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00:03:56 <fizzie> I'm grateful to that wallops message for reminding me that it's That Day again.
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01:17:59 <b_jonas> fizzie: it's password changing day!
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02:07:22 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125637&oldid=125636 * Function call without parameters * (+575)
02:14:03 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125638&oldid=125637 * Function call without parameters * (+262) /* Extract nth character of string */
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04:11:24 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125639&oldid=125638 * Function call without parameters * (+301) /* Special variables */
04:24:52 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125640&oldid=125639 * Function call without parameters * (+323) /* Data types */
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06:03:52 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125642&oldid=125641 * Function call without parameters * (+239) /* The ~ (join) predicate */
06:15:31 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125643&oldid=125642 * Function call without parameters * (-2) /* The reverse-curtail compound operator (#\) */
06:20:01 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125644&oldid=125643 * Function call without parameters * (+30) /* String operators */
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06:51:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * Function call without parameters * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Stringle Cheat Sheet.png]]": new, more compact layout
07:04:37 <int-e> b_jonas: I never do anything of importance on April Fool's day ;-)
07:48:22 <int-e> . o O ( "April Fools death compilation" )
07:52:25 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125646&oldid=125546 * Cleverxia * (+387) /* JavaScript interpreters */
07:53:00 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125647&oldid=125646 * Cleverxia * (+22) the author
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08:38:20 <int-e> This fucking day, meh.
08:38:54 <int-e> (https://www.speedrun.com/adgac has a fake world record)
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08:46:13 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125648&oldid=125644 * Function call without parameters * (+342)
08:46:52 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * Function call without parameters * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Stringle Cheat Sheet.png]]": @ overload
08:52:35 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125650&oldid=125648 * Function call without parameters * (+9) /* The repeat operator (@ when written to) */
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11:01:33 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125652&oldid=125647 * None1 * (+2) /* OutputF interpreters */
11:38:04 <esolangs> [[Deadfih]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125653 * Cleverxia * (+465) Created page with "Deadfih is an esolang based on [[Deadfish]]. ==Instructions== It's just Deadfish without the S instruction, so: {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! instruction !! meaning |- | i || Increment |- | d || Decrement |- | o || Output as character |} ==Examples== pri
11:38:44 <esolangs> [[Deadfih]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125654&oldid=125653 * Cleverxia * (+69) /* Instructions */
11:39:02 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125655&oldid=125567 * PrySigneToFry * (+49)
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11:44:16 <esolangs> [[Deadfih]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125657&oldid=125654 * Cleverxia * (+35)
11:44:33 <esolangs> [[Free Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125658&oldid=125598 * PrySigneToFry * (+1)
11:51:07 <esolangs> [[JCLN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125659&oldid=97027 * Cleverxia * (-6)
11:54:06 <esolangs> [[Oh, fuck!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125660&oldid=125600 * PrySigneToFry * (+145)
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12:06:30 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Tscoct * New user account
12:14:28 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125662&oldid=125569 * Tscoct * (+290) /* Introductions */
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12:35:53 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck extended]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125663&oldid=113443 * None1 * (+0) /* Register Commands */
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12:54:42 <b_jonas> `slashlearn The password of the month is tan(pi/16) = 1/5.
12:54:43 <HackEso> Usage: `le/[/]rn <key>//<wisdom>
12:54:51 <b_jonas> `slashlearn password//The password of the month is tan(pi/16) = 1/5.
12:54:55 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is tan(pi/16) = 1/5.
12:54:58 <b_jonas> `? password
12:55:00 <HackEso> The password of the month is tan(pi/16) = 1/5.
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12:58:44 <b_jonas> nice, it's not just stupid ones, some people have made high effort april fools stuff with
12:59:57 <b_jonas> (more will be coming on Sigbovik I hope)
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13:02:24 <b_jonas> I'm currently watching and laughing at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXr-_bDnnN4
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13:03:07 <b_jonas> it has proper closed captioning too
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13:26:58 <esolangs> [[Free Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125665&oldid=125658 * MihaiEso * (+25) /* Categories */
13:32:17 <esolangs> [[Mariofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125666&oldid=125599 * MihaiEso * (+87) /* Python */
13:41:21 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck Python interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125667&oldid=122129 * None1 * (+968)
13:56:30 <esolangs> [[Hanzifuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125668 * MihaiEso * (+4989) Created page with "'''Hanzifuck''' is a esolang made by Mihai Popa. It's [[Brainfuck]], but you only use Chinese characters instead of symbols to make programs. ''What to do?'' '''Just speak Chinese!''' Idea by [[User:None1|None1]] and [[User:PrySigneToFry|PrySigneToFry]]! == Table
13:56:52 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125669&oldid=125489 * MihaiEso * (+115)
13:57:17 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125670&oldid=125606 * MihaiEso * (+16) /* H */
14:28:08 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125671 * MihaiEso * (+1368) Created page with "{{WIP}} UserEdited is a language made by Mihai Popa. You can add more commands if you wish because this is user-edited! ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" |+ Command list |- ! Command !! Meaning !! Added by |- | <code>H</code>|| Prints "Hello, world!". || [[User:Miha
14:29:10 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125672&oldid=125669 * MihaiEso * (+41) /* List of my esolangs */
14:42:31 <esolangs> [[User:Shamrocky]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125673&oldid=124125 * Shamrocky * (+120) /* NieR: Automata */
14:50:36 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125674&oldid=125671 * MihaiEso * (+967) /* Commands */ Added 7 more commands.
14:53:36 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125675&oldid=125674 * MihaiEso * (+85)
15:09:02 <esolangs> [[A programming language is a system of notation for writing computer programs.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125676&oldid=123118 * TheThunderGuyS * (-54) fix
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15:10:19 <ais523> unless I'm missing a word, English seems not to have a word to describe things that have around a 30-40% chance of happening
15:10:34 <ais523> "possible" is frequently more like 10%, and "probable" and "likely" above 50%
15:10:58 <ais523> this is bothering me quite a bit because it makes it hard to discuss events of that nature
15:11:02 <b_jonas> ais523: there's "sometimes"
15:11:23 <FireFly> "occasional"?
15:11:33 <ais523> b_jonas: that works for an inconsistently recurring event, but not for an event that is expected to happen at a given time or not at all
15:11:34 <FireFly> maybe that's implying less too
15:11:50 <FireFly> mm fair
15:11:53 <ais523> I can say "it is likely to rain tonight", but "it will sometimes rain tonight" has the wrong meaning
15:12:06 <ais523> (implying that it will rain at some points but not others during the night)
15:12:29 <FireFly> "possible" kinda works in my mind for that kinda possibility too
15:12:54 <esolangs> [[Hanzifuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125677&oldid=125668 * MihaiEso * (+7)
15:14:15 <b_jonas> hmm
15:15:51 <fizzie> What's the probability for "it may rain tonight"?
15:17:14 <b_jonas> so you'd have to say something complicated like "it's more likely than not that it won't rain tonight"
15:17:39 <fizzie> Funny how probable and likely are > 50% but improbable and unlikely are < 10%.
15:17:45 <ais523> fizzie: I think that covers a range from 1% up to about 60% or maybe 70%
15:19:49 <ais523> but I have enough experience as a programmer that it may be influencing the way I interpret English statements
15:24:00 <ais523> meanwhile, how are the April 1 celebrations going? I'm expecting it to be pretty muted this year, given what's been going on with the major tech companies recently
15:26:39 <b_jonas> ais523: Sigbovik is delayed to 2024-04-05, so some of the celebration will be then. There's one high-effort april fools video out with a lot of detailed work in it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXr-_bDnnN4
15:26:57 <b_jonas> there's probably more stuff out there that I haven't seen yet
15:27:50 <b_jonas> also it's still a government holiday in a large part of Europe
15:28:52 <ais523> yes, the timing of Easter this year causes complications
15:29:33 <fizzie> I did chuckle at the libera.cat rebrand, even if it is kind of... eh.
15:29:40 <ais523> in the UK it is a "bank holiday", which is observed by most businesses except shops (the name comes from the fact that banks are closed)
15:31:01 <fizzie> (Did see a few people go from a `user/foo` cloak to a `user/meow/foo` one too.)
15:31:38 <b_jonas> heh, indeed there are some right on this channel
15:32:09 <ais523> Wikipedia is doing its usual April 1 celebration, which is the same every year but done because it works so well
15:32:19 <b_jonas> yep
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15:43:39 <fizzie> There was a bad one in my newsfeed from one of the more ad-riddled local news sites about giving all the Tube lines new names, as a follow-up of giving all the Overground lines names (which was a real thing that happened).
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15:44:29 <ais523> giving the Overground lines names was reasonable, though
15:44:33 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125678&oldid=125662 * Xff * (+170)
15:45:00 <ais523> (it is a change I am neutral about – I didn't have trouble using the Overground beforehand, on those occasions when I was in London)
15:46:35 <esolangs> [[User:Tscoct]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125679 * Tscoct * (+36) Created page with "barely knoiw how to use a calculator"
15:47:02 <fizzie> I'm equally neutral of them having names, though I feel like I'm probably not going to learn them. There's just one (less-than-yearly) repeat journey that the Overground is useful for me, anyway.
15:47:13 <fizzie> Finally managed to try out the Elizabeth Line the other day, though.
15:48:15 <b_jonas> fizzie: I think a joke about that was made before april. let me find it,
15:49:15 <fizzie> Apparently Aldi's joke this year was about haggis-flavoured ice cream branded "Häggis-Dazs", that's kind of funny.
15:50:13 <ais523> I go to London rarely enough that, if I'm not under time pressure, I often take inefficient routes on the Underground just for the experience
15:50:23 <ais523> (I used to go more often, but still rarely enough that I would do that)
15:50:40 <b_jonas> https://www.samizdata.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/New-Overland-Lines.png
15:50:46 <ais523> here, I'm using "Underground" to include the Overground, which is probably not technically correct
15:51:03 <ais523> but there isn't a huge distinction between them (the Underground is also aboveground sometimes)
15:51:34 <b_jonas> https://www.datasecretslox.com/index.php/topic,11028.msg485078.html#msg485078 for dating
15:57:03 <fizzie> Yeah, I think there's only two lines that have no above-ground sections; Victoria Line, which I used to commute on, and the Waterloo & City Line which barely counts as a line since it has just two stops on it.
15:57:07 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125680&oldid=125678 * MihaiEso * (+5)
15:57:20 <b_jonas> yeah, the distinction gets tricky. in Budapest the Metro and HÉV differs in what company runs them, but I think that gets reorganized every few decades anyway; that the HÉV has a more complicated pricing scheme, but at one point they invented a complicated scheme for the metro too, they just discontinued that since; that the HÉV has level train-road crossings, but only the outer parts, the parts
15:57:27 <b_jonas> closer to the city center don't, so maybe if the metro lines reached far enough out they'd get them too; and that you're allowed to carry bicycles on the HÉV, but then there are also a few tram lines on which you're allowed to carry bicycles and that doesn't make them a separate category of transportation.
15:58:34 <b_jonas> Paris does the distinction cleanly: the Metro drives on the right hand side, the RER drives on the left hand side. in Budapest the Metro and most of the HÉV lines run on the right hand side, but one HÉV lines run on the left.
15:59:26 <b_jonas> the HÉV is mostly above ground and the Metro is mostly underground, but it's just mostly
15:59:51 <b_jonas> some cities in germany have both U-Bahn and S-Bahn with similarly unclear distinctions
16:01:35 <b_jonas> oh, and by the way, do you know what the most clear distinction is between Metro/HÉV and other (usually but not necessarily long distance) passenger trains? it's that trains have a toilet.
16:02:38 <b_jonas> that's it, that's the only universally observed one. usually there's the distinction that on the Metro/HÉV the passengers can't pass between carriages while the train is moving, while on trains they can, but there are some older smaller trains where you can't walk between the wagons either
16:04:11 <fizzie> London has the same fare zones for the TfL-operated things (Underground, Overground, ...) and the National Rail ones (various operators who run suburban trains in addition to longer-distance ones), but as a quirk it costs more if you mix them in the same journey. Not quite as much as two separate journeys, but significantly more than sticking to one of the two, even between the same zones.
16:04:15 <b_jonas> so as stupid as it sounds, the clearest definition of a metro is that it's a railway without a toilet
16:04:19 <b_jonas> `? metro
16:04:22 <HackEso> metro? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:04:23 <b_jonas> `? u-bahn
16:04:24 <b_jonas> `? underground
16:04:25 <HackEso> u-bahn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:04:27 <HackEso> underground? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:04:45 <int-e> `? subway
16:04:47 <HackEso> subway? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:04:58 <ais523> fizzie: I'd expect the National Rail ones to have a different pricing structure entirely
16:05:56 <ais523> and I think mixing them is comparable to buying two tickets with a discount
16:06:03 <ais523> rather than being one ticket
16:06:35 <fizzie> Well, sort of. But if you buy a season ticket from TfL, it also applies to National Rail trains in the zones.
16:06:50 <ais523> (although it's one physical ticket, I have frequently been bought the "travel from elsewhere in the UK + travelcard within London" type of National Rail ticket on expenses when I needed to make a trip to London for work purposes)
16:07:31 <fizzie> Back when I paid for a yearly ticket I used to do a train + tube combination, but now that I only commute 3 days a week that's no longer cost-efficient.
16:12:14 <fizzie> (Also both kinds of trains count towards the same automatically applied daily and weekly caps.)
16:13:40 <ais523> nowadays I just use a contactless card for travel in London, given that it automatically works out the cheapest sort of ticket you could have bought given the journeys that you're making
16:14:13 <ais523> (I think doing that gives TfL more profit than actually making people specify the tickets would, because it saves money on ticket machines and employees)
16:15:02 <fizzie> It's weird to me that TfL has no concept of a tube-and-bus multimodal journey; those are just two entirely separate things. There's the "Hopper" fare for catching a second (or more generally, a subsequent) bus for free within an interval (80 minutes?) from the start of the first journey. But not across modalities.
16:15:44 <esolangs> [[Numberfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125681&oldid=119204 * MihaiEso * (+18) /* See also */
16:17:43 <ais523> when travelling in London, I get the impression that a tube+bus multimodal journey would be a massive faux pas for some reason
16:18:06 <ais523> like, it's something that just generally isn't done
16:18:36 <ais523> possibly this is because tube stations are so densely distributed that it's hard to see what gain you could get from combining the modes
16:21:00 <fizzie> In zone 1 it wouldn't make any sense, but if you go farther out you could definitely save some time. I had a maybe 15-20 minute walk at the home end of my commute in the previous place we lived in, with really frequent bus service along that road. So it could objectively save time, even if it was a perfectly walkable distance.
16:22:12 <fizzie> And that was still just zone 2.
16:22:30 <ais523> the fastest possible journey home by bus from my old workplace required changing bus twice, and having a new bus arrive perfectly after the change each time
16:22:43 <ais523> I actually managed it once
16:22:58 <ais523> but normally, I took routes with fewer buses even though they took longer, due to using less direct routes, and/or added substantial walks
16:23:10 <ais523> so I guess adding a bus onto the end of the tube journey could save time if one happened to arrive at that moment
16:23:55 <fizzie> You can hop™ between buses and the TfL trams, incidentally. Even though the tram here is quite light-rail-y rather than what I traditionally associate with the word "tram".
16:24:27 <fizzie> But the trams share the same "single fare no matter where you're going" pricing model as buses.
16:24:30 <ais523> trams in the UK seem to basically be a mix of traditional trams and light rail, on the same vehicle
16:24:46 <ais523> light rail when a route for it is available, and traditional trams when it isn't
16:25:06 <ais523> it's basically a way of implementing light rail in a situation where the routes wouldn't quite connect up properly
16:26:36 <b_jonas> in Budapest, bus combined with metro is the norm. the network is built such that most buses connect to a metro station, so to go from anywhere to anywhere in general you take *the* bus that takes you inwards, then use the metros, then take *the* bus that takes you outwards to your destination. but most trips are between home to offices and the offices are usually placed in the inner city such that there
16:26:42 <b_jonas> are more ways to get there.
16:27:09 <b_jonas> the exception is if you're in Csepel, the poorest part of the town, in which case you're screwed, you don't get a metro connection or anything so convenient
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16:28:22 <b_jonas> also this approximation works even better if you consider tram 6 as if it were a metro for routing purposes
16:28:49 <b_jonas> it goes very frequently, runs at most nights, and connects to lots of lines
16:32:53 <fizzie> That's what they did in Helsinki(/Espoo), when the subway was extended to the east they also reworked the bus lines to make most of them to just feed in to the subway.
16:33:16 <fizzie> Angering a lot of people who now have to switch when before they had a single bus journey.
16:33:46 <fizzie> Uh, s/east/west/
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19:18:25 <esolangs> [[Permission denied]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125685&oldid=125684 * EvyLah * (+1) whoops
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22:06:13 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125686&oldid=125682 * Function call without parameters * (+162)
22:26:44 <esolangs> [[Brainstar]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125687 * LEOMOK * (+1925) Created page with "'''Brainstar''' is a Turing-complete programming language which is a cross between [[Branflakes]] and [[Rockstar]]. It preserves [[Rockstar]]'s poetic literals, while keeping [[Branflakes]]'s numeric tape. ==Instructions== Brainstar operates on an infinite tape of sig
22:37:20 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125688&oldid=125686 * Function call without parameters * (+157) /* The curtail operator (# when written to) */
22:41:06 <esolangs> [[Brainstar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125689&oldid=125687 * LEOMOK * (+31)
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22:56:07 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125690&oldid=125688 * Function call without parameters * (+102) /* The curtail operator (# when written to) */
23:08:25 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125691&oldid=125690 * Function call without parameters * (+4) /* The curtail operator (# when written to) */
23:15:01 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125692&oldid=125691 * Function call without parameters * (+255) /* Overloaded operator pass-through */
23:20:53 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125693&oldid=125692 * Function call without parameters * (+226) /* String operators */
23:29:10 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125694&oldid=125675 * None1 * (+131) /* Commands */
23:45:27 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125695&oldid=125693 * Function call without parameters * (+0) /* Overloaded operator pass-through */
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00:06:20 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125696&oldid=125695 * Function call without parameters * (+341) /* Number representation */
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00:18:51 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125697&oldid=125696 * Function call without parameters * (+811) /* String operators */
00:20:35 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125698&oldid=125697 * Function call without parameters * (-62) /* The * (pointer) operator */
00:23:05 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125699&oldid=125698 * Function call without parameters * (+85) /* Number representation */
00:26:18 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125700&oldid=125699 * Function call without parameters * (+221) /* Numeric operators */
00:32:50 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125701&oldid=125700 * Function call without parameters * (+436) /* Number representation */
00:40:03 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125702&oldid=125701 * Function call without parameters * (+321) /* Syntax */
00:58:54 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125703&oldid=125702 * Function call without parameters * (+313) /* Overloaded operator pass-through */
01:11:53 <b_jonas> turns out, there's an april fools submission on tasvideos, it's just a bit late for april fools => https://tasvideos.org/8991S
01:12:48 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125704&oldid=125703 * Function call without parameters * (+504)
01:31:28 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125705&oldid=125704 * Function call without parameters * (+813) /* Overloading */
01:40:43 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125706&oldid=125705 * Function call without parameters * (+105) /* Overloading */
01:45:49 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125707&oldid=125706 * Function call without parameters * (-6) /* The curtail operator (# when written to) */
01:48:56 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125708&oldid=125707 * Function call without parameters * (+33) /* Compound verbs */
01:50:10 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125709&oldid=125708 * Function call without parameters * (+2) /* Number representation */
01:51:35 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125710&oldid=125709 * Function call without parameters * (+2) /* Unary mathematics */
01:55:05 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125711&oldid=125710 * Function call without parameters * (+100) /* The ^ (extend) predicate */
04:09:02 <esolangs> [[Brainstar]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125712&oldid=125689 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+103) Categories
04:11:38 <esolangs> [[-Data Storage]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125713&oldid=125625 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+90) Categories
04:12:26 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck Python interpreter (ChatGPT)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125714&oldid=125628 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+8) Links
04:14:51 <esolangs> [[BFMacros]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125715&oldid=125618 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+52) Categories
04:16:34 <esolangs> [[Self-replicating marbles/Snippets]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125716&oldid=125530 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) Category
04:17:36 <esolangs> [[Self-replicating marbles]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125717&oldid=125580 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+28) Category
04:20:36 <esolangs> [[Kiwiscript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125718&oldid=125539 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+157) Categories
04:22:46 <esolangs> [[Human Words]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125719&oldid=125474 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+55) Categories
04:28:57 <esolangs> [[Fetlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125720&oldid=63869 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+100) Categories
05:29:26 <Swryl> int-e: Years ago, you and I conversed regarding queue automata and combinatory logic. You pasted some snippets and the conversation started here: https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2018-12.html#liSb -- Do you happen to have those snippets? The pastes are gone.
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06:39:38 <esolangs> [[Maybe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125721&oldid=124953 * Indidee * (+444)
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08:02:04 <int-e> Swryl: this was the final one I thunk: https://paste.debian.net/1312772/
08:02:57 <int-e> 0 being the initial state?
08:08:14 <int-e> (with interpreter and spoilers: https://paste.debian.net/1312773/ )
08:08:45 <int-e> I don't have the earlier versions.
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10:24:46 <esolangs> [[Addo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125722&oldid=108540 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+204) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Addo programming language on GitHub and supplemented two page categories.
10:28:35 <esolangs> [[Addo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125723&oldid=125722 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+246) Introduced an examples section comprehending an aefauld initial member.
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10:32:16 <esolangs> [[OISC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125724&oldid=125075 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+87) Supplemented an entry for the language Addo in the listing.
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11:39:13 <esolangs> [[Use of AI in esoteric languages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125725&oldid=125301 * None1 * (+122)
11:40:48 <esolangs> [[Use of AI in esoteric languages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125726&oldid=125725 * None1 * (-6) remove an's, hyphen
11:42:27 <esolangs> [[Use of AI in esoteric languages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125727&oldid=125726 * None1 * (+44) /* Esolang programs generated by AI */
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11:56:26 <anthk_> hello, anyone has a guide on subleq?
12:31:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:Stringle]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125728 * PkmnQ * (+264) Created page with "== Character escaping == Does character escaping exist? I was planning to make a quine, but that would require newlines and quotes, neither of which I see how to put in a string currently. --~~~~"
12:42:49 <esolangs> [[Braincrash]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125729&oldid=73779 * Cleverxia * (+509)
12:47:34 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125730&oldid=125433 * None1 * (+199) /* Normal implementations */
12:48:09 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125731&oldid=125730 * None1 * (-2) /* Normal implementations */
12:58:48 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125732&oldid=125731 * None1 * (+39) /* Implementations including Hardware */
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14:04:56 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125733&oldid=125629 * None1 * (+1272) /* Result */ Retested
14:07:08 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125734&oldid=125733 * None1 * (+75) /* Result */
14:09:46 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * None1 * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Brainfuck speed chart.png]]": Retested
14:12:00 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125736&oldid=125734 * None1 * (+3) /* Result */
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15:11:10 <esolangs> [[Get there]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125739 * Yayimhere * (+1089) Created page with "'''get there''' is a esolang where need to use a stack to go to each line. else than that there is these operations: w: push a number onto the stack q: pop the bottom value of the stack t: push a value to the stack as a ascii character. fu: print the full stack
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15:21:10 <esolangs> [[Brainf*ck implementations]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125740 * MihaiEso * (+39) Redirected page to [[Brainfuck implementations]]
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15:28:29 <esolangs> [[Brainf*** implementations]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125741 * MihaiEso * (+39) Redirected page to [[Brainfuck implementations]]
15:28:35 <esolangs> [[Brain**** implementations]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125742 * MihaiEso * (+39) Redirected page to [[Brainfuck implementations]]
15:29:33 <esolangs> [[Brainfu implementations]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125743 * MihaiEso * (+39) Redirected page to [[Brainfuck implementations]]
15:29:47 <esolangs> [[Brainfu]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125744 * MihaiEso * (+23) Redirected page to [[Brainfuck]]
15:37:07 <esolangs> [[Talk:Hanzifuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125745 * MihaiEso * (+540) Created page with "== Responses from Chinese people (if any) == PrySigneToFry response: @[[User:PrySigneToFry|PrySigneToFry]] I created my own version of Brainfuck with Hanzi (Chinese characters) as you created many versions. Best wishes. ~~~~ None1 response: @[[User:None1|None
15:37:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Hanzifuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125746&oldid=125745 * MihaiEso * (+220)
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15:59:52 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Yayimhere * moved [[Get there]] to [[Esolang:Get there]]
16:01:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move_redir * Yayimhere * moved [[Esolang:Get there]] to [[Get there]] over redirect
16:01:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete_redir * Yayimhere * Yayimhere deleted redirect [[Get there]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[Esolang:Get there]]"
16:05:15 <fizzie> Never really thought of it, but it's a little unfortunate that the namespace prefix for meta-articles is "Esolang:", since it also sounds like a prefix for, well, esolangs.
16:12:20 <esolangs> [[Bracket]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125751&oldid=125066 * PaxtonPenguin * (+0)
16:12:46 <esolangs> [[Bracket]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125752&oldid=125751 * PaxtonPenguin * (+0) Oops
16:13:26 <esolangs> [[Punktuation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125753&oldid=124352 * PaxtonPenguin * (+33)
16:49:51 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125754&oldid=125672 * MihaiEso * (+551)
16:50:11 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125755&oldid=125279 * MihaiEso * (+26) /* See also */
16:50:48 <esolangs> [[!English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125756&oldid=125755 * MihaiEso * (+42) /* See also */
16:51:12 <esolangs> [[Translated !English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125757&oldid=125471 * MihaiEso * (+32) /* See also */
16:53:10 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Get there]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125758&oldid=125750 * MihaiEso * (+37) Removed redirect to [[Get there]]
17:08:34 <esolangs> [[Arraything]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125759&oldid=119171 * PaxtonPenguin * (+6)
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17:57:24 <esolangs> [[+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125760&oldid=120338 * EvyLah * (+194) implementations
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18:12:15 <esolangs> [[Get there]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125761&oldid=125749 * Yayimhere * (+19)
18:12:42 <esolangs> [[Get there]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125762&oldid=125761 * Yayimhere * (+2)
18:12:55 <esolangs> [[Get there]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125763&oldid=125762 * Yayimhere * (-21)
18:17:49 <esolangs> [[Get there]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125764&oldid=125763 * Yayimhere * (+41)
18:18:53 <b_jonas> fizzie: you can just call that namespace Project: instead. I often do that on some mediawikis where I don't want to type the local name of that namespace.
18:26:33 <b_jonas> in theory you can change the name of the namespace when you install your mediawiki instance. you can probably still get away with changing it as long as you set up a namespace alias from the current prefix Esolangs:
18:36:25 <esolangs> [[-Output]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125765&oldid=125326 * EvyLah * (+162) add string length command \_()_/
18:37:14 <Swryl> int-e: Thank you, very much appreciated.
18:39:42 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125766&oldid=125737 * MihaiEso * (+739) Added 4 commands for UserEdited 3.1 and 4 commands for UserEdited 4.0 (TBA).
18:40:56 <esolangs> [[+Output]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125767&oldid=125325 * EvyLah * (+39) hi interpreter
18:42:56 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125768&oldid=125490 * MihaiEso * (+71) /* Horribly translated variants */
18:57:56 <esolangs> [[Everyonelang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125769&oldid=125627 * EvyLah * (+327) yes
19:01:21 <esolangs> [[.exe]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125770&oldid=122830 * EvyLah * (+22) /* C++ */
19:09:17 <esolangs> [[User:DomiDave]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125771 * DomiDave * (+396) Created page with "X'YX*^$X@Y@X'*^$^$$^$X@Y@Y'X*^$X@Y@Y'X*^$X@Y@Y'X*=^$X@Y@Y'X*^$^$======^$========^$X@Y@X'*'+^$| ~~~~, creator of [https://esolangs.org/wiki/migraine Migraine]"
19:09:46 <esolangs> [[User:DomiDave]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125772&oldid=125771 * DomiDave * (-26)
19:14:41 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Esolang:Get there]]": cross-namespace redirect created by mistake
19:14:59 <ais523> I agree that the Esolang: prefix causes problems occasionally
19:24:06 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125773&oldid=125738 * DomiDave * (+188)
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20:07:22 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125774&oldid=125711 * Function call without parameters * (+34) /* Compound verbs */
20:12:27 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125775&oldid=125774 * Function call without parameters * (+410) /* Why pass-through is useful */
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20:38:40 <esolangs> [[Interrobang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125776&oldid=124221 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+122) Categories
20:44:21 <esolangs> [[Get there]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125777&oldid=125764 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+108) Lowercase, categories
20:45:23 <esolangs> [[Get there]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125778&oldid=125777 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) Category
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20:50:03 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125779&oldid=125775 * Function call without parameters * (+251) /* The curtail operator (# when written to) */
20:50:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * Function call without parameters * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Stringle Cheat Sheet.png]]"
20:57:23 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125781&oldid=125779 * Function call without parameters * (+85)
20:57:50 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125782&oldid=125781 * Function call without parameters * (+12) /* Overloading */
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21:06:33 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125783&oldid=125782 * Function call without parameters * (+278) /* The reverse-curtail compound operator (#\) */
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21:10:56 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125784&oldid=125783 * Function call without parameters * (+21) /* The curtail / prune operator (# when written to) */
21:17:21 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125785&oldid=125784 * Function call without parameters * (+10) /* Why pass-through is useful */
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21:36:16 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125786&oldid=125785 * Function call without parameters * (+29) /* Overloading */
21:39:57 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125787&oldid=125786 * Function call without parameters * (+89) /* Number representation */
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22:41:05 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125791&oldid=125790 * Function call without parameters * (-66) /* Extract nth character of string */
22:50:02 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125792&oldid=125791 * Function call without parameters * (+168) /* Numeric operators */
22:53:27 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125793&oldid=125792 * Function call without parameters * (+1) /* Numeric operators */
22:58:46 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125794&oldid=125793 * Function call without parameters * (+107) /* The curtail / prune operator (# when written to) */
23:24:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Hanzifuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125795&oldid=125746 * None1 * (+235) /* Responses from Chinese people (if any) */
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02:44:53 <zzo38> I had partially made a static site generator, but with Scorpion instead of HTML.
03:20:12 <zzo38> (I don't actually know much about how to make a static site generator, but I will do and then we will see what it will do.)
04:21:42 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125796&oldid=125794 * Function call without parameters * (-118) /* Add two numeric values */
04:27:52 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125797&oldid=125796 * Function call without parameters * (-34) /* The * (pointer) operator */
04:58:09 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125798&oldid=125797 * Function call without parameters * (+700)
05:07:39 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125799&oldid=125798 * Function call without parameters * (-9) /* ROT-13 encoder/decoder */
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11:30:33 <wib_jonas> huh, so mozilla made https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko_DOM_Reference a broken link now, and the HTML DOM reference is at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document_Object_Model
12:09:13 <esolangs> [[Impossible.bf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125800&oldid=102909 * Cleverxia * (+121) categories?
12:14:26 <wib_jonas> while we're there, I have a question. is there some way in the HTML DOM for a webpage to read your timezone directly, or do they have to like localtime multiple timestamps to figure out which DST rules are in effect?
12:18:12 <int-e> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13/determine-a-users-timezone/22625076#22625076
12:36:26 <wib_jonas> int-e: thank you
12:53:28 <int-e> "We're sorry but the CVE Website doesn't work properly without JavaScript enabled. Please enable it to continue."
12:53:37 <int-e> Of all people...
12:54:11 <int-e> (I'll get it from NVD then, thanks.)
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13:52:16 <esolangs> [[12345678]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125801 * None1 * (+420) Created page with "'''12345678''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]] when he noticed that he didn't invent many Chinese brainfuck equivalents, also because he encountered one of his own brainfuck equivalents by random page. ==Commands== The commands: represent: +-<>,.[] in [[brainf
13:55:08 <esolangs> [[12345678]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125802&oldid=125801 * None1 * (+944) /* Example programs */
13:55:53 <esolangs> [[12345678]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125803&oldid=125802 * None1 * (+1020) /* Example programs */
13:56:20 <esolangs> [[12345678]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125804&oldid=125803 * None1 * (-919) /* Interpreter in Python */
13:57:04 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125805&oldid=125670 * None1 * (+15) /* Non-alphabetic */
13:57:56 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125806&oldid=125607 * None1 * (+39) /* My Esolangs */
13:58:19 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125807&oldid=125806 * None1 * (+0) /* My Esolangs */
13:59:23 <esolangs> [[SetGoto]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125808&oldid=99898 * None1 * (+2)
14:43:29 <esolangs> [[Get there]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125809&oldid=125778 * Yayimhere * (+103)
14:44:43 <esolangs> [[Get there]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125810&oldid=125809 * Yayimhere * (-36)
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15:24:55 <esolangs> [[User:Yayimhere]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125811 * Yayimhere * (+62) Created page with "hello. im yayimhere. i have created one esolang: [[get there]]"
15:35:37 <sknebel> https://mastodon.social/@TartanLlama/112207900349948701
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15:36:07 <sknebel> https://github.com/TartanLlama/dwarbf "A Brainfuck interpreter written in DWARF debug information"
16:10:26 <fizzie> Missed chance to call it BWARF, which could have been more in line with the reaction of people encountering it.
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16:16:20 <int-e> Why does that remind me of Spaceballs?
16:16:55 <int-e> (They have a character called Barf)
16:17:23 <int-e> (Which they /could/ have spelled differently but didn't.)
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16:49:14 <wib_jonas> this draft https://www.w3.org/TR/css-conditional-3/ specifies a way that CSS stylesheets can include conditionals depending on whether the browser supports a CSS feature. theoretically useful, since CSS keeps growing infinitely, though of course practical uses will only come up five years into the future. it doesn't seem like it makes CSS alone
16:49:15 <wib_jonas> turing-complete yet, but who knows. however,
16:50:43 <wib_jonas> I'll have to test this, but I think this might finally give us a way to write a HTML that uses MathML conditionally in browsers that support it, but display fallback HTML in other browsers. that was what I was missing from MathML, no easy way to embed a fallback, which means you don't want to use MathML in practice unless the user explicitly
16:50:44 <wib_jonas> requests it.
16:52:29 <wib_jonas> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@supports is the docs on MDN for this feature
16:53:28 <wib_jonas> nice. I'll have to try this at some point, trying to write a HTML+CSS that displays a formula as fallback HTML normally, but tries to conditionally replace it with MathML if some MathML CSS property is supported
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17:49:02 <zzo38> I think that HTML and CSS is too messy. So, they have to change it to make it even more messy to fix it and that does not even work very well either. (Designing browsers for better user control would also be an improvement, though.) (And, I don't know if it is Turing-complete yet.)
17:54:20 <zzo38> I didn't know they made brainfuck with DWARF but now I can see that they can.
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18:38:01 <b_jonas> zzo38: certainly this is a kludge, MathML in first place should have been defined in a way that allows graceful fallback for browsers that don't support it.
19:02:23 <zzo38> Yes, that would have helped
19:07:23 <zzo38> People who wanted to make less messy have made other protocols and file formats, and in some cases different kind of subsets of HTTP and HTML (although I have also seen one that uses HTTP with an extra header).
19:11:39 <zzo38> Such as Gemini, although there are some criticisms such as mandatory TLS (I think it should be optional), etc. They also wanted to make it non-extensible, but my opinion is that the non-extensibility does not actually work; there are many ways to add extensions anyways (e.g. in the X.509 certificate) and it cannot really be prevented.
19:13:49 <b_jonas> I like it when protocols and formats are extensible in a way that lets old clients fall back. HTTP and HTML has a lot of extensions of this sort already. I can support just whatever subset of HTTP (whether as a client or server) as I want and it will work, then later add support for more. Same for HTML. MathML was just designed stupidly in this respect.
19:15:36 <b_jonas> If you don't design something extensible then people will just invent non-backwards-compatible extensions or replacements for it, so it's a bad strategy.
19:16:49 <zzo38> Yes, it is what I thought too
19:18:04 <zzo38> Also, most of these formats seem to have been designed to do a subset of the features of WWW, and do not really have any extra stuff (although Gemini allows for client certificates; while this is possible with WWW, this is uncommon and it seems to work better in Gemini).
19:19:43 <zzo38> (Scorpion does do a few things that WWW doesn't have, such as the possibility of mixed character sets (something that I think was added to HTML+ but was abandoned), TRON character code, and the conversion file.)
19:27:00 <b_jonas> what does "mixed character sets" mean?
19:27:24 <b_jonas> in HTML, how that works is that you can use ampersand entities to use characters that aren't in the source encoding of HTML
19:27:33 <b_jonas> but I'm not sure if that counts as "mixed character sets"
19:28:04 <zzo38> You can, but that only works for Unicode characters.
19:30:28 <b_jonas> no, that works for any character that has a named ampersand entity, such as &aacute;, and I think named ampersand entities are older than unicode
19:31:53 <b_jonas> of course later all the characters that browsers typically supported as ampersand entities (the list wasn't quite standardized across browsers) got added to unicode as characters
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19:33:31 <zzo38> I think HTML+ allowed each element to have an optional "charset" attribute
19:35:32 <zzo38> I am not sure that named ampersand entities are older than Unicode, although that probably doesn't matter much anyways since they may have been made independently.
19:38:01 <zzo38> I also have defined the "hashed:" URI scheme (although it is independent of the protocol)
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19:38:49 <b_jonas> maybe it's not older than unicode, but I think there were browsers that support named character entities but not unicode. some named character entities are practically required for HTML, so that you can escape ampersands and less-than signs and double quotes.
19:39:29 <b_jonas> though admittedly ampersands, less-than signs, and double quotes clearly always were unicode characters
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19:43:07 <zzo38> Yes. That is what I meant that they may be independent, that they could work independently. Well, some of them work independently (and some don't work at all). Of course the possibility to escape certain characters is necessary anyways, but that is because they are ASCII characters rather than Unicode. Of course they are Unicode characters, but that is because Unicode is a superset of ASCII.
19:47:09 <zzo38> However, I think that the conversion file is a better way to handle the use of different file formats, etc, which can allow better user control, etc, than the way of using polyfills with WWW which have no way of indicating the use of polyfills in a compatible way, etc
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19:56:18 <zzo38> (The specification is not complete and could be improved, but it does allow for a few things, such as supporting unknown file formats (which is something that WWW doesn't support, actually).)
20:49:44 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125812&oldid=125799 * Function call without parameters * (+450) /* Predicates */
20:51:56 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125813&oldid=125812 * Function call without parameters * (+267) /* loop while (1 word) */
21:24:10 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125814&oldid=125813 * Function call without parameters * (-2) /* FizzBuzz */
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21:54:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Z Z * moved [[Array++]] to [[ObjectFlux]]: Language Renamed
21:55:38 <esolangs> [[ObjectFlux]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125817&oldid=125815 * Z Z * (+21) Noted that work is in progress
21:56:44 <esolangs> [[ObjectFlux]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125818&oldid=125817 * Z Z * (+12) Updated names
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02:35:57 <esolangs> [[12345678]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125819&oldid=125804 * None1 * (+344) /* Example programs */
02:37:05 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125820 * None1 * (+22) Redirected page to [[12345678]]
02:39:39 <esolangs> [[12345678]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125821&oldid=125819 * None1 * (+1364) /* Example programs */
02:40:54 <esolangs> [[12345678]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125822&oldid=125821 * None1 * (+380) /* Kolakoski sequence */
02:44:01 <esolangs> [[Talk:Hanzifuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125823&oldid=125795 * None1 * (+179) /* Responses from Chinese people (if any) */
02:44:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:Hanzifuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125824&oldid=125823 * None1 * (-1) /* Responses from Chinese people (if any) */
03:55:52 <esolangs> [[Betamation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125825&oldid=81313 * Cleverxia * (+47)
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06:59:00 <HackEso> A device is a browser session. Please verify your device.
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09:06:03 <esolangs> [[FizzBuzz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125827&oldid=125577 * Cleverxia * (-3) /* wenyan */
09:24:31 <esolangs> [[Template:Horribly Translated Page]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125828 * MihaiEso * (+102) Created page with ":'''''I horribly translated this page just for the heck of it. The original version is at {{{1}}}'''''"
09:30:12 <esolangs> [[Translated CSharp/Horribly Translated Page]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125829 * MihaiEso * (+2523) Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=Translated C#/Horribly Translated Page}} :{{Horribly Translated Page|[[Translated CSharp]]}} Esolang is produced by Mikhai Popa. It is Cofin, but the translation of Baidu+Go+Yandex+Papago+Microsoft is terrible (but
09:30:35 <esolangs> [[Translated CSharp/Horribly Translated Page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125830&oldid=125829 * MihaiEso * (-1)
09:31:51 <esolangs> [[Template:Horribly Translated Version Available]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125831 * MihaiEso * (+93) Created page with ":'''''I horribly translated this page just for the heck of it. Go, check it out! {{{1}}}'''''"
09:37:22 <esolangs> [[Arch is the best!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125832&oldid=102772 * Cleverxia * (+58)
09:38:23 <esolangs> [[Translated CSharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125833&oldid=123954 * MihaiEso * (+89)
09:39:45 <esolangs> [[User:Tokigun]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125834&oldid=23970 * Tokigun * (+39) Time to get rid of some dust
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09:43:17 <esolangs> [[User:Tokigun]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125836&oldid=125834 * Tokigun * (+114)
09:46:47 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125837&oldid=125652 * Tokigun * (+81) Update a link to esotope-bfc and add 140-byte C impl, which got very popular since 2020 and therefore can be considered notable enough
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10:59:14 <wib_jonas> I was wondering why bank payment cards use a CVC2 code rather than just a card number longer than 12 digits. The typical 12 digit long number seems way too short to me, because you can usually guess the first 6 to 8 digits from the issuing bank and card type, and the last 4 digits are public to the payee and are printed on receipts that you often
10:59:15 <wib_jonas> throw away, plus there's a check digit, so that only leaves 3 to 5 secret digits in the bank card number plus 3 digits in the CVC2 code.
10:59:17 <wib_jonas> One possible explanation is that on some cards, the CVC2 code is printed on the back while the card number is on the front, which makes snooping harder, but that can't be the full story.
11:00:02 <wib_jonas> (Technically there's also an expiry date, but that's also public to the payee, has very low entropy, and the entropy usually isn't re-seeded when the card is replaced.)
11:01:51 <wib_jonas> So anyway, I think part of the explanation is that gyro bank account numbers in Hungary are often 16 digits long (though some are 24 digits long instead). If you made the card number longer then it would look too similar to a bank account number, which is dangerous, because the two have different roles and privacy requirements, so it might make
11:01:51 <wib_jonas> people confuse the two and accidentally reveal card numbers when they shouldn't. A 12-digit bank card number plus a separate field for the 3-digit CVC2 code makes such an accidental confusion harder.
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11:55:14 <fizzie> Credit card numbers are 16 digits, and I feel like that used to be the case in Finland for bank payment cards as well, though it's been a long while since I've seen one, they got pretty much deprecated by debit cards carrying credit card brands (VISA, MasterCard) and using similar numbers.
11:56:09 <fizzie> There's also a lot of combined credit/debit cards, which I feel like isn't universal, because if you try to use them abroad it seems very hit-and-miss whether you actually get to pick which (metaphorical) side of the card to use.
11:57:02 <int-e> hehe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocheque has a sample with 10 digit card number
11:59:55 <int-e> (Which doesn't mean much; the field could well be variable width at the time.)
12:00:59 <wib_jonas> uh... yeah, I messed up something big time there with the numbers
12:01:43 <wib_jonas> bank card numbers are usually 16 digit long, so the part about not confusing with 16 digit (or 24 digit) gyro bank account numbers makes no sense
12:01:45 <wib_jonas> oops
12:01:48 <wib_jonas> I confused myself somehow
12:01:58 <int-e> Anyway I'm destroying expired cards so I couldn't tell you how long the card numbers that I've had were.
12:03:10 <int-e> even that memory is fading quickly to be replaced by 20 places IBANs
12:03:15 <wib_jonas> the 16 digit card number and 3 digit CVC2 number applies to both debit cards and credit cards, which is why I didn't try to make a distinction above
12:04:00 <esolangs> [[Wenyan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125839&oldid=121128 * Cleverxia * (+4082)
12:04:16 <wib_jonas> the card number field *is* variable length, and the internet payment providers do allow me to enter more than 16 digits in their card number field
12:04:20 <esolangs> [[Wenyan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125840&oldid=125839 * Cleverxia * (+2) /* Code Samples */
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12:55:27 <fizzie> At least some bank account numbers in Finland got 0's added when they were IBANified from the variable-length XXX-YYY form. Not always in easily predictable locations either.
12:56:03 <fizzie> Some of my cards have gone portrait mode recently, and I wonder if that's because that's the orientation you hold a smartphone in most of the time.
12:57:19 <fizzie> https://www.s-pankki.fi/globalassets/media/800x500-kuvat/kortit/uusi/uusi-s-etukortti-visa-credit.jpg <- the way they did the 16-digit number on this one is kinda weird to me.
13:19:05 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125841&oldid=125766 * Cleverxia * (+447)
13:22:09 <wib_jonas> fizzie: IIUC the optional 00000000 suffix to pad 16-digit bank account numbers to 24 digit ones is allowed here as well, you can just append the suffix and the transfer still works
13:23:01 <wib_jonas> the optional zeroes go to the end of the gyro account number, and the IBAN number is made by prepending something that depends on the bank before the gyro number
13:23:45 <wib_jonas> the zeroes suffix might be mandatory for the IBAN number, I'm not sure
13:24:14 <wib_jonas> ok, so Just Now I Learned about Excel:
13:25:39 <wib_jonas> I load a CSV using a query. The automatic type detection doesn't detect some columns as numbers. That's fine, I manually change the types. Then the query preview shows that it converted text to number in cells where the text doesn't have a decimal point, but got a conversion error where it does have a decimal point. I did such conversions lots of
13:25:39 <wib_jonas> times and it always used to work. what's wrong?
13:25:43 <int-e> wib_jonas: why do you keep misspelling giro?
13:26:58 <int-e> (this is a bit funny because both giro and the gyro- prefix have the same latin root)
13:27:19 <int-e> naming different round things
13:27:27 <wib_jonas> Answer: this Excel sheet is copied from a windows system where the locale was set to one that uses comma as a decimal point, and there's a hidden per-workbook setting that stores that locale, and you can change this setting not in the excel settings dialog, but in the power query settings which you access from the File menu of the power query
13:27:28 <wib_jonas> editor window, so
13:27:50 <int-e> and/or greek
13:28:45 <wib_jonas> power query editor / File / Options and settings / Query options / Current workbook / Regional settings / Locale and there choose "English (United States)", and then the text to number conversion will recognize the period as a decimal point
13:29:09 <wib_jonas> I found the answer from https://www.myonlinetraininghub.com/excel-forum/power-query/change-data-format-to-decimal-number , but even after that I had some difficult location where this setting was
13:29:39 <wib_jonas> you can also override this per column conversion if you want, but I always use period as decimal point in all files so that would have been less convenient
13:30:13 <wib_jonas> int-e: probably because I don't see that word often because I don't work in finance, forms just say "bank account number" without qualification, so I rarely see it written
13:39:10 <esolangs> [[Anti-Machine language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125842&oldid=124047 * Cleverxia * (+1020) /* Implementations (?) */
13:52:26 <esolangs> [[Maintain A Dog Through Coding]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125843&oldid=111478 * Fly * (-1)
13:58:46 <fizzie> I know at least one Finnish bank which padded their "xxxxxx-yyyyyy" local bank account numbers to "xxxxxx-y00yyyyy" (i.e., putting the 0s *inside* the yyyyyy part), when standardizing account number lengths in preparation for making an "FIcc xxxx xxy0 0yyy yy" IBAN. (All Finnish IBANs have the same structure: "FI" + two-digit checksum + 14-digit account number.)
14:00:46 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bank_Account_Number#Structure ...wait, up to *30* alphanumeric characters? Woah.
14:04:14 <int-e> (Well, it's an upper bound; I wonder whether any country actually uses all those places.)
14:08:08 <int-e> Oh there's another table for that... Russia uses 29 (33 total)
14:08:44 <int-e> with a 9 digit bank code, a 5 digit branch code and 15 for the account number...
14:10:37 <int-e> (that allows for a lot of banks!)
14:29:30 <fizzie> In the "National check digits" table, we're the only one with a Luhn algorithm checksum.
14:34:12 <fizzie> Funny how UK puts in both the BIC bank code and the local "sort code" that also implies the bank (and branch).
14:34:49 <int-e> supporting legacy workflows
14:36:02 <wib_jonas> int-e: 30 sounds plausible, because it's (at least sometimes) made of a four character prefix followed by the 24 digit long giro bank account number, making 28 characters
14:37:18 <int-e> wib_jonas: the 30 excludes the 4 place CC+checksum prefix
14:37:29 <wib_jonas> oh
14:37:40 <wib_jonas> well okay, but still it's not too high a limit I think
14:38:07 <int-e> Right. And Russia actually uses most of it... though it doesn't look like they had any need to.
14:38:46 <wib_jonas> especially since adopting something like this for banking takes decades, so you don't want to have to change the format often
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15:10:12 <int-e> Far be it from me to make light of resistance. - (not) Edison
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18:51:50 <esolangs> [[ObjectFlux]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125846&oldid=125818 * Z Z * (-156) changing logic
19:11:07 <esolangs> [[BinaryBits]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125847 * EvyLah * (+674) Created page with "'''BinaryBits''' (or BB) is a language where everything is in binary. BB was created by [[User:EvyLah|User:Evylah]] for no particular reason. == Overview == Instructions, data, and everything else are all in binary. BB is designed for an 8-bit computer. == Data struc
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19:16:27 <esolangs> [[ObjectFlux]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125849&oldid=125848 * Z Z * (-159) fixing descriptions
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19:34:32 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125851&oldid=125850 * Aartaka * (+126) /* Interpreters in plain C */ Mention Reb, C-based interpreter.
19:56:57 <esolangs> [[ObjectFlux]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125852&oldid=125849 * Z Z * (-2) /* Reserved symbols */
20:22:00 <zzo38> I had made up a format for unique identifiers, involving four parts: time, type, name, extra. (The extra part is optional) It can use the characters of the set: 0123456789-.ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
20:57:59 <Swryl> Are there practical methods of writing cyclic tag system programs, or any articles for grasping the intuition for writing them?
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22:27:09 <zzo38> I don't know of any.
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00:50:17 <Swryl> Small universal models of rewriting are fascinating me recently, so I'm looking into BCT and Self-BCT.
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05:03:36 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125853&oldid=125841 * MihaiEso * (+1070) Added a few more commands for TBA.
05:11:05 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125854&oldid=125853 * MihaiEso * (+923)
05:12:26 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125855&oldid=125854 * MihaiEso * (+17) i don't mentioned UserEdited 4.0 in the change log.
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07:17:54 <esolangs> [[User:Page crapper from explain xkcd]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125857 * PrySigneToFry * (+54) Created page with "<nowiki>WGN&CMPCR(MUR(W$(CTPWU$*CTW$YO&XCWKJY</nowiki>"
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11:34:04 <esolangs> [[Readable Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125858&oldid=125510 * MrRare2 * (+585) update
11:36:30 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Rasmus256 * New user account
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12:44:04 <esolangs> [[Data]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125862&oldid=123307 * Yourusername * (+38) /* Dot */
12:50:57 <esolangs> [[Refer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125863&oldid=123309 * Yourusername * (+73) /* Goto */
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17:20:47 <esolangs> [[BinaryBits]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125869&oldid=125868 * EvyLah * (+203) ok
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20:08:31 <esolangs> [[TinyBF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125871&oldid=92242 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+267) Improved the code fragment formattings, supplemented the category tag Implemented, and a hyperlink to my implementation.
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21:41:34 <esolangs> [[Readable Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125873&oldid=125858 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) Category
21:46:55 <esolangs> [[Refer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125874&oldid=125863 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+51) Categories
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22:17:33 <b_jonas> https://www.twitch.tv/sigbovik ooh!
22:18:56 <b_jonas> I forgot they're livestreaming it these days
22:29:47 <zzo38> I will read the PDF of SIGBOVIK once it is available but I do not have the intention to watch the video of SIGBOVIK
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01:36:10 <Noisytoot> Will sigbovik recordings be published somewhere?
03:47:03 <zzo38> I made the static site generator, and with it, I had made a blog with only one file so far, mainly to test it, but more files may be added later. However, although a program to download the file exists, I do not know of any existing program to display the file, yet.
03:49:53 <zzo38> (You could still use hd or something like that, to display any file, though)
04:24:14 <esolangs> [[Human Words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125875&oldid=125719 * PrySigneToFry * (+17)
04:50:51 <esolangs> [[Human Words]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125876&oldid=125875 * PrySigneToFry * (+1319)
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07:19:51 <b_jonas> Noisytoot: they might or might not be, but you can still download them from twitch for like a month\
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10:27:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125879&oldid=125878 * None1 * (+5) /* About My Esolang */
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10:47:45 <esolangs> [[12345678]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125883&oldid=125822 * None1 * (+16)
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11:06:05 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125886&oldid=125885 * None1 * (+160) /* Optimizing implementations */ added
11:06:25 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125887&oldid=125886 * None1 * (+4) /* Optimizing implementations */
11:12:02 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125888&oldid=125655 * PrySigneToFry * (+40)
11:12:29 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125889&oldid=125887 * None1 * (+205) /* Normal implementations */
11:12:50 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125890&oldid=125888 * PrySigneToFry * (+1)
11:16:42 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125891&oldid=125235 * None1 * (+184) /* Question */ new section
11:17:04 <fizzie> Hmh. That oidentd thing (where the processes just hang forever) happened again. Should really get to the bottom of that. :/
11:17:19 <fizzie> Was going to bring fungot back after a long while, but due to the ~ it's refusing to obey.
11:18:37 <int-e> gah "if its 8 posibilitis thats 8bit every posibility is 1bit of info"
11:19:39 <int-e> (context: https://old.reddit.com/r/shapezio/comments/1bw9c8q/024_bytes_memory_rom/ ...I won't continue the argument but meh.)
11:25:07 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125892&oldid=125890 * PrySigneToFry * (+629)
11:30:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125893&oldid=125891 * PrySigneToFry * (+317) /* Question */
11:40:11 <int-e> (of course I had to reply one more time)
11:41:01 <int-e> (but I don't have much hope of having an impact)
11:52:12 <fizzie> I agree that probably won't help.
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12:17:37 <int-e> fizzie: it didn't
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13:04:02 <b_jonas> fizzie: you could use an irc cloak for the irc connection from which you command fungot, and make fungot ignore the username part and only care about the hostname
13:08:55 <b_jonas> fizzie: also when you said "the processes just hang forever" I assumed it was that thing where the lurker mode webpage causes the whole web access to the chatlogs to die
13:13:44 <esolangs> [[Self-replicating marbles]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125898&oldid=125717 * Joaozin003 * (+9) clarification
13:14:14 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125899&oldid=125807 * None1 * (+54) /* Other */
13:18:47 <esolangs> [[C]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125900 * None1 * (+493) Created page with "{{Serious}} C, while not always a serious language, is far from an esoteric one. It was created by Dennis Ritchie in 1972 and is a derivative of B. As a fast, old and compilant language, C is often used to ''implement'' esolangs. For example, the fastest known [[brainfuck]] non-
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13:19:44 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125903&oldid=125899 * None1 * (+4) /* What I like */
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16:50:53 <esolangs> [[Self-interpreter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125914&oldid=125913 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+4) /* Languages known for self-interpretation */
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11:33:51 <APic> wb ais523
11:34:04 <APic> ais523: Have You already coded a Sokoban Solver, by any Chance? )
11:34:04 <APic> 😉
11:34:40 <ais523> APic: sort of
11:34:46 <APic> o/
11:34:56 <ais523> I created a Sokoban level generator for Enigma, which contains a Sokoban solver in order to ensure the generated levels are possible
11:35:12 <ais523> but it isn't fully general, it only tries a couple of simple techniques, in order to prevent the levels becoming too hard
11:35:21 <APic> Epic
11:35:24 <APic> Ok
11:36:03 * APic will start the Sokoban Game inside the German MUD UNItopia at some Point in the Futures
11:36:17 <APic> Probably they made the Levels simple enough that Your Solver will work 😉
11:36:28 <ais523> if you're interested in Sokoban solvers, a fun esoteric Sokoban solver is the one which was written in apt (apt's entire job is to try to resolve dependencies, and Sokoban turns out to be a special case of that…)
11:36:48 <ais523> Knuth also wrote a Sokoban solver, due to noting that it was a special case of a problem for which he'd already solved the general case
11:37:11 <APic> Ah, nice, thanks for the Information!
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11:37:41 <APic> wb ais523
11:37:41 <APic>
11:39:47 <APic> ais523: Where can i find Your Generator please? Probably not inside the main Game on https://www.nongnu.org/enigma/download.html?
11:43:41 <ais523> it is actually inside there
11:44:24 <ais523> oh, I confused Sokoban and Sudoku
11:44:31 <ais523> all my comments above were about Sudoku
11:44:35 <APic> oic
11:44:47 <ais523> however, I also wrote a Sokoban solver for Enigma, too
11:44:51 <APic> lol
11:44:51 <APic> Epic
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11:45:15 <APic> Also already inside there?
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11:46:49 <ais523> [12:45] <ais523> the Sokoban solver is (/usr/bin/)share/enigma/levels/enigma_ix/ais12_1.xml once Enigma is installed
11:46:51 <ais523> [12:46] <ais523> and the Sudoku solver is (/usr/bin/)share/enigma/levels/enigma_ix/ais33_1.xml
11:46:55 <ais523> but the Sokoban solver is just brute force
11:47:04 <ais523> because the level is only 5×5
11:47:17 <APic> ic
11:47:32 <APic> Thanks
11:47:38 <ais523> I have been working on less brute-force options, for a different project, although haven't created anything I'm happy with yet
11:47:42 * APic will see how big the Levels inside the MUD get
11:47:49 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125936&oldid=125935 * None1 * (+100) /* Commands */ To show a space use &nbsp;
11:47:49 <ais523> but, Sokoban is NP-complete so in general there isn't an efficient way to solve it
11:47:50 <APic> Ok
11:48:33 <ais523> also my solver assumes that all the goal squares are together in a line, because that's how Sokoban levels normally work in Engima
11:48:35 <ais523> * Enigma
11:48:56 <APic> Ah, like in NetHack
11:49:09 <ais523> yes
11:49:37 <ais523> I would suspect that better solvers are available than mine, if you're just looking for a working solver
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11:50:30 <APic> All right, thanks 😌
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16:55:05 <Guest26> ais523: Sokoban is PSPACE-complete, and Sudoku is NP-complete.
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16:57:23 <ais523> ah, thanks for the correction
16:57:24 <int-e> we have a trivia hit and run
16:57:36 <ais523> it is probably just a logreader
16:57:48 <int-e> (I missed the context)
16:57:49 <ais523> but yes, Sokoban has undoable moves, that tends to make things PSPACE-complete
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17:02:55 <int-e> I'm struggling to find a better word than "undoable". You can push boxes back and forth, giving you polynomial space, and you get non-determinism from the moves.
17:03:30 <int-e> (which is largely irrelevant)
17:06:24 <ais523> non-monotonic?
17:06:26 <int-e> Funnily enough this slightly reframed my view on the "Ladders are PSPACE-complete" result for Go; since it's a two-player game you have alternation built in so it's plausible APTIME-complete, and APTIME = PSPACE.
17:06:56 <int-e> (That's totally a tangent. But it's more satisfying to me than "we encoded QBF")
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06:29:11 <visilii> Every time I think I got an original idea for an esolang, I find it already implemented and posted on esolang wiki in two different variants. I guess I should stop lurking the wiki and start actually doing something, eh
06:29:29 <visilii> I'm kinda new to the whole esoteric language thing and the amount of different esolangs is astounding to me!
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08:44:13 <b_jonas> visilii: I haven't experienced that, but I've been sitting on Consumer Society for years now, and it's such a natural and reinventable idea that I constantly have a low-level fear that either someone will create it before I write it down, or else it's been invented years ago and I just never found it on the internet
08:45:58 <int-e> witness the power of procrastination
08:47:00 <b_jonas> the central conceit that is; I don't mind if the other three twists that I thought about for are taken:
08:48:11 <b_jonas> (1) one twist is that I'll define two variants, one where one kind of parenthesis needs to be balanced for the program to be syntactically valid, another where it's another kind of parenthesis, so when I take the union of those two languages as one language that autodetects which language you're speaking when you run a program, the union language is context-free but not deterministically context-free
08:49:36 <b_jonas> (2) the second twist is that debug string literals work like they usually use > as the starting delimiter and < as the ending delimiter, but you can also use < as the starting delimiter in which case that delimiter is included in the string, which is an easy way to make it so you don't need escapes in those literals, and
08:52:13 <b_jonas> (3) this one I think I haven't mentioned yet, but I want to take revenge on ais523 for inventing the mind bug that is the attract and repel arithmetic operations in Nellephant, by defining an arithmetic standard library that has attract and repel but also sane arithmetic operations like add and compare and bitwise or, but I'll define it so that most of the sane operations are documented as being
08:52:19 <b_jonas> undefined behavior if ais523 is writing the program that invokes them, so he's forced to either use attract and repel, or write programs that although work perfectly in every foreseeable implementations they technically invoke undefined behavior
09:03:09 <b_jonas> I'm using angle brackets for debug string literals mostly to ride on the confusion how french texts usually use guillamots pointing outside for a quote like « foo », while german texts use guillamots pointing inside like »foo«
09:06:18 <b_jonas> somehow I never see people put obviously unenforcable ridiculous conditions into their language definitions under the threat of undefined behavior, they instead try to put those obviously unenforcable conditions to some kind of license under the threat of license termination.
09:08:08 <int-e> Hmm C is trying so hard though
09:13:48 <int-e> The other day I was looking at https://tweetnacl.cr.yp.to/20140427/tweetnacl.c and now I'm wondering whether `car25519` really avoids shifting negative numbers. I guess I could instrument the code to figure that out.
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09:35:44 <int-e> It does not. It also fails to verify a signature even though libsodium does like it... but that may still be my fault.
09:38:21 <b_jonas> int-e: ok, but that's more not cleaning up an existing undefined behavior rule in a timely manner, because when C started there really were machines that represented integers as ones' complement or sign-magnitude, so not shifting negative numbers was a simple rule the C standard could specify. most code that wants to shift negative numbers probably already assume two's complement repr, and if you
09:38:27 <b_jonas> compile them on a two's complement machine then you can look at the manual for the compiler for what that promises about shifting signed numbers, and look, indeed https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-13.2.0/gcc/Integers-implementation.html tells you how shifts work, it's just the "boo hoo your code isn't unconditionally compliant with the C standard, it calls a platform-dependent function for like
09:38:33 <b_jonas> displaying colored graphics so it's not real C" crowd that keep enforcing the signed shift undefined thing
09:42:19 <b_jonas> and even that would be fine if they, like, added a standar library function/macro that does two's complement numbers and is a compile time error on machines that aren't two's compliment, and to be fair they started to do that with at least some floating-point stuff, but not for shifts yet as far as I can tell, so they'll just lose more people to zig and rust which do have built-in functions for simple
09:42:25 <b_jonas> operations like shifting a number that your CPU can already do anyway
09:42:31 <fizzie> C23 nails down the integer representation as two's complement, but keeps right-shifting a negative number implementation-defined (and left-shifting one undefined), so clearly it's not just a representation thing in the minds of the standardization committee.
09:44:03 <b_jonas> they could even keep the convenient infix notation if they defined type aliases similar to int32_t that only exist if it's two's complement and signed shifts work on two's complement overflowing
09:45:07 <b_jonas> fizzie: it's not just a representation thing, it's a "don't silently break new programs on weird old compilers" thing, which is reasonably, but there are library solutions for that
09:45:59 <b_jonas> like, I actually don't like some of the C++ core rules changes about evaluation order that can break new programs on old compilers silently
09:46:18 <b_jonas> but if you make a clean interface where the program will fail to compile on those compilers then it's fine
09:46:56 <int-e> b_jonas: the irony here is that there *is* an attempt to avoid undefined or implementation-defined behavior, namely that initial addition of 1<<16. So the invariant is that all values are at least -1 << 16. But that requires carry propagation in Z() (subtraction) and that's missing.
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09:51:05 <b_jonas> as for weird numeric unspecified behavior for portability, I should stop procrastinating and figure out how to report that bug in qemu where the unoptimized implementation for x86 SSE instructions can give the wrong NaN results on two NaN inputs, because the implementation that comes from softfp tries to use the x87 NaN rules instead of the SSE NaN rules. it's just that reporting this is tricky because
09:51:11 <b_jonas> they'll probably laugh me off unless I make a full repro.
09:52:02 <b_jonas> this is one that likely never causes symptoms because who the heck takes a program optimized to use the NaN rules of the specific hardware, then runs it in an unoptimized emulator that doesn't take advantage of said hardware, rather than the optimized version that uses SSE instructions to emulate SSE instructions
09:54:20 <b_jonas> wait, I didn't say the fun part
09:55:50 <b_jonas> this only comes up if you call the SSE instruction from assembly code or inline assembly, because if you use the operators of C or even the SSE intrinsics then even with the strictest settings the compiler has the right to "optimize" floating-point operations in ways that change which NaN value you get as the result, such as swapping the operands of an addition, so if you don't use assembly then a
09:55:56 <b_jonas> future gcc optimization could just break your repro (though it's not very likely that it'll do that if you use division, whose operands are hard to swap)
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10:29:01 <int-e> It was my fault.
10:29:56 <int-e> (The failure to verify a signature that is; the shifting negative numbers right thing is real.)
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10:49:51 <wib_jonas> also to describe the correct behavior of the instructions with two NaN inputs, you have to talk about which operand of the SSE instructions is first vs second input operand, which gets complicated by Intel vs AT&T assembly syntax.
10:50:36 <wib_jonas> and then you have to deal with three-input FMA instructions, newer instructions that have two input and a separate output operand, and more.
10:53:39 <wib_jonas> int-e: wait, is that the size-reduced cryptography source code thing?
10:54:16 <wib_jonas> I didn't realize that because it has "tweet" instead of "t-shirt" or "tattoo" in its name
10:55:18 <int-e> it's "tweet" because they tweeted it out as a series of tweets
11:00:54 <wib_jonas> right
11:12:10 <wib_jonas> int-e: only before I looked at the source code, I saw a url that has "tweet" in its domain name, which sounded like either another twitter mirror website that tries to let you read twitter without going through their interface, or an attempt for a twitter alternative, and then I assumed it'd have yet another "C language is crazy, why is this simple
11:12:11 <wib_jonas> thing UB" message on that. that, or maybe a crypto protocol tunneled through twitter.
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17:00:45 <ais523> b_jonas: surely the workaround is for me to create a compiler so that it's writing the program, not me, and now there's no UB
17:02:16 <ais523> I think I had a good reason for attract/repel although I can't remember what it was (probably related to Nellephant not being TC, meaning that you can't simulate more complex operations using simpler ones the same way as in a TC language, so I had to go with primitives that were powerful enough to actually do everything the langauge needed to do)
17:02:32 <ais523> like, probably my first thought was increment/decrement and then I wasn't sure that would work
17:03:06 <ais523> as for the two's complement argument, I don't understand why shifts weren't just defined arithmetically
17:04:06 <ais523> e.g. you could define x << y as (x * 2**y), with UB if y is negative or if the result overflows (signed case), or wrapping on overflow (unsigned case)
17:04:33 * ais523 wonders whether, if multiplication is * and exponentiation is **, tetration should be ***
17:05:16 <ais523> as for right-shifting negative numbers, most hardware has two different right-shift operators to handle the two possible meanings of a right-shift, and it is strange that C doesn't provide access to both of htem
17:05:22 <int-e> ais523: but 1-s complement!!!1eleven
17:05:42 <ais523> 1's complement can implement that
17:05:45 <fizzie> That "arithmetic" definition is how it *is* defined.
17:05:52 <fizzie> C11 6.5.7p4: "The result of E1 << E2 ... If E1 has an unsigned type, the value of the result is E1 * 2**E2, reduced modulo one more than the maximum value representable in the result type. If E1 has a signed type and nonnegative value, and E1 * 2**E2 is representable in the result type, then that is the resulting value; otherwise, the behavior is undefined."
17:05:55 <ais523> it doesn't correspond to a single machine instruction, but it can implement it
17:06:16 <int-e> but then the 1s complement left shift is different for unsigned and signed
17:06:20 <ais523> fizzie: ah, that makes the 1's complement versus 2's complement even weirder
17:07:00 <fizzie> And for E1 >> E2: "If E1 has an unsigned type or if E1 has a signed type and a nonnegative value, the value of the result is the integral part of the quotient of E1 / 2**E2. If E1 has a signed type and a negative value, the resulting value is implementation-defined."
17:07:08 <ais523> fizzie: oh, no, haha, "reduced modulo one more than the maximum value representable in the result type"
17:07:19 <ais523> so it provides different answers in 1's complement and 2's complement systems
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17:07:23 <ais523> but then, I guess so does addition
17:07:32 <ais523> or, hmm
17:07:37 <fizzie> That's for unsigned types only.
17:07:44 <ais523> all-bits-1 is a valid nonzero unsigned number even in 1's complement systems, isn't it
17:07:57 <ais523> no wonder people stopped using them, they don't handle unsigned numbers at all well
17:09:29 <ais523> so the maximum value representable is there to handle padding bits, I guess (which for all I know are also banned for unsigned numbers)
17:09:55 <ais523> fwiw, I realised a while back that it would be a huge simplification/optimisation for processors to simply store an extra couple of bits in their registers, compared to the in-memory representation
17:10:11 <ais523> e.g. you have 66-bit registers in your otherwise 64-bit processor
17:10:39 <int-e> is this for carries and overflows?
17:10:40 <ais523> and the memory read operations specify bitwidth and sign-/zero-extension, the memory write operations specify bitwidth and signed saturation / unsigned saturation / wrapping
17:10:51 <ais523> it's to entirely replace all uses of flags
17:11:05 <ais523> instead of branching on a flag, you branch on the high bits of a register
17:11:16 <ais523> and this means that the processor doesn't have a global variable it needs to track any more
17:11:24 <int-e> "all uses of flags" hmm, I wonder whether anybody ever uses Intel's parity flag.
17:11:35 <fizzie> Padding bits are still allowed for unsigned types. And I think you could have a conforming implementation where (for example) signed integers are sign-and-magnitude, and unsigned types just treat the sign bit as a padding bit; so INT_MAX == UINT_MAX.
17:11:37 <ais523> well, you can just look at the low bits for that one
17:11:49 <ais523> although, the x86 parity flag isn't very useful because it just takes the parity of the bottom 8 bits of the result
17:12:23 <fizzie> C11 6.2.6.2p2: "For signed integer types -- Each bit that is a value bit shall have the same value as the same bit in the object representation of the corresponding unsigned type (if there are M value bits in the signed type and N in the unsigned type, then M ≤ N)."
17:12:32 <ais523> which means that doing a popcount and taking the bottom bit is normally more efficient than using the parity flag, because you can check the parity of more bits at once
17:12:54 <fizzie> Which allows the M = N case, where the signed type has the same value bits as the corresponding unsigned type.
17:13:11 <ais523> in 1's and 2's complement, is the most significant bit considered a sign bit rather than a value bit? or both a sign bit and a value bit?
17:13:25 <ais523> I guess it's probably "rather than"
17:13:26 <fizzie> It's considered a sign bit.
17:14:02 <fizzie> ("-- the bits of the object representation [of a signed integer type] shall be divided in into three groups: value bits, padding bits, and the sign bit. -- There shall be exactly one sign bit.")
17:14:45 <ais523> I guess the sign bit isn't required to be at the top
17:14:57 <ais523> C probably doesn't care about bit order at all, it's hard to observe
17:15:07 <ais523> (byte order is observable in C, though)
17:15:14 <fizzie> "If the sign bit is one, the value shall be modified in one of the following ways: - the corresponding value with sign bit 0 is negated (/sign and magnitude/); - the sign bit has the value -(2**M) (/two's complement/); - the sign bit has the value -(2**M-1) (/ones' complement/)."
17:16:13 <ais523> fwiw, I vaguely remember sign-magnitude being invented first, then one's complement, then two's complement
17:16:52 <ais523> which could be the reason why the other systems persisted – two's complement is obviously the best of those systems from the point of view of a) implementation simplicity and b) avoiding special cases that can trip up programmers
17:17:18 <ais523> (the main issue is with INT_MIN, which isn't symmetrical to INT_MAX)
17:17:27 <fizzie> Incidentally, pre-C23 the "value with sign bit 1 and all value bits zero" is allowed to be a trap representation even if the integer representation was two's complement.
17:17:35 <fizzie> If it is, then the range is of course symmetrical.
17:17:37 <ais523> or the infamous INT_MIN/-1 overflow which is the only case where a division by a number other than 0 can overflow
17:17:50 <int-e> One's complement is just weird to me. sign-magnitude makes a lot of sense and is familiar from floating point and various multiple precision arithemetic implementations.
17:18:06 <int-e> Hmm s/various/a number of/ would've been punnier.
17:18:08 <ais523> fizzie: there are definitely some advantages to 1000…000 trap representation, but also some disadvantages, and I think it never really caught on
17:18:20 <ais523> it's a trap representation for floats too, isn't it? or at least some sort of NaN?
17:19:27 <int-e> "is just weird to me" - what is this representation actually good at?
17:19:57 <ais523> ah no, it's -0
17:20:18 <ais523> which is not a trap representation or even a particularly badly-behaving number, although it's weird
17:20:43 <ais523> int-e: it's better than sign-magnitude, it has most but not all the advantages of two's complement
17:20:47 <ais523> and I think it was invented first
17:23:01 <int-e> I guess there are tricks like feeding in the sign bit as a carry for addition that make one-s complement tolerable.
17:23:11 <fizzie> Negative zero is allowed for (non-two's-complement) integers as well, but there's some restrictions on what can produce one (in particular, the more "arithmetic" operators +-*/% cannot produce a negative zero unless one of the operands is a negative zero to begin with), and a negative zero may silently decay into a regular zero when stored in an object.
17:23:49 <ais523> int-e: here's what I was thinking of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_calculator#9's_complement
17:24:07 <ais523> was invented in 1642, I think that easily beats 2's complement :-)
17:24:20 <int-e> and I guess xor-with-sign is a good way to prepare for full precision multiplication
17:24:29 <ais523> fizzie: this means that -0 is actually the additive identity
17:24:36 <ais523> because it'll decay when added to 0, but not to another -0
17:25:44 <int-e> So okay, maybe overall that makes it slightly better than sign-magnitude.
17:26:29 <fizzie> My grandmother's place had one of those mechanical calculators that looked like this: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322506360/figure/fig1/AS:613889318338573@1523374027460/The-mechanical-calculator-Walther-source-Walther-Calculators.png
17:26:35 <fizzie> Not working particularly well, alas.
17:26:47 <fizzie> Still fun to play with.
17:26:55 <ais523> (also, Pascal's calculator had a good reason to use 9's rather than 10's complement – it made the "negate" operation easy to do mechanically or even optically)
17:28:12 <int-e> oh color coding on the wheels? neat
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18:18:18 <b_jonas> ais523: I think the reason why C doesn't specify how signed shift on negative arguments works on machines that aren't two's complement is that some such machines will likely have just unsigned shift instructions, and that instruction doesn't work correctly as a signed arithmetic shift, that is, it doesn't just multiply by a power of two then do a one's complement reduction. shifting positive signed
18:18:25 <b_jonas> numbers is still useful, and the one shift instruction still works for that. and I think people stopped using representations other than two's complement is that two's complement makes multi-word integer arithmetic easier.
18:21:11 <b_jonas> "store an extra couple of bits in their registers" => https://esolangs.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer does store an extra bit for its registers, though this happens in a somewhat unfortunate way where that extra bit is used as *input* to arithmetic on those registers too, not just output, which makes the rules rather ugly. 6502 just has a carry bit that works basically the same as if you had an extra
18:21:17 <b_jonas> bit for the accumulator, in particular the carry bit is 1 when there's no unsigned overflow on a *subtraction*, unlike on x86.
18:23:04 <b_jonas> ais523: and note that the AGC has 16 bits in registers, 15 bits in memory words, but for multiword arithmetic the high word is worth 2**14 times the lower word, because the normal 2**15 would be hard on a ones' complement machine, and note that the AGC has double-precision arithmetic instructions in hardware (triple-precision in software only).
18:23:54 <b_jonas> also x86_64 now has 64-bit GP registers but 32-bit memory operands by default, but I know that's not what you were thinking of.
18:24:29 <b_jonas> int-e: parity flag => I think back in the early PC days people used it for serial port communication.
18:25:29 <b_jonas> "Padding bits are still allowed for unsigned types." => IIUC only for bigger unsigned integer types, but not allowed for unsigned char, so I don't think that allowance is useful for anything in practice
18:26:11 <b_jonas> "you could have a conforming implementation where (for example) signed integers are sign-and-magnitude, and unsigned types just treat the sign bit as a padding bit" => no, I think the C standard says things about signed vs unsigned integer types that forbid that
18:29:06 <b_jonas> "sign-magnitude being invented first ... which could be the reason why the other systems persisted" => no, I think it's because the earliest computers were optimized more for numeric calculation with large numbers, and if you want to build a computer that does division and square root in hardware then sign-magnitude suddenly isn't that bad
18:29:29 <b_jonas> like think of the Babbage thing
18:30:43 <b_jonas> "it's a trap representation for floats too, isn't it? or at least some sort of NaN?" => no, it's just minus zero. all one bits is one of the minus NaNs.
18:32:24 <b_jonas> "which is not a trap representation or even a particularly badly-behaving number, although it's weird" => negative zero is the additive unit of floating point numbers. it shouldn't be, but the x87 designers who specified IEEE floats messed up and defined addition in a way where 0+(-0) is a positive zero, so now we're stuck with negative zero being the true zero, and it's too late to change that.
18:33:44 <int-e> `? agc
18:33:46 <HackEso> agc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:33:49 <b_jonas> "this means that -0 is actually the additive identity" => wait, there were computers that did that for integers too? now that's messed up.
18:33:49 <int-e> oh the apollo thing
18:34:38 <b_jonas> the mechanical calculators that I've seen are ten's complement, not nines' complement. even some early digital calculators are.
18:34:56 <fizzie> The one thing the standard says in the "representations of integer types" section about the corresponding signed/unsigned pairs is what I already quoted, and seems to allow the case where the unsigned type just includes the nonnegative half of the signed type.
18:34:59 <fizzie> Namely, this one: "Each bit [of the object representation of a signed integer type] that is a value bit shall have the same value as the same bit in the object representation of the corresponding unsigned type (if there are M value bits in the signed type and N in the unsigned type, then M ≤ N)."
18:35:00 <b_jonas> int-e: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
18:35:02 <fizzie> If M = N (which is allowed by M ≤ N), the signed integer type's nonnegative values is the same set as the unsigned integer type's entire range of values.
18:35:30 <int-e> b_jonas: Yeah I looked it up recently actually, just didn't recall immediately.
18:35:41 <int-e> (You mentioned it before.)
18:35:46 <b_jonas> fizzie: which standard are you looking at, just to be clear? C99?
18:36:25 <fizzie> C11 (the N1570 draft), which is for some reason the one I've settled on as a default.
18:36:45 <b_jonas> that's fine, I just didn't want to have to compare multiple standards for this
18:36:47 <int-e> mostly the C standard has to ensure that copying bytes of in-memory objects preserves their values
18:37:37 <b_jonas> totality in the solar eclipse is now mostly in the US
18:37:38 <int-e> if bytes had padding then that would become awkward
18:38:26 <int-e> the sun is totally eclipsed by the Earth here
18:39:48 <fizzie> For C23, I'm using the N3096 draft. That one only allows the "normal" two's complement situation. N3096 6.2.6.2p2: "If the corresponding unsigned type has width N, the signed type uses the same number of N bits, its /width/, as value bits and sign bit. N - 1 are value bits and the remaining bit is the sign bit."
18:40:29 <fizzie> There's no eclipse in London either, but apparently in the very westernmost bits of the UK (and Ireland certainly) you could have had a partial eclipse near sunset.
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18:40:44 <fizzie> Except at least here it's rainy and very overcast.
18:41:30 <b_jonas> yes, Scotland will have a rather unimpressive partial eclipse
18:42:49 <int-e> hmm... we're past equinox so being further north helps too?
18:43:20 <int-e> not sure how significant that is
18:43:24 <fizzie> Yes. Though UK also leans west, so going "north" helps with that too.
18:43:48 <int-e> (it's only been 3 weeks)
18:45:53 <fizzie> We went to Isle of Skye once. Looking up a map, they'll have a 22.4% of an eclipse.
18:46:03 <fizzie> Well, I guess any amount counts as "an eclipse", but still.
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18:49:43 <zzo38> Is recv with the MSG_PEEK flag sufficient to check if the client is using TLS to connect to the server (by checking whether or not the first byte is 0x16) so that the server can use TLS and non-TLS depending on the client?
18:51:09 <b_jonas> "<ais523> ... create a compiler [to Consumer Society]" => yes, and if that's easy if I was wrong and it's actually easy to impelment ordinary arithmetic based on attract and repel, and this is by design
18:52:25 <b_jonas> "<ais523> first thought was increment/decrement" => right, but even if increment/decrememtn doesn' towrk, wouldn't your next thought be something like subtraction and less-than comparison, or subtraction that fails on a borrow?
18:53:35 <b_jonas> zzo38: that must depend on the other protocol that you want to distinguish from TLS
18:54:24 <b_jonas> but IIRC in TLS the first byte is a low byte (between 0 and 16) while in HTTP it's an ascii letter, so it should indeed be that simple
18:55:12 <b_jonas> though check your TLS library first, maybe it already has something built-in for this, letting you read non-TLS when the client speaks non-TLS
18:55:50 <b_jonas> I don't know how this works for DNS for example
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19:03:49 <zzo38> b_jonas: Yes, I know that it depends what other protocol. I wrote the Scorpion protocol specification and the first byte is always a uppercase ASCII letter, so it can always be distinguished from TLS in this way. As far as I know, OpenSSL has no such thing and I don't know if any other one does (I have not looked at them).
19:04:10 <zzo38> I don't know its working with DNS either. But, if it cannot be distinguished in this way, then you can use separate port number for TLS and non-TLS.
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19:22:01 <b_jonas> I know HTTP and IRC have separate port numbers for TLS versus don-TLS, but I don't know why
19:26:43 <int-e> simpler design
19:26:45 * int-e shrugs
19:27:08 <int-e> there's the whole starttls mess too
19:35:03 <zzo38> I think it is simpler to do the way I had done it, though. Someone complained that it is difficult to detect TLS vs non-TLS in this way, although it does not seem so difficult to me. However, I have not actually tried it, so I may be wrong.
19:35:43 <zzo38> Also, I think I have once tried to connect to a HTTPS server without TLS, and it did respond with a proper HTTP response containing an error message (that says that non-TLS is not allowed).
19:37:06 <Noisytoot> IRC has STARTTLS: https://ircv3.net/specs/deprecated/tls.html, it's just that nothing supports it and it's deprecated
19:40:02 <b_jonas> should I have chosen an eclipse-related password of the month? or would that have been boring?
19:40:19 <int-e> There's an old internet draft for telnet too: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tn3270e-telnet-tls-02
19:40:22 <b_jonas> also http://sigbovik.org/2024/ still says "The proceedings are not yet available as the conference has not yet proceeded." even though the conference has proceeded already.
19:40:48 <int-e> b_jonas: Yeah is the program available anywhere?
19:44:19 <b_jonas> int-e: I don't know, but there were very few live presentations. the video should still be available on twitch.tv
19:44:32 <b_jonas> there'll be much more articles in the proceedings than presentations
19:44:45 <int-e> But I don't want to go through a video.
19:45:15 <b_jonas> int-e: should I summarize tom7's presentation?
19:47:15 <int-e> Not really... I'm more interested in a list of contributions. I'll wait.
20:14:13 <int-e> This will do the trick for now: https://github.com/sigbovik/sigbovik/blob/20e0e2d7cddf2357d8a288a9116461c2d2621ee6/papers.tex
20:14:40 <int-e> (the papers are in the repo too, but I really wanted a table of contents)
20:22:14 <b_jonas> oh no! so the C and C++ standards use the phrase "unsigned integer types" differently: bool is a C "unsigned integer type" but not a C++ "unsigned integer type". that kind of thing can be confusing when C++ includes a large part of the C standard library by reference: if the definition of the library mentions an "unsigned integer type", what does it mean? in particular, is the library allowed to define
20:22:20 <b_jonas> the type alias uint1_t for bool?
20:26:18 <int-e> b_jonas: the C++ thing makes more sense though seeing how true + true becomes true when casted back to a bool.
20:26:46 <int-e> rather than doing arithmetic modulo 2.
20:28:58 <b_jonas> I'm still trying to understand what the standard says, but you may be right in that the sized integer type could have either the same number of bits as the unsigned type or one more bit
20:29:29 <b_jonas> hmm wait
20:31:07 <b_jonas> yeah, it seems like the text does want to allow that
20:31:45 <b_jonas> that probably actually makes sense for a sign-magnitude computer
20:31:56 <b_jonas> I didn't know this, thank you
20:53:49 <b_jonas> so, I already knew that if you add a signed long long to an unsigned long, then on x86_64-linux where both those types are 64 bits long, the result is an unsigned long long; on x86_64-windows where unsigned long is 32 bit wide, the result is a signed long long. but now it turns out that if you add a signed long to an unsigned long long, although normally the result is an unsigned long long, on a
20:53:55 <b_jonas> hypothetical computer with weird integer types the result could be a signed long.
20:54:49 <b_jonas> but I might be getting that wrong, don't trust me on taht
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21:05:35 <fizzie> That's also a difference between x86-32 Linux and x86-64 Linux, because of the same difference in type sizes, though I guess it's less surprising since it's, after all, a 32-bit vs. 64-bit thing. As observed in practice: https://0x0.st/Xige.txt
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21:27:12 <b_jonas> that reminds me of a question. gcc supports 128-bit integer types (signed and unsigned) __int128, but it defines intmax_t as 64 bytes wide, because defining it as 128-bit wide would break binary compatibility with previous implementations where it was 64-bit wide. The C standard says that intmax_t is the widest integer type. Should I consider the gcc __int128 type not a "signed integer type" for the C
21:27:18 <b_jonas> standard purposes? Or would that have too many weird consequences mandated by the C standard, and so instead I should consider __int128 a signed integer type and say that gcc sensibly breaks the rule about intmax_t being the widest? Same question about the C++ standard.
21:29:48 <ais523> b_jonas: I read a good blog post about this recently
21:30:01 <ais523> here we go: https://thephd.dev/intmax_t-hell-c++-c
21:30:21 <b_jonas> ais523: thank you
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21:43:01 <fizzie> C23 explicitly allows both the new /bit-precise integer types/ (`_BitInt(N)`, where N is an integer constant expression between 1 (unsigned) or 2 (signed) and BITINT_MAXWIDTH, inclusive) *and* extended integer types wider than `long long` to not fit in intmax_t / uintmax_t any more, for those ABI concerns.
21:44:23 <fizzie> Oh, it's slightly more subtle than that for the extended integer types.
21:45:07 <fizzie> N3096 7.22.1.5p1: "The [intmax_t type] designates a signed integer type -- capable of representing any value of any signed integer type with the possible exceptions of signed bit-precise integer types and of signed extended integer types that are wider than `long long` and that are referred by the type definition for an exact width integer type[.]"
21:45:48 <fizzie> So an implementation might now define `int128_t` using an extended integer type (say, `__int128`) while still having a 64-bit `intmax_t`.
21:46:11 <b_jonas> fizzie: nice
21:46:29 <b_jonas> so they fixed the rule about intmax_t in newer C standards, that's good to know
22:04:07 <b_jonas> perhaps the problem is that imaxdiv should never have been a function, it should have been a function-like macro that expands to a function call
22:04:28 <b_jonas> and similar for imaxabs etc
22:05:44 <b_jonas> that only works if the C standard explicitly allowed that for just those few functions
22:06:23 <b_jonas> oh yeah, and printf shouldn't have gained "%jd" conversion, the size flag should've been a macro like it is for int64_t etc
22:07:28 <b_jonas> we have that kind of nonsense already about file offset types on x86_32
22:09:17 <b_jonas> at this point they'll have to standardize a new type alias like int_really_max_t and function names and printf conversion letter macros for that type
22:15:48 <b_jonas> (they'd probably choose a more dignified-sounding name, like int_widest_t, over int_really_max_t though)
22:20:28 <fizzie> Debian's doing a pretty disruptive transition to 64-bit `time_t` type on the 32-bit platforms, and it's affecting the other architectures too because of something about how Debian packaging works (it's a change in SONAME, and those are shared for all outputs from the same source package, or something along those lines).
22:21:17 <fizzie> https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/64bit-time
22:22:15 <ais523> it's less disruptive than the year 2038 bug would be if not fixed, though
22:22:23 <b_jonas> sigbovik proceedings are out
22:22:29 <b_jonas> int-e: sigbovik
22:22:41 <ais523> I am still worried about that, it seems likely to be much worse than the Y2K bug and people will be more complacent this time given how last time went relatively smoothly
22:23:21 <ais523> (after a huge amount of effort to prepare)
22:24:19 <b_jonas> yes, but much fewer x86_32 will be running by then
22:25:04 <ais523> I'm more worried about 64-bit programs that are using 32-bit time_t for compatibility with existing file formats
22:25:12 <ais523> or wire formats
22:27:18 <b_jonas> I'm worried about the FAT file system, that will still be in use in year 2107 by stuff like digital cameras and cash registers, and there'll be no single accepted way to extend the mtime field to larger than the current size, because Windows 95 OSR2 decided to use up ALL THE REMAINING BYTES in the directory entry
22:28:02 <ais523> I thought those were mostly at least using FAT32
22:28:11 <ais523> but, maybe that also has 32-bit mtime
22:28:51 <b_jonas> this is for FAT32
22:29:34 <b_jonas> we can replace our most common CPU architecture two more times over by then, but FAT will still be present
22:29:53 <b_jonas> CPU arch together with ABI I mean
22:31:23 <b_jonas> but yes, also some other file formats
22:32:15 <b_jonas> heck, it'll be like https://xkcd.com/865/ , human civilization is all gone, but its successor can't get rid of some of our file formats
22:35:14 <b_jonas> http://www.sigbovik.org/2024/proceedings.pdf
22:35:19 <b_jonas> `? sigbovik
22:35:22 <HackEso> sigbovik? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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23:46:34 <b_jonas> oh jesus. Tom7 did this in so much more of the Tom7 way than was apparent from his short presentation
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00:11:37 <FireFly> I'm looking forward to the inevitable video
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00:31:00 <b_jonas> the articles are definitely better than the presentation adaptation, as it so often happens with such adaptations.
00:31:13 <b_jonas> there'll probably be a video, but even so the article is better.
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00:34:12 <Noisytoot> "Because this occurs on any key input to the shell, regardless of the key, it becomes impossible to exit the session without the user closing the terminal they used to connect to the server." I don't think this is right (from page 238, "This SSH server’s never gonna give you up (but it will probably let you down)"). You can always exit with ~.
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01:15:39 <ais523> ssh's quit sequence is annoying because you need to type a newline before the ~. for it to work, but the newline is actually sent over the connection
01:18:33 <ais523> I guess it was designed assuming that you would be operating a shell over ssh, but it's often used to use other programs remotely too
01:30:57 <b_jonas> it's just so appropriate how Tom developed a pretty complicated general software system that should be capable of typesetting beautiful documents, but then the deadline got closer so he didn't get time to actually typeset beautiful documents with it
01:31:35 <b_jonas> also
01:31:49 <esolangs> [[Tom Murphy VII]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125979&oldid=66407 * B jonas * (+12)
01:32:02 <b_jonas> just so I don't forget to later create at least a short page on the wiki about this
01:43:39 <b_jonas> oh heck, the published volume calls the editor "The Association for Computational Heresy" but the webpage http://sigbovik.org/2024/ calls it "The Association of Computational Heresy". why is this the kind of nonsense that I have to put up with just to write a citation?
01:49:17 <esolangs> [[BoVeX]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125980 * B jonas * (+1231) the categorization on the wiki is funny. BoVeX has objects but isn't oriented to them; and the project is very much about rewriting strings, but I don't think that it's of the string-rewriting paradigm
01:52:17 * ais523 wonders whether the ultimate goal of esoprogramming is to create a language that is impossible to categorise
01:59:05 <b_jonas> like, the badness function chosen seem to have a bad taste in how the last line of paragraphs should look like; there doesn't seem to be a rule about orphan lines at the start of a page; the spacing is wrong around punctuation or formatting very often; and more. but BoVeX is powerful enough that it would be possible to fix most of this.
01:59:52 <b_jonas> ais523: probably not the ultimate goal, but it's at least a merit in esolangs if they are hard to categorize
02:00:43 <b_jonas> well, if they're hard to categorize for a good reason, rather than hard to categorize because of inadequate documentation describing the language
02:04:40 <ais523> I think some esolangers see that as a merit too ;-)
02:05:13 <ais523> I am wondering if my "Turing completeness proving languages" (basically a subset of tarpits) aren't actually esolangs at all, but a different genre
02:05:43 <ais523> because they are optimising for something and are being driven by that optimisation, rather than aesthetics being a factor
02:07:11 <ais523> e.g. Genera Tag feels really quite inelegant when viewed as a language – but in a different way it's very elegant when viewed as an implementation language, in that it captures most of the things that typical tag system implementations can provide for free, and in exchange makes it easier to prove certain awkward languages TC
02:08:01 <esolangs> [[Genera Tag]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125981&oldid=117086 * Ais523 * (+16) /* Relationship to other languages and implementation tips */ clarify
02:46:24 <zzo38> ais523: I do not think it is the "ultimate goal" (and, I think there is not a "ultimate goal of esoprogramming" probably, but I may be wrong), although trying to create a language that is impossible to categorise does seem to me one of the things to do, perhaps.
02:48:37 <zzo38> I have partially made up a way to add favicons to a X.509 certificate. I think it is not really an important feature, but the reason I did is because some people (including myself) don't like the way that favicon.txt is working in Gemini (which is not an official part of the specification, anyways).
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08:10:20 <b_jonas> ais523: I don't know, but in the end I don't care, I just try document onto the wiki esolangs and non-esolangs that are of interest to the esolang community
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13:40:33 <lisbeths> So uh
13:41:38 <lisbeths> https://files.catbox.moe/3lbxiw.pdf https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BWogurJa/1712641532699981.png
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13:43:24 <lisbeths> fastlisp is my language I've made after 12 years of studying language design
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13:43:55 <lisbeths> Does this bot do that every time you talk?
13:47:35 <fizzie> Only if someone makes an edit every time you talk.
13:52:45 <lisbeths> Fastlisp is an easiness oriented programming where the primary design decision is to make the language as easy to learn use and extend as possible for new programmers
13:56:50 <int-e> The wiki is actually an elaborate IRC frontend but few people know how to use it.
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14:07:16 <wib_jonas> yeah, it works in like base 9 or something weird like that
14:23:59 <wib_jonas> that said, if you can figure out how the esowiki works then you should probably create a page about this fastlisp there
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23:05:06 <esolangs> [[Swordfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126025&oldid=126024 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+206) Rectified both Hello, World! programs, which lapsed in the escaping of the operative symbols d and !, and supplemented a truth-machine as a further example.
23:05:55 <esolangs> [[Swordfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126026&oldid=126025 * Kaveh Yousefi * (-3) Improved the formatting by the deletion of supernumerary blank lines.
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14:15:24 <ais523> `olist 1301
14:15:27 <HackEso> olist <https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1301.html>: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
14:17:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Ais523 * moved [[Esolang:Sandbox 2]] to [[User:MihaiEso/Sandbox 2]]: we don't need two sandboxes in mainspace
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14:28:06 <Noisytoot> `echo Noisytoot >> /hackenv/bin/olist
14:28:07 <HackEso> Noisytoot >> /hackenv/bin/olist
14:28:53 <Noisytoot> ` echo Noisytoot >> /hackenv/bin/olist
14:28:54 <HackEso> ​? Permission denied
14:29:33 <ais523> isn't olist a shell script?
14:29:37 <ais523> `cat /hackenv/bin/olist
14:29:38 <HackEso> ​#!/bin/bash \ set -e; n=$*; [[ $n = +([0-9]) ]] && n=https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots$n.html; echo -n "olist${n:+ }<$n>: "; tail -n+3 "$0" | xargs; exit \ shachaf \ oerjan \ Sgeo \ FireFly \ boily \ nortti \ b_jonas
14:29:44 <ais523> ah, I see
14:29:58 <ais523> `` echo Noisytoot >> /hackenv/bin/olist
14:30:02 <HackEso> No output.
14:30:05 <ais523> `cat /hackenv/bin/olist
14:30:06 <HackEso> ​#!/bin/bash \ set -e; n=$*; [[ $n = +([0-9]) ]] && n=https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots$n.html; echo -n "olist${n:+ }<$n>: "; tail -n+3 "$0" | xargs; exit \ shachaf \ oerjan \ Sgeo \ FireFly \ boily \ nortti \ b_jonas \ Noisytoot
14:30:09 <ais523> Noisytoot: there you go
14:30:28 <ais523> need the double ` to actually run it through a shell, otherwise it just tries to use the executable directly
14:33:10 <esolangs> [[Text]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126032&oldid=115843 * PrySigneToFry * (+101)
14:37:16 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126033&oldid=126009 * PrySigneToFry * (+102)
14:39:29 <esolangs> [[User talk:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126034&oldid=125967 * PrySigneToFry * (+113)
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14:45:19 <FireFly> `` grep -v FireFly /hackenv/bin/olist >/tmp/foo && cat /tmp/foo >/hackenv/bin/olist
14:45:22 <HackEso> No output.
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14:46:09 <ais523> `cat /hackenv/bin/olist
14:46:10 <HackEso> ​#!/bin/bash \ set -e; n=$*; [[ $n = +([0-9]) ]] && n=https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots$n.html; echo -n "olist${n:+ }<$n>: "; tail -n+3 "$0" | xargs; exit \ shachaf \ oerjan \ Sgeo \ boily \ nortti \ b_jonas \ Noisytoot
14:46:32 <ais523> I guess I should be pasting it rather than catting it, to avoid pings
14:46:52 <Noisytoot> there's #esolangs-blah
14:47:05 <FireFly> or just a query
14:48:04 <FireFly> I guess I could've sed -i'd in retrospect, ahwell
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14:48:24 <wib_jonas> or on https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/diff/tip/bin/olist
14:49:13 <wib_jonas> `url /hackenv/bin/olist
14:49:14 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/bin/olist
14:50:42 <ais523> that's basically what `paste does, isn't it?
14:50:47 <ais523> `paste /hackenv/bin/olist
14:50:48 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/bin/olist
14:50:54 <ais523> oh, not just "basically" :-)
14:51:02 <ais523> `cat /hackenv/bin/url
14:51:03 <HackEso> ​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, os.path, re, urllib \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \ print "https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/" \ else: \ f = os.path.abspath(sys.argv[1]) \ f = re.sub(r"^/+hackenv/", "", f) \ if re.match(r"/|\.hg(?:/|$)",f): \ sys.exit("File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository.") \ elif re.match(r"tmp(?:/|$)",f): \ print ("https://hack.esolangs.org/" + urllib.quote(f)) \ else: \ print
14:51:06 <ais523> `cat /hackenv/bin/paste
14:51:07 <HackEso> ​#!/bin/bash \ if [ "$1" ] && url "$1" 2>/dev/null # Save making a file when it already exists. \ then \ true \ else \ PASTENUM="$RANDOM" \ \ mkdir -p $HACKENV/tmp/paste \ \ url $HACKENV/tmp/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" \ cat -- "${1--}" > $HACKENV/tmp/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" \ fi
14:52:26 <Noisytoot> `ls /tmp
14:52:27 <HackEso> No output.
14:52:59 <ais523> I think /tmp gets cleaned between every command
14:54:03 <int-e> `? cat
14:54:05 <HackEso> Cats are cool, but should be illegal.
14:54:40 <wib_jonas> yes, https://esolangs.org/wiki/HackEso#/tmp
14:56:48 <ais523> I forgot HackEso has actual instructions nowadays
14:58:05 <FireFly> `? IRP
14:58:07 <HackEso> IRP? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
14:59:08 <wib_jonas> just some of the instructions, I didn't bother writing most of them down
14:59:25 <wib_jonas> theoretically there's also a whatis
14:59:27 <wib_jonas> `whatis paste
14:59:28 <HackEso> paste(1) - merge lines of files \ paste(1p) - merge corresponding or subsequent lines of files \ paste(1hackeso) - print URL to read a file in hackenv through web \ paste(8lambdabot) - no description
14:59:28 <wib_jonas> `whatis url
14:59:29 <HackEso> url(7) - uniform resource identifier (URI), including a URL or URN \ url(1hackeso) - print URL for a file in the hackenv hg repository and web access of the repository \ url(8lambdabot) - no description
14:59:56 <wib_jonas> but that's mostly just all written by me and probably not many people edited or added whatis entries
15:00:14 <int-e> `whatis this
15:00:15 <HackEso> this: nothing appropriate.
15:00:32 <FireFly> `` whatis paste 1hackeso
15:00:34 <HackEso> paste(1) - merge lines of files \ paste(1p) - merge corresponding or subsequent lines of files \ paste(1hackeso) - print URL to read a file in hackenv through web \ paste(8lambdabot) - no description \ 1hackeso: nothing appropriate.
15:00:37 <FireFly> hmm
15:00:43 <FireFly> `whatis paste(1hackeso)
15:00:44 <HackEso> paste(1hackeso) - print URL to read a file in hackenv through web
15:01:05 <FireFly> that's neat though
15:01:11 <wib_jonas> thanks
15:01:20 <wib_jonas> I think there's a
15:01:22 <wib_jonas> `whatis makewhatis
15:01:23 <HackEso> makewhatis: nothing appropriate.
15:01:28 <wib_jonas> `whatis addwhatis
15:01:29 <HackEso> addwhatis(1hackeso) - modify the database of one-line manual page descriptions
15:01:35 <wib_jonas> to edit it
15:03:16 <FireFly> `paste addwhatis
15:03:18 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/addwhatis
15:03:28 <FireFly> wait right
15:03:43 <FireFly> `url /hackenv/bin/addwhatis
15:03:45 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/bin/addwhatis
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15:28:41 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126035 * Ashli Katt * (+6323) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Bleh |paradigms=Functional |author=[[User:Ashli Katt|Ashli Katt]] |year=[[:Category:2024|2024]] |refimpl=Unimplemented |class=Unknown |files=<code>.bleh</code> }} == Overview == Bleh is a functional language with some imperative aspects. A Bleh
15:29:41 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126036&oldid=126035 * Ashli Katt * (+161) Add tags oopsies
15:31:29 <Noisytoot> `ls /hackenv/tmp
15:31:31 <HackEso> ​🌱 \ 3 \ a.o \ a.out \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bef2 \ bfi \ bin \ Burlesque \ canary \ carrot.txt \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ eGtbSgN68aHU \ foo \ JoaoDir \ just \ karma \ le \ nonoodl \ olist.new \ output.b \ paste \ pd \ pd.c \ perlV \ pikhqbow_tst \ program \ -.s \ spline \ spout \ stall \ test \ test.sh \ this.py \ tmp \ wisdomls.txt \ wise-urls.txt \ xaa
15:35:13 <Noisytoot> `url /hackenv/bin/`
15:35:14 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/bin/%60
15:35:41 <Noisytoot> `` echo a | rnoodl
15:35:42 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: rnoodl: command not found
15:35:50 <Noisytoot> `` echo a | rnooodl
15:35:51 <HackEso> a
15:36:12 <FireFly> cat /tmp/🌱
15:36:16 <FireFly> `cat /tmp/🌱
15:36:17 <HackEso> cat: /tmp/🌱: No such file or directory
15:36:22 <int-e> `` pwd
15:36:22 <FireFly> `cat /hackenv/tmp/🌱
15:36:23 <HackEso> ​#!/bin/bash \ a=(${@// / }) \ python3 -c"import random as r;x=range;r.seed(${a[1]});print(''.join([chr(([*x(32,127), 10])[int(r.random()*96)]) for i in x(${a[0]})]))"
15:36:24 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/tmp
15:36:29 <FireFly> (shh I promise I'm awake)
15:36:32 <int-e> `` cat carrot.txt
15:36:33 <HackEso> No output.
15:36:45 <int-e> `` od -tx1 < carrot.txt
15:36:47 <HackEso> 0000000
15:36:47 <Noisytoot> `` echo nooodl | rnooodl
15:36:49 <HackEso> nooooooooodl
15:36:52 <int-e> `` rm carrot.txt
15:36:53 <HackEso> No output.
15:36:58 <Noisytoot> `` echo nooodl
15:36:59 <HackEso> noooooooodl
15:37:15 <Noisytoot> why does rnooodl exist?
15:37:43 <int-e> `hurl bin/rnooodl
15:37:45 <HackEso> File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository.
15:37:54 <int-e> `hurl ../bin/rnooodl
15:37:55 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/bin/rnooodl
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15:38:55 <shachaf> ais523: Don't we have a script to avoid pings? Maybe it's only for hg logs.
15:42:47 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126037&oldid=126036 * Ashli Katt * (+656)
15:47:23 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126038&oldid=126037 * Ashli Katt * (+4)
15:51:11 <ais523> shachaf: we do but I'm not sure what circumstances it gets used in
15:53:29 <int-e> `" butt
15:53:31 <HackEso> 1/1:669) <Phantom_Hoover> There.... is a box of Gardasil next to the butter in my fridge. <Phantom_Hoover> At least my sandwich will be immune to cervical cancer *and* genital warts, I suppose. \ 1129) <Sgeo> I don't like having an infinitely large close button on my browser
15:56:16 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126039&oldid=126038 * Ashli Katt * (+602) /* Examples */
15:56:46 <fizzie> rnooodl exists for "historical reasons".
15:57:17 <int-e> butt butt butt
15:58:19 <fizzie> It should probably be removed from $HACKENV/bin/` though.
15:58:34 <int-e> (cf. https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2013-05-15.html#lgj )
16:00:24 <esolangs> [[User:Ashli Katt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126040&oldid=120426 * Ashli Katt * (+73)
16:00:34 <fizzie> fungot: Do those project managers still have their board meetings on the street?
16:00:35 <fungot> fizzie: central time on the first i just know the appropriate.
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16:22:36 <wib_jonas> oh nice, you got fungot working? hi fungot
16:22:36 <fungot> wib_jonas: we ship to: street address: city: state: zip: country: i sit here and feel of rate schedules is march 6 on how the two years.
16:23:50 <shachaf> ais523: It looks like it's only for hg logs.
16:24:03 <shachaf> `cat /hackenv/bin/hlnp
16:24:04 <HackEso> scowrevs="$(/usr/bin/paste -sd'|' /hackenv/share/scowrevs)"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
16:24:50 <wib_jonas> I usually invoke hg directly and in private. I don't trust all the wrappers and don't feel like they give me any added value.
16:25:26 <wib_jonas> at one point I tried to write my own wrapper, but then gave up on it
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20:13:50 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126042&oldid=126039 * Ashli Katt * (-5) /* Functions */
21:00:45 <esolangs> [[Swordfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126043&oldid=126026 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+0) Rectified the description of the mirror instructions / and \, their effects had been confounded.
21:16:11 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126044&oldid=126042 * Ashli Katt * (+348)
21:23:13 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126045&oldid=126044 * Ashli Katt * (+285) /* Examples */
21:23:45 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126046&oldid=126045 * Ashli Katt * (-9) /* Examples */
21:40:28 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126047&oldid=126046 * Ashli Katt * (+84) Clarify whitespace
21:41:13 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126048&oldid=126047 * Ashli Katt * (+3)
21:42:33 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126049&oldid=126048 * Ashli Katt * (-16)
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22:48:04 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126052&oldid=125805 * BoundedBeans * (+13)
22:48:15 <esolangs> [[User:BoundedBeans]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126053&oldid=124157 * BoundedBeans * (+12)
23:00:16 <esolangs> [[Drive-In Window JSON]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126054 * BoundedBeans * (+5968) Created page with "Drive-In Window JSON is an esolang by [[User:BoundedBeans]] capturing the semantics of [[Drive-In Window]] but in JSON format. ==Namespaced IDs== A namespaced ID follows this format: Author.ExtensionName/IndividualID The Author, ExtensionName, and In
23:00:46 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126055&oldid=126052 * BoundedBeans * (+27)
23:01:19 <esolangs> [[User:BoundedBeans]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126056&oldid=126053 * BoundedBeans * (+26)
23:12:23 <esolangs> [[Drive-In Window]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126057&oldid=93003 * BoundedBeans * (+664) Added implementation and see also section
23:24:34 <esolangs> [[User:Ashli Katt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126058&oldid=126040 * Ashli Katt * (+90)
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23:26:46 <esolangs> [[User:Ashli Katt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126060&oldid=126059 * Ashli Katt * (+16)
23:32:33 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126061&oldid=125948 * Ashli Katt * (+155) Add 1.83 - [[Bleh]] to implementations section
23:41:38 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126062&oldid=126049 * Ashli Katt * (+739) Make comments easier to read
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23:43:40 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126063&oldid=126062 * Ashli Katt * (-3) /* Booleans */
23:49:03 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126064&oldid=126063 * Ashli Katt * (+181) /* Booleans */
23:49:32 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126065&oldid=126064 * Ashli Katt * (-3) /* Booleans */
23:57:33 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126066&oldid=126065 * Ashli Katt * (-2) /* Functions */
23:59:42 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126067&oldid=126066 * Ashli Katt * (+45) /* Expressions */
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00:03:56 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126068&oldid=126067 * Ashli Katt * (+162) /* Patterns */
00:04:34 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126069&oldid=126068 * Ashli Katt * (+6) /* Patterns */
00:20:29 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126070&oldid=126069 * Ashli Katt * (+452) /* Examples */
00:20:40 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126071&oldid=126070 * Ashli Katt * (+1) /* Simple Numbers */
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02:16:09 <esolangs> [[Bleh]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126073&oldid=126071 * Ashli Katt * (+623) /* Simple Numbers */
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09:05:09 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126075&oldid=126030 * Catto.4 * (+236) Added my introduction
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14:58:14 <esolangs> [[2/9 of an esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126076&oldid=125280 * BoundedBeans * (+3872) Clarified how interleaved programs work
15:01:34 <esolangs> [[2/9 of an esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126077&oldid=126076 * BoundedBeans * (+375) Clarified multi-character commands
15:05:09 <esolangs> [[2/9 of an esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126078&oldid=126077 * BoundedBeans * (+217) Clarified {} command with interleaved or replacement programs
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15:18:55 <esolangs> [[Buttons]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126080&oldid=126079 * AnotherUser05 * (+2) /* Cat Programs */
15:19:16 <esolangs> [[Buttons]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126081&oldid=126080 * AnotherUser05 * (+3) /* Cat Programs */
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15:56:40 <esolangs> [[AIGenLang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126083 * MihaiEso * (+3051) Created page with "AIGenLang is an esolang prompted by Mihai Popa and generated by ChatGPT (using the GPT-3.5 LLM). ==Command table== This is the command table: <pre> ADD - Add two numbers SUB - Subtract two numbers MUL - Multiply two numbers DIV - Divide two numbers PRINT - Output t
15:56:44 <esolangs> [[Use of AI in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126084&oldid=126082 * MihaiEso * (+16) /* Esoteric languages invented by AI */
16:02:20 <esolangs> [[AIGenLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126085&oldid=126083 * MihaiEso * (+93) Added categories.
16:03:43 <esolangs> [[2/9 of an esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126086&oldid=126078 * BoundedBeans * (+1957) Added Programming tips section
16:04:31 <esolangs> [[AI-Generated Esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126087&oldid=121218 * MihaiEso * (+29) /* Syntax */
16:05:03 <esolangs> [[Category:Generated by AI]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126088 * MihaiEso * (+49) Created page with "This category is for languages generated by a AI."
16:05:14 <esolangs> [[AIGenLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126089&oldid=126085 * MihaiEso * (+29) /* Factorial Program */
16:06:15 <esolangs> [[BittyLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126090&oldid=125327 * MihaiEso * (+29) /* Interpreter in Python */
16:06:29 <esolangs> [[MoonScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126091&oldid=120272 * MihaiEso * (+29) /* Interpreter */
16:06:47 <esolangs> [[GPTLang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126092&oldid=121023 * MihaiEso * (+29) /* Concepts */
16:25:12 <esolangs> [[2/9 of an esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126093&oldid=126086 * BoundedBeans * (+301) Added new commands
16:27:30 <esolangs> [[2/9 of an esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126094&oldid=126093 * BoundedBeans * (-7) Cleaned up some formatting
17:26:45 <esolangs> [[2/9 of an esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126095&oldid=126094 * BoundedBeans * (+145) Added extensibility
18:15:59 <b_jonas> oh hey. tom7 changed http://tom7.org/bovex/ from a directory listing containing the article but no source code to a tiny text file saying "Coming soon :)". I take that as meaning that he wasn't just waiting to publish after the conference, but the code isn't in a publishable state yet.
18:17:20 <esolangs> [[BoVeX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126096&oldid=125987 * B jonas * (+109) pre-order now!
20:16:27 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Fysh-Fyve * New user account
20:45:30 <esolangs> [[2/9 of an esolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126097&oldid=126095 * BoundedBeans * (-20) Removed "two ways" because I forgot the second way
20:46:02 <esolangs> [[2/9 of an esolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126098&oldid=126097 * BoundedBeans * (+1) Missing colon
20:51:56 <esolangs> [[Signal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126099&oldid=126023 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+114) Stub, categories, misc.
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01:07:58 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126100&oldid=126075 * TheFullestCircle * (+216)
01:56:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Subleq]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126101&oldid=104123 * ZCX islptng * (+546) /* A shorter HelloWorld program in a loop, length 35 */ new section
02:17:44 <esolangs> [[Detour]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126102 * TheFullestCircle * (+2921) Created page with "Detour is a cell-based esolang created by [[User:TheFullestCircle|TheFullestCircle]] where memory can only be edited indirectly. == Description == In Detour, memory is stored on a tape of cells that extends infinitely in both directions. Each tape is associate
02:20:22 <esolangs> [[Detour]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126103&oldid=126102 * TheFullestCircle * (+64) Forgot to add categories
02:22:35 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126104&oldid=126055 * TheFullestCircle * (+13) New language
02:29:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Duke * New user account
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02:49:35 <esolangs> [[User:TheFullestCircle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126107&oldid=126106 * TheFullestCircle * (+20)
02:51:39 <esolangs> [[Detour]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126108&oldid=126103 * TheFullestCircle * (+0)
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09:37:08 <b_jonas> what's the rule for whether a game abbreviates experience points to "XP" versus "EXP"?
09:40:48 * FireFly hands b_jonas a coin
09:41:03 <int-e> . o O ( if it ever had to run in 80 column character terminals it'll be XP )
09:41:38 <int-e> Or, you know, with 320x200 pixel graphics.
09:44:38 <esolangs> [[User:None1/ToDo]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126111&oldid=122645 * None1 * (+4) /* Content */
09:44:56 <esolangs> [[User:None1/ToDo]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126112&oldid=126111 * None1 * (+0) /* Content */
09:46:00 <esolangs> [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaEEEEEEEaaaaaaaaaaaa Source]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126113&oldid=113341 * None1 * (+29)
09:47:06 <esolangs> [[Category]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126114&oldid=123102 * None1 * (+48) /* Categories */
09:50:54 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126115&oldid=126104 * DanielE * (+14) Added Bruzzet
09:51:35 <esolangs> [[Bruzzet]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126116 * DanielE * (+1) Page now exists
09:51:59 <esolangs> [[User:DanielE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126117&oldid=125273 * DanielE * (+4)
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11:26:57 <esolangs> [[TREE(3)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126118&oldid=125149 * PrySigneToFry * (+850)
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12:52:24 <esolangs> [[Splitreverse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126121&oldid=126120 * Yourusername * (+52)
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12:54:14 <esolangs> [[Category:Untotal]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126123 * Yourusername * (+34) Created page with "The opposite of [[Category:Total]]"
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18:39:39 <esolangs> [[BFasm]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126129 * EvyLah * (+420) Created page with "'''BFasm''' is a programming language that compiles to [[brainfuck]]. It is created by [[User:EvyLah|User:Evylah]]. {{WIP}} == Overview == A BFasm program contains 255 memory cells you can use. Each cell is an actual cell in the brainfuck tape, so it can hold a value of 0
18:40:14 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * EvyLah * uploaded "[[File:BFasmTape.png]]": the tape diagram for BFasm when compiled to brainfuck
18:44:14 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * EvyLah * uploaded a new version of "[[File:BFasmTape.png]]": higher quality version and crop out whitespace
18:52:34 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * EvyLah * uploaded a new version of "[[File:BFasmTape.png]]": EVEN higher quality version (and with the anchor cell corrected for the new change)
19:06:57 <esolangs> [[Chessoteric]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126133&oldid=118713 * Joaozin003 * (+96) fix
19:07:55 <esolangs> [[BFasm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126134&oldid=126129 * EvyLah * (+1633) a lot of stuff
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19:36:22 <esolangs> [[Splitreverse]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126135&oldid=126122 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+20) Categories
19:36:42 <esolangs> [[Splitreverse]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126136&oldid=126135 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+14) Lowercase
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20:37:30 <esolangs> [[Detour]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126138&oldid=126137 * TheFullestCircle * (+24)
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02:03:28 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Template:NLWIP]]": this template is effectively describing the default state of a page on this wiki there isn't much point in having it because there wouldn't be any real pattern to the pages that did and didn't have it
02:04:32 <esolangs> [[User talk:MihaiEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126140&oldid=119297 * Ais523 * (+725) /* Please stop creating categories */ new section
02:10:27 <esolangs> [[Brainpocalypse II]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126141&oldid=122877 * Ais523 * (+15) /* Standard version */ a sufficiently pedantic reading of this section would interpret the second sentence of the definition of `-` as a no-op: make the definition of the command literally correct (even though it should have been obvious what it meant)
02:11:37 <esolangs> [[Brainpocalypse II]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126142&oldid=126141 * Ais523 * (+15) /* Numerical version */ make the same correction in this section, too
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10:53:32 <fizzie> Played some Infinite Craft after reading about it in SIGBOVIK, proud to report I'm the first discoverer of several quagdonic words, such as the Clthulhuquagdonic Snowdraquagdon. https://zem.fi/tmp/quagdon.png
10:53:46 <fizzie> (Less proud of the emoji coverage of that font.)
10:54:29 <int-e> I played it once: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/discoveries.png
10:55:30 <int-e> (Maybe a month ago?)
10:55:53 <int-e> I still have no clue what "CN GO LTK" is supposed to be.
10:55:59 <fizzie> Better showing w.r.t. emoji though.
10:57:04 <fizzie> CN GO LTK gets a thumb up.
10:57:16 <int-e> Of course all my, uh, progress is lost.
10:58:03 <int-e> Actually I played it twice. The second time I set out to make dog and cat. I eventually got there, but it was surprisingly painful.
10:59:14 <fizzie> Cthulhuquagdonic Snowdraquagdon is refusing to meld with any other word for some reason, though.
10:59:50 <int-e> Yeah I don't know what the criterion for that is. I've also experienced a sort of rate limit.
11:00:31 <int-e> Anyway, not getting into this again... it's such a huge waste of time ;-)
11:24:27 <fizzie> The SIGBOVIK paper mentioned that sometimes their API calls returned a special 'Nothing', that probably corresponds to the case where the words refuse to merge.
11:24:55 <fizzie> From the paper: "`Nothing`: This element cannot be created, as the game will not combine two factors whose result is `Nothing`.
11:26:13 <fizzie> They also say that while caching makes a recipe that gives Nothing keep giving Nothing, "the same API call in a different time or place" can yield something else, so they speculate it's what gets returned when there's some transient error.
11:48:21 <fizzie> New discovery: Cthulhuquagdonic Mothraquagdonic Narwhalicorn.
11:48:53 <fizzie> Also spent a while in the My Little Pony corner generating a lot of names that sound vaguely familiar from the Internet but that I have no actual knowledge of.
11:52:05 <b_jonas> what the heck
11:52:13 <b_jonas> ok, that might work as next month's password
11:53:38 <fizzie> I would like to have at least one discovery that doesn't have the substring "quagdon" in it anywhere.
11:56:26 <fizzie> And just like that, it's done; I've discovered Darth Spongeicorn Moon.
11:56:31 <b_jonas> fizzie: they kind of sound like a space filling curve from http://arxiv.org/abs/1607.02433 . if there's a terdragon there has to be a draquagdon too.
12:01:13 <int-e> can you get corn from a unicorn, hmm
12:01:43 <int-e> (generally, removing parts from terms seems to be hard)
12:02:33 <int-e> Though I've seen *some* cancellation. (Not sure which, it was something akin to grumpy + happy -> nothing)
12:02:58 <int-e> There are some words that act as modifiers. IIRC, baby + satan = demon.
12:03:25 <fizzie> Some of them do make sense. I did Captain Hook + Clean = Peter Pan; Peter Pan + Firefly = Tinkerbell.
12:04:07 <int-e> I had Tinkerbell by something like that.
12:04:13 <FireFly> :o
12:04:18 <int-e> though it may have been Jane + Peter Pan = Tinkerbell
12:04:27 <fizzie> And I did get from Darth Spongeicorn Moon back down to plain Darth Spongeicorn and even just Spongeicorn.
12:04:40 <int-e> Because somehow that game thinks that "Jane + something" gives you the feminine version of something.
12:06:04 <fizzie> Capitalization seems a little inconsistent. I've got "SpongeBob SquarePants" and "SpongeBob", but then "Darth Spongebob" with a lowercase 'b'.
12:06:23 <b_jonas> hmm, is that something like Darth Spongeicorn Moon + past -> Darth Spongeicorn (from before he gained power over the moon), and Darth Spongeicorn + species -> Spongeicorn ?
12:06:45 <int-e> Oh I had something both with hyphen and with a space instead, forgot what that was.
12:06:49 <int-e> But they were separate terms.
12:07:30 <b_jonas> perhaps if you synthetized "head" and "tail", or "car" and "cdr" or something like that, it could split words
12:08:06 <fizzie> Rapunzel + Haircut = Prince.
12:09:15 <fizzie> On the other hand, if you give Snow White a haircut, she stays Snow White.
12:10:12 <int-e> . o O ( grim fairy tales )
12:11:03 <fizzie> From what I've seen, Unicorns are very glueable to all kinds of things. For example, Rich + Spongicorn = Richicorn.
12:11:48 <int-e> yeah and they have a tendency to stack, or had when I played.
12:12:03 <fizzie> Also proved that a dwarf is just a rich troll, which sounds a little biased.
12:12:06 <int-e> So you might find a Richicornicorn soon.
12:12:59 <fizzie> Yeah, I did see a Narwhalicornicorn around.
12:13:08 <int-e> But I was happier with discoveries that use normal words.
12:13:44 <b_jonas> the Darth Spongicorn Moon makes sense, there's a huge amount of MLP fan fiction and fanart available as training data
12:13:53 <int-e> So "Pizza Steam Powered Death Dragon" and "Cheesy Battle Lawyer" were my favorites.
12:14:04 <fizzie> I liked your Cheesy Copyright Settlement.
12:14:09 <fizzie> Hobbit + Money = Gollum. A good lesson for us all.
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12:20:38 <fizzie> Sometimes it's a _little_ hard to guess at the logic behind these recipes. Manbearpig + King = Al Gore.
12:20:44 <fizzie> Well, maybe I can get Internet out of Al Gore at least.
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12:21:25 <b_jonas> hmm, apparently Spongeicorn and Spongicorn seem to be rare words accroding to google searches. I expected like ten thousand fanart drawings with that keyword.
12:21:28 <b_jonas> `? al gore
12:21:31 <HackEso> Al Gore invented the algorithm.
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12:21:46 <fizzie> Al Gore + Nobel Prize = Hypocrite.
12:22:10 <int-e> That's all Peace Nobel prices ever.
12:22:26 <int-e> (I have not actually checked the list, there may be one or two exceptions.)
12:22:59 <fizzie> Trump + Nobel Prize = ?. As in, literally just a "?".
12:23:28 <int-e> I loved ?. I got ??? too from it.
12:23:32 <fizzie> Fake + News = Fox. This model has opinions.
12:24:13 <b_jonas> int-e: my understanding is that they sometimes give them *in advance* to leaders who seem to have some scruples about their public image, trying to shame them into not becoming war villains because that would look bad for someone with a Nobel Peace Price
12:25:01 <int-e> huh
12:25:09 <int-e> that makes no sense to me at all
12:26:53 <fizzie> Still missing a "just regular words" discovery, but at least I've made Gollumba The Huttman. Out of things like Mothman, Gollum, Obama and Jabba The Hutt.
12:27:36 <b_jonas> so they're basically turning politicians into hypocrites, so that others can attack them like "you're supposed to be this big hero of Peace with a Nobel price, how come you're supporting this war then"
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12:36:47 <b_jonas> maybe spongeicorns never evolved because changelings have occupied their ecological niches
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13:52:01 <b_jonas> we should tell today's kids that our 1990s computers had magical monitors, called VGA, which would switch betewen 720×480 and 640×480 pixel resolutions. how is that possible! you need a matrix of pixels with resolution at least 5760×2400 for that! they'll be impressed by the power of retro technology
13:53:06 <int-e> > lcm 480 400 -- presumably
13:53:08 <lambdabot> 2400
13:54:10 <b_jonas> and then we voluntarily gave up those monitors and switched to half-modern TFTs with a resolution of merely 1280×1080 pixels and we were happier with them, even though not only their resolution but their color gamut was worse
13:54:41 <int-e> > lcm 200 350
13:54:42 <lambdabot> 1400
13:54:58 <b_jonas> > lcm -1 1 -- which variant of lcm does the Haskell standard library use? there are two for some reason
13:54:59 <lambdabot> error:
13:55:00 <lambdabot> • Could not deduce (Num t0)
13:55:00 <lambdabot> from the context: (Integral a, Num t, Num (a -> a -> a),
13:55:06 <b_jonas> > lcm (-1) 1
13:55:07 <int-e> > foldl1 lcm [350,400,480]
13:55:07 <lambdabot> 1
13:55:09 <lambdabot> 16800
13:55:14 <b_jonas> the more common one
13:56:10 <int-e> and the 320x200 modes did not have a 16:10 aspect ratio either, imagine that
13:57:10 <b_jonas> yeah, the exact aspect ratio wasn't even defined and could differ between systems
13:57:23 <b_jonas> though that's more true for 80s computers than 90s ones
13:57:48 <b_jonas> nah, never mind, still true for 90s ones
14:00:25 <int-e> 4:3, give or take :-)
14:01:21 <int-e> (It may not have been defined but the 90s monitors I've seen all were approximately that format. TVs too, which is probably why.)
14:08:17 <int-e> Also the fun noise auf the de-Gauss button
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15:55:13 <fizzie> Bwonggg!
15:55:39 <fizzie> The viewing angles also got a lot worse when we switched to flats.
15:57:19 <fizzie> I think I switched to a 1600x1200 resolution from CRTs.
16:00:09 <fizzie> Although I feel like I had maybe a 1280x1024 one as well. Was that something people did? Maybe.
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19:45:01 <fizzie> How weird. I gave it two things, and it just combined them with a comma. So now I've got a "Dwarven Gollumpicar, Lord Of The Gourd Of The Rings".
19:45:21 <int-e> nice
19:47:30 <fizzie> Also managed to get to two words ("Internet", "Trumpinator") intentionally, but yeah, it's quite hard to direct it to a specific word. In retrospect, Internet should've been easy ("Al Gore" + "Meme"), but Trumpinator took some doing.
19:47:50 <fizzie> (I've been getting a bit of spam advertising a Trumpinator Bobblehead recently.)
19:48:21 <int-e> fizzie: Do you want to know how I finally got cat and dog?
19:49:03 <fizzie> I've got a Dog, but I forget how I got it. I feel like adding "Clean" to things has been useful though.
19:49:28 <fizzie> Thought Dog + Enemy would obviously be a Cat, but it's instead Foe.
19:49:39 <int-e> I got cat from Internet + Pet, and I got dog from Computer + Pet and I have no idea why those are different :)
19:50:15 <int-e> Or maybe the cat was Lion + pet?
19:50:20 <int-e> I got pet from chicken I think
19:50:24 <int-e> it's... hard.
19:50:49 <fizzie> Oh, I just got Cat. From Dog + Frenemy.
19:50:54 <fizzie> I _guess_ that makes sense.
19:50:57 <int-e> Also the web UI is a bit tedious. It's convenient to leave useful terms on the canvas, but to duplicate a term you have to double-click. Yuck.
19:51:14 <int-e> Frenemy, now that's a term I haven't seen in that game.
19:51:25 <int-e> I guess that's part of its charm.
19:51:30 <fizzie> I think it came out of Friend + Enemy.
19:51:35 <fizzie> Very literal.
19:52:00 <int-e> Namely that everyone ends up with a different fragment of the vocabulary.
19:52:20 <int-e> I didn't have enemy either I think
19:54:21 <fizzie> The SIGBOVIK paper authors said they ended up with 1.8M recipes for 240k+ unique elements. But I don't think they did it by clicking.
19:55:41 <int-e> so they burned a ton of discoveries that people could've otherwise claimed for themselves :-/
19:56:28 <fizzie> Probably. It's a bit of a shame.
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19:43:31 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126186&oldid=125915 * Wincent * (+496) Added three more Brainfuck implementations to Normal implementations
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02:50:29 <esolangs> [[,]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126188&oldid=113180 * Cleverxia * (-23) /* Python */
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13:31:27 <esolangs> [[HZCode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126191&oldid=126190 * None1 * (+6) /* Pi calculator (slow) */
13:33:23 <esolangs> [[HZCode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126192&oldid=126191 * None1 * (+105) /* Pi calculator (slow) */
13:35:39 <esolangs> [[HZCode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126193&oldid=126192 * None1 * (+41) /* Stack operations */
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14:06:54 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126195&oldid=125924 * Cleverxia * (+406)
14:12:10 <esolangs> [[AnyGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126196&oldid=126149 * Cleverxia * (+102) the is same as 'b'?
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17:01:13 <esolangs> [[AnyGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126198&oldid=126196 * OrangeDied * (+77) /* Commands */
17:10:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:HACKER LANG]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126199 * OrangeDied * (+128) Created page with "you know machine code is a thing right ~~~~"
17:22:10 <int-e> `rot13 egb13
17:22:12 <HackEso> rto13
17:22:18 <int-e> hah
17:22:31 <int-e> `rot13 K5B!C%@NC[4\CMK54(C^)7PP)7}$RVPNE-FGNAQNEQ-NAGVIVEHF-GRFG-SVYR!$U+U*
17:51:24 <fizzie> Did that actually get filtered by some thing?
17:52:09 <int-e> Yes.
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17:52:58 <int-e> (Libera blocked such a message from me yesterday in another context, and I felt that this channel might appreciate the effect :-P)
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17:55:25 <fizzie> I couldn't tell if it was that or just a well-timed coincidental failure of some kind.
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17:56:39 <Guest8> hello I am here to learn about esoteric programming languages
17:57:34 <int-e> fizzie: I imagine that at some point it had a similar effect as the silly bogues DCC SEND stuff that caused personal firewalls to close client connections
17:58:08 <int-e> And that would explain why it's blocked. But it's speculation. :-)
17:59:38 <b_jonas> int-e: that would be my guess too
17:59:58 <int-e> "bogues" hrmpf
18:00:21 <int-e> though if any word deserves to be spelled wrong it's that one
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18:06:46 <fizzie> `rot13 +++NGU0
18:06:47 <HackEso> ​+++ATH0
18:06:57 <fizzie> Guess that's not a concern any more.
18:10:12 <int-e> the fact that that one ever worked is still hilarious to me
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18:53:27 <Noisytoot> The +u user/channel mode will prevent messages to that user/channel from getting filtered
18:57:40 <int-e> Noisytoot: cool but probably not a great idea (most of the filtered stuff will be spam)
18:58:18 <int-e> and honestly I'd rather see that my message could not be sent rather than having it silently filtered for 99% of the channel users.
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19:08:03 <Noisytoot> int-e: when set on a channel, it won't be filtered for anyone in that channel. the usermode just applies for PMs
19:09:43 <zzo38> I also think that it would help to display an error message, that it cannot be send because does not have +u mode
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19:24:53 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126201&oldid=126200 * Joaozin003 * (+18) Oops, I forgot to add the 2024 category!
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20:58:56 <int-e> "C23 declares realloc(ptr,0) to be undefined behavior" :-(
20:59:27 <int-e> (seen on #haskell, I was unaware)
21:08:07 <int-e> Oh citation: https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3588242
21:11:33 <b_jonas> int-e: that might make sense, because some realloc-like functions make that free the allocation, others behave consistently to malloc(0) in that it does keep a unique allocation of 0 size, so they don't want to mandate a behavior that some of the realloc implementations don't actually keep
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21:14:19 <int-e> b_jonas: It's true that malloc(0) implementations disagree on whether they return something or a NULL pointer. Using that as an excuse to downgrade an implementation-defined behavior to undefined behavior is borderline insane.
21:15:11 <b_jonas> int-e: what? no, malloc(0) is mandated to allocate, it's realloc whose behavior differs
21:15:44 <b_jonas> hmm no, apparently the standard doesn't mandate even what malloc(0) does,
21:15:56 <b_jonas> but still I don't think that's the reason for the realloc difference
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21:17:56 <b_jonas> as in, suppose you have a user code that implements a variable-sized array by just mallocing to the exact size. it doesn't matter if the malloc returns nullptr or a new allocation, free will work fine on it either way, and the code won't read or write through the pointer because the array is zero-sized. that doesn't cause a problem.
21:20:02 <b_jonas> the problem is if code tried to assume that realloc to zero size frees the allocation.
21:20:12 <int-e> "If the size of the space requested is zero, the behavior is implementation-defined: either a null pointer is returned to indicate an error, or the behavior is as if the size were some nonzero value, except that the returned pointer shall not be used to access an object."
21:20:44 <int-e> (C17 final draft; the language in C11 is similar, I haven't checked others)
21:21:35 <int-e> Anyway, either of these behaviors gives you a sane uniform implementation of variable-sized arrays. Though one of them is mildly inefficient.
21:22:01 <b_jonas> int-e: that's for malloc, right?
21:22:08 <fizzie> There were a lot of twists and turns to the realloc(ptr, 0) story.
21:23:07 <fizzie> First there was a defect report on C11, DR 400 -- https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/summary.htm#dr_400 -- then a "fix" in C17, then a re-request for clarification -- https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2438.htm -- and then finally the proposal to make it undefined -- https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2464.pdf
21:24:04 <b_jonas> hmm, except not quite because malloc and realloc also return a null pointer if they fail to allocate, so you usually need to check for a null pointer returned anyway
21:24:06 <int-e> Hmm, C17... "If size is zero and memory for the new object is not allocated, it is implementation-defined whether the old object is deallocated. If the old object is not deallocated, its value shall be unchanged."
21:24:10 <int-e> (realloc)
21:24:29 <fizzie> C17 also marked it as an "obsolescent feature", as I recall.
21:25:17 <fizzie> C17 (N2176) 7.31.12p2: "Invoking `realloc` with a `size` argument equal to zero is an obsolescent feature."
21:25:20 <int-e> So C17 already misstepped.
21:26:00 <b_jonas> I dunno
21:26:40 <int-e> C11 talks about allocation so it'll be in line with the initial paragraph about allocation functions, so you have one of two behaviors for size 0.
21:26:58 <int-e> b_jonas: You realize that people depend on this, right
21:29:13 <b_jonas> int-e: yes, and I think different old code might depend on either of the two behaviors
21:30:07 <int-e> So if any compiler writer now decides to take advantage of the fact that zero-sized reallocs are undefined for optimizations... *shudders*
21:30:29 <int-e> I guess it's easier to look for than the signed overflow mess.
21:31:04 <int-e> (where the excuse was easy; it had never been defined behavior at all)
21:39:01 <Noisytoot> requiring payment for C standards is unacceptable
21:52:43 <fizzie> Discovered the other day that a `comp.lang.go` Usenet newsgroup got recently(-ish; late 2023) created.
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21:53:08 <fizzie> "The Last Call for Comments (LCC) on 2023-09-25 initiated a five-day period for final comments. Following this comment period, the Big-8 Management Board voted to create the unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.go. The vote was 2 in favour and 0 opposed. One member did not vote."
21:53:31 <fizzie> Not sure why, but that made me not think that Usenet is terribly thriving.
21:53:53 <fizzie> (There have not been very many posts in the group.)
21:53:59 <int-e> 90% of the times I hear about Usnet it's from zzo38.
21:55:25 <fizzie> It does seem that comp.lang.c still gets a moderate amount of... eh, let's call it discussion to be charitable.
22:03:17 <int-e> LOL, who wrote this?! "HQVGA (or Half-QVGA) denotes a display screen resolution of 240 × 160 or 160 × 240 pixels, as seen on the Game Boy Advance. This resolution is *half* of QVGA (320x240), which is itself *a quarter* of VGA, which is 640 × 480 pixels." (slightly edited from Wikipedia; emphasis mine)
22:03:39 <int-e> hmm
22:03:51 <int-e> ah no, never mind
22:04:13 <int-e> I somehow missed the fact that 240 wasn't divided by 2. Sigh.
22:04:48 <int-e> ^Z^Z^Z^Z
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22:08:01 <b_jonas> int-e: https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-10.html#lfX says Q doesn't mean quarter, it means four times
22:08:48 <fizzie> Looks like it's sometimes a quad, sometimes a quarter.
22:09:24 <int-e> b_jonas: truly an authorative reference
22:11:16 <fizzie> I was going to suggest maybe it's quad for derivations of "HD" and quarter for derivations of "VGA", but at least that Wikipedia page claims it's quad also in constructions such as QSXGA, WQSXGA, QUXGA, WQUXGA and so on.
22:12:18 <fizzie> "QuadVGA[34] (also labelled as Quad VGA[149] or Quad-VGA[150][failed verification]) is a non-standard term used to refer to a resolution of 1280 × 960, since both sides are doubled from VGA. However, it is usually not as the abbreviation QVGA because this is strongly associated with the alternate meaning Quarter VGA (QVGA 320 × 240)."
22:12:58 <fizzie> "It is sometimes unofficially called SXGA−[citation needed] to avoid confusion with the SXGA standard (1280 × 1024)." Yes, I'm sure that's not confusing at all.
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05:35:40 <esolangs> [[Graphwalk]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126210 * Cleverxia * (+1101) Created page with "Graphwalk is an [[esoteric programming language]] based on a graph. ==Syntax== The syntax is really symple: it's just a graph. the precise format: <pre> N S action1 D1 B1,1 ... B1,D1 action2 D2 B2,1 ... B2,D2 ... actionN DN BN,1 ... BN,DN </pre> That is, first come
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05:48:30 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126214&oldid=125983 * Cleverxia * (+41)
05:56:22 <Taneb> What's up in the world of esolangs
06:24:45 <shachaf> I read way too much C++ template code today, does that count as esolang?
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10:00:32 <FireFly> programming in C++ templates sounds esoteric to me
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13:10:26 <esolangs> [[Six instruction language :)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126218&oldid=126217 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+218) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Six instruction language :) programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented.
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14:29:55 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126221&oldid=126220 * Shamrocky * (+1)
14:31:29 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126222&oldid=126221 * Shamrocky * (+81) /* me when uh me me when uhhhhhh me me when uh */
14:37:20 <esolangs> [[User:Shamrocky]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126223&oldid=126184 * Shamrocky * (+5) /* Avatar */
14:39:08 <esolangs> [[User:Shamrocky]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126224&oldid=126223 * Shamrocky * (+116) /* ATLA & TLOK */
14:48:40 <esolangs> [[User:Shamrocky]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126225&oldid=126224 * Shamrocky * (-29) /* Toph Beifong */
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22:20:17 <esolangs> [[English]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126227&oldid=126209 * OrangeDied * (+85) /* Bootstrap */ on fait un peu de francais
22:20:52 <esolangs> [[English]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126228&oldid=126227 * OrangeDied * (+38) /* Bootstrap */
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23:09:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:Pointstack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126229 * OrangeDied * (+139) Created page with "== Creating an interpreter == quick question: does "," only read a single byte for input or does it read each byte of input a la brainfuck"
23:11:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:English]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126230&oldid=108456 * OrangeDied * (+259)
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00:14:33 <esolangs> [[Pljic!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126232 * Mmmph! * (+836) Created page with "'''PLJIC!''' is a programming language created by [[User:Mmmph!]] as a thing to do. == Overview == '''PLJIC!''' code is executed one character at a time, much like [[HQ9+]]. == Commands == * <code>P</code> prints the internal variable. * <code>L</code> label, sets the l
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03:05:08 <esolangs> [[Pljic!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126233&oldid=126232 * MihaiEso * (+27) Fixed broken syntax.
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10:25:36 <esolangs> [[PushDupAddSub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126234&oldid=120758 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+436) Introduced an examples section comprehending two initial members: one being an addition and subtraction program, the other an iterative counter.
10:26:38 <esolangs> [[PushDupAddSub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126235&oldid=126234 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+221) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the PushDupAddSub programming language on GitHub and supplemented two page categories.
10:32:17 <esolangs> [[PushDupAddSub]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126236&oldid=126235 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+79) Amended a few orthographic mistakes.
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10:45:22 <esolangs> [[No.js]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126237&oldid=123996 * Cleverxia * (+29)
10:48:12 <esolangs> [[Gotohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126238&oldid=100233 * Cleverxia * (+136) /* Turing Completeness */
10:52:38 <esolangs> [[Gotohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126239&oldid=126238 * Cleverxia * (+248) /* Brainfuck interpreter with limited memory */
10:54:40 <esolangs> [[Gotohell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126240&oldid=126239 * Cleverxia * (+103) /* Brainfuck interpreter with auto-extending memory */
11:47:28 <esolangs> [[Pointstack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126241&oldid=126226 * MihaiEso * (-9) Simpler.
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14:16:49 <esolangs> [[TC]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126242 * Yourusername * (+564) Created page with "This is TC in small bytes, data places have only two cells {| class="wikitable" |+ Commands |- ! CM !! DESC !! EX !! ID |- | * || flips the bit here || **** || 000 |- | / || flips the data pointer || */*/ || 001 |- | # || enter this cell and make another data place in it
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14:35:13 <esolangs> [[Onione]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126246&oldid=126051 * BoundedBeans * (+1) Added missing bitwise OR operator to GENERATE command in table
14:45:18 <esolangs> [[Onione]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126247&oldid=126246 * BoundedBeans * (+0) Fixed 512 to 513
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15:05:50 <esolangs> [[Sugueziume]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126248&oldid=116172 * BoundedBeans * (+467) Added ZP command, clarified equality with namespaces
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15:25:56 <esolangs> [[Get there]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126249&oldid=125810 * Yayimhere * (+66)
15:26:47 <esolangs> [[Get there]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126250&oldid=126249 * Yayimhere * (+1)
15:30:14 <esolangs> [[4est]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126251&oldid=123818 * BoundedBeans * (+0) Fixed capitalization of ^Math OP commands
15:33:16 <esolangs> [[Get there]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126252&oldid=126250 * Yayimhere * (+64)
15:52:53 <esolangs> [[Pljic!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126253&oldid=126233 * Mmmph! * (+41)
15:54:12 <esolangs> [[ExtendedPig]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126254&oldid=111099 * BoundedBeans * (+0) Fixed capitalization of "i" command
16:18:00 <esolangs> [[User:XKCD Random Number]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126255&oldid=125664 * Catto.4 * (+86) Added Cood implementation
16:22:47 <esolangs> [[Iq]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126256&oldid=109535 * Mmmph! * (+25) added the implemented category
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17:17:00 <esolangs> [[User:Mmmph!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126257&oldid=109530 * Mmmph! * (+45) added links to things
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18:08:08 <zzo38> Why did Wizards of the Coast change the date format in the file name?
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19:55:16 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Bradcypert * New user account
19:57:16 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126258&oldid=126185 * Bradcypert * (+190)
19:57:50 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126259&oldid=126258 * Bradcypert * (+90)
19:59:21 <esolangs> [[BytePusher]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126260&oldid=106404 * Bradcypert * (+179)
20:03:03 <esolangs> [[User:Bradcypert]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126261 * Bradcypert * (+95) Created page with " .-. (o o) boo! | O \ \ \ `~~~'"
20:04:38 <esolangs> [[User:Bradcypert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126262&oldid=126261 * Bradcypert * (-39)
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14:59:03 <esolangs> [[TC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126263&oldid=126245 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+57) Stub, categories
15:08:31 <esolangs> [[Marble run!!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126264&oldid=123783 * AnotherUser05 * (+0)
15:10:54 <esolangs> [[Assembliera]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126265 * PrySigneToFry * (+8981) Created page with "Assembliera is designed by Steve Abel. It just like a real ASseMbly Language, but is has more function. == Commands and Syntax== {| class="wikitable" |+ Commands |- ! Assembliera !! From !! Mean |- | <code><nowiki>add a, b</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>ADD
15:12:05 <esolangs> [[DateTri]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126266 * BoundedBeans * (+9941) Created page with "DateTri is an esolang by [[User:BoundedBeans]] which is designed to look like an old programming language, as well as showing off three different definitions of the word "Date". ==Data types== There are three data types: date, date, and date. ===Date=== This repr
15:12:27 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126267&oldid=126170 * PrySigneToFry * (+73)
15:12:30 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126268&oldid=126267 * BoundedBeans * (+14)
15:12:44 <esolangs> [[User:BoundedBeans]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126269&oldid=126056 * BoundedBeans * (+13)
15:14:08 <esolangs> [[User:PrySigneToFry]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126270&oldid=125997 * PrySigneToFry * (+72)
15:17:17 <esolangs> [[DotNetOISC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126271&oldid=123132 * BoundedBeans * (+15) Corrected language about line continuations
15:21:59 <esolangs> [[Text]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126272&oldid=126126 * PrySigneToFry * (+624)
15:27:20 <esolangs> [[HZfunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126273&oldid=126165 * PrySigneToFry * (+134)
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15:31:31 <esolangs> [[Python but even worse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126275&oldid=112523 * PrySigneToFry * (+43)
15:32:57 <esolangs> [[Python but even worse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126276&oldid=126275 * PrySigneToFry * (+313)
15:34:27 <esolangs> [[Python but even worse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126277&oldid=126276 * PrySigneToFry * (+338)
15:35:21 <esolangs> [[Python but even worse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126278&oldid=126277 * PrySigneToFry * (+55)
15:37:43 <esolangs> [[DotNetOISC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126279&oldid=126271 * BoundedBeans * (+507) Fixed/improved truth-machine example
15:39:30 <esolangs> [[Execoil]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126280&oldid=110773 * BoundedBeans * (-4) Changed quotes from Unicode to ASCII
15:39:55 <esolangs> [[Execoil]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126281&oldid=126280 * BoundedBeans * (-8) Forgot a few quotes, oops
15:43:17 <esolangs> [[Python But WORST]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126282 * PrySigneToFry * (+794) Created page with "Python but <big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big>WORST</big></big></big></big></big></big></big></big> is designed and implemented by Steve Abel. It just likes [[Python but even worse]], but if the program '''''doesn't''''' have any error, it will crash
15:44:46 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126283&oldid=126268 * PrySigneToFry * (+50)
15:45:32 <esolangs> [[Python but WORST]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126284 * PrySigneToFry * (+30) Redirected page to [[Python But WORST]]
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17:15:33 <esolangs> [[AnyGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126285&oldid=126207 * Qawtykit * (+376) woah file I/O and regex
17:22:56 <esolangs> [[AnyGolf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126286&oldid=126285 * Qawtykit * (+36) clarification
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01:10:20 <esolangs> [[Fun Video Game]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126287&oldid=118243 * Qawtykit * (+73) Added Befunge implementation
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04:56:34 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126289&oldid=125360 * PrySigneToFry * (+174)
05:13:23 <esolangs> [[3018AD]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126290 * PrySigneToFry * (+5890) Created page with "3018AD is a Esolang that looks like a future spacewar. == Header == When making a 3018AD program, you must start by naming all of the constituent and their Planet in the battle. No two constituent can have the same name. Use this header: <pre> <[Example: ]> Planet
05:14:18 <esolangs> [[Category:Medium-level]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126291 * PrySigneToFry * (+64) Created page with "Medium level is likes Velato, only supports ALL BASIC FUNCTIONS."
05:14:58 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126292&oldid=126283 * PrySigneToFry * (+13)
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05:21:03 <esolangs> [[TREE(3)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126294&oldid=126127 * PrySigneToFry * (+392)
05:23:39 <esolangs> [[User talk:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126295&oldid=126034 * PrySigneToFry * (+223)
05:25:34 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126296&oldid=126289 * PrySigneToFry * (+22)
06:13:51 <esolangs> [[Wenyan]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126297&oldid=125840 * PrySigneToFry * (+1914)
06:46:49 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126298&oldid=124625 * PrySigneToFry * (+71)
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07:00:36 <esolangs> [[Spoiler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126300&oldid=124835 * PrySigneToFry * (+3)
07:01:08 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126301&oldid=126201 * PrySigneToFry * (-107)
07:05:08 <esolangs> [[Template:WrongUserName]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126302 * PrySigneToFry * (+134) Created page with ":''The username of this user is not correct because of technical limitations. The correct username is actually '''{{{username}}}'''.''"
07:06:00 <esolangs> [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126303&oldid=117880 * PrySigneToFry * (-69)
07:09:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:PATH]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126304 * PrySigneToFry * (+162) Created page with "Please don't edit anything here. This used to be a Spam page. --~~~~"
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07:12:17 <esolangs> [[Python But Bad]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126306&oldid=126274 * PrySigneToFry * (+23)
07:14:40 <esolangs> [[User talk:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126307&oldid=126299 * PrySigneToFry * (+20)
07:17:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126308&oldid=126307 * PrySigneToFry * (+200)
07:20:21 <esolangs> [[Template:UltimaStub]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126309 * PrySigneToFry * (+274) Created page with "The content of this article is Very Very Super <big>Hyper <big>Mega <big>Giga <big>Tera <big>Peta <big>Exa <big>Zetta <big>Yotta <big>Xonna <big>Vunda <big>Ultra <big>Ultimate</big></big></big></big></big></big></big></big></big></big></big></big> few (
07:21:46 <esolangs> [[MindPlus]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126310 * PrySigneToFry * (+106) Created page with "{{UltimaStub}} MindPlus just a variant of Scratch (there is one more function that can control the drone)."
07:21:56 <esolangs> [[MindPlus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126311&oldid=126310 * PrySigneToFry * (+1)
07:22:16 <esolangs> [[Template:UltimaStub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126312&oldid=126309 * PrySigneToFry * (+20)
07:22:30 <esolangs> [[MindPlus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126313&oldid=126311 * PrySigneToFry * (+24)
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10:29:31 <esolangs> [[Six instruction language :)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126316&oldid=126218 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+108) Improved the formatting and supplemented a note regarding the naming conventions in the instruction table.
10:34:14 <esolangs> [[Python but even worse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126317&oldid=126305 * PrySigneToFry * (+26)
10:34:50 <esolangs> [[Python but even worse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126318&oldid=126317 * PrySigneToFry * (+6)
10:37:58 <esolangs> [[Piet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126319&oldid=116788 * PrySigneToFry * (+19)
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10:52:30 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126320&oldid=126259 * Lixxide * (+101) /* Introductions */
10:52:46 <b_jonas> fungot, what's the typical range of body length without tail of fully grown housecats?
10:52:46 <fungot> b_jonas: any line items and will not know that the question that
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11:17:16 <esolangs> [[JR]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126321&oldid=92070 * Rdebath * (+447) Add TBS style interpreter
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11:54:46 <fizzie> ^style
11:54:46 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld elon enron* europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
11:54:50 <fizzie> ^style irc
11:54:51 <fungot> Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
11:55:10 <fizzie> fungot: Can you try answering the previous question again?
11:55:11 <fungot> fizzie: as sarah is an example of a convenience routine. c-filename is the filename
11:55:24 <fizzie> Didn't seem to help much.
11:55:53 <int-e> b_jonas: it's about one fur long
12:09:15 <fizzie> Incidentally, I thought about adding a thing to the 'esolangs' bot that you could ask it a question, it'd do some sort of rudimentary TF-IDF search of the words in the question on the wiki, paste the question and any articles it finds (that fit in the token limits) into the Google Gemini API and ask it to answer it. It might even plausibly generate useful answers, modulo the usual Gen"AI" caveats
12:09:17 <fizzie> of making stuff up.
12:09:21 <fizzie> But (a) people understandably have resevations about those things and it seems convoluted to get informed consent ahead of time (well, maybe it could keep track of accounts and ask the first time it's used...) and (b) the API isn't available in UK/EU anyway.
12:11:29 <int-e> . o O ( masterful hallucinations )
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14:00:14 <esolangs> [[Detour]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126322&oldid=126138 * TheFullestCircle * (-54) Looked at the help guide for writing articles and oops it turns out you're not supposed to do this
14:12:29 <esolangs> [[Philosophy Script]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126323&oldid=73691 * PrySigneToFry * (+6)
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14:24:02 <esolangs> [[Hanzifuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126325&oldid=126189 * PrySigneToFry * (+0)
14:25:13 <esolangs> [[Posthumousfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126326 * PrySigneToFry * (+2144) Created page with "Posthumousfuck is just Brainfuck with posthumous names as its code. == Command Table == {| class="wikitable" |+ Command Table |- ! Posthumousfuck !! Brainfuck |- | || > |- | || < |- | || + |- | || <nowiki>-</nowiki> |- | || , |- | || . |- | || [ |-
14:26:04 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126327&oldid=126324 * PrySigneToFry * (+21)
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15:12:32 <int-e> I saw "AGI" expanded as "A Guy in India" the other day and I laughed.
15:13:36 <int-e> Oh and I tried to google an RCS command today (how to forcefully unlock a file) and found instant messaging crap instead. SIGH.
15:16:55 <int-e> (The connection is that both of these are re-used TLAs)
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15:19:11 <int-e> Err, no, AGI isn't. At least not the way I imagined... I remixed AGP and PCI into AGI because port and interface are more or less interchangeable.
15:19:33 <int-e> There's the Sierra "Adventure Game Interpreter" but that's such a niche use.
15:39:07 <fizzie> I keep forgetting what the prposed SMS replacement (RCS) was, maybe I can use "like that old version control system" as a mnemonic.
15:39:26 <fizzie> (And then accidentally start talking about sending SCCS messages.)
15:42:36 <fizzie> Have there been any big snazzy new attempts at making a better version control system lately? Feels like Git, Mercurial, Bazaar, Darcs and Fossil are kind of all from around the same time.
15:45:39 <int-e> Hmm Darcs is a tad older; mercurial and git both go back to Linux being forced out of BitKeeper
15:45:56 <int-e> Anyway, not that I'm aware of.
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15:46:20 <fizzie> Maybe we (collectively, as a species) just got it right so there's no need to keep trying.
15:49:20 <int-e> "Yes you heathens can clone the last released version of BitKeeper from github.com"
15:51:05 <b_jonas> fizzie: no we haven't. I'm still waiting for scapegoat.
15:51:53 <int-e> would that enable blame-driven development
15:51:58 <b_jonas> subversion (svn) 1.5 was released in 2008-06 apparently
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16:48:25 <Guest80whomadege> Hey. Do any of you know get there?
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17:46:55 <b_jonas> fungot, would a dragon consider me a beer snack, or am I too fat for that and would have to be part of the dinner?
17:46:55 <fungot> b_jonas: in reference of i think it means
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18:19:43 <esolangs> [[Rotpai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126330&oldid=126329 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+187) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Rotpai programming language on GitHub and supplemented the Implemented category tag.
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19:26:54 <neitzel> hey guys, neitzel just made a J evaluator bot, and it has this mistake that everyone who makes an IRC bot does exactly once, where you can ask it to print a CR and it prints it literally to the IRC stream. try /msg neitzel jj somejexpression ; the result appears in channel #jsoftware.
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19:28:00 <b_jonas> also don't steal his nickserv account, that would be rude
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22:11:31 <esolangs> [[ZISC ultra]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126333&oldid=126332 * Joaozin003 * (-24) Improved cat program
22:18:48 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126334&oldid=126320 * Scudmaster11 * (+273) /* Introductions */
23:05:59 <esolangs> [[Indifferent]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126335 * Scudmaster11 * (+3752) Created page with "Indifferent (the lesser twin of of two "Flux and Indifferent" as Indifferent has less features compared to Flux {Indifferent code can work on a Flux interpreter but not the other way around} ) is a minimalistic approach for traditional control flow programming
23:09:44 <esolangs> [[Indifferent]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126336&oldid=126335 * Scudmaster11 * (+27)
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02:19:22 <zzo38> They make striped paper with holes with the left margin only, but do they make striped paper with holes and with double margins?
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05:14:02 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126354&oldid=126033 * EvyLah * (+377) Good luck if you run yes() with parameters
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06:40:08 <esolangs> [[Indifferent]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126357&oldid=126347 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-51) Add link, remove nonexistent categories
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06:43:44 <esolangs> [[Interfacefactory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126359&oldid=126314 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+79) Stub, categories
06:44:14 <esolangs> [[Interfacefactory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126360&oldid=126359 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+14) Lowercase
06:45:09 <esolangs> [[Interfacefactory]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126361&oldid=126360 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-4) Fix links
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12:08:46 <esolangs> [[Pointstack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126363&oldid=126241 * Catto.4 * (+12) clarified that , only takes one byte of input
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13:28:13 <esolangs> [[ZISC ultra]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126365&oldid=126364 * Joaozin003 * (+5) /* Cat program */
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15:14:49 <esolangs> [[User:YufangTSTSU/sandbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126367 * YufangTSTSU * (+1761) Created page with "{| class="wikitable" |- ! Flags !! None !! P-flag !! H-flag !! HP-flag !! Q-flag !! QP-flag !! QH-flag !! QHP-flag |- ! H | Outputs the cell at the pointer, and move the pointer to the right. | Outputs the cell at the pointer, and move the pointer
15:17:36 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126368 * PrySigneToFry * (+9215) Created page with " is Chinese [[Human Words]]. == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |+ Table |- ! !! Pseudo |- | <code><nowiki> [version] </nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>BEGIN [version]</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>exegesis</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki># exegesis</nowiki></co
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23:06:36 <esolangs> [[Acc!!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126372 * Dlosc * (+6408) Created page for Acc!!
23:23:16 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126373&oldid=126356 * Dlosc * (+23) Added Acc!!
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00:10:23 <esolangs> [[Acc!!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126374&oldid=126372 * Dlosc * (+17) Italicized name template
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00:21:59 <esolangs> [[User:Dlosc]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126375&oldid=89966 * Dlosc * (-49)
00:57:15 <esolangs> [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126376&oldid=126303 * Ais523 * (+69) Undo revision 126303 by [[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|PrySigneToFry]] ([[User talk:PrySigneToFry|talk]]) this doesn't need a template, and I preferred the way my username was before
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02:09:47 <esolangs> [[Pip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126377&oldid=88601 * Dlosc * (+18) Reworked resources section, deemphasized TIO, marked article as stub
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03:41:42 <esolangs> [[Acc!!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126378&oldid=126374 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+10) Italicise displayed title
03:42:50 <esolangs> [[99 (Esolang)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126379&oldid=82767 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+18) Italicise displayed title
03:50:01 <esolangs> [[ZISC ultra]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126380&oldid=126365 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+143) See also, categories
03:56:43 <esolangs> [[Pe]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126381&oldid=108094 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+9) Stub
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06:40:11 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126382&oldid=126373 * Ttulka * (+18) add Chickenfoot
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08:26:50 <esolangs> [[I fuck, you fuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126383&oldid=117045 * Cleverxia * (+3050)
08:29:59 <esolangs> [[Quinish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126384 * Cleverxia * (+290) Created page with "Quinish is an esolang where there are many quines. ==Syntax== The only syntax: <code>$...\</code>, marks a comment. They can't be nested. Any other characters prints itself. ==Examples== Hello world: Hello, World! [[Nope.]] intepreter Nope. [[APLWSI]] intepreter $
08:30:36 <esolangs> [[Quinish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126385&oldid=126384 * Cleverxia * (+80) /* Examples */
08:31:13 <esolangs> [[User:Cleverxia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126386&oldid=126214 * Cleverxia * (+50) /* Current Esolangs I've created */
09:01:22 <esolangs> [[AnyGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126387&oldid=126288 * Cleverxia * (+330) >..." duplicates P..."
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11:16:44 <esolangs> [[User:Flandre-chan]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126389 * Flandre-chan * (+321) Created page with "Hello, I'm Flandre-chan (not IRL name). I'm from Vietnam.<br> I enjoy programming and I found this wiki because I am curious about esoteric programming languages.<br> ==Other== ===Pronouns=== <code>he/him</code>, <code>they/them</code> is also OK. ===My Ac
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15:57:38 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * CrSb0001 * New user account
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17:48:20 <ais523> huh, I just received spam with an attachment that based on context is likely malicious, but it was a .z file
17:48:40 <ais523> (I didn't try to decompress it in case it's some sort of exploit against the decompressor)
17:49:06 <ais523> I imagine most spam recipients wouldn't actually know what to do with one of those even if they were planning to open it…
17:49:34 <ais523> (so maybe these spammers are targeting UNIX/Linux users? does Mac OS X come with compress(1)?)
18:00:25 <int-e> 7-zip can deal with that for example
18:00:54 <int-e> (gzip too but I assume you know that)
18:01:21 <int-e> winzip also does it. support for these ancient formats really is quite common
18:02:59 <ais523> right, it probably doesn't cost a compression tool much to support it
18:03:09 <ais523> other than maintenance, which might actually be the issue here
18:03:21 <ais523> I wonder if the typical Windows computer has a file association set up for it?
18:04:31 <int-e> I don't know. I imagine if you have either winzip or 7-zip installed then the answer is yes; maybe it's no out-of-the-box.
18:05:01 <int-e> I'm trying to stay as far away from Windows as I can while still playing some Windows-only games.
19:23:22 <b_jonas> ais5