck.decrement() |- | , || brainfuck.input() |- | . || brainfuck.output() |- | < || brainfuck.left() |- | > ||
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02:39:31 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119422&oldid=119415 * None1 * (+32) /* My Implementations */
02:40:40 <esolangs> [[In Your JSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119423&oldid=119421 * None1 * (+6)
02:47:23 <esolangs> [[Translated VBS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119424&oldid=119388 * None1 * (+27) Uncomputable, because multiple original programs may result in the aame translated program
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04:15:10 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape/Gray Snail Interpreter Links]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119447&oldid=119446 * Squidmanescape * (-1) /* Cyclic Tag (CT) */
04:15:19 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape/Gray Snail Interpreter Links]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119448&oldid=119447 * Squidmanescape * (-1) /* Cyclic Tag (CT)] */
04:28:49 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape/Gray Snail Interpreter Links]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119449&oldid=119448 * Squidmanescape * (+1159) /* Cyclic Tag (CT) */ I think this works because I tested it.
04:32:48 <esolangs> [[EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119450&oldid=118936 * Squidmanescape * (+74) /* Main table */
04:40:44 <esolangs> [[EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119451&oldid=119450 * None1 * (+33) /* Main table */
05:10:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:Translated Python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119452&oldid=119418 * None1 * (+1091)
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05:57:28 <zzo38_> How should the diceprob program be changed so that multidimensional probability distributions can be used? One way would be to make nstates and bias into arrays but then requires rewriting much of it, I think
06:13:33 <esolangs> [[UCanCode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119453&oldid=99923 * Viba1 * (+129) I somehow forgot to document this command. Welp, I'm only like 2 years late to fixing that!
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06:24:11 <qaziquza> As a very green esolanger, I made an account on the wiki. Any way of deleting it? Not sure where the manual is, otherwise I'd RTFM.
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06:59:36 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119456&oldid=112946 * Squidmanescape * (+1)
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07:10:18 <esolangs> [[2Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119458&oldid=108684 * Squidmanescape * (-134) /* Interpreter */
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07:17:21 <esolangs> [[Stack-based]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119460&oldid=119383 * None1 * (+128) /* Example programs */ Added 2 examples
07:22:25 <esolangs> [[Pairpointing]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119461&oldid=119457 * Fazaazafg * (-12)
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08:04:25 <esolangs> [[Stack-based]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119465&oldid=119460 * None1 * (+130) /* Turing completeness */ Implement the esolang in Python and add implemented category
08:05:07 <b_jonas> a huge table for recipes for all possible shapes ignoring color. wow.
08:06:27 <b_jonas> I guess you'll need to add some tricks to make the ROM smaller then
08:10:35 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * None1 * uploaded "[[File:Stack-based.png]]": Logo for [[Stack-based]] esolang
08:14:02 <esolangs> [[Stack-based]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119467&oldid=119465 * None1 * (+438) Added infobox
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11:26:59 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119470&oldid=119427 * None1 * (+27) /* My Implementations */
11:29:08 <esolangs> [[NOPQRST]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119471&oldid=119469 * None1 * (-10) /* Examples */
11:40:37 <esolangs> [[Stack-based+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119472 * None1 * (+1019) Created page with "Stack-based+ is a derivative of [[Stack-based]], its goal is to make progrmming in Stack-based easier. ==Procedures== Programs in Stack-based+ are separated into subprograms called procedures. Two procedures are separated by exactly one blank line. For example: VAR
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11:45:01 <esolangs> [[Stack-based+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119476&oldid=119474 * None1 * (+103)
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13:22:31 <esolangs> [[Translated VBS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119479&oldid=119424 * MihaiEso * (+36) /* See also */
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13:50:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:Translated Python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119484&oldid=119452 * MihaiEso * (+504) /* Hello! */ new section
14:07:08 <esolangs> [[Stack-based]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119485&oldid=119483 * None1 * (+101) /* External resources */
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14:39:23 <esolangs> [[Translated VBS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119492&oldid=119480 * MihaiEso * (+22) /* See also */
14:39:52 <esolangs> [[Translated Python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119493&oldid=119481 * MihaiEso * (+22) /* See also */
14:40:26 <esolangs> [[Translated CSharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119494&oldid=119482 * MihaiEso * (+22) /* See also */
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17:26:28 <esolangs> [[Conditionalism]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119496 * Cocosbeans * (+4288) Created page with "[[Category:2023]] [[Category:Unimplemented]] [[Category:Stack-based]] [[Category:Languages]] '''''Author Note:''' This page is poorly written (by me), please help by suggesting reorganization if possible!''<br><br> '''Conditionalism''' is a stack-based esoteri
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21:31:57 <esolangs> [[2Deadfish/Constants]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119503&oldid=119464 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+20) Back
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22:04:25 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119505&oldid=119477 * PlaceReporter99 * (+0) U+0001 comes first!
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22:55:33 <esolangs> [[User:Jyamada]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119506 * Jyamada * (+33) Created page with "Legally blind hobbyist programmer"
23:00:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:Main Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119507&oldid=97372 * Boinggg * (+192) /* Featured Esolangs */ new section
23:01:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:Main Page]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119508&oldid=119507 * Boinggg * (+1) /* Featured Esolangs */ typoooo
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01:35:36 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119512&oldid=117685 * Squidmanescape * (+31) /* Based on dimensions */
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05:14:50 <b_jonas> does https://xkcd.com/2855/ remind you of https://xkcd.com/552/
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06:47:46 <zzo38_> I have found recently a document about a "Orrery" computer from being mentioned in a Infocom file.
06:47:51 <zzo38_> https://nessie.ilab.sztaki.hu/~kornai/2023/Hopf/Resources/applegate_1985.pdf
06:51:37 <zzo38_> It was a file related to Infocom but not any specific game.
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07:10:04 * Hooloovoo modifies the laptop qr reader script to pop off the QR-Code:
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09:24:58 <esolangs> [[Stack-based+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119515&oldid=119476 * None1 * (+330)
09:26:00 <esolangs> [[Stack-based++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119516 * None1 * (+47) Redirected page to [[Stack-based+#Stack-based improved]]
09:26:19 <esolangs> [[Stack-based improved]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119517 * None1 * (+47) Redirected page to [[Stack-based+#Stack-based improved]]
09:27:30 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119518&oldid=119505 * None1 * (+20) /* S */
09:30:08 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119519&oldid=119478 * None1 * (+76) /* My Esolangs */
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09:43:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:BFStack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119520 * None1 * (+151) Created page with "This is the same as [[LstackG|<stack>]] but with the decrement command. --~~~~"
09:43:21 <esolangs> [[Talk:BFStack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119521&oldid=119520 * None1 * (+35)
09:46:29 <esolangs> [[2Deadfish/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119522&oldid=119514 * Squidmanescape * (+3038) /* Constants */
09:48:50 <esolangs> [[LstackG+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119523 * None1 * (+2514) Created page with "{{Wrongtitle|title=<stack>+}} '''<stack>+''' is a derivative of [[LstackG|<stack>]] by the same author: [[User:None1]]. There is almost no difference, except that <stack>+ has one more command: <code>+</code>, that ''decrements'' the top of stack. ==Interpreter in JavaS
09:51:08 <esolangs> [[Talk:BFStack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119524&oldid=119521 * None1 * (+248)
09:51:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:BFStack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119525&oldid=119524 * None1 * (+0)
09:51:43 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119526&oldid=119518 * None1 * (+30) /* Non-alphabetic */
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10:22:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:Translated VBS]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119528 * None1 * (+454) Created page with " English -> Chinese -> German -> Italian -> Japanese -> Chinese -> English With a repeating sub-block of baidu and Microsoft translator, I get: <pre> Here is a simple example of VBScript A message window with greetings will appear Absurd news Message="
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15:12:36 <esolangs> [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119529&oldid=116165 * Tomhe * (-107) add the new pointer macros
15:29:41 <esolangs> [[FlipJump]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119530&oldid=119529 * Tomhe * (+89) /* How To Run? */ add information about the debugging capabilities
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21:52:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Kwii * New user account
21:54:21 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119546&oldid=119386 * Kwii * (+147)
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22:53:04 <esolangs> [[2Deadfish/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119547&oldid=119544 * Squidmanescape * (+43) Found a way of doing this that saves seven instructions.
22:54:17 <esolangs> [[2Deadfish/Constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119548&oldid=119547 * Squidmanescape * (-47) /* Table */ I forgot to delete the old one.
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00:34:54 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Qaziquza * New user account
00:40:15 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119552&oldid=119546 * Qaziquza * (+243) Introduce myself
00:46:15 <qaziquza> Glad to be here. I've been reading the wiki for, I dunno, 2 years now, lol.
00:46:47 <ais523> I used to keep up with the whole thing, but the pace of changes is a bit too high nowadays
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00:47:53 <qaziquza> I imagine the influx is from codegolfers, in some part?
00:48:17 <ais523> possibly – although many of them don't post their languages here
00:48:49 <ais523> it mostly seems to be very young/new programmers showing off their first languages (which are often incredibly simple/basic but we allow those here all the same)
00:49:24 <qaziquza> Guilty, I'll admit, once upon a time.
00:49:31 <ais523> so if you read absolutely everything, it gets a bit repetitive seeing the 1000th version of brainfuck or deadfish with commands added, or sometimes commands removed
00:49:55 <ais523> but, the Esolang wiki was born out of a desire to allow people to host languages that other people found unimportant
00:50:52 <ais523> I'm sure that other people can get just as bored when I make 10 slightly different variations on tag systems or counter machines :-)
00:52:16 <ais523> I guess my esolang specialism has become "designing languages to prove other languages Turing-complete"
00:52:25 <qaziquza> Honestly, I really enjoy those variations because of the minimalism and the conceptual beauty
00:53:19 <qaziquza> Adding a couple of commands to brainfuck takes a tinge less effort than proving some variation on the Waterfall model TC
00:53:59 <ais523> that's what I like about it too
00:54:29 <ais523> but also, there generally seems to be a "best version" of many tarpits but you don't discover it until you seriously try to use it in lots of different concepts
00:55:09 <ais523> e.g. Spiral Rise's "add the remainder to the quotient" seems arbitrary, but in at least two very different contexts, it turned out to be the natural/default behaviour of an interpreter, and that really got me thinking about what division actually is
00:56:07 <qaziquza> Brainfuck with overflowing integers v.s. arbitrary precision brainfuck implementations might also be an example—without overflow, brainfuck becomes downright impossible.
00:56:40 <b_jonas> yep. it took more than half a year after I got the idea for Consumer Society to find the minimal language in it, and even now I'm not sure I've settled on the ideal form because there are like several bits of arbitrary choices that I can make for it.
00:56:54 <b_jonas> I should document all the choices, but even so I'll have a canonical version
00:57:42 <b_jonas> it's a language that I haven't released yet
00:57:44 <ais523> b_jonas has been talking about it in this channel for ages, but hasn't told anyone how it works
00:57:58 <ais523> so it's a mystery to all but one of us
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10:09:04 <esolangs> [[Funky]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119560 * DaMutasimos * (+7618) Created page with "Funky, a function-based language! It is an esolang where you can't do anything other than creating and executing functions (but I guess you can because its Javascript). The syntax is completely just Node.js's syntax (mainly because I am very lazy). Heres the functions
10:10:32 <esolangs> [[Funky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119561&oldid=119560 * DaMutasimos * (+6)
10:13:10 <esolangs> [[Funky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119562&oldid=119561 * DaMutasimos * (+372)
10:14:58 <esolangs> [[Funky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119563&oldid=119562 * DaMutasimos * (-40)
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11:36:13 <esolangs> [[Leocode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119566&oldid=119565 * LEOMOK * (+16)
11:41:29 <esolangs> [[Leocode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119567&oldid=119566 * LEOMOK * (-11)
12:03:14 <esolangs> [[BF instruction minimalization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119568&oldid=109610 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+409)
12:15:08 <esolangs> [[SBFM]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119569 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+536) Created page with "'''SBFM''' (Strange brainfuck minimalizations) are brainfuck minimalizations created by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] ==Notes== Note that in all of them loops are only run if they are not empty ==SMBFM-1== > - move pointer right { - flip bit and start while not zero lo
12:15:23 <esolangs> [[SBFM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119570&oldid=119569 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+2)
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12:27:35 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119572&oldid=118795 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+11) /* Things I made */
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13:49:17 <esolangs> [[Funky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119580&oldid=119579 * DaMutasimos * (+1) /* Implementation (in Node.js) */
13:51:21 <esolangs> [[Funky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119581&oldid=119580 * DaMutasimos * (+82) /* Execution */
13:52:19 <esolangs> [[Funky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119582&oldid=119581 * DaMutasimos * (+23) /* Execution */
13:55:16 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119583&oldid=119526 * DaMutasimos * (+12) /* F */
13:56:04 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119584&oldid=119583 * DaMutasimos * (+0) /* F */
13:58:50 <esolangs> [[Funky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119585&oldid=119582 * DaMutasimos * (+14)
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14:09:54 <esolangs> [[Funky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119587&oldid=119586 * DaMutasimos * (+30) /* Creating custom functions */
14:52:37 <esolangs> [[Brainjump]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119588 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+671) Created page with "'''brainjump''' is an esolang by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] which was created in March of 2022 but published only in November of 2023 ==Specification== brainjump uses right-infinite tape which stores unbounded integers as memory. ==Commands== > - move right and
14:53:49 <esolangs> [[WLWLWL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119589&oldid=118940 * LEOMOK * (+3) fixed mistake
14:53:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:A Queue which can't grow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119590&oldid=116272 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-1)
14:55:18 <esolangs> [[Talk:A Queue which can't grow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119591&oldid=119590 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1) Undo revision 119590 by [[Special:Contributions/ChuckEsoteric08|ChuckEsoteric08]] ([[User talk:ChuckEsoteric08|talk]])
14:55:57 <esolangs> [[A Queue which can't grow]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119592&oldid=117292 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+8)
14:58:17 <esolangs> [[WLWLWL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119593&oldid=119589 * LEOMOK * (-1) Fixed mistake in code
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20:36:32 <esolangs> [[Binary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119601&oldid=113601 * Europe2048 * (+1096) Much more usable for coding now.
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11:28:10 <cpressey> So, here's what's on my mind today. Often, if I'm constructing an expression, I do it from the bottom upwards. I introduce "3", then I introduce "5", then I introduce "+" and in so doing, convert all that to "3+5".
11:28:33 <cpressey> But what about named things? I introduce "3", then I introduce "x", then "+" to get "3+x", and then I introduce "lambda x" to get "lambda x: 3+x".
11:28:57 <cpressey> At the point at which I introduce x I don't know very much about it, it's a so-called "free variable". Only when I introduce "lambda x" do I learn more about it, and that instance of x turns into a "bound variable".
11:29:12 <cpressey> My thought is: maybe if I did these things in a different, non-bottom-up order, I wouldn't have to consider x to be a "free variable" at *any* point. It could start out bound and stay bound.
11:42:29 <cpressey> Europe2048: In the expression "lambda x: x + y", x is a bound variable and y is a free variable.
11:42:30 <cpressey> x is a bound variable because we can see in the expression where it gets its value from (it's an argument to the lambda function).
11:42:30 <cpressey> y is a free variable because we can't see where it gets its value from.
11:43:16 <Europe2048> So for example, in lambda a: a * b, a is a bound variable and y is a free variable, right?
11:44:00 <Europe2048> Are both variables bound in this expression?
11:44:58 <cpressey> Python would want it to be "lambda a, b: a + b"... but yes.
11:45:33 <cpressey> Both variables are bound in this expression, too:
11:45:42 <cpressey> They're bound to different lambdas though.
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11:52:27 <cpressey> Anyway, I'm now pretty sure that my earlier thought is not very helpful. Expressions are trees, sometimes you want to traverse them bottom-up, other times you want to traverse them top-down, and either way there is usually some context that you need to keep track of when you do that.
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12:09:24 <esolangs> [[SchrderBernstein theorem]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119638 * Hakerh400 * (+2874) Publish the article once again. This time decided not to write full formal proof, since it is a waste of time. Instead, posted a proof sketch.
12:10:24 <esolangs> [[SchrderBernstein theorem]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119639&oldid=119638 * Hakerh400 * (-5) /* Proof sketch */
12:13:06 <int-e> esolangs: such an odd venue, isn't it...
12:14:28 <cpressey> I do hope the Schroeder-Bernstein theorem has something to do with playing West Side Story on a toy piano.
12:16:41 <esolangs> [[SchrderBernstein theorem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119640&oldid=119639 * Hakerh400 * (+21)
12:16:59 <int-e> That page isn't about a language though, it's about the theorem from set theory which apparently they formalized in a proof assistant (they're obviously not the first to do that either)
12:17:39 <int-e> So... meh. Probably a bit better than the 10 millionth Brainfuck clone, but those are on topic.
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12:48:37 <riv> cpressey: I think you address something very interesting with this
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13:09:24 <esolangs> [[Template:Py]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119653&oldid=119650 * Lilchiky * (+70) small note
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13:29:38 <esolangs> [[In Your JSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119656&oldid=119423 * None1 * (+1) Fixed example
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13:55:28 <esolangs> [[Never Gonna Give You Up]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119669&oldid=119663 * None1 * (+49) See also
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14:01:20 <esolangs> [[Talk:EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119673&oldid=50542 * None1 * (+117) /* GraphViz */ new section
14:01:27 <cpressey> riv: I also think it's very interesting but I think the best I could do is to show that the situation can't really be helped.
14:12:48 <cpressey> You could have something that introduces a bound variable and its binder (like "lambda x: x") And then something that transforms an expression with bound variables into a different expression with bound variables. But the best way to do the latter seems to be to, well, use a lambda function.
14:15:51 <esolangs> [[Right]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119674&oldid=119628 * D * (+11)
14:15:52 <esolangs> [[Meow (None1)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119675 * None1 * (+18348) Added my pre-2023 esolang
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14:17:21 <riv> well there are combinators, then you never have lambda binders
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14:19:39 <esolangs> [[Right]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119683&oldid=119682 * D * (-33)
14:20:39 <esolangs> [[Right]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119684&oldid=119683 * D * (-23)
14:24:35 <esolangs> [[Right]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119685&oldid=119684 * D * (+7) Let's add another marker.
14:25:49 <cpressey> Sure, but with combinators, you've eliminated names entirely, which feels like bypassing the problem rather than addressing it directly (e.g. giving a system in which there are names but they're always bound variables and never free variables.)
14:28:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:Right]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119686&oldid=119634 * D * (-303) /* Markers */
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16:39:43 <cpressey> "You've tried OCaml (Objective Caml), now try SCaml (Subjective Caml). The great thing about SCaml is that, at the end of the day, the meaning of a program is really up to you!"
17:03:42 <esolangs> [[Incrementing machine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119703 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1414) Created page with "'''Incrementing machine''' is a variation of Minsky machine discovered by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]]. Unlike any other counter machines it can only increment registers, but not decrementing or setting them to 0. It was discovered while author was work
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17:50:43 <int-e> cpressey: But I wanted a dromdary.
17:53:22 <b_jonas> int-e: you'll have to ask the perl folks for one
17:54:53 <int-e> I think they have a full dromedary.
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00:00:12 <esolangs> [[Hardfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119708&oldid=117947 * Squidmanescape * (-30) I took away my own stupid changes. I don't know why I did this.
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00:41:45 <int-e> b_jonas: https://old.reddit.com/r/shapezio/comments/17xii4g/can_anyone_please_tell_me_why_my_max_rate_is_20/k9yia09/ (I figured out where that odd 25% speedup in balancers comes from in shapez.io and why it turns into a slowdown after reaching 10x, including a formula)
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01:06:11 <int-e> (This took me way too long. On the other hand, this is the thing that has been bothering me the most about this game so far, so I'm glad I finally figured it out.)
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17:31:33 <cpressey> I sometimes find it hard to believe that Robin Milner built a theorem prover based on unpublished work by Dana Scott. I also find it hard to believe that he invented polymorphic typing (and a whole new language to put it in) merely because he wanted this theorem prover to have user-extensible tactics. This whole narrative smells funny, if you
17:34:35 <ais523> theorem provers seem to have driven a whole genre of languages with weird type systems
17:37:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:Stackish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119736 * Baltdev * (+171) Created page with "I clicked random esolang and was brought here. Since the original implementation is a dead link, I'm creating my own. ~~~"
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19:51:33 <cpressey> I'm joking of course, but there is one part of the narrative that I do take exception to, which is that Milner designed ML to be statically typed (or "strongly typed" or "strictly typed") because this was a necessity for implementing LCF-style theorem proving. It's not. You can implement information hiding in a dynamically typed (or "weakly
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21:35:30 <cpressey> > You can implement information hiding in a dynamically typed (or "weakly typed") language
21:35:30 <cpressey> Granted, the weaker the type enforcement, the more fiddly it becomes. And most dynamically typed languages actually have "strong" typing in the sense that you can't cast values to types that would violate their memory storage model (like pointers). But I think that even at the weakest level you could implement, say, cryptographic methods, to
21:35:31 <cpressey> prevent unauthorized access to the internals of an abstract data type.
21:35:31 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:38: error: parse error on input ‘in’
21:37:33 <cpressey> Not that it makes any sense to go that far.
21:39:10 <cpressey> A lot of languages have opaque data in the form of function values. I wonder if function pointers would be enough. Especially if you could actually allocate new functions at runtime, in protected memory, so that once they're created the memory they occupy cannot be written to.
21:41:42 <cpressey> Because there's nothing wrong with reading the values (or bytes) of an abstract data structure. It's modifying or creating a new instance of one without using the official methods for doing so, that needs to be prevented.
21:47:36 <b_jonas> "nothing wrong with reading the values (or bytes) of an abstract data structure" => sure there is, it leads to the maintainer of that data type not being able to improve the implementation without incompatibility because the users rely on some implementation detail that wasn't supposed to be part of the public API.
21:48:57 <b_jonas> but of course a dynamically typed language can still allow to create new algebraic structure constructors with fields that aren't publicly readable, if you want to hide information that way, this just requires a memory-safe language, not a strongly typed one
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22:15:17 <b_jonas> you can also do inside-out structures, as in a separate table that stores the actual attribute of the objects, and you index into it by the address of the object or by an index stored in the object, so that users can't see the attributes by just looking inside the object, but this too is only as useful as private fields in the structures, since a user may also be able to find the tables unless the
22:15:23 <b_jonas> language gives some way to hide them
22:16:28 <b_jonas> on the flip side, you could have a statically typed language that has no information hiding, where a user can always access the fields or create instances of data types that a module defines
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00:25:46 <Koen> question on stackexchange today: "is there a language like haskell, but that allows pattern matching on arbitrary expressions instead of just constructors?"
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00:27:58 <ais523> I guess it depends on how arbitrary you want to get
00:28:08 <ais523> like, do you want to be able to match 2 against x+1 and end up with the binding x=1?
00:28:28 <ais523> that taken to its extremes would be pretty esoteric
00:28:47 <ais523> there are Prolog dialects that aim to do something like that, but there are a lot of complexities and caveats
00:28:58 <ais523> and the syntax is a bit inconvenient
00:29:00 <Koen> so I guess it would involve a solver every time you try to pattern match
00:29:41 <Koen> just so you can write stuff like addOne (x-1) = x
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00:31:27 <Koen> so I guess it would involve a solver every time you try to pattern match
00:31:28 <Koen> just so you can write stuff like addOne (x-1) = x
00:32:26 <Koen> apparently you can pattern match on functions in Curry, but I guess only if the functions do nothing more than add constructors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry_(programming_language)#Functional_patterns
00:40:46 <b_jonas> Koen: firstly, Haskell would have a syntactic problem with this because if you try to use a function call as a pattern then it'll try to define the function in the head of that call. secondly, I think this isn't possible in general because you can set up some stupid paradox,
00:43:14 <b_jonas> like try to match `[f ()] = [False]` but with the function f defined so that it returns True if that same match matches, like `f () = case False of { [f ()] -> True; _ -> False; }`
00:43:29 <b_jonas> no sorry, `f () = case [False] of { [f ()] -> True; _ -> False; }`
00:44:01 <Koen> oh, that's violent
00:44:56 <Koen> I was thinking more simples issues like squareRoot (x^2) = x
00:45:01 <b_jonas> perhaps you can define the rules such that this is just an infinite loop, but I don't think you can get a sane matching from this
00:45:20 <b_jonas> eh, we can solve a square root, that's a well-known problem
00:46:30 <b_jonas> sure, you might also give the match problems that are slow to solve, like [x * y] = some large composite number
00:46:45 <b_jonas> even ones that are well-defined but much slower to solve than factoring
00:46:45 <Koen> well yes but returning -3 or 3 for squareRoot 9 would both be correcrt
00:47:07 <b_jonas> yeah, sometimes there can be multiple matches
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00:48:28 <Koen> if you want to mention that paradox at https://langdev.stackexchange.com/questions/3194/are-there-haskell-like-languages-where-equations-allow-for-arbitrary-left-hand-s I think it would be a great answer
00:48:54 <Koen> (I didn't ask the question, just stumbled upon it and thought that was something for #esolangs)
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00:53:16 <b_jonas> I guess in the spriti of Raymond Smullyan I should suggest `f () = case [False] of { you pay me a million dollars -> False; [f ()] -> True; _ -> False; }` in which case to evaluate `f ()` the interpreter must make you to pay me a million dollars
00:53:27 <b_jonas> because otherwise you get a paradox
00:53:44 <b_jonas> but it's not clear if you can do something like that into a purely functional language like Haskell
00:55:01 <ais523> <Agora's ruleset> Definitions and prescriptions in the rules are only to be applied using direct, forward reasoning; in particular, an absurdity that can be concluded from the assumption that a statement about rule-defined concepts is false does not constitute proof that it is true.
00:55:53 <ais523> Agora decided that just because it's *possible* to resolve something to a truth value doesn't necessarily mean you *should*
00:56:27 <ais523> like, it makes more sense to conclude that the function doesn't evaluate to anything than to pay you a million dollars to make it evaluable
00:56:42 <b_jonas> yeah, smullyan gives that lesson in one exercise
00:59:06 <b_jonas> in chapter 5 of "What is the name of this book?"
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01:10:04 <Koen> I read something like that like two days ago
01:12:26 <Koen> I had only ever read "the lady or the tiger" and last week I decided to get what is the name of this book in ebook
01:14:04 <b_jonas> the lady and the tiger might also have that lesson somewhere. I don't remember everything in the books off-hand.
01:14:40 <Koen> i remember most of the riddles being extremely easy up to a point
01:14:45 <Koen> and then suddenly becoming impossible
01:15:36 <Koen> like for two thirds of the book it's just small variations on "there are three people in front of you. the first one says that the second one is lying. hte second one says..." etc
01:16:25 <Koen> and then suddenly it's "a princess is exchanging secret codes with her suitor. can you break the code (and prove godel's theorem)?"
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08:56:16 <cpressey> <b_jonas> "nothing wrong with reading the values (or bytes) of an abstract data structure" => sure there is, it leads to the maintainer of that data type not being able to improve the implementation without incompatibility <-- Okay, I was thinking in terms of the integrity of the data structure when I wrote that, not software engineering issues. I
08:56:17 <cpressey> grant that the phrase "nothing wrong" was too sweeping. It was late.
08:57:50 <cpressey> Even "software engineering issues" is probably interpretable, maybe "programming-in-the-large" would be more specific
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11:36:12 <cpressey> <b_jonas> this just requires a memory-safe language, not a strongly typed one <--- Thing is, "strongly typed" is not very well defined, and in practice it seems to mean "disallows 'dangerous' type casts" which seems to boil down to "memory-safe"
11:39:04 <b_jonas> cpressey: that's definitely not what I think of as strongly typed. by strongly typed I mean statically typed, the types determined at compile time
11:40:01 <cpressey> C is statically typed but widely regarded as weakly typed because you can cast anything to anything
11:42:35 <cpressey> Which suggests the essence of "weak vs strong" has nothing really to do with when you apply the type checking but rather what the type checking prevents. Lots of dynamically typed languages would have strong typing under this interpretation.
11:43:36 <int-e> "my types are stronger than yours"
11:43:41 <cpressey> Except for the fact that you can inevitably link in C libraries and call out to C functions in these languages, which destroys all these properties, but we're going to ignore that, right
11:44:59 <cpressey> Anyway, it's all microservices now, which permit a most excellent form of information hiding: the internals of this data structure are on a different machine entirely
11:45:28 <int-e> there's also an expressiveness angle mixed into strength sometimes
11:46:19 <int-e> (there is a connection... the more expressive the type system, the less need you'll have for casts)
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11:48:06 <int-e> (C may be strongly typed but then you also have void * everywhere connected to heap management... and the compiler won't save you when you cast the wrong thing)
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11:49:31 <b_jonas> memory safety isn't just about casting anything to anything else, as you know, it's also about not indexing out of arrays, and about not dereferencing stale pointers
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11:50:14 <int-e> I'm sure memory safety means different things to different people too.
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11:50:59 <int-e> And you don't need strong types for that, see Python. Or, hell, Lisp if we want ancient history.
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11:54:44 <b_jonas> yes. the two are different. that's what I was trying to say earlier.
11:54:55 <b_jonas> but apparently we thought of different things as strong typing.
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12:15:35 <cpressey> This is why, over time, I've become more and mroe careful to say "statically typed" when I mean statically typed, and "the type system allows <x> and prevents <y>" when I'm talking about what the type system can and can't do
12:18:30 <cpressey> The thing here is a narrative where people are using these nonspecific terms (like "strong" and "strict") and making claims under them (that you need "strong" or "strict" typing to correctly implement the LCF architecture, basically)
12:22:33 <cpressey> (And by "people" I mean, like, Lawrence Paulson and Michael Gordon! If you have a page on Wikipedia identifying you as a computer scientist I expect a certain level of rigour, y'know?)
12:24:19 <cpressey> I think you could *probably* implement the LCF architecture in untyped lambda calculus.
12:24:51 <cpressey> I would need a refresher course in all that Church encoding stuff.
12:27:43 <int-e> ML translates to System F (preserving types) which has subject reduction so you can erase types. But the types are crucial to the correctness. Also the module system for encapsulating internals of proofs and theorems, preventing you from injecting axioms without going through the dedicated function for that.
12:28:04 <int-e> So, yes and no. As usual.
12:51:27 <tromp> has LCF been implemented in Haskell?
13:00:30 <int-e> Dunno, does Agda have an LCF style kernel?
13:01:52 <int-e> (It's a bit of a mismatch because it's primarily a programming language.)
13:04:25 <int-e> But it's the only bigger name in the field that I can think of that isn't ML or Lisp. Oh and Idris is self-hosting with bootstrapping via scheme?
13:05:02 <tromp> in a sense, every typed expression (without undefined) in Haskell is already a theorem of sorts
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13:06:08 <int-e> Sure but AIUI a big part about LCF is managing theorems and exioms, without caring about their proofs.
13:12:08 <tromp> Wikipedia says: Basic idea
13:12:08 <tromp> Theorems in the system are terms of a special "theorem" abstract data type. The general mechanism of abstract data types of ML ensures that theorems are derived using only the inference rules given by the operations of the theorem abstract type. Users can write arbitrarily complex ML programs to compute theorems; the validity of theorems does not depend on the complexity of such programs, but follows from the soundness of the
13:12:08 <tromp> abstract data type implementation and the correctness of the ML compiler.
13:12:22 <tromp> that sounds quite possible to replicate in Haskell
13:12:48 <int-e> But you asked whether it was done, not whether it could be done.
13:18:40 <tromp> right. but i took your answer as suggesting that it would be hard to manage thms/axioms in Haskell
13:21:08 <int-e> Ah but I only meant that programming language implementations aren't theorem provers (LCF style in particular) even if they're dependently typed because they lack theorems as a concept. That's independent from the language they're implemented in (which in your case, would be Haskell)
13:21:26 <b_jonas> I feel like untyped lambda calculus would be a singularly bad language to implement this sort of program
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13:34:59 <cpressey> Here's Gordon's take, which you can compare to WP's: "Milner had the brilliant idea of using an abstract data type whose predefined values were instances of axioms and whose operations were inference rules. Strict typechecking then ensured that the only values that could be created were those that could be obtained from axioms by applying a
13:35:00 <cpressey> sequence of inference rules – namely theorems."
13:35:11 <cpressey> By "strict typechecking" he means "abstract data types".
13:35:32 <cpressey> You can implement the LCF architecture in any language with proper abstract data types.
13:36:55 <cpressey> tromp: I started writing an LCF kernel in Haskell once. Would be surprised if no one else ever wrote one and got further than I did.
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13:37:54 <cpressey> Haskell has proper abstract data types. They're not very popular among Haskell programmers it seems, but that's a different issue, I'm sure they have their reasons...
13:43:16 <cpressey> I need to stop thinking about these things :/
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14:15:22 <HackEso> olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1291.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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19:07:29 <int-e> Lesson learned... sometimes when a puzzle doesn't work out it's just because you're too stupid :)
19:19:45 <int-e> if you don't mind spoilers: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-copy-hard.png ...the puzzle is on top (make a logo shape in an 18x2 block, taking a white circle and grey square from the left (circle on top) and producing the logo shape in the top-right); my attempts were based on an intermediate shape with one small square raised... I took a long time to realize that there's one more degree of...
19:19:51 <int-e> ...freedom while sticking to the same basic recipe and that would save one column so it actually fits.
19:20:09 <int-e> And unfortunately for the game, the sub-optimal recipe is good enough to cheese the puzzle.
19:22:34 <int-e> And as I've mentioned before,I know for a fact that *some* (presumably older) puzzles must be cheesed. And I don't know how to tell the difference.
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19:30:23 <int-e> But does that also apply to https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11.png ...I have no clue...
19:33:41 <int-e> (The "obvious" thing doesn't work... https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11-fail.png ...you either have to do some very awkward routing or use the dhnqphggre)
19:38:46 <int-e> And one way to cheese the level looks like this: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11-cheese.png (buffer items and then modify the level to actually deliver products)
19:40:25 <int-e> Somehow I'm still playing these so they can't be too terrible, right?
19:48:02 <b_jonas> that means that's a well-constructed puzzle, not only you can solve it without cheese it also taught you something
19:48:18 <b_jonas> the previous one that's 2 high that is
19:48:50 <b_jonas> I guess you can't tell in advance which puzzle is good
19:53:31 <int-e> Yeah that's my real complaint. (And *some* of the forced cheeses are actually interesting too. But it's a very different flavor of puzzle.)
19:55:08 <b_jonas> I'll just repeat that Puzzletory the Factorio mod is a collection of puzzles that does not allow this kind of cheese, because you can't change anything while your solution is evaluated
19:55:49 <b_jonas> of course you'll have to know some of the mechanics of Factorio to play them, and they can sometimes be just as crazy as shapez's mechanics, only usually for very different reasons
20:05:38 <int-e> In any case, there's just enough degrees of freedom in this puzzle that I'm not 100% sure that cheesing is necessary. I've even found a second way to do the routing that involves a double painter. Which may have been the intended way because it buffers more items...
20:08:03 <int-e> looks like this: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11-cheesier.png
20:08:28 <int-e> (interestingly, splitters are disabled for this one)
20:09:31 <int-e> (but cutters can act like splitters if the shapes fit cleanly left and right; there are several puzzles using that idea)
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20:16:09 <b_jonas> a double painter used in a somewhat unusual way
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20:17:37 <int-e> b_jonas: since the puzzle mode doesn't have mergers... this comes up quite a bit.
20:18:24 <int-e> at least it's a bit more clunky than the standard mergers so it's not completely overused :)
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09:50:43 <cpressey> So I've been thinking. The adequacy of the LCF approach really depends on your "threat model". If you just want to protect against mistakes, it's enough (possibly even more than you need), but if you want to defend against someone *falsifying* a proof, though, it needs to be supplemented (by checking a produced certificate).
09:52:10 <cpressey> Because of ROTT, right? Even if your proof language makes 100% guarantees about integrity of your data structures, who knows what the compiler that compiled the implementation of your proof language might've snuck in there.
09:53:11 <cpressey> Anyway, it's the beauty of the idea "Abstract Data Type = Algebra = Proof System" that appeals to me, not really these practical matters.
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10:13:08 <cpressey> "possibly even more than you need" -> Programmers get by with a lot less on a daily basis. "Voluntary encapsulation" in popular languages. Otoh, a lot of software in production has data integrity holes in it. Sometimes massive ones. So that's probably not a good basis for comparison.
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11:08:06 <b_jonas> sure, but automatically producing a certificate and checking it elsewhere is the easy part. the hard part is making the language convenient enough to express long proofs easily, and also making sure that humans can check all your aximos and the statement of theorems easily (because a proof isn't worth much if you aren't sure what it proves)
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11:23:26 <cpressey> A language that makes something convenient?? Perish the thought, in this channel!
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13:44:27 <arseniiv> a language with the sole (or almost sole) numeric operation which is arithmetic-geometric mean
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14:36:37 <b_jonas> arseniiv: we have languages with a restricted set of arithmetic operations: Nellephant which uses attract and repel, which I find very annoying and unnecessary because it doesn't seem to really help what that language is trying to do over using more sane arithmetic operations; and more interestingly Analogia
14:37:23 <b_jonas> also possibly Conedy, depending on how you interpret "numeric operations"
14:42:02 <arseniiv> b_jonas: oh I read only today that “analogia” is Ancient Greek for hm I forgot what in arithmetic but something basic
14:53:52 <b_jonas> man, we should've just left the babylonians and arabs develop mathematics and science and astronomy. the ancient greeks like Euclid and especially Aristoteles just made everything worse. their only upside was Archimedes.
14:55:11 <b_jonas> plus the Mayans could help if we can contact them earlier I guess
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21:05:56 <arseniiv> <b_jonas> their only upside was Archimedes. => he was
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10:08:38 <cpressey> "Forward and backward proof in HOL corresponds to special cases of rule composition in Isabelle. However, Milner’s key idea of using ML’s abstract types to ensure that theorems can only be obtained by allowable combinations of allowable rules is retained, and lifted to the metalogic level."
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10:09:11 <cpressey> OK, now I'm going to have to look into Isabelle's innards to find out what the heck *that* means.
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10:29:43 <cpressey> Apparently it means the metalogic is implemented as an abstract data type in ML. The object logic that you actually work with, e.g. Isabelle/HOL, is encoded in the metalogic.
10:31:19 <cpressey> That seems less cool somehow. Ah well
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16:25:37 <riv> I think if you are trying to prove A |- Z (You hvae the assumption A and want to prove B)
16:25:49 <riv> a forward proof step would be using A -> B to change your goal to proving B |- Z
16:26:07 <riv> and a backward proof step would be using Y -> Z to change your goal into A |- Y
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19:31:27 <b_jonas> fungot, are cosmic rays actually cartridge fish, or are they just named after some superficial similarity?
19:31:56 <b_jonas> hmm, our mascot isn't here
19:38:30 <fizzie> Oh²: I updated it to expect the ~ in my hostname when I had that identd issue, which is now resolved (at least temporarily, after a Debian upgrade and reboot), so now it again doesn't acknowledge my authority in commanding it to join here.
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19:39:51 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld elon enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
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20:08:58 <b_jonas> fungot, are cosmic rays actually cartridge fish, or are they just named after some superficial similarity?
20:08:58 <fungot> b_jonas: nothing new? spill it) and it is slower then not creating it :)
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20:26:42 <b_jonas> fungot, out of these creatures, which two are what the second word of their name indicates? sea anemone, sea angel, sea ape, sea asparagus, sea bear, sea canary, sea cucumber, sea devil, sea elephant, sea fig, sea hare, sea hawk, sea horse, sea leopard, sea lettuce, sea lilies, sea lion, sea louse, sea moth, sea otter, sea porcupine, sea pork, sea raven, sea toad, sea unicorn, sea urchin, sea vomit, sea
20:26:43 <fungot> b_jonas: i'm looking at gauche to teach myself lots of capsaicin today.
20:30:19 <int-e> "teach myself lots of capsaicin" sounds hot
20:30:26 <int-e> (not in a sexual way)
20:31:31 <fizzie> Possibly relates to sea chilli peppers somehow.
20:32:46 <b_jonas> nah, statistically speaking based on these creatures, sea chili peppers have nothing to do with chili peppers and don't contain capsaicin
20:34:33 <b_jonas> admittedly I was a bit biased when I made that list, I took every name with the referent unrelated to the referent of the second word that I could find, even obsolete names that nobody uses anymore, while I took only two of the twenty or so examples where "sea" is a restricting suffix
20:37:09 <b_jonas> what complicates the matter is that "pepper" is already used for two entirely different groups of plants, one from each side of the ocean
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22:14:08 <tromp> possibly of interest to ppl here: updated version of earlier article at https://tromp.github.io/blog/2023/11/24/largest-number
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16:19:46 <b_jonas> fungot, the Weasleys just released a holiday special version of poke pastiles that makes your vomit rainbow-colored, but I'm not sure if it works on a funge like you
16:19:46 <fungot> b_jonas: the question is, to what extent? :)
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08:59:53 <cpressey> riv: re forwards and backwards proof: I think of it like this:
08:59:54 <cpressey> A proof is a tree (or more often it's actually a DAG). "Forward proof" is to start at the leaves and work towards the root. "Backward proof" is to start at the root and work towards the leaves.
08:59:54 <cpressey> I think this can sometimes manifest in the way you described with assumptions and conclusions, but not necessarily.
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10:35:04 <cpressey> This is what I've been working on lately: https://codeberg.org/catseye/define-opaque/src/branch/develop-0.2
10:35:04 <cpressey> My thought is, if you can do it in Scheme, you could do it in the untyped lambda calculus too.
10:35:05 <cpressey> Which would give you a basis to argue that the untyped lambda calculus is strongly typed.
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12:35:28 <b_jonas> cpressey: doesn't a later scheme standard already give you something like that?
12:37:18 <b_jonas> cpressey: I think you're relying on the equal? primitive, that wouldn't work in untyped lambda calculus
12:37:53 <b_jonas> I don't have a proof, but I think it's not possible in untyped lambda calculus
12:43:00 <b_jonas> in untyped lambda calculus, if you can construct a private accessor function then an adversary can also construct the same function
12:43:08 <b_jonas> there's no eq? or other way to distinguish
12:45:40 <b_jonas> that's not quite a proof because it doesn't exclude inside-out structures, but I think you can't hide data that way either in untyped lambda calculus
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02:24:55 <solmanac> Thinking about implementing something like bit bit jump in ttl chips
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04:22:20 <Sgeo> https://www.reddit.com/r/WordAvalanches/comments/184kfrl/hey_what_type_of_logic_gate_can_be_used_alone_to/
04:23:11 <zzo38> I had considered something similar than "something like bit bit jump in ttl chips" in the past, too
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09:24:06 <cpressey> b_jonas: for clarity: the code that the macro expands to is here: https://codeberg.org/catseye/define-opaque/src/branch/develop-0.2/eg/stack-expanded.scm
09:24:06 <cpressey> It doesn't rely on `eq?`, and it only uses `equal?` to compare symbols.
09:24:07 <cpressey> I would find it very difficult to believe that in the untyped lambda calculus, you can't compare two symbols for equality.
09:25:34 <b_jonas> cpressey: you can't ensure that you only get a symbol rather than an arbitrary function
09:26:52 <b_jonas> that said, you may have a point
09:27:36 <b_jonas> so what you're doing there is make a closure that responds to only certain methods rather than expose its whole inside
09:27:42 <b_jonas> that part might actually work in lambda calculus
09:27:54 <b_jonas> I was thinking of a different goal with data hiding that is harder
09:41:44 <cpressey> OK, yes, "compare for equality modulo bottom" should be acceptable here; if the user passes in a symbol that isn't defined in the structure, that's an error; also an error if they pass in a non-symbol; and if they pass in some kind of nonterminating function there, that's just another flavour of error
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10:21:31 <b_jonas> cpressey: ok, but you have to be careful. suppose you're representing one symbol as (\x\y.x) and another symbol as (\x\y.y), the user could pass in something that does terminate but does something with both x and y that confuses your method dispatcher if you write it wrong
10:21:40 <b_jonas> I think you might actually be able to write it correctly in this case, but still
10:24:01 <b_jonas> or suppose you expect the user to pass in push_symbol = (\x\y.x) or pop_symbol = (\x\y.y) and then you do (somesymbol push_function pop_function data) but they actually pass in (\x\y.evil_function)\
10:24:17 <b_jonas> so you can mess up if you aren't careful
10:29:12 <b_jonas> I think that means you can only do this in lazy lambda calculus, not unlambda style strict lambda calculus
10:29:57 <b_jonas> because you have to do like (somesymbol (push_function data) (pop_function data)) and there (pop_function data) may be non-terminating
10:30:26 <b_jonas> obviously you can avoid that in the simple case of a stack push/pop by making pop terminate even for an empty list, but I mean in the general case
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10:49:08 <cpressey> Thanks for thinking about it, but I don't we're thinking about the same concerns here.
10:49:09 <cpressey> You can use this under strict evaluation just as well as you can use anything else under strict evaluation -- it's not expected to magically be resistant to someone passing in value whose evaluation doesn't terminate.
10:49:09 <cpressey> The only "evil" here is if the user can supply some input that can change the internal state to some state that the operations don't expect it to be in.
10:49:10 <cpressey> So if there is a hole I'd expect it to be in the ability to pass in parameters. But, it seems like you could replace any operation with a parameter, with a number of parameterless operations, e.g. ZERO, INC, DEC, PUSH to replace a single operation that pushes an int.
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11:51:11 <cpressey> Yeah I don't know. I need to play with a LC interpreter to get a better feel for it. But it might be that the function representing the opaque data structure has no choice but to trust the functions that are passed into it. i.e. it asks them to evaluate functions that it gives them. That won't work.
11:53:25 <cpressey> If untyped LC can't implement this, that's not the end of the world -- I mean, TMs can't implement it either. And neither can term rewriting. But LC feels like it should stand a better chance :)
12:02:30 <b_jonas> yeah, you can just choose a different language, one that is more prepared for this sort of thing
12:03:26 <b_jonas> running untrusted code safely just isn't the goal of lambda calculus
12:04:09 <tromp> typed lC let's you rule out untrusted code
12:04:51 <b_jonas> tromp: yes, that's how Haskell's IO is supposed to work
12:05:33 <cpressey> My goal is to find the simplest language in which you can build opaque data structures
12:05:35 <b_jonas> your safe code is running but can't have side effects, it just returns an IO value that tells the IO manager what side ffect you want
12:06:29 <cpressey> In untyped LC, if the caller passes you a "boolean" x, can you not just "clean" the boolean by saying: IF X T F
12:07:04 <tromp> that does nothing when x = K (K evil)
12:07:07 <cpressey> IF x T F ... should always evaluate to either T, or F, or won't terminate
12:08:27 <b_jonas> cpressey: I don't think that helps if you're still in lambda calculus
12:09:02 <b_jonas> you have a value that you think might be T and F, the only way you can use it (if you want to distinguish T from F) is to call it
12:09:05 <tromp> IF (K(K evil)) T F = evil
12:10:34 <b_jonas> in the usual representation, true is just (\x\y.y) and false is (\x\y.x) and if is just identity
12:10:51 <b_jonas> they don't actually laundher the booleans, they just pass them unchanged
12:11:25 <b_jonas> there are other representations of booleans, but they aren't better
12:11:37 <cpressey> OK. So to turn the question around, is it possible to devise an encoding in which IF x T F can only ever evaluate to T or F or fail to terminate?
12:12:09 <b_jonas> not in untyped lambda calculus that is
12:12:27 <b_jonas> you may be able to in some larger languages
12:13:23 <cpressey> Well, yes, obviously it's possible to define a language that guarantees that. The question for me right now is, what is the essense of that guarantee
12:13:34 <cpressey> and it looks like I won't find that essence in untyped lambda calculus :)
12:14:11 <b_jonas> a necesary requirement is that you can do something with values other than call them as a function
12:14:19 <b_jonas> in untyped lambda calculus you can't
12:14:25 <b_jonas> nor in unlambda or underload
12:15:58 <b_jonas> this is not a sufficient requirement of course
12:16:18 <b_jonas> like in undereload you can actually do one more thing with values besides call them as a function: you can print them
12:16:26 <b_jonas> but that just isn't useful
12:16:58 <b_jonas> dc is close to that kind of silliness with strings too
12:18:01 <b_jonas> you can eval a string, or you can take its length, or you can print it, but you can't break it to characters and get the ascii value of each character
12:23:36 <cpressey> "My goal is to find the simplest language" <-- of course "simplest" is somewhat subjective. Just trying to help frame the problem. I'm actually thinking of the Actor model right now. Actors are opaque wrt each other.
12:29:52 <cpressey> (Interestingly, historically Scheme developed as an attempt to better understand the Actor model; but from what I remember reading about it, I don't think "opacity of data structures" played a major part in it)
12:32:12 <cpressey> But, yes. The thing that defeats it in untyped LC, is that "all data is code". If you have "some data isn't code", that's one way to build around it. (Whereas in a Turing machine, "no data is code"... at least, not until you build a UTM.)
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16:51:32 <Koen> b_jonas: is it okay if I take our discussion from the other day about pattern-matching on arbitrary expressions, and try to use it to write an answer to the stackexchange question?
16:53:07 <b_jonas> feel free to write an answer
16:53:55 <b_jonas> I don't think I have a good enough complete answer and I don't want to figure it out so I won't write one
16:54:26 <b_jonas> I don't know enough about the computability part to know if you can make some sense of this
16:58:35 <Koen> well, it shouldn't be too hard to write a language interpreter that runs a solver on expressions and tries to turn "case y of expr(x) = ..." into "if y in image(expr) then let x = expr^-1(y) ..."
16:59:40 <Koen> you just run a paradox if you assume that the solver can deal with all expressions, including expressions that rely on the solver
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17:19:13 <b_jonas> Koen: yes, but (1) you have to be careful to evaluate the expression in parallel (triangle style) for all possible values of the variable
17:19:31 <Koen> not sure what that means
17:19:50 <b_jonas> and (2) you need to be able to generate all possible values of the variable in sequence, even when there are infintely many of them and it may be a function type
17:20:27 <b_jonas> say you're trying a match like like let [f x] = y
17:20:37 <b_jonas> f may be a complicated function, right?
17:21:00 <b_jonas> so the way you do that is try various values of x by calling the function and see when the output matches y
17:21:22 <b_jonas> but the problem is, sometimes f doesn't terminate
17:21:24 <Koen> oh, I would hope the solver is smarter than just try things randomly
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17:22:24 <tromp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dovetailing_(computer_science)
17:22:54 <b_jonas> is that what it's called? okay
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17:28:44 <tromp> related: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/control-monad-omega-0.3.2/docs/Control-Monad-Omega.html
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18:07:24 <Koen> okay, I posted an answer https://langdev.stackexchange.com/questions/3194/are-there-haskell-like-languages-where-equations-allow-for-arbitrary-left-hand-s/3249#3249
18:08:44 <Koen> feel free to criticise. Also I acknowledged your help at the end and made it "community wiki" so feel free to edit directly if you want to (even to remove your name if you want anonymity)
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18:27:43 <Guest38> Any server/channel to investigate human design?
18:28:13 <ais523> what do you mean by human design?
18:28:29 <Guest38> sorry for the translations, I'm using google
18:29:15 <Guest38> is my summary of human design
18:29:20 <ais523> I'm still not sure what you mean, but suspect that this is the wrong channel to ask in
18:30:28 <Guest38> I am looking for a server/channel focused on esotericism
18:31:28 <Guest38> 75 users for the site, that seems like a lot to me
18:32:06 <ais523> oh, this channel is about esoteric programming languages, but this question comes up occasionally
18:32:11 <HackEso> This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.
18:32:32 <ais523> there, there's a couple of channels you might want to try instead
18:32:52 <ais523> I'm not sure how active they are nowadays though
18:33:10 <Guest38> Thank you very much, programmers!
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18:36:00 <b_jonas> I have no idea if those channels that that thing redirects to are actually still alive
18:36:29 <b_jonas> ``` hg log --removed -T "{rev}|{date|shortdate}|{desc}\n" /hackenv/wisdom/esoteric
18:36:32 <HackEso> 9071|2016-09-25|<fizzie> revert 942e964c81c1 \ 9070|2016-09-25|<evilipse> ` chmod 777 / -R \ 5897|2015-08-13|<int-e> revert accbc9c5c7ec \ 5895|2015-08-12|<ais523> echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm \ 5442|2015-06-07|<oerjan> ` sed -i \'s/on .*/on EFnet or DALnet./\' wisdom/esoteric \ 3343|2013-07-31|<Bike> revert \ 3342|2013-07-31|<FreeFull> for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done \ 1716|2013-01-24|<Gregor> hg diff -r1703:170
18:36:34 <ais523> nor do I – I think last time we checked one of them was kind-of limping along
18:37:12 <b_jonas> that's not that old, given that #esolangs is 20 years old
18:39:16 <ais523> well, #esoteric is that old, #esolangs is much newer because Libera hasn't been around that much, but it's the same channel in spirit
18:39:37 <ais523> – apparently to the extent that people can mistake the topic even after we changed the channel name to be more precise
18:39:41 <b_jonas> ``` hg log --removed -T "{rev}|{date|shortdate}|{desc}\n" -r 378 /hackenv/wisdom/welcome
18:39:43 <HackEso> 378|2012-05-06|<elliott> learn Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
18:39:59 <b_jonas> so the mention of Dalnet there was added in 2012
18:44:22 <fizzie> netsplit.de doesn't find an #esoteric in either DALnet or EFnet; though there is #luciferianism in EFnet that has the word in its topic, but that sounds more specific.
18:44:46 <fizzie> > 38 users - 42 minutes ago - current topic: ðð¥☀️w/ #satanism |Damn 'God'. Hail Lucifer!| www.mathematicon.com fox.com/lucifer gnosis.org #atheism #esoteric #gnosis #pagan #spiritual
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15:37:35 <cpressey> b_jonas, tromp: Thank you for the discussion yesterday. There's a tradition in functional programming languages for function values to be opaque and it was useful for me to have it hammered home that this is *not* a heritage from the lambda calculus
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16:35:36 <b_jonas> As far as I know, function values are opaque mostly for convenience, because it's hard to define a stable interface to examine a function that still allows your language to be extended with new features that you can use in a function and/or new optimizations. Functions are kind-of opaque in C too. In theory if you're on a specific architecture, there's nothing stopping you from reading the bytes of the
16:35:42 <b_jonas> code of a function (and everything else that it references), because the CPU rules and the ABI are known, it's just that there's not much useful that you can do with that other than reverse-engineering and malware detection.
16:36:23 <b_jonas> Not just the code, mind you, you can also read all the debug information that's compiled for your executable.
16:36:54 <b_jonas> With full debug information, you can find out about the prototype of the function, all its local variables and how they're represented at runtime, etc.
16:38:40 <b_jonas> And then there's perl, which has the O module that lets you examine the insides of functions (it lets you examine basically all of perl's internals, but the inside of functions is the important part here).
16:39:10 <b_jonas> Occasionally people even do something weird with this.
16:39:38 <b_jonas> The J language also lets you examine the insides of user-defined functions.
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17:28:56 <zzo38> In PostScript they can be examined (and modified) by default but you can write "executeonly" to prevent them from being examined in this way. (Although I think some instruction sets also have a "execute only" mode, or at least to prevent reading by anyone other than that function itself?)
17:30:39 <esolangs> [[Osmarkscalculator]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119941&oldid=119939 * Osmarks * (+264) infobox
17:30:58 <b_jonas> as far as I recall, some processor architectures support pages with execute right but no read rights, but x86 doesn't
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18:34:19 <fizzie> There's also the (pure) Harvard vs. von Neumann architecture split, where the former have (conceptually) separate instruction and data memories, and you can't inspect the code of a function, at least without using whatever escape hatch the particular architecture offers to make it possible to dynamically load programs in the first place.
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19:28:58 <zzo38> I think some computers have a pin for program/data so that it is possible to be implemented separately or not separately.
19:29:03 <b_jonas> fizzie: there are systems where code and data are separate but you can read both (with different instructions), but I'm not sure those would count as Harvard
19:29:47 <b_jonas> funnily there are also multiple systems (mostly old with small amount of memory) where data and stack are separate (so that the CPU can implement the stack efficiently)
19:30:06 <b_jonas> and there's one new one among those with data and stack separate: MMIX
19:30:35 <b_jonas> older ones include Forth and some old microprocessors
19:30:58 <b_jonas> heck, Forth is even funnier because it has a heap, data stack, and return stack all separate
19:31:28 <zzo38> Many VMs also have data and stack separate (even if the program is not separate), such as: uxn, Z-machine, etc
19:33:05 <b_jonas> then there's Borland C's small memory model, where code, data, and stack are in separate segments, and pointers know which segment they refer to in type, which has the interesting consequence that scanf can only read into values on the stack.
19:35:10 <zzo38> That is true on PC even if you are not writing in C, although it is possible to assign them to the same segments too
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19:41:43 <b_jonas> Magic-1 has separate address space for data and code, mostly because the addresses are just 16 bit wide so the address space is small. both of them are paged. and there's a CPU instruction for reading from code. well, two, because there's an 8-bit and a 16-bit code read instruction.
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06:52:19 <zzo38> There is three kind of runs (homogeneous, heterogeneous, copy-above), and three attributes of each tile (kind, colour, parameter), and the kind of run can be set independently for each attribute. What is the way to figure out which kinds of runs should be used?
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16:10:50 <tromp> interesting fact: lambda term (λ 1 1) (λ (λ λ λ 1 (λ 1 (4 (λ 4 (λ λ 3 (λ 1 2 3)))) (4 (λ 5 (λ 5 (λ 3 1 (2 1)))))) ((λ 1 1) (λ λ λ 1 (2 (λ 1 2)) (3 3 (λ 3 (λ 2 (1 3))))) 2)) (1 1)) (λ 1 1) contains all closed lambda terms in its expansion
16:13:28 <riv> that's cool!
16:13:42 <tromp> you can obtain any particular term by repeatedly applying the above to a series of bits
16:14:08 <tromp> for example, identity = T 0 0 1 0
16:14:27 <tromp> where 0 is boolean true and 1 is boolean false
16:18:27 <tromp> 0010 happens to be the binary lambda calculus code for identity....
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17:53:33 <esolangs> [[NonSkip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119956&oldid=107292 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-2)
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20:48:53 <tromp> this shorter one contains all S K combinators, and thus also all lambda terms:
20:48:55 <tromp> (λ 1 1) (λ (λ λ λ 1 (λ 3 (1 1 (λ λ λ 3 1 (2 1)))) (3 (λ 4 (λ 4 (2 1))))) (1 1)) (λ 1)
20:49:42 <tromp> all software in the world contained in a one liner:-)
21:29:37 <tromp> or using single point basis {A}:
21:29:39 <tromp> (λ 1 1) (λ (λ λ λ 1 (2 (λ λ λ 3 1 (2 (λ 2)))) (3 (λ 4 (λ 4 (2 1))))) (1 1)) (λ 1)
21:29:48 <tromp> which is exactly 100 bits
22:04:24 <esolangs> [[English]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119959&oldid=119915 * Europe2048 * (+177) Added errors.
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01:02:14 <esolangs> [[Talk:lang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119960&oldid=119933 * Salpynx * (+61) I guess this isn't the shortest interpreter you will "see", but it's the shortest.
03:27:39 <esolangs> [[Categorial]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119961&oldid=88347 * MihaiEso * (+57)
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03:29:58 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119963&oldid=119936 * MihaiEso * (+2) Unreleased = unimplemented!
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06:20:20 <esolangs> [[Dead fish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119972&oldid=119957 * None1 * (+0) /* Commands */
06:21:56 <esolangs> [[Talk:Dead fish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119973 * None1 * (+202) Created page with "I think I said that the accumulator contains value from 0 to 18446744073709551615, so will the smaller truth machine work? --~~~~"
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09:14:05 <esolangs> [[User talk:Redisnotblue]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119974&oldid=119934 * Redisnotblue * (+116) /* Secret text? */
09:14:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Redisnotblue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119975&oldid=119974 * Redisnotblue * (+1)
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09:34:04 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119983&oldid=119911 * Redisnotblue * (+64)
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11:56:38 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Ofiuaebw * New user account
12:15:47 <esolangs> [[User:Rignchen/common.css]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119984 * Rignchen * (+36) Created page with "pre,.mw-code { overflow-x: auto; }"
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14:58:20 <esolangs> [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119987&oldid=119637 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+11) /* 2023 */
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15:46:20 <esolangs> [[Mountain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119991&oldid=119990 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+805) Removed redirect to [[Mountain/Old]]
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16:11:45 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119996&oldid=119914 * NameGoesThere * (+43) /* Important Math Formulas */
16:28:43 <esolangs> [[Mountain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119997&oldid=119995 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+5) Formatting
16:29:28 <esolangs> [[Mountain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119998&oldid=119997 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) /* Computational class */ Category
16:38:07 <esolangs> [[User:Simple9371]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119999&oldid=108838 * Simple9371 * (-156) Remove some sentences
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19:27:31 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120003&oldid=119982 * Redisnotblue * (-33)
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19:32:53 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120005&oldid=120004 * Redisnotblue * (+395) /* Logic operators */
19:34:13 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120006&oldid=120005 * Redisnotblue * (+22) /* Examples */
19:35:48 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120007&oldid=120006 * Redisnotblue * (+31) /* Hello World */
19:41:41 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120008&oldid=120007 * Redisnotblue * (+0)
19:41:51 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120009&oldid=120008 * Redisnotblue * (+1) /* Hello World */
19:42:50 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120010&oldid=120009 * Redisnotblue * (+13) /* Hello World */
19:44:14 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120011&oldid=120010 * Redisnotblue * (-12) /* Hello World */
19:46:12 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120012&oldid=120011 * Redisnotblue * (+165) /* Syntax */
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19:47:49 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120013&oldid=120012 * Redisnotblue * (+14) /* Examples */
19:50:28 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120014&oldid=120013 * Redisnotblue * (+21)
19:51:04 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120015&oldid=120014 * Redisnotblue * (+7)
19:51:14 <esolangs> [[English+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=120016&oldid=120015 * Redisnotblue * (+5) /* Cat */
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22:29:54 <fizzie> Hmf. In preparation for this year's AoC, I've been setting up some scaffolding for Z80 assembly solutions, and I just got enough of it done to be able to run a thing, plus Z80 routines for input and output of 16-bit integers, and a test program for 2022 day 1 part 1, and then it turns the answer was 69836, which just barely doesn't fit in 16 bits.
22:30:12 <fizzie> Oh well. I guess most AoC puzzles would involve larger numbers anyway.
22:55:38 <b_jonas> yeah, you should definitely expect to need numbers larger than 16 bit size for this.
22:56:37 <fizzie> I eyeballed my puzzle inputs for day 1, part 1 and it _looked_ like it might possibly fit.
22:56:53 <fizzie> Not sure why I just didn't look at the answer though.
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23:37:30 <b_jonas> fungot, if a font draws the letter "x" like a turned c and a c ran together, what is the decent term to describe that shape if I don't want to call it asscrack shaped?
23:37:30 <fungot> b_jonas: there have been fnord :) :) :) :)
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23:43:41 <fizzie> I thought there might be a fancy name for it in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Piecewise-circular_curves because there's a bunch of obscure ones made out of arcs, but apparently not.
23:57:55 <b_jonas> I guess I'll have to invent a fancy-sounding term like bilunate